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Speaker 1: O E I on this edition of Defending the Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's always brought to you by Ticketmaster, your

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Speaker 1: and other events. And oh, I don't know, the World

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Speaker 1: Cups coming up really soon. Let's keeps it on an

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Speaker 1: RPO at the five.

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Speaker 2: It's a lead plot.

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Speaker 1: He goes into the ends on this side, touchdown Chunesas City.

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Speaker 1: However you want. I'm Mitchelda's voice of the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs along with senior team reporter Matt McMullen. And let's

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Speaker 1: just do a kind of a game here. What do

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Speaker 1: you think we're going to talk about an OEI in

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Speaker 1: this episode? Could it be the Office of Evaluation and

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Speaker 1: Inspection in the Health.

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Speaker 2: In the.

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Speaker 1: Department of Health, in the part of Health and Human Services,

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Speaker 1: they really look at Medicaid fraud, right, So we could

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Speaker 1: do fifty minutes on that or pure when we do

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Speaker 1: the slang term. I've got to be really careful with

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Speaker 1: these acronymsary. Oh yeah, but it's that's not bad or nastier.

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Speaker 1: ohe like, oh okay. Could be that that we're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss, or it could be of course, the International

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Speaker 1: sovereign states, Spanish speaking countries, Portuguese speeching speaking countries, or

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Speaker 2: Catalan? Yeah, cat which they speak like in Barcelona.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's Eastern Spain primarily, but the rest of

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Speaker 1: That also is the OEI that we might be discussing

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Speaker 1: Me? He didn't, you clowns. You clown had Philippines in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got four today for Rashie Rice, who were

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Speaker 2: Once again, I feel like I say it every single week.

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Speaker 1: And can I say this, I don't know I'm interrupting you,

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Speaker 1: but the guys were here today. Yeah. I got to

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Speaker 1: And when you said Rashie Rice, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Fo, Yeah, it's about that time.

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Speaker 1: It's getting there.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because what Mitch is describing is today, today

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Speaker 2: stuff like you alluded to earlier. Now there's no like

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Speaker 2: the first time all off season, they can come in here.

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Speaker 2: So it's not quite football, but it's one step closer

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we got a a listener.

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Speaker 2: This weekend bill was from McPherson, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: McPherson.

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Speaker 2: I messed this up every time.

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Speaker 1: Home of the Bullpups. The bull Pups fourteen state basketball titles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were the I know everything goes back to

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Speaker 2: Jerron Hyak was back I remember having from last year. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then Jimmy Holliday from Louisiana Tech. Six hundred and

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Speaker 2: chance to host it, and it's an awesome opportunity because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but there's no demarcation line that weekend between a first

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Speaker 2: round pick and a tryout player. You're all rookies. You're

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Speaker 1: But you can see where Noel Williams and I'm like you,

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Speaker 1: I just want to see more of him and more

433
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Speaker 1: and more and more. But I get so excited. I

434
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Speaker 1: see a lot of Tama Connor inhim. I think that's

435
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Speaker 1: a decent comp We know about the crazy ball skills,

436
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: we went over that on the last episode, but there

437
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 1: is instinct and understanding with Noel Williams that really excites me,

438
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Speaker 1: particularly as complicated as this defensive scheme is. Where he

439
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: can trick a quarterback into a play, and with his

440
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: ball skills, you have the real opportunity to get explosive

441
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Speaker 1: defensive plays.

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Speaker 2: He's impressive right multitude of ways, and so is Jeffrey

443
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Speaker 2: back where you just were speaking about, like Vasa. Go

444
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 2: listen to his press conference, Like does that alone it

445
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: makes you think, I can tell why this guy was

446
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: a green dot. I can tell why this guy was

447
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Speaker 2: the quarterback of the defense and the leader at Oregon.

448
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Speaker 2: And that's no easy task to be the quarterback of

449
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Speaker 2: a defense playing major college football on a program that

450
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Speaker 2: has national championship expectations. I mean, think about the pressure there,

451
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Speaker 2: and I think that actually helps him a lot coming

452
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Speaker 2: here because you come to the chiefs, there are expectations

453
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Speaker 2: right away, even for rookies, like you're expected to come

454
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Speaker 2: in here and if you can't keep up, they're going

455
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Speaker 2: to find somebody else, right, And that's the same kind

456
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Speaker 2: of thing at Oregon and at these major college programs.

