1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode. Jesus, fuck it got that ready? Yep, 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Bust and Spring Tour 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. If you're a Tier one joining us, 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: you guys know what to do. Welcome to Florida State 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: fans with open ours. If you're a Florida State fan 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: just tuning in, make sure you're subscribed and leaving comments. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: What we do on the Spring Tour is we go 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: to different stops. We just released the Nebraska interviews. Now 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: we're doing Florida State. We're gonna have Oregon and then Alabama. 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: But what we need you to do is make sure 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: you're subscribed. Because we sit down, we interview a couple 12 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: players and the head coach talk to them about the 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: previous year, the expectations of the upcoming year, because let's 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: face it, when we're in the offseason, we all have 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: the best expectations. We've all won the national title, so 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: the conversations are a lot more fun. You're about to 17 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: watch Braden Fisk and coach no head coach Norvelle, and 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: then tomorrow you will be watching Patrick Payton and DJ. 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to butcher your last name, but DJ 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback that went from Clemson to Oregon State and 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: now his final stop at Florida State. Again, thank you 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: so much for your support. If you're a Florida State fan, 23 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: it's your first time tuning in. Welcome to Bust with 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the Boys. Make sure you're subscribed, make sure you're leaving comments. 25 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: You can follow us at BUSS and WTB. Enjoy this episode. 26 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Big hugs, tiny kisses, solid Coach Norvell, thank you for 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: joining us. This is a pleasure. My first question, if 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: you're in the college, who will playoff? Do you guys win? 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: And second question two part question, do you think Kirk 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Kurvestreet would agree with your answer? 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: You know, I mean last year's team was a special team, 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: and you know I put I put nothing past what 33 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: that team would have accomplished. I know there's a lot 34 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: of adversity, you know, obviously losing a quarterback, you know, 35 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: having to go through the things we went through. But 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: you know, defense wins championships, and you know, you look 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 2: at that championship game and you know it was really 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: explosive and quality Louisville team, and you know our defense 39 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: rose to the occasion. We did what was necessary. So 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: I put nothing past with that team you did you 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: could have accomplished, but you know, also really proud of 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: all the things they did accomplish and yeah that's what 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: you know, for the choices and all the things that 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: were made. You know, we couldn't control all that, but yeah, 45 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: they did what they needed to do for thirteen weeks 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: and you know, forever you believe that that was one 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: of the one of the great teams, you know in 48 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: college football, you know, one of the great teams of 49 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: Florida State history, one of the great teams in college 50 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: football history. You look back, how many teams had an 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: opportunity to go thirteen to oh in today's age of 52 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: you know, your college athletics plain a very good schedule 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: and you know so I'm I'm grateful for what they did, 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: but put no doubt, no boundaries to what they would 55 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: have accomplished. 56 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Can you take us to the day where the selection, 57 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: the committee, they made their choices. You going into it, 58 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: are you thinking like you probably thought through all the 59 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: different angles we might not get in, we might get in. 60 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: No, I didn't think that. Actually, well you were shout 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: of doubt we're getting chosen. 62 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: I was, you know, ultimately that's what I believe, you know, 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it had never happened before in history of 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: college athletics, never been a power five team that went 65 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: undefeated that did not get a chance, uh to to 66 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: compete for a championship, and in today's age, and so 67 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: you know, you sit there and you look at it. 68 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: I was, I believe, do what you got to do, 69 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: and it's all gonna all gonna play out. 70 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: But you know, obviously that was not the case, right right. 71 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Did they give you any explanation on why or it 72 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: was just this is what it is. We don't have 73 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: to give you no reason why it happened, because around 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: the around the world, we heard it was because y'all 75 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 4: to have a starting quarterbacks all stuff that we're yeah, 76 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: we were hearing. So we heard, oh, since they haven't 77 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: started quarterback, why put them in in the national championship 78 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: game without a star quarterback? 