1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back All the Smoke season five. Jack. I think 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: we're here about a year ago and we get to 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: finish off the job today. Yep with one of one 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: of the most talented people, uh, a woman of many hats, actress, producer, director, 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: business woman. I learned that you used to want to 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: direct videos. 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all that. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Don't get into all that. Welcome to the show. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: Thanks Jada, Thank you for coming, Thank you for having me. 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: And again, happy belated birthday. 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: So you hung out with the family just kind of 13 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: cheer for your birthday. 14 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we could. You know, we got to kick it. 15 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: I mean that's the best. You know, keep as simple 16 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: and spend quality time with the people you love. It 17 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: just gets real simple as you get older. 18 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: What it's about? Yes, everything slows down a little bit. 19 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: How is life? How is the family? How is everything 20 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: going right now? 21 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: Life is great? Good, family is fantastic. So you know 22 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: when you catch those waves you just ride, did you 23 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: know how that goes? 24 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: Yes? 25 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: You know, up and down. 26 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned in your book something that you're looking for 27 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: that industry structible love for yourself. Yeah, what is that? 28 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Talk to us about what that journey has been like 29 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: and the ups and downs that kind of had you 30 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: struggling with that. 31 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was the whole purpose of me 32 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: writing the book was really to talk about my journey 33 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: from feeling unworthy to worthy, right, And so as I 34 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: talk about in the book, I kind of go back 35 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: into my childhood, you know, being the blessed child of 36 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: two addicts, right, and so that kind of set up 37 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: a false concept in my formative years of not feeling 38 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: worthy because I wasn't a priority to either of my parents, 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: you know, their addictions came before me, right, And so 40 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: that kind I kind of carried that with me through 41 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: my adulthood and then on top of it to talk 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: about in the book all the different traumas that came 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. And so I really wrestled 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: in my adult life just trying to figure out what 45 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: love was, how to feel loved, you know, and when 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: you don't you don't know. When you don't feel loved 47 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: and you don't feel that that place of feeling cherished, understood, seen, 48 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: and you don't know how to do it for yourself, 49 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: then you just left with a lot of voids. And 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: you think that success, marriage, children, you name it all 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 2: the out, but you know all of the things. So yeah, 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: all the stuff that looks good is gonna make it right, 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 2: you know, and you think that there's no substitute for it, 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: and you think success is going to Like I remember 55 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: coming to Hollywood and like, you know, being young and 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: being hungry and then coming to Hollywood and starting a climb, 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: and I'm like, why do I still feel bad? This 58 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: is supposed to cure everything. 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: That's what they say. 60 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: That's what they say, you know. And so once that 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 2: didn't happen, I was like, well, then what the hell 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: does all this mean? And then I was like, oh, 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: Will came along and I was like, oh, well, maybe 64 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: it's that maybe I need a man, maybe I need 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: to get married, maybe I need to have family. And 66 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: when that didn't do it, it's like and then finally, 67 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, forty years old, just had a complete utter, 68 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: you know, just hit a wall and had the most 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: just one of the darkest times in my life. Suicide 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: suicidal thoughts wasn't the first time, but I struggled with 71 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: that for a long time and I hit that wall 72 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: and that's when I really had to start going on 73 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: a serious journey. 74 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Addiction is prevalent in both of our backgrounds. You know, 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: both my parents were addicts, but I felt like they 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: were functioning. We still never went without, We still were 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: clothed and took care of got our homework done. But 78 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: growing up in the early eighties, I saw everything, you 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And now at forty three, I'm 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: in two different kinds of counseling. Not that I really 81 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: knew thought I needed because in our community it's not 82 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: really talked about it cool or anything, but kind of 83 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: really just unpacking understanding the person I am today is 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: because of the traumas or you know, some of my 85 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: defaults today or some of the traumas that I dealt 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: with as a four or five, six, seven, you know, 87 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: early teen, and kind of unpacking that you guys have 88 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: always been kind of on the main stage. Everything is 89 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: always out there, good times, bad times, going back and 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: just kind of writing all that and really opening up 91 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: and obviously taking control of your own narrative, but really 92 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of going back and writing about that stuff. What 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: kind of memories good and bad did that kind of 94 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: bring up along the process. 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: Which part, like, you know, it's like man like having 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: to go through my entire life on this line of 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: worthy it was you know, it was probably one of 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: the hardest things I've ever done, having to really you 99 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: got to look at your life on paper. That's daunting, 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: that's daunting, and I had to really look at some 101 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: really painful stuff. And you think, I was like, I 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: thought I'd dealt with this, you know, I thought I've 103 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: reconciled this, and you feel all the intense feelings coming 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: up again. It's just like, damn, all right, well you 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: go here we go. 106 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: Was there a weight lifted? Was there any one kind 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: of like was there? First of all? Was there weightlifted? 108 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: But then also at the same time, like I'm really 109 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: revealing myself, I'm a little was there a little like 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: hesitation or scared of that at the same time, you. 111 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: Know, the only part that I felt hesitation around was 112 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: talking about POC. That's always been something I kept close 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: to the chest. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: And I. 115 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 2: Because he left here, he left without saying so much, 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: and I, you know, I was just like I really 117 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: struggled with that. I was like, how much? How how 118 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: are you going to tell this story that has occurred 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: between the two of you? And what Because I mean, 120 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: Pack has shared a lot of his life story, but 121 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: he didn't really share a lot about our story, and 122 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: I understand why at the time, but that was the 123 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: only part that I was really like, and I felt 124 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: like I had his blessing, and I felt like so 125 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: much time has passed and so many other people in 126 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: his life have had some healing time. So I was like, Okay, 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: I think I think if I just venture and tell 128 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: our story, I think people will have a better understanding 129 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: also of what our friendship was about, you know, because 130 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: people have this concept that you know, he and I 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: were like romantic and that wasn't the case at all. 132 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, reclaiming your narrative is big. I mean, you've had 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Red Table and obviously the tabloids have always been in 134 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: your business. But but but why is that so important now? 