457
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Speaker 2: And he dealt with that and was the green dot.

458
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Speaker 2: He was the leader. He was the one the coaches

459
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Speaker 2: trusted to execute the play calls defensively. And he explained that,

460
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: of course there's a lot coming in. So he thought

461
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,719
Speaker 2: that Day one was pretty good, but there were some

462
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Speaker 2: areas he could get better. Day two was the same thing,

463
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: like got better in some ways, But here's how I

464
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Speaker 2: can continue to improve. That's like the perfect mindset to have.

465
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Speaker 2: He didn't look overwhelmed to me at all. Would you

466
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Speaker 2: agree with that?

467
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Speaker 1: Oh no, In fact, he reminds me of the kid

468
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Speaker 1: who's taken college algebra in sixth grade. Yeah, Calcu is

469
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Speaker 1: a junior. Yeah you're taking Calcus a junior. Yeah, I've

470
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Speaker 1: got CALC two next year. That's what it looks like.

471
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Speaker 1: And you can just see where he's wicked, smart and

472
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Speaker 1: in control and understanding. And so when you projected ahead

473
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Speaker 1: and again it's it's rookie mini caamp I got it.

474
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Speaker 1: We could we just put a caveat on it. But

475
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Speaker 1: there's more there than meets the eye, because when you

476
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Speaker 1: go when you look at his video at Oregon, you're

477
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Speaker 1: seeing kind of stuff all over the place, especially as

478
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Speaker 1: his career grew there. But in the rookie Mini camp Bassa,

479
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Speaker 1: first of all, he looks more physical than he did

480
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Speaker 1: at Oregon. Sure doesn't. He's doing with that, and then

481
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Speaker 1: he's in control. It's like he's this is like you

482
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Speaker 1: know when it's like a baby bolt He's like a

483
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Speaker 1: baby Nick Bolton like and that I don't mean that derogatory,

484
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Speaker 1: like he's sitting there going so what does that do?

485
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Speaker 1: That tells you that with Bassard's where I get excited.

486
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: Looks like he can play Sam will or Mike, and

487
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: he played Mike and he's running the ran the defense

488
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Speaker 1: in the Senior Bowl. But he also is like running

489
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Speaker 1: the show here. And so all of a sudden, now

490
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: you've got insurance for every spot on the defense and

491
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Speaker 1: a green dot who can play for a green dot

492
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Speaker 1: if need be. Because when Bolt's gone down, Tranquil has

493
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Speaker 1: done it. He's really good at it. But now you've

494
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Speaker 1: got a guy that can. You don't have to move

495
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Speaker 1: Tranquill because bolts down. You get a Bassa. And I

496
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Speaker 1: think special teams wise him, Williams, we Go, even Jilotti.

497
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing those guys. Those guys could all be special

498
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Speaker 1: team stunts for sure.

499
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Speaker 2: Again, there are so many reasons to be excited about

500
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Speaker 2: this class. It's the special team's value immediately, it's a depth.

501
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: But also I can just see these players growing into

502
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Speaker 2: major contributors over time. And that's why we were so

503
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Speaker 2: excited about the twenty twenty two class. Same kind of thing,

504
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: like we think they can help us out in these

505
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: ways right away, but you can see there's a clear

506
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: room for growth where these guys could be like like

507
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Speaker 2: major contributors, maybe sooner than later, but for sure like

508
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: down the road. These are building blocks for this team

509
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Speaker 2: to keep this thing going for a long time if

510
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: they can keep building on their success. And like you said,

511
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Speaker 2: I mean it is rookie minni camp. I'm not trying

512
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: to get too fired up about it. I understand this

513
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: was not with the veterans. The pads weren't on. We'll

514
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Speaker 2: find out in training camp how much they can really

515
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: gel with everyone. But again, especially with a player like

516
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Speaker 2: Bassa when he's being asked to take in information, transmit

517
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Speaker 2: information with players that he's never met before, all the

518
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: trout guys that are here, and he did not look

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: like he was overwhelmed, Like it would be very easy

520
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Speaker 2: to look at him and be like, man, he his

521
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: head's spending a million miles an hour. And there have

522
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Speaker 2: been rookies in the past that I'm not going to

523
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: talk about where you can tell it's a lot, and

524
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Speaker 2: that's okay because it'd be a lot for anyone. But

525
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Speaker 2: I just think coming away from it, he really impressed

526
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Speaker 2: me in particular as someone that was able to handle

527
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Speaker 2: a very stressful situation with great poise. So yeah, fired

528
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Speaker 2: up about him.

