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Speaker 2: So, Jank, you and I just started sort of talking

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other stuff, and the conversation just sort

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Speaker 2: of unfolded. So you're going to pick up here kind

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Speaker 2: of midstream with jenk and I already engaged in a

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Speaker 2: conversation about the future of the Democratic Party. So I

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I don't want progressivism to be known as bane from

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Speaker 1: uh from you know Batman series. Yeah, you just we

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Speaker 1: let we're known as the guys who let all the

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Speaker 1: criminals go right, where's the justice in that.

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Speaker 2: My So, my view, which is probably similar to yours,

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Speaker 2: the neoliberal approach to politics, all the litmus tests are

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Speaker 2: around social issues. In the Democratic Party. You can be

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Speaker 2: You know, you can be very pro corporate. I think

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Speaker 2: it should be the exact reverse. I think the litmus

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Speaker 1: Issues, goddamn right.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, personally, I'm like pretty left on

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Speaker 2: So where I get frustrated in the conversation is when

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Speaker 2: like the selth Moltens of the world are instantly like, well,

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Speaker 2: it's trans people, you know. It's like, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: if your only assessment from this is to like throw

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Speaker 2: very convenient for the donor class. That's very convenient for

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Speaker 2: But if your only instinct is like to blame the

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Speaker 1: So I actually one hundred percent agree with you. Thank

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Speaker 1: us to live in non reality. And non reality is

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Speaker 1: saying that ad didn't hurt us when both sides said definitively,

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Speaker 1: according to our internal numbers, it was fucking devastating, right,

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Speaker 1: So like, that's not the number one reason, as I.

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Speaker 2: Because Bernie has the same position on transgender issues, but

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Speaker 2: some cultural issues that, yeah, may not be that popular,

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Speaker 1: Do the a sound strategy if you uh, And that's

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Speaker 1: So that's why I was saying the AD was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I totally agree with that. I totally agree

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Speaker 2: with it. I don't think you can say like that

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you so, I agree with all that.

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Speaker 1: I will say that I think Bernie twenty twenty was

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed. So we've been talking here to jenk Yuger

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Speaker 2: obviously of TYT and many other wonderful distinctions as well.

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Speaker 2: But lucky to have you in studio today and we

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, all right, great to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you the official welcome now. So you've been

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Speaker 2: making a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of waves I love to make.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you've been stirring the pot, sir.

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Speaker 1: That's what I am almost sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I was telling you Kyle and I both

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Speaker 2: enjoyed Jinksgiving Thank you, and we're listening to it on

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Speaker 2: the way back from New York. One thing I wanted

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Speaker 2: into the stuff with you and Elon and Bernie's chimed

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Speaker 2: Trump administration, which, tell me, if I'm wrong, feels different

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Speaker 2: can talk a little bit more about that and kind

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Speaker 2: of emblematic of that if you guys could put jenks

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out why I'm more optimistic now than

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Speaker 2: I was before the election, even though I was so

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Speaker 2: not my mortal enemy, and neither is the extreme left.

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Speaker 2: So there's a few pece of this that I have

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Speaker 2: you know, I think you and I both think that

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Speaker 2: Trump is a fascist. In fact, I think we both

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Speaker 2: argued with our co hosts about this rather memorably what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a couple of things. So number one, he

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Speaker 1: was a Why did I call him a fascist? I'm

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Speaker 1: very clear on this, right, because he did a fake

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Speaker 1: elector plant to overthrow the democratic elections in twenty twenty, right,

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Speaker 1: and he said to terminated the constitution afterwards. A lot

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Speaker 1: the constitution, et cetera. Right, Right, So I have those

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Speaker 1: same exact concerns. Those concerns have not left. But the

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Speaker 1: one thing that happened in this election was that he

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Speaker 1: Right yeah too, Like, yeah, let's.

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Speaker 2: Go democracy certainly free and elections exist, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: And suddenly they're in favor of democratic elections. So great,

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Speaker 1: wonderful because my number one concern is that he's not

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Speaker 1: going to leave office. I'm less concerned about that now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so maybe I'm wrong about that, And if I'm naive

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Speaker 2: Let me just say though, So for me personally, yes,

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Speaker 2: My fear this time is he doesn't have those people

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Speaker 2: that's why I almost feel like I've traveled like the

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Cash Betel's a disaster, Pete Hegsith is

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, so but him being a mess might have

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Speaker 1: The Labor Secretary great, given the Trump administration, given the limitations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has allowed him to be above the

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Speaker 1: are all And I agree with you. The establishment was

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Speaker 1: Being slightly optimistic? Well, there's two parts to it. One

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Speaker 1: is the establishment being defeated. We got to come back

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Speaker 1: to that because that's so important. But I'm Trump the

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Speaker 1: new break in the car. And this is this is

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Speaker 1: me out on a limb. Okay, is right wing populous?

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Speaker 1: So okay, I see.

