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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Tom Pellicero, joining us on loan from the

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Speaker 1: NFL network, explain the NFL memo that came out yesterday. Tom, Well,

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Speaker 1: then the headline item is, of course, that the NFL

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Speaker 1: is now telling clubs in no uncertain terms that if

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Speaker 1: any game is canceled and cannot be made up within

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Speaker 1: the regularly scheduled eighteen game season, and it involves a

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Speaker 1: outbreak among unvaccinated players, then the team that has the

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Speaker 1: outbreak is going to forfeit. They are going to take

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Speaker 1: a loss in terms of playoff seating. They're also can

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Speaker 1: be responsible for reimbursing costs to the other team, paying

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Speaker 1: their visiting team share pool, and potentially, depending if protocols

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Speaker 1: are violated, subject to additional discipline. You know, last year,

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Speaker 1: of course, there were a couple of significant outbreaks, one

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee one in Baltimore. The league grand probes on those,

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Speaker 1: but at no point was a forfeit ever considered. Yet

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Speaker 1: some of the same ramifications, the players on neither team

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Speaker 1: would get paid if a game were canceled. The NFL

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Speaker 1: made a bunch of adjustments move some things around. They

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Speaker 1: were able to play all two hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 1: games in the seventeen week season, but they also always

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Speaker 1: held out the possibility they could use and add a

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Speaker 1: week eighteen to make up any games. In this memo,

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Speaker 1: it makes very clear in bold faced type, we do

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Speaker 1: not anticipate adding a nineteenth week to the season, and

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Speaker 1: even goes so far as to say that if the

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Speaker 1: team is not ready to play when they are scheduled

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Speaker 1: to play under the constitution and by laws, that is

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Speaker 1: conduct detrimental and the commissioner could take action against a

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Speaker 1: club if they are not able to play a game,

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Speaker 1: and specifically if it is because they had unvaccinated individuals

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Speaker 1: who tested positive and cause an outbreak. What role is

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Speaker 1: the NFL Players Association played. The NFL and the NFLPA

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Speaker 1: have negotiated the protocols to this point, including the fact

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Speaker 1: that players on neither team would get paid in terms

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Speaker 1: of team discipline. In terms of the forfeit and the loss,

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Speaker 1: those are league decisions that they make unilaterally because that

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Speaker 1: would not involve the players, so the players conversation does

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Speaker 1: not change. But in terms of all the protocols, the

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Speaker 1: differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals mask wearing, the daily

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Speaker 1: testing versus testing every two weeks, the significant travel restrictions.

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Speaker 1: The NFLPA has jointly negotiating all of those, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: the union sent a memo to all players yesterday that

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Speaker 1: once again reiterated what is really the top line out

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Speaker 1: of them in all this that the union, it's medical experts,

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Speaker 1: say that you have tested vaccines that are effective, even

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Speaker 1: though they have maintained that it's every player's individual choice

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Speaker 1: in the league is not mandating it. It's a very

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Speaker 1: strong message from the union and the league. They're upwards

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Speaker 1: the seventy eight percent of players within the league that

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Speaker 1: have at least one vaccine shot, and they are aiming

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Speaker 1: to get as many people vaccinated as possible before we

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Speaker 1: get to September. Yeah, I wonder about you know, you

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Speaker 1: talk about individual rights, and some of these players have

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Speaker 1: brought this up. So what does a team do to accommodate,

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Speaker 1: for the lack of a better word, somebody like DeAndre

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated, but I still want to play. Well, they're

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Speaker 1: allowed to do that because the vaccine is not mandated

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen in other sports who whether it's

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Speaker 1: You've got vaccinated people who are testing positive and they're

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Speaker 1: being pulled out of competition. Now. The NFL memo also

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Speaker 1: yesterday made reference to the fact that vaccinated individuals potentially

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Speaker 1: can return to play sooner. They only need to have

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Speaker 1: two If they're asymptomatic, they would need to have two

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Speaker 1: negative tests twenty four hours apart, and then they can return.

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Speaker 1: There's no mandatory ten day waiting period. But of course,

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Speaker 1: probably going to test positive for a while. But still,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to medical officials with teams who have I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call them concerns, but certainly questions about as you

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Speaker 1: see the delta variant, as you see other variants of

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Speaker 1: country every couple of weeks. Right now, you know the

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Speaker 1: significantly better than where we might be in September? If

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Speaker 1: the case numbers continue to rise, and if so, do

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Speaker 1: you roll back those restrictions. Because I can tell you this, Dan,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about I've talked to many, whether it's players, coaches,

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Speaker 1: agents for players, front office people, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who had some level of hesitancy and did not

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, if the league comes back

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Speaker 1: sauna is going to close again, that would be a

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Speaker 1: really hard sell. And so the NFL for the moment

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Speaker 1: is just continuing to emphasize what they did yesterday, which

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Speaker 1: is just here's all the reasons again that it is

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Speaker 1: and the league if you get facctionated. I'm federally mandated

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Speaker 1: to ask you about Aaron Rodgers. If you think he'll

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Speaker 1: show up, what's the end game here. The one thing

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Speaker 1: that I've heard consistently dan from people who know Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is everyone believes that he has and has had

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Speaker 1: a plan, and that he has not communicated that plan

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Speaker 1: to the powers to be. The packers have not been

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Speaker 1: told anything about whether or not he is going to

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Speaker 1: show up. There are certain levers that he potentially could

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Speaker 1: pull between He could show up on time. He could

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Speaker 1: decide to hold out five days into camp, eat two

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Speaker 1: they say, before they can go after his bonus money.

