WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Gate II 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:08.760 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.040 Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.800 My regular co host Joe McCormick is on holiday leave 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.439 this week, so for this episode, I'm joined once more 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.440 by my friend and fellow podcaster, David Streepy, the co 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.480 host of the podcast, talking tofu. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:31.000 Hey, Hi, thanks Rob, Sorry I missed you again, Joe, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.400 and hello again to the stuffies. It's good to see 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.560 you all, because I can't I can see you all. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.240 So during October of last year, you came on the 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.000 show to discuss the nineteen eighty seven kid centric horror 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.440 film The Gate, and we were talking about, well, what 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.360 films shall we do this time? And of course, right 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.040 there staring back at us was the possibility of doing 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.280 the nineteen ninety sequel, The Gate to aka Gate to 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:04.200 the Trustpath also Gate two, Return of the Nightmare. I 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.080 don't know, neither of those titles really sounds authentic. They 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.760 both sound like they're they're they're potentially better suited for 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:12.520 another movie. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.680 Yeah, I think, you know, classifying The Gate one as 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:24.039 kid centric is a really appropriate way to capture what 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.039 makes it kind of I mean, let's let's be honest, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.920 it's it struggles as a movie, but it has some 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.720 charm in that charm is largely in the kidness of it. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:38.319 I think Gate two does grow up a little bit 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.840 because it is more about teenage fantasies. But yeah, I 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.280 don't think I think Trespassers is maybe appropriate because I 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.000 think that is kind of what and I'm doing a 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.600 lot of the work here connecting these dots. I think 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.400 that's what kicks off a lot of the events in 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.800 the movie. But return to the Nightmare doesn't really match 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:01.720 to me because I don't know they they brought it 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.640 on themselves, you know. Yeah, so, which is a very 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.520 teenage thing to do. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.360 Yeah, basically, we in this film, we're gonna follow Terry 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.560 from the first film, and due to some situations we'll 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.799 get into, he's decided, you know, I'm older, I'm wiser now, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.960 I'm probably as wise as I'm going to get, like 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.320 peak wiseness. I think I can do this dark sorcery 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.040 thing again and do it right this time and greatly 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.520 benefit from the match. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.359 Yeah, and it is a very teen hubris of I 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.320 can do this. I've got this figured out, and yeah, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.520 we'll get into it, but the degree to which he 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.560 technically seems to have it figured out is one thing, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.600 and the degree to which he knows what he's getting 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.320 into is kind of a different matter altogether. I do 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.120 want to say that Gate two, like just calling it 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.639 Gate to not the Gate too or anything like that, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:57.079 really leans into the cultiness of it, which it kind 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.280 of self proclaims. Gate want the Gate as a cult success. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.440 I have no idea whether it was or not at 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.600 the time, but this makes me feel like I'm the 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.520 one who's out of the loop here. Obviously Gate is 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.600 a thing, and now we're talking about Gate two. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:16.800 Yeah, the kids just call it Gate. So to refresh, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.880 Gate one again was largely, I would say, largely good 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.440 hearted supernatural tale with lots of monsters, lots of cool 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.720 special effects about suburban kids and they're brushed with demons 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.880 from beyond this magical gate that they open up through 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.880 dark magic. Yeah, and then this movie is more of 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.680 an awkward teen film that just centers around Terry this 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.920 time and engages some serious attempts to engage some serious 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.840 subject matter, touches on some themes of awkwardness and coming 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.920 of age, but also engages in some nineties NERD teen 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.360 power trip goodness that I thought was pretty amusing, and 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.320 at times I think maybe struggles to figure out what 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.160 its identity is. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.000 Yeah, for sure, I think the movie knows what it likes, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.480 it knows what it enjoyed from the first iteration of this, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.000 and it's trying to extend those things. But there's not 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.920 really another story here. It's just more some stuff that 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.360 happens to some people, and there are some branches of 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.680 that make more sense than others, but really it is 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.840 just kind of what happened the next year, the next 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.839 two years whatever to Terry and how did he kind 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:30.320 of mine this darkness further? 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:30.680 You know. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.719 So it's interesting if you're interested in that sort of thing. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.080 But I don't know that it has the arc that 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.360 Gate One had. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.159 Yeah, I had read. I don't know to what degree 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.000 this was true or not, but supposedly at one point 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.280 had a PG. Thirteen rating, and it was I think, 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:48.960 on the shelf for a year or two before it 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.560 finally came out in nineteen ninety. But I'm to understand 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:57.520 they added some stoner humor in there, some stoner elements 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.200 concerning some of the characters in order to make Get 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.159 appeal more to horror fans, and in doing so, bumped 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.839 it up to an R. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.160 I wonder what part of the movie you're talking about, right, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.400 I can't even get there. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.880 But uh, I have to say, for an R rated 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.120 film from nineteen ninety, this is a I think that's 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.560 a pretty soft R. Yeah, for the most part, there's 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.080 As we were discussing off Mike, this film's a little grosser, yeah, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.280 the first one, and maybe leans a little less on 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.560 the just you know, the special effects, but also has 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.880 some fun special effects in it. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.279 Yeah. I think this, you know. It stuck out to 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.320 me that the special effects were more present throughout the 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.480 film than Gate One, but there are fewer of them, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:49.119 I think, so it takes more smaller swings and nothing 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.479 really matches the power of that big moment in Gate One, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.039 which is like legit impressive, I do want to say. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.320 And speaking of talking off Mike, we discussed how I'm 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.880 in Orlando for the holidays, and I am. I grew 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:07.120 up in Orlando. I watched this movie last night in 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.000 my childhood bedroom, and I think I kind of my 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.120 brain was on two parallel paths. One, I'm a man 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.960 in my forties in my childhood bedroom, watching Gate and 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:24.400 two by myself over the holidays. But two, I'm watching 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:29.000 Gate two probably in the best environment that it could 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.640 have possibly been, in the exact same spot where I 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.440 would have done it in nineteen ninety had I had 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.400 access to it. My parents would never have let me 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.359 rent this movie. But if I had permission to, I 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.560 would have been like in the sweet spot of an 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.560 environment to watch that movie. So I was kind of 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.400 enjoying it on two different levels. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.240 Though again, it's interesting this is the kind of film 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.920 that parents might not have left their kid rent. But 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.320 on the other hand, again pretty tame compared to many 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.960 of the other things on the shelf during this time period. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.080 Yeah, I think it levels up the insensitive language unfortunately, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.400 which Gate one was kind of problematic and did not 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:11.760 age well in that regard. But yeah, I think there's grossness, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:16.200 but it's not even really gore grossness. It's just objective grossness. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.600 So if I was to do an elevator picture this one, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.360 I would say it's I was a teenage sorcery. That's 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.520 basically the idea. Terry from the first film is now 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.720 an awkward teenager and he's going to solve all his 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.640 problems with sorcery, and to a certain extent he does, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:32.920 as we'll discuss. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:38.320 Yeah, it's hard for me, there's one thing that Terry 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:43.880 wants to fix. But he does seem to be interested 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.520 in a larger idea of sorcery than the movie really 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.520 gives him credit for or bothers to explain, like there's 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.600 no what then to what he unleashes, you know. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.400 Yeah, and in a sense, I guess it kind of 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.560 vibes with this idea of where he's supposed to be 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:01.080 in his life. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:01.280 You know. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.960 I think one of the things that works well in 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.480 the film is that they did seem to really care 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.280 about trying to capture Terry as a teenager and put 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.160 a lot of thought into like, you know, what is 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.720 supposed to be going on in his head and in 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.440 his worldview and and and I think there are aspects 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.280 of that that you know, you can connect with watching 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:18.960 the film. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.320 Yeah, Terry definitely has a few different dimensions to him, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.160 arguably the only character that you could say that about 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.240 in this movie. But they do try to do right 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.040 by Terry's teen angst for lack of a better word, all. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:33.600 Right, Well, let's go ahead and listen to the trailer. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:56.360 Addie the first time was just a warning. Gate two. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.480 Problem with him that well, in the Gate problem was 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:07.360 that we didn't do it right humanology. You've all against 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.760 the interdimensional contact with beings. Just power can be used 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.520 for anything you want anything. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.679 It's like the circle, it's mark. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.120 This time it's not coming through your backyard. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.520 Oh my god, this time it. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:46.480 Comes through you. Jake two, it turned to the Nightmare. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.760 All right, sounds pretty fun. Right, Well, if you want 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.199 to watch this film before proceeding with the rest of 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.680 the episode, well, it's widely available for digital purchase or rental. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.360 Shout Factory put out a really nice blu ray of 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.840 the film in twenty eighteen, and that's also widely available 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.720 right now. I watched it on a TV in my 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.240 living room. And did you watch it in a basement 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.880 or just a childhood bedroom. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.760 I was just in a childhood bedroom, and I was 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.840 on an iPad, which, to be fair, would not have 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:22.520 existed in nineteen ninety. But I got it through screen picks, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.559 I believe is where I was able to find it. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.800 I believe that's where I got it as well. Yeah, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.520 all right, well, let's jump into just talk about some 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.319 of the people involved here. A number of these are 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.839 the very same individuals from the first film, which I 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.800 think is one of the reasons everything lines up so 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.040 well with the first film for the most part. And 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.600 it does feel more or less like a continuation of that, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.120 as opposed to just someone else come in and doing 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.640 a Gate reboot, or doing some other adventure that marginally 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.200 includes the Gate, or, as is often the case in 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.120 horror films, you know, obviously some other property, some other 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.840 script that got switched around a little bit in order 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.360 to fit an existing franchise. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.280 Yeah, it definitely feels like it's woven from the same 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.240 thread as the original, and it's not just look and feel. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:13.559 It's the reverence for what's important in this movie world 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.920 that extends into this one. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.600 Yeah. So the director once again is t Boar Tacas 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.640 born nineteen fifty four, Hungarian born director who kicked off 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.240 his career with the nineteen seventy eight Canadian dystopian rock 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.360 opera Meta Messiah. He followed that up with eighty seven's 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.720 The Gate, which of course we previously discussed, and after 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.480 this he did eighty nine's I Madman and The Gate two. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.640 He directed four episodes of the nineteen nineties Outer Limits series. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:41.960 I think, as we discussed last time, these are not 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.200 episodes that you and I have seen. I don't know. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.200 Yeah, I don't think so. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.840 And his subsequent credits include a mix of TV episodes, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.280 eventually some Sci Fi original programming. He did two thousand 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.880 and five's Mensquito. He did some Christmas movies, and he's 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.920 still active making I think, you know, largely lower budget 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.280 actually action film, but action films that also have recognizable 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:03.160 names in them. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.880 Yeah, I think mansqito, I'm mad man. These are great 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.640 things to title your projects. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.040 It makes you want it was mansqito, like the working title, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.720 and then they're like, no, it's too good. We got 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.560 to keep it. That's the heart and soul of this picture. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.040 Or did Sci Fi come along and say, hmm, looks 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.400 like you got a Mansqito on it. That's how we're 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:23.040 pushing it out. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.480 I like to think that the deadline for a better 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.719 title or the final title came and went, and at 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.160 some point he was just like, yeah, no, no, it's Mensqito. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.080 All right. The writer, once again is Michael Mankin born 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.360 nineteen fifty five. Accomplished TV director, writer, and producer. He 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.520 also wrote nineteen eighty seven's Ruskies and episodes of such 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.760 TV shows as Life Goes On Chicago Hope in the 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.199 nineteen nineties Flipper series. As a director, he's done a 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.680 great deal of TV work Life goes On Battlestar Galactic 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.480 or reboot one episode of The Good Lord Bird. And 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.520 he's still very active today as a producer, a writer 0:12:58.640 --> 0:12:59.280 and a director. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.520 And he also wrote I'm Adman. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.400 Oh that's right, yes, which I haven't seen, but I 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.120 guess now I have to keep going at some point 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.200 in order to get the full Teaboard Tacus filmography. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.360 I just got that partnership. If it goes. If it's 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.320 a partnership of three titles, two of which we have seen. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.160 We've got to see the third one. I'm not suggesting 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.439 an episode. I'm not pitching that we do I'm Adman. Next, though, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.319 you are something of a completist this. We'll get into 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.720 these franchise right, like once you start a film franchise, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.160 you cannot stop. Unfortunately that's true. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.320 Yeah, all right, we'll come back to that in a second. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.480 But getting to the cast here, of course, we have 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.199 Terry back again. The awkward nerdy kid from the first film. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.120 This time he prefers to go by Terrence. But he's 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:45.839 still going to get called Terry a lot, and I'll 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.040 probably keep calling him Terry. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.160 Yeah, he's Terry in my heart. The movie, I couldn't 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 tell who was trying so hard to push Terrence, whether 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.440 he was insisting on it with others, or whether it 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.680 was being used as a pejorative or what. But all 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.280 my notes say Terry. He's Terry to me. He'll always 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.640 be Terry to me. Sorry, Lewis, You're Terry. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.480 Yeah, Lewis tripp Born's nineteen seventy three. I thought he 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.040 was pitched perfect in the first film as the awkward, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.080 nerdy eighties kid best friend of Stephen Dwarf's character Glenn. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.360 Now he is in the lead, and I think he 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.520 once again pulls out a very nice performance. I think 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.200 it's a great continuation of the character. You know, just 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.120 just totally selling this idea of this awkward dungeon master 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.320 who gets way too much on supervised time in his parents' basement. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.360 Yeah. I think Terry in the first one is total 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.400 latchkey kid. Hard emphasis on the latch key part. He's 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.400 by himself most of the time, or that's the vibe 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.120 you get from seeing the state of his room, the 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.200 state of his house, and how much he's hanging out 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.200 with Glenn, and you see it he's kind of disheveled too. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.480 He's like a metal head kid who doesn't really know 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.400 what that is and doesn't really know what a metal 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.760 head aesthetic is, which is a really cool and authentic 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.200 sloppiness to him. I think what you see in Gate 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.160 two is he has grown up. He's a teenager. He's 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.320 cleaned himself up a bit, but is I think still 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:19.240 supposed to present as disheveled. His room is pretty sloppy, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.560 but he doesn't have that metal edge that he had 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.920 in the first one. He does seem to have gone 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.640 more computer geek, and I think that's is aesthetic. That's 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.200 how he approaches problems, as we see pretty early on 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.600 in the movie. So it feels like somebody who's had 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.240 a little bit of time to think about what he 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:45.200 encountered with Glenn in the first gate and maybe didn't 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.240 have any friends or anybody else to spend time with, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.360 so was alone with his thoughts on that. And maybe 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.880 that's again me doing the work here. Maybe that's where 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.480 we meet him at the beginning of the movie. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.400 Yeah. Yeah, he seems like a kid who does not 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.160 have a group, you know, not one of the bad 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.840 kids with the leather jackets who will play an important 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.160 part in the film. There are no jocks in this film. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.480 It's just the bad kids are the only other faction 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:11.240 he'll encounter. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.600 Yeah, I could believe that John will get to him, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.840 but I could believe that John was a sports standout 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.320 star as well as the greaser, as well as the 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.360 bad kid, as well as the bad influence. Like I 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.840 can imagine a small enough town to wear He's everything. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.920 But the film doesn't do any work on the jock angle. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:35.840 Yeah. So, Lewis Tripp was a Canadian child actor who 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.840 wasn't in a whole lot else aside from the Gate 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.560 to Gate One, of course, some Canadian TV work. He 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.000 did apparently make a brief return to acting in twenty 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.000 twenty to play Terry one more time in a short 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.360 film called Sacrifice. So, you know, I don't know anything 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.960 about this production, but I'm guessing it was maybe sort 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.520 of a fan you know, filmmaker passion project, sort of 0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:58.960 a thing. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:16:59.880 In the Gate of Verse. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.320 You think I think it is supposed to be the 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.760 gate of Verse, if you will, but I don't think 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.399 it's like official gatea Verse. It might be, you know, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.679 kind of like when you see on IMDb that there 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.879 are various Star Wars movies that even have like second 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.560 or third tier Star Wars actors in them, but they're 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.840 clearly not official entries. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.560 Right, But if you got Terry, that's that's like ninety 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.560 five percent of the way to Cannon at that point. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.240 I think it'd be interesting to see what I'm sure 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.199 that t Woars weighed in on this, So after this, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.280 I'm going to look up whether this is blessed by 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.040 t Boar or not. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.719 You mentioned how disheveled Terry is in the film, and 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.720 I do think that his tennis shoes are key. He 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.840 has these like enormous white tennis like sneakers. I'm not 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.080 sure what brand they are, if they were, like if 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.920 there's the Nikes, I didn't really notice, but I feel 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.640 like I could smell them through the TV set, you know, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:57.639 like there's something just authentically awkward teenage boy of the 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.000 nineties about those shoes. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.360 Yeah, every just about everybody in this movie, I'll give 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.600 I'll give some people a pass, but everybody in this 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.480 movie looks like they smell. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:18.520 Yeah, all right. The next actor of note here is 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:23.879 Pamela Adlin. Credited on this film is Pamela Siegel. She 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:28.080 plays Liz. Liz is the love interest. She's one of 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.240 the bad kids, as we'll discuss, but she might just 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.040 have a heart of gold. We're gonna find out. But 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.800 Pamela Adlin here born nineteen sixty six, known to many 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.879 of you American actress, writer, and director. Probably best known 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.840 to a lot of you as the voice of Bobby 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:47.880 on the long running animated series King. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:48.160 Of the Hill. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.320 That's right, and once you hear it, you can't unhear it. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:57.399 Yeah. Now, she's also done a lot of acting out 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.560 She's not just a voice actor. I feel like most 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.720 of her filmography is voice at this point. But she 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.679 also had notable appearances on I think fourteen episodes of 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.760 Louis before heading up the series Better Things That that 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.159 was quite good and very well received. That ran for 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.679 what five seasons on FX. But her film credits go 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.159 all the way back to nineteen eighty two when she 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.520 appeared in Grease Too, followed by appearances on such TV 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.000 shows as the Facts of Life, Night Court, The Jeffersons, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:28.040 and many more. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:29.680 Yeah, I think you know, if you got King of 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.080 the Hill, which over two hundred and fifty episodes right there, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.360 if you got fourteen episodes of Louis, you got five 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.800 seasons of Better Things, that's a lot of Fox, rob 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.719 that's a lot of Fox. Sign in your checks. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:46.239 Yeah, she see the same year as this film, she 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.440 appeared on an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.159 Other live action roles include Life Goes On, Sergeant Bilco, 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.439 Lucky Louie, Californication series we already mentioned, of course, but 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.960 her voice acting credits are just all over the place. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.879 I think her earliest voice acting credit is nineteen ninety 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.000 two's fern Gully The Last Rainforest. I think she's in 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.600 like an l for a fairy in that. But after that, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.400 it's just all over the place. From Darkwing, Duck and 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:17.680 a nineteen ninety three Dare Cartoon to what episodes of 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.560 Rick and Morty, Big Mouth Adventure Time, the Disney dub 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.479 of Kiki's Delivery Service, just all sorts of stuff. 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.480 Now for the nineteen ninety three Day cartoon, are you 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.360 talking about cartoon All Stars to the Rescue where it's 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.359 the it's all of the characters from all of the 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.919 Saturday morning shows getting together to keep kids off of 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.280 drugs and like push joints away from kids' mouths and things. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.280 I don't know, let's see, I mean that would I 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.680 think maybe not, because I don't know that she had 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:49.280 extensive cartoon credits at that point, gotcha, So it might 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.280 have been just her doing like the voice of a 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:52.719 kid who's saying no to drugs. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.520 Well, next time I come back, if you will have 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.040 me back after even introducing this cartoon, that's the one 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.560 we're doing, is cartoon All Stars to the Rescue A right, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.280 technically a movie, guys technically a movie. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.400 So naturally for her, this was pretty early in her career. 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:12.639 I think she would have been something like in her 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.000 early twenties when they filmed this. It's a perfectly fine performance, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.080 but like we've been saying, this is not a character 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.800 that's really fleshed out all that much, and it's just 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.720 really a hint at where she'd excel later in her career. 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:28.480 I think you both have an accurate read on the 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.000 fineness of her performance. But let's take the larger picture 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.040 into consideration here. I think we need to be clear 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.199 about who's doing the work in this movie. And she 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.320 is carrying every scene she's in, She's carrying on her back. 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.800 Terry occasionally gets out to help push. But you notice 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.000 every scene that either of them are not in, because 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.720 it's almost like you're watching a different movie or a 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.280 scene from a TV show adjacent to that movie. 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.199 Yeah, or scenes that were shot after the fact to 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.679 bump up that r rating with some of stone or humor. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.520 Which brings us to the other members of the bad 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.160 Boy click. Really the prime members of this clique. We 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.720 have John. This is the lead bad Boy played by 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:14.919 James Vilmari born nineteen sixty six, another Canadian actor of 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.920 the day with some expected titles in his filmography. A 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:19.960 lot of times, you know, you look at actors who 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.879 were acting in the nineties and it's you know, some 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.639 of the same series that were that everybody was working on, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:29.080 but just a couple of years earlier. He managed to 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.120 appear in the nineteen eighty eight or maybe this would 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.960 have been the same year or thereabouts when it was 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.760 a film. He was in a Joe Diamato horror film 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.080 titled Zombie five, killing Birds alongside Robert Vaughn. This was 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.400 an Italian production that was filmed in Louisiana. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:49.040 It's about killer birds, right, it's not about killing birds, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:51.399 like the act of killing a bird. 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.520 I assume not. I haven't seen this one about. I 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.080 assume it's a bird's knockoff, a kind of a pre 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.640 bird demic, if you will. And of course, a lot 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.879 of films were released as zombie movies Zombie one, Zombie two, 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.040 Zombie threes on before, et cetera. They have nothing to 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.679 do with each other, but they said they were released 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:09.439 in Italy. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:14.439 Wild He's great, though, he's he's He is what he 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.520 needs to be, nothing more, nothing less. He sells what 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.040 he is supposed to be. If you want more from him, 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.639 you really want more from this movie. And that's not 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:24.600 really his fault. 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.280 Yeah, he's just a slimy, punchable bad boy. We're not 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.280 supposed to sympathize with him too much, but I mean 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.480 enough bad stuff happens to him that you can't help 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.520 but feel something for even this cardboard character. 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.520 At one point, yeah, there is a moment. We'll get 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.360 into it when we get through the plot, but there 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.920 is a moment where it took that to make me realize, 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.720 like he's not unsalvageably hateable, or don't you don't hate 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.880 him to the point that you don't sympathize with him, 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:52.119 you know? 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.960 Right now he has a sidekick, and this is Mo, 0:23:56.200 --> 0:24:00.080 played by Simon Reynolds born nineteen sixty nine, Canadian actor 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.520 whose credits include episodes of Friday the Thirteenth series Forever 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.000 Night Again. A lot of these are the Canadian series 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:08.760 of the day that a lot of people were involved in, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.240 but he also pops up in two thousand and seven 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.359 Saw four as a SWAT team member. Dave, you're the 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.560 Saw movie expert? Is this one of the good ones? 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.840 I just want to clarify that I'm the Saw movie 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:25.000 expert in the pool of two of us, so I am, 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.160 by no means a Saw Movie expert capital E. Saw 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.240 four is, interestingly enough, a pretty big page turn for 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:36.879 the series in terms of, like the scope widens a 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:41.200 little bit, and I love hate Saw. I love Saw 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:45.000 because I think people complain about Saw because it's it's 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:46.960 got a lot of soap opera elements to it that 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:52.679 keep them from getting to the gory torture traps. And 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:54.720 I'm kind of the inverse of that, like I'm here 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:56.960 for the soap opera part and I cover my eyes 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.720 for the gory traps. This is the part where the 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.520 so pauper really starts to ramp up and widen, and 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:06.479 more characters come in, the legacy grows past Jigsaw. So 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:11.840 it's a really big moment for the franchise. Unfortunately, I 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.919 don't think that Simon plays a big part in that. 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.320 I don't really remember. I remember the presence of the 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.280 Swat team, but I'd be lying if I said I 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.600 knew which member of that was Simon Reynolds. 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.600 So he doesn't come. He's not a character who comes 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.760 back and you're like, oh, he's Jigsaw's secret nephew. 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:29.639 No. Unfortunately, Now, okay, but you're very close. You're making fun, 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.240 but you're very close to what things that actually happen 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:33.240 in the sol franchise. 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.600 All right. We also have Terry's dad as a major 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:42.560 character in the film. Again not terribly developed either, but 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.240 a little more goes into the presentation of art Here 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.200 played by Neil Monroe, who lived nineteen forty seven through 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.159 two thousand and nine, another Canadian actor connected to a 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.600 lot of Canadian productions for screening TV of the day, 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.520 including RoboCop the series. But Dave, I have to highlight 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.399 that he has at least a small art in a 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:05.040 nineteen eighty two film titled Murder by Phone starring Richard 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.320 Chamberlain that has just an amazing bit of poster art. Yeah. 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.159 I haven't seen this, and I kind of want to. 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.159 It got me thinking about, like, is it Stephen king 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.359 Cell or something like that, but it seems a little 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.800 bit more analog than that for sure. And yeah, this 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.720 poster is incredible, incredible. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.119 I guess it's maybe it's going for like the killer 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:23.960 is calling from inside the house sort of a. 