79 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: That really, I mean it's you know, obviously there's a 80 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: group that was in a room, and you know they 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: made a decision based off what they whatever those conversations were. 82 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: You know, you know what people saw on national TV 83 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: from a selection show. 84 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what was real. 85 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: And you know, as I found out, when that logo 86 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: came up and it wasn't ours man, So you know, 87 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: it is like I said, it is what it is. 88 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: There's nothing that they can never you know, and really 89 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: no no explanations going ever, you know, you impact what 90 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: what happened for us, I mean we had to live 91 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: it and uh but yeah, just like I told the 92 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: team after that happened, you know, I mean, it doesn't 93 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: take away from what that team accomplished and did the 94 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: circumstances affect you know, your things moving forward, you know 95 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: for Art for that team, yes, and you know, ultimately 96 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: it was you know, it was it was a shame 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: that we didn't get to to to finish out with 98 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: a chance to compete for a national championship. But you know, 99 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: I definitely, uh, you're forever grateful for that, for that 100 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: team and the season that we did have. 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: So you do you think that's the decision why some 102 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: of the players chose to go to the draft and 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: not actually playing the Georgia game. 104 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I know you can have you know, for 105 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: for whatever people's beliefs are. You know, I've told people 106 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: that I think if we would have lost a CC championship, 107 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: we probably would have had I'm pretty certain we'd had 108 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: majority of those guys would have played based off you know, 109 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: how they how they how to finish and to finish 110 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: the right because we would have earned the loss, you know, 111 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: and that's ultimately you know, when you look at at this. 112 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: Game, I mean, you know, our guys, they. 113 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: Put a lot into it, and you know when you 114 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: see I mean it's a with a very talented team 115 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: and a bunch of guys that are making decision for 116 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: for their future and and right wrong or indifferent, you know, 117 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: just the thought processes. You know, we did everything that 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: we could to put ourselves in position, and we were 119 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: told that it wasn't good enough. And you know when 120 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: that when guys are trying to make a decision on 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: their future, that's what that was the. 122 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: Probably the biggest challenge for me. 123 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: And and you know, going back and forth with with 124 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: that and talking about options and and things of choices 125 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: of what guys were trying to make, you know, it 126 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: was it was difficult and I still say it was 127 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: the hardest month of my coaching career, you know, from 128 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: you know, win that championship, you know, the way that 129 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: we won. It was probably one of those gratifying wins 130 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: I've ever been a part of, but really only having 131 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: twelve hours to celebrate that and then you know that 132 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: next day, you know, everything from that point was really heartbreak. 133 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, it was. 134 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: It was a heartbreaking moment to have to to go 135 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: through and live through, and you know, to be there 136 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: for your players that you know gave so much and 137 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: you know, just that disappointment was was difficult. And you know, 138 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: you got guys that are making, you know, their multi 139 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: million dollar decisions on you know, if they go when 140 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: they play and they get hurt, then what does that 141 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: look like? Or you know, I mean obviously dealing with 142 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: the emotional and physical hurt of something happening to them 143 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: that had never happened before. But you know, I also 144 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: told him was like, you know, you know my opinion, 145 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: I didn't think it was right. I didn't think it 146 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: was fair whatever all those words are. But also in life, 147 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: there's gonna be plenty of things that happened in their 148 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: life that might not be right or might not be fair. 149 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: So make sure that you know. 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: As we work through that, that we stay true to 151 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 2: who we are and you really try to to understand 152 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: you know that every everything that you say, all that 153 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: you do, you know it's going to have an impact, 154 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: and it is. You know, that was a special team 155 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: and it's one that is going to be celebrated, one 156 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: that's going to be remembered. But you know, obviously I 157 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: hate how the how how it all finished. 158 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, go through that. 159 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: When you're how are you having those conversations because you're 160 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: obviously going through the pain and the disappointment just like 161 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the players are. But when they are making those decisions 162 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: either go to the draft or sit out for health 163 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: reasons or whatever the case may be, versus when you 164 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: were talking about if you were to lose the championship game, 165 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: you can't you earned that loss, and then you're excited 166 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: to almost go prove people wrong or whatever the case 167 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: may be. But going against a team like Georgia, how 168 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: are you having those conversations about trying to have those 169 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: guys motivate that, like, hey, we have another opportunity still 170 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: go out here and prove it against a team who's 171 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: been number one, they just had a they just had 172 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: a lapse, a loll against Alabama. If we go out 173 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: and beat this team, like you're basically you know not 174 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: that you want to make fake rings or anything else, 175 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: but you're out there able to kind of claim a title. 