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Speaker 1: He could choose to temporarily retire. He could choose to

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Speaker 1: pull what is sometimes called a hold in, where you

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Speaker 1: show up but basically don't practice. But this collective bargaining

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Speaker 1: agreement looks upon that a little bit more harshly in

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Speaker 1: terms of there's a material failure to perform your duties,

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Speaker 1: then you know there's additional discipline that can come into play,

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Speaker 1: so you know you still have a lot of moving parts.

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Speaker 1: The packers have made clear publicly and privately for months

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Speaker 1: that they are not trading Aaron Rodgers. I am not

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Speaker 1: under the impression based upon what I know that that

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Speaker 1: has changed at all. Now. Is there any chance that

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Speaker 1: it would change if you got into mid August or

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Speaker 1: September or October toward the trade deadline and Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is still not there. That's hypothetical as of now. But

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Speaker 1: the Packers absolutely want Aaron Rodgers back. They've stood at

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Speaker 1: the ready. Whether it's the contract that we reported back

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Speaker 1: what are it's other potential changes in the organization. They're

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Speaker 1: basically saying, tell us what you need to make this work,

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Speaker 1: and to this point, Aaron Rodgers hasn't really done that.

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Speaker 1: I know you had a busy morning. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: making some time for us. Tom, Thank you, and have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. Anytime, Danny to be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: and the iHeart Radio app bringing Mark Spears, senior NBA

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Speaker 1: writer for The Undefeated. How jealous are you with Meat Friday? There? Mark, Man,

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Speaker 1: I've got a trigger I've got a trigger. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: mormnute up tonight. Now you inspired me to get some steaks,

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Speaker 1: all right? Is that your go to on the trigger? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still I got to get past novice status. My

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Speaker 1: wife is talking bad about me, like not paying attention

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Speaker 1: to the app as well as I need to and

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Speaker 1: the thermometer. Would you like to talk to my advisor,

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Speaker 1: my trigger advisor, because I'd be willing to do that

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Speaker 1: for you. Yes, okay, I will, I will. This is

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Speaker 1: with all seriousness, Yes, absolutely. I don't joke when it

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Speaker 1: comes to barbecue. Now. It depends on how good you

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Speaker 1: are in this segment. If you're good, then I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you my advisor's number. Okay, no pressure, Mark, Okay,

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Speaker 1: oh man, oh man. All right, here we go. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna play a game. They can. I say, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to talk to you. Man. You're a

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Speaker 1: legend in this business, so it's a pleasure. Thank you, Mark.

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Speaker 1: I did. I did see your Michael Jordan's story, and

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Speaker 1: I always tell my Jordan's story of how competitive he

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Speaker 1: is and after he hit the shot in Utah, we

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Speaker 1: thought his career was over. He ended on a championship jumper,

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Speaker 1: and we were ready to go on Sports Center and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to interview him. And he comes in. He's

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Speaker 1: drenching champagne, his jerseys out, basketball in his arm. Cuban

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Speaker 1: I said, man, it's a shame you're retiring. And he turns.

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Speaker 1: He goes, why's that. I said, I know, I'd like

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Speaker 1: stand up? So I'm in my suit and tie. So

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Speaker 1: I got Phil Jackson ready to go on Sports Center

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Speaker 1: So I stood up. He goes, how the bleep would

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, Michael. And Michael goes, well, where

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Speaker 1: Serge Wicker looked like a number one pick in the

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Speaker 1: draft next to Jordan, right, and they're killing Vince Carter.

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Speaker 1: Vince's pissed at Mac because he has to guard him, right,

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Speaker 1: but Jordan's trying to dunk on Mac doesn't doesn't, Mac

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Speaker 1: and he again said, there so many rumors out there,

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Speaker 1: kind of went on the back. But it's sure heat

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Speaker 1: it up, that's for sure. Where are we today? Where

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Speaker 1: are we today? We are on a runaway train? Then? Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know Sarkeegian's motto is all gas, no breaks, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there are any breaks on this story either,

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Speaker 1: and just kind of kind of writing an angry rhinoceros

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Speaker 1: or something, a lot of pissed off people, I'll say that. Then, well,

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Speaker 1: should they did? They have to consult an M on

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Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma leaving well, I put it this way.

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Speaker 1: You know every league says, okay, fourteen team members in

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Speaker 1: the SEC, and they're all equal partners. The problem with

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Speaker 1: that is some are more equal than others than you

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Speaker 1: know them. And I don't think h A and M's equalness.

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Speaker 1: He kind of equates to some of the other ones.