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.199 Thing, right, Yeah, but then how can they murder you? 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.520 As the thing like the whole when a stranger calls 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.360 is like that's how you find out that the guy 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:32.720 behind you is about to kill you. 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.520 Yeah, I mean the poster says, a madman pushes a 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.800 button and kills by phone. So yeah, it's got to 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.840 be some sort of a crazy technological angle here. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.960 In nineteen eighty two. It's got to be either joy 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.920 buzzer technology or a doctored phone that has something sharp 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.480 in it that gets you through the ear when you 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.720 pick it up. I can't imagine. I got to watch 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.399 this just to answer the question. 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.399 Maybe it's like an alternate reality where one of the 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:02.080 phone company actually put out like a kill button they 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:04.879 and they're like, oh goodness, this was a mistake. 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:10.480 The test market self defense for this one like random 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.600 chance that this specific thing might happen anyway. 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.520 In this film, Monroe gives I think a pretty pretty 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.760 solid performance given what he has to work with is 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.720 Terry's still grieving father who's struggling with depression, alcoholism, and unemployment. 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:28.720 Yet you feel for him. It's it's not a performance 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.240 that feels completely like bumbling. It's not going for comedy, 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.359 it's going more for melodrama, and he does a good 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.520 job with it. And then there's also a key dream 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.080 sequence that we'll discuss in which he really just goes 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.880 off the walls for and and really makes it terrifying. 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.960 You're really nice, Rob. I was gonna say that he 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:55.240 gives He does both I love alcohol and I regret 0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.640 loving alcohol really well and doesn't really do anything else. 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.639 There's ambiguity to his part in the plot that I 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.680 think he's supposed to carry a little bit more of 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.200 the lift of making us understand it. I think he's 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.240 why it's so it was so darn ambiguous to me, 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.680 because if he's not doing those two things, he's just 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.520 saying lines and carrying the story to its next beat. 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.800 I guess one of the things too about his character, 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.199 like his character is basically that the reason Terry is 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:26.800 going to get back in the dark arts he wants 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.760 to help his father. But in doing that, it's like 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.280 the film is, on one hand, about how trying to 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.440 use artificial means to affect change in your life or 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.280 certainly someone else's life is not going to work. Like 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.360 that's kind of what the film's about. And so when 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.719 you have a character like this, like when the character 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.440 does change a little bit or at least for a 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.520 brief period of time, it's like is this him or 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.640 is this the magic? It takes a lot of the 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.360 agency out of the character, and therefore I think maybe 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.840 that's one of the reasons it can fall flat. Yeah, yeah, 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.520 all right, Just a couple of small roles worth mentioning. 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:09.560 Gary Mindencino plays the matre d in a memorable comedic 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.920 attempts scene. The Canadian actor born nineteen fifty he stands 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.960 out because he was Uncle Taki from the Big Fat 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.800 Greek wedding movies. I haven't seen those, but he also 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.960 played a janitor in two thousand and nine Saw six. 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:25.560 Is this one of the good ones? 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.640 Well, I'm glad you asked, because as the resident Saw expert, 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:33.120 I need to speak to this one, and specifically it 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.440 is one of the If there can be a better 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.160 Saw movie, this is one of the better ones. Plot wise, 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.920 I think it makes the most coherent sense as a 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.920 standalone thing. To me, it's a takedown of the health 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:53.400 insurance industry, and the Jigsaw's whole thing is about choosing 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:57.680 life and the choices that you make and appreciating life 0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.920 because of the choices that you make. And this is 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:05.400 is the main victim of Saw six, is a health 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.880 insurance executive who has to go and make choices trap 0:30:08.920 --> 0:30:12.040 by trap of who to say and who to let die, 0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.120 much like the insurance companies have to do. 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:15.560 So. 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.080 Again, I'm not saying it's great, but this is one 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.920 of those plots that rattled around my head more than 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.080 the other confusing mess plots of the other Saw movies. 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.680 This guy actually had a death. He was in a trap, 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:34.040 and it is a pretty gruesome, memorable, tough trap to watch, 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:38.000 more conceptually gruesome than it is just flat out gross, 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.040 which I tend to lean in that direction more than 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.400 just seeing the squirting and the blood and the guts 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.920 and all that. So yeah, I would say, I would 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.440 say it's one of the good ones. 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.120 All right, And this guy had a pretty decent death 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:53.360 in it. 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.880 Yeah. He was a janitor for the health company, which 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.200 is or the health insurance company, which is why he 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.360 was plucked to be one of the people in these traps. 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.520 But he's not a bad guy. He's just somebody whose 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.920 life is used to try and teach the bad guy lesson. 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:16.080 Right he is without spoiling too much. He has difficulty 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.400 breathing because he's a lifelong smoker, and he's put into 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:25.840 a trap where if he breathes, he becomes constricted, and 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.480 if he breathes too much, he'll get crushed with another guy. 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.120 So it's kind of a race to see who can 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.720 hold their breath the longest. And he's obviously at a 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.320 disadvantage because he has reduced lung capacity, and there's some 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.720 layer of insurance to that, being like, you know this 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.000 guy and you would not want him to die but 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:48.040 on paper, he does seem like the more likely candidate 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:51.560 for letting him die if you had to choose between 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.560 the two. So the whole movie kind of puts the 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.200 main victim into choice after choice like that. 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:01.160 Interesting. I had no idea about this this jury in 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:02.960 the Saw franchise, so this was kind of like their 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:03.800 message movie. 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.880 Yeah. The only downside is you got to watch five 0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.600 Sol movies to get there. Otherwise it makes zero sense. 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.760 So you got about ten hours of work ahead of 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.200 you if you want to understand this ninety minutes. 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.960 All right, One more actor of note here. It's Carl Cranes, 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.800 who was in the first Gate movie played the workman 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:24.719 oh bombie character. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:30.680 Yeah, that's he's the guy. That's the guy, Like that's iconic. 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.920 Yeah. Yeah. In the Gate verse it is, Well, he's 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.480 back in this one and playing a character that I 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.960 don't want to reveal yet, but there's a certain monsterish 0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.760 monster character that he also plays. Now, this guy wasn't 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:47.360 exclusively a monster suit actor, but in the Gate verse 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.200 he's a monster suit guy, and he weirdly pops up 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.640 in the nineteen eighty two horror drama The Slayer, which 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.200 I don't know if you've seen this one, Dave, But 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.560 this is the movie that was filmed on Tybee Island 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.320 here in Georgia. Oh, that is not a great movie. 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.160 It's a very serious movie. It would be more fun 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:09.000 if it were not as seriously minded as it is. Yeah, 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.920 but for anyone who's ever been to or is visiting 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.640 Tybee Island, it's worth watching because you've got all the 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.520 local scenery and there are a lot of scenes concerning 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.160 a ruined movie house that has now been fully restored. 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.000 And I think at least once a year will show 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.800 The Slayer for interested parties. 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.120 That's awesome. Yeah. I hadn't seen this movie, but I 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.000 do you know. I love Tybee Island and it is 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.760 a setting that I think would lend really well to 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:39.160 a unique beachish horror movie. I would definitely be interested 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.680 to see that just for the scenery alone. 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.280 Yeah, haunting beach that that people go on vacation too. 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.680 I do think like these two roles that you've highlighted 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:52.160 him in the Gata verse though he's the ringer's on 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.400 a phone call away if you need me to be 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.280 an effective actor at delivering a certain scene, and he 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.280 does it twice in a row Yeah. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.120 Yeah, yeah, and then this layer They're like, oh, we 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.080 got five minutes left in the film and we haven't 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.520 showed the monster yet. Get him on the get him 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:07.960 on the horn. We're bringing him in. 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.480 Turn him into a workman who turns into several little minions. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:18.160 Yeah, direct flight LA to Tybee Island. All right, Randall. 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.320 William Cook is back doing visual effects. Also second unit director. 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.040 I'm gonna largely skip over him. We talked about him 0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.920 and at greater length in the first episode that we 0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.920 did on the Gate. And then the score is by 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.720 a different gentleman. It's George Blondheim, who lived nineteen fifty 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:38.080 six through twenty twenty, Canadian jazz musician and composer. Though 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.600 this is not a jazzy score, I don't want to 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.960 suggest that it's more versed in what you'd imagine, like, 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:49.440 you know, electronic horror film vibes. But he was apparently 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.680 pretty well received in the at least within the Canadian 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:57.040 film industry. He had award winning scores for Angel Square 0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.960 from nineteen ninety and Whale Music from nineteen ninet. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.880 Okay, yeah, I got to be honest, I'm struggling to 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.439 remember parts of the score for this movie. I felt 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.040 like there was a lot of quiet going on. I 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:13.359 think that, and that's not necessarily to specifically dig on 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:17.200 this score being necessarily bad or anything, but I don't 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.520 think it was particularly memorable to me. I think that 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.040 there's a case to be made that it worked really 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.680 well with the scenes that it was emphasizing in that 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.160 I didn't pick apart the score to it. But again, 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:31.840 maybe I'm just being charitable. 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.920 I mean, sometimes an effective score is kind of invisible. 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.200 I think I mainly I was listening for it, and 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.360 I wanted to see, what, you know, to make some 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.440 note of it, and so a leary couple of times 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.239 where it's turned up a bit during car chases and whatnot, 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.680 and during those moments it was like, Okay, all right, 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.319 there's some nice electronic vibe here, but yeah, there's no 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.279 like theme from Gate To that everyone needs to go 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:55.879 out and find on Spotify right now. 0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:57.360 Well, and that's what I was about to get to, 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.880 which I think like the Gate had, at least in 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.080 my personal memory, like a pretty memorable Gate One, had 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.719 a pretty memorable campaign behind it, and a pretty memorable 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.120 theatrical run in that I remember it at all Gate two, 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:12.960 I think open to I looked it up. It was 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.759 like three hundred and fifty theaters when it came out, 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:21.560 which pretty small opening. Maybe maybe the Gate a Verse 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.160 suffered from the lack of a gate theme on the 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:31.160 level of like you know, Exorcist or Poltergeist, you know, 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.440 something that has again not a full song to it, 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.399 but a tone that tells you this is that, you know. 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.239 So not knocking the music, but again it doesn't really 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.880 perhaps stand out all that much. Yeah, all right, well, 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.240 let's let's get into the plot a little bit. This film, 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.280 I think rather effectively starts out with the condemned ruins 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:57.319 of Glenn's old house, Glenn being the main character, the 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.400 little kid from the first film, and also like his 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.520 house was the focal point, that's where the gate was opened. 0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.120 Yeah. I was excited and relieved to be like, all right, 0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.919 here we go. We're right back where we left off. 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:11.759 A little bit of time has passed, and it'll be 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.240 fun to see the ways in which the time has passed. 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.759 The thing I gotta flag here is that the rest 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:23.120 of the neighborhood looks fantastic. It's a really nice neighborhood. 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.480 And then you get to the lines of the plot 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:30.120 of Glenn's house. Yeah, and it's all chain link fins, 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:35.520 all overgrown, tumbleweeds, all disheveled house. And this may be 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.680 my failing memory. I don't remember Glenn's house being in 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.640 such bad shape at the end of the last movie. 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.640 I remember the inside being ravaged, of course, but I 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.279 don't remember the house itself being so destroyed. I thought 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.120 that they would still be able to live in it. 0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:52.879 Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe the idea And I'm 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.319 being generous here because they don't explain any of this 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.480 or even suggest it really, but maybe like the place 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.080 is considered haunted now. Yeah, it's just it's abandoned. It 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.400 reminds me a bit of how they end up treating 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.320 the Heisenberg House in Breaking Bad. In the later seasons 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.719 where you see these at a time, I think it's 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.920 they're foreshadowing it and the later seasons by showing this 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:19.040 house as boarded up and graffitied and abandoned and with 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.400 the idea like something terrible happened here and even though 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.200 the rest of the neighborhood still looks fine, like this 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:25.640 is a place to be shunned. 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.480 Now, or maybe there's a superstitious layer to it of 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.680 if you want things to stay as nice as they 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.760 are everywhere else, you will not touch the Demon House 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.840 or disrupt the Demon House at all, which Terry is 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:38.000 pretty eager to do. 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.799 Yeah, I mean, ownership of the house is probably all 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.840 tied up because once you open a gate to another dimension, 0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.319 a whole new set of laws are involved, and like 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.120 the bank can't just sell it off at that point. 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.640 Well, arguably it's kind of a squatter's right thing because 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:57.239 the gate was there first. So the demons, the three 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.000 demons which we'll get to later, argue that plot. 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.080 Still. I have say great initial central set piece for 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.000 the film, like the literal ruins of a happier childhood, 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.400 a testament to this lost friend is no longer a 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.960 part of Terry's life. And of course this is where 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.200 the gate opened, this is where the gate can still 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.080 be opened, so we have the dark temptation of this 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:19.960 place as well. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.320 And there is a monologue of Terry I think, talking 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.600 to his dad. It's revealed he's talking to his drunk, 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.520 past out dad, but it's him kind of summarizing where 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.839 we should be at this moment, and it stuck out 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.759 to me that Terry referred to the events of the 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.719 Gate one as quote, the most exciting thing that had 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:38.520 ever happened to me. 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.640 Oh yeah, like when the demon pretended to be your 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.200 dead mother and scared the crap out of you and 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:47.960 the little minions tried to murder you. 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:50.200 I woke up and I was dancing with a dead 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.040 dog I maybe had killed. 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:56.000 I forgot about that part. 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.160 Very exciting. Yeah, see why it's eager to get back 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.680 into it. But yeah, I think he says in that 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.120 monologue the problem wasn't that they had opened the gate, 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.640 it was that they hadn't done it correctly. And I 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.560 think that that's not to get too far ahead of 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.840 where you were headed, Rob, but that seems to be 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.120 what Terry has poured himself into, is how to do 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:16.800 it correctly. 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:20.640 Yeah, because yeah, if you if something wrecks your life 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.520 or the lives of your friends the first time around, 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:25.879 you just need to do it differently the second time. 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.120 That's that's the lesson of this film, or that's what's 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.919 that's Terry's approach anyway. 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.960 And his like, his approach is pretty involved this time 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.600 around too, like not just tech wise, but like you 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.560 you really think that he has spent every waking moment 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:43.279 thinking about how to do this differently since however long 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:47.360 ago Gate one was, which that's another ambiguity. Has it 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.880 been five years, has it been one year and he 0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.640 just got much bigger? We just don't really know. 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.000 But clearly he's been doing nothing but reading Dungeons and 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:59.320 Dragons manuals and Michael Crichton novels, because that's his approach. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:03.040 It's like the cong go approach to doing the magic circle. 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.440 As we'll get too, but before that, like, yeah, he's 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.480 talking to his dad, who you know, it was revealed, 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.319 has passed out drunk on the couch. It's revealed not 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.560 all as well in Terry's world. This was something I 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.520 wasn't entirely sure about, Like he's concerned about his father. 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.560 His father is upset because his mother has passed away. 0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.160 But the way they presented in the film makes you 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.279 think it was supposed to happen between the movies. I 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.520 didn't realize until you pointed out in the notes though 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:30.240 she was already dead in the first film. 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.560 Sounds like a huge flop. Boy. Yeah, so that again 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.680 led me to believe, Okay, there that's still a fresh wound, 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.440 not like something like that ever stops being a freshmoan, 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.239 but it still is. Your head is still in the 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.479 can I fix that mood? You know, although again getting 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.279 ahead of ourselves, Terara never tries to do that. So 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.600 you got a hand it to Terry, who at least 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.719 is aware of some limits to what power he's tapping into. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:41:59.399 Right, but still he's going to give it a try 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.759 if he does it right this time at a peak 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.239 of his powers, and maybe he can get his dad 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.920 back on the right track, because as as they continue 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.759 to lay out, his dad is unemployed, has has an 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.600 alcohol problem, and is still wrecked with grief. Yeah. 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:19.200 Yeah, he plays sleeping very well. That's great. He wakes 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.120 up a little bit. This is actually a pretty sweet moment. 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:24.760 He Terry kisses him on the forehead as he's leaving 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.359 to go do his dark ritual and he wakes up 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:31.360 and kind of does that like you know, you're waking 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.480 up and trying to click into the world around you. 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.120 He played that really well and it was very sweet. 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.280 You know. You hear this a lot about children of alcoholics, 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.600 that they are the parent to their parent, and you 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.760 get that that's almost wordlessly done. Here and it's really effective. 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.760 Yeah, yeah, it does work. Again, this is a film 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.880 that does try to get into some serious issues and 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.200 use them in the development of character and rolling out 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.960 the plot and all. But you know, generally horror movie 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.160 are not where you look to find thoughtful and sympathetic 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:18.360 treatments of things like alcoholism and other topics this will discuss. Yeah, 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:20.520 all right, but it's time for some black magic. Like 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.040 from here, he's like he's getting his gear together. He's 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:27.319 heading off to Glenn's old house into the ruins because 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.200 it's time to open that gate up again and set 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:30.759 things right. 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.560 He's got himself marked up with a bunch of symbols 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.799 all over his arms. In his hands, he's got this 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:41.759 huge book that he's referencing, which I like. Is that 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.840 so in Gate one he's listening to a metal album 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.880 and the lyrics of the metal album are the lyrics 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:53.600 of the Dark Book, and that's what they're using to 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.200 summ in or do whatever they need to do with 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.759 the Gate. I don't think that they ever had the 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.160 Dark Book in Gate one, did they? 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:02.880 I thought that the Gate Book was like it was 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:04.880 just referenced in the lyrics and maybe in the liner 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.879 notes of the album. Yeah, like the album was their 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:10.880 entry way into the darkness. You know, I had that 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.400 nice kind of like metal sploitation element to the whole picture, 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.920 and that's largely not here. I guess after the events 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:19.200 of the first film, he was able to get a 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:19.640 copy of. 0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:23.040 The book, and it's like it's like three feet tall, 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.520 this book, and it seems like there is no binding 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.600 to it because he keeps flipping like full pages of 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.560 it from top to bottom. So he's got that, He's 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:34.760 got the symbols that he's written all over his hands 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:38.920 and arms. He's got a cape because he need a cape, 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.680 and he grabs a hamster too on his way out. 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.400 Yep, yep, grabs that hamster. Oh, he just sets up 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:49.480 this wonderful magic circle inside of Glenn's old house. You 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.200 got crimson candles, yeah, the unholy symbols. But then he's 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.120 also brought some computer equipment with him, sets up a 0:44:56.200 --> 0:45:00.960 kind of like holographic Michael Crichton circle of protection and 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:02.879 you know gets so it's got like a high tech 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.319 approach to sorcery. Before he calls on the sentinels, he 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.040 calls on the minions from the first film to come forth. 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:13.040 Yeah, yeah, And he kept calling it a circle. It 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.520 was a pentagon. And I only remember that because I 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.840 was like, oh, this is so that it's technically easier 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.000 for them to make a laser pentagram and not have to, 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.200 you know, reconcile a circle with the points from a 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.239 set design perspective. It never happened. There was never a pentagram, 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.400 so that theory just went right out the window. 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.719 So he's not far into this, this whole ritual here 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:39.200 before the bad kids show up. It's John, it's his 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:43.400 girlfriend Liz, and it's the sidekick Mo, And you know, 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.040 at first, it seems like this is going to be 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.279 kind of like a jockson Nerd situation, right, They're just 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:51.440 gonna immediately make fun of this kid, wreck his equipment, 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.160 mess up whatever spell's about to be cast. But what 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.000 happens is kind of fun because Terry tells them that 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:58.920 they're like, what is this Satanism? And he's like, no, 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:03.439 it's not satanism, it's demonology. It's infinitely more badass. And 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:07.120 then Terry manages to roll in Natural twenty on his 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.880 persuasion check here, because immediately Liz and Mow are like, yeah, 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:15.719 this nerd is pretty cool. This demonology stuff is pretty righteous. 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.359 We want in on this, and John has no choice, 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:19.960 but you just go along with it. At this point, 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:24.920 he's still suspicious of Terry being anything approaching cool, but 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.719 the three of them are brought into the ceremony. 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:33.359 Yeah. His it's not Satanism, it's demonology, had big. It's 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.759 not a comic book. It's a graphic novel energy to me, 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.120 but delivered with the confidence that I wish I had 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.799 as a teenager of No, this is cool and I 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.879 love this and it's cool. Obviously Terry's more driven than 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.319 just I love this, but yeah, instantly, a D twenty 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.799 roll is a great way to put it. They two 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.200 out of the three of them flip and are into 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:54.759 it as well. 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.120 Yeah, and this is one of the moments of several 0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.400 moments in the film that it does feel like Ninety's 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.799 Keen Nerd power Trip, where it's like the idea that 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.680 you would have this confidence and win people over because 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:12.200 you are essentially this capable sorcerer, right exactly. I was 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:17.520 not a capable sorcerer in my teens, but I understand 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:18.719 the desire to have been. 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.839 I do wanna And the movie doesn't do a great 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.520 job of this. But just a few seconds before this, 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.880 as he's setting up the altar, he takes an audio 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.960 cable and we know it's an audio cable because it's 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.200 giving audio pickup sounds whenever he moves it around and 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.200 plugs the cable into the hamster. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:36.479 Oh yeah, what was going on there? 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:42.239 And then the speakers start to hum. So I don't 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.239 know where he plugged it in. I don't know how 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:49.480 the hamster just allowed that to happen. But it was 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:54.000 just one of several preparation quote unquote scenes that he 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.239 was doing, and that one just stuck out to me 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:57.520 as really really bizarre. 0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.000 Yeah, I saw that now that you mentioned. I remember 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:01.640 the wire going up to the hamster, but it's just 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:04.160 kind of like just touches the hamster and we get 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.040 the sound effect and it's like, I guess it's working. 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:09.080 Whatever's happening. Yeah, all right, So anyway, now we have 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:13.120 four people present for the unholy ceremony. Uh yeah, they 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.240 go through the whole rigamarole. There's this bit where they're 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:19.920 they're making little sacrifices, burning sacrifices for the ritual, and 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:21.799 I'm having trouble remembering everything that went in. I know 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.320 Terry puts in a photo of his dad. John throws 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:27.359 in a playing card a king. I don't remember what 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:28.239 mowen Lives put in. 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:33.799 Yeah, I don't remember that either. And it the transition 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:38.440 from setting up your ritual to getting busted by these 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.520 kids to getting these kids on your side to them 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.399 actually performing the ritual. Like I want to say, they 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.200 just rushed through it. I don't think that we saw 0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.360 what mowen List put in, but maybe there was a 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:48.560 quick shot that I missed. 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.839 Yeah, they should have emphasized it more since they are 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.200 going to refer back to it later. Yeah, I remember 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.200 what what happened. But we get to the point where, okay, 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.080 obviously somebody's got to cut the head off of that hamster. 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.680 Care gets that as cool dagger to do it. But 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.560 and this is, you know, perfectly believable in a nice 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.160 character moment, he can't quite do it because as much 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:11.000 as Terry wants to be this uh, this you know, 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:16.560 cold sorcerer, he can't bring himself to kill this pet rodent. John, however, 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:19.480 has had no qualms about this. He jumps right in 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:24.839 and off screen slays the hamster, spills its blood and 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:26.160 the summoning begins to work. 0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.279 Yeah, and Moe again, Moe and John are kind of 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:33.200 like the good cop, bad cop of the bad Cops. 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:37.279 You know, Moe's the good bad cop. H He has 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:40.440 a line here that again went to bed thinking about 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:44.640 this line. As he kills the hamster, most says hamster 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:49.520 sushi anybody, which just because it's dead doesn't mean that 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:55.640 it's sushi. Like that's such a leap, and that's the 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.680 the language error. There was what I went to bed 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.720 thinking about, not the grotesqueness of hamster sushi or the 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.879 smugness a killing the hamster, but just like that joke 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:05.560 doesn't work. 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:07.759 Yeah, I mean it was a time period though when 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.600 there I feel like there were a lot of sushi jokes. 0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:13.400 Like sushi was weirdly new enough of a concept that 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.600 it was like regular fodder for like late night you 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.600 know TV monologues where you make a joke about about 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:21.440 raw sushi. 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:26.600 Yeah, I think like it was a euphemism for chopping 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.359 for something that is chopped up was sushi. So maybe that, yeah, 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:32.879 maybe that was it. I can sleep well tonight, thank you, Rob. 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:36.320 So we get a scene where the yeah, the magic 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.520 begins to take hold, like the walls are bleeding. You 0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.160 expect that some sort of like black blood of the 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:43.960 earth is flowing around on the on the floor but 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.040 can't pass through the magic circle or the magic laser 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:53.320 pentagram here. And then then everyone is like momentarily transported 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:57.000 sort of phantasm style to some sort of like green 0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.040 otherworldly desert, and then they're back in this world and ope, 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.719 finally one of the minions from the first film shows up. 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.000 In the first film, we got tons of minions. I 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.359 don't think we're ever going to get more than one 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:11.800 at a time for this picture. But still the creature 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.160 looks as fabulous as before. 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.920 A couple of things like one the flashing to the 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.600 other world again. We're like ten minutes into this movie 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.880 and we're already seeing the other side. Like, I'm pretty 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.279 excited at this point. I'm like this, we're getting ready 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:29.600 to deliver. Then we see a minion again ten minutes in. 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.880 We had to wait so long to see the first minion. 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:34.960 Last time, I will take a movie that gives me 0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.799 one minion for ninety percent of it, then one that 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.400 gives me one hundred minions in the last ten percent 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:40.719 of it. 