WEBVTT - Beating The Book: Alan "Dink" Denkenson 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:11.840 Check it down, man, now down. Then it's the Meeting 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.040 the Book Podcast, Bill, alex Brander. I hope you're saying, 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:20.160 saved during this pandemic. Another sports betting profile during this 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.560 strange time in our lives. Again, Allan Boston has been 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.240 kind enough to join us to do this with us, 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.200 Rufus Peabody Captain Jack Andrews, Bob Stole has sat with 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.760 us to just talk about their evolution as people, but 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.680 specifically for our purposes as sports bettors. Each story as 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.560 fascinating as the previous one. Today, UH fits that Bill. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.280 This is a gentleman who I have never met before. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.080 I talked to him this past week icon in the 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.640 sports betting world. He was one of the subjects, of course, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.680 UH profiled and the best of it that you may 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.959 recall from Allen Boston was also in that one. This 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.520 is Alan dink Dnkinson, a story unlike any other. Everybody's 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.600 got their own. His as unique as they come. Real 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.200 kind of him to sit down and discuss. Hopefully you 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.360 can draw some inspiration from it. Dank on the Beating 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:23.640 the Book Podcast, Enjoy it's a numbers game with your 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:28.240 host Jil Alexander. You want those mutios too believe in analytics. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.279 It is a numbers game right here at Visa Megas. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.759 That's in information network Serious x M Channel two four, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.320 Visa dot Com, the Visa at Fubo Slaying game, plus 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.720 the sports betting network. As I mentioned Gil Alexander live 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.160 from San Francisco. During this pandemic, I have tried to, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.440 for lack of a better comparison, transition into sort of 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:53.240 Roy Firestone Bob cost this mode and profile some bettors, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.680 guys that we otherwise might have a tough time getting 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.120 in and doing them justice with enough time when we 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.200 have a standard sports schedule. Rufus Peabody has been kind 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.640 enough to join us. Uh. Captain Jack Bob Stole, Dr 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:11.239 Bob Alan Boston of course kicked it off force today. UM, 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.920 I'm real thrilled to have this guy on. I have 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.200 not had the opportunity ever to have spoken to him 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.720 prior to this. He cut his teeth back in the 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.680 day when he was a kid betting horses in New York. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.880 Became a bookmaker New York, New Jersey, pretty sizeable bookmaker. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.680 Didn't go so well. UH in the end, got busted. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.520 UH spent some time in jail, came to the dark 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.720 side after that, the dark side meaning the betting side. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.440 Maybe not the dark side, maybe that's a good side. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.519 Uh and uh. It has been a renowned sports better 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.320 for many many years, primarily on the sport of hockey, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.960 and has been the subject really of a couple of films. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.079 One Bruce Willis playing a character that was based on 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.320 him in TeVeS Lay the favorite. Then, of course many 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.200 of you familiar with the best of it from Alan 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.480 Ding Dinkinson. Good morning to you, sir, Thanks for doing this, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.800 thanks for having me go um, apologize for the long intro. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.560 Can I go through the first Let me just start 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.480 here with two perfunctory questions that I did not reflect 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.160 on very uh, very deeply. But one the last name 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.560 is Dinkinson. The nickname is dink Was that just somebody 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.359 mispronouncing it? At some point my sixth grade teacher was 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.600 calling me Dinkinson. And then uh, I was caught by 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.119 a fellow student in my class doing my math homework 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.960 during class. Uh. He came up to the teacher and said, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.880 Dinky is doing his math homework and sometimes a dinky 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.680 name has stuck for fifty five years since that day, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.920 and there it is should I should I address you 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.240 as Dinky? Would that be okay? Alan? Seems a little 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.160 either w are you having it all? You really? So 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.280 I'll go there. Uh. And the other thing is and 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.560 please forgive me because you could I'm I'm risking you 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.120 walking off the set here. But I'll tell you a 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.400 little story. Me and my buddy E, who is a 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.080 very successful professional better we were walking out of a 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.840 Vegas Golden Knights Tampa Bay Lightning game in the Nights 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.240 first season, and you may recall this. It was the 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.160 game where the Nights scored with seconds left to win it. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.440 It was pretty dramatic ending. I think the Lightning had 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.240 come back to tie it up, and then Golden Knights 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.920 went in the second And as we're walking out of 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.159 the state, actually as we got into park MGM, which 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.760 I think at the time was still the Monte Carlo, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.600 my buddy and I don't know why we brought you up, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.400 but we started to have a conversation about you, and 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.680 then like just apparition, you appeared. And the reason that 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.440 we saw you from afar is obviously because of your hair. Um. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.680 This is the first thing that people see those are 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.520 watching at Visa Dot com and the visa app. Has 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.760 this always been a signature of yours? Um, this is 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.279 my hair, this is your hair, this is what it is. Yeah, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.160 I guess that's kind of because my dad plus this. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.920 They are a pretty young age, so um, it's been 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.960 one of those things that, yeah, I'm known for. Not 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.279 my favorite thing to be known for, but it's okay, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.200 let's just put it this way. We wouldn't have spotted 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.760 somebody else from far just his signature of yours. It's 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.080 very icono. Remember I remember that game I was with 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:27.599 inside the pylons In that game, legend that time back 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:32.720 to his car with part by parts. Who are who 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.719 are you with? I'm sorry I missed it inside the pylons. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.599 He's a pretty famous Twitter horse player. Okay, inside the 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.440 pylons I did. I'm sorry I didn't hear. All right, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.760 I promise you. I think the question the questions get 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.200 better from here on out, I promise you. Let's start 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.720 at the beginning. I mentioned that you, uh, you grew 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.480 up betting horses in New York. Where did you grow 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.320 up specifically, and what was your first experience with the 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:01.320 glory that is wagering? There? I'm my first thirty seven 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.120 years was spent in various places in Queens. UH. I 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.599 grew up my first ten years in Richmond Hill, moved 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.840 to South Jamaica, which was a co op on the 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:16.480 old South Jamaica race track. UM. At fifteen, I was 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.599 playing a lot of basketball and two of the older 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.159 kids took me to Roosevelt Raceway and that they changed 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.440 my life. So two kids, I have lost, two guys. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.039 I've lest touch with Steve Rosenblatt and Barry Lieberman. I 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.440 wonder if there's still listening to sports talk radio UH. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.320 And that I loved it there and I fell in 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.720 love with the action. I didn't have any money, but 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.279 I think that helped me because I was pretty regularly 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.840 going to the tracks since I was sixteen, without a 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.760 bank roll until I got one, and by that time 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.359 I kind of learned enough about handicapping to be making 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.080 a profit. While I was going to college mostly in 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.480 the night tracks. I was a harness track New York, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.920 and then I segue to day tracks kind of when 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.960 that game fizzled. But I was there the opening day 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:12.160 at the meadow Lands. I think I went to Roosevelt 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:17.840 every every day for meat except two. It was it 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.720 was just my life was going to school during the day, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.440 going to college, not doing any work outside of the classroom, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.360 going to classes, playing poker in the cafeteria, and then 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.840 going to Roosevelt Raceway. It sounds like a lovely childhood 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:40.160 to me. Your favorite it was when I cut my 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.240 teeth in when I was seventeen, you know, to be 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.960 a beginning of my gambling career was all horses. I 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.520 met a man after track who was a small bookmaker, 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.560 and he told me to gather up my friends and 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.000 have them bet with him, and he'd give me of 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:02.200 the losses back well the quarter sheet. Uh. After two 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.840 years of doing okay, I realized maybe I should do 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:12.920 this myself and the lesson. So I was booking for 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.600 a little while while I still lived with my parents 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:20.040 and Forest Hills. Okay. So I teased at the top 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.960 that eventually you got busted. I would imagine you got 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.240 big enough. What Maybe it didn't have anything to do 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.400 with you being a big enough bookmaker. Maybe it happened, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.520 Maybe it had to do with a specific client. How 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.640 did you ultimately run the foul of the law with that? 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.920 Um I grew I started booking, you know what, we 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.760 considered squares. Then I gradually got a sheet of wise guys. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.560 I booked the Kosher's, I booked the computers book MCTEA Appleman, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:55.520 I booked Alan Boston in his formative years. UM and 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.480 that turned me into a broke bookmaker because I wasn't 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.800 able to handle wise guys. For a while, I had 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.600 to borrow some money, regrouped, learned how to be a 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.840 good bookmaker, grew my strategy. Was never turned down a 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.960 customer who paid. You know, it was hard for a 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.720 while because I had like eight wise guys and I 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.160 never got buy backs in those games at that time. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.800 And to think about what year that was, not about 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:30.320 seventy seven, those games started winning extremely regularly. Uh So 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.080 that put me in a hole. I got out of 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.160 the hole. I turned my business around. I ended up 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:41.280 having hundred fifty customers with that regularly. There was always 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:47.400 two way action. I opened at four o'clock Eastern and 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.800 my first two customers were Mickey Appleman. Mickey Appleman and 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.760 Alan Boston, and they would fire the whole college basketball 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.120 board a lot of times against each other at the 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.720 same number. I ev aided. I didn't want a book 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.400 that high. I wasn't the biggest bookmaker in the world, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.160 but I took I took NBA called NBA Totals, which 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.200 weren't very popular back then. Um, and there was a 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.360 lot of two way business from Middler's versus sharps, and 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:20.040 that helped me as well get a bank roll. UM, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.040 I would an agent would give me a customer, and 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.640 I got one from Detroit. No idea who he was 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.360 only talked to him one or two times as a person. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.640 He was just a name and a better who kind 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.320 of was I guess I could see that he was 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.080 betting the sharp sides late, so I guess he was 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.319 laying off his business, which I never cared to discuss. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.040 It just was just a customer and he was betting 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.080 the right sides very late, so he really didn't have 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.360 an advantage betting bad numbers. Uh. It turned out he 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.400 was involved with Isaiah Thomas and running a dice game, 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.360 and yes, I was aware of him, and they tapped 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.160 his phones and I was one of his bookmakers, and 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.360 they assumed I worked for him as opposed to just 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:17.400 have a customer book maker relationship with him. Got arrested. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.320 Took four years for the case to get prosecuted. I 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:26.079 hired a very good sentencing lawyer, Alan Ellis, and he 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.200 probably saved me from going to real jail. That I 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.800 got into a work released jail, so I worked at 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:39.920 a friend's deli for three hundred days straight, work every day, 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.520 so I was never really in jail during the daytime. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.920 It was kind of sleep over jail, so that it 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.760 wasn't that bad. You know. I drove my car to jail, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.959 and I drove my car at work, and then I 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.640 drove my car back. I took an extra hour or 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.480 two to go to a g A meeting with uh 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.760 happened at CHET four to Chet forty Monday night. Football 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:10.120 director was at that meeting. To um, we were friends 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.480 that passed away in a year or two after I 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.760 got released from jail or from the halfway house of 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:22.160 the work release program. Um. You know that that got 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.520 me a felony, and then I decided I can't do 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.840 this anymore because the second felony might need some serious 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.720 jail time. So I had thought I learned enough from 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.400 the people who bet with me to be a successful 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.719 better and just like my bookmaking career, I learned the 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.520 hard way that that's not that easy, and I had 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.320 a regroup there too. I had a decent amount of 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.000 a decent bank roll which got cut into because I 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.280 that too high from my talents um. But then again 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.120 I learned to take that into consideration, work harder. Still 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.079 was always a good hockey handicap. I was trying a 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.880 little too hard to win a baseball regrouped, build up 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.080 my bank roll again, and now I've been doing that 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:16.080 from ninety five I moved to Vegas, so five twenty 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.920 five years on the other side, so about fifteen years 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:24.240 book making, twenty five years betting, maybe a little more 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.440 in the betting side. I mean, isn't the biggest, the 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.480 biggest point of all that to me, the big takeaway. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.440 Obviously it's a it's a roller coaster ride for you. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.920 But you know, running running foul the law side. If 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.959 we could just put that to the side table that 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.120 for a second you could not have gotten, it would 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:50.600 seem a better education, Uh, to become a successful sports 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:55.359 better then from your entire trajectory, right like to to 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.040 two book sharps, to see, oh this is how I'm 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:04.400 getting beaten, to book squares, and then to really realize 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.200 that as a better than the experience again as a 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.760 better early on as you said to to have a 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.319 lack of success early on, but like that the bookmaking 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.760 lessons must have helped you tremendously. On the other side. Yeah, sure, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.720 it was very easy to see what not to do 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.680 because I have a bunch of a ton of squares 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.120 and the squares tended to lose regularly. The wise guys 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:32.680 always beat the closing line. So most of my I 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.240 think most of my time is now beating the closing 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:41.600 line as opposed to picking winners. And was that the 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.200 single was that the single biggest lesson dinc was it? 