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Speaker 2: You was I mean, listen, I am you know the

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Speaker 2: show I do right and I love soccer, and but

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Speaker 2: I am also very skeptical that that movement has significant

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Speaker 2: sway or influence with Trump. Go ahead and make your case.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think I I think that's wrong. So

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Speaker 1: number one is a different magabase than in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: The twenty sixteen magabase was Trump is DEMI God. Whatever

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Speaker 1: I despise that prison of lies. That is establishment media. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So now in online media, yeah, you got the Russians,

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Speaker 1: you got this, you got wild and wooly crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: You got people I disagree with on the extream left,

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Speaker 1: on the extreme right. It's a mess in online media,

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Speaker 1: and I love it. Okay, that's the jungle, But Crystal,

435
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Speaker 1: that's our jungle. Okay. So if we started this jungle

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Speaker 1: at the young Turks and breaking points in the young

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Speaker 1: Turks are in that are in those same woods, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: in the woods we have to fight off the right,

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Speaker 1: the left, the middle of the Russians, the Israelis, the Saudis,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, that's the woods, baby, right, But we

441
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Speaker 1: were born in those woods.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't you jink. I just I've

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Speaker 2: seen too much I mean, you know what the incentives are, like,

444
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Speaker 2: the incentives are to feed the algorithm, and incentives are

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Speaker 2: to future audience whatever they want to hear. The incentives

446
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Speaker 2: are to be you know, ever more in your own bubble,

447
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Speaker 2: and a lot of the incentives are the same, like

448
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Speaker 2: access driven ones and corruption driven ones as the mainstream press.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why you and I didn't get interviews

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Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris because she knows we would ask her

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Speaker 2: some tough questions. Of course, there's a reason.

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Speaker 1: And gives it damn about getting in every book.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, oh, I am coming a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in interviewing a corporate robot anyway.

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Speaker 2: But Jake, my point is that a lot of people

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Speaker 2: do care about that, which is why, I mean, so

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Speaker 2: much of right wing media is just like, you know,

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Speaker 2: basically sucking off Trump and whatever he says and towing

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Speaker 2: the line because they want to maintain that access. They

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Speaker 2: want to maintain you know, their funding, funding and their money,

461
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Speaker 2: and they want to feed their audience whatever they want

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Speaker 2: to be fed. And so again there's a possibility here,

463
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to squash that. I think it's

464
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Speaker 2: really important and it excites me on the stay in

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Speaker 2: the same respects like I'm clear eyed about what assesspool.

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Speaker 2: A lot of independent media, frankly is at this point.

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Speaker 2: And so I there's I guess a caution that I

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Speaker 2: have about it.

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Speaker 1: So nobody knows that better than me. Right, We've been doing.

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Speaker 2: This for I know, I know, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I so we started when the Internet was a

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Speaker 1: nice place. That's how old we are, so longest running,

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Speaker 1: showing internet history, first YouTube partner, you know all that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So my point is that I have gone through all

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Speaker 1: of those different things, and I'm perfectly aware of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not at all naive about it, I know, Right,

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question back. You and

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Speaker 1: I both worked at MSNBC. So we've worked and establishment media,

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Speaker 1: we've worked online media. What do you prefer?

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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely online media. Then I'll tell you, Jank, We've

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Speaker 2: made some very specific decisions here, which is we don't

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Speaker 2: do that. We will never talk to an advertiser, you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't do adreads. We you know, have tried to

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Speaker 2: intentionally create our business to avoid as much as possible,

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Speaker 2: and we're still human beings. But as much as possible

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Speaker 2: some of the you know, the pressures, the incentives, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: that I think have led to, you know, most of

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Speaker 2: the media ecosystem being not that great. And I think

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Speaker 2: you know that's you know, I know you guys have

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Speaker 2: made some of those choices in your own way. Is

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Speaker 2: not exactly the same ones that we have. But most

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Speaker 2: people like the money's green, and you know, they want

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Speaker 2: me to read this ad for like the Bald Coddlers

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, and I'm going to do it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not going to look into that product. And

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Speaker 2: if later down the road there's some problem with the product,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to cover it because then I'm going

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Speaker 2: to have a problem with my funders. Like I think,

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Speaker 2: because we've made some specific decisions here, it has given

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Speaker 2: us a lot of freedom. But I don't necessarily see

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Speaker 2: those same incentives, you know, playing out across all of

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Speaker 2: independent media which is created. So as much as I

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Speaker 2: would love for us to be the model for everyone,

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Speaker 2: that's not the reality of most of what exists out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but so Crystal, I agree with you on all

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Speaker 1: of that. Again, stimulate to all the facts, right, But

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Speaker 1: at least we've got a fighter's chance at online media.

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Speaker 1: And what has our perseverance shown tyt as a network. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's shown that when you buck all the tides and

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Speaker 1: you don't take the obvious money, you don't serve those

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Speaker 1: corporate interests, and you get attacked by every side, imaginable, right, establishment,

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Speaker 1: right wing, left wing, everyone has attacked us. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: yet we're still the largest. So now that's not to

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Speaker 1: just a brag or anything. There's a real point in there,

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Speaker 1: which is, yes, but the audience values the truth and

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Speaker 1: so as difficult as it is day to day, Oh,

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Speaker 1: somebody lined about you, you lost a part of your audience.

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Speaker 1: So someone else lined about you, you lost a part of

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Speaker 1: your audience. But you still keep going and going and going.

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Speaker 1: And those guys they all fall off, they all fall off.

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Speaker 2: Daily Wire is way bigger than us, and they are

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Speaker 2: you know, they're propagandists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Daily Wire has gotten an enormous amount of

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Speaker 1: money from corporate interests right now. But that's in the run.

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Speaker 2: The new establishment media, you know, it's I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: not bucking the system, right, they're they're just a new

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Speaker 2: version on a different platform of effectively Fox News, I know.

