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Speaker 2: Still have openings with the Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, and
Speaker 2: the Saints, and you start to wonder, what are these
Speaker 2: teams waiting for?
Speaker 3: Who are they waiting for?
Speaker 2: If you're waiting for somebody who is still in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: then I can understand that. But Cliff Kingsbury, he says
Speaker 2: that he's comfortable being the offensive coordinator for the Commanders
Speaker 2: until you get a head coaching offer, and then maybe
Speaker 2: you're not as comfortable there. It's nice to have Jayden
Speaker 2: Daniels there, but Cliff Kingsbury would probably like another shot.
Speaker 2: I think he's only forty five, but like another shot
Speaker 2: at being a head coach. It didn't go well the
Speaker 2: first time around with Arizona, but he has since been
Speaker 2: a kind of a reclamation project here. You know, the
Speaker 2: same with Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got kicked to the
Speaker 2: curb by the Cowboys, went to the Chargers, and now
Speaker 2: he's with the Eagles, and I guess he might be
Speaker 2: the leading candidate for the Cowboy right now. But how
Speaker 2: old is Cliff Kingsbury thirty six? No, Kellen Moore thirty six? Easter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury I think is in his forties there. But
Speaker 2: you have openings here, Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints. Aaron
Speaker 2: Glenn reportedly will get an offer from the Jets. Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Maybe he has his choice here. Maybe that that's holding
Speaker 2: up the Jags and the Saints. The Raiders' situation. The Raiders,
Speaker 2: by all accounts, wanted Ben Johnson, thought they were going
Speaker 2: to get Ben Johnson. Tom Brady spent an hour talking
Speaker 2: to Ben Johnson last week. And you know, when they
Speaker 2: fired Antonio Peers, I wasn't surprised. I said, all along,
Speaker 2: Tom Brady's going to come in. He's going to be
Speaker 2: running the show. They fired him, and then they waited
Speaker 2: a couple of days and they fired their GM, Tom Telesco.
Speaker 2: And Telesco was only there for a year, And I thought, okay,
Speaker 2: you fired your coach. But then when you fire your GM,
Speaker 2: it feels like the coach you want to bring in
Speaker 2: wants to bring in his own GM, or at least
Speaker 2: have a collaborative effort here of let's decide this together
Speaker 2: of who is going to be the general manager? Did
Speaker 2: Tom Brady think that Ben Johnson was going to come
Speaker 2: to the Raiders, but he wanted to pick his own GM,
Speaker 2: or at least help with that selection process. And if
Speaker 2: you're going to have somebody who's lined up just the
Speaker 2: way Kyle Shanahan and John lynchar with San Francisco, with
Speaker 2: your coach and your GM, that makes a lot of sense. Well,
Speaker 2: Bear's got him, and I think that's the big surprise.
Speaker 2: I think Tom Brady thought, Hey, I'm going to spend
Speaker 2: time with him, and if he wants to bring in
Speaker 2: his own GM, then I'm going to let Tom to
Speaker 2: LESCo go after one year. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: would have made these decisions if they didn't think they
Speaker 2: were if they thought they weren't going to get Ben Johnson,
Speaker 2: would they have kept Antonio Pierce and Tom to LESCo
Speaker 2: at least another year. Maybe they got a bigger picture here,
Speaker 2: Maybe there's somebody else that they're waiting for, But it
Speaker 2: felt like they thought they were getting Ben Johnson, and
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson said no to Tom Brady. He'll be introduced as
Speaker 2: the Bears head coach today. Everything's great, right now, everything's great.
Speaker 2: They got their coach, offensive minded guy. You took him
Speaker 2: away from the Lions, Caleb Williams. Yes, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, He's gonna be c J. Stra, He's gonna
Speaker 2: be somebody.
Speaker 3: You're ready to go.
Speaker 2: Oh, if only the season started tomorrow, we'd be ready
Speaker 2: to go. Paulie's Bears. They've done it all. They've won
Speaker 2: the off season. Again, congratulation. Nobody wins the off season
Speaker 2: like the Bears do. They won the off season. There's
Speaker 2: no trophies that they hand out for winning the off season,
Speaker 2: but if they did, the Bears trophy case would be packed.
Speaker 4: Are we handing that trophy out today?
Speaker 3: We can. If you want off.
Speaker 4: Season award winner for a week, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, let me wait a week or so. Let
Speaker 3: me see what the Cowboys do.
Speaker 2: If the Cowboy get Dion, then they're probably going to
Speaker 2: win the off season.
Speaker 3: I'm still amazed though that.
Speaker 2: You know, Jerry Jones falls in love, and he fell
Speaker 2: in love with Jason Garrett.
Speaker 3: Jason Witten.
Speaker 2: I think he's in love with Dion and he's going
Speaker 2: to have to bring somebody in to be able to
Speaker 2: coach his team. Jason Witten is not ready to do this.
Speaker 2: I think he's been a high school coach and of
Speaker 2: course he was a great player. Uh do you bring
Speaker 2: back Kellen Moore who you had? Do you have any
Speaker 2: chance at getting Don? That seems to have simmered down
Speaker 2: a little bit doesn't mean it won't happen because with Jerry,
Speaker 2: he might say, oh, damn it, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: bring in Dion, and then you bring in Deon Sanders.
Speaker 2: Then everybody's going to go, wow, that's a genius move.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, like, unless it's Don, I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna go hmm okay, right now. We did that
Speaker 2: with dan Quinn with Washington, but Washington doesn't have the
Speaker 2: worldwide a pee all of the Cowboys. When the Cowboys
Speaker 2: make a decision and everybody takes note, Washington was like.
Speaker 3: Oh who they Okay.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, Oh good luck? Team won four games. Now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're looking at dan Quinn like
Speaker 2: he's lombardy. Like man, the Cowboys they missed on him. Okay,
Speaker 2: probably a few other teams decided that they didn't want
Speaker 2: dan Quinn to come in and be their head coach.
Speaker 2: But he's done a wonderful job there. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: we always look at what's the result, the end result.
Speaker 2: We go, How could you pass on him? He was
Speaker 2: right there? Well, they did and other teams did as well.
Speaker 2: That dan Quinn probably thrilled that he's in Washington and
Speaker 2: that they're in the NFC title game. This line started
Speaker 2: out at four and a half. Now it's up to six,
Speaker 2: which is that's a pretty big jump for me when
Speaker 2: I'm looking at all, right, four and a half maybe five,
Speaker 2: now up to six. The Eagles are favored, and I
Speaker 2: think with Buffalo that stayed about the same. That the
Speaker 2: Bills are one and a half point underdogs there, Yeah, PAULI,
Speaker 2: A two.
Speaker 5: Point jump in a line midweek is surprising, uncommon. Does
Speaker 5: somebody know something about Jalen hurts health status?
Speaker 2: Well, no, because that would be assuming that he's healthy,
Speaker 2: because if he was hurt, it wouldn't be it wouldn't
Speaker 2: jump like that. Right, So four and a half to
Speaker 2: six means Jalen Hurts is probably going to play. But
Speaker 2: I don't know health wise, and they don't have to
Speaker 2: reveal that. But I'm guessing that Jalen Hurts will play.
Speaker 2: Their offense isn't great. It's weird. They get these splash plays.
Speaker 2: No Sae Kwon Barkley, you know, they kind of bottled
Speaker 2: him up. He did have three unbelievable runs. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: they kind of bottled him up, and they had one
Speaker 2: big play. And granted, that's all you need sometimes, but
Speaker 2: I think when we look at offense, they didn't dominate
Speaker 2: the Rams, and I think the impression is that they did,
Speaker 2: but they held on for dear life. And as I
Speaker 2: said yesterday, I thought the Rams were going to win
Speaker 2: that game. I thought that they in that final final drive,
Speaker 2: they were going to win and kick the extra point.