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: As far as reclaiming, Yeah, I think it's had more 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 2: to do with you know, women aren't really given the 137 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: permission or the luxury to share their the depth of 138 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: their journeys. I think that a woman's journey is still 139 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: very taboo, meaning like a woman's journey should be neat, nice, 140 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: not messy. Uh fall in line of what is supported 141 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: of how do you say it? Like patriarchal construct and understanding? Right, 142 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: And so I feel like, but it's so important that 143 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: women are allowed, that women allow themselves to talk about 144 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: their journeys, embrace every bit of it, and learn to 145 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: love every bit of it. That's part of the healing 146 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: of being whole. Time may there you go, right, And 147 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: so I felt like everything I've been through, I've been 148 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: through the gauntlet. There's not much else anybody can really say, 149 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And so I felt like 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: I've earned being able to put it all on the table. 151 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: For women out there who are really in a struggle, 152 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: who need to be seen in a certain manner, not 153 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: to just say, hey, pray on it, go home and meditate, 154 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: right to see it in real time, it's like no, no, no, 155 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: this happened. You saw when that happened to me. This 156 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: is what was going on, this is what I was doing, right, 157 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: So you get to see like a beginning, a middle, 158 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: and an end right of just like the journey, like 159 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: just little pieces of my journey. Right. So really, for 160 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: women out there to just go it's okay, and guess what, 161 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: it's all part of getting to your self worth, you know, 162 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: and it's not easy and it's not going to be pretty, 163 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: and that's okay. 164 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: Too, that's okay. 165 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And for you and for you to be saying that, 166 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: like to have a book called worthy and for you 167 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: to try to find your worth and you mean so 168 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: much to us and our customs. It's so many people. 169 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: I was telling them yesterday. I was like, what pac 170 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: is to the females. You've been there to us since 171 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: I was since I was in high school, you know 172 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: what I mean. So so to say for you to 173 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: write a book about being worthy, it's hard to touch 174 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people to start. I think that, especially 175 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: the way I feel about you, you know, but it is. Yeah, 176 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: we'll be fans, be fans. Yeah, but it's gonna touch 177 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: a lot of women because even though you was going 178 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: through so much, you didn't didn't didn't look. 179 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Like it at all. 180 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm hoping it do't touch 181 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: a lot of women. I'm hoping it'll touch some men too, 182 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: in regards to like specifically, when I talk about what 183 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: I've survived, when I talk about the kind of dope 184 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: male support I've had in my life, like I don't think, 185 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: like I'm so, we don't we don't really celebrate when 186 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: men come into our lives with that masculine, just container 187 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: like I'm here, I got you, you know what I'm saying, 188 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: and like to really show what that looks like for 189 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: a woman, right. And there have been so many men 190 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: in my life that have showed up in real time, 191 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: in real time and really helped me along on my journey. 192 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: So it's not just you know, we need our we 193 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: need our men, We need our brothers, we need our uncles, 194 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: we need our cousins, you know what I'm saying. And 195 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: so also to just be able to have a moment 196 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: to celebrate those men who came into my life and 197 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: those little moments, whether it was Keenan Ivory WANs, you 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: know who was like, no, you will not perjure yourself 199 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: going to life for this food in court, you know 200 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: what I mean. I was about to do it. I 201 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: was about to do it. He sent me some pictures 202 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna send you these pictures, changed the date 203 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: on them. Sad was out there with you. I was like, 204 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: not a problem. I'm gonna figure this out. And Keenan 205 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: just happened to overhear me and he was like absolutely not. 206 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: I was like, what what you mean? You know what 207 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying. So like at certain pivotal moments in my 208 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: life where those father figures, those brother figures came in. 209 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's been, it's been imperative. 210 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's move to Baltimore. Okay, raised my mother and 211 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: grandma and grandmother. I wasn't growing up. I know a 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: lot about Baltimore. Like we all talk, we just said, 213 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: let's go the upbringings. We are from those areas where 214 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: it ain't no playbook. You're gonna you're gonna make a 215 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: lot of mistakes and you're gonna figure out, you're gonna 216 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: learn the hard way a lot, but a lot, especially 217 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: me and him, I know, we wouldn't change that for 218 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: nothing because it made us who we are. 219 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 220 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: A lot of people love me because of the way 221 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: I stand and how solid I am, and I got 222 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: all that. 223 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 4: From my upbringing. Right, So, Baltimore to you, what does 224 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: it mean? 225 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 2: I have a chapter in my book called University or 226 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: to be more Streets. 227 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because we say ust University 228 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: of Show Texas. 229 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: That's what we are. 230 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: Oh god it But I mean that was an imperative 231 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: university for me, right, I don't think without that university 232 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: I would have been able to come out to LA 233 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: at eighteen years old on my own and figure it 234 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: out right. It was like those streets taught me, like 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: what real wolves look like, not the fake ones. You know, 236 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: the Hollywood flex is Like, I'm cool on that, you 237 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I could really hold my 238 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: own from the gate in regards to really being able 239 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: to navigate that world, you know, I have, So I 240 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 2: really I appreciate. I tell my mother all the time, 241 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: never feel guilty about any of it. You were the 242 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: perfect mother. You were the mother I was supposed to 243 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: have for what is what my fate, how my fate 244 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: has been designed right, and what that prepared me for. 245 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: But I love Baltimore. Baltimore me who I am. You know, 246 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: made me scrappy, made me smart, made me a fool 247 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: in some cases, you know what I mean. But I 248 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: love Baltimore, you know, and I have much gratitude for 249 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: what Baltimore has given me. 250 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 4: The quote you got to be more careful. 251 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: You've got to be more careful. It's murderers. 252 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people know about a. 253 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: Lot of people know about that now, yeah they do. 254 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: Before you telling your story. 