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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is They call me Ben. You are you? And that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. As always,

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Speaker 1: we're joined with our super producer Tristan McNeil. Has it

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Speaker 1: always been like that, Rejoy? Is this like a Mandela

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Speaker 1: effect thing? That's exactly what it is? Times of Flat Circle. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I have a question. We we have talked about this

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Speaker 1: off air at length, but it's a it's a question.

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Speaker 1: I always love to ask people if you can have

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Speaker 1: three superpowers, what would they be? And here's why it's

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Speaker 1: three instead of one. Most people choose flying, and they

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Speaker 1: telekinesis or teleporting is clearly better than flying. I think so.

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Speaker 1: But for some people it's about the journey. But then

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Speaker 1: and and what happens if you go too fast and

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Speaker 1: to go out by rude running with a seagull. But anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are things to consider, So invisibility is always the

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Speaker 1: one I go to, uh, super strength and some kind

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Speaker 1: it's portrayed in like the Lord of the Rings. It's

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Speaker 1: it's practically a godlike power. You can you can totally

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Speaker 1: to be invisible to electronic uh surveillance methods as well, Right,

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Speaker 1: so maybe just all three are invisible to certain spectrums.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Yeah, I would want to be uh

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Speaker 1: I'd like to have some sort of shadow power. Wow,

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Speaker 1: like we're making super superheroes. Can you be more specific

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Speaker 1: about my shadow? Shadow powers are pretty obvious. You can

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Speaker 1: What about you know? Oh man, you guys are putting

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Speaker 1: are we are we talking like nightcrawler that can teleport

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Speaker 1: so he can teleport up to like two miles and

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Speaker 1: If I'm gonna if I'm gonna cut out the airport,

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Speaker 1: I need to be able to blip myself to New

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Speaker 1: yourself into objects. Well, that's what I'm saying, Like being

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Speaker 1: least like some monkeys paw business here, we really have

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Speaker 1: to like think out all the ramifications of these superpowers.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stick with that. So it's almost like

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Speaker 1: any like fallout teleportation. You don't want to accidentally all

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Speaker 1: just suck? And that's the story of me. No, No,

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Speaker 1: would you use Blip as your superhero name? I like blip.

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Speaker 1: I think it's cool, especially if that's the sound you make.

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Speaker 1: And I'll wear like a cool eighties like backwards hat

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Speaker 1: So often these powers that Matt mentions would come from

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Speaker 1: there's awful things happening in your life. Here are some

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Speaker 1: We'll give you some examples, but there are groups and

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Speaker 1: on a human body. There's too many spoons on my body.

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00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: It was fifty spoons. I guess he got the fifty one.

425
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he ran out a room and they told him

426
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: he couldn't you know, this is a family show, Well,

427
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: wasn't this on my body. Okay, well yeah, because they

428
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: don't say the size of the spoon. Is it a

429
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: regulation spoon? Yeah? Wasn't this somehow debunked though by Mr Randy?

430
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't see. See. I don't think the use of

431
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the word debunked is appropriate. This is like explained. I know.

432
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes a lot of people who consider themselves like Internet

433
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: expert skeptics love to think that they're debunking stuff. It's

434
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: like if you drive by a Blockbuster and it's closed.

435
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: You didn't debunk Blockbuster, it's just got open. Well, I guess, Okay,

436
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: so the right thing would be he showed that it

437
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: wasn't actually magnetism. Yeah, yeah, and and some people can

438
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: just like some people would say, yeah, he debunked the

439
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: claim because he said it's not magnetism, but the actual

440
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: thing is still happening, music, extraordinary thing happening. It turns

441
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: out that these people have very sticky skin, very different powers.

442
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: So basically like when I take a spoon and stick

443
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: it on my nose and I just hang it there. Yeah,

444
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: but with their whole body, so they have they're just damp.

445
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: They they have a higher, higher friction rate on their skins.

446
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: So one of the things. One of the big clues

447
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: that that's not really magnetism is first off, there's no

448
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: detectable magnetic field. And secondly, although metals the most popular

449
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: thing that's they stick to themselves. Other things like glass, porcelain,

450
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: would plastic brass. Uh, these things also stick to them.

451
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not they're not walking refrigerations. They

452
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: pull some like six Spiderman type tricks. You could get

453
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: as close to Spiderman as possible. Spiderman with the Christen

454
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: and Caroline, they're always like John Spiderman attorney it law.

455
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: So this this idea of um unusually frictive or sticky skin,

456
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I wonder if it would be possible

457
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: to do what you're saying to to increase the degree

458
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: of stickiness such that these people would be able to

459
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: support their own weight. And that's a really tall order.

460
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there are lizards they can do it, right,

461
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: So why not people? I say, just add syrup? Just yeah,

462
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: you gotta did. What happened? Did big Syrup get to you?

463
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: They really did? Yeah? Yeah? I mean what can I say? Man?

464
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: The Maple Group, I don't know what they're called. They

465
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: don't have business cards or something. You guys, we we

466
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: all went out for drinks a a week or so

467
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: ago and uh, nat tried to order syrup. They didn't

468
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: have it, said syrup straight up, come on the local.

469
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Then there was that one time we were out and

470
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: randomly these three Canadian dudes and suits with like black

471
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: cases came up and took Matt aside, and I had

472
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: to peek over it, and they had opened the case

473
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: and they were these three perfect bottles of maple syrup

474
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: is stuck in one of those like foam cut out

475
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: things in the perfect shape. And then they were gone,

476
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: and they had these they had these little leaf tattoos

477
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: right on the neck. You could just see. I had

478
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: them design the containers look just like the Secret of

479
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: the Use things. Oh yeah, Mutigen, Yeah yeah. Hey. Um Also, uh,

480
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: there are there are a lot of It turns out

481
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: there real superpowers that are kind of like in the

482
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: film Unbreakable. Uh, they're superpowers that are the opposite of

483
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: um genetic weakness. So we know, like color deficiency or

484
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: color blindness. That's the thing that happens red green color

485
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: blindness is the most common. It's generally in men. And

486
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: then you know they're less common ones relating to like

487
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: yellow and blue or complete color blindness, where everything is

488
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: just a noir film for the rest of your life.