176 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean that's that was the you know, 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: there's a twofold challenge because one on you know, those 178 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: conversations and you know the opportunity and all those things 179 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: that are out there. But also you know, this selection 180 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: committee was that twelve fifteen by four point thirty, I 181 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: was at home visit because we had basically two weeks 182 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: of recruiting, so a lot of the messaging that, you know, 183 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: and that's where one of the things that I reflect 184 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: back to is, man, how could how could I have changed? 185 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: You know, to be there, you know even more, you know, 186 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: and to be able to support guys and just such 187 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: a you know, it's you know, it is a once 188 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: in a life. 189 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: Because it never happened again. 190 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: I mean there might be teams that get left out 191 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: and think they should be in or out, but they 192 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: would have earned whatever losses, whatever the record is. I mean, 193 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: if you're fighting for twelve or thirteen, whatever that number 194 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: is going to be eventually, you know, you still put 195 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: yourself in that position. You know, we had a team 196 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: that felt that it had earned and played and done 197 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: everything that was necessary to get you know, the shot 198 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: at it, and so but then having you know, going 199 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: on the road and you were fighting, we got two 200 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: weeks of signing day and you're fighting every everything that 201 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: you could fight for the class that's coming, you know, 202 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: and being able to like I said, I didn't go 203 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: into it with the contingency plan of oh if we 204 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: don't get in right, yeah, I mean that's that was 205 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: That was you know, never part of my thought process. 206 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: But you know, being able to try. 207 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: To connect with guys when I'm on the road, and 208 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, since some you know, we have our our 209 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 2: team communication and messaging and and so you tried to 210 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: be able to communicates as much as possible and our 211 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: coaches did a great job of trying to touch base 212 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: with that. But I mean it was it made all 213 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: the challenges even that much more magnified just with how 214 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: the schedule was. 215 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 3: But uh, you know, it was you have you had. 216 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: An opportunity and you know, to to be honest with 217 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: you and really, like I said, this is everybody can 218 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: have their own perspective of it. 219 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: You know, we had to live our our reality to 220 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: what it was. 221 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: And you know, there were guys that you know, that 222 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: felt that they put themselves in a position and uh so, coach, 223 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: we yes, we put ourselves at risk when it comes 224 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: to their to their professional opportunities. You win that game, 225 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: but what if that's still not good enough? And that 226 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: was the balance of trying to work through that was 227 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: with with guys. And we had some guys that played, 228 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: and you know, we had a good number of guys 229 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: that that did not, And you know, it was a 230 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: it was a hard choice for them to like, yeah, that's. 231 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: What everybody says, Oh, they're just that's they're making. 232 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: Man. 233 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: They poured everything it had into this team they put 234 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't respond the way that you did 235 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: when you think about the week eleven, we lose our 236 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: starting quarterback right going on the road, one of our 237 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: biggest rivals, you know, obviously in that game. 238 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 3: To be able to. 239 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: Resiliency, the response, the fight, I mean, all the things necessary. 240 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: We go down with our third string quarterback, they're in 241 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: the championship game, and to take all the steps that 242 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: were necessary to win that game. And it's that was 243 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: that was heart, That was character that I mean, it 244 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: showed the you know, the culture of what we had here. 245 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: And I mean even throughout the course of the season. 246 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: With four games last year, we were down ten points 247 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: and you saw a team that never got rattled. They 248 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: just continued to ression. Could we continue to fight? But 249 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: you know, like I said at the at the end 250 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: of it, with that decision that was made, uh, you know, 251 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: it was a difficult It was a difficult decision for 252 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: the players, it was hard for fan base, everybody. But 253 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: it was also something never that had never occurred before too, 254 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: and so that's what made it, you know, it was 255 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: you were treading new waters when it came to that. 256 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it shocked everyone and I and I 257 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: ultimately that's probably why they's twelve now, twelve teams are 258 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: now going in because probably what happened to Florida State. 259 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: Would you say, well, it was already going in motion. 260 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: I mean it was gonna go in motion, but then 261 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 4: that falls. 