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Speaker 1: But Chrysal. I'm a business person, and I can see

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Speaker 1: that those models are unworkable in the long run. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what the right wing billionaires are doing is they have

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Speaker 1: a marketing budget, right, and their marketing budget goes to

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Speaker 1: things like other right wing media, right online, right wing media,

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Speaker 1: And I get it. And that's a big reservoir of

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Speaker 1: money that the left doesn't have at all, right, Right,

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Speaker 1: And so it's so ironic when they're like Soros controls everything.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys checked into how right media against financed? Okay,

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Speaker 1: let alone the fact that Soros hasn't helped us a dime, right,

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Speaker 1: as far as I don't know about you guys are

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Speaker 1: not definitely, and so I get all that, But they

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Speaker 1: don't have margins. It's not a real business. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: not a real business if you have to rely on,

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Speaker 1: as Dennis Prager does, twenty three million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: from right wing billionaires, right, that's just a marketing, short

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Speaker 1: term marketing operation. Whereas building a real business where people

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Speaker 1: actually value what you're doing, value the truth, that is

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Speaker 1: sustainable in the long run. And we've proven that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So look last thing on Trump in terms of why then.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk and then I want to talk

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Speaker 2: to them about elon.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know, I don't mind at all, but

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Speaker 1: like on why I'm not despondent as I was in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Okay, okay, So there's the right wing base.

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Speaker 1: But there's one of the thing with Trump. He loves

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Speaker 1: being popular. So you got to get one decent person

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Speaker 1: in the room to show him how to be popular,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think he knows how. He's just grasping

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Speaker 1: a straws He's blind, right, he keeps doing ab testing.

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Speaker 1: He's like, okay, what's more popular, being pro immigrant or

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Speaker 1: anti immigrant? He did that, like back in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: He went on a radio tour and he's like pro emigrant, No,

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Speaker 1: that's not anti immigrant. Oh yeah, okay, people like that, right. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: but paid family leave is popular, healthcare is popular, higher

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Speaker 1: wages as popular, and the right wing populist like all that.

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Speaker 1: Anti war, anti corruption, those are all popular, and the

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Speaker 1: right wing populist agree with the left wing populist. So

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Speaker 1: there is an area of possible agreement there that could

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Speaker 1: get something done that the establishment would never do. The

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Speaker 1: establishment would never be anti war, they would never be

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Speaker 1: anti corruption, they would be never anything positive. So like,

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Speaker 1: we've broken out of that prison, and that prison was

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Speaker 1: the worst place in the world and it was filled

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Speaker 1: with nothing but gas lighting about the American people's suck,

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Speaker 1: and the donors are the greatest. The politicians are honest.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know who is going to be that

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Speaker 2: voice number one, because his administration has largely been filled with,

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Speaker 2: you know, almost with a few exclusions. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think the Labor Secretary is a notable one, but with

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Speaker 2: almost all like sort of right wing ideo logs. And

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Speaker 2: number two. I guess part of what I'm grappling with

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Speaker 2: as well is if you go down the list of issues,

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Speaker 2: I'm all for a horseshoe, and I think there are

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Speaker 2: some areas there, you know, to work with Josh Holly

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Speaker 2: or work with that used to be Marco Ruby actually

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Speaker 2: was kind of interesting on some of the economic stuff,

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Speaker 2: like Matt Gates also was interesting on the economics. All

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Speaker 2: for horseshoe, working with elected representatives, et cetera. But if

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Speaker 2: you go down the list, I think you and I

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Speaker 2: are mostly ideologically in the same place. I'm sure we

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Speaker 2: have some differences, but I think we're buying large ideologically

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Speaker 2: in the same place. If I go down a list,

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Speaker 2: I am on almost every issue closer to the common

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Speaker 2: Harris Democrat than I am to the Donald Trump Republican,

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Speaker 2: whether it's healthcare or wages or labor or any of

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Speaker 2: these things. And so that's what's kind of That's what's

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Speaker 2: a little bit like dissonant for me, is you know,

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Speaker 2: if we're caring about the policy outcomes, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: much more likely to get improvement, not the things we

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Speaker 2: would want, like Medicare for all, but much more likely

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Speaker 2: to get improvement on the policy outcomes that I would

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Speaker 2: want to see from a Kamala Harris. So react to that,

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Speaker 2: but also like, are you saying that you're actively happy

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Speaker 2: that Trump beat her at this point?

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Speaker 1: No, So this is what I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: is since I agree with you ideologically that I'm closer

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Speaker 1: to the theoretical Kamala Harris potations, right, That's why I

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Speaker 1: voted for Kamlaris donald Trump. And I'm worried to Donald Trump. Again.

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Speaker 1: Never called them a Nazi, never called him Hitler, but

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Speaker 1: fascist is another word for authoritarian, right, And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm worried that Donald Trump's an authoritarian. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I vote and he said to terminate the consolation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I voted for Kamala Harris. Okay, So now

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Speaker 1: having said that, now that he is one, right, I

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Speaker 1: would have preferred an actual populace instead of I you

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Speaker 1: to be a fake populist. Right, But now that he

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Speaker 1: is won, there is a tiny ray of hope that

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Speaker 1: did not exist in the establishment prison.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I hear that.

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Speaker 1: So last thing on that is, I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: specific example paid family leaf. Is Trump likely to do it? No?

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Speaker 1: Of course not right? So and was Kamala Harris going

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Speaker 1: to do it? No? Of course not. Okay, No, there's

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Speaker 1: a chance with her that No, that I totally disagree.