489
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: And then there's some one on the other side. There

490
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: are people called tetra chromats. These people, who are overwhelmingly female,

491
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: appear to literally see more colors than most of humanity

492
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: ever will. What does that mean though? Are there more

493
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: colors than what? Are there a finite number of colors? Well,

494
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: they can differentiate, so it's probably something so like what

495
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: would be just regular old green to us? Is this

496
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: vast panopoly of strange visual delights? I don't know. Well,

497
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: according to you know, my Photoshop color wheel and all

498
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: the things that I ever deal with in color, there's

499
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: what about a million different shades and versions that I

500
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: can see you with my eye, But tetra chromats can

501
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: see up to what a hundred million, which again I

502
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: don't know how you even get down that deep into

503
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: the crevices between the color floding around in a psychedelic

504
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: dream at all times. I imagine that it's different, but

505
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: to them it's probably normal. So right, most people have

506
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: three cells or receptors in our retinas, but tetrachromats have

507
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: a fourth receptor, and that may be what allows for

508
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: their heightened color perception. It's also estimated that about twelve

509
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: of women in the world carry the gene for this

510
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: fourth receptor. It makes me think of like certain really

511
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: expensive cameras that have like bigger sensors or like you know,

512
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: more sensors or whatever. You can just do your equipment

513
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: allows you to take in more information. That's what it

514
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: means is the stuff is there. It's not like it's

515
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: we just can't see it right, right, right exactly. So

516
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: carrying the gene doesn't guarantee you wind up with supervision,

517
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: but those who have the gene and who are immersed

518
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: in a wide range of colors from a very young

519
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: age appear more likely to develop it. Researchers are still

520
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on with this, still

521
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: very early days and research here, so there aren't any

522
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: hard numbers on how it manifests itself. However, it's a

523
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: real thing, and if you are listening to this show,

524
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: you may very well carry this gene. And it's like,

525
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: my impulse is to be like, tell us what it's like,

526
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: sort of like asking a color blind person to describe

527
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: color but like the opposite or whatever. Yeah, it's tough.

528
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's cool, it's just how I

529
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: just you know, my day to day. Yeah, it's my

530
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: day to day. I don't know what you think blues

531
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: like it looks like Yeah, there's another one though, this

532
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: one is This one is crazy. This is perhaps one

533
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: of the most comic book style powers. Super strength, that's right,

534
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: genuine super strength. Where are you waving your fists at us? Man?

535
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: Because I have it? But aggression. That's why you spend

536
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: so much time being nice? Right, Yeah, I have to

537
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: be nice, wouldn't You wouldn't like that? An Uh? So

538
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: we hear about cases of hysterical strength so often, right,

539
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: A mother is lifting a car to rescue a kid,

540
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: and someone's like, hey, average person, average mom person, you

541
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: can't lift that corolla. I don't know. And this evidence

542
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: is almost always anecdotal, right, because it'd be really tough

543
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: to create an experiment where we just scare people and

544
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: see if they can lift cars. Well, yeah, and and

545
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: it could a lot of times. It's not as extreme

546
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: as a lifting an entire car, but something that you

547
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do physically, right, Right, So there's

548
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good example, or um, there's a pretty good

549
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: theory I should say about how hysterical strength could work.

550
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: And it all goes back to adrenaline. When adrenaline is

551
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: released by your adrenal medula and that's a interior region

552
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: of your adrenal glands, uh, it allows blood to flow

553
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: more easily to your muscles, which means more oxygen goes

554
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to your muscles, which means your muscles function and elevated levels.

555
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: Right and then when they are okay, So when you

556
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: are throwing a punch or lifting the Toyota Corolla to

557
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: save your kid or whatever, uh, or just lifting things normally,

558
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: your skeletal muscles, the ones that are attached your bones,

559
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: are activated by impulses from the nervous system. They contract,

560
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: they tighten, and adrenaline facilitates the conversion of your body's

561
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: fuel glycogen into its well the fuel source into the

562
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: actual fuel glycogen to glucose. So this gives extra energy

563
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: to your muscles. A sudden burst of glucose also allows

564
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: them to strengthen further for very short time, and it

565
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: also dampens your pain receptors a bit. So when you

566
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: are like Let's say in an adrenaline rage and lifting

567
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: something and you don't feel your muscles maybe somewhat breaking

568
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: in that moment. Yeah, maybe you'll pay for it later.

569
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: But that's only temporary super strength. It turns out that

570
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: the truth is stranger than the fiction. In this case,

571
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: there really is full time, permanent, for the rest of

572
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: your life super strength. So at five months old, this

573
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: fellow from Grand Rapids, Michigan named Liam Hookstraw pronouncing that

574
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: right uh, started doing an expert gymnast move called the

575
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: iron cross uh. And then by eight months old, Liam

576
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: could do a pull up, and by nine months he

577
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: could climb up and down airs. I am thirty four

578
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: and I so that is pretty cool. Um. So soon

579
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: the family thought what's going on here, likely figured they

580
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: should get it checked out, so they took them to

581
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: a specialist who diagnosed Liam with a rare condition that's

582
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: loosely called myostatin related muscle hypertrophy um. And that's according

583
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: to a report by the Associated Press. And then virtually

584
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: every animal on earth has a gene that produces a

585
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: muscle grown inhibiting protein called myostatin um, and high levels

586
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: of myostatin make it hard for the body to build muscle,

587
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: and low levels allow muscles to grow. So what's the

588
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: takeaway here, ben Oh, So that means that the gene

589
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: responsible for myostatin, if it's broken, then there's no limiting

590
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: of your muscle development uninhibited, just bp nous. So it's

591
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: not it's not a gene that is supposed to give

592
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: you super strength. It's a gene that's supposed to prevent

593
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: you from having super strength. And when it's broken, you

594
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: get more muscle essentially. So you may have seen this

595
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: before too. Uh Cows cattle, Yeah, there's a breed of

596
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: cattle called the Belgium Blue that all of them just

597
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: look ripped. They look like I don't know how you

598
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: would convince them to go to a slaughterhouse, you know,

599
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: they look like they could just stare you down. Do

600
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: you think they're delicious or I don't know. They might

601
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: not have marbling, you know, with like the little strands

602
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: of fat in there. Uh waigu, they are not. But

603
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: it's also this gene has also been found in mice.