262 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Falls like because this year it would have been a 263 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, but it's I feel like it's gonna it 264 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: happens every year, but this year it's like you look 265 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: across the border, like the top ten twelve teams and 266 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: you're like, you know, this would have been a great 267 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: year for the playoffs because you know, obviously you have 268 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: an unfortunate situation like like Florida State, you're trying to 269 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: choose out of one lost big you know, Pack twelve 270 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: and Big ten. But yeah, this would have been a 271 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: great year. 272 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: For the for the Yeah, definitely, because you. 273 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: Had a It was like missoo was making a little noise. 274 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: They would squeak out some little wins to where it 275 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: would have just been fun to see the college fotball 276 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: playoff this year. Are you excited about the new the 277 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: transition to the playoff to the twelve team playoffs? Oh? 278 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know I think that you know, when 279 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: you get it, you get a chance to go, and 280 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: you'll compete, earn it on the field, get a chance 281 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: to go, you'll fight for a championship. And you know, 282 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: the great thing about college football is every game does matter, 283 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: and it doesn't it doesn't matter where, when, but you know, 284 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: being able to if you have a team that you 285 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: know hasn't either an early loss or have it to 286 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: have a team that you know. You look at the 287 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: Georgia team last year, I mean I watched them all 288 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: like that was probably the most talented group of of 289 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: any team that was in the country from last year's 290 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: team and you know they for whatever reason, you know, 291 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: they came up short in their championship game. And you 292 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: know that group, even a lot of the guys that 293 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: are going to the NFL that you know, they wanted 294 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: to finish together and leave on on the good note, 295 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: on a good note. 296 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: And so h you saw that. 297 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: But if you put that team in the playoff last year, 298 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: if you put us in a playoff last year, I 299 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: mean you're talking about there's gonna be a lot of 300 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: fun games to watch, and you know, and everybody has 301 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: their their own situations. I mean fighting, their injuries are 302 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: part of it. You know that that's the part of 303 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: the game. I mean, they don't stop a game in 304 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 2: the middle of it if somebody goes down. It's about 305 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: all the things we learned since we're kids and playing 306 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: this game. How do you respond? You know, you know 307 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: who's going to rise up, who's going to And that 308 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: was what will forever be remembered when it comes to 309 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: that team, just the thirteen week journey of all those 310 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: situations and what they did. So you know, I think 311 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: it'll be fun when you see twelve teams getting a 312 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: chance to compete for that because there's still gonna be 313 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: situations where somebody might be without a great player, right, 314 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: but if they've earned the right in then you can 315 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: see how they what they do with it. 316 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: That's so true. 317 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna move away from that because I'm a D 318 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: two guy. You a D two guy Central Arkansas. I 319 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 4: don't know if people on the team know that you 320 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: play wide receiver. You still hold the record I think 321 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: up there at Central Arkansas right. 322 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: Zone coverage meater Man, Yeah, I think I think he's 323 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: first and fifth on the list. 324 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, he like, I think he had like two hundred 325 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: and thirteen receptions, two thousand, six hundred and eleven yards, 326 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: fifteen touchdowns, one rushing touchdown, two passing touchdowns. 327 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: Correct sounds good? Yeah, yeah, oh hey he knows. Yeah, 328 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,479 Speaker 3: I know that you're thirteen all the other stuff. Yeah, 329 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: I know. 330 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: So like, is that what you know pretty much led 331 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: you to being a GA right out of Central Arkansas? 332 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: You was just like, yo, I want to be I 333 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: want to coach. Did you not see yourself going to 334 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: the NFL. What was the reason why you went straight 335 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 4: to GA right out of college? 336 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 337 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: So, man, I've known I've wanted to coach since I 338 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: was in the seventh grade. This was my my passion. 339 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: I've never had an option B. This is what I've 340 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: always wanted to do. Some of the most influential people 341 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: in my life were my coaches from my Pop Warner 342 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: coach David Riese, and he still comes to our games 343 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: nowadays to you know, I was so blessed to have 344 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: great high school coaches, college coaches. 345 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: You know, this was my path, This was my journey. 