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.239 Every time Yeah, and this minion is going to be 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:44.640 with us for a while. It gets up to some 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.879 cool antics. Yeah, it's pretty fun. 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:52.239 He rules, his animation is fantastic. Yeah, this is this 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.440 is the one hundred little small swings that I'm talking about. 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.080 You believe that that minion is there, and you believe 0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.320 what's about to happen to that minion actually happen weapons, Yeah, because. 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.759 What happens is John gets freaked out, pulls out a 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:07.120 pistol against firing it, and kills the minion. Shoots the 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.759 minion through the heart. Minion's dead. He roughs up Terry 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.960 a little bit, pulls his crew out, despite the fact, 0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:16.520 again the whole thing is, as we've established, the crew 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:20.000 here has teleported to another realm and come back and 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:25.439 then seen a magical creature. But they everyone proceeds as 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:30.040 if there wasn't such vital proof presented to them of 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:31.360 the supernatural reality. 0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:35.200 Yeah. John treats it like you put us in danger 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:42.640 and I saved us. And that's not untrue, but it's 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:46.480 such like the I saved us part is so presumptuous 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.799 that you know the situation well enough to know that 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:53.040 you did that. I think legit Okay to be angry 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.360 at Terry for transporting you all to a demonic realm 0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:00.760 and putting you in the same room as a dem minion. 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:02.719 But I think that's the point at which you need 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:06.319 to pump your brakes on what you know about the universe. Yeah, 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.640 and look to Terry to say, what was that? What 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:09.520 do we do next? 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.080 Yeah, he's had a peek at a at a wider 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.520 reality and just immediately turns his back up. Yeah, so 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.279 what's Terry left to do? He lovingly wraps the dead 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:22.560 minion up in his cape and and like the next 0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.279 shot is like we see to just preserved in a 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:25.560 jar of I don't know, vinegar. 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:28.960 I guess I just assumed it was from aldehyde. Vinegar 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.920 makes a lot more sense. It is opaque. So there's 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:37.400 something again. Maybe he was ready for something like this 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:41.080 to happen and had a tank of preservative at the ready. 0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.120 Well, you know, Stephen King in a book would have 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:44.880 had a lot more. He would have just like, oh, well, 0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:48.279 Terry stole it from the chemistry lab at his high 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.960 school and brought it back. We don't know, we don't 0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.799 have room for that kind of description here. So yeah, 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:56.520 maybe he got some some from Autohyder. Maybe it is just. 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:58.920 Vinegar Stephen King. It would have been two chapters and 0:53:58.960 --> 0:53:59.640 a flashback. 0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:04.640 Yeah. Now the next morning, it seems like Terry's dad 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.640 is back on track, right or is he? He seems 0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.640 like he's off to get his airline job back, seems 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.720 pretty confident about it. Terry seems a little bit worried, 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.239 and I think we as viewers of the film are 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:20.399 also supposed to be a little worried about Terry's dad. Here. 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:23.880 Yeah, he's again. It's abrupt. There's not a lot of 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.760 explanation there. I think it's supposed to be intentionally vague. 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:31.239 But all he is saying is that he's got an 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.399 interview at his old job. They want him back. And 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.240 he looks at his pilot's outfit that he's not wearing, 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.920 finishes up his suit, then gets in the car and 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.880 then you get a scene where Terry's looking out the 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.400 window or no, you get a scene of him in 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.080 the driver's seat of the car. You see him taking 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.279 a nip from a flask inside the car. Yeah, so 0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.799 you're seeing that it's not completely on board. And then 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.960 even worse, you see Terry see that through the window 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:00.919 so Terry knows what's going on as well. He knows 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.520 that okay, it's old tricks. There might be a new 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:06.640 thing going on, but it's not an entirely new situation. 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:10.440 Yeah. So at school, Terry's distracted winds up in detention. 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:13.160 But in detention he ends up bonding with Liz because 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.919 Liz is there for some reason. She's up to no good. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.120 She's having trouble concentrated. I don't know. We don't know 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:21.120 the full background. It's not revealed to us. But Liz 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:25.680 does reveal what wish she made when they were putting 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.319 together their ceremony, and it is to meet her true love. 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:33.560 It's such a Disney wish. Yes, and maybe that's why 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.680 there was nothing to put on the altar. Again. We'll 0:55:35.719 --> 0:55:38.120 get Moe's later too, and that's another one that is 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.840 like what would manifest for you to put on an altar? 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.120 Yeah. So meanwhile, John and Mo are not in school. 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.840 Moe has apparently has a factory job at this big, 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.520 scary factory. There will be a set piece later on 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.920 in the film. Yeah, and John is apparently there just 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.399 to hang out, to force him to smoke weed and 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.560 to encourage him to quote be a man and quit 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:57.040 his job. 0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:02.840 He also wants some most pills, and Mo makes a 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:05.200 point to be like, these are heart pills. They don't 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.799 do anything to us. John is essentially just like, shut 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.560 up and give me one anyway. So John loves. 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:13.839 For his heart yeah, kind of makes fun of him 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:14.919 for his heart condition too. 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:19.440 Yeah. And that's where Moe reveals that he wished for aliens. 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.880 Yep, he wants to meet aliens. And then kind of 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:24.440 like as an afterthought, is like, oh yeah, and then 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:25.840 maybe they could fix my heart condition. 0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:29.520 Maybe don't wish to have your heart condition fixed, which 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:31.840 is something you could put your pill on the ritual 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.840 altar for, but wish for aliens. Oh yeah, and also 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:37.799 maybe they could fix my heart Yeah. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.880 But it's kind of a pure wish, Like it shows 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:44.279 like most most not really that bad a guy. He's 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:47.560 just easily led. John, however, reveals his wishes. He wants 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:49.080 to be king of the world. He just wants straight 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.680 up power, with no details about how to get from 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:55.520 point A to point B except through like supernatural wishes. 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:58.000 Well, just the John and Liz really deserve each other 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.359 when you boil down the broad strokes of their worldviews 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.200 that these are the things they are wishing for. 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:09.440 Yeah, it's not surprising they've wound up together. Now. Meanwhile, 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.680 back in the basement, the minion in the jar is 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.040 healing like the bullet has been like pooped out of 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:18.680 the wound. The wound is closing up, and Terry's Terry 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:22.240 notes this, it's exciting. And then meanwhile Terry's dad is 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:26.040 celebrating because he's he's he's not a pilot again, but 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:30.320 he is a baggage expediter. And when he reveals this 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:32.360 to Terry, Terry seems a little bummed out about it, 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.640 but also given that dad clearly hasn't beat his drinking problem, 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:37.360 this also seems like a very good thing. 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:41.080 Yeah, and the dad is wasted at this point. He's 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:46.400 doing the comical slurring alcoholism is not funny, but the 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:50.320 way that he is playing it is very vaudevillian. Yeah, 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.000 the way that he's it's very exaggerated. 0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.120 Now, the next thing that happens, of course, is the 0:57:55.120 --> 0:58:00.080 minion comes to breaks out of his prison and we 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.560 get more shots of the basement there. I know, as 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.640 there's a like a Motley Crue banner. 0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:07.800 That he's a fully displayed huge banner. 0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:10.600 Yeah, I feel like some of the other posters rock 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:13.040 posters has a kind of obscured now, but Motley Cruz 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:14.520 front and center. I don't know what we're supposed to 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.640 do with that in terms of figuring out Terry's care. 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:21.280 Yeah, and it's good to take a pause and acknowledge 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.800 that the walls are clean and readable. It's not posters 0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:25.920 on top of posters on top of posters like it 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:29.680 was when he was a child. His decorating game has 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.480 leveled up a little bit, but maybe not to a 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:36.320 presentable level. There's also exposed scaffolding in his room for 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.479 some reason, which was not there before. Again, this looks 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.920 like a pretty finished house, so maybe he's moved into 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.600 the basement and the basement was always unfinished or something 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:48.360 like that. And this is not stuff that's important to 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.000 the movie or the plot or anything like that, but 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:53.040 it's the sort of thing that just like lodges in 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.680 my brain and I can't really move on until I've 0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:58.240 really digested that sort of thing. 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.200 Yeah, I mean, now that you mention it, it's a fairly 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.880 sizable looking house. How can it possibly just have a 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.640 master bedroom? Right? Like, there's got to be at least 0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:08.919 two bedrooms up there. Why isn't he in one of them? 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.520 I guess maybe he just wanted to live in the 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:11.520 basement because it's cool. 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:13.920 And yeah, that's a very teen thing, you know. 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.840 Yeah, all right, so the minions escaped and we do 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.560 get some pretty fun minion antics at this point, the 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.960 minion running around and Terry having to fight the minion 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.920 dressing up in hockey gear. He gets very grimliny here 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:27.840 for a minute. Yeah. 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:31.480 The minion gets some scissors, like the legit scissors with 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:36.600 the black handles the scissors, so he's got a weapon. 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.960 He's coming at Terry. Terry's dressed in hockey pads. He 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.440 eventually gets the wastebasket and puts the waste basket over 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.080 the minion, trapping him, and then this seems unnecessary, starts 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.320 hitting the side of the wastebasket to make the loud 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.840 clanging noise, which disorients him. Then he pulls the waste 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.600 basket off, which is like, why just put something underneath 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:59.840 the waist basket? Classic bug mode, and then you've got him. 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:04.160 You can move around, yeah exactly, but in doing so, 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:06.880 in lifting the waste basket, you get the comical effect 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:11.000 of the minion, kind of like staggering around dazed. If 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.240 it were a cartoon, you'd see the birds over his head. 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:15.560 And then it's into the hamster cage. 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.240 Yeah is it? No, it's a bird cage. 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:21.200 I think, oh, that's right, right, but what the hamster 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.400 was in earlier, rightly, it is clearly a bird cage. 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:27.160 Yeah. The reason I thought about the bird cage was 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.040 because there is a very sweet scene later on of 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:32.720 him swinging on the swing, yes, like a little boy. 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:37.320 Yeah, with his legs crossed. That's that's great stuff again. 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:39.720 All the stuff with the Minion is tremendous. Yeah. Now 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:43.160 the next morning, Terry's dad is throwing out all his booze, 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.360 filling up really to a comic degree. He's filling up 1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:50.360 an entire garbage can with liver bottles and reveals that 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.400 not only does he have his job back, apparently he 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:55.320 is flying again and he's going to do quote the 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.480 London Run. Yeah. 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:01.200 I couldn't tell if he was doing the I'm done 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:04.400 with drinking throwing out of bottles, or if it was 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:06.400 meant to be this is how much I drank last 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:09.680 night throwing out of bottles, Because it really is just 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:13.520 it never ends, like it goes on for forty seconds 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:17.000 just about of clang, clank clank. The Manion hates it. 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:20.120 This is when he's on the swing, he's swinging and 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:24.520 like screaming at all the noise that's going on. And 1:01:24.560 --> 1:01:28.080 then yeah, the London route. That his first day back 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:30.040 in the plane, he's doing the London route. 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.760 Yeah, it seems like a bad idea. But also it's 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:37.000 just very confusing because like what changed overnight that he's 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.640 not in baggage, he's actually flying a plane and I 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.440 don't know, And is this the dark magic? Again? We 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:47.800 have this whole idea that magic keeps changing Terry's reality 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.360 and therefore it does take some of the agency out 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:51.680 of the surrounding characters. 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:55.880 Yeah, I think that this has to be the magic 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:59.120 at work. I don't think that him getting the call 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:01.520 and getting the baggage expedite her job because that was 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:05.440 just the night before. Yeah, so reality has changed overnight. 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:10.760 Yeah, it would seem yeah, or something's missing, there's there's 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:15.080 a scene missing here. That's always the conundrum. But anyway, 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:18.720 the scene we cut to with the minions swinging on 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:22.240 the bird swing is absolute gold. Terry takes photos of it. 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:25.920 Liz just appears as she does because she later described 1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:27.880 she doesn't like to have to wait for someone to 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:30.560 invite her in, like it's a power thing. It's like, no, no, 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:32.200 I just walk into people's thousands. 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:37.600 Okay, there's probably an articulate statement to be made about 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:40.760 these teens hunger for power, and these teens the way 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:46.040 that the little micro choices that they find to exercise 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:50.640 that power, where you have some going to a cosmic 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:55.680 level to tap into demonic entities to gain power, which 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:58.920 again Terry speaks specifically to that that he wants that 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:02.680 power to somebody just letting themselves into a door. Somebody 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:05.000 smarter and more articulate than he could connect those dots 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:07.880 and create a more rounded statement about teens and their 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:09.600 hunger for power. But I think it's there. 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:13.760 Yeah, So Terry explains the lo Is how all this works. 1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:15.960 He's like, Okay, don't this minion is cute, but don't 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.480 be too impressed. He's just he's a mere roadie. The 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:23.640 true rock stars here are the unholy Trinity of demon lords, 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:25.919 the ones that are on the other side of the gate, 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.160 and they're so angry at being locked out that they 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:32.320 generate immense energy that can then be manipulated in the 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:37.160 form of unholy rites and manifested as wishes nothing a 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.240 capable teenage sorcerer can't handle. 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:45.040 Yeah, and they're named the three demons Israel, Shagor, and Zyklon. 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:49.320 Oh nice. So those are the three that apparently were 1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:52.240 like the John and Mo of the cosmos, where they 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:57.880 were just going around messing stuff up, and finally somebody 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:02.920 got it enough together to trap them away from everything 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:07.600 else somehow, like all dimensions, and that is what the 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:10.360 Gate is a portal too, all. 