604
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: There was another kid in Germany who was detected with

605
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: this ability earlier. The condition is so rare only a

606
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: few other cases have ever been found, So there's not

607
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: secretly some community of superpowered tank people. Yeah, just you

608
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: and brock Lesner. I guess yet at least well, there's

609
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: also so just a laundry list. A couple more here.

610
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: There's also synaesthesia, right, which we mentioned earlier. That is

611
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: where your sensory inputs for one sense get cross wired

612
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: or you know, they get somehow combined with a another

613
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: sensory input. So haven't you experienced that before? Yeah? Yeah,

614
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: So for like, in uh my case, a lot of

615
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: textures have colors and kind of shapes of their own

616
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: um and in other cases, so Vladimir Nabokov is phenomenal

617
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: writer who also had synesthesia, and his wife had synistasian

618
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: I think one of his kids at Sinnesstagian, and he

619
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: attempted to prove for him letters had colors and shape

620
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: or colors and textures, and he attempted to prove that

621
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: they were somehow accessing this greater truth. But it turns

622
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: out that his wife and his kid were both like,

623
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: uh no, dude, oh is not a blue silver? Oh?

624
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: They saw it indifferent? Yeah, They're like, oh is yellow?

625
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Why are you being an idiot? So this seems to

626
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: be individual, but it is a it is a legitimate

627
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: um cross century thing, and a lot of times people

628
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: have probably experienced it in childhood maybe or in other

629
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe under the influence of a psychotropic especially music, or

630
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: with music. Well, it's a thing that comes up often

631
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: with musicians and artists. In fact, um Mental Floss has

632
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: an article called twelve famous artists with synaesthesias. I'm just

633
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna rip this one real quick, just for your information.

634
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: We got Nabokov who wrote Lolita very well in on

635
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: author Tory Amos, who I was completely obsessed with when

636
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Um, We've got Jeffrey Rush, the

637
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: famous actor from Shine to Great film Not So Great

638
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Um, we got

639
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: Duke Ellington who was a fantastic bandleader and musician and

640
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: arranger and composer. Billy Joel who to funk it, We've

641
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: got dev Hines from um he was. He's in a

642
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: band called Blood Orange that's really really cool if you

643
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: guys haven't heard them, recommend that. And he has something

644
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: called chromasthesia, which is where you see sound as color,

645
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: interpret sound as visually very very cool and then rounded

646
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: out we have Ben Bowling of how stuff works and

647
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know slash car stuff

648
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: slash brain stuff synesthesia artists. Oh we oh that's very kind.

649
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: We do have a brain stuff video about synesthesis there

650
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: if someone's interested in learning it. But yeah, it's a

651
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. Another cool thing you can do this.

652
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: I wonder should we do sinnessesia an episode just on cinesia. Actually,

653
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: look about this article. Most of these artists had chromasthesia. Yeah,

654
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: so I can see that when you're a musician, that

655
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: kind of would be an interesting where you experience sound visually.

656
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: I could see that as being kind of would be

657
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: maddening at times, but I could see it as being

658
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: like a whole headspace to be in for like getting

659
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: there creatively. It would predispose you to pursue music, I think.

660
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: And then also, uh, if some people's voices might just

661
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: be ugly to you, so you might not be able

662
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: to talk to certain people. Chase the good notes because

663
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: they're the colors that are totally you're it enhances the

664
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: muse thing. But then I think you're right, Ben, it

665
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: also enhances whatever the dark side of it is. Literally

666
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: be like please stop talking, please please, You're ugly. Ugly

667
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: is blinding me? Uh. There's also this is this one

668
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: is this will be one of the last ones for

669
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: this purpose. Closest thing I think to a true, true

670
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: superpower that's in this list, more so than super strength.

671
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: Temperature control yes really yeah, as a survival mechanism, I

672
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, it was um Houdini able to do this?

673
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Did I make that up? I wouldn't be surprised if

674
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: he was, and I haven't confirmed that, but it is.

675
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: It is possible for people to learn to control their

676
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: um the autopilot functions that your body usually has. You

677
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: know there There are probably not many people who can

678
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: or would purposefully stop their hearts unaided through meditation alone,

679
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: but there are people who are able to raise or

680
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: lower their functioning body temperature. Buddhist monks do this. You

681
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: can see multiple video studies where they're in a cold

682
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: room with an ice ice blanket placed over them and

683
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: they just steam it off through a practice called tom

684
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: oh I want to say trump essentially through meditation just centering,

685
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: so like getting so focused on it, I was totally

686
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: wrong about who do you need? By the way, just

687
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: putting out there maybe just maybe he just didn't tell anybody. Yeah,

688
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: but there's a European named wim Hoff who learned uh

689
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: these techniques and applied his own interpretation of them, and

690
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: now he holds twenty six world records because he has

691
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: a superhuman ability to withstand extreme cold. And he says

692
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: that through breathing exercises, he turns up his inner thermostat.

693
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: He is able to climb up places like Everest just

694
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: wearing shorts and shoes. Everest is very cold if you're

695
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: familiar with it. Um known as the Iceman. Yeah, and

696
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: a in a burst of creativity, he calls himself the

697
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: ice Man. But you can see his numerous world records

698
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: and this. I don't know what's your favorite power so far,

699
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: you guys, of the ones on the list. I honestly,

700
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: I think this is mine because one of the one

701
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: of the longest things humans have had to fight against

702
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: is the winter and the cold and being able to

703
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how long he can withstand it.