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Speaker 1: All four of these defensive draftees look like spags guys

530
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Speaker 1: to me.

531
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Speaker 2: Well, then spags like like run into the draft room

532
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Speaker 2: and say like, hey, Bass is still on the board,

533
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Speaker 2: and they traded up for him. I mean they traded

534
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Speaker 2: up for a lot of these guys, traded up for

535
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Speaker 2: Noel Williams, right, yep, I think so.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely traded that for Bass and they knew that

537
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Speaker 1: they knew he'd be gone. Yeah, like you just made

538
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Speaker 1: that point. They knew in fact, that's you know, Brad

539
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: talked about it like they had to move to get him.

540
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Speaker 2: So you're going to trade up for a player, it

541
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Speaker 2: means that you really liked him. And sometimes you let

542
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Speaker 2: the board fall to you. We talk all about that,

543
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: and that's a good thing to do sometimes because let

544
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Speaker 2: the board fall to you. Whatever player you have on

545
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Speaker 2: top of your board or near the top of the board,

546
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Speaker 2: that makes sense, you go with that player. But sometimes

547
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Speaker 2: if you see a player that you love and he's

548
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Speaker 2: not too far away and he's not going to make

549
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Speaker 2: it ten to fifteen more spots, you go get him

550
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Speaker 2: if he fits your scheme, if he fits your culture

551
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Speaker 2: and what you're trying to do. And clearly we did

552
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Speaker 2: it with these guys, and it's got to be siding

553
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: for them to actually get these players on the field

554
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Speaker 2: and for them to find success early on. The next

555
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: step for these guys is to transmit that now, uh,

556
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Speaker 2: translate that now to OTAs here in a couple weeks

557
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Speaker 2: when the veterans are here.

558
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Speaker 1: Again, we're not talking about OEI, the International Agency of

559
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Speaker 1: twenty three Sovereign States.

560
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Speaker 2: Just in case you're waiting, We're not going to talk.

561
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Speaker 1: About it today, you know, next with further demand. But

562
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Speaker 1: I will say Chris McGowan, right, the battalion commander of

563
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Speaker 1: the Irish Brigade, who is a seasoned tickleholer of defending

564
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Speaker 1: the kingdom and defends the Kingdom all across the globe.

565
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Speaker 1: He's been in the military, around the military all of

566
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Speaker 1: his life, and the military is nothing but acronyms. Yeah everything,

567
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Speaker 1: you know, fistic. We know.

568
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Speaker 2: It feels like they go out of their way to

569
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Speaker 2: create act entries.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.

571
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Speaker 2: Like he could have just said it, but that's all right, Like.

572
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Speaker 1: Bold order, can't you just say bold order? No, it's

573
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Speaker 1: boh Man, that's Bo. That's bo. I didn't think it

574
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Speaker 1: that Bo was body order. No no, but it's acronym.

575
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Speaker 1: So this acronym for this episode is orientation, evaluation, and

576
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: installation with Rooky Minnikan. Now let's jump into the offensive rookies.

577
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Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, we know, because of his injury, is going

578
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: to be way limited. To me, this is where the

579
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: installation part comes in for Josh because and even evaluation

580
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: because even though he's not involved in the activities physically

581
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Speaker 1: almost all of them not being involved, how mentally is involved.