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Speaker 1: That's where I disagree. The establishment never waivers. They will

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Speaker 1: do what corporate donors tell them. Not ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: of the time, one hundred percent of not true, it

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Speaker 1: is one hundred anything.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you some specific examples from the Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: which is anti trust. Lena Khan, right, the Lall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal hated him for that, The billionaires hated him for that.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is that was a big pressure campaign

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Speaker 2: they put on Kamala Harris to make sure she got

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Speaker 2: rid of Lena Khan has her so that he was

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Speaker 2: the most pro labor president we have had in our lifetimes.

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Speaker 1: That is, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, but these are two areas where the donors did

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Speaker 2: not want this right and his National Labor Relations Board,

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Speaker 2: you know, the General Counsel Jennifer brusso genuinely sort of

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Speaker 2: revolutionary in her approach, and they ended captive audience meetings

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Speaker 2: for one example. A lot of the decisions she made

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Speaker 2: helped to enable this grassroots labor organizing search, and so

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Speaker 2: you know that was that was a break from neoliberalism.

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Speaker 2: Now he has destroyed any possible positive legacy with genocide

643
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Speaker 2: and Gaza and all kinds of other things besides and

644
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Speaker 2: being so arrogant and not getting out of the way,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. But he did break with what the billionaires

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Speaker 2: wanted and what the donors wanted in a few key areas,

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Speaker 2: and I think we are very like that is not

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Speaker 2: going to happen with Trump. Trump is already handed so

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Speaker 2: much government pound. This will help us transition into Elon

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Speaker 2: to Elon Musk with this doge thing. I mean, Elon

651
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Speaker 2: is not only the richest man on the planet, but

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Speaker 2: he also has massive multi billions of dollars in government contracts.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the Pentagon's largest contractors. And whether it's

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates or whoever,

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Speaker 2: I as a matter of principle, object to like rule

656
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Speaker 2: by billionaires, rule by unelected billionaires. And that is this

657
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Speaker 2: is like the most clear manifestation of that that I've

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Speaker 2: ever seen.

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Speaker 1: So for Biden and Obama, what they do is a

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Speaker 1: release valve. Right, so they'll give you five to ten

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Speaker 1: percent change, sure, And I would argue that Biden at

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Speaker 1: his height, actually did fifteen percent of his agenda. So

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Speaker 1: for Democrats, that's like record break and we're only lying

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: They say, well, well, look, we gave you a little

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Speaker 1: release valve so you don't do a revolution. We gave

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Speaker 1: you Lena Khan, we gave you a decent National Labor

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Speaker 1: Relations Board. Now, of course we didn't give you the

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Speaker 1: pro Act. Don't be ridiculous. We're not going to actually

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Speaker 1: promise me.

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Speaker 2: But how many supported the pro Act and how many Republicans? No?

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Speaker 1: But that's my point, that's my point, Crystal. Those Democrats

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Speaker 1: are liars. They don't actually support the pro act. They

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Speaker 1: don't actually support any of those policy positions. Giant, enormous liars.

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Speaker 1: So you saw it on fifteen dollar minum wage. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're for fifteen dollar minute wage. Joe Biden's like, get

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Speaker 1: it out of goddamn bill, right, he said in the

679
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Speaker 1: first interview in the Super Bowl, he said, Oh no,

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Speaker 1: we can't do fifteen domenu in wage. Why And I

681
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: remember talking to people in Congress saying, oh, Jang, what

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Speaker 1: are you worried about. It's guaranteed, it's guaranteed. Nancy PELUSI

683
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: told us it's guaranteed, right, And what did we do?

684
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Speaker 1: We forced a vote on it. And what happened? Eight

685
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Speaker 1: sellout Democratic senators voted against the fifteen dolarmeters, which including

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Speaker 1: the two Biden.

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Speaker 2: Senator How many Republicans voted? Again?

688
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Speaker 1: No, no, But Crystal, I stipulate that the Republicans are

689
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Speaker 1: totally corrupt.

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Speaker 2: But are you? Because it seems like you're saying that

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Speaker 2: you're more likely to get like something real out of

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Speaker 2: them than you are on of the Democrats. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm clear eyed about the Democrats. You know, I've been

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Speaker 2: plenty critical of them in their many failings, but I

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Speaker 2: just don't think that's true. And you know, part of

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Speaker 2: it is that Democrats get significant funding from labor unions

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Speaker 2: and that's a part of their coalition, and so that's

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Speaker 2: part of why they're that's part of why that's part

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Speaker 2: of why they have been more. I mean they have

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Speaker 2: just the Biden administration in particular was pretty consistently pro labor,

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Speaker 2: and I think they deserve you know, I think they

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Speaker 2: deserve some credit for that.

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Speaker 1: And dragged to the picone's like, oh my god, a

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Speaker 1: Democrat didn't like.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats are perfect, but Donald Trump is a strike

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Speaker 2: breaker like he and was like, isn't that awesome how

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Speaker 2: you fired these striking workers? But he has been a

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Speaker 2: union buster his entire career. His first NLRB and lay

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Speaker 2: secretary work horrendous. So it kind of feels.

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Speaker 1: Like you are no, no, no, no, Look, let's so

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Speaker 1: let's be super clear about it. So if you say

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Speaker 1: to me, establishment Republicans suck, I agree. But the Republican

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Speaker 1: populace base that elected Trump did a revolution against Mitch McConnell,

714
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Speaker 1: did a revolution.

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Speaker 2: Against that Trump, not because of his like corporate whatever

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Speaker 2: trumps the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest Nevertheless, Nevertheless, establishment Republicans are defeated and humiliated, and

718
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Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, they are.

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio is Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: But let's see what happens with the right wing base

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Speaker 1: when he goes to start that war. We're going to

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Speaker 1: find out. So no, here, I'll give you two specific examples.