346 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: You know, obviously every player has a dream of playing 347 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: in the National Football League, right you know, I made 348 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: the most of my college career. You know, my senior year, 349 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, it was unfortunate. I dealt with a lot 350 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: of injuries. I'd have two surgeries right when the season 351 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: was over. I had knee and shoulder surgery. You know, 352 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: I actually thought that my skill set would have probably 353 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: been better in you know, CFL or one of those 354 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: one of those other leagues. Just but when I had 355 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: the injuries and I knew the rehab and you know, 356 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: all the things, I kind of played through that senior year. 357 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: You know, I could chase the dream to continue to play, 358 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: or I could follow, you know, follow the passion of 359 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: what I wanted to be. You know, for the long term, 360 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: and so I immediately you had the surgeries, you know 361 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: I was doing, you know, jumped right right into coaching. 362 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: I got a chance to be a graduate assistant there 363 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: my first year at U c A. And you know, 364 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: obviously had some some doors open, you know, there are 365 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: those those next couple of years, and uh, he was 366 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: able to follow the passion of being a coach and 367 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: been very fortunate for I've been able to do it 368 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: with Yeah, because. 369 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: It was in Arizona State, Pittsburgh, Uh, Tulsa, Memphis, that's 370 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 4: where you got three A C championships, correct, Yeah. 371 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: The three three divisional chamships and obviously the one the 372 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: one A. 373 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 4: C C champ Okay, yeah, yeah, And so you accomplished 374 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 4: a lot. Then to come to Florida State changed that 375 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: program to be where you're at now. 376 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: Just tell us a little bit about that. 377 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: Leaving Memphis and then coming to Florida State. 378 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean I loved I loved my 379 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: time at Memphis, and so it was a great place, 380 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: great opportunity. You know, when I when I became the 381 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: head coach there, I was the youngest head coach and 382 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: and uh, you know Division one football at the time 383 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: and so blessed with opportunity, and you know, we were 384 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: able to to do some wonderful things in that program, 385 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: get some great players, and then you know when the 386 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: when the the chance you know, came and presented itself 387 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: to to come to Florida State. It was truly a 388 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: special one. And this was a program. I grew up 389 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: in Dallas, Texas. You know, I really didn't have any 390 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: affiliations to to a to a school. But you know, 391 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: the very first piece of college memorability I ever owned 392 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: was a night ninety three National Championship license plate and 393 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: that was the only thing I actually had on my 394 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: wall and had, you know, the great players, you know, 395 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: Derek Brooks worked done, Charlie where their names are up 396 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: all in this license plate, and it was something that 397 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: you know, I was a Florida State fan, even not 398 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: having a tide to the program, but it was really 399 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: you know, you know when we were all coming up, 400 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just how they played, It was 401 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: a mentality, it was just the place and so uh 402 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 2: and I love that and you know, so much respect 403 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: for Coach Bowden just how we did it. The the 404 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: sustained success over all the years I mean you could 405 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: you could bank on a Borida State was going to 406 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: be in the in the national title hunt. They were 407 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: going to be in the conversation all the great players. 408 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: And so when the opportunity presented itself, you know, the 409 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: program had found you know, some challenging times, and you know, 410 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: I had an absolute passion and desire to want to 411 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: be a part of getting this program back to where 412 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: it deserves to be. And it's, uh, it's been a 413 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: great joy, you know, being able to meet all the 414 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: past players, you know, be able to uh, you know, 415 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: you establish the culture we desire and continue to grow 416 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: and and you know, like I said, get this program back, 417 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, in regards to not only we were doing 418 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: on the field, but also you know, how we represent 419 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: it off the field. And that's something that's really important us. 420 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm proud of this team. I'm proud 421 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: of the coaches, you know, everybody involved. We got a 422 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: wonderful administration and so we're excited about continuing our clime 423 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: to where we ultimately want to be. 424 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: Who who are a couple of mentors along your journey 425 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: that you reflect on that's gotten you to this point 426 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: of being the head coach of Florida State. 427 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, I know it's funny, but 428 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: like I mentioned, my my Pop Warner coach. You know, 429 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: I remember, you know, I'd stay with when I was eight, nine, 430 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: ten years old, I'd stayed with, you know, with him 431 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: a couple of nights a week. 432 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: He had two younger kids, you know, of his own. 433 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: But you know, he started pouring in and caring about 434 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: you know, a young boy, you know, more than a position, 435 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: more than a jersey, and just really trying to just 436 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: show all the great things that the game of football 437 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: really are about. You know, wonderful high school coaches. You know, 438 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: Mike Barber was my high school coach. You know, form 439 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: played in the NFL. You know, had somebody that you know, 440 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: had great success. And so I got to you know, 441 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: that perspective of it, you know, going to college and 442 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: you know having to you know, you know, you playing 443 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: I would say you're playing the bus league when you 444 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: played D two. 445 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: I mean you you you get to find out real 446 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: life who loves the game. Yeah, obviously how we do it. 447 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: You had a great, great time there at Central Arkansas 448 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: and then you know, as I as I transitioned into 449 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: into the college coaching, and you know, when I went 450 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: to Tulsa, you know, I got a chance to be 451 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: under Gus Malson. 