Speaker 2: They were going to beat Philadelphia and they would be
Speaker 2: hosting the Commanders this weekend. That's why when you look
Speaker 2: at nan, I do think the Eagles are still the
Speaker 2: best team in football, but I haven't seen them kind
Speaker 2: of put everything together. They have these players who make
Speaker 2: the Jalen Carter makes a big player, two, Saquan a
Speaker 2: big player too, Jalen hurds one or two big plays,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's all you need to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like what the the A Chiefs are doing.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes doesn't do anything that is consistently magical, but
Speaker 2: he always has one or two of those plays. Jason
Speaker 2: Kelcey one or two of those plays, Chris Jones, one
Speaker 2: or two of those plays. Maybe that's the recipe. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this with Patrick Mahomes. You want
Speaker 2: to talk about a selfless superstar, because with Mahomes, it
Speaker 2: was all about he was going to throw the ball
Speaker 2: they were going to get. You know, he's throwing forty
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. That's high powered, exclusive offense. You don't hear
Speaker 2: him talking about you know, it'd be nice if we
Speaker 2: got some receivers here for me or you know, you're
Speaker 2: getting possession guys. I'm want to throw some touchdowns here.
Speaker 2: His numbers are down. He's selfless, and that's remarkable that
Speaker 2: you get to that point, that point in your career
Speaker 2: and it's not about his numbers, because his numbers aren't great,
Speaker 2: but it's about we won. How did we win? And
Speaker 2: they are on a tight rope every single week, it
Speaker 2: feels like, but it's about you know, Kelsey is not
Speaker 2: nudging his coach on the sideline about getting me touches.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is selfless and Brady was selfless too, And
Speaker 2: I think you have to be because if you're all about, hey,
Speaker 2: what about my numbers? And these guys have gotten to
Speaker 2: a point where it's about winning. Yeah, what if.
Speaker 6: Behind the scenes, Patrick Mahomes is like, none of the
Speaker 6: receivers matter because I'm important. Well, you guys don't matter.
Speaker 6: I'm the one that makes this happen. So you could
Speaker 6: put out herd of cattle out there and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: complete passes. But he's actually that much of a diva.
Speaker 3: But oh I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm the only one here that matters. The rest of
Speaker 4: you are irrelevant.
Speaker 3: But he's not putting up great numbers.
Speaker 2: So yes, he might say, hey, I don't care who
Speaker 2: you put look at Brady interchangeable parts, and Brady probably said,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who you're putting out there, I'll make
Speaker 2: this work. But I think Mahomes and Brady are and
Speaker 2: we're selfless, and I think that helped them because how
Speaker 2: many times did you see Bill Belichick go, We're just
Speaker 2: going to run the football, And this is Brady going,
Speaker 2: all right, hey, we're going to run for two hundred
Speaker 2: yards against the Colts. Okay, And I think the same
Speaker 2: thing with Mahomes. I think you got to get to
Speaker 2: a point where you go, I want to win.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: That's that's all. That matters here is that I win
Speaker 2: yes time.
Speaker 7: If you know you're going to or you feel very
Speaker 7: comfortable that you're going to trade stats for rings. It's
Speaker 7: very easy to do that when you're on a great
Speaker 7: team and you're collected rings. That could change if all
Speaker 7: of a sudden you're a team that's not getting to
Speaker 7: the super Bowl winning rings. As far as hey, wait
Speaker 7: a second, I don't have the right tools around me
Speaker 7: to get.
Speaker 2: The Well justin Herbert and I had lower stats this
Speaker 2: year they made the playoffs. But I think you have
Speaker 2: to get to that point where, hey, these numbers are great.
Speaker 2: They're regular season numbers, the numbers that matter a postseason.
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Speaker 3: See what's poll question today?
Speaker 6: Well we haven't really hit on this much yet, but
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame voting should be public or private.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this coming up in a
Speaker 2: little bit here. I've said that when I voted, I
Speaker 2: wanted it to be public. I was proud to vote.
Speaker 2: And if you're going to take on that honor, and
Speaker 2: it is an honor, then you should explain why you
Speaker 2: voted for or didn't vote for somebody. It's just you're
Speaker 2: doing your homework, or maybe you're not doing your homework.
Speaker 8: But I.
Speaker 2: Have no problem, and they fought for this. This was
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. I think twenty sixteen. The
Speaker 2: Baseball Writers supported a measure to make every Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame ballot public, but the Board of Directors shut that down.
Speaker 2: I like it when I hear a columnists say, or
Speaker 2: a writer or broadcasters say, this is why I voted
Speaker 2: for this guy, or I didn't vote for this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, not everybody's a Hall of Famer. You might
Speaker 2: not think Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I did CC Sabathia. You know he's a dinosaur. Guys
Speaker 2: are going to log those innings and have three thousand strikeout.
Speaker 2: It's over two hundred and fifty wins. It's just not
Speaker 2: going to happen anymore each euro no brainer. But then
Speaker 2: apparently was it a brainer? Because somebody decided not to
Speaker 2: vote for each Euro.
Speaker 3: Yes, ton is.
Speaker 7: Coming forward make you a stand up guy or a
Speaker 7: woman depending on who we're talking about, or is it
Speaker 7: a look at me, look at me thing?
Speaker 9: People could take that one of two ways.
Speaker 3: What do you think it is?
Speaker 9: I think it might.
Speaker 7: Be more looking for attention, just like when a columnist
Speaker 7: has some kind of crazy take that's never going to
Speaker 7: happen or not true, just to stand out when everyone's
Speaker 7: saying how much they love one thing, you got to
Speaker 7: be the one that hates on the coach hire or
Speaker 7: whatever for attention.
Speaker 9: So I think for me it might be more attention
Speaker 9: than you know. I want to. I feel a need
Speaker 9: to explain myself to everyone that might be upset with.
Speaker 2: Well, if you want attention, then why is it surprised? Okay,
Speaker 2: so if he wants attention or she wants attention, then
Speaker 2: they should come come forward. Tell us why you didn't
Speaker 2: vote for each aro. You know, you get caught up
Speaker 2: in the baseball pierce. Now the voting doesn't come out
Speaker 2: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many votes somebody gets or how many votes somebody
Speaker 2: doesn't get. We you know, so we can single out baseball,
Speaker 2: but baseball is about percentages. We get to see the percentages.
Speaker 2: So we follow along with this. You know, it's baseball
Speaker 2: stock market. I'm seeing guys who rise and guys who fall,
Speaker 2: and guys from nowhere all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 2: get into the conversation, or guys who get to a
Speaker 2: certain level and that's all they're going to get, you know,
Speaker 2: like a Rod or Manny Ramirez or Bonds or Clemens.
Speaker 2: But I like following along with that because I like
Speaker 2: to understand these trends, like why is somebody all Billy
Speaker 2: Wagner is a Hall of Famer in his last year
Speaker 2: of eligibility. Why was he a Hall of Famer? That's
Speaker 2: what I'm always curious about. He didn't play anymore baseball.
Speaker 2: Last I looked, he didn't play anymore baseball. PAULI check,
Speaker 2: did Billy Wagner play any more baseball?
Speaker 5: I got nothing?
Speaker 3: Okay, But you.