704
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: It seems like a long period of time if he

705
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: can get up kill him in Jaro, uh using these

706
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: techniques and staying warm uh swimming. I saw a video

707
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: of him swimming just in the ice water, and he's

708
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it's all good at going for temperature control. Honestly,

709
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: not the hothead, Frederick. I just think it's the best,

710
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: more so than super strength. Yeah, because muscles, you know,

711
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: they're fine, they're kind of gross. What about you know

712
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: I could see you as a Sinsatia fan. Yeah, I

713
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's hard to know whether it

714
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: would be cool or not. Experience it might be you know,

715
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: it might be like a double edged sword, right like

716
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, I'm this like genius composer, but

717
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: I wish it would stop, you know, it seems interesting.

718
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, Like, I think I'm with Matt

719
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: on the the body temperature one that certainly is a functional.

720
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'm switching mind. Then I'm I'm going to

721
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: serup skin. That's my favorite stick stick sticky body, sticky crane.

722
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Then, I don't have to really wear clothes.

723
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: I can just get objects and apply them to myself

724
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: in various strategic whatever you need clothes, you'll just roll

725
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: around on something. Oh yeah, we're good to go. Well, uh,

726
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: in case you don't, I don't want you to feel

727
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: like you have to give your final answer now, because

728
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: there are a few more things and some interesting developments

729
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: in the near future, which we'll learn about after a

730
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. So far, our

731
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: journey into the world of extraordinary superpowers or semi supernatural

732
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: seeming abilities has has been pretty pretty fun, you know,

733
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: kind of lighthearted. We haven't run into any real danger here, no,

734
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: and it's all well, mostly it's been natural abilities that

735
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: have been found in people, right, yeah, yeah, and it

736
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: shows us a little bit about the scale and the

737
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: scope of the human genome. Right. We still have no

738
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: idea what other stuff could be out there, but this show,

739
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: being the type of show it is, of course, we

740
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: do have a turn. There is some stuff they don't

741
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: want you to know, and they, in this case are

742
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: various organizations that we mentioned in the top. The big

743
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: question here is what if someone decided to stop waiting

744
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: on the genetic lottery, the infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters

745
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: just sort of plucking away until they make poetry and Shakespeare.

746
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: What if someone's decided to stop waiting for accidents and

747
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: started creating superpowers and humans through technology. You mean, just

748
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: through technology. Uh, and a possible lack of ethics. Right, Yeah,

749
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: human experimentation and then possibly covering it up. Right. We've

750
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: talked about DARPA projects in the past, including transcranial direct

751
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: current simulation, alteration of sleep patterns, and a couple of

752
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: other things by feedback experiments creating cybernetic implants or the

753
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: exploration of quote unquote wet wear stuff like that. Uh,

754
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: it's possible, but that's something that most people know about

755
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: and that or most people are somewhat aware of and

756
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: doesn't seem too terrible, right, But there's something else there.

757
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: It turns out that there are prevalent worries that private

758
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: entities may be attempting to control genes and genetic expressions,

759
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: one which would be, for instance, an immunity to pain. Yeah,

760
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna use it, nol. This is fascinating.

761
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: I saw a video on YouTube not too long ago

762
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: about a gentleman who has this genetic condition, and it

763
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: has upsides and downsides to it. It appears the big

764
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: upside is that you can't feel pain, or you feel

765
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: pain to a much lesser degree than any normal person

766
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: walking around would, so you could perhaps persist long after

767
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: at an activity, long after a pain threshold would have

768
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: been reached by another person. Yeah, because pain is really

769
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: just your body telling you, hey, don't do this, or

770
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: get away from there, or you know, there's danger right now.

771
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: I have a friend who I grew up with who

772
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: had a condition called spina bifida has and he couldn't

773
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: feel had had some extremities that he had a feeling in,

774
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: and so it ended up happening. Sometimes he would get

775
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: a cut or something like that and he wouldn't notice it,

776
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: and over time, if he didn't pay attention to it,

777
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: it could be problematic. Right, Yeah, So it's like, you know,

778
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: you think the idea of not feeling pain is super cool,

779
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: but it could be a liability to write no pain

780
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: is a survival mechanism. We would probably not be here

781
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: if we could not have something to tell us that

782
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: fire is hot. Yeah, exactly. And in this case, we're

783
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: dealing with a mutation in the gene l r P five.

784
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: If you're writing these down, make sure you're keeping track.

785
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: There will be a quiz at the end on the genes.

786
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: It's oh no, they we're doing a gene quiz. It

787
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: might be okay, you know, we'll play it by here.

788
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: We we don't want the rules of our show to

789
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: be as rigid as the bones of this clan. Oh.

790
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was worth an Oh that

791
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: was where they nod that we are keeping the conversation moving.

792
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: Uh so, yes, it's it's absolutely true. This this gene

793
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: has been isolated. It has been found. We have traced

794
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: the source of ni unbreakable bones. There's another gene for

795
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: a what's called a super sleeper mutation. Imagine if you

796
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: could just sleep four hours a night for the rest

797
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: of your life, and you would feel great better. In fact,

798
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: that people who got their solid eight to ten. There's

799
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: a group of people they're called short sleepers, and scientists

800
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: are only recently uncovering what makes them this way. It

801
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: turns out it's a gene called h D e C two.

802
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: For the most part, researchers believe these are connected to

803
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: specific genetic mutations, and the one that we just shouted out,

804
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: h D e C two is only one of the

805
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: genes that they have gone public with. So there are

806
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: other ones that are currently classified research. And just like

807
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: we mentioned with tetra cramats, there are also super tasters

808
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: man I was just about to plug our buddies Will

809
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: and Mangesh from Part Time Genius. They have an episode

810
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: on sleep where they talk about Margaret Thatcher and her

811
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, infamous ability to sleep very very little. Um.