452 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 3: He was the offensive coordinator. 453 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: Todd Graham was the head coach, and uh, you know, 454 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: just really being able to gain a lot from their 455 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: perspective and in program organization and you know, different things, 456 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: you know, schematically, you know, I you know, obviously Gus 457 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: you know has. 458 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: Done wonderful jobs. 459 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: You know, wonderful job he had great you know success 460 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: at high school ranks and then what he was able 461 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: to do in the college ranks has been really remarkable. 462 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: But having those relationships and being able to to to 463 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: learn ball from that, but also you know, be able 464 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: to kind of develop your your own perspective, your own 465 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: belief your own values of of what if you get 466 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: the opportunity to lead a program or leader side of 467 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 2: ball or lead a position group, what do you want 468 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: to look like? 469 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: And so that's been a big part for me. 470 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: You know, I remember, you know, Todd Graham was you know, 471 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: he was a head coach, but he was also you know, 472 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: it's good a defensive coordinator and most most respects of it, 473 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: and just our conversations, I learned more more about what 474 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to do offensively just from sitting in with 475 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: him of what he didn't like to face defensively, and 476 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: so it was really you know, those conversations, I mean 477 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: those we were were huge and just my my thought process, 478 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: and I think helped give me a you know, a 479 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: broad scope of of understanding to a program. And you know, 480 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: when I did get a chance to be a head coach, 481 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: I mean I tried to implement a lot of those things, 482 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: but you know, stay true to to who I am 483 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: and what I believe. 484 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: When you're chasing those ambitions as becoming a head coach 485 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: one day, are you like, are you like collecting? Are 486 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: you journaling? Are you writing things down? Like how are 487 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: you keeping some of these processes? Or I really like this, 488 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: I like this core value, like this from this coach, 489 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: I like this from this coach. Are you like collecting 490 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: all of this stuff so that way, when one day 491 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: you do have the shot, you're kind of trying to 492 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: refer back to it. 493 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I just read I really if I 494 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 2: I wish I would have because they're probably be even 495 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: some more detail things that I wouldn't have had to 496 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: you know that I would have had maybe a little 497 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: different perspective on as I made the transition, but you know, 498 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: and I encourage our coach. 499 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Is. 500 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: One thing I've always tried to do is regardless of 501 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: what your job title is or prepare. 502 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: For what you want to be. 503 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: And when I was a ga OH, I tried to 504 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: prepare as if I was a position coach. Now I 505 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: had a job and a responsibility, and I wanted to 506 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: be the best in the United States of America. Whether 507 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: it was getting a cup of coffee, whether it was breakdowns, 508 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: whether it was whatever I. 509 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: Had to do. 510 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: I wanted that to be done at an elite level 511 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: because that was my job. But also tried to prepare 512 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: as if I was the position coach. 513 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: And that's I think that. 514 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: Perspective, you know, because you know as you go through 515 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: and you're coming up in a profession, it can be football, 516 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: it can be anything. Right, you never know when your 517 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: opinion is going to be asked, right, but whatever that 518 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 2: response to the question is, oh, that's gonna that's going 519 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 2: to be impactful to what you know. Somebody understands your 520 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: perspective when they understand your knowledge, and so I always 521 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: try to be prepared for the question when I make 522 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: a position coach, I tried to always prepare as if 523 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: I was a coordinator and I would run things. I 524 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: would run things through my mind as if I was 525 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: already doing the job. When I became an office coordinator, 526 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: I tried to prepare as if I was the head coach, 527 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: And so I always tried to prepare as if I 528 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: was the next the next job, and you still have 529 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: to do yours. But you know, like I even know 530 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: as when I was a GA, I would not do 531 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: any of my GA work right of that couldn't be 532 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: done for the next day. I would do that after 533 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: everybody left, because I didn't want to be out of 534 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: the meeting room to miss out on the information. And 535 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot in part of the 536 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: first you know, five months of you know, working for 537 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: coach Mileson. I don't know if he ever asked me 538 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: a question, but during the middle of the season, I 539 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: remember when he asked my opinion, and I thank God 540 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: for all those meetings that had been in the understanding 541 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: I had at the offense, all that we were trying 542 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: to accomplish. 