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.280 Was it beating the closing line? I mean if someone 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.200 is landing on this yeah, someone's landing on this show 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.320 for the first time. Let's say they are a novice better, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.400 what would be another bit of macro advice you would 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.560 give them? As like the single biggest There's so much 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.160 more to learned and what you think you know that 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.960 that you have to You know, it's great if you 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.960 can follow somebody or know somebody who's sharp and see 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.760 how much work they do, because I don't know any 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.600 successful gamblers. And it's harder now because you have to 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:19.720 program and have bots and you really have some kind 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.960 of a model, whether it's an intern, whether it's a 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.240 model that you can push into a computer, or a 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.800 model you can write down on paper. I'm still a 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.720 paper and pen guy. But to arrive at a line 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.880 that will get you the better that will be the 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.920 closing number. That's that's my objective. And beating the closing number. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.040 If you're just going to bet without caring what number 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.480 you're laying and when you're laying it at the right time, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:48.200 either early or very late. If you're up against a 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.840 lot of very shot people, now it's really hard. I 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.720 would stress that there are brilliant people in this business. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.720 When I first got into betting and book making, a 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:05.280 college degree would make one of the top five of 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.920 the people who are in the gambling field, and now 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.920 a college degree would probably make you in the bottom. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:16.040 Just a college degree would make you in the bottom. Tempers, jeez, well, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:17.920 we gotta take a break here. When we come back, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.320 I want to dive into some of of what you 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.720 just touched on, which is how do you view young, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.520 really educated betters today who are doing things with algorithms. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.560 Do you view them um with any disdain or do 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.840 you view them with admiration and wish that you had 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.760 had a similar background. I think you touched on that 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.240 a little also, Um, with legalization, now are some of 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.880 your worst fears coming true? Do you still think that 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.600 sports betting ultimately for you is a profitable thing. We'll 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.840 get back to that. Alan din Dinkinson kind enough to 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.720 join us right here on a numbers game at vas 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.640 in the Sports Betting Network. James Selina's Michael Lombardi as well, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.760 come on, come back to a numbers game with Gil Alexander. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.600 Back on a numbers game, just like the man said, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.200 Gil Alexander live in San Francisco. Alan dink Dinkinson kind 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.640 enough to join us for the hour this morning. Um, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.680 and I mentioned all the things that Alan has done 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.200 betting wise, I didn't mention a couple of years ago 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.280 World Series of Poker Super Senior event cashed in that 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.960 I think a top ten finish. Um. Lots of stuff 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.920 here that, uh, you know, just a laundry list of things. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.480 We were joking on Twitter. You were joking last night. Uh, 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.840 if we talk wrestling, you'd stay here for two hours. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.520 Are you still obsessed with wrestling out? Um? Yeah, I 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:45.959 promote a small independent promotion. UM, wrestling has got me by. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.240 I listened to some podcasts every day just kind of 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.120 keeps me busy. Not a big movie guy. I don't 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.000 really want to watch those are and be depressed about 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:00.400 seeing people. Uh. I'm more of a Prince of Brian 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.639 kind of guy. So I want to se make me 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:10.240 happy as opposed to, you know, intense watching movies about gangsters. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.440 You know, I understand. I'm trying to find happy things 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.119 that will distract me. And wrestling is a nice little 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:22.800 fantasy world that's created, uh to get you through hard 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.280 times of the real world. And this is the real 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.439 hard times, you know, sixties six. This is the worst 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:34.080 thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.240 I say it. I never thought it happened in my lifetime. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.400 I'm sure it's sixty six. You you feel the same 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.720 way as a as someone who is sixty six years old, Dick, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.560 and you look at some of these young guys who 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.080 are super educated and super smart. I brought up Rufus 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.480 earlier on the show. Rufus Peabody is always the first 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.280 person that leaps to mind for me as someone who 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:00.560 does this. Um, you know, just absolutely cerebrally, and Rufus 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.280 will be the first person to tell you as soon 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.160 as his emotion gets involved, that's when he gets nervous 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.640 or his thoughts. Um, do you look at guys like 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.280 that just to hold him up as one of many 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.760 who do that, not not not a huge universe, but 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.680 more than just him, obviously. Do you look at them 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.960 and and have it almost ad Is it admiration? Is 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:27.080 it jealousy? Like equal parts that? What is it for you? Admiration? 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.439 I think it's a little jealousy and the fact that 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.320 I can't be like them. I can't do what they do. 