582
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Speaker 1: Is he mentally rapping if he's with the old line

583
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Speaker 1: first of all, and it sounds subtle, but he's hearing

584
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Speaker 1: the way you know, he's hearing the way the offensive

585
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: line coaches talk, He's hearing the way Andy Hack teaches

586
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: or what he says, and is he paying attention and

587
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Speaker 1: is he soaking in everything he possibly can because if

588
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: you're not physically rapping it, it's hard to just do

589
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: it mentally, and so to me, it was evaluation and

590
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: installation for Josh to pour so much into there, so

591
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: at some point it doesn't become where you're going to

592
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: have to think because it's a total reaction position. But

593
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Speaker 1: to me, I think that's where Josh Simmons is at

594
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Speaker 1: least to get started.

595
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta find ways to stay engaged. The good news

596
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Speaker 2: is he wasn't just standing on the sideline like all

597
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: of Murky miniicamp. He was doing individual stuff. He was

598
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: in a jersey out there in shorts, and he would

599
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: do individual stuff. He would line up with the offensive

600
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: line when they're doing just their their positional drills. Right, So,

601
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: if you've never watched like a training camp at practice,

602
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: it has lots of segments to it where you do

603
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: individual work, you do position stuff, You'll do installs where

604
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: you go over the plays basically, and then you'll go

605
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: into like a seven on seven or an eleven on

606
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: eleven offensive versus defense. He wasn't doing any offense versus defense,

607
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: wasn't doing any stuff that required like contact, But he

608
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: was doing a lot of the individual and positional stuff

609
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: where you're able to do those mental reps. And then

610
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Speaker 2: when you watch it, when you're watching your teammates do

611
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: the actual offensive defensive stuff, at least you can be

612
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 2: thinking about, Okay, here's what I worked on. Here's how

613
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: it looks in practice and it's up to him to

614
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 2: fully appreciate that and to use that when he can

615
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: actually go out there and do the full contact right.

616
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: So I mean, so far, so good. It's going to

617
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: be an incomplete grade for Josh Simmons for a while

618
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: now and so he can go out there and play.

619
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Speaker 2: But at least he was doing some stuff and that's progress.

620
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Speaker 1: I think the grade we can't see and we won't

621
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: see is the grade he gets and how much he's

622
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: absorbing and when he's facing coach Read or facing coach

623
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Speaker 1: Heck and getting the test, you know, are you passing

624
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: that test and did you pay attention in class? That's

625
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: where he's at right now. Jalen Royals. You know we're

626
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: excited about him. It looked like it was he was

627
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: just showing us what was on his draft sheet in

628
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: the fact that understanding coverages route running, especially in a

629
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Speaker 1: short area route running, and it'll be it'll be a

630
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: learning and work in progress. But there was enough to

631
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: see where you could get excited how Jalen Royals could

632
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: help this team.

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he stood out. So I counted number of catches

634
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Speaker 2: he had on Sunday. He had ten catches during seven

635
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: on seven and eleven on eleven stuff. That's a lot

636
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: because they're trying to spread the ball all over the place.

637
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, I mean the team portion of

638
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: practice is maybe like forty percent thirty percent, like it's

639
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: not a lot of the entire practice. So he was

640
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: getting a high percentage of targets thrown his way during

641
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Speaker 2: those periods of practice, and I felt like made the

642
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Speaker 2: most of it for the most part. You can see

643
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: how he's going to help this team immediately. I think

644
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: it's in a lot of ways how the Chiefs used

645
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Rashi as rookie year, where it's a lot of behind

646
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage stuff. It's a lot of like

647
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: tunnel screens, like wide receiver screens and stuff like that

648
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: underneath throws because that's where he makes his money. I mean,

649
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: he has this like stocky build where he's fast, but

650
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: he's not necessarily going to be like go route guy.

651
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't think he's like he's gonna outmaneuver a defender.

652
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna use his route running. He's going to use

653
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: his ability to get around the guy. Once he makes

654
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: the cat make a few guys miss, that's kind of

655
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: his strong suit. And I think coach Reid's going to

656
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: put him in a position where he can kind of

657
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: take advantage of what makes him such a great player.

658
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: And I think we saw it a little bit during

659
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: rookie camp. Again, no like full contact here, but the

660
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: flashes were there for sure, and I'm glad he got

661
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: a high volume and he was catching the football. That's

662
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: the most important thing. He even talked about how that

663
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: first day it's pretty nerve wracking, like you're out there

664
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: as a professional, but then kind of a second and

665
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: third day you kind of know the whole routine. Just

666
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: go out there and do what you've done your whole life, right,

667
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: And I think he showed real improvement throughout the weekend.