543 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 3: I actually gave him a response that that was a. 544 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: Value and how you build and earn trust in and 545 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: you know your your perspective and your knowledge because you're 546 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: you're willing to be a heard of it. If I 547 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: would have just gone in and just done the GA work, 548 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: you know, I might have missed some of those opportunities. 549 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: I might have missed that perspective and really the overall 550 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: knowledge of what we were doing. So you know, always 551 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: I always try to challenge you, our young coaches and 552 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: even your older coaches. I mean, off, it's a coordinator, 553 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: but you want to be a head coach or And 554 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: to be honestly like, that wasn't I didn't just this dream. 555 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 3: Oh I want to be a head coach. 556 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: And I remember there's a lot of things I didn't 557 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: know if I'd even like about being a head coach, 558 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: But when the right opportunity presented itself, it was the 559 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: right fit. And now I love I love all elements 560 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: of my job that you know, I didn't even know 561 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: I would years back. But it's still preparing yourself for 562 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: what could be ahead. 563 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: I love that, and your parents see it. 564 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 4: I mean, ACC Coach of the Year Bobby Paul Paul 565 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: Bear Bear Bryan Award, Bobby Dodd Award twenty twenty three. 566 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: I mean, all your peers see it. Obviously you put 567 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 4: into work, we see it on the field. So you know, 568 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 4: I'm just thankful to be here to talk to you. 569 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: Just watch what you have done to this program and 570 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 4: also being a D two guy and accomplished so much 571 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: because I see myself doing that bus league one day, 572 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: you know, maybe being a coach and accomplishing some stuff 573 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 4: like you did. 574 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you sit there and you go through it, 575 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 2: and everybody's got a different path, you know, But for me, 576 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: it's it's who you get to do it with. And 577 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: you've been able to try to make that impact for others, 578 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: and uh, you know I've been I've been fortunate. You 579 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: talk about the Coach of the Years award, those are 580 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: the staff awards, man, those are for our players. Those 581 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: are I mean, I'm grateful. 582 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: You know. 583 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: Obviously when you have the title, a lot of attention 584 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: goes to it, and you know, I've got to, you know, 585 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: make sure that I just continue to help and push 586 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: us to the standard of what I know that we 587 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: can accomplish and what we can do. But you know, 588 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for who I get to do it with, 589 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: and you know, I get you We've got a wonderful group, 590 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: great you know, great players that that buy in and 591 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: allow us to coach them and to push them to 592 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: to to that next level. And uh, you know, we're 593 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 2: excited about where we're going. And you know, definitely uh, 594 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: you know, fortunate for the opportunity. 595 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 3: What are a couple of. 596 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: Things you don't like about the head coaching position? 597 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: What are a couple things that I do? 598 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you say, like as you were coming up, You're like, 599 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: do I even want to be a head coach? Like 600 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: maybe when you're a coordinator? Are there things about this 601 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: job I might not like? 602 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: Like? 603 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: What might be a couple of you know, I think, well. 604 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: Let's just say hypothetically, you know, hypothetically in a different world. 605 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: You sit there and you go through like coming up, 606 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: and you know, some of the budgetary decisions that have 607 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: to be made because as a coach, you want what 608 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: everything for your players, and I want to be able 609 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: to to help give them all the resources everything I need. Well, 610 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: you know, the path that I've had coming up, you 611 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: got to learn how to sometimes do more with less, 612 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm grateful for some of those experiences 613 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: because now I get to prioritize what it's going to be, 614 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: and you know there might be some some flash things 615 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: that are that that maybe we didn't have or we 616 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: chose not to have to be able to get things 617 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: that made a difference. And you know, for me, you know, 618 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: it's like being able to understand the identity of what 619 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: we want a team to be and then make sure 620 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: everything along the way points to the identity. And as 621 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: you come to a place like Florida State and the 622 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: resources and as we've continue even as we've continued to 623 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: grow and push over these last four years, I'm excited about, 624 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: you know, the impact and the and the resources we've 625 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: been able to pride for our players. But that was 626 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: something that I did not you didn't necessarily enjoy early 627 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: because when you have to choose not to do something 628 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: because you just didn't have it into a budget, that's tough. 