Speaker 2: Get to this point and it's, you know, the writers
Speaker 2: of the gatekeepers here. So if you're going to have
Speaker 2: a powerful position, then I'd like to know where you
Speaker 2: stand on somebody. And I think that when I voted
Speaker 2: for the NBA, I had no problem my voting, and
Speaker 2: I made it public. And did I get roughed up
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake when I didn't vote for Carl Malone
Speaker 2: or in Phoenix when I didn't vote for Barkley. Yes,
Speaker 2: but it goes along with the territory. I had no
Speaker 2: problem with that, Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 7: And when it comes to MLB Hall of Fame voting,
Speaker 7: guys like Carlos Beltran who got like seventy percent of
Speaker 7: the vote, I'm sure it's got to be one of
Speaker 7: those or you're kidding.
Speaker 3: No, No, he's going to get in next year.
Speaker 9: Almost like Billy Wagner, like you're close this year, but
Speaker 9: the next year.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Yeah, Carlos Beltran will get in next year.
Speaker 2: I think Andrew Jones should you know, he should get in.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: He was close as well. And I don't think the
Speaker 2: voting as far as candidates next year, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a great list. But and sometimes it's timing.
Speaker 9: Yes, ton See, that's a problem too, that you're going
Speaker 9: to get it too.
Speaker 7: Cooperstown are not based on how weak or strong the
Speaker 7: year is of who's up on a given year.
Speaker 9: You should not be included in who you vote for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're all fired up with your Houston Astros gear on.
Speaker 7: I've always been about Billy wagon I just haven't spoken
Speaker 7: about it a lot.
Speaker 8: On there.
Speaker 9: I kept that one to myself. Nobody's business.
Speaker 5: Yes, Paul Chritsy looks like relaxed fit Billy Wagner right
Speaker 5: now in that outfit.
Speaker 3: I don't gonna use fit, but I have relaxed. Yeah
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 9: I'm comfortable with my two exl jersey. I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got your Billy Wagoner. That that jersey.
Speaker 2: That uniform of the Astros boring is boring, boring killer.
Speaker 9: Bees though, Yeah, it doesn't change the look of the.
Speaker 3: Jersey to thank you to.
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Speaker 2: He is a former All Conference tight end in high school,
Speaker 2: former Milwaukee Brewer. Great and now I'm a Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer C C. Sabbat you congratulations, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: What kind of tight end were you like?
Speaker 3: You know what? What who did you pattern your game after?
Speaker 3: In high school?
Speaker 8: I was not a blocking tight end.
Speaker 12: I was more of a I need I need at
Speaker 12: least three balls throwing my way a half before I can,
Speaker 12: you know, start blocking.
Speaker 8: My mottol was no rock, no block, No rock, no block.
Speaker 3: Did you think about playing in college?
Speaker 12: I did. I really wanted to. I really wanted to
Speaker 12: play football. That was that was my first love. I
Speaker 12: really enjoyed playing football. But I but I know, like
Speaker 12: my body type, since I would have got to college,
Speaker 12: they able to turn me into office a tackle right away, so.
Speaker 8: I mean, hopefully hopefully it would have paid off.
Speaker 12: But yeah, I mean I would have loved to have
Speaker 12: been been able to have a chance to go to
Speaker 12: college to play football.
Speaker 2: How many pairs of pants do you have for your
Speaker 2: playing days? I love, I'd love to get a pair
Speaker 2: of those those pants man.
Speaker 12: You know, but I honestly, I probably have a couple
Speaker 12: of pairs. They put it, they put They put a
Speaker 12: few on my locker when I go back for spring
Speaker 12: training now just for just for fun, I can get
Speaker 12: both legs and one and one and one leg.
Speaker 2: Now, But what made you go to those large, you know,
Speaker 2: baggy pants?
Speaker 8: You know what?
Speaker 12: It was just me wanting to like represent myself. You know,
Speaker 12: it was the hat being tilted sideways. When I first
Speaker 12: came up, the pants had to be super tight like that,
Speaker 12: you know, everybody were the uniform super small and super tight,
Speaker 12: and they had to elastic at the bottom. And once
Speaker 12: I got a little older and a little established in
Speaker 12: the league, I was like, I want to kind of
Speaker 12: represent how I want to look on the field. And
Speaker 12: it was the back with the big jerseys and everybody's
Speaker 12: wearing to throwback, So I adopted the big pants. I'm
Speaker 12: tilted my hat to the side or where the big
Speaker 12: My jersey was always my sleeves are always a lot
Speaker 12: longer than everybody else's, and it was just kind of
Speaker 12: my style. And uh, it's a funny story about that.
Speaker 12: One time Russell Bringion when I was in Cleveland, wore
Speaker 12: my pants in Kansas City and George Brett came down
Speaker 12: and like lit him up.
Speaker 8: Totally looked like a clown, all this stuff he was.
Speaker 12: Referent to making the big game look bad and all
Speaker 12: these different things. It was.
Speaker 8: It was hilarious. But yeah, I have a few pairs.
Speaker 8: I can send you something.
Speaker 2: What about the hat though, When you wore the hat
Speaker 2: to the side, what kind of reaction did you get.
Speaker 12: Early in my career, not a good reaction obviously, as
Speaker 12: you know how the big leagues are with the unwritten rules,
Speaker 12: and you know, it was just being a young guy.
Speaker 10: I was.
Speaker 12: I was twenty years old in that clubhouse when I
Speaker 12: first came up, so I was the youngest guy. The
Speaker 12: next oldest guy on that team was you know, twenty six,
Speaker 12: twenty seven, so it was even hard to you know,
Speaker 12: for guys to relate to me. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 12: it was just my thing. It was you know, me
Speaker 12: wearing my hat way to the side and going to
Speaker 12: grab the ball with my hand from the third basement
Speaker 12: after every out was just kind of what two of
Speaker 12: those things that I wanted to be mine and I
Speaker 12: was able to carry that for you know, through my
Speaker 12: career for nineteen years.
Speaker 2: Okay, but just tilting your hat to the sign, was
Speaker 2: that something that your boy did, like guys you hung
Speaker 2: around with, Well, no.
Speaker 12: You know what, So when I when I was in
Speaker 12: high school, my high school coach, he would get on
Speaker 12: me about the way I wore my hat because scouts
Speaker 12: would show up at the field so early, so they
Speaker 12: would watch I would always have my hat on backwards
Speaker 12: or you know, propped up on my head, and you know,
Speaker 12: just walking to the park. So he would always get
Speaker 12: on me about, you know, the way I looked, the
Speaker 12: way I you know, represented myself walking, you know, with
Speaker 12: scouts walking around. So after I got drafted, and you know,
Speaker 12: I felt like I was established. I was like, I'm
Speaker 12: wearing my hat however I want to however I want
Speaker 12: to wear it.
Speaker 2: Looks like Ken Griffey Junior when he had his hat backwards.
Speaker 2: All the baseball purists like, you're disrespecting the game.
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I mean it's just a thing that you know,
Speaker 12: And you know, other guys started adopting. You know, Fernando
Speaker 12: Rodney came up, he was wearing his hat to the side.
Speaker 12: Dontrelle Willis came up. We're from that saying, you know area,
Speaker 12: We've been knowing each other forever. He's wearing his hat
Speaker 12: to the side. So it became a thing, and and uh,
Speaker 12: you know, I'm glad I stuck with it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, he's you see, Sabbathia, freshly minted Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: Where were you when you got the call?
Speaker 8: I was here. I was home. You know.
Speaker 12: We we had a bunch of people over and Baseball
Speaker 12: Hall of Fame is you know, it's it's a tricky thing.
Speaker 12: You don't know if you're gonna get that call or not.
Speaker 12: So we had a big party last night, and it
Speaker 12: could have been, you know, a big party where it
Speaker 12: could have been you know, made forget TV, or you
Speaker 12: know it made for you know, a good celebration last night.