668
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: That and the fact that you could see conditioning wise,

669
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Now it wasn't Saint Joseph hot, but the weather.

670
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: Was gorgeous is amazing.

671
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: And the fact though that he's these wide receivers run,

672
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: they're running twenty to thirty to forty yards all the

673
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: time in.

674
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: The drills and straight back and then go right back

675
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: and do it again.

676
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're thinking, because didn't rush he like blow chunks.

677
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he did.

678
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: It was day one at Rocky miniciop last.

679
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Year, like, hey, man, Rush, he's blowing shunk out there

680
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: on the field. Well, so, hey, he's come a long

681
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: way since Hurland.

682
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: But uh, you know why that's important though, because in

683
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: so many ways, the way that coach read uses Rookie

684
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: Minicamp is it is essentially a trial run of OTAs.

685
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: Because if the rookies came in for OTAs in three

686
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: weeks without any of this, or even if like Rookie

687
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: Minni Camp was kind of like a blowoff kind of thing,

688
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: it would be overwhelming. It'd be way too much because

689
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: you're surrounded by like ten year veterans, professionals that know

690
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing, moving at the pace of practice.

691
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: It would be too much. Rookie Minni Caamp is great

692
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: because it's essentially the first couple of days of OTAs.

693
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: You're you're like practicing before things get real. So I

694
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: think Russia would be the first one to say like

695
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: he'd much rather be puking at Rookie Minicamp than like

696
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: it'd be day one or day two of OTAs, right,

697
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: And we saw him make real strides between Rooky Minni

698
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Camp and OTAs back when he was a rookie. It

699
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: was like night and day, so message exactly. So. I

700
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: think for these guys it helps kind of shake off

701
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: that anxiety, that nervousness of like I'm playing for the

702
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs right now and that's Andy Reid over there.

703
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: You know, for them, they can get through that part,

704
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: get through the jitters, and when they come back for OTAs,

705
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: it's football. You're good at this. You were brought here

706
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: for a reason. And that's why I think coach Read

707
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: utilizes rookie Minni camp in the perfect way.

708
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: And when you came in and you parked that vehicle

709
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: for OTAs, now you know what to expect exactly. So.

710
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't see Jaylen. He didn't blow chunks, did

711
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: he No, he looked great. Yeah, so I'm saying he's

712
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: off to a great start, better the last day than

713
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: maybe it was the first day. So that's also a

714
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: good sign, all right. Brishard Smith, same thing. Look kind

715
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: of like looking at his sheet, but the instinct that

716
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: he has as a running back and his ability to

717
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: be involved at a first level or second level area

718
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: to catch the football, I think showed up now. Protections

719
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: for any guy coming into the NFL at running back,

720
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: and particularly with Brashad being only a one year running

721
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: back at SMU, that's going to be man, you got

722
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: to get this down fast track because the protections are

723
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: way more complicated than college. Nothing against college coaching or

724
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: but it's just different. And in the NFL, how sophisticated

725
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: it's getting with pass rush and coverage and in the NFL,

726
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: you know Spags, we all talk about how sophisticated his

727
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: approach is. As a running back, you better understand protections.

728
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: I keep going back to some IJP Ryan Ear holding

729
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Derwin James in an agg Gapp blitz or Patrick Mahomes

730
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: might have been destroyed, and so that's that's going to

731
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: be something he's not going to catch on right away.

732
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: But you can see the ability for him to be

733
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: an impact player out of the backfield catching the ball.

734
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: That's one of the areas that Carson Steele made this

735
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: team last year. I remember his past pro battles at

736
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: Drew Trenkuill in training camp.

737
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: It was like epic.