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:12.480 Right, So yeah, we get we get some some explanation 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:16.040 of how this demon worship works, and then it gets 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:20.360 super heavy as we immediately translate into Terry discussing his 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:24.520 dad's depression after his mom died, and he describes like 1:04:24.720 --> 1:04:29.680 catching him with a gun in his mouth. Yeah, so uh, real, 1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:32.600 real heavy, all out of all out of nowhere here again. 1:04:32.640 --> 1:04:34.480 Horror films are generally not a great place to look 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:39.480 for compassionate treatments of things like alcoholism, mental health issues, suicide. 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:42.720 I guess, if I'm being generous, the film at least 1:04:42.800 --> 1:04:46.200 takes this really seriously in the context of its storytelling, 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:49.280 But I also feel like, especially looking back at this movie, 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:50.600 they could have pulled back from that. They could have, 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:53.480 like with the film, with this moment, have been less 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:57.240 impactful or less efficient if Terry had just been like 1:04:57.400 --> 1:04:58.640 my dad was super depressed. 1:04:59.120 --> 1:05:03.200 Yeah, I think that it tries to get at something 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:07.760 that if you're gonna do it, shoot it and make 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:12.280 a scene with it, and find a way to have 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:17.480 that work within the larger story that you're trying to tell. 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:21.200 I think adding it as a one line description of 1:05:21.240 --> 1:05:24.520 what your dad was going through a while back doesn't 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:28.919 give it any weight. It seems schlocky to add that in, 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:32.320 And to your point, it's unnecessary at that point, and 1:05:32.400 --> 1:05:34.520 I don't think to be clear, I don't think that 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:38.040 a scene or a flashback or anything like that is necessary. 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:42.800 I think that it works more harmoniously with the vibe 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:44.960 of the movie to just say he was in a 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:48.680 very dark place, I was worried for his life, you know, 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:51.760 things like that. But yeah, I think that it does 1:05:51.840 --> 1:05:56.080 serve the purpose of Terry is not interested just in 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.400 his dad not being an alcoholic anymore. The alcoholism is 1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:01.880 not the problem, or is not the only problem that 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:05.120 Terry's dat is facing. It's a larger problem that Terry 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:07.600 is trying to fix, and so I think it does 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:11.280 justice in widening the scope a little bit, but it 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:14.080 tries to do it too quickly and too clunkily for 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:15.520 it to have any real impact. 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.600 Luckily, Liz has a solution. She's like, well, let's just 1:06:18.760 --> 1:06:22.480 use the dark magic to wish for more stuff. She says, 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:25.280 we can just wish for a cherry red corvette, and 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.840 Terry says, well, you can't do that, it's not that simple. 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.080 And then she immediately like burns just a random like 1:06:31.280 --> 1:06:34.720 piece of a Chinese takeout box in front of the 1:06:34.720 --> 1:06:37.760 demon and wishes that the rain stop, and it does, 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.600 and then Terry's like, okay, I guess it is that simple. 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:44.640 And then and then the next thing we see is 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:46.880 them tearing around town in an actual corvette. 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:51.160 Could you imagine if because the thing that's always stuck 1:06:51.400 --> 1:06:55.600 with me about Gate one and Gate two, always over 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:58.880 the past day, is that there is a wishfulfillment thing 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:02.040 happening in Gate one, but it feels so unformed, and 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:05.600 it feels like the wishes that the kids are having 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:09.760 are so generalized and broad and that they could not 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:12.160 put specific words to the things that they are wishing for. 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.200 But that's where you get Terry in a dream with 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:17.920 his mother where he ends up waking up and realizes 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.840 that he's holding the dead dog. You know, it adds 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:24.919 a weirdness to it that is heightened by the fact 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:27.640 that these kids aren't able to articulate what their what 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.760 their wish would be. They don't even know that they're 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:33.440 in a wish fulfillment situation versus cut to Gate two. 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:36.960 It's just teenagers rubbing a bottle and making wishes at 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:37.400 this point. 1:07:37.680 --> 1:07:41.160 Yeah, yeah, it basically it just goes all wish master, honestly, 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:43.960 and so, yeah, they get their corvette. They're going on 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:46.880 an epic shopping trip, just filling this corvette up with stuff, 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:50.439 tearing all over town. We get a scene where there's 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:54.440 a there's like a brief discussion of sexuality in Terry's virginity, 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:57.280 which I don't know, was kind of a nice moment. 1:07:57.360 --> 1:08:00.760 It's kind of it's kind of tastefully managed. It's not 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:01.720 played for laughs. 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:07.000 I think that what the film gets right about Liz 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.320 and Terry, and I wish that they had kind of 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:13.760 kept this intact throughout the movie was there's a sweetness there. 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:17.759 There's a friendship there, and there's an attempt to understand 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:22.599 each other happening, and it doesn't really seem romantically driven. 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:24.880 It just seems like these are two people who are 1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:28.920 looking for company and who are looking for friendship, and 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:32.400 who are looking for understanding and relatability, and they both 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:35.040 seem to have what the other person is looking for. 1:08:36.360 --> 1:08:40.680 I again, nineteen ninety it has to be romantic. It 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:44.120 can't exist unless it ends up being romantic. It was 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:47.920 pointless to do. I think there are a few movies 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:52.080 around that time that obviously don't work on that buck 1:08:52.160 --> 1:08:55.840 that trend. But I think here it is such a 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:57.960 sweetness to it, and it seems like this that are 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.240 necessary to kind of build that bomb between him. 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.320 Yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point. Now, 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:06.320 at this point in the picture, it seems like they're 1:09:06.360 --> 1:09:09.080 flying to France. We cut to them on this really 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:15.679 colorful air aircraft here and colorful interiors. 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:17.519 And a black leather jacket. I'm sorry to interrupt you, 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:19.800 but I gotta point out this wardrobe choice here in 1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:21.799 a black leather jacket and white scarves. 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:24.639 Yes, yeah, which should this should have been our first 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:27.320 morning that this is, of course the dream sequence. It 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:31.320 becomes all the more obvious as Terry walks up to 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:35.120 the front of the aircraft, and despite the flight attendant 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:36.760 telling me, you know, you can't go in there, he 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:39.400 goes into the cockpit, and of course what does he find. 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:45.800 Here's Terry's dad, just comically bobvillianly drunk and piloting the 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:51.360 aircraft like basically Barney from The Simpsons. Yeah, but in 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:53.959 a way that is I mean, it was highly disturbing. 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:57.080 I almost watched this movie on an airplane. We're trying 1:09:57.120 --> 1:09:58.760 to decide what we were going to watch, and I'm 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:01.000 not an easy flyer, so I'm glad I watched The 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:05.400 Apple on the plane instead this because this scene was 1:10:05.800 --> 1:10:07.640 I mean, not you know, it's not gross, but I 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:10.639 don't know, it's something about it. It was effective nightmare fuel. 1:10:10.880 --> 1:10:13.280 Yeah, it was. I mean, if he was playing it 1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:16.760 up before, if he was at a ten before, it's 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:19.880 at a fifty now, if you expect ragtime music to 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:23.760 be playing in the background the way that he's just 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:29.200 just exaggeratedly drunk, and then he grabs the this is 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:33.920 my ignorance of airplane equipment. He grabs the yoke in 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:35.960 the middle and pushes it all the way up, which 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:39.120 is I think crash mode. Yeah, I think he put 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.519 I think that's down is what he does with the 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:44.880 thing and says like it's time to go, let's go, 1:10:45.000 --> 1:10:49.000 you know, something to that effect, and yeah, pretty pretty, 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:49.799 pretty awful. 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:55.479 Yeah, so Terry wakes up, Liz calls, and you know, 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:57.519 we get it was just a nightmare situation. But then 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:01.160 we get one of the big reveals. The most memorable 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:03.479 thing about this movie from when I watched it at 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:07.240 least part of it back in maybe the late nineties, 1:11:08.439 --> 1:11:12.120 is that we realize that, okay, demon wishes that have 1:11:12.200 --> 1:11:15.720 been granted, they have a half life. They turn to 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:19.160 little literal excrement. The next day, they turned to poop, 1:11:19.600 --> 1:11:23.320 that is that takes up the same space as whatever 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:26.400 you wish for. So we see that in Terry's room 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:30.880 there are all these like partially gift wrap piles of poop. 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.839 Why are they wrapped? Why did they get gifts wrapped? 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.600 I don't know, Like, yeah, you'd think they they're just 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:39.880 spending like crazy. They're just like gift wrap at all. 1:11:40.080 --> 1:11:42.840 We want the added joy of unwrapping it later. 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:45.920 But yeah, then it's all like half gift, red box, 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:47.000 half pile of poop. 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:49.920 Yeah, and then a look, Gansa is out the window, 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:51.920 and this is the part I really love. There's a 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:55.439 corvette sized pile of poop just parked in front of 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.160 the house, which I thought was I think a highly 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:01.000 memorable site. Gag. And the poop is just gross looking, and. 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:03.479 Little parts of corvette sticking out of it too, like 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:06.080 it hasn't fully turned into poop yet, like it's a 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.400 gradual process and we will see you later on that 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.360 it is a gradual process. But there's like the fender 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:13.559 of the corvette is still sticking out of the pile 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:13.920 of poop. 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:18.360 Maybe those were add ons and therefore, like the rustproofing 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:22.000 doesn't turn the poop all right. So we get to 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:24.120 enjoy this comedic moment for a little bit. But then 1:12:24.160 --> 1:12:27.840 the doorbell rings and uh oh, it's people from the airline. 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:31.280 Terry's dad is well, fortunately just in the hospital, but 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.559 for a second theary it seems like he might have died. No, 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:37.200 he's in the hospital, another example of the wish having 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.400 a half life, because there was some sort of a 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:43.000 cargo plane misapp Luckily he was not flying past human 1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:45.759 passengers around. He was flying a cargo plane, but something 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:46.639 went terribly wrong. 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:50.000 Well, and so I have two questions. One was it 1:12:50.080 --> 1:12:54.160 a cargo plane on the London route? And two, so 1:12:54.400 --> 1:12:59.360 Terry's visiting him, and as Terry's leaving, we see one 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:02.720 of the repersentives from the airline on the phone with 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:06.479 somebody talking about how the father should had no business 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:10.080 being in that plane. And so again I'm trying to 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:12.760 operationalize all of this in my head and figure out 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:16.200 did the dad go rogue? Was the dad convinced by 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:18.519 the dark powers that he had been given a job 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:23.040 that he was not given? Was the representative from the 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:26.800 airline where the airline also enchanted for a moment and 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:28.760 then snapped out of it. And this guy's just trying 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:31.600 to cover his But like, what happened to get the 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:36.639 dad into this cockpit that presumably everybody is on board 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:38.800 with the fact that he had no business being in it. 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:42.840 I'm assuming the paperwork just turned to pooh, because we 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:44.599 don't have anything else to go on. There's it would 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:46.639 also I would have also gone for a scene where 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:51.719 we see the minion at a desk like making phone calls, 1:13:52.200 --> 1:13:55.479 and you know, making connections to get this to happen. 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:58.280 Just full Grimlins too at that point, yea, yeah, that 1:13:58.320 --> 1:14:01.559 would have been another interesting direction, and Forrigate to have 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:05.439 gone full Grimlins too. It holds back. 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:09.639 From that, and the representative also says on the phone call, 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:12.840 he never got off the ground. Yeah, So where did 1:14:12.840 --> 1:14:13.880 the accident happen? 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.879 Somewhere between here and London. Maybe it was London, Ontario. 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:18.720 We didn't think about that. 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:20.680 But if he was in the airport the whole time, 1:14:20.720 --> 1:14:22.559 did he just run into something at the airport? 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:26.280 I don't know. They don't They just don't give us 1:14:26.280 --> 1:14:27.120 the details to go on. 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:28.080 T boar. 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:29.680 You got to get at us and let us know 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:33.000 what specifically happened to the dad. We just know that 1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:35.200 he's out of commission, way out of commission. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.320 Meanwhile, John and Moe they'd seen they'd seen the corvette 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:52.160 the night before, so they know something's up. So they 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.799 confront Liz and she ins this note Terry's just a friend. 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:57.160 But of course John is not going to be happy 1:14:57.160 --> 1:14:59.280 with that. He ends up going over to Terry's house, 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:02.080 roughing him up in the face. Yeah, and they say, well, 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:03.840 we're going to take the little dude for a ride, 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:07.000 reveal that they have already broken into the house, trash 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:09.680 the place, and they've stolen the Minion. 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:14.080 And put him in a drawstring bag, which seems not enough. 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.080 Yeah, yeah, because it's not a magic bag. It's just 1:15:17.400 --> 1:15:20.120 a sack. There is stuff ym in a sack. They're 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:22.920 going there, tearing around town in their car. Now they 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:25.080 have the Minion in the back seat. And then I 1:15:25.120 --> 1:15:27.240 guess this is one of our stoner moments that was 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:31.680 perhaps added after the fact. They're shotgunning the Minion. So 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:35.160 Moe's in the back seat smoking the reefer and then 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:38.200 blowing the dope smoke into the bag, and I guess 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:40.720 he's trying to get the Minion high. I don't think 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:42.519 it really works on the Minion, or it doesn't work 1:15:42.520 --> 1:15:43.720 in the way that they are hoping for. 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.360 Well, I think that what you're saying. And this is 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.040 the scene I thought about earlier when you said that 1:15:49.080 --> 1:15:51.640 they added some more drug humor into this or some 1:15:51.680 --> 1:15:54.559 more drug elements into this. You never see the Minion 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:57.120 in this scene. You see they blow it into the bag, 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:01.120 the bag starts to shake and refer you hear the 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:04.880 Minion's voice, but you don't see him, And you would 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:08.879 think that a scene like this has the obvious visual 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:13.200 payoff of the minion being high, that you would get 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:16.360 that part of it. And the fact that you don't 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.400 get that tells me that yes, this was an insert 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.240 and no, they did not have a special effects budget 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:24.439 for this, and like they had already spent that money 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:28.559 well before this scene was even conceived, you know, So 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:30.000 it did feel very. 1:16:32.360 --> 1:16:32.800 Tacked on. 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:36.479 But what wasn't tacked on was the scene where the 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:38.559 minion eventually does get out of the bag. 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:41.160 Yeah, jumps out of the bag and just starts clawing 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:44.040 them up, just clawn them in the face, biting their faces. 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.320 They almost run head on into a tractor trailer rig 1:16:47.360 --> 1:16:51.120 they barely avoid death, and then John beats the minion down, 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:53.799 Moe uses a fire extinguisher on it for some reason, 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:56.880 they tie it up, and then now they've decided they're 1:16:56.880 --> 1:16:58.880 going to actually get something out of this, they start 1:16:58.920 --> 1:17:02.519 burning money and front all the minion and wish for 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:03.720 more money. 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:05.439 Which how did they know how to do that? 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.280 Yeah, or wouldn't they remember some of this from the beginning, 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:13.920 because again they had this huge peak into the unseen world, 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:16.280 and then they just kind of forgot about it and 1:17:16.439 --> 1:17:20.400 until they roughed up Terry and took his minion, and 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.479 then they're like, oh, yeah, we can do black magic now, 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:23.439 so let's do it. 