Speaker 12: But you know, I wanted everybody around whether I got
Speaker 12: the call or not last night. It's just special being
Speaker 12: on the ballot. I know how hard it is to
Speaker 12: get into the Baseball Hall of Fame being uh, you know,
Speaker 12: just a sports fan in general and understanding sports.
Speaker 8: So it was a special moment for us.
Speaker 3: Did you cry?
Speaker 12: I haven't yet, but you know, like I see different
Speaker 12: things and I get on the verge of crying and
Speaker 12: then somebody texting me or somebody calls it. I've been
Speaker 12: so busy, you know, with with you know, planning and
Speaker 12: you know, we're driving up the Cooperstown in an hour
Speaker 12: and all these different things. I think I haven't had
Speaker 12: a chance to really sit down and process yet.
Speaker 3: Which it mean though, to go in first ballan it.
Speaker 8: Means, I mean, it means a lot.
Speaker 12: I mean and like we, like I just said, you know,
Speaker 12: understanding you know, Baseball Hall and understanding just a Hall
Speaker 12: of Fame in general. I don't think ten years ago,
Speaker 12: I don't think I'll go in as a first ballot
Speaker 12: Hall of Famer. You know, I think, you know, the
Speaker 12: way the writers have looked at the game, and you know,
Speaker 12: the way the game has changed has allowed me to
Speaker 12: be a first ballot Hall of Famer, which is awesome
Speaker 12: to me. And you know, now I look at, you know,
Speaker 12: myself and somebody like, you know, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer,
Speaker 12: you know, Greenky. You know, we're kind of starters. You know,
Speaker 12: we're dying breed, you know. So you know, I feel like,
Speaker 12: you know, all those guys I just named to go
Speaker 12: in first ballot.
Speaker 3: Too, and Kershaw as well.
Speaker 8: But you're Kershaw too.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yeah, but you're talking about that. You had
Speaker 2: thirty eight career complete games. Guys won't come close to that,
Speaker 2: and then pitching and have three thousand strikeouts and chwi
Speaker 2: Ldren felt like it's almost like the running back, where
Speaker 2: we got to the point where we devalued the running back.
Speaker 2: Now the running back came back, But the analytics has
Speaker 2: changed everything. And I don't know how analytics may have
Speaker 2: helped you be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think there'll be a
Speaker 12: lot more guys with you know, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 12: wins and three thousand strikeouts. You know, if you think,
Speaker 12: I think there'll be a lot more guys because if
Speaker 12: you look at it, the guys guys strack out two
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty guys a year
Speaker 12: now or you know, getting close to three hundred strikeouts
Speaker 12: a year just because you know, hitters don't care about
Speaker 12: striking out. So I think we'll get guys with three
Speaker 12: thousand strikeouts. I think it'll be harder to get guys
Speaker 12: to two hundred wins. And as far as analytics for me,
Speaker 12: I mean yeah, I mean I think they helped in
Speaker 12: you know, I think they helped me get into the
Speaker 12: Hall of Fame obviously, like I said, because of you know,
Speaker 12: the Dying Breeders starters. But while I was playing, you know,
Speaker 12: it was hard to you know, transition to you know,
Speaker 12: this this world of analytics and you know, trying to
Speaker 12: understand that it once you just throw your best pitch
Speaker 12: over and over and over again, where you know, I
Speaker 12: understand you need to set up, you know, hitters to
Speaker 12: be able to, you know, trick him with your best pitch.
Speaker 12: So you know, it was it was tough at the
Speaker 12: end of my career, you know, trying to pitch with analytics.
Speaker 12: But you know, being outsideed out of the game and
Speaker 12: understanding analytics, I understand, you know, there's a need for
Speaker 12: it in the game.
Speaker 3: How did you do against each roll?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you know what, I honestly don't know.
Speaker 12: I bet you each year old has a good career
Speaker 12: batting batting average against me. Somebody told me last night
Speaker 12: that he was my thousand strikeout though, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 12: But I got a cool story. I mean, two thousand
Speaker 12: and six, I was struggling trying to figure out I
Speaker 12: needed a put out pitch. So we're trying to figure
Speaker 12: out I was trying to, you know, how to learn
Speaker 12: how to throw a cutter. Carl Willis and I went
Speaker 12: down to the bullpen in Oakland and he showed me
Speaker 12: a grip of how he threw his cutter. And I
Speaker 12: came out of that bullpen with like an eighty two
Speaker 12: eighty three mile an hour slider that I started throwing,
Speaker 12: and I was like, oh, this thing is nasty. I
Speaker 12: can't wait till my next start. We go from Unkland Seattle.
Speaker 12: Next time I get into a game, I take it
Speaker 12: out there. And the first time I throw it in
Speaker 12: the game, each roll hit it off the window. In
Speaker 12: my mind, I'm like, oh no, it's just easy. Like
Speaker 12: it's good because I'm getting output and I'm getting strikes
Speaker 12: with and I'm like, no, it's good.
Speaker 8: He comes up the next time he hits it out again.
Speaker 3: Who is the guy though? That you could never figure out?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 12: Man, it was a bunch, but I think Evan Longoria
Speaker 12: was a guy that I'll be staying on the Mou'll
Speaker 12: be like, man, I'm just throwing I can't.
Speaker 8: I got nothing for you but him. Manny Ramirez, you know, uh.
Speaker 12: Miguel Cabrera, you know, just those quiet right handed hitters
Speaker 12: that you know see the strikes on.
Speaker 3: Well, who's going to help you with your speech?
Speaker 12: I think everybody's gonna help me with my speech, you know,
Speaker 12: I mean anybody that knows me. You know, I hate
Speaker 12: standing up in front of people and you know, kind
Speaker 12: of public speaking. So I'm gonna pull inspiration from everybody.
Speaker 12: But I want to I want to make sure I
Speaker 12: get it right. I want to make sure, you know,
Speaker 12: I get I named the right people and and uh,
Speaker 12: you know, get people their.
Speaker 8: Just due because it wasn't just me, you know the
Speaker 8: reason why. You know, I'm going to Cooperstown.
Speaker 3: As a Yankee, hopefully as a Yankee.
Speaker 8: Yes, as a Yankee.
Speaker 2: Should the ballot be made public, the writers one one
Speaker 2: person didn't vote for each.
Speaker 8: Roll, Uh, you know what, I don't think so, I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 12: I don't like you know, worrying about who didn't vote
Speaker 12: for who. I mean, it's you know, he's in the
Speaker 12: Hall of Fame now, so what difference does it make?
Speaker 12: You know, we spend so much time, you know, worried
Speaker 12: about the negative and you know why he didn't vote
Speaker 12: for each he old, But let's talk about the three
Speaker 12: hundred and ninety five votes he did get and you know,
Speaker 12: him going to Cooperstown because he's well deserved of it.
Speaker 12: So you know, it's you know, it's just a you
Speaker 12: know something that you know in baseball we all all
Speaker 12: worry about. In the other sports, it doesn't matter, right,
Speaker 12: it doesn't matter what percent of the vote you get.
Speaker 8: Once you go in, you're in. So you know, kind
Speaker 8: of is what it is.
Speaker 3: Best player you played with in your career was who
Speaker 3: ay Rod? Wow that was quick?
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, why give Robbie Alamar a close second?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So what was it about a Rod that you take
Speaker 3: him over everybody else?