812
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: But there was another episode they did where Jerry, our

813
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: mysterious boss and producer of Stuff you Should Know, and

814
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: myself joined Will and Mango in the studio to take

815
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: a test to see if we were super tasters. It

816
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: involved putting this little piece of paper in our mouths

817
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 1: and if you were a super taster, it would taste

818
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: really bitter, and if you weren't, it would just taste

819
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: like nothing. And Jerry's a super taster, you no way

820
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: really bitter? Wow, Well, so we have a superpowered individual

821
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: in our midst. Did they tell you it was supposed

822
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: to be better before the test? See? Now, they shouldn't

823
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: have done that. They should have given you the no. No, no,

824
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I wanted it. I mean the way that she described

825
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: it was like WHOA like big time Like I I

826
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: in my mind was like maybe it's a little bitter.

827
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: That was my placebo effect kicking in. But for her,

828
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: she was like, you guys, this tastes like grapefruit. Like,

829
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: here's another here's another genetic predisposition that maybe a world changer,

830
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: and let's let's hope that the right researchers get ahold

831
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: of it are allowed to work with it. Cancer immunity.

832
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: In Ecuador, there was a group of people who are

833
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: called the Lauron Dwarves l A r O n uh.

834
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: They appear corned all the researchers to be immune to cancer, diabetes,

835
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 1: and a couple of other diseases. Um. This the people

836
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: who suffer this syndrome and also have this immunity have

837
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: a lack of hormone called i g F one, and

838
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: scientists are hoping that they can develop a drug that

839
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: will mimic the you know, the good parts of this

840
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: genetic defect, and the people who inherit the defect are perfect,

841
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: like in perfect human proportions. However, they only grow to

842
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: an average height of four feet uh. And they're about

843
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: three hundred people in the world who have this condition,

844
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: which is known as Lettle and dwarfism uh and a

845
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: third of them live in remote villages in Ecuador southern

846
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: Lo Hub proference. So in this case, i g F

847
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: one is this blessing and a curse because it seems

848
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: like the lack of it is what causes the growth

849
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: or the lack of growth in in height, but it's

850
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: also the thing that's preventing them from getting these terrible

851
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: diseases not having it. Yeah. I g F stands for

852
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: insulin like growth factor one, and it's uh, this is

853
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: the stuff that simulates a cell to grow and divide.

854
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: If you're an ordinary person, you have too much of

855
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: this hormone, you can develop prostate, breast, or bowel cancer

856
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: early in your childhood. So it's a it's a good question,

857
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, would you what would you do to prevent

858
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: somebody from like your child, from gaining getting cancer? Yeah,

859
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: I know, like what consequences would you take? Right? Also,

860
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: what would you do if you were a private corporation

861
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: of pharmaceutical or something to control access to this. The

862
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: privatization and for profit deployment of genetic therapy is a

863
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: huge concern and it may be very very big news

864
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: in the next few years. Have you heard of something

865
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: called gene doping? Well, yeah, so, I mean it's it's

866
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: basically a hypothetical, non therapeutic use of gene therapy by athletes,

867
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: and the purpose is to gain the upper hand over

868
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: their opponents in terms of their performance in particular sporting events, um,

869
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: most of which all of which I would say prohibit

870
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: such applications of genetic modification. I mean, it's essentially they

871
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: call it doping because the doping is is referring to

872
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: taking performance enhancing drugs. This is just kind of a

873
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: cooler science ere you know, version of that. Yeah, And

874
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: as of as of April fifteen, at least, there's no

875
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: hard evidence that gene doping has been used for performance

876
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: enhancement yet. But that data is from two years ago,

877
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: more than two years ago, now, So what else could

878
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: have happened? Would do you think it be harder or

879
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: easier to detect? Even? Like, how would you even like

880
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: screen for it in the way that you would like

881
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: with a blood or you're in test for you know,

882
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: steroids or human growth horn owners. That's true, And I

883
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: also wonder when it comes to this expression, how one

884
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: would do it in a an adult person? You know

885
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because for me, I always I had

886
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: always thought of genetic modification is something that occurs in

887
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: utero early on before you become a human. We talked

888
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: about this, I think over drinks one night with my

889
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: my roommate Frank, where you know, there was a thing

890
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: I read where UM researchers were able to encode a

891
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: gift of a galloping horse into a sequence of d

892
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: n A And what resulted from that was this notion

893
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: that we can theoretically store electronic information in our genet right,

894
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: but how do you how do you do that? How

895
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: do you add it in? And the thing that we

896
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: came up with was, well, maybe you have to inject

897
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: it into your stem cells and then it propagates throughout

898
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: your entire code. I guess I don't know scientists, lab

899
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: rats talk to us. Uh yeah, so yeah, that's I

900
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: really appreciate you bringing up that conversation because that is

901
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: all true. It is phenomenal. This is what a time

902
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: to be a live type stuff. Gene doping would involve

903
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: the use of gene transfer to increase or decrease expression

904
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: and biosynthesis of specific proteins. Uh. Reporting to the latest theories,

905
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: This could be done by and directly injecting a gene

906
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: carrier into a person, or by taking cells from a person,

907
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: transforming those cells, and then sending them back to the person.

908
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: So there would be like no uh, potential for rejection

909
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: or something for form cell. We have some examples of

910
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: this too, i'm and we'll group them by how they

911
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: might affect performance. So first there would be the skeletal enhancement.

912
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: Alpha acting in three is found only in skeletal muscles

913
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: in humans, and it has a different what's called polymorphism

914
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: in world class athletes in comparison to normal people. So

915
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: one form causes the gene to make protein and it's

916
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: found in sprinters and it's related to increased power. And

917
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: there's another form that causes the gene to make less

918
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: protein and it's found in endurance athletes. So we could say,

919
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna make Tristan mcneiol the world class sprinter,

920
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: so let's inject him with this form. Have you seen

921
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: the boy run? I don't think he's good. He's a gazelle.