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Speaker 1: Number one, on paid family leave. Neither one of them

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Speaker 1: is likely to do it. And and no, I'm not

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Speaker 1: thinking that everything is rainbows and sunshine and oh my god,

726
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Trump's going to be amazing. No, he is more likely

727
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Speaker 1: to do what he has done in the past, and

728
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Speaker 1: what he has done in the past is bad, bad,

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Speaker 1: to terrible. Okay, yes, so I've got that at about

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent. Everyone else has it at ninety nine

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Speaker 1: or one hundred percent. That is on our side, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think that that is wrong. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a twenty five percent chance that that right wing base

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Speaker 1: and his desire for popularity makes a difference. I think

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Speaker 1: with corporate Democrats, you would have never ever gotten paid

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Speaker 1: family leave, even though it polls at eighty four percent.

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Speaker 1: They're enormous liars. All they have to do is introducing it.

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Speaker 1: It passes right. So the fact that they know that

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Speaker 1: they could just introduce it and have it pass, and

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Speaker 1: they won't do it anyway shows you they are hopeless.

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Speaker 1: They are one hundred percent donor driven. And every once

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Speaker 1: in a while, I release valve, release valve. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: on the pressure, but on the on the Republican side,

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00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: if you convince Donald Trump that paid family leave will

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Speaker 1: make him more popular, he'll do it overnight. He doesn't have.

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Speaker 2: About Mitch McConnell wing ideologs around it. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is the thing, But then what are you going to

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Speaker 2: do give up home? You just can't. You just can't know.

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Speaker 1: But you then let's talk about the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: No, but you, let's talk about the Pentagon, because I

751
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Speaker 2: do think that's an interesting point of conversation. If I

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00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: look at how many Democrats support the Proact and how

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Speaker 2: many Republicans. If I look at how many Democrats support

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Speaker 2: paid family leave and how many Republicans, I'm not saying

755
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: the Democrats are great, but I am saying that that

756
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: release valve is vastly superior to you know, with Trump,

757
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: you're going to get some level of extremely cruel border

758
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: policy which is going to cause unbelievable pain to a

759
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: number of people. You are going to probably get West

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Speaker 2: Bank annexation and more brutality in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 2: so I just can't sort of you know, while yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll have a hope in a prayer that

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00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: maybe something positive will come out somewhere, Like I'm just

764
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: clear eyed about I think there's going to be a

765
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: lot of pain and cruelty and unnecessary suffering caused by

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Speaker 2: this administration. So that's why it's hard for me to

767
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Speaker 2: relate to like a sense of optimism about the possibility,

768
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Speaker 2: even as again I'm all for a good horseshoe if

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Speaker 2: there's an issue. You know, Bernie Sanders has done this

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Speaker 2: also working with I think Josh Holly on stimulus check.

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Speaker 2: We like, do it great, get what you can. But also,

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Speaker 2: like like I said before, I think what's likely to happen,

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Speaker 2: the most likely outcome is just things are going to

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Speaker 2: get overall worse than That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where I am looking like a repeat it before people

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Speaker 1: believe me. I know Donald Trump has done terrible things

777
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Speaker 1: in the past. That's why I fought tooth and nail

778
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: against them in all of the elections. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: what is more likely. I know how awful the Republicans

780
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Speaker 1: have been in the past, right, Okay. The only point

781
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Speaker 1: of disagreement is I think some of those right wing

782
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Speaker 1: voters are not as horrific as you think they are.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think the voters are horrific. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that at all. I think that they there is

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00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: no track record of them, you know, constraining Donald Trump,

786
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: holding him to account. He has become the central figure

787
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Speaker 2: in the Republican Party. And you know, however, he wants

788
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Speaker 2: to spend things, whatever case he wants to make. What

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Speaker 2: I have seen is people consistently, even in this era,

790
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Speaker 2: even with new parts of the coalition, et cetera, I

791
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Speaker 2: have seen them fall in line. And that's where the

792
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Speaker 2: RFK Junior and the Tulsi example, I get it.

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Speaker 1: So if I said to you, who is more likely

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Speaker 1: to cut the Pentagon Joe Biden, Kama harris Er, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: None, Okay, I mean Donald Donald Trump increased the defense

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Speaker 2: budget every year that he was in.

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Speaker 1: There, of course, and he bragged about it. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I agree that none of them are likely to cut it.

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Speaker 1: But with Trump, because of his right wing base and

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Speaker 1: his desire for popularity, I have it at possible. With

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Speaker 1: Biden and Harris, it had a zero percent chance because

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Speaker 1: they work for the goddamn donors. They would never cut

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Speaker 1: the military.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he went to oil, Give me a

805
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Speaker 2: billion dollars, whatever you want me to do, Crypto, you

806
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: know he.