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Speaker 1: And quite frankly, A and M has been very out

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Speaker 1: they want to kill this whole thing. They want to

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Speaker 1: watch it. You know, they're in the SEC for a reason.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to get out from under Texas shadows. So

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Speaker 1: you know this is their worst nightmare right now, I think,

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Speaker 1: and so I think they're moving heavn and earth to

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Speaker 1: try to stop this at the last minute. But I

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Speaker 1: just don't like their chances. Okay, explain the game plan

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned. If I'm Oklahoma, I could stay Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve and I'm guaranteed a playoff spot

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Speaker 1: every single year. Yes, you know, Texas, you're being dominated

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Speaker 1: in the Big twelve. You know, how do you like

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Speaker 1: your chances in the SEC? So I'm just that's from

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Speaker 1: you know, a million miles away, applying logic to this.

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Speaker 1: Uh take that apart. Why is Oklahoma joining the SEC? Hey,

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Speaker 1: don't let it. Logic getting the way of money. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we know, we know what the driving fords behind college

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Speaker 1: athletics is. All you gotta do is look at the

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Speaker 1: last you know, a few changes with transfer portal and name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness and immediate eligibility, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say this is an out and out

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Speaker 1: money grab. But they would get so much more money,

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Speaker 1: they would get so much more prestige. It is the

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Speaker 1: premier conference. We all know that there's no denying that.

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Speaker 1: And as much as anything Dan, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: lot has to do with football scheduling. And even though

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Speaker 1: Texas has I mean that got series home and home

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Speaker 1: with Alabama Georgia Florida between now and twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is the Big Twelve. You don't have

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Speaker 1: the TV draw or the ticket draw that you do

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Speaker 1: in the SEC. You know, they can look at A

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Speaker 1: and M and A and M every other year has

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Speaker 1: a Alabama LSU coming in Auburn, and here comes to

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Speaker 1: Florida and Georgia. Taxas is trying to sell tickets to

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Speaker 1: you know, disrespect you know, Kansas, Kansas State. I would stayed,

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Speaker 1: and those teams just don't move the needle like SEC teams.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's as big a function of this end.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're remodeling the south end zone at or

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Speaker 1: a Memorial Stadium that'll be ready for the Louisiana game

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Speaker 1: on September fourth, And they're building a brand new basketball center,

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Speaker 1: Moody Center, that will be ready in you know, like

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Speaker 1: a year and a half, what happens to the Big twelve?

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Speaker 1: Bye bye? I mean, I just I don't want to

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Speaker 1: see how they compete. I mean, you know, they made

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Speaker 1: thirty four and a half million in a COVID year.

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Speaker 1: That was their share of TV revenue. You know, while

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Speaker 1: SEC is looking at forty five million. I've heard it

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Speaker 1: might grow to a sixty million if a year per

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Speaker 1: school in Texas and Oklahoma joined. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: I was them, I throw out the life raft and

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Speaker 1: knock on the PAC twelve door and see if the

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Speaker 1: Big ten's interested. But are the ACC But you know,

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Speaker 1: so many of them were going to be left behind

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Speaker 1: when we went through this last wave of expansion in

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Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma, and others flirted with the PAC twelve

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Speaker 1: right to the eleventh hour. So but I think they're

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Speaker 1: looking for any life raft in the ocean they can find.

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Speaker 1: And I would be putting out peters to Houston and

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Speaker 1: SMU Cincinnati, you see, maybe BYU in Boise State. Even

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Speaker 1: so it kind of becomes every man for himself. I

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Speaker 1: just get down to it. I just wonder if we're

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Speaker 1: headed towards maybe four divisions, ten teams, twelve teams and

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Speaker 1: you just make it like the NFL model, and now

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Speaker 1: there's you're going to have great matchups every week, week

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Speaker 1: in and week out. You can have twelve, fourteen, sixteen

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Speaker 1: playoff teams like the NFL does. Do you think we're

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Speaker 1: headed in that direction at some point, Kirk? It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me. I was pretty much blindsided when you know,

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Speaker 1: they started talking about going to twelve team playoff. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've all been crying to go to six and at

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Speaker 1: least eight, and then all of a sudden, boom, let's

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Speaker 1: go to twelve, you know, and then when does twelve

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Speaker 1: become twenty four? So you know, it's kind of the

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Speaker 1: professionalization of college athletics, if you will. When you see

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Speaker 1: a Bryce Young maybe making a million dollars off and

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Speaker 1: I endorsements. I mean, this is not your granddad's you know,

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Speaker 1: college football game anymore. And it just gets more and

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Speaker 1: more big time, and the dollars just get bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 1: and everybody wants their share. Everybody wants to be left behind,

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Speaker 1: So that would not surprise me at all. Then you

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Speaker 1: guys wanted Nick Saban in Texas a few years back, Well,

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Speaker 1: you get him, but he's just going to be the

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Speaker 1: visiting coach there. They take They take Nick Saban Part

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Speaker 1: two in Sarkeesian and I like to have Nick here

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Speaker 1: every other year. That would be fun too. Enjoy your vacation.

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Speaker 1: Great job is always thanks for joining us, Kirk anytime, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Take care,