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:26.200 I guess they didn't need to go around that corner 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:28.559 that Liz and Terry went around to say, Well, if 1:17:28.600 --> 1:17:31.280 we just burn the thing something resembling what we want 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:34.599 in front of him, it will give us that wish. Again, 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:38.599 don't know how the piece of the Chinese food box 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:42.439 makes the rain stop. Don't know if they explained to that, 1:17:42.520 --> 1:17:44.519 but everything else seems to be pretty one to one 1:17:44.560 --> 1:17:48.840 of what you're wishing for. So I don't know how 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:52.599 they landed at that, but I'm willing to allow that 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.000 their brains connected that initial ritual with hey, let's try 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:58.080 and burn money in front of him to get rich. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:00.360 The other part of it, which we kind of blew past, 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:04.120 was this scene where they're getting trashed by the minion 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:07.320 in the car, which I loved. Had an element to 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:11.519 it where John is driving the car. He's in the 1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:14.439 back seat basically like he's leaned into the back seat 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:17.519 dealing with the minion. His leg is stuck in the 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:22.200 steering wheel, which is controlling the car. So you get 1:18:22.320 --> 1:18:24.439 external shots of the car and it's zigging and zagging 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:27.280 left and right. I really loved that as a horror 1:18:27.360 --> 1:18:32.719 element of I can feel the anxiety of being trapped 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:37.760 in a situation that is making your condition worse, and 1:18:38.200 --> 1:18:41.040 it's only a matter of time before it really really 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.120 messes you up, and there's nothing you can do about 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:45.600 it because you're just far away enough to not be 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:47.640 able to do anything about it. Moe jumps in and 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:49.479 sees it happening and tries to grab the wheel and 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:51.760 steer it himself a little bit, but. 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:54.200 I use his hand on the brake. And also it's 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:56.080 pretty pretty complex action scene. 1:18:56.280 --> 1:19:00.120 Yeah, I thought that was pretty effective horror. So I 1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:01.799 gotta get flowers where they're. 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:05.800 Do So at this point, the plot is going to 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:08.759 continue on two rails that will eventually come back together. 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:12.560 On one hand, we've got Terry's dad in the hospital 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:15.840 Terry visits, and we also have Liz to show up 1:19:15.920 --> 1:19:18.720 on and out behind him like a vampire. And then 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:23.000 meanwhile John and Moe they might not have really known 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.479 how black magic works, but the minion is like, I 1:19:25.520 --> 1:19:27.600 don't care. There are no real rules here. If you 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:29.479 burn money in front of you, I will give you 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:35.880 sorceress money, and so they're out for comic effect to 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:39.080 do some fine dining. They go to the finest restaurant 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:42.280 in town and are ordering just everything. They order a 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.040 whole bunch of s car goats, as Mo calls them, 1:19:45.040 --> 1:19:47.000 off the menu, and just living it up. 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:49.559 Yeah, yeah, this is the best the movie gets as 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:54.280 far as I'm concerned. This basically everything from the Wishfulfillment 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:58.080 on is as good as the movie gets because it's fun, 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:01.000 the action is moving, and then here you get this. 1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:04.280 These guys could not be more fish out of water, 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:07.200 but they have all the cards because they have the money, 1:20:07.280 --> 1:20:11.000 and this place has completely folded to them to give 1:20:11.040 --> 1:20:13.720 them whatever they want because they are just They're just 1:20:13.960 --> 1:20:17.160 throwing money in every direction. There are hoity toity rich 1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:21.880 people all around the restaurant that do not really seem 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:27.439 bothered by these rubes at this point, just yucking it 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:29.960 up in the middle of the restaurant, But that soon 1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:30.839 is going to change. 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:34.040 That's right. The staff sees that Moe has just a 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:38.360 fat roll of bills here, so they're not worried. John 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:42.400 is beginning to experience body horror symptoms. However, it's a 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:46.280 little vague about why these are, why of this is 1:20:46.280 --> 1:20:48.759 happening to him. I get it's like maybe they're scratches 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:52.120 from the minion. That would seem the most logical connection 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:54.320 to be made here. But he's having a hard time 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.800 and eventually he's like, I've got to run off to 1:20:56.840 --> 1:21:00.680 the bathroom, and so he does, and mean while, uh 1:21:01.080 --> 1:21:02.880 Mo's gonna go ahead and settle up the check and 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:06.840 we get this wonderful scene where the the server leaves 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:08.840 the bill with him. He gets out that fat roll 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.240 of bills. He gets a he counts out, you know, 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:13.880 a nice amount there, So I assume there's a nice 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:15.760 tip there. He seems like a tipper. He's going to 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:18.679 give at least twenty percent. He goes to slap those 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:21.000 bills down and they immediately turn to poop. 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.679 Yeah, and you get this look on the server's face. 1:21:25.000 --> 1:21:27.479 So Moe takes the wad out from his pocket and 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:29.960 he's feeling pretty smoke about it. We the viewer see 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.720 that it's a wad of cash, but the server has 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:36.439 a strange look on his face. Oh, and I think 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:39.559 that he sees it already as poop. So oh, that's 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:42.639 the server has seen Mo pull a handful of poop 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:47.599 out of his pocket, thumb through and start to slap 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.040 it down. Both roads converge at the point that he 1:21:50.080 --> 1:21:52.400 slapped it down on the on the table and sees 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:53.120 that it's poop. 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:56.200 Wait wait, wait, Does that mean that the previous night 1:21:56.320 --> 1:21:59.320 the corvette was already poop and they were there at 1:21:59.360 --> 1:22:01.360 least some period of time where the corvette was poop. 1:22:01.560 --> 1:22:06.240 I sure hope not, but it's entirely possible because the 1:22:06.240 --> 1:22:08.960 note that I had at this scene was, these other 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.519 people in the restaurant don't smell that this guy has 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:16.519 a pocket full of poop, Like it does not seem 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:18.400 to have an odor to it, So it seems like 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:21.960 it can exist and be unrecognizable until the moment you 1:22:22.000 --> 1:22:24.040 either touch it or put eyes on it. I think 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.080 in Liz and Terry's case, they went to bed and 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:29.920 they woke up and it was all poop. So maybe 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:33.200 that the poopening happened like while they were asleep, But 1:22:33.760 --> 1:22:37.000 with John and Mo, it happened really quickly and in 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:37.679 their presence. 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:41.880 Yeah, and for maximum cinematic zeal too, I mean, just 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:43.519 did a maximum cinematic effect here. 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:48.679 Yeah, the level of freak outness that the rich people 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:50.680 in this restaurant get from this point through the end 1:22:50.680 --> 1:22:52.559 of the scene is chef's kiss. 1:22:52.800 --> 1:22:55.559 Yeah, Because meanwhile John is having a terrible time in 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:59.280 the bathroom, experiencing again all these body heart symptoms like 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:03.479 crazy z it's popping. There's a gross, gross, like monster 1:23:03.680 --> 1:23:06.160 zip popping scene on the mirror. And then he goes 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:10.599 into the stall and is screaming, and the server who 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:14.599 comes in or one of the employees at the restaurant 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.679 is like, Suria, okay, and he screams, and he's like, well, 1:23:17.720 --> 1:23:20.720 I better better pass this up to management. I'm not 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:23.559 authorized to do anything about this. And so someone else 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:25.320 comes in and they're like Sariah, okay. And then he 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:27.000 like busts through the wall. 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:29.680 Yeah yeah, bust out of the door, bust through the 1:23:29.720 --> 1:23:34.479 wall of the bathroom into the dining room, runs through it, 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:37.240 knocking tables and stuff out of the way, jumps out 1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:41.080 the window seemingly, So you get this vibe that he's 1:23:41.120 --> 1:23:46.000 like Tasmanian devil level uncontrollable. Then the very next like 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.840 seconds later, you see the car pull into the scene, 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:51.719 so it's like, okay, So this guy then like reached 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:53.920 in his pocket, got his keys, got in the driver's seat, 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:55.960 started the car up, did a three point turn and 1:23:56.000 --> 1:24:00.519 got on the road. Whatever is driving and then crashes 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:02.479 the car like within sight of the shot just a 1:24:02.520 --> 1:24:07.960 little bit further down the street, Bananas bananas, and the 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:15.080 diners in the restaurant are pearl clutching, gasping, looking around 1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:17.439 in alarm like it's exactly what you want to see 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:19.360 out of out of the rich people that are being 1:24:19.400 --> 1:24:21.120 disrupted in this scene. 1:24:21.920 --> 1:24:23.960 All right, So at this point things are going to 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:28.120 begin to come back together. So we uh, you know, 1:24:28.280 --> 1:24:30.920 we hear more from Terry and Liz on their side 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:33.400 of things, like Terry has decided we had to do 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:37.920 something about these deams that that again he resummoned at 1:24:37.920 --> 1:24:39.680 the beginning of the picture, I've. 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:41.679 Decided to do something about the demon. 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:45.360 Yes, and so I guess there's some research. We didn't 1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:47.120 get to see the research happen, but he knows that 1:24:47.160 --> 1:24:51.120 there's basically the scheme that needs to be employed involving 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:53.439 a vessel of the dead, where a certain box is 1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:55.800 going to be prepared and you're gonna, you know, there's 1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:57.519 gonna be a number of items you have to put 1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:59.640 in the box, and this is going to allow you 1:24:59.680 --> 1:25:02.920 to the demons. The box is going to be something 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:07.040 that was presented earlier in the picture, this music box 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:09.679 of his mother's, of his late mother's one where you 1:25:09.720 --> 1:25:12.120 open the lid, there's a little dancing girl that begins 1:25:12.160 --> 1:25:13.360 to turn in music place. 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:16.200 Yep, that's right, that's right. It felt a little bit 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:20.360 dis x machina at this point, but again, it's not 1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:21.840 a Hey, we don't know if it's going to work 1:25:21.920 --> 1:25:24.920 or not, but we know that it's it's it's a 1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:29.960 step towards a more formal resolution, which is in line 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:32.080 with what Terry was trying to do in the first place. 1:25:32.400 --> 1:25:35.960 Yeah. Meanwhile, Mo shows back up. He's frantic. He's in 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:39.679 a bad place. He's like, something's happened to John. Come 1:25:39.720 --> 1:25:42.880 with me. He's in the depth of the factory. So 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:45.160 I guess that's where he took him. You know, it's 1:25:45.160 --> 1:25:46.200 like nobody's there at night. 1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:49.240 I don't have an steel doors steal doors of course, 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:53.720 that's yeah, Moe says it. He's like, he, well, all right, 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.120 let's be half charitable. Mo says steel doors several times. 1:25:57.479 --> 1:25:59.960 And it took me realizing, Oh so that John can't 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:00.880 break out of them. 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:04.120 But yeah, so that's where they're headed. They're like, Okay, 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:05.800 we've got to go see what's up with John. He's 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:08.479 a character we clearly care about. We don't want him 1:26:08.479 --> 1:26:13.120 to be a gross monster, and so yeah, they they 1:26:13.120 --> 1:26:16.160 spend an enormous amount of time wandering in this factory 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.040 looking for John. It felt felt like to me they 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:20.280 pad this out a little bit. 1:26:21.600 --> 1:26:22.600 It's a big factory. 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:25.280 It is a big factory, and he's just in there somewhere, 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.120 and we see that he has fully mutated into a 1:26:28.200 --> 1:26:34.000 hulking stop motion demon. Very ray Harry Howsen. Yeah, nice effect, 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:36.040 very similar to what we saw in the first movie. 1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:38.280 There's a moment here where they are looking through this 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:42.320 endless factory and Liz is about to climb a ladder 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:44.840 and you see a demonic hand reach out from the 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:48.000 darkness to the other side of that ladder, and that's 1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:52.639 where you hear John speaking to Liz and credit where 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:56.280 credits too. He pulls off this kind of fearful I'm 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:59.120 a teenager, but really I'm still a kid voice of 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:03.320 somebody who scared about what's happening to him. That I 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:05.400 really felt, and that was the point at which I 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:07.280 was like, oh, okay, this guy's work up to this 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:12.200 point has led me to the part where to embrace 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:16.320 this kid's fear and sympathize for him in a way 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:17.760 that I hadn't expected myself to. 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:20.320 But then it seems like something's happening to Moe's body 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:24.040 as well. He's experiencing symptoms, but as he's climbing the ladder, 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:26.160 his heart gives out or seems to give out, and 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:29.120 he seems to fall to his death. Then John, in 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:33.240 full demon mode, leaps down and carries his body away. 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:35.519 He seems like he can no longer speak, but his 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:37.120 shrieks and howls like a monster. 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:41.440 Now, yeah, he accelerated quickly with Mo. It is Chekhov's 1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:45.599 Heart where the heart finally gives at the worst possible moment. 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:49.280 It feels like Moe is now firmly aligned with Liz 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:55.160 and Terry because he has seen what happens if you're not. Yeah, 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:59.759 he's solutions oriented at this point, but yeah, the heart gives. 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:04.120 He dies and unfortunately gets swept up into whatever John's 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:04.680 mixed up in. 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:07.559 Now at this point, Terry realizes, uh, oh, the demon 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:11.360 lords are not coming through a physical gait. They're coming 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:14.479 through each of us, or at least through the three 1:28:14.920 --> 1:28:18.439 male characters here anyway, And so he's like, well, we gotta, 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:20.880 we gotta again. I gotta stop this now. And at 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:22.400 this point I did get a chuck out of the 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.040 fact that he calls upon the noble gods of Light 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:29.160 to empower the magic vessel to stop everything. Like suddenly, 1:28:29.160 --> 1:28:33.120 now he's like, oh, non demons out there in the 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:37.320 supernatural realm, I need your help. I'm done trying to 1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:42.160 manipulate the evil forces out there. Now I'm calling them 1:28:42.160 --> 1:28:42.839 the good guys. 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:47.479 Yeah, I got a real mom. Yeah I'm from this. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:51.560 Yeah, isn't it always the case? But the gods of 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:54.160 noble gods of light, and they're like, okay, we'll empower 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:56.920 your magic music box, and they do it. It glows, 1:28:57.000 --> 1:29:00.720 it smokes it, there's some some fun light effects, and 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.400 they take this thing to Glenn's old house, the site 1:29:03.439 --> 1:29:06.760 of the original gate opening and the site of their 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:11.439 previous summoning earlier in the picture. We get another minion attack, 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:14.200 we get the scene where Moe is suddenly back and 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:17.519 he's like, oh, hey, I'm fine, guys. But then oh, 1:29:17.600 --> 1:29:21.839 there's another big reveal he is now fully demon bodied himself. 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:25.360 Yeah, yeah, he's pretty. He's pretty smug too, And I 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:27.439 gotta say I got a real Buffy the Vampire Slayer 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:31.479 Angel vibe from this scene where maybe it starts with 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:35.960 the smugness, but the creature designed as well of the 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:40.639 articulate demons, they're a different special effect than the stop 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:43.439 motion demons. Like if they've got to speak and you've 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:46.759 got to be convinced that they are saying actual words, 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:50.200 that's where it becomes a costume. And that costume work 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:53.800 was very buffy asque, very angel asque, but effective. I 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:55.840 thought like I believed it. 1:29:56.280 --> 1:30:00.840 Yeah, And the actor playing Mo it seems like he 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:02.920 gets to to do his own acting in the suit, 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:05.120 so yeah, it seems like he has a lot of 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:08.960 fun with it. So yeah, we get the demon body revealed. 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:13.479 John grabs Liz Terry falls through a grave through the 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:17.400 gate into like the green other world, the desert world 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:20.760 that we've got a glimpse of earlier. And from here 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:24.360 where the final step piece, this ruined temple that you know, 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:27.200 there's like all this left is like stairs going up 1:30:27.240 --> 1:30:29.560 to an altar, and of course who is prepared on 1:30:29.600 --> 1:30:32.800 the altar for sacrifice. Well, it's Liz, of course, and 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:36.080 the two demons are there, or at least at first, 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:39.519 the mo demon is there, and it's revealed I'm not 1:30:39.560 --> 1:30:42.000 going to be the one to sacrifice her, Terry, You're 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:43.880 going to be the one to track to sacrifice here, 1:30:43.920 --> 1:30:47.519 and Terry begins to transform into the third demon Lord. 