Speaker 12: I mean, obviously just is the talent that you know.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, six ' three, you know, third
Speaker 12: basement shortstop at the time. You know when I when
Speaker 12: I was coming up the third basement of the time
Speaker 12: and I played with him. But it's baseball IQ. His
Speaker 12: IQ was off the charge. The way he watches the game,
Speaker 12: the way you're sitting next to him on the bench,
Speaker 12: and you know you'd be like, oh, we need to
Speaker 12: hit and run here, or oh we need to double steal,
Speaker 12: or oh this team is going to do this. He
Speaker 12: watches the game at a different level than we all
Speaker 12: watched the game. And you know, having a chance to
Speaker 12: play with him and have him at third base, there'd
Speaker 12: be times when you know, a guy be coming up
Speaker 12: and he'd be like, hey, you know, throw a change
Speaker 12: up right here, this guy swinging first pitch, or you
Speaker 12: know this guy you know he may be taken right here.
Speaker 8: So he would be you.
Speaker 12: Know, just watching the game and the IQ and obviously
Speaker 12: putting the talent with that. You know, he was the
Speaker 12: best player that I that I've ever got a chance
Speaker 12: to be up close to.
Speaker 3: Did you ever get to socialize with Jeter?
Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, I'm really close with Jeter. He was actually
Speaker 8: just calling me right now. I mean, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's upset that you said a Rod over Jeter.
Speaker 2: But did you go out in New York? Like, what
Speaker 2: what was it like when Jeter was out?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 12: I mean it was It's always a lot of fun
Speaker 12: to go out with Jeet and hang out with Jet
Speaker 12: because he takes all the attention, so like I can
Speaker 12: just kind of like hang out and slide in and
Speaker 12: nobody's actually autographs or pictures or anything, and he just
Speaker 12: kind of ride his coatail. So uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 12: he was He was always really cool. I mean as
Speaker 12: soon as I got here to New York, h that
Speaker 12: first bring training, me and him, Posada, you know, all
Speaker 12: the guys we got really close, and I think that
Speaker 12: was the reason why we were able to win right away.
Speaker 2: But you didn't sit there and go, who's uh G
Speaker 2: you're dating now, Like, who's who's that? Who's a like
Speaker 2: his lineup card at Yankee stadium.
Speaker 8: Oh no, I had nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2: But as an innocent bystander, you have to be like, uh,
Speaker 2: it looks like, oh that is that's a favorite famous act.
Speaker 2: Jeter's definitely going to be calling you now. H hey, uh, congratulations,
Speaker 2: Uh and uh, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to
Speaker 2: a mote you know you cry.
Speaker 3: We're right there with you.
Speaker 8: I appreciate it all right.
Speaker 3: At c C Sabathia.
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Speaker 8: Good morning.
Speaker 14: I don't know whether to compliment you on that intro
Speaker 14: or crush you, but well done.
Speaker 3: Your reaction to the Hall of Fame vote.
Speaker 13: Yeah, not surprising.
Speaker 14: I actually had written my story before the announcement was made,
Speaker 14: thinking would be these three. Wagner got in a little
Speaker 14: higher than I thought, considering he was just five short
Speaker 14: last year, and each year a thing one person not
Speaker 14: voting for them.
Speaker 13: Dan, it is not a big deal for me, And
Speaker 13: like put.
Speaker 14: Away the pitchforks and the torches, it has no equation
Speaker 14: the worth of the player, right, Marianna Rivera is not
Speaker 14: the greatest player in baseball history.
Speaker 13: Someone I would like to know the reason. Don't get
Speaker 13: me wrong.
Speaker 14: Someone must have a legitimate reason, I hope for leaving
Speaker 14: him off the ballot. I'd like that person to explain himself.
Speaker 14: But I don't get upset about it. No, it's not
Speaker 14: like ho take away his voting privileges because he didn't
Speaker 14: vote the way he's quote unquote suppose to vote.
Speaker 13: I'm not buying that.
Speaker 3: But should the ballot be made public?
Speaker 14: Yeah, listen, we're into business and journalism, business and transparency.
Speaker 14: When we get that ballot, we're able to check a
Speaker 14: box that says, would you like the BBWAA to make
Speaker 14: this ballot public after the announcement, And most of us
Speaker 14: always do, right, But it is a choice. It's not
Speaker 14: an obligation. I would have no problem with making it public.
Speaker 14: I actually, Dan, I would prefer that it all be public.
Speaker 14: But you cannot reveal your ballot until after the announcement
Speaker 14: is made. Can you imagine, like the Grammy's coming out
Speaker 14: the Academy Awards, there was a running tracker of who
Speaker 14: is leading.
Speaker 13: No, I don't want that.
Speaker 14: I just want to hear the announcement when it's made
Speaker 14: of who won and what the vote tols were. I
Speaker 14: don't want it to influence the election, and I want
Speaker 14: to hold off the surprise.
Speaker 2: Frankly, well, that's what it is with the Heisman. They say,
Speaker 2: don't reveal your ballot, and I always wait until after,
Speaker 2: and then I say, this is who I voted for
Speaker 2: and why I vot voted for them. But I look,
Speaker 2: I'm proud to have that opportunity, so I don't want
Speaker 2: to hide from it. I would just be curious why
Speaker 2: this voter didn't vote for each row, like what was
Speaker 2: it that that bothered you? Or sometimes, as you know,
Speaker 2: voters will give a vote to somebody else so they
Speaker 2: can get a little bit of a boost because this
Speaker 2: other guy is already going to get into the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've heard of that in the past. It's tough
Speaker 14: to think that's in play this time.
Speaker 13: Dan, this was not.
Speaker 14: Necessarily a really deep ballot where you're fighting to keep
Speaker 14: guys on on the eight, nine, ten spots in the ballot.
Speaker 13: Now listen, each row to me is a no brainer, right.
Speaker 14: Three thousand hits, three hundred average, five hundred stolen bases,
Speaker 14: one of only five guys that do that, A handful
Speaker 14: of guys. But I mean, he does have the lowest
Speaker 14: adjusted ops for any count corner outfielder in the Hall
Speaker 14: of Fame. He was a singles hitter who didn't walk
Speaker 14: and didn't hit for expert bases. You want to hold
Speaker 14: that against them, I don't, but I, like you, I
Speaker 14: would like to know what it was.
Speaker 13: You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 14: He came up for the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame
Speaker 14: ballot as well and only pulled about ninety three percent
Speaker 14: over there.
Speaker 15: So I don't know.
Speaker 13: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Maybe bad that he left, Yeah, there you go, he didn't.
Speaker 13: He didn't last long enough over there. I think he
Speaker 13: had a thousand hits over there. It wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: Moving forward, though, trying to look at starting pitchers, and
Speaker 2: you know, trying to handicap how do you quantify qualify
Speaker 2: these starting pitchers to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Let's get rid of the guys you know are already
Speaker 2: in with Ureser and you know you got Clayton kershaw
Speaker 2: Erlander maybe one. I don't know, Granky, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's Greenky hold Yeah, okay, now what do you do?
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 14: Great question because you know, watching a guy like CC,
Speaker 14: he's got traditional numbers, thirty five hundred innings, right, three
Speaker 14: thousand punch out, two hundred and fifty wins.
Speaker 13: That's kind of easy.
Speaker 14: But those I don't want to say he's the last
Speaker 14: of them, but it's it's far and few between. So
Speaker 14: you're starting to now I think see a really seismic
Speaker 14: change in voting. And I think Felix Hernandez is kind
Speaker 14: of the canary and the coal mine here right.
Speaker 13: His peak actually was better than CC Sabathia's.
Speaker 14: He just threw so many innings at nineteen twenty twenty
Speaker 14: one that he didn't last in his thirties. So now
Speaker 14: you're gonna have to look back and guys like Johann
Speaker 14: Santana Brett Saberhagen, Dave Steve, Kevin Brown, David Kohene. A
Speaker 14: lot of these guys who had really really high peaks
Speaker 14: were among the best pitchers in the game for say, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 14: ten years, but didn't have the three thousand punchouts, three
Speaker 14: thousand innings.