255 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And so I learned I learned a lot 256 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: of that the hard way, you know, just like I 257 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: talk about it a lot in the book, just about 258 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: you know, how I used to hustle and. 259 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: How did they come into play. 260 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: I mean, we all know trying to survive and trying 261 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: to make a better way for yourself. But it's always 262 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: that one person that kind of puts you in the game, 263 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: that kind of ushered you into the game. 264 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: Yep, I know. I talk about it a lot in 265 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: the book. 266 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: You know. 267 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, there was a young dude name 268 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: check Prichardo who uh really put me on on like 269 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: when I started to get more serious about it, if 270 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: that's even what you want to call it, you know, 271 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: if that's what you want to call it, I don't 272 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: know if you call it serious. I mean, but it 273 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: was like when I really thought I was on my 274 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: way to become a queen, you know, and a lot 275 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: of it just you know, I you know, we talk 276 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: about it all the time. It was it was just 277 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: I've always been one that wanted my own I didn't 278 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: want to be just the hustler's girlfriend, Like I'm not 279 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: doing that, nah. I got to figure this out, Like 280 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: I want my own power. I want my own situation 281 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: and at the time to being really concerned about man, 282 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: is my mom going like what am I going to 283 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: do if this doesn't if she don't make it, you know. 284 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: And so I went to the streets and it's okay, 285 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: for a minute, I can't picture I'm trying to, right, 286 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: I can't picture it either. But that's what happened. It 287 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: was like I was posted up this spot called Cherry Hill. 288 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: Cherry Hill is like in Baltimore. It is it's a peninsula, 289 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: so it's one way in and it's one way out, 290 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: but it's the projects, right, And so I was able 291 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: to find a spot at the bottom of a hill. 292 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: Everybody was at the top, so everybody had to go 293 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: to the top to be served. And I was like, well, 294 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just gone, Yeah, I'm gonna just go to 295 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: the bottom. Down here in an apartment, I had my homeboy, 296 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: who I call him BP I believe in the in 297 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 2: the book I had. I was under his wing, his protection. 298 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: He also worked for chet right, but he was my homeboy. 299 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: And so I posted up an apartment down there and 300 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 2: then I got set up one day two MENTI meters 301 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: to the head. It was like, oh, are you really 302 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: built for this? You know? 303 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: And was it a sexy hustle like a tom Boy hustle? 304 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Like what was your vibe back to. 305 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: Tom Boy hustle for sure, because. 306 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: She looked more like the dope boy's girl. Yeah, I'm 307 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: trying to picture it. 308 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: It was at that time, believe it or not, like 309 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: I was really you know, I coutite. Look, I was 310 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: going to Baltimore School for the Yards. Nobody would ever 311 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: that was the whole thing. Nobody would ever imagine. I 312 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: think that I would do something like that, you know, 313 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: and so but I was, and you know, I definitely 314 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: got into some sticky situations. You know that I feel 315 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: grateful to have survived. And that's when I knew there 316 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: was a God for sure. That's part of it. 317 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Wake up between the hustle, where did you find the 318 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: love for dance and theater that came? 319 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: See that was already established, that was established, like started 320 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 2: at three years old, you know what I'm saying. So 321 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: I got to be practically raised by my grandmother who 322 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: made sure I had tennis classes, tap dance, ballet, piano lessons. 323 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: Like the first part of my life was really in 324 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: the midst of my grandmother who you know, she was 325 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: like a black social like, you know. And then once 326 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: she passed and my mother got a divorce and it 327 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 2: was just she and I and she went deep into 328 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: her addiction. That's where my life flipped. And I was 329 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: about thirteen. 330 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: Then, yeah, take us back to your first international pop 331 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Baltimore School of Arts. He said his charisma was infectious. 332 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: What was his Who was he when you first met him? 333 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: He was he was just such a charismatic. He was 334 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: just so charismatic. And I remember walking in, you know, 335 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm coming in fashionably late. I'm Jada. I'm just mobbing 336 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: in there, you know, and he's over in the corner, 337 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, just entertaining a group of people. And this 338 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: was his first year. This was my throde second year. 339 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: And I walked in and as soon as I walked in, 340 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: he zoned in on me. And I was like, who 341 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: was that peanut head over there? And he came right 342 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: towards me and he was like, Hi, I'm Tupac, and 343 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: I was like, too, ba. The first thing I thought 344 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: was Tupac. Kind of wow, that is a powerful name, Tupac. 345 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: And I was like, Hey, I'm Jada, Nice to meet you. 346 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: And we were inseparable from that moment on. 347 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: I think something that's overlooked now because everything is so 348 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: dramatized of just how intelligent he was, how smart he was, 349 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: and early on, how he had you reading books and 350 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: learning about people he knewn Angela Davis to name a few. Uh, 351 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: he was very passionate in the end of that obviously, 352 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: but what did that kind of No one could really 353 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: talk me into reading back in the day, still barely 354 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: to myself. 355 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: But oh he was an avid reader, huh. Like he 356 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: was like Pac was a sponge. He was brilliant. He 357 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: really was brilliant, right, and from day one, and that's 358 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: that was the aspect of him that I loved most, 359 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, and he really put me on game because 360 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: I grew up more my grandmother was more of a 361 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: civil rights activist, right, I didn't really know much about 362 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: the black power movement. 363 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: And. 364 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: Pac just talked about the conditions of black people all 365 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: the time in regards to like systemically right, and he 366 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: would have these long like I mean literally just these 367 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: lectures that I got to sit and just listen to 368 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: Pac and all of you know his knowledge, you have 369 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: to remember, I mean a thing he was his mother, 370 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: who was a brilliant woman, brilliant. She was brilliant, strong 371 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: and highly intelligent, you know, And so that was why 372 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: he was such an avid reader. That's why he was 373 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: up on so much material in books. And we loved 374 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: kind of going back and forth with each other, going 375 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: toe to toe, you know, because we both had sharp minds, 376 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 2: you know, we both loved to learn, both passionate, and 377 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: so that was really just having a friend to just 378 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: kind of bounce off in that way and bounce off 379 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: with and about so many different things from you know, 380 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: Angela Davis to Shakespeare to Van Gold to like, he 381 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: had such a so many interests in so many different areas. 382 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 2: You know. 383 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: Welly to represent herself in the major court case, she 384 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 3: had to be intelligence. 385 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: Yeah she was bad in that time. 386 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, she had to be intelligent. 387 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: She was bad. She was bad. 388 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: Before jumping into acting, share with us mentioned at the 389 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: top your passion for directing music videos and any truth 390 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: to you were thought of the concept and theme and 391 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I supposed to direct California Love who talked to us about. 392 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I talk about it in the book. So 393 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: Dre Drey and I had a meeting and I came 394 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: up with the concept for California Love, just kind of 395 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: like you know, that Mad Max Black Mad Max version, 396 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: and we were ready to go. I got a call 397 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: from Easy. Easy, at this particular point in time, was 398 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: hospitalized and I hadn't talked to him in a minute, 399 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: and he hit me up and he was like, I 400 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: heard you're supposed to be doing this video with Dre. 401 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 2: He said, I don't think you should be on that 402 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: set because should go be there? And I was like, 403 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that, you know. I was 404 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: so excited to work with Dre, and I totally forgot 405 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: about the affiliation that he had with Sugar at that time. 406 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: And he was like, you know, Easy was like, please 407 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: don't you don't you don't want to be in the 408 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: mix of that Jada, you know. And I was like, 409 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: all right, all right, cool, because you know me and 410 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: e were we were. That was that was my dude. 411 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: I talk about our friendship in the book as well. 412 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: And so I had to tell Dre. You know, I 413 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: came up with some diplomatic excuse of what to the video. Now. 414 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: What's interesting, I wouldn't have been able to do the 415 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: video anyway, because they decided This was before Pac, and 416 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: remind you, this was before Pak was on California Love. 417 00:24:53,880 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: It was just Drey, So they decided to pause and 418 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: put POC on the track. Now, there's no way in 419 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: the world Park was gonna let me be in the video, 420 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: said directing nothing that he was in anyway. So once 421 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: Pac found out, once he was on the track, found 422 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: out I was supposed to be directed the video, he 423 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: would have cut that anyway. So it wasn't meant for 424 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 2: me to do period, you know, but I did it. 425 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: William said he killed it. I wouldn't have been able 426 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: to do what he did. 427 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: That's interesting it all worked out video hip Hop Revolution. 