922
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: He is like a cheetah mixed with a gazelle grace. Yeah,

923
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: just springing across the tundra. There's this slide the savannah

924
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: wherever gazelle's spring, he's smelt. He's like smiling and nodding,

925
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: but it's like a mischievous Yeah, it's very much like

926
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: a Michael Douglas and falling down smile. Uh, I found

927
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: out today a mutual coworker of ours don't have to

928
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: go too off trail father in law, old buddies with

929
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas. Whoa huh, that's our boy and dog. Leave

930
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: it at that. Oh, you have to go to the

931
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: ant Man set and watch the part where he was filming,

932
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: the part where he looks young and like he said,

933
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: they shot it with him and then with a younger

934
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: actor that looked a lot like him, and they did

935
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: the exact same moves and they somehow like comped them together,

936
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: like with the body or whatever to like I don't

937
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: know exactly. You know, there's the movie stuff these days

938
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: that's going over my head. That's what that sound is.

939
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, regular topic powers would also be fished, but

940
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: they're technologically driven, you know. I think in the comics

941
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: there's a temporary time where for some reason he finds

942
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: out he's been exposed to pim particles so much that

943
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: he can just change without the suit. But let's be

944
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: realistic in our comic books. God, you know what a

945
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: good drink is underrated? Sim's cup, a pim's cup. I've

946
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: never had one. Because of my aversion to touching metal refreshing.

947
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: What no, why do you have to do? Don't they

948
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: have to come in a metal cup? Moscow mule, that's

949
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: a moscow mule another thing I will never drink. Uh,

950
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: So the imagine that's that's pretty crazy. To increase that uh,

951
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: that running power in one of two ways or what have?

952
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: You do it in both ways? You mean just switch

953
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: it back and forth. Yeah, whenever you want it to.

954
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: It might be consequences. So just shoot yourself in the

955
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: thigh or the base your spine when it's time for

956
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: a sprint at the end of your marathon. Couldn't there

957
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: just be like a capsule you bite down on. Yeah,

958
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: I like this idea. Anything you want, guys, Thanks Matt. Uh.

959
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: There's also we mentioned myostatin UH deficiency that would enhance

960
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: your musculature. There's a specific kind of glycoprotein that can

961
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: act as a hormone controlling your red blood cell production

962
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: and uh. This glycoprotein, specifically arithro poet in or e

963
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: p O, has already been injected as a performing performance

964
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: enhancing substance for many years. What it does is it

965
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: since it increases the production of red blood cells. It

966
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: means that you get more oxygen available to your muscles,

967
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: which means that you experience fatigue in a different way.

968
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: Your endurance is getting pumped up. Jeez, well we you

969
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: know we do want to pump pumping up. Here's a

970
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: scary one. There are proteins that could affect not just

971
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: your physical attributes, but your mental attributes. So imagine gene

972
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: doping that effects your psychology pain perception. Right, someone is

973
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: a a rugby player, like I don't want to feel

974
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: any pain what I'm rugby, Yeah, you'd be a super

975
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: rug or perhaps a cricket player wielding a wicket. You

976
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: could do whield wickets. Maybe that's to we opens. I

977
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: learned about cricket recently, um for a for work thing.

978
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: But I'm probably never going to be a world class

979
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: cricket player unless I douat myself up with all four

980
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: of those things we mentioned before, just like a fistful

981
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: of needles. Sam. Yeah, and if I survived the stabs,

982
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: then uh then I'm gonna take over the world of cricket.

983
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: The point of this, and we do hope you've enjoyed

984
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: the episode so far, is that as fantastic and fictional

985
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: and and sci fi esque as these may seem, there

986
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: are not only genuine extraordinary human abilities, but there are

987
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: groups that are working to further these abilities, to turn

988
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: them into a profitable enterprise. And look, we're not automatically

989
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: saying that's bad. I do think personally that it's dangerous,

990
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: but that's my opinion. But then we ask the question,

991
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, what if the profit motive is the only

992
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: way these things become available? Right? What if there're It's

993
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: sort of weird because I don't want to paint a

994
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: false psychotomy, but who would you rather, uh be the

995
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: person controlling super genetic super strength. Would it be a

996
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: military that is making soldiers? Would it be you know,

997
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: fiser or something that it's like with a military allow

998
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: that happens behind closed doors and relatively low oversight from

999
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: the public. I mean, if if any at all, right,

1000
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: you're talking black budget stuff there totally. It's like the

1001
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: thing in the Wolverine movie, the really depressive one. Yeah,

1002
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean I don't give anything away, but there's that's

1003
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: definitely a big and specifically you know, with kids, and

1004
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: it's it's the way they portray it. It's super dark

1005
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: and super like, Wow, we really let this thing get

1006
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: out of hand and now it's coming back to on

1007
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, you know. But yeah, there's a

1008
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of ethical questions involved in this stuff, right, But

1009
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: like you're saying, I guess with the company like Fiser,

1010
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: at least there is the sense of oversight. But it's

1011
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: so great and yeah, and it's dangerous too. You know.

1012
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: It's like the argument we uh, we hear a lot

1013
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: in various correspondencies on the internet. You know, a lot

1014
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: of folks tell us in reference to pharmaceutical companies that

1015
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: these companies are not seeking a cure. Why would they

1016
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: put themselves out of business there instead building a service

1017
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: model based on making somebody take a regiment of pills

1018
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: on a regular basis for the rest of their life.