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Speaker 1: Was going to be a disaster. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: convince me of that. But here's let me see if

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Speaker 1: I could break through one last time. So if Biden said,

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Speaker 1: if Kamala Harris had won and she developed a conscience,

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Speaker 1: which is nearly impossible, and said, you know what, this

812
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Speaker 1: Pentagon is bloated. Look at all this fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 1: They can't find four hundred million dollars. That said, I'm

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Speaker 1: cutting two hundred billion dollars from the Pentagon. Even if

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Speaker 1: she had done that, which you had a zero percent chance,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats would have, not just the Republicans, but the

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Speaker 1: Democrats would have found a way to stop her and

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Speaker 1: not allow her to cut the Pentagon. So there was

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Speaker 1: no hope at all, black hole of hope. Okay, with Trump,

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Speaker 1: if the Republicans go to stop him, if he goes

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Speaker 1: to cut the Pentagon, they won't be able to. If

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Speaker 1: Mitch mcconnoughll goes and Rick cargles, you won't cut the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: Trump like, what did you say, bitch? Okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: Mitch okay, right, and Mitch Mcca. I'm so sorry. I'm

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Speaker 1: so sorry. We're cutting the Pagan everybody, We're cutting the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon because Trump has them bullied. That is another advantage

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Speaker 1: of Trump that he could bully the establishment, his grotesque

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Speaker 1: establishment authoritarian tendencies.

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Speaker 2: Jiu jitsu move jiu jitsu end up being a benefit.

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Speaker 2: Take your position. I do want to just quickly, because

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Speaker 2: we've already gone on a long time. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to keep you too long, but I do want to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Elon thing, and we

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Speaker 2: can put up the Bernie Sanders tweet you had done.

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Speaker 2: You would like reach out to Elon like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll help you cut the Pentagon budget if series about this.

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Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders says something similar. Elon Musk is right, the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon just failed as haven't thought it. That must change,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Obviously I would like to see the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon's budget cut. I will tell you, like I said,

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Speaker 2: I am all for working for the with the elected representatives,

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00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: as Bernie has done in the past with Josh Holly

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Speaker 2: and others on areas of agreement, totally fine with my

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Speaker 2: problem maybe my core litmus tests. And you and I

845
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Speaker 2: were talking about this before, like if I was to

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Speaker 2: design the Democratic Party from scratch, the litmus test would

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00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: all be around economics and there would be a larger

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Speaker 2: tent around cultural issues, even as I know personally have

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Speaker 2: mostly lefty issues on positions on cultural issues. But pretty

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Speaker 2: core litmus test for me is we shouldn't be allowing

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Speaker 2: unelected billionaires to effectively run the government, and so on

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Speaker 2: this particular issue, I do come down in a different

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Speaker 2: place than you because I think this project of giving

854
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, richest man on the planet, one of the

855
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: Pentagon's largest contractors, who's in Brown all sorts of regulatory

856
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: disputes around labor violations and environmental degcorty and SEC violations,

857
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: giving him carte blanche to remake the government. However he

858
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: wants to like just down a principle, I think that's

859
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: a project overall that should be a post.

860
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So totally agree, but that's not where we are.

861
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the agreement and then let's talk

862
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: about what to do going forward. Okay, So this is

863
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: what I told the Republicans and the right wing voters

864
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: and the independence before the election. Look, Donald Trump openly

865
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: brags about his corruption. He goes, I used to be

866
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: against electric vehicles, but then Elon gave me a very

867
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: strong endorsement.

868
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: Right now here we are. Yeah, I'm like, you.

869
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Just admitted that you are the swamp right and so,

870
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: and he brags about, oh, Sheldon Aedelson gave me a

871
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: strong endorsement back in twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. That

872
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: means one hundred million dollars in both races, right, So

873
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: he said, so I moved the embassy for you just

874
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: admitted that you gave us foreign policy to a donor.

875
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: And he's now done that with Miriam Adolson. You know,

876
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: he's saying, oh, yeah, I'll start any war Israel wants,

877
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: because Miriam gave me one hundred and thirty seven million

878
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: dollars on TikTok. He was even more brazen. He was like,

879
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: I was against TikTok, try to get a band, but

880
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Yas give me a strong.

881
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: Endorsement Crypto the same deal.

882
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now I'm for TikTok. Right. So he

883
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: admits his corruption in spectacular fashion. It's unbelievable. Would I

884
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: allow Elon Musk, in an ideal world to basically have

885
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: power over at least half the government just because he's

886
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: one of the top donors to Donald Trump? No, I

887
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: don't want billionaire donors in charge of the government, right,

888
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: So that is clear and obvious. And I hope one

889
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: day right wing populace finally realize, oh, maybe billionaire donors

890
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: aren't our friends, maybe that they're ringing the rules not

891
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: to our benefit but to their benefit. Right, So I

892
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: understand and stipulate to all that. But nevertheless, Trump won,

893
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: and here's Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami. Who are going

894
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: to be in charge of this Yeah, who are going

895
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: to be in charge of this department? Whatever the hell

896
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: this department is, which is really the whole government, right, right?

897
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: And so I say half the government, but it's not,

898
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: it's the whole government. And so how do I make

899
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the best of it? Well, we've always wanted to cut

900
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, right, So if they're looking to make cuts,

901
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: I suggest the idea of cutting the Pentagon. Now, normally

902
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: that's where it would end, especially with if I said

903
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: that to Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, they'd be like, get

904
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: out of here, you loser, online media populous losers.

905
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: No way, right, Biden doesn't know how to log into Twitter.

906
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so they'd be like, no way. They'd go

907
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: and you know, give a general a handy, that's you know,

908
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: and be like, oh no, don't don't worry, don't worry.

909
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's here to protect you. Right, and so would

910
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's. So would every dirt bag Republican. Right. So,

911
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: but here Elon Musk and Donald Trump Junior said maybe

912
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we do that, right, maybe we do. Then

913
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I suggested a conflict of interest rule where the generals

914
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: can't be go work for defense contractors afterwards. Right, And

915
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: why did Elon This is the important part I'm trying

916
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: to get through to you. Yeah, why did Elon and

917
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior go all right, Jank ada boy? Not

918
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: a thing they would normally say.