428 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: We always say that hip hop and music is like 429 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 3: the soundtrack to our life, especially when we came up. 430 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: What does hip hop mean to you? 431 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: I have a really interesting relationship with hip hop now specifically, 432 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: I had a lot of reconciling to do that I'm 433 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: still in the process of because and I talk about 434 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: this extensively in the book. Once Pac was murdered and 435 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: just how it all went down, I really I really lost. 436 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 2: Like I didn't want anything to do with hip hop. 437 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: I'll just put it like that. I don't want nothing 438 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: to do with it. I just felt like I just 439 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: felt like it was all so unfair. And I go 440 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: into detail in the book just about all of it, 441 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: and I was really pissed. I was like, fuck all this, 442 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: fuck the streets, fuck all these fake ass gangsters, fuck everybody. 443 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: I was mad. I was really mad, and I really 444 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: just decided, like I'm not with none of that, you know, 445 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: but I still have so much love for like how 446 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: hip hop's how hip hop really helped formed, helped form me. 447 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: You know, when I think about rock Him, I think 448 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: about Eric Ba rock Him. When I think about Salt 449 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: and Pepper, when I think about MC light, but I 450 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: think about rock Sane Chante, She's a runaway. I mean, 451 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: you know, like the Z three MC's. I mean, we 452 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: could go on and on and on. It's like I 453 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: grew up on hip hop substances, yeah right, and it's 454 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: like it helped form me. It helped form my whole, 455 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: like my whole get down. So when I think about 456 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: the hip hop that raised me, that's a whole different story. 457 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: Much love, much respect, so important, you know. 458 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: Fingers hell. 459 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I talk about that in the book. 460 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: It's like when you got to hear all, you know, 461 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: just booming out the systems in the in the neighborhood, 462 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, or going to Druide Hill Park and all 463 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: the cars, you know, just seeing all the dope cars 464 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: in the city, you know what I mean, Like it's 465 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: a big block party. It was definitely a middle finger 466 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: to like, we are going to make it out of here. 467 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: We deserve the best of life as well, and fuck you, 468 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: it's gonna happen, right, And it was a constant reminder 469 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: of our worthiness, you know what I mean. So the 470 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: hip hop of that era for me kept me strong. 471 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Foundation, yeahs, destruction, all that. 472 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: I love it. So it kept me strong, It kept 473 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: me fiery, kept me motivated. 474 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: Did Tupac influence you musically? Like did he try to 475 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: get you to Oh yeah. 476 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: I talk about that in the book. He tried to 477 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh man, Pac tried to put me in this this 478 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: female you know, this battle rap group. Now mind you 479 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: I you know this is Pac. He's like trying to 480 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: coach me. He's right in my rhymes, but I don't, 481 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: you know, I don't have the cadence, Like I'm not 482 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: a rapper, Like that's one thing I can't do right. 483 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: And he used to get on me. He was like, 484 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: you are not on beat, Like what is wrong with you? 485 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: But imagine Pak trying to teach me to rap like him? 486 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: Crazy possible, right, I'm like, come on, but I did 487 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: one rap battle. We got through it, we won, saying 488 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's it, Park, I'm done right. 489 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: Don't like we didn't have, you know, the cell phones 490 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: and all that. Ain't no footage of that one. 491 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 492 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: Coming to Hollywood from Baltimore, I thought your shot. Oh yeah, 493 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: talk about coming here to Hollywood, arriving here from Baltimore 494 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 3: and how you know, the ups and downs, how different 495 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: it was. You already got a chip on your shoulder 496 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: because you're coming from Baltimore. This shark Q chick young 497 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: don't know what's going on? You know, the wolves see you. 498 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: It's food. 499 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy, it's you know, but it was the 500 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 5: beast time, so you know, coming out to Hollywood, it 501 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 5: was just like that. 502 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: That was that was a culture shock for real. It 503 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: was just like what is going on out here? 504 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 3: You know? 505 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: And I wasn't used to having to play like coming 506 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: from Baltimore. I never played the game of like oh 507 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna snuggle up to you. Be nice, smile, be 508 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: you know, cute. You know, I don't know, like the 509 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: whole the whole idea was be pleasant. Let let's let 510 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: the men around you think that you you know, you're available, right, 511 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I get you killed on the street. 512 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: I don't do that, like no, like I like, if 513 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to do that, that's that's who gets that. 514 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: That's understood. 515 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: You don't he gets that you and me were here 516 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: to do business. So you want me to read these 517 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: lines because I'm just with, okay, cool, I'm gonna read 518 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: these lines, and I'm up out of here right. I 519 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: didn't know how to just like nice or just be nice, like, 520 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: you know, I walk in there, like what's up? What 521 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: this is it? Okay? Cool? You already great? 522 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: All right? 523 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So I had to learn 524 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: how to like just kind of like, you know, get more, 525 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: get the edges off, you know. And that took me 526 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: a minute because I didn't understand. I didn't understand, like, no, 527 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: that's I don't know what that's about. Like nah, I 528 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: ain't trying to do all that. Plus, ain't none of 529 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: y'all in here of any interest to me? So try 530 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: to learn how to play the game. And then La 531 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: was so different. You know, you got all these palm 532 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: trees and I'm over there on like Venice and Losienaga 533 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: up the street from World on Wheels. To me, we cool. 534 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know. You know what I'm saying, It's like, oh, 535 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: you can get got. 536 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: All around there, all around there. 537 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: I was like, what So I had to learn learn that. 538 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: It's like just because it looks nice doesn't mean it 539 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: ain't sweet. It's sweet. 540 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 541 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: So but that was, you know, it was definitely a 542 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: learning curve coming out here. 543 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: Is it ever a picture or a picture that you 544 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: have with you Nia and Holly Berry in the same photo. 