1019
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that's spot on. And if that pill can

1020
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: make you need to take another pill because of side effects,

1021
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: then all too so this is, uh, that's something we

1022
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: should also explore. Yeah, it seems like you're pretty convinced

1023
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, I don't know exactly to what extent,

1024
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: but it certainly seems like cure research has to be

1025
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: much more like privately funded or and it's it's a

1026
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: lot harder to get that kind of research funded than

1027
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: it is to get funding for something that's like a

1028
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: sure thing that we know will make Yeah, that's a

1029
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: good point. There are a lot of diseases that persist

1030
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: because there's done a profit incentive too combat them, you know,

1031
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: But but the research does continue, and for the record,

1032
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: malaria is dwindling. Now well that's cool. Yeah, just for

1033
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: the record, I can't imagine large governments, especially those with

1034
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: armies that heavily rely on skilled human beings. I don't

1035
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: see why any one of those would not be at

1036
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,959
Speaker 1: least trying some kind of genetic enhancement research. Oh. Also,

1037
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: I just remembered we asked Matt to have a superhero alias, right, um,

1038
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: and I think the closest we came organically with Sticky Matt.

1039
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: Um that was closed. I don't know if you want

1040
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: to be Sticky Mat. I think serrup skin works or

1041
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: um the serrup snake, this syrups syrupy snake. That's pretty good.

1042
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: The syrupy snakes blip versus the syrupy snake. Yeah no, no,

1043
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: we'd be that does sound kind of evil if you're

1044
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: the snake. Yeahs, do you spit maple syrup? Like you do.

1045
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: Or you could be it just gets you real sticky people.

1046
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: You could also be like the syrup ferret. That's also

1047
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: a sort of serpentine but less Well, if if Zippy

1048
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: Tristan over here was running after you, you could spit

1049
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: maple syrup on his feet and slow him down. Here

1050
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, okay, so you're the speedster. You can teleport.

1051
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm pointing at people now. Sorry, I just realized I

1052
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: forgot that they can't shadow demon. I'm fine with that. Look,

1053
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: I think shadow Powers is creative. I was going for creativity,

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Speaker 1: just throwing this in their shadow Demon I believe is

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Speaker 1: a five six flyer for six man. Is this a

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Speaker 1: magic reference? Is that good? Is any of what he

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Speaker 1: said good? That? Well, if it's good, then that's fine.

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Speaker 1: That'll I'll be a shadow demon perfect. Alright, Well, I

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Speaker 1: wish it was a better name. But uh, but we

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode and it is time for

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Speaker 1: good at corner. Our first shout out goes to Matt.

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: Matt listened to an episode that we just released around

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Speaker 1: the times of our birthdays in August, and he says,

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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: I just listened to how may I help you? The

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Speaker 1: episode and although the episode and acting inside was fantastic,

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Speaker 1: how dare you leave your listeners hanging like that? Just kidding?

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Speaker 1: L O L I loved it. Even though I look

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Speaker 1: forward to learning each week about all the topics you

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Speaker 1: guys cover, this was a nice break, incredibly entertaining and

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Speaker 1: downright hilarious at times. Wow, thank you, Matt. That's very kind.

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Speaker 1: I hope this will become a regular addition to the show.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work, guys, and Matt says. Ps Us,

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Speaker 1: if the title didn't give it away, I am a Canadian,

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Speaker 1: l O l oh. The title is know what the

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Speaker 1: h e? Double hockey sticks? Uh? Well, first, thanks for writings.

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Speaker 1: Is this such a tremendous compliment? I was Nolan. I

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 1: were looking each other waiting to see what the plot twist?

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Speaker 1: Would you know the plot twist? What was your dramatic reading? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: The plot twist is that he hopes that it will

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Speaker 1: become a regular addition to our show. We have to

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Speaker 1: give producer Alex some serious props for that one. I

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01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: don't think we we we gave him his due in

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Speaker 1: the actual episode because he not only did like the

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Speaker 1: sound design and all the cool stuff, he like that

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Speaker 1: song at the end he like from scratch and that's

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Speaker 1: so Tarantino, so cool, and it even has the lyrics

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Speaker 1: that like match the theme of the episodes. It's great.

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Speaker 1: You guys haven't listened to that one, or if you

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Speaker 1: skipped over it because you were like, this is weird,

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Speaker 1: it's trust me, it's fun at least at the art

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Speaker 1: of fun. My only regret is that we we didn't

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Speaker 1: get to hear inside the episode how Tristan really feels

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Speaker 1: about you, Ben, because we got it on an audio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess we can play the outtake. Thanks Uncle Roy,

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Speaker 1: back to work, then, love you. That's a real got

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Speaker 1: do we have that that that clip is too good?

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Speaker 1: I love you too, So we have rewrites. Thanks so,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. We uh, we really enjoyed doing

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Speaker 1: this sort of stuff and it's it's a treat for

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Speaker 1: us as well. It does take a little bit more time,

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in post production to make it

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Speaker 1: sound good. You're lucky enough to have a cool crew

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01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 1: that was into, you know, doing it, and you surprised

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Speaker 1: us with that. I don't know if we mentioned that

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: either you like had written this thing and surprised us

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Speaker 1: with a fancy table read and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it came out really great and I'm pretty excited. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's here's the next time it. Stay tuned for all

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Speaker 1: Hallow's Eve perhaps Okay, okay, Then next shout out is

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Speaker 1: from Paul says, good day, gentlemen. I hope you are

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Speaker 1: all well. I've been an avid listener for several years

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Speaker 1: now and have really enjoyed listening to your interviews and analysis.

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Speaker 1: I don't usually this is me Noel talking. I don't

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Speaker 1: usually read the accolades here, but I want to read

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Speaker 1: it so because it sets up what's to come. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can't speak highly enough of your podcast. I was

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Speaker 1: therefore not very impressed with your recent podcast on Bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: I've been a Bigfoot fansince as long as I can remember,

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Speaker 1: so I couldn't wait to hear the podcast on the

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Speaker 1: train on the way to work last week. I was

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01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 1: therefore expecting some groundbreaking news videos still pictures, but alas

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. I'm gonna skip some of this, uh this

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Speaker 1: stomping on our big Foot episode, just to get to

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Speaker 1: the part that I thought was actually interesting. I think

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Speaker 1: this Holy Email is interesting. I understand it is a

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Speaker 1: little bit longer. Uh, and I do want to point

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Speaker 1: out that I love that you said stomping on our

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Speaker 1: big Foot episode of stomping on our big So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get to the part that I thought was most interesting,

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Speaker 1: but alas absolutely nothing. Then there was the issue of population.