919
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: Because they like saying even lefty Jank Huger no agrees

920
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 2: the Department of Government efficiency. That's why.

921
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: And so Crystal, I totally get that, Yeah, and I

922
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: understand that that's part of their motivation. Yeah, But the

923
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: main motivation was not that the main motivation is because

924
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: on X they could see all of their base going yes, yes, yes, yes,

925
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: yes yes.

926
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: Because they're based Also like even Jank, you Lefty Jank

927
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: Huger is on board with the Department Government efficiency, Like

928
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: I understand where I'm coming from. I understand where Bernie's

929
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: coming from. Of like, listen, this is the world and

930
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: we have to deal with it, and we're going to

931
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: get what we can get. If you're talking about elective

932
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: representative I am one hundred percent on board with all

933
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: of that. With this specific project, I think it's dangerous

934
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: to normal normalize giving billionaires this level of control over

935
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: the government. And you're, you know, your willingness to engage

936
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: with it, which again I understand where you're coming from.

937
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: I'm not saying like you're bad or evil or like

938
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: whatever for doing it, but I think this level of

939
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: engagement gives this project of total billionaire control over the

940
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: federal government a sense of bipartisan legitimacy and creates the

941
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: appearance that genuinely beneficial things are going to come out

942
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: of it, when I do not think that genuinely beneficial

943
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: things are going to come out of it overall, even

944
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: if there are things that they cut that you and

945
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: I both be like, Okay, that's fine that they cut that,

946
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: because look, Elon Musk, he is himself one of the

947
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: largest Pentagon contractors. He has all of these massive conflicts

948
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: of interest. This is a project, like any normal like

949
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Koch Brothers type right wing project, to strip the capability

950
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: of the government so it's less able to regulate and

951
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: constrain Robert barons like Elon Musk or any other of

952
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: the billionaire class that has rigged the economy. And so

953
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: that's why, in this specific instance, I think it's more

954
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: important to just oppose the project outright and try to

955
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: explain to people why this is a really perditious development

956
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: in our nation's history, versus giving it some credibility by

957
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: being like, oh, look, they might do some good things

958
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: and they might work with me on this or that proposal.

959
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: So totally agree, totally disagree, Okay, the part I agree

960
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: on is, yeah, it's a pernacious project. I don't want

961
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: to validate billionaires running the government, donors running the government.

962
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: That was the problem with the establishment in the first place. Yeah, right,

963
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: And yes, Elon Musk has enormous conflicts of interest, not

964
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: just with the Pentagon. He wants to get rid of

965
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Why because they're the cops.

966
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: On Wall Street and the NLRB.

967
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: And why do they want to get rid of that

968
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: because it serves as billionaire interests. Right. So I'm trying

969
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: to I hope to god. I know it's a tough,

970
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: tough task. Yeah, but get the right wing populace to

971
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: realize he's another donor. Wake up, wake up, he's a

972
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: donor and he wants to get rid of the cops

973
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: that are regulating him, right, and so he wants.

974
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 2: To defund the police, just the white collar police.

975
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: That's literally the analogy I use. He wants to defund

976
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: the police on Wall Street, right, and so so and

977
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: then some people online thinking, oh, jag, are you going

978
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: to call them out on the Consumer Financial Protection Buah?

979
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: Of course, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau saves twenty dollars for

980
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: every dollar we spend on it. They get back twenty

981
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: billion dollars for every one billion we spend. But not

982
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: only that, the twenty billion is money that the bankers

983
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: stole from us, right, And they admit that they stolen,

984
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: and that's why they pay those fines et cetera. So

985
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: it's actually the best part of the government. I agree

986
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: with all of that, but they are in charge. We

987
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: did lose, so like on immigration, I agree with you,

988
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: they're going to do some awful things on immigration that

989
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't agree with.

990
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the.

991
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Voters did kind of vote for that, Okay, and we

992
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: have to be cognizant of them. Right, But the voters

993
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: didn't want vote for a giant war in the Middle East.

994
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: They didn't. They voted against that, not for that, right,

995
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: The voters did vote against corruption at large. Yeah, maybe

996
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: they got misdirected by Trump, right, but they still hate

997
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: corruption at their core. So if you can make them

998
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: see the corruption now in the midst of all of that. Though,

999
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: if you say me, Rocanna and Bernie Sanders shouldn't legitimize

1000
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: this and instead should go, hey, you know what, cut

1001
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Medicare and Medicaid first, don't worry about the Pentagon, don't

1002
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: worry about the conflicts of interest, don't worrybout cutting the Pentagon.

1003
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: Cut the best parts of the budget first. No.

1004
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: No, I guess where you and I disagree is I

1005
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: just do not believe that they actually are serious about

1006
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: like any positive intel, like I don't believe they're going

1007
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: to cut the Pentagon, period, and so that I think

1008
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: that maybe partly why come down in a different place.

1009
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: But also my position really is that with this particular project,

1010
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: because it is so pernicious to just give carte blanche

1011
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: to a group of billionaires with massive conflicts of interest,

1012
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: like some of the largest conflicts of interests you can imagine,

1013
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: I think to me, the most important approach to that

1014
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: is just to oppose it. But I understand where you're going.

1015
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: I get where you're coming from.

1016
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Toy, and I want to address something to those Yes,

1017
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: can I sure this is my camera here? Okay? Yeah?

1018
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: So right wing populous, it is now your job to

1019
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: prove Chris wrong.

1020
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: Go out and do it, y'all.