Speaker 13: There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 14: That think they are going to come into play as
Speaker 14: we go forward here, and very few like Sabathia, that
Speaker 14: are going to come up.
Speaker 2: Okay, But is did Kurt Shilling come along on the
Speaker 2: ballot at the wrong time because he was If Shilling
Speaker 2: is on the ballot, now, is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 14: You know, if he takes down his social media account
Speaker 14: and he stays quiet. I mean really, that's why he's
Speaker 14: not in the Hall of Fame. He opened his mouth
Speaker 14: and people didn't like it. I voted for him every year.
Speaker 14: To me, he was Don Drysdale with a better postseason.
Speaker 14: Kurt Shilling was a history changer. It's easy for me
Speaker 14: to vote for guys who changed history. CC changed history,
Speaker 14: whether it was the stretch run with Milwaukee all time
Speaker 14: legendary stuff, or he signs with the Yankees, huge deal,
Speaker 14: they win his first year there and he's the guy,
Speaker 14: the MVP of the ALCS.
Speaker 13: Shilling changed history.
Speaker 14: We can think about games at the top of our
Speaker 14: head that he influenced, essentially one himself. That to me
Speaker 14: as a Hall of Famer, and he was tracking that
Speaker 14: way until he ticked off a lot of journalists and
Speaker 14: said the wrong things that didn't.
Speaker 3: Supposed to factor in.
Speaker 8: Tom.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't think it does, Dan. I think listen.
Speaker 14: I didn't agree with what he said, but I vote
Speaker 14: on someone's playing.
Speaker 2: But he didn't cheat the game. You got guys who
Speaker 2: cheated the game.
Speaker 14: And with Peds, Dan, it really affects how the game
Speaker 14: has played, the competitive aspect of the game. The most
Speaker 14: basic rule of competing in sports is play fairly.
Speaker 13: You hear it on the playground. You here at Major.
Speaker 14: League Baseball, don't create an uneven playing field. What Shilling
Speaker 14: did as a player, I don't see any evidence that,
Speaker 14: you know what his political views social views affected.
Speaker 13: How he played the game. So I'm with you on that.
Speaker 13: It's nothing to say that you ignore it.
Speaker 14: You can disagree with it as I do, but doesn't
Speaker 14: mean you have to say, oh, therefore, I'm not voting
Speaker 14: through the Hall of Fame. Very interesting to see what
Speaker 14: happens now because he's off the writer's ballot. If a
Speaker 14: room full of sixteen people in a veterans committee, twelve
Speaker 14: of them think, yeah, we're gonna look past what he
Speaker 14: said and put him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 2: With the Dodgers and the amount of money that they're spending,
Speaker 2: they're not breaking any rules there. If that's my ownership,
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled that they're they want to ensure we're going
Speaker 2: to have a great team. Is there any recourse with
Speaker 2: Baseball of doing anything about this in the future.
Speaker 3: No, not now.
Speaker 14: They're playing by the rules, as you said. I mean,
Speaker 14: they have a billion dollars in deferred money, but Goggenheim,
Speaker 14: the company that owns the Dodgers, has about three hundred
Speaker 14: and fifty billion dollars in deferred money. So this is
Speaker 14: pocket change for what they do and how they operate.
Speaker 14: And I think you have to look at the fact too, Dan,
Speaker 14: that their infrastructure right, their technology, they're coaching. Everything they
Speaker 14: do to create a working atmosphere for players is top
Speaker 14: of the charts.
Speaker 8: Great.
Speaker 14: And if you want to go to the postseason, you
Speaker 14: sign with the Dodgers. They deserve credit for creating this
Speaker 14: atmosphere similar to the Yankees in the late nineties. Right,
Speaker 14: those are the advantage that they're operating with. Is it
Speaker 14: good for the game?
Speaker 15: I don't know.
Speaker 13: Listen, we all love Goliath.
Speaker 14: You're sitting here talking about the Chiefs every year and
Speaker 14: people get tired of them. But we all like to
Speaker 14: also root for David against Goliath. Right, So I think
Speaker 14: it's good for the game. But they're already our owners
Speaker 14: around the game who can't compete even closely with how
Speaker 14: the Dodgers spend money, who say we need a system
Speaker 14: that's different. And if you're talking about a salary cap,
Speaker 14: just be prepared for not playing baseball in twenty twenty
Speaker 14: seven because every time that issue comes up and the
Speaker 14: owners want to stick to it, we have the game
Speaker 14: shut down. That's the history of labor negotiating.
Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you. Thank you, Tom, You
Speaker 2: got Dan. Thank you Tom Berducci.
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Speaker 2: Joe Thomas is the only player in NFL history to
Speaker 2: play in more than ten thousand consecutive plays without interruption
Speaker 2: or injury. The NFL record ten thousand, three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty three snaps sounds pretty impressive. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it means, but uh, you're Are you the cal Ripken
Speaker 2: of offensive linemen?
Speaker 15: I'll allow you to call me the cal Ripken of
Speaker 15: all of the NFL if that's what you want to do, Dan,
Speaker 15: you can put the words in my mouth. I'm okay
Speaker 15: with that.
Speaker 3: Okay, But how many times were you aware this streak
Speaker 3: when you played?
Speaker 15: I was yees, so it was probably like year six
Speaker 15: or seven when I realized, huh, you know what, I
Speaker 15: don't think I've missed the play yet. And then our
Speaker 15: sports information director Dan Murphy kind of looked into it
Speaker 15: and was like, hey, you're right, you haven't missed any plays.
Speaker 15: And oh, by the way, I don't think anybody's done
Speaker 15: that ever since they started keeping tracking, like nineteen ninety
Speaker 15: nine or something like that.
Speaker 3: But how many times did you go out there just
Speaker 3: to keep the streak alive?
Speaker 15: So I never actually willingly like said, oh, I'm ready
Speaker 15: to take a break, and oh, but I got the
Speaker 15: streak on the line, I got to go back out there.
Speaker 15: But certainly towards the ends, as I was getting closer
Speaker 15: to ten thousand, which is kind of a big milestone,
Speaker 15: I thought, you know what, Hey, if you know my
Speaker 15: shoelace breaks or I lose a chin strap, do I
Speaker 15: call a timeout? Do I just like go and quick
Speaker 15: call a timeout so I can save the streak and
Speaker 15: just deal with the coach yelling at me on the sideline.
Speaker 15: And I think to myself, you know what, after nine
Speaker 15: years of doing this, I think I deserve to waste
Speaker 15: at least one time out if I had to with
Speaker 15: something goofy, like a shoe gun tied, or like busted
Speaker 15: the chin strap or you know, something with the equipment
Speaker 15: malfunction happens.
Speaker 2: I had a former college coach, well known college coach,
Speaker 2: and he was talking about developing running backs because we
Speaker 2: don't use them the way we once did. But maybe
Speaker 2: there's a comeback with that with Derrick Henry or Sakuon Barkley,
Speaker 2: but also developing offensive linemen. That the way the game
Speaker 2: is played in college, that we're not developing offensive linemen
Speaker 2: the way that we once did. Your thoughts on that
Speaker 2: of what you see with offensive linemen now as to
Speaker 2: you know, when you were at Wisconsin.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's a much more wide open game in college
Speaker 15: and in high school especially, and I think because of that,
Speaker 15: the guys on the offensive line are not really taught
Speaker 15: the breadth of techniques that we were when I was
Speaker 15: in college and when I was early in the NFL,
Speaker 15: where you have to learn so many different ways of blocking.