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01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: I believe the figure quoted was already thousand. But then

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Speaker 1: later David Bakara, our guest, went on to say that

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Speaker 1: they were from another dimension. They can't be flesh and

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Speaker 1: blood in one sentence and then invisible interdimensional in the next.

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Speaker 1: It's too confusing. I could be swayed one way or

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Speaker 1: the other, but both. I could go on ranting and

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Speaker 1: pointing out in consistencies, but I'll stop here. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then he says, nothing against you, guys, but you need

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01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: to ask your guests some tougher questions. Otherwise, if we

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Speaker 1: follow David Bakar's logic, we can blame everything Jfkin, eleven,

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Speaker 1: ufom On, Santa, New World Worder, etcetera. On the magical elves.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the good work and ask the hard questions.

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: You never know you might end up with an exclusive

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Speaker 1: piece of evidence as opposed to blaming fairy folk. Best regards, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: it was just harsh but fair, um to. In our defense,

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: the fairy stuff and the interdimensional stuff was sort of

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Speaker 1: the thought experiment, and it was kind of like the

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Speaker 1: way we approached it as far as I the way

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: I approached it was, that's an interesting thing to think about.

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01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: Why are they so elusive? Perhaps, and there's a lot

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: of accounts of them shimmering out and you know, doing

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01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: these kind of like predator invisibility kind of stuff. Right.

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I never really said that I was

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: fully on board with it, but I enjoyed talking about

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Speaker 1: this stuff, even if it's not like the most obvious solution.

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01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: So that's what an interview is a lot of times,

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of just going down rabbit holes with people.

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Speaker 1: And I felt like we asked good questions and that

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Speaker 1: we you know, went explored various aspects of the Bigfoot phenomenon. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's weird that interview we were going, we're going right

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Speaker 1: up against one of the tenants of our show, which

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: is not to tell anybody what to believe, right, And

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Speaker 1: if we're going to go right right ahead and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we don't believe you, David or we don't believe this.

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: I think that's doing a disservice to everybody listening. So

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Speaker 1: I do remember I felt we you remiss if we

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Speaker 1: didn't say, all right, if there's a creature this large,

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: why aren't there any bodies? Why isn't there any fecal matter?

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Speaker 1: You know, guerrillas other large primates often build nest where

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Speaker 1: the where are where the h e double hockey sticks

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Speaker 1: are those? And that was part of the question and

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Speaker 1: prompted that prompted this proposition of as some sort of

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Speaker 1: extra dimensional entity, which is just not not doing it

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Speaker 1: for me. There's not even there's not a shred of

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Speaker 1: corroborating evidence. But um, but I will point out also

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Speaker 1: that our the person we interviewed, David bick Era, I believe,

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Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, at some point he said he

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Speaker 1: didn't want people to find Bigfoot. Isn't that the thing

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Speaker 1: that he mentioned? So he has some he he does

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Speaker 1: have some. Uh. I appreciate you pointing this out, poll

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Speaker 1: because I clocked it too. He does have some seemingly

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: self contradicting theories about and I think he just going

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Speaker 1: through and considering each of them out loud. But you

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Speaker 1: know what if it turns out the Bigfoot is some

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Speaker 1: sort of extra dimensional entity. I will um, I will

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Speaker 1: apologize publicly. I will eat a hat, um, I will

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Speaker 1: wear a stupid costume for a year in this dimension

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01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: or the next. You know, it's the least I can do.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be uh, I'd rather learn the truth than

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: feel like I am always right. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: But I will be really surprised and just give you

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Speaker 1: really surprised um. And if you guys have not checked

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01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: out that interview yet, please do give it a listen.

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Speaker 1: We we we found some really cool stuff and the

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Speaker 1: guy has an encyclopediac knowledge of uh Bigfoot encounter stories.

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Speaker 1: You know? All right, we have one more shout out today.

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Speaker 1: It is from Camilla. Camilla says, Hey, guys, I'm a

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Speaker 1: little elait to this, but I just dis convert your podcast.

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Speaker 1: So I've been listening to a lot of past episodes

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Speaker 1: at work, but I think I have a good explanation

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Speaker 1: for what a kitten whisper is from my own personal

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Speaker 1: experience with kittens. Yeah, who shows this? Was that in

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Speaker 1: our drug episode or something? Or weird? Wasn't that like

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Speaker 1: a slang for copping some kind of drug we went.

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Speaker 1: It was a it was a huge list, and at

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Speaker 1: the end kitten whisper was there. We decided that was

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Speaker 1: our favorite because when I first saw this email, I

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Speaker 1: was like, does she mean kitten whisperer? Yeah? No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: kitten whisper, that sweet kitten whisper. So I'm sorry, Ben

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Speaker 1: carry so well. Thank you to Deep Cut. That is

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Speaker 1: thank you. THO was deeper than I had. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: sure what a kitten whisper was as we were reading this,

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Speaker 1: so Camilla is helping us out. She says, I think

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Speaker 1: I have a good explanation for what a kitten whisper

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Speaker 1: is from my own personal experience with kittens. I think

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Speaker 1: a kitten whispers when they sniff your ear and you

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Speaker 1: can hear the little adorable sniffles. Thanks for keeping me

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Speaker 1: entertained at work. Okay, Okay, so maybe not a drug.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the little sniffles, or maybe it's opium. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Camilla Paul, and that this

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Speaker 1: concludes our If you want to be like Camilla, Paul

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Speaker 1: and Matt and write to us, you can find us

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Speaker 1: with us on Instagram Conspiracy Stuff Show, and we especially

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you if you have any stories

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Speaker 1: about superpowers in your family's genetics. Perhaps, oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the business. Oh yeah, anything you've encountered of it.

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01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: Strangely that maybe you're a geneticist and you want to

1231
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: clarify some things with us. You want to slap us

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