1021
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: So she doesn't believe you. And by the way, almost

1022
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: no one on the left other than me and Anna

1023
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: believe you guys that you actually want to cut the

1024
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: Pentagon and that you could pressure Elon Musk and Donald

1025
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: Trump to cut the Pentagon. So are you going to

1026
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: prove the left wrong? Or are you going to prove

1027
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: them spectacularly? Right? Am? I gonna have to come on

1028
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: here and apologize to Crystal forever believing in any right

1029
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: wing populist and say, oh, I was a sucker. Those

1030
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: guys are liars. They all they want to do was

1031
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: increase the Pentagon, have more wars, more corruption, and they

1032
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: never held Trump accountable. We waited four long years for

1033
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: them to hold them accountable, and all they did was

1034
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: kiss his ass and show that they don't really believe

1035
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: in freedom. They said all this stuff about freedom, but

1036
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: they never meant it. They said all this stuff about

1037
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: drain the swamp, but they never meant it. They said

1038
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: all this anti war stuff, but they never meant it.

1039
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back on here in one year, two years,

1040
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: four years, and we're gonna keep doing a check. So

1041
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: if right wing populists are frauds, I'm gonna say, Crystal,

1042
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: you were right. There were frauds all along. Okay, let

1043
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: me but I don't think so. I think they are.

1044
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: Saying, let me just say we we already have some examples,

1045
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: so I'll give you one and then we can we

1046
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: can wrap things. I'll give you the final word and

1047
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: we can wrap things up here. But you know, r

1048
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: K Junior put in at HHS or nominated to be

1049
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: put in at HHS, talking a big game about getting

1050
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: bad stuff out of the food system. Migree you agree

1051
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: with that, you know, taking on big Ag et cetera.

1052
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Trump just put in at the FDA for the USDA,

1053
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: and at the f DA the A Brooke Rawlins, who

1054
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: is a total like corporate you know, big egg shall

1055
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: be ag secretary, Big AG shill. Now RFK had come

1056
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: with a list of like, here's who I want to

1057
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: help me in my project, and he's like, now I'm

1058
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: gonna go with the lady who's going to be friendly

1059
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: to like big ag interest. Have you heard a word?

1060
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: Have you heard our K Junior come out? Have you

1061
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: heard any of his followers come out and be like,

1062
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: oh my god, like they're going back on Maha already.

1063
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I am highly skeptical that you're

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Speaker 2: going to see any level of like expectant, like consistent

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Speaker 2: adherence to principle and holding of account of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: because I just have never never seen that before. I remember,

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Speaker 2: in the before he ran in twenty sixty, he said

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Speaker 2: he was going to give everybody health care and then

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Speaker 2: he didn't, and everyone was just like, yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: So I just I see no indication that it will

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Speaker 2: be at all different this time around, and I see

1073
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Speaker 2: a lot of indications that will actually be worse because

1074
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Speaker 2: he will be more unchained and given more freedom to

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Speaker 2: pursue his absolute worst and most authoritarian instincts thanks to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's decision. And you know, the effort that

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Speaker 2: was engaged in in the off season to get the

1078
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Speaker 2: most ideological sickophants put into positions of power and to

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Speaker 2: bring everybody to heal.

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Speaker 1: This time around, yeah, I see the same indication as

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Speaker 1: you do of the bad impulses. Yeah, but I see

1082
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: an indication of good impulses from the right wing voters

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Speaker 1: that you do not see. So, for example, on Team Israel,

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Speaker 1: Rubio stuff, like, I just think they're you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they're busy, and they've decided to trust this guy,

1086
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: and they're just gonna trust this guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'm saying. I think you're wrong. What

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00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: I have seen is they don't like Team Israel because

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Speaker 1: Team Israel is team war, team Neocon, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: That's just not what the polling se So most Republicans

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00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: are Team Israel.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Republican base, we're going to find out.

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00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: If you look at the polling Democrats overwhelmingly were in

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Speaker 2: favor of a ceasefire and in favor of an arms embargo.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are, I think, in favor of a ceaspire, but

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: they are not in favor of an arms embargo. They

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Speaker 2: are much more favorable as a group, there are some exceptions,

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Speaker 2: but as a group towards Israel. And so I'm anyway,

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Speaker 2: I you know, I don't want to belabor that point

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Speaker 2: in particular because I know you're making a broader point

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Speaker 2: about a variety of issues.

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Speaker 1: And on besent the Treasury Secretary, I've seen pushback on that.

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Speaker 1: I've seen pushback on some candidate, on some nominees that

1104
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen among Republicans before. So you know, maybe

1105
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: that pushback is a mirage and so, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: expecting it right out of the gate. Don't get me wrong.

1107
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Speaker 1: I'm not expecting right wing populist to rise up and

1108
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: go cash. Betel's a lunatic and we're not. Yeah, they

1109
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: love him, Yeah, I get it. I get that. So

1110
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Speaker 1: those are the bad impulses, I see it. I'm not

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00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: unaware of it. But I'm also seeing actual anti corruption,

1112
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: anti war impulses, and I would rather feed those good

1113
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: impulses than to say we hate you all. I never

1114
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: want to talk to you guys. I don't trust you

1115
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: and I think you're only going to do evil in

1116
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the world. I don't think that's productive. I just want

1117
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: to I don't think it's true.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, just to make it really clear,

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00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: when I'm being critical, I'm being critical of the elites,

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Speaker 2: the Trump's, the Elon Musk, the vag Ramaswami's. This is

1121
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: not meant to