629 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: But then it's also the things that I grew to level, right, well, 630 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: how can we work to get things necessary to get 631 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: the job done and provide our players with all that 632 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: we can And you know, it's it is a but 633 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: on the flip side of it, the thing that what 634 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: I love about my job, and there's nothing like Every 635 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: decision that I make right impacts so many and it's 636 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: the importance of every decision, so you don't get to 637 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: any of the throwaway decisions. I'll never forget my first 638 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: day on the being a head coach at Memphis. You know, 639 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: you sit there and there's no like script out here here, 640 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 2: your head coach, you have to go do it right. 641 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: It's your program. Go right and do the press conference. 642 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: You'll get a chance to meet with the team, all 643 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: those things. 644 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm feeling it. It's ready, it's rolling right. 645 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: I remember coming back to my office and you my 646 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: administrative assistant, Sherry Schwartz, wonderful woman, a lover. Okay, she 647 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: comes into my office right and she goes, coach, what 648 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: time do you want me coming to work tomorrow? 649 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: Because the previous staff I got to do this. 650 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: And this. 651 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: That's as simple of a question as you can imagine. 652 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: But whatever response I gave her was going to impact 653 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: her life, her life when she comes to work, when 654 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 2: she leaves work, whatever the things that she's used to, 655 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: whatever she needs. 656 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: Like that decision, you. 657 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: Know, in all honesty, at that moment, like just miss 658 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: you sure well, you know whatever I told her was 659 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: going to be impactful for her life experience. And that's 660 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: what I love because you get asked a million questions 661 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: as a leader, but do you understand that even the 662 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: smallest answer is going to have a monumental impact for 663 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: those around you. And I love that because every day, 664 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 2: I mean, you have to be on it. You got 665 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: to be You got to have a broad scope, the 666 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: willingness to say no to certain things. You know, kind 667 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: of like as we talked about with the budget, you 668 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: got to the willingness to say no that might not 669 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: be pleasing to somebody in a moment, but it's better 670 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: for the big picture of it that those are the 671 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 2: those are the fun experiences that you get to because 672 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: I've made plenty of mistakes and decisions and you learn 673 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: from those, you get better from those, and you know, 674 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: it's just that's that's what I do love about. 675 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: The inneral That's awesome. You aspired being the NFL NFL 676 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: A coach one day, you. 677 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: Know, I mean you never know, I mean never say 678 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, never say never, But like you know, I 679 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: do love the opportunity I get to impact eighteen to 680 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: twenty two year olds and this time of their life, 681 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: you know, to be able to help build and facilitate 682 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 2: habits that are going to help them be successful there 683 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: at the next level. You know, I love the relationship 684 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: aspect of it. You know, the first time guys have 685 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: to leave home, they're not going to see in their 686 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: parents every day, or their loving them, their guardian, whoever 687 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: that might be. You know, helping build them in that 688 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: moment is critical and I get so much enjoyment out 689 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: of that. You know, you get to be a true 690 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: difference maker for him. You know, to say that I'd 691 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: never have any aspirations. Uh, And I'm not going to 692 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: say that that would never be the case, but right, 693 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I absolutely love getting to do what I 694 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: do and I can't see doing anything else. 695 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: You got anything else for coach Crush? Yeah, hey, thank 696 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: you so much. This has been This has been a pleasure. 697 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys being here. It's a wonderful place 698 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: and uh and enjoy enjoy the visit and goings. 699 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: What uh, what game would you recommend us to come 700 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: to this year? 701 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: There's there's nothing like There's nothing like the the last 702 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: one we're gonna have, the last record season game here 703 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: is gonna be be pretty live. 704 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: I can promise you that, okay, all right, you might 705 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: have to come to that one. 706 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: Coach. Thank you man, a great one. 707 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate you. 708 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: I think can we take a photo