545 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't like the copy me. 546 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I got some pictures like me and Nia 547 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: and then me and Halle and not the three of 548 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: us together. You talk about your friendship, you know, it's 549 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: like it's an era where it was like you had 550 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: you had the Regina Kings, the Nia and lngs Ali Berry. 551 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: It was bohmen boom man, right. It was. It was 552 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: a booming time and it just felt like we all 553 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 2: had so much love and support for one another. We 554 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: understood at that time a door that opened up for 555 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: me was a door that was opening up for everybody 556 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: else as well. The door that was opening up for Halle, 557 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: a door that was opening up for Nia. Right, that 558 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: was a door for all of us. We all innately 559 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: understood that, you know. So it was an era in 560 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: which it was like, I really felt like there was 561 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 2: really strong camaraderie amongst black talent as. 562 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: A whole, which is dope. 563 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just it was a special time. 564 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: What do you think of Hollywood right now? 565 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 4: Just stay in Hollywood right now. 566 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: It's in the you know where it's a lot of 567 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: change happening. Yeah, a lot of change happening. A lot 568 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: of change happening. 569 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 4: But is it good change? 570 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: Well, I think industry wise, we'll see. As far as 571 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: change in regards to what's happening amongst black talent, people 572 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: of color, you know, there's still room for lots of 573 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 2: improvement on both sides. 574 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of box checking right 575 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: now for you know, big big projects to Okay, she's that, 576 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: let's get her for this and see. 577 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: How that works exactly. Yeah, And so you know, I 578 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: feel like, but I do feel like we got to 579 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 2: kind of there's a really there's a bigger shift in 580 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: the construct of Hollywood that's happening that we got to 581 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 2: see where that's gonna land. 582 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: Ninety three. 583 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, you were in a epic movie directed by 584 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 3: the Hughes brothers. 585 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, how was that? And how was it getting that role? Well? 586 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 2: I got the role. 587 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: I could have played it, by the way, even though 588 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: you're fifteenth, Yeah, fifteen, but I had a down pack. 589 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: All right, let me see I Pac Pac brought that 590 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: role to me. Mmm, Pac brought that role to me. 591 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: He's like, Yo, you gotta meet these these uh, these 592 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: directors about to do this project. It's gonna be like 593 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: the one John Singleton did, but it's you know, it's 594 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: gonna be more real. It's gonna be you know. And 595 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, what is it? So 596 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: he explained to me the role. He was like, he 597 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: was telling me the role he's gonna play. And he's 598 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: like I already told him you're my homegirl, so you 599 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,479 Speaker 2: need to be up in this. And I'm like all right. Well, 600 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: he's like, no, I want you to meet him. And 601 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 2: I was like, like, you know, I'm doing different world, 602 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 2: and you know, I need the audition. You don't need 603 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: an audition they already know. So I'm like, okay, Pa, 604 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: so right exactly. So you know, he got the he 605 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: got me in there with him, and you know, we 606 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: all got along. And then next thing I know is 607 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: calling me telling me he's not doing the movie because 608 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: he didn't got Tad with the brothers. I'm like, oh, 609 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 2: what you know? And what's crazy is that I didn't want. 610 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 2: I was like, I can't do the movie if you're 611 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 2: not doing the movie. I came in with you. You brought 612 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 2: me in. If you leaving, I'm leaving. And he was 613 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: like no, He's like, no, you gotta do this movie. 614 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: I remember us getting into this like fierce argument. Now 615 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: mind you, Debbie Allen had already gone and you know, 616 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 2: to the producers of a Different World and really convinced 617 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: them to let me do this movie because I'm still 618 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 2: shooting a Different World. She got my schedule all changed, 619 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, and working it out, and I remember going freak. 620 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: But I didn't want to be on that set without 621 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: pac you know, Glad, And he was like he he 622 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 2: won the argument. And he's lucky because I couldn't go 623 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: back to Debbie and be like, I'm not gonna do 624 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: the movie now, you know. So I did it and 625 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 2: he was right because he told me, he said, you 626 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: need this. He's like, you need this for your career, 627 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 2: you know, because I really didn't see what he saw. 628 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 2: I was doing it because we were going to be 629 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: in a movie together, and I was just trusting his instincts. 630 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: I didn't see what PAK saw. But he was like, no, 631 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 2: you're gonna do this movie. You need this movie, blah 632 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. 633 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, Ooh, did that make you feel worthy? 634 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I see it always? 635 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: I see what you talk about it always. 636 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 2: Now he could have his moment like we definitely. Here's 637 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 2: the thing about POC. I could get in the worst 638 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 2: arguments with him, but if I'm in trouble, he's gonna 639 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: be there. He's coming. You know, he was coming. And 640 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 2: I always could depend on that with him, you know, 641 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 2: and he would pull my coattails. That's the thing. We 642 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: both could just pull each other's coattails in a way 643 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: that nobody else could. 644 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: We can fight, but nobody else can. 645 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I'm gonna say some shit to you, 646 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 2: but I better not. 647 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: Hear nobody else say it. 648 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm about to get in your ass. 649 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: You know. So Park's final year obviously goes to prison, 650 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: gets involved with Sugar, and you had a kind of 651 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: inclination from the jump. Just the vibe wasn't right with 652 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: that situation. And as who you are, and like you said, 653 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: you guys could say anything to each other. How was 654 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: those conversations between you guys? And I heard he kind 655 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: of tried to keep you away from it while he 656 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: was in it. Speak to that a little well, Pack and. 657 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 2: I talk about that a lot in the book. 658 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: Poc. 659 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: Really he really kept me separate from all of it 660 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 2: from the from the gate. I think people be surprised 661 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 2: to know I never saw Tupac perform live. 662 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: Wow. 663 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 2: He never The thing about POC stuff was always jumping off, 664 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 2: was always popping. So Pac was cool with I'm coming 665 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 2: to your spot you can or you can meet me 666 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 2: at my spot over here. But it wasn't any like 667 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 2: We're going come to the club with me, go to 668 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 2: the That was a no no because he was always 669 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: like no, because I can't. I can't do both. 670 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: I gotta worry about myself, man, you know what I mean. 671 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 2: He's like no, So yeah, I was really concerned about shit. 672 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 2: I was really concerned now, mind you, he was still 673 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 2: in jail when he told me. I remember we were 674 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 2: in Dani Mora. I talk about it in a book, 675 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: and I was with Light and Neph for TD. We 676 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 2: went up there to see Pac and Dana Mora and 677 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: he said that he was going to sign with should 678 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 2: and I remember saying, you know, all three of us 679 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: were just kind of like, okay, you sure, you know, 680 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 2: and he's like yeah, because he's he's willing to get 681 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: me out of here. And you know, because Pac had 682 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 2: been waiting because of the nature of his charges, he 683 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 2: refused to He was like, these these men need to come, 684 