738
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: It was like a must see TV like him and

739
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: Drew Trnkle going ahead to head and pass pro. Carson

740
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: really improved in pass pro over the course of his

741
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: offseason training program with US last year, and that will

742
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: be the deal for Smith as well. But at least

743
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: he was able to show off in a passing camp

744
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: that he's a former receiver and that you can catch

745
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: the football. He was getting a bunch of targets out

746
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: of the backfield kind of different levels of the field

747
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: as well. So his hands are great and that shouldn't

748
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: be a surprise. I think he's going to be a

749
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: weapon on this team. Again, he's got to earn it,

750
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: and they're just in shorts right now. But I was

751
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: excited about what I saw from him, just how he

752
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: can be a safety valve like Jared McKinnon was for

753
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: us for so long. And Coach Reed even pointed out

754
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: that because he was asked as Burshard, Smith remind you

755
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: of Jared McKinnon, and he's like kinda but like you know,

756
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: Jerk's kind of more of this kind of runner. Burshot

757
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: is this way it's for us to be like this

758
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: guy kind of reminds me of him, right, so therefore

759
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: he is. They're different players, but the way Jeric was

760
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: able to change the game as an outlet receiver out

761
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: of the backfield, particularly in the red zone, is an

762
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: area that I think Smith can help us right away,

763
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: and we'll see if he can earn that. But I

764
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: was impressed with what I saw over the course of

765
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: last weekend.

766
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: And we mentioned it in the last episode. His four

767
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: to three seven speed makes him immediate candidate to be

768
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: a returner, especially with the new kickoff rules with the

769
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: touchbacks go to the thirty five, there will be more

770
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: returns this year. All right, we'll close this way because

771
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: the other category, and there's sixteen of them, but I'll

772
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: let you pick one and I'll pick one. Okay, Now

773
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: get you get first shot is the UDFA. There's always

774
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: someone And you mentioned all the other udfas when you

775
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: talk to the banquet on Friday night. You mentioned all

776
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: those guys that have been some have become stars, Ring

777
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: of Honor players here with the Kansa City Chiefs undrafted players.

778
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: You'll get one, and I'll get one. Who is your

779
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: UDFA that you're going m he might have a chance

780
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: to make this too.

781
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Before I do that, can I give you one quick

782
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: fun fact about the tryout guys. Sure are you familiar

783
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: with Damien Alford?

784
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm not so.

785
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: He was a receiver out there for us this weekend

786
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: as a tryout player. He's six foot six, two hundred

787
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: and fifteen pounds runs like a four to four. He

788
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: originally went to Sarahcuse, then went to Utah last year.

789
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: During Rookie Minnie camp, in the middle of Rookie Mini caamp,

790
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: he was the number one overall pick and the CFL draft.

791
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? We had the number one overall pick

792
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: and the during during rookie camp. Yeah, he was drafted

793
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: by the Calgary Stampeders. I thought you would love that.

794
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

795
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he'll stick here. He might

796
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: go to the Calgary Stampeters for all I know, but

797
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: just know that forever that if you're ever watching the CFL,

798
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: that guy was in our Chiefs rookie mini camp. All right,

799
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: to answer your question, my guy is Jake brenningstool tight

800
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: end out of Clemson. You've probably heard a lot about

801
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: him if you're following the Chiefs undrafted free agent class

802
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: and what happened here this weekend because I've been posting

803
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: about him a lot. He just really stood out and

804
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: looked the part. He made a handful of leaping, spinning

805
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: catches deep down field, despite like sticky coverage and defenders

806
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: all around him in traffic. Like, he made a couple

807
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: of plays on Sunday when I was watching where I wrote, down, Wow,

808
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: that's the best play of the day, and then he

809
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: had another play where I'm like, actually, that's the best

810
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: play of the day. Like, he was just really, really impressive.

811
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: And I think he fits really well on Coach Reed's

812
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: offense because he's this classic kind of move tight end

813
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: sort of player where more than sixty percent of his

814
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: career snaps at Clemson were run out of the slot.

815
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: So he's not like a traditional big lumbering Blake Bell

816
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: kind of type. He's more of a Travis Kelcey, Noah

817
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Gray sort of player. He's like two hundred and forty dollars.

818
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: That's a great comp. Yeah, Dalton Kinkaid is a great

819
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: comp and he had great production during his career at Clemson.