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.520 I can't code, I don't know what are is. I 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.840 barely can use excel. I'm doing things, you know, the 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.280 primitive way. I become the dinosaur of the business. But 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.600 I'm friendly with all of those people. Um, Rufus, I 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.520 know I wouldn't consider my friend, but I definitely respect him. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.439 I think he respects me. I'm friendly with Joey Tunes, 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.000 I'm friendly with Spanky. I don't want to miss people. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.199 I'm friends with Rabisola, A lot of people who do 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.639 a lot of coding and great work. And you know, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.879 I you know they respect me because I pay the 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.840 way for them, I guess, and they know I respect them. 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.800 I don't get I don't consider them enemies. They make 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.040 me do work a little bit differently to get the 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.200 good numbers. I have to bet before them, because I 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.320 have to bet when the market doesn't have that much, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.920 that much volatility. I have to bet one Pinnacle and 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.040 Chris open right away because they don't want to touch 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:33.160 those lines, because they don't get down and knocking. That 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:37.000 really helps me. But I admire them so much. I 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.040 know them, I know their families, a lot of them. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.280 They're just really good people, the ones that I do know, 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.399 and I consider a lot of them friends, and I 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:49.000 certainly respect what they do well. We have ninety seconds 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.840 here before the next break. Think, but given what you 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:57.000 just said, that hurdle and perhaps others sports betting, then 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.840 to to turn a profit is that much more difficult 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.880 than I But I guess it was ten years ago, 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.520 fifteen years, twenty years not. I guess I know. Does 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.439 it is it to the extent that it almost deflates 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.639 you sometimes? Or do you still think if you can 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.840 turn a profit here consistently. I think I can turn 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.800 a profit here consistently. But I used to be sure 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.320 I can turn a profit here consistent. I have to. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:26.040 I have to keep up on my game, find little things. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.920 You know. I've been fortunately cashing the NHC this year. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:34.240 I was a little bonus the candicapping contest. Um. You know, 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.520 I'm kind of a jack of all trade semester of none. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.520 But trying to beat the closing line is what I 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.160 can do by work and by calling around, and by 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:48.680 shopping well and having little outs and you know, having 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.120 people help me a little get down on good numbers. 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.080 I that's the that's my test. Leaving the closing line. 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.520 You know it's not perfect. I know that's what gambles 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.679 because the end all up to end all, and I 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.040 think it's almost the end all to end all. But 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.480 there's a time also to know enough about sports to 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.919 buy back at the right time as well. Um, I 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.439 always learned. I like to learn. So I like to 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.920 talk to these kids to do well. And a lot 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:21.760 of them have been nice enough to I love the attitude. Um, 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:26.080 others aren't as gracious. I'll be honest with you. We'll 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.920 come back. We'll find out just exactly what you're betting 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.119 pie is these days, what you still love to bet 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.680 what you love to bet recreationally? What's for profit? We'll 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.399 come back Alan dink Dinkinson on a numbers game at 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.360 Visa these Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to a numbers 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.879 game with Jill Alexander. It is Gil Alexander live in 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:49.359 San Francisco, Dank Allen Dakinson in Vega. Appreciate it, Dan, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.439 and I appreciate you hanging out with us. So what 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:55.000 are you betting these days? So, in other words, hockey 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.479 became the sport that you were best known for. I 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:03.000 assume when key resumes that you will all be all 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.639 about hockey. But you mentioned you are involved in some 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:08.920 You know you're still playing horses. That's what you cut 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.600 your teeth all to use your words. Um, there's poker, Like, 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.439 what are you doing for profit these days? What are 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:20.080 you doing recreationally? I'm almost doing only recreational stuff. I 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:25.040 consider this my first vacation in forty years. But I 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.240 do look at things. I got involved with the UFC 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.639 car that didn't work out so well. Um so that 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.360 was the only thing I've done in the last two 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.920 months that I consider real gambling. I do, uh keep 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.480 busy by looking at horses, but my handles like three 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.080 hundred dollars a day and maybe even less than that. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.840 Sometimes I'm just I don't want to handicap Finner and 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:51.280 Will Rogers, and I always thought as tracks closed, I 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.879 didn't trust gold Stream in Tampa Bay to stay opened 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.720 that long. I've held my own with it for the 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.040 last two months, but I really haven't even tried to 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.000 make a Seria profit because I didn't want to come 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.720 into this and go there's only a few things to bet, 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.320