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: need to come get me, specifically, these men who are 685 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 2: making money off of me. That was his thing because 686 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: a bunch of us had a bunch of us had 687 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 2: just kind of you know, we we we flanked him. 688 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 2: We were like, we'll get you out of here. We'll 689 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 2: raise the money, you know, because it was a bunch 690 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: of us kind of starlits. He knew a lot of starlts, 691 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: and we were like, we're here, we'll get you out. 692 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 2: And he was like he was like no, no, no, 693 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: he was like no, no. And so with Sure he 694 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 2: felt like, look, this is I owe him three albums 695 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 2: and I'm done, and I was like, so I said, 696 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna come back tomorrow, so neph and like they left, 697 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 2: and I drove back to Dana Moore the next day 698 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 2: to just talk to him one on one. 699 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 3: And. 700 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't gonna be able to That wasn't 701 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 2: my place to try to convince it me. He was 702 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 2: locked up, he wanted out, so I knew I wasn't 703 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,479 Speaker 2: gonna win that battle. But it was once he got 704 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 2: out and everything that transpired after that that I was 705 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 2: just like, Hey, you don't have to be of this. 706 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 2: Don't let people pray on your resentment and your anger. 707 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: So a lot of people might not know, but he 708 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: proposed to he while he was in jail. 709 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: I talk about this in the book when I go 710 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 2: to see him and Wrikers. When I wrote about that 711 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 2: in the book, and when I had to talk about 712 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 2: it speak my words for the audible version of the book, 713 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 2: that was probably one of the more painful parts. Seeing 714 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 2: him there, the condition that he was in, and having 715 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 2: to leave him there, and he was in, he was, 716 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: he was in, he was he was, he was in 717 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: bad shape. And so when he asked me to get married. 718 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 2: He was at Rikers, and I knew at that time 719 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 2: that A he needed somebody to do time with him, 720 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 2: which I was gonna do anyway, and you have to 721 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 2: marry me, right, I'm here, We love you and then too, 722 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: but he needed a rock. He needed uh because of 723 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 2: our friendship and because of everything we had been through together. 724 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 2: He just wanted to feel that solidified foundation, you know, 725 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 2: because I promise you he would have married me and 726 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 2: divorced me as soon as. 727 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,720 Speaker 3: Right, because so many people in that position don't have support, right, 728 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 3: none at. 729 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 2: All, none, you know, and right he was just like, 730 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 2: look and I just think it was the mind state 731 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 2: that he was in, you know. He wrote me this 732 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 2: long letter, and I think even before Park went to jail, 733 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 2: he was starting to trent. He was starting to shift 734 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 2: in a certain manner really good. And I think that 735 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 2: for him, he just felt like, Okay, if I can 736 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 2: tether myself, it'll keep me on a trajectory. But trust me, 737 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 2: he would have. He would have divorced me as soon 738 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 2: is he One thing he ain't want me as is 739 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 2: a wife. I know that for a fact, you know. 740 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 2: But I think just being at Wrikers, it just. 741 00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: Kind of shook them. You and park weren't on speaking 742 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: terms of last year of his life. Can you tell 743 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,400 Speaker 1: us why and what that taught you? 744 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, when I was talking about how we could 745 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 2: pull each other's coat tails, I I just felt like 746 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 2: he was off track a little bit, you know, and 747 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 2: I'm I spoke on that and we got into a 748 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: heated probably one of the most heated arguments we've ever had. 749 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 2: And that was not Parka. Not getting into heated confrontations 750 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 2: was not unusual, right, this was this happened to be 751 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 2: a very heated one, and I didn't speak to him 752 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 2: for a year. I was so, I was hurt. I 753 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 2: was pissed, and I really kind of dug my heels 754 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 2: in the ground. I was just like, he went too 755 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,279 Speaker 2: far and he's gonna have to call me. Both that 756 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 2: he's gonna he's gonna have to call me, and I'm 757 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 2: standing in my ground on it, you know. And I 758 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: learned that don't waste time like that. You know. It's 759 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 2: like a whole year out of my you know, pride. 760 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's just both of us 761 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 2: very prideful, just hard headed prideful, you know, And because 762 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 2: none of it mattered the day that I the when 763 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 2: a Fanny called me, you know, when I found out 764 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 2: he'd been shot again, I didn't give like and that 765 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 2: whole converse and whatever was going on with Sugar and 766 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,800 Speaker 2: all that. It didn't matter. So why should it have mattered? 767 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,839 Speaker 2: For a whole year, it didn't matter. And surely once 768 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,399 Speaker 2: he was gone, you know. So I just learned, like, man, 769 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 2: don't hold on the bullshit. It's not worth it because 770 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 2: you just never know. 771 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: And it's heavy too. Hold on this shit is just heavy. Yeah, 772 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: it's heavy on your spirit. Red Table talk, you guys 773 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: created the space, your mom, your daughter, and captivated the world. 774 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. 775 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that table has been a powerful healer. 776 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for that table and so grateful to 777 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, I was able to experience that table with 778 00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:01,200 Speaker 2: my daughter and my mother, you know, and that table 779 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 2: has taught me so much and it's shown me so much, 780 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 2: you know, And yeah, so I'm grateful for it. 781 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 782 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's deep. I love Jane. Yeah. 783 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: One of the episodes that shook the world, the Entanglement episode. 784 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: Did anyone try to say, hey, don't do this or 785 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: this is something that you felt obviously had to be done. 786 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: Where were you? Where was you leading up to that episode? 787 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 2: You know, I felt like I had to go to 788 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 2: the table. Now, what I clear up in the book 789 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 2: is that Will wasn't supposed to be at the table. Okay, Yeah, 790 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 2: Will was not supposed to be at the table. And 791 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 2: I didn't ask Will to come to the table. Will 792 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 2: wanted to come to the table. He didn't want me 793 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,319 Speaker 2: to have to go through that by myself. And at 794 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 2: that particular time, which I talk about in the book extensively, 795 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:11,840 Speaker 2: Will and I were not together and we came to 796 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 2: the table, and what happened is that you really got 797 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 2: to see a dynamic between us, you know, kind of 798 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 2: like my codependency of like I will do anything at 799 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 2: this time to make sure you're okay, even if it 800 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 2: meant yeah, you know. But two things with that, So 801 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is your mess, So you got to 802 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 2: take you got to do the time on this, You 803 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 2: got to take the heat on this. This is your mess, right, 804 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 2: And then another like oh and then also, this is 805 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 2: going to be an opportunity to see your dysfunction, m 806 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 2: that you're about to see through the dynamic that's being 807 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 2: exhibited at this table right now, right and so, But 808 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 2: I also just wanted to shut the noise, own up 809 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,680 Speaker 2: to my part, even if it meant taking on a 810 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 2: whole lot that wasn't mine, and move on and make 811 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 2: sure everybody else was okay in it. No matter what, 812 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be straight. But the biggest part of that 813 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,840 Speaker 2: table is that it showed me a part of myself 814 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 2: that needed healing and a part of a dynamic within 815 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,439 Speaker 2: my relationship with Will that needed healing. And even though 816 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 2: people told me, Jada, do not put this out, they 817 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 2: begged me, Ellen included begged me everybody. They were like, 818 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 2: this isn't true. You're throwing yourself under the table. Why 819 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,400 Speaker 2: would you do this? And I needed that because I 820 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to see that dynamic. Now, you 821 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 2: can make any choice you want to make, or to 822 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 2: be unconscious any unconscious part in which why you're making 823 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 2: the choice. I had to make that choice so that 824 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 2: I could see the unconscious part. And I'm grateful, you 825 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying straight up for so many reasons. 