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.920 It does seem unnecessary that Terry has to be the 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.400 one to sacrifice. It would be so much easier, and 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:55.800 it seems like it's within the rules for any of 1:30:55.840 --> 1:30:59.320 the demons to sacrifice her. It seems more cruel to say, well, 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:01.080 you're the one with the heart, we need you to 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.000 do this to demonstrate that you're on our side, which 1:31:04.040 --> 1:31:07.720 is a very human layer to put onto this what 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:12.000 I would presume to be an uncaring, unfeeling cosmic demon arrangement. 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.240 You know, well, I think it's the screw tape principle, 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:16.960 you know, like the demon has to ask themselves, Okay, 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:19.679 I've only got to do this one thing to conquer 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:23.240 the Earth realm. But have I tempted the protagonist enough? 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:23.559 Right? 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.320 And inevitably the answer is no, I have not got 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:28.000 to do a little more of that before checking the 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:31.200 box right now. During all this, we get this scene 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:35.960 where Terry transforms and his monster suit is even more grotesque, 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:39.200 to the point where it's a different actor in the costume. 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:42.880 We alluded to this earlier talking about the monster suit actor. 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:47.040 And he's ready to do it. He gets the knife. 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:51.839 He's going to sacrifice Liz. But then the minion escapes 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:54.719 from the box, and since the box is his mother's 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:58.160 music box, when it opens, it begins to play the music, 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:02.720 and this brings Terry out of this possessed state. It 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.720 gives him this doubt and he hesitates with the knife. Yeah. 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:09.360 I kind of like this in a Gallimsque sense, where 1:32:10.080 --> 1:32:14.400 all of the pieces that have been arranged are doing 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:16.920 their I won't want to say predictable parts, but they're 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:19.599 playing the one role that they're there to play. Yeah, 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:22.000 and you see that this was the reason for the 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:27.800 minion from a plot perspective, to be this thing that 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.800 snaps Terry out of his trance. I do want to 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:34.200 say that Terry's transformation is the most impressive of the 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:36.360 three to me, because we it's the one that we 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:39.640 see the most. We see Terry realize that one of 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:42.439 his hands has changed seconds later we see that his 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:45.080 other hand has changed seconds later, and this is all 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:48.320 aided by cutaways that we don't have to actually look 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:50.719 at a visual transformation, so a bit of a savings 1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:53.400 there on the budget. But then we cut back and 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:55.919 we see that even more of him. He's completely transformed, 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.840 but even then he's half Terry, half this beast. You know, 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:00.040 it's really. 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:04.519 It's like a buff Nonsfaratu, a really hulking Nosferatu character, 1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:07.559 also very buffy, very shades of the Master. 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:11.040 I would say, yeah, yeah, and you know, a partial 1:33:11.080 --> 1:33:14.479 hair loss and a scraggliness of hair that is really 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:19.519 visually kind of grotesque and unkempt, but also a spoiler 1:33:19.520 --> 1:33:23.479 alert when when he's not a demon anymore, all that 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:25.479 hair coming back is kind of alarming as well. 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:32.040 The Gods of Light they bring everything back, so we 1:33:32.360 --> 1:33:34.680 get the predictable thing at this point, you know, the 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.559 empower the vessel again. They throw it into the pit 1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:41.639 slash gate. There's light screaming, and then the demon lords 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:44.280 are defeated. Liz is back in the house, Glenn's old house, 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:48.240 seemingly alone, but no, she finds Terry's body and he 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:49.960 does not seem to have survived. 1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:54.840 That's right, that's right, all right, p Terry, It's not clear. 1:33:55.800 --> 1:33:58.479 It's I had to wait until the next scene until 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:02.240 I was sure that he was actually dead and not 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:03.960 just unconscious or passed. 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:07.080 Out, because we cut to the cemetery. It's a funeral. Oh, 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:10.080 and there we see there's Terry's dad, he's attending, and 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.320 there's Liz. This is Terry's funeral. 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:17.720 Yeah, Terry, Terry's dad and Liz, who do not know 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:20.680 each other, I have never met each other. Liz has 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:23.320 seen him, but he has not seen her, and her 1:34:23.320 --> 1:34:25.800 early vision of him, or view of him, has been 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:29.240 in a hospital bed with an unintelligible face because it's 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:31.840 all covered up in bandages. They're sitting next to each 1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:35.880 other at the funeral. Terry's dad has a crutch, so 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:40.360 he's field almost completely, just one crutch. 1:34:40.920 --> 1:34:42.759 That's another gift from the gods of light, I guess. 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:46.200 But I really thought, Oh, I guess this is our ending. 1:34:46.280 --> 1:34:48.880 They're going to give us a real downer and Terry's dead. 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:51.680 I was just I was already writing it up in 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:53.920 my head. I was like, all right, fun film but 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:58.880 unnecessarily bleak ending. Yeah, But then what happens. Terry busts 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:02.160 out of the casket. He scares everyone away. Everyone runs 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:06.800 off comically into the woods. Everyone except Liz and Dad. 1:35:07.200 --> 1:35:11.160 And Terry comes out of the casket wearing the black 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:15.080 leather jacket and the white scarf from the plane dream. 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:20.160 Oh man hugs Liz, who is also wearing the black 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:25.000 leather jacket from the plane dream. So it wasn't a dream. 1:35:25.080 --> 1:35:27.880 They got these clothes from where? 1:35:28.360 --> 1:35:29.759 Oh? Or we're still in a dream. 1:35:30.040 --> 1:35:33.320 That's what I thought it was, because, yeah, I thought 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.240 that the movie was going to be that elegant. 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:37.200 Oh yeah, they're gonna have like a Freddy Krueger moment. 1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:38.640 Yeah, but no. 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:42.960 Instead, Yeah, Terry is like, this is awesome. This is 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:46.120 exactly everything I want as a teenage warlock, is to 1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.160 emerge from my own funeral and scare the heck out 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:52.720 of everybody. He and Liz kiss again. I you know, 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:55.920 especially from a modern standpoint, I feel like it would 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:59.160 have been cooler if if they'd just been bff's. But 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:02.400 you know, what can you do? So they walk off, 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:06.559 the three of them. Everything's everything's fixed, everything's thing's light 1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:09.880 and happy again. And as they're walking off, two more 1:36:09.960 --> 1:36:13.519 figures climb out of the casket clown car style clown casket. 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:14.479 It's mowen John. 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:21.960 Yeah, which I was legit delighted at this point, like 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:26.799 this movie was so silly, and of course it needed 1:36:26.840 --> 1:36:29.320 to have a silly ending. It didn't need to take 1:36:29.320 --> 1:36:32.800 itself too seriously. Where this movie fails is when it 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:36.120 takes itself too seriously, and I feel like it needs 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:39.880 to do it to explain some of the more cosmic 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:43.000 aspects of what's going on. It still doesn't explain them, 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:45.559 but it needs to take itself seriously to kind of 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:50.040 lay that groundwork. But it's it's clearly enjoying itself the 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:52.560 most when it's just having fun, and this was a 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:53.840 very fun way to end it. 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:58.120 Yeah, John says demons. Man, who needs chicks when you've 1:36:58.160 --> 1:37:00.400 got demons? I'm not sure what that means. 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:05.479 Well, calls back to an earlier line where when Liz 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:08.839 tells John that Terry is just a friend, she leaves 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:11.439 and John turns to Moe and says, who needs demons 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:12.320 when you got chicks? 1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:16.880 Ah sop and verse of that. Yeah, it's the last 1:37:16.920 --> 1:37:19.439 line in the film. We rolled the credits, but then 1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:23.879 there is a stinger, and we see one more creature 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:26.960 crawl out of the casket and it is the Hamster 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:30.000 of the sacrifice earlier in the film. It crawls out 1:37:30.040 --> 1:37:32.400 of the casket as well. It is okay, it is 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:35.560 no longer dead. This echoes I believe their treatment of 1:37:35.600 --> 1:37:37.000 the dog from the last film. 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:39.720 Yeah, I gotta I gotta be honest. I texted you 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:43.599 last night when I finished the movie with a woof, 1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:48.120 at which point you said, well, did you watch all 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:49.800 the way through the credits And I said no, I 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:51.640 did not, and you recommended that I do it. And 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.599 I'm glad you did because that was that's what that's 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:55.840 what stingers are for. 1:37:56.280 --> 1:37:59.760 Yeah, redeemed the whole picture. Yeah, and Bitigan also shows that, like, 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:02.719 despite it playing, this is a film that, despite playing 1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:06.240 with some tougher subject matter and a few scenes and 1:38:06.360 --> 1:38:09.960 toying with life and death, ultimately this film has this 1:38:10.080 --> 1:38:12.680 heart of gold where it's like, no, we're having a 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:15.880 zero body count, not not even the Hamster dies in 1:38:15.920 --> 1:38:16.400 this film. 1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:17.000 Yeah. 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:22.599 Yeah, I think it's tough for me because just make 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:25.880 a fun movie, just have fun, and then you had 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:27.560 to make it an R rated movie, You had to 1:38:27.600 --> 1:38:29.840 add stuff into making an R rated movie. You're setting 1:38:29.840 --> 1:38:32.360 a bar that you don't need to clear, that doesn't 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:36.360 need to exist. And the Gate suffered from this as well, 1:38:36.360 --> 1:38:38.080 Like it just wanted to be a fun movie, but 1:38:38.160 --> 1:38:40.160 felt like it needed to be something a little bit 1:38:40.280 --> 1:38:42.599 more than that, or something a little bit harder than that. 1:38:43.040 --> 1:38:46.000 I think that there's room for just a silly, fun 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:48.800 movie that has a little bit of cosmic horror to it. 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.560 But maybe that's just a testament to, you know, the 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.559 era that it came out in, when maybe you couldn't 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:56.000 have that. 1:38:56.760 --> 1:38:59.080 So are you saying maybe we need like a Gate 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:00.679 three Minions at Manhattan. 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:04.799 I think we need a full Gate remake. Just reboot 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:08.320 the franchise from Gate one. Make it a kid's movie, 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:11.599 Sell it as a kid's movie, do a trailer as 1:39:11.640 --> 1:39:13.840 a kid's movie, make it a little bit scary, go 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:18.040 like Jack Black goosebumps, you know, and then you. 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:19.960 Can you can call it Minions, right, because I mean 1:39:20.000 --> 1:39:21.000 they had them first. 1:39:21.160 --> 1:39:24.200 Yes, Capitol and Minions our minions or what was the 1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:27.160 would the Ghostbusters do the real Minions? 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:29.080 Yes, these will be the real Minions. 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:31.719 That's it. That's it. I think we got something. 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:34.280 I think so let's let's let's get the director on 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.920 the horn. All right, Dave, Well, thanks for coming back 1:39:37.960 --> 1:39:41.840 on the show to finish out the Gate franchise the 1:39:41.880 --> 1:39:43.800 Gate Verse with me here, Rob, It. 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:47.240 Was my pleasure. We're gonna do Survivors at some point. 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:49.519 We'll do a miniso. Maybe we'll do it on the 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:50.439 Talking to Foo feed. 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:53.000 Yeah, what's what's going on with Talking to Food right now? 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:55.200 Anything you want to promote, anything you want to hype. 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:57.120 Well, yeah, we're in a bit of a holiday break 1:39:57.200 --> 1:40:00.840 right now, which means we're doing minisodes. But but I 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:02.760 mean that's just for a couple of weeks. We'll be 1:40:02.800 --> 1:40:05.320 back probably second week of January. I'm not sure when 1:40:05.320 --> 1:40:08.200 this is coming out. With our full episodes, what we 1:40:08.280 --> 1:40:12.439 typically do is we'll do some takeout from somewhere. We'll 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:18.400 focus around a snack that is either intentionally or accidentally vegan, 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:23.160 but something that's appropriately junky and accessible to mini folks. 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:28.120 My wife and I are vegans. We really try to 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:32.000 go through kind of the fun side of veganism. It's 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:35.000 not a very heavy handed podcast. It's more just the 1:40:35.000 --> 1:40:37.360 two of us bs ing with each other and eventually 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:41.000 getting around to the food right now, it's probably forty 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:44.599 percent roller skating content, twenty percent Dungeons and Dragons balders 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:47.280 Gate content, and then we finally get around to trying 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:51.800 some candy or some food. Most recently, I think, well, 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:54.360 what we've got up in the hopper. We found some 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:58.400 cheese sticks, some mozzarella cheese sticks that are banging. We 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:01.639 found recently some this is holidays right now. We found 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.679 some oat milk truffles, some of those lender Lin balls 1:41:04.880 --> 1:41:07.479 that they made some plant based versions of those that 1:41:07.520 --> 1:41:10.759 we went out and tried those. Spoiler alert. They're amazing. 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:13.280 You don't need to listen to that episode. But yeah, 1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:17.880 it's it's mostly just a lot of non sequiturs of 1:41:17.960 --> 1:41:20.439 us just enjoying each other's company. And we got to 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:21.559 get you on there, Rob. 1:41:21.760 --> 1:41:25.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah, well let's line something up. Yeah, So 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:27.720 check out Talking Tofu. You can get it where we 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:28.920 get your podcasts. 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:31.600 Right, yeah, yeah, anywhere, and you can reach out to 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.519 us at TALKINTOFU pod at gmail dot com. That's talking 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:38.160 without the G. Talking TOFU pod again without the G 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:41.599 is our Instagram handle. So yeah, you can reach out 1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:44.479 with us there. We're pretty chatty awesome. Well as far 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:47.360 as Weird House Cinema goes. So just remind everybody that 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:49.599 here in the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast feed. 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:52.280 We're primarily a science podcast, but on Fridays we set 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:53.439 aside most serious concerns. 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:55.040 You just talk about a weird movie. You're on Weird 1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:56.920 House Cinema. If you want to see a list of 1:41:56.960 --> 1:41:59.120 all the movies we've covered on Weird House Cinema over 1:41:59.120 --> 1:42:01.680 the years, you can go to letterbox dot com. It's 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:03.439 l E T T E R B O x D 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:07.720 dot com. Very fun website for chronicling your own cinematic 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:11.680 adventures and discoveries and explorations and your favorites. We have 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.320 a profile there weird House look us up. We have 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:16.240 a list of all the movies we've covered over the years, 1:42:16.280 --> 1:42:18.959 and you can you can pull them up and organize 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:22.400 them by genre, decade, and so forth. It's a lot 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:22.719 of fun. 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:26.000 What do you think the gate to community on letterbox 1:42:26.040 --> 1:42:26.439 looks like? 1:42:28.880 --> 1:42:31.360 I mean, it's probably pretty sizable. You know this. These 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:33.439 are films that I you know, I think they may 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:37.720 not have had a huge impact on everyone's upbringing. You know, 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:41.840 they're not like Central Pillars, but I think they're films 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:44.800 that that people look back on fondly. You know, they're 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:48.040 films that that that when they're when they're succeeding, when 1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:51.160 they're working, they are capturing this sense of like young 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:52.360 supernatural adventure. 1:42:52.640 --> 1:42:56.479 Yeah, yeah, I think I was shocked that this had 1:42:56.520 --> 1:42:58.760 a theatrical release at all. I would have sworn that 1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:01.160 it would have been a straight to video. But I agree. 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:01.960 It's a comfort watch. 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:02.559 It's charming. 1:43:02.840 --> 1:43:06.680 It's uh as comforting as a movie where lots of 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.240 stuff turns into poop can be. 1:43:09.120 --> 1:43:09.240 Uh. 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:11.599 It's it's it's it's a fun time. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.080 It's a great olm. I'm surprised he didn't like re 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:16.680 Explore the Sun. Beavis and buttheads and butthead get a 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:19.040 minion and it turns all their wishes into poop. It's perfect. 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:20.800 I can just see it unfolding right. 1:43:20.760 --> 1:43:22.080 Or from you got pictures for Days. 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:24.599 I love it. Yeah, that's that's what we do, lots 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:26.439 of free ideas. That's why that's why you listen to 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:29.960 Weird House Cinema. 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