820
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: Last two years combined, he had ninety nine catches for

821
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: over one thousand yards and twelve touchdowns. If you look

822
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: at the Chiefs depth chart at tight end, I think

823
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: he has a real chance to stick just because of

824
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: course you have Travis and Noah. I'm not quite sure

825
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: where Jared Wiley's progress is on his injury. I don't

826
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: know if he'll be ready for camp. I don't know

827
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: that maybe he will be. But regardless that fourth tight

828
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: end spot, if you include Wiley a third tight end,

829
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: it's Robert Tanian, it's Trey Watson another UDFA, and it's

830
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: Jake Brittingstool. So I think he has a real chance

831
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: to make this team. Got to keep it going here

832
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: into OTA's in training camp. But I came away even

833
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: more impressed than maybe what I was expecting going in,

834
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: Like he really stood out to me.

835
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mine would be such a long shot to

836
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: make the team, but he looks like a practice squad

837
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: guy to me that could end up helping because he

838
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: gets so many repsich Elijah Young, the old Missouri Tiger.

839
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: Then went to Western kent to Western.

840
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: Kentucky and blew it up. He had big he hit

841
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: a big year for the last year, a big deal

842
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: for the Hilltoppers. And again just take this with a

843
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: grain of salt, because that running back room is it's

844
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: going to be crowded. We just went through Smith and

845
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: you just mentioned Carson Steele. We know the other guys

846
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: who are there. Just saw Kareem Hunt a little bit fist,

847
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: Pump hugged him, and we know about Pop Pacheco, but

848
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: it was like, well, okay, who's this guy because he

849
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: kind of had an idea of what he was doing

850
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: and got a lot of reps. Yeah, so he becomes

851
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: a guy at least you watch it camp and going hmm,

852
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: either keep him on your database at the very least,

853
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: or a practice squad guy and one of those guys

854
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: if there's a rash of injuries or whatever that pops

855
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: up in November December. But it was one to bring

856
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: back for Mizoo fans, going oh, yeah, that guy.

857
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: It's one of those things where with the transfer rules

858
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: now we see a lot of players from smaller programs

859
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: transferring to big programs, but in this case, you might

860
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: look at him differently because he was in a crowded

861
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: running back room at Miszoo and then went to Western Kentucky.

862
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: So he was like an SEC caliber running back that

863
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: just wanted more opportunities and I can't fault him for that,

864
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: and he made the most of it at Western Kentucky

865
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: for sure. So yeah, I mean he looked good.

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00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: Again.

867
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: It's difficult for running backs in this camp, Like, really,

868
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: all you can do is I guess some pass pro

869
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: but not really. And you can catch the football and

870
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: you could do mental reps and rookie minnie camp. You

871
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: can't be running between the tackles. Not a lot of

872
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: nine on seven with pads on going on during this

873
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: time of year. But still he looked the part and yeah,

874
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: we'll see what he can do in training camp.

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Speaker 1: And I don't even know, is it or poll the

876
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: kid from Wazuo, Isa Pole Pole a so Isa Pole

877
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: is another one you're going m because there's always an

878
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent lineman that pops up somewhere practice squad

879
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: or otherwise and highly regarded at Wazoo. So we'll see.

880
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: And Elijah Badger is an interesting one too, wide receiver

881
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: flesh he did, I mean Badger led ASU Arizona State

882
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: and receiving two years in a row, then transferred to

883
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: Florida for last year, led Florida in receiving. So really

884
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: productive player at some big programs during his college career.

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Speaker 2: And also if you look at the receiver depth chart

886
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs, I know we talk a lot about

887
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: how we're so loaded there now, and I really do

888
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: believe we are, but there might be a real battle

889
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: for that fifth or sixth receiver spot when you really

890
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: break it all down. So I think Eliza Badger, if

891
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: he can prove it over the course of the off

892
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: season training program, actually has a chance. We'll see what

893
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: he can do on special teams.

894
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, former college teammate a Norman Lot when they

895
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: were both at Arizona State and then transferred to other

896
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: schools Tennessee and Florida, respectively. But rookie Minnie Camp's over Yep,

897
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: you can. You can overdo it when you analyze it.

898
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: But I think we can all come to the agreement

899
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Speaker 1: that it's OEI, it's orientation, it's evaluation, it's installation.