826 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 4: Part of journey. 827 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 2: It's part of my journey, you know. And what I 828 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 2: was able to strip, what I was able to learn 829 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 2: and also with all of the shit that came my 830 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 2: way and being able to be ten toes down just 831 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 2: in my skin and be okay with it all. 832 00:52:59,520 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 4: Ugh. 833 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 2: But that's where it's at. That's where the true freedom is. 834 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: There, you go, We've never heard your perspective on the 835 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,280 Speaker 1: Oscar moment. 836 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 2: Hmm. Let me tell you that Oscar moment. There's a 837 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,240 Speaker 2: lot of perspective, which I talk about it in the book, 838 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,800 Speaker 2: The Holy Joke, the Holy Slap, and the Holy Lessons. 839 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 2: You know, I look at it all. It's like this 840 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 2: is just big one, one big university, and I don't 841 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:50,800 Speaker 2: have any judgment on any of it. I'm supposed to. 842 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 2: It did what it did, it happened, you know. I 843 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 2: don't have any judgment on any of it. You know, 844 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 2: and and have a lot of thoughts about it. You know, 845 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 2: I have no judgment on any of it. 846 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: We live in an era now with social media, and 847 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: you know you've chose to with the Red Table kind 848 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: of open up a deeper side and show another side. 849 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: Obviously with your book you're showing another side. How do 850 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,799 Speaker 1: you and your family, particularly your kids, deal with all 851 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: the noise? 852 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,239 Speaker 2: My kids are so gangster like if they you want 853 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 2: to talk about some writers like they really and I 854 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 2: think also they'd be like, that's y'all stuff, Like their 855 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,360 Speaker 2: generation is not thinking about what's happening over here, you know, 856 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:56,439 Speaker 2: it's just not so they just have They just kind 857 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 2: of have a real They kind of glide above it all. 858 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: In their own world. 859 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 2: And they're in their own world and on top of it, 860 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 2: they know who their parents are. They know they love 861 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,760 Speaker 2: us for what we are. They know we're not perfect. 862 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: They've been living in the house with us, in the 863 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 2: ship with us, you know what I mean, and they 864 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 2: love us both deeply and so because of the experience 865 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,359 Speaker 2: that they have with us one on one, they don't 866 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 2: all of that is just noise. They don't really pay 867 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 2: it any mind because they know what's happening. They know 868 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 2: what's going on. 869 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: It's it's real. 870 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 3: With being the icon and the legend and the queen 871 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,840 Speaker 3: you are, now, is it anything else you want to achieve, 872 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 3: like personal goals? 873 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: Anything on the bucket lists? 874 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 2: I think just on the bucket list to like keep 875 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 2: seeing the code, you know, as far as keep seeing 876 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 2: what is true and what's real within and without meaning 877 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 2: like dough everything that I've been through when you get 878 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 2: to see what's really going on. It just frees you up, 879 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 2: you know when you realize, like, oh, there's people out 880 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 2: here talking crazy about you, but it ain't stealing your 881 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 2: oxygen and your heart is still beating you straight. You 882 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, It's like, all right, that's on you, 883 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 2: like you know, it's like and just keep curing, like 884 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 2: deepening that level of self worth, keep curing that self 885 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 2: judgment because at the end of the day, there is 886 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 2: no weapon of judgment that can be forced against you 887 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 2: if your self judgment is in check. 888 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 4: Love your first. 889 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,200 Speaker 2: You gotta love yourself first, and you can't expect everybody 890 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 2: like who's going to love He's gonna love you. This 891 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,399 Speaker 2: world is fickle. So if we're looking for people out 892 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 2: here to give us something we can't give ourselves were 893 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,840 Speaker 2: all the time, you know what I mean. You gotta 894 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 2: be good with you people out here struggling trying to 895 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 2: figure out how to be good with themselves, you know 896 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And just deepening that knowledge and having 897 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 2: that compassion and having that love because the deeply, the 898 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 2: more deeply I can love myself, the more deeply I 899 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 2: can love others. And I find the utmost, the utmost 900 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 2: joy in that. 901 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 3: But you know, when you when you doing service to 902 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 3: others genuinely, that's the highest act that you can give anybody. 903 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: There it is that's in the Bible. 904 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 3: So that's the highest act of charity. It's caring about 905 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 3: it doing something with somebody else that don't. 906 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 2: Benefit you straight up. 907 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 4: So what would you tell your younger self if you 908 00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 4: go back? 909 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,880 Speaker 2: I would tell her so many things. I think the 910 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 2: first thing I would tell her is that God is real. 911 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 2: Please know that. That'd be number one. It took me 912 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 2: so long. I think I was freaking forty before I 913 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 2: realized how real God is. 914 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: Super real. 915 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, when people think of Jada Pikett Smith, what do 916 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,000 Speaker 3: you want them to think of for me? Like I said, 917 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,480 Speaker 3: We've been worshiping you and having you on a pedestal 918 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 3: for so long because of your work, because of who 919 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 3: you are, because you're a beautiful person. 920 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 4: We just admired you for so long. 921 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 3: So what Like, I know what I think when I say, 922 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 3: but when you want when people see you and think 923 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,959 Speaker 3: of you and your name come up, what you want 924 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 3: to think or say? 925 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,160 Speaker 4: What would you think would be the worst come? 926 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:04,280 Speaker 2: I think you know what? Whatever is real for them. 927 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,920 Speaker 1: Whatever they feel, whatever. 928 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 2: They feel, it's all good. It's like I can have 929 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,600 Speaker 2: it all, you know what I mean. It's like I 930 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,160 Speaker 2: can have the honor, I can have the disrespect, i 931 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 2: can have the consideration, I can have the lack of consideration. 932 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 2: I can have it all. And I'm gonna love you anyway. 933 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 2: It's all good. I'm gonna be all right. It's all good. 934 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 2: So I'm just grateful when someone has those beautiful words, 935 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be grateful. I'm gonna put that in my pocket, 936 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna say thank you, you know. And I'm 937 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 2: gonna be grateful when somebody doesn't have such beautiful words. 938 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 4: All right. 939 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: It's to give and take. It's all good, all right. 940 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 1: We're coming down to the quick hitters. Now, first thing 941 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,959 Speaker 1: that pops up in your mind, let us know. Top 942 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,720 Speaker 1: five most impactful women. 943 00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, top five most in your life, even 944 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 2: in my life. Grandmother number one, my grandmother, my mother. 