Speaker 15: You're blocking manned concepts, you're blocking double teams and gap schemes,
Speaker 15: you're blocking inside zone, you're blocking outside zone. And then
Speaker 15: also you have your drop back pass, you have your
Speaker 15: three step, your five step, your seven step, your play action,
Speaker 15: your boots. So you have this huge catalog of techniques
Speaker 15: that you have to learn that They just don't do
Speaker 15: that quite as much anymore, and they don't put as
Speaker 15: much pressure on the offensive lineman, which is probably a
Speaker 15: good thing because it takes a long time to learn
Speaker 15: all these different techniques, but I think they've really dumbed
Speaker 15: it down and at the high school and college level,
Speaker 15: and so because of that, at the NFL, you see
Speaker 15: guys that they've got great technique, they're stronger, they're faster,
Speaker 15: they're more athletic than ever, but they don't have those
Speaker 15: pro style catalog of techniques that they used to, and
Speaker 15: so when you're asking them to do a bunch of
Speaker 15: different stuff like NFL offenses do, they struggle in a
Speaker 15: lot of different ways because it just takes a lot
Speaker 15: of time and a lot of reps to develop that.
Speaker 15: And oh, by the way, we have less preseason time,
Speaker 15: we have less contact time in the offseason and through
Speaker 15: training camp, and so you have less time to actually
Speaker 15: develop those techniques that you need the most.
Speaker 2: What is it about a couple of these tackles that
Speaker 2: get off the ball like that, It feels like they're
Speaker 2: moving before they're supposed to be moving. Lane Johnson kind
Speaker 2: of mastered this, but are they like, is it illegal?
Speaker 2: Should it be flagged?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 15: I think the problem is for decades, we were used
Speaker 15: to seeing the ball snap and then after the ball
Speaker 15: is about almost between the center's legs, we see the
Speaker 15: offensive line move, and defensive linemen were moving at a
Speaker 15: similar slow pace. Well somewhere, I don't know, maybe middle
Speaker 15: beginning of my career, defensive lineman realized, Hey, if I
Speaker 15: can beat that offensive tackle off the snap and get
Speaker 15: ahead of him, now he's playing catch up to me.
Speaker 15: Now he's back on his heels, and then now I
Speaker 15: can dictate whatever I want to do in my rush.
Speaker 15: At the point of contact he's off balance. I can
Speaker 15: either bowl rush him or I can push pull him.
Speaker 15: I can rip to the outside, i can move to
Speaker 15: the inside, but I've got him right where I wanted.
Speaker 15: And so offensive tackles started realizing, Hey, the secret to
Speaker 15: winning the rep is to win the snap. And that's
Speaker 15: what we started emphasizing. And so then you started hearing
Speaker 15: guys and seeing guys anticipate when the snap was coming.
Speaker 15: And so when you listen to a snapcount, which is
Speaker 15: really important from a quarterback. I had a lot of
Speaker 15: quarterbacks twenty quarterbacks that I apply for that were starters
Speaker 15: at Cleveland, and the first thing that I would try
Speaker 15: to train these guys up on is, all right, we
Speaker 15: need a rhythmic cadence so that I can anticipate when
Speaker 15: you're going to call for the ball and I can
Speaker 15: start the process of my brain telling my body to move,
Speaker 15: which there's a little bit of a lag time. It's
Speaker 15: not like the speed of light, but it's pretty fast.
Speaker 15: But that little split second of lag between when your
Speaker 15: brain says go and your body goes is enough of
Speaker 15: a difference maker. That is the determination of whether you
Speaker 15: win or lose the snap and whether you win or
Speaker 15: lose the rep in a pass pro and so I
Speaker 15: would actually tell myself, like Lane Johnson and all the
Speaker 15: tackles that you're seeing doing a good job of it,
Speaker 15: I was telling my body to go before the call
Speaker 15: from the quarterback, which made the timing absolutely perfect. So
Speaker 15: if you actually look at it, for a lot of
Speaker 15: these guys, the second the ball just starts to move
Speaker 15: before the snap even really happens, the tip of that
Speaker 15: football just starts moving. That's when they're moving. And that's
Speaker 15: a perfect rep. And to the naked eye, it probably
Speaker 15: looks like they're jumping and they're fall starting until you
Speaker 15: slow it down on film and you see, oh no,
Speaker 15: that was actually perfect because if they don't do that,
Speaker 15: that's exactly when the defensive linemen are moving.
Speaker 2: Okay, but give me a for instance, your quarterback line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, when do you know that ball is going
Speaker 2: to be snapped because if he goes, say, you know,
Speaker 2: green fifty seven set hut hut.
Speaker 15: Yeah, so if it's on one, you'll hear the snap count.
Speaker 15: It's actually like a rolling cadence. So we used to
Speaker 15: do White Dy Why he's so all those things kind
Speaker 15: of roll together. So when I would hear white Ady
Speaker 15: Whye Eddy's set, I was actually going on the set
Speaker 15: before the hut, which was actually the calling for the football.
Speaker 15: And so you had to also stay on top of
Speaker 15: your center because if he was trying to get a
Speaker 15: head start too. Now, all of a sudden, the ball
Speaker 15: is coming before the quarterback and everybody else is ready.
Speaker 15: And so that's why it's really important that the quarterback's
Speaker 15: cadence and how he rolls into the hut and when
Speaker 15: the center is snapping the ball is all perfectly in
Speaker 15: sync and perfectly the same from one snap to the next,
Speaker 15: so that I can win and the defensive lineman is
Speaker 15: a little bit behind.
Speaker 2: Spend eleven seasons with the Cleveland Browns, works for the
Speaker 2: NFL Network, Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer, and you're working
Speaker 2: with Colt.
Speaker 3: Explain what twos?
Speaker 15: Yeah, Colt Firearms. They have made the Safety Impact Award
Speaker 15: to try to encourage safe and responsible firearm ownership. And myself,
Speaker 15: Clay Matthews, guy went against a lot, probably thought I
Speaker 15: was false starting quite a bit when he was playing.
Speaker 9: For the Packers.
Speaker 15: Adam Vinatieri and Fletcher Cox. We're all trying to raise
Speaker 15: awareness for safe and responsible firearm ownership. We've all selected
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Speaker 15: They can vote for those organizations. It's one dollar per vote,
Speaker 15: and then when you vote, if there's a safety, which
Speaker 15: you get the little pun there onwards. If there's a
Speaker 15: safety in the super Bowl, people that voted for the
Speaker 15: winning charity have a chance to win a portion of
Speaker 15: one hundred thousand dollars from Cordova. So you get an
Speaker 15: opportunity to get a free prop bet in the Super
Speaker 15: Bowl and get to cheer for a safety, which is
Speaker 15: my wife's favorite play. So I'm always cheering, happy wife,
Speaker 15: Happy life.
Speaker 3: Give me the quarterback who would be the toughest to
Speaker 3: block for?
Speaker 15: So there's always this conversation. I just had this with
Speaker 15: Lane Johnson a couple of weeks ago, about would you
Speaker 15: rather block for a quarterback that's mobile that you know
Speaker 15: if you get just flat out beat, like you just
Speaker 15: fall in your face and the guy runs past you,
Speaker 15: is able to make that guy miss and turn it,
Speaker 15: you know, chicken salad into you know or chicken you
Speaker 15: know what and the chickens out? And or would you
Speaker 15: rather have the guy like a Peyton Manning or Tom
Speaker 15: Brady who's exactly in the right spot every time. He's
Speaker 15: not really going to avoid anybody, but he's throwing that
Speaker 15: ball on time. And for me, I always preferred the
Speaker 15: guy that was in the right spot getting rid of
Speaker 15: the football on time, because then I knew I could
Speaker 15: do my job right no matter what. And like I
Speaker 15: always wanted the onus to be on me to make
Speaker 15: sure that I did my job the right way. And
Speaker 15: I don't really care what the quarterback does, but if
Speaker 15: he's in that spot, he's going to be protected. But
Speaker 15: some guys, they prefer the guys that can get out
Speaker 15: and move, you know, the Jayden dnils that Jalen hurts,
Speaker 15: the guys that, hey, you get beat and all of
Speaker 15: a sudden he's gonna make a great, amazing play and
Speaker 15: convert a first down and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 15: instead of the coach putting you in a headlock and
Speaker 15: giving you a nuggy on the sideline. He's patting you
Speaker 15: on the back and say, ah, it's okay, you'll get
Speaker 15: him next time, buddy.