945 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 2: Your twin got to be like my mother, my mother, 946 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:23,919 Speaker 2: Debbie Allen. Five my mother, my grandmother, Debbie Allen. Pack 947 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 2: for women, my daughter Willow. It's another one. There's an 948 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:42,200 Speaker 2: Indian Saint Ananda mighty. She's impacted my life greatly too. 949 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: I forgot to ask earlier, you uh done something I've 950 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: always wanted done? And how? Well? 951 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Not? 952 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: How was ayahuasca? I'm scared? 953 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 4: I want to do it. 954 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,640 Speaker 1: I want to do it. I forgot to ask how 955 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,479 Speaker 1: was it? Well? 956 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,960 Speaker 2: You know, if you want, how long has it been 957 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:56,520 Speaker 2: calling you? 958 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Like? Three? Four years? Five years old? 959 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 2: You've been calling you that? Okay, I talk about my journey. 960 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 2: I've been doing ayahuasca now since I was forty. That's 961 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 2: been it's twelve years, right. I wouldn't say that it's 962 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 2: a plant for everybody. I'll start there and how I 963 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,840 Speaker 2: got introduced to ayahuasca, And I would not say that 964 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 2: this is a remedy for depression. But when I hit 965 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,200 Speaker 2: that wall at forty, that was my first journey and 966 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:36,480 Speaker 2: it was brutal. It was brutal, but I never had 967 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 2: a suicidal thought ever again. After that was four nights? Wow, wow, 968 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,360 Speaker 2: four nights. 969 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Did you go out to like the jungles or somewhere else? 970 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 2: I went. I went to OHI. I didn't go to 971 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 2: the jungle. I went up to OHI. Yeah, I went 972 01:01:52,720 --> 01:02:01,200 Speaker 2: to this jungle. It is right, but yeah, I went. 973 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 4: To old is good enough for me on the tree. 974 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, and that's true. It's like that 975 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,840 Speaker 2: really know us for you know, when it calls you, 976 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 2: it calls you when it doesn't. It's not that it's 977 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 2: not for everybody. 978 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:20,000 Speaker 3: Number changed, it changed, okay, Yeah, good for you. 979 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 4: One actor roll you wish you could have, You could 980 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,200 Speaker 4: have had, probably. 981 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 2: Not supposed to get you know. 982 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's for you? 983 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,440 Speaker 4: It's for you anyway. 984 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,240 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody getting away of that one hobby or interest 985 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 1: people wouldn't know about. 986 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 2: You that people wouldn't wouldn't know. I love to bake. 987 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 1: Oh, really should go to seven upcake okay, okay, hold up? Okay, 988 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,960 Speaker 1: yeah we call it upside down cake. 989 01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love seven upcake and I can throw down 990 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 2: on a seven upcake. 991 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 4: Okay. 992 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah that's the Baltimore that's that thing. 993 01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 994 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,480 Speaker 3: Oh this question laying on there, who your so your 995 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 3: best friend? Like who knows all your tea? 996 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: Oh? 997 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 2: Who knows all my tea that you guys would know? 998 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 999 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 2: Okay, who would know all my tea that you guys know? 1000 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: It's like your homegirl, you have a glass of. 1001 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Wine with Lauren London. 1002 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 1: Lauren London. Yeah, I just seen it not too long ago. 1003 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, sneak ahead, favorite sneak of all time. 1004 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:40,040 Speaker 2: Favorite sneak of all time. Okay, hold up, that's a. 1005 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Hard one. 1006 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Colored rebox Princess cut. 1007 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 4: Colored Rebox Princess cut. 1008 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we used to in Baltimore. So what we 1009 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,360 Speaker 2: used to do. We used to get Russell sweatsuits. Okay, 1010 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 2: so you get mustard yellow, red, purple, and you could 1011 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 2: get rebox that mats. 1012 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: Otherwise the soldiers. 1013 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh yeah, yeah. 1014 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah right there. Yeah, that's like like a rebox classic 1015 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 2: rebox for me is where's that? 1016 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 4: That? 1017 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 3: Ain't nothing but early? Take a bot, take a shoe, 1018 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 3: and what's the other shoes? They had to strap with 1019 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 3: the strap on Giuseppe shoes. That's the early version of 1020 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,000 Speaker 3: everything is recycled. 1021 01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Your dream red table, your team plus five people that 1022 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,120 Speaker 1: are alive. Who's at your table? 1023 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 2: My dream red table? So you're talking about. 1024 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,160 Speaker 1: Guest wise, Yeah, just people you just want to sit 1025 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,000 Speaker 1: up and have a good conversation with, have a glass 1026 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: of wine, to have a great conversation with. Smoke woman. Yeah, 1027 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean we got a lot of the If we 1028 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: make the table, we might be able to bring something 1029 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 1: to it. 1030 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think my train red table. That's a 1031 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 2: let me let me flip this, Okay, flip it. 1032 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: Five dinner guests dead are alive. So you plus five 1033 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,360 Speaker 1: at dinner that are alive dead or. 1034 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 2: Alive dead or a live pock. Some one would love 1035 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:38,640 Speaker 2: to sit pack down. He'd have to be there. Damn, 1036 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 2: you got me stumped. Hold up, hmm, that might be yeah, 1037 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 2: have Marian, have Marian come through my grandmother? Maybe also 1038 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,200 Speaker 2: Karen Armstrong. Karen Armstrong is oh yeah, bring Karen Armstrong 1039 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 2: and talk to Pak and my grandmother who's been on 1040 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 2: the other side. Karen Armstrong is one of my favorite authors. 1041 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,960 Speaker 2: She used to be a Catholic nun and she writes. 1042 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,200 Speaker 2: She studies and writes about all different religions. She wrote 1043 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 2: this brilliant book called The History of God. So I'd 1044 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 2: have Karen Armstrong pac Marion. 1045 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Two more seats, two more seats. 1046 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 2: Damn who else will wrote a nath Swamy wrote a swammy, 1047 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 2: So it would be it would definitely be a table 1048 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 2: on some hot like spiritual just that's the tablettle though 1049 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,840 Speaker 2: you stuck me with that one. But I'm always interested 1050 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 2: in the mysteries of God. So that is like, I 1051 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,080 Speaker 2: could talk about that all day. 1052 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. 1053 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,240 Speaker 3: If you could see one guest on our show, who 1054 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 3: would be? But you have to help us get them 1055 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 3: on the show. 1056 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,040 Speaker 2: One guest like who do you want? 1057 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned your friend you share all the tea with? 1058 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,560 Speaker 1: She'd be dope. You guys have had lawd Yeah, and 1059 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,080 Speaker 1: we you know, we know her waiting till maybe your 1060 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,840 Speaker 1: push give us that extra Lauren. 1061 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,959 Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting. Lauren hasn't been on the show. 1062 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: She's already family. 1063 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just I think the time just hasn't permitted itself. 1064 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:44,720 Speaker 1: That's all it is. 1065 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,560 Speaker 2: That's all it is with Lauren. It's timing. It's timing 1066 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,160 Speaker 2: with Lauren. She needs a reason and we respect it. Yeah. 1067 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,600 Speaker 1: Well, Jada, thank you best the luck by the time 1068 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: this air is telling them where they can get your. 1069 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 2: Book at everywhere you can get at Barns and Nobles, Amazon, Target, 1070 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,280 Speaker 2: you know, you go, you know, anywhere you buy your books. 1071 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on that. Again, we've been fans of yours 1072 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,759 Speaker 1: for a long time. And then we're happy that you're 1073 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,479 Speaker 1: on that journey to finding the hire you and to 1074 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,600 Speaker 1: see you smile today and and and open up and 1075 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,000 Speaker 1: share with us was truly honest, So thank you, thank 1076 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: you to us. He's held itself long enough. It's only 1077 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: a matter of time. It's only amount of time. Well, 1078 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: that's a wrap, Jada Pickett Smith all the smoke. You 1079 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,519 Speaker 1: can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the iHeart 1080 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,280 Speaker 1: platform Black Effects. We'll see y'all next week.