Speaker 2: But Mahomes is not like Jayden Daniels or Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: He's or even Jalen Hurts like. He's just unique because
Speaker 2: I always call him an opportunistic quarterback. He's an opportunist.
Speaker 2: I'm not there's no design runs, but if there is
Speaker 2: a run, I'm going to be taking advantage of that.
Speaker 2: But then we also get to this point where is
Speaker 2: he flaunting the protecting the quarterback when he's out of
Speaker 2: the pocket. If you were the NFL, would you make
Speaker 2: any tweaks to that rule next season?
Speaker 15: Absolutely? And I have been banging this drum for a
Speaker 15: while because I do not blame Josh Allen because he
Speaker 15: does it a lot too. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 15: I just think that's they're doing a good job of
Speaker 15: you utilizing that. The way the game is officiated right now, however,
Speaker 15: the NFL absolutely has to make a change with how
Speaker 15: they officiate the roughing the passer, with how they officiate
Speaker 15: the giving yourself up to slide for quarterbacks, how they
Speaker 15: officiate guys at quarterback like Patrick Mahomes did last weekend,
Speaker 15: where they look like they're about to go out of
Speaker 15: bounds and then they stop, and then the defense hits
Speaker 15: them and then they fly out of bounds. And I
Speaker 15: don't even necessarily blame the quarterbacks or the officials in
Speaker 15: this case. It's just how it's being officiated, because if
Speaker 15: you look at the rule, they're saying that when a
Speaker 15: quarterback starts to slide, that's where the ball should be
Speaker 15: placed down. So the moment he starts to slide, that's
Speaker 15: where he's down. And it was a way of a
Speaker 15: quarterback being able to give themself up when they're in
Speaker 15: the open field without getting hit at all. And it
Speaker 15: was supposed to happen way before contact was ever made.
Speaker 15: But because officials were placing the ball like in the
Speaker 15: middle of when they started their slide, they were giving
Speaker 15: him these extra yardage after they had started sliding. And
Speaker 15: because of that, now you see quarterbacks doing these late slides.
Speaker 15: They're trying to get as close to a defensive lineman
Speaker 15: as they can and then maybe look like they're going
Speaker 15: to slide and then keep going, and it puts defenders
Speaker 15: in tremendous conflict because you don't know what the intentions
Speaker 15: of the quarterback is, and the intentions should be very
Speaker 15: clear by the letter of the law and the letter
Speaker 15: of the rule from the NFL. They should be able
Speaker 15: to understand well in advance from a defensive standpoint if
Speaker 15: that quarterback is giving themselves up or not. And the
Speaker 15: fact that it's not happening and we're getting late slides,
Speaker 15: we're getting fake slides, We're getting quarterbacks that pretend like
Speaker 15: they're going out of bounds and then they don't. It's
Speaker 15: actually become a very dangerous play. We saw that with
Speaker 15: Trevor Lawrence earlier in the season. Now his wasn't quite
Speaker 15: as late. But because of this difficult quandary that we're
Speaker 15: putting the defenders in, whether they don't know what the
Speaker 15: quarterback is doing, and then if they don't make a
Speaker 15: play on the quarterback, they don't try to tackle them.
Speaker 15: Now they're a meme on social media for being a
Speaker 15: bozo and not trying to hit the quarterback and just
Speaker 15: standing there, and you know, you have all these issues
Speaker 15: of not knowing what's happening. And so I think for
Speaker 15: the safety of the quarterbacks, which is I think in
Speaker 15: everybody's best interests. Of course, we want to see Patrick
Speaker 15: Mahomes and Josh Allen go at at this weekend. We
Speaker 15: don't want to see those two backups like we want
Speaker 15: to keep them healthy. But it needs to be officiated differently,
Speaker 15: and there needs to be some type of penalty, maybe
Speaker 15: like they did in the NBA with the flopping and
Speaker 15: stuff against a quarterback who's not clearly giving himself up
Speaker 15: well before he gets anywhere near making contact with a defender.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think you were really intimidating anybody if
Speaker 2: in cold weather you went out there with short sleeves on.
Speaker 15: No, No, it was definitely a peer pressure thing. It
Speaker 15: was an ego thing that came from a long, long
Speaker 15: time ago. But the one thing I will say to
Speaker 15: people that you know are always impressed because you always
Speaker 15: hear the annountsers the linemen are wearing sleeves, it's amazing.
Speaker 15: I actually felt that not wearing sleeves was warmer because
Speaker 15: when you wear sleeves, when you get sweaty, which inevitably
Speaker 15: you will, now that materials got water on it, sweat
Speaker 15: on it, and it's going to evaporate and make your
Speaker 15: arms colder. And so what we would do and I'm
Speaker 15: sure they still do. It is if you wore bare arms,
Speaker 15: you put vasileene, which helps cut the wind, it helps
Speaker 15: cut any of that evaporation that's going to happen. And
Speaker 15: then don't forget.
Speaker 3: Is that legal?
Speaker 15: As far as I know, I've never got a flag
Speaker 15: for it, I never got fined for it, so I'm
Speaker 15: pretty sure it's legal. Defenders would do it too. But
Speaker 15: I think the thing that we need to remember too
Speaker 15: is like underneath that shoulder pad and jersey that you're wearing,
Speaker 15: you're wearing like a wetsuit, like you're wearing the warmest
Speaker 15: possible thing on planet Earth. You've got a wool patch
Speaker 15: stitched up into your helmet that covers your ears. The
Speaker 15: sidelines have these giant jet blow torches that like they're
Speaker 15: so hot you can't even get near them. Or I've
Speaker 15: melted my shoes before, So it is plenty warm for
Speaker 15: those players. We do not have to feel sorry for
Speaker 15: those guys whatsoever on a cold day. Feel bad for
Speaker 15: the officials that don't get to go over there, maybe,
Speaker 15: or the people that are working the sidelines are the fans,
Speaker 15: certainly you don't have any of those heaters, but the
Speaker 15: players they're just fine, guys.
Speaker 2: He's Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer and ten three hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty three consecutive snaps without injury or interruption. See,
Speaker 2: you can't, like, if you're sick around the house with
Speaker 2: your wife, like she'll be like, oh, mister, consecutive snaps
Speaker 2: streak is not going to be able to help us
Speaker 2: take out the garbage.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 15: It works good with my four kids because I'm like, hey, kids,
Speaker 15: all right, you can get up, you can go to school.
Speaker 15: You're just fine, you know, Okay, I'm sorry you hurt
Speaker 15: your shoulder. You know what, I played ten and a
Speaker 15: half missed in the NFL without missing a snap. I
Speaker 15: think you guys can suck it up for one basketball.
Speaker 3: Pou once again.
Speaker 2: You can go to Safety Impactaward dot com for more
Speaker 2: on what Colts is doing the Safety Impact Award. Great
Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Joe, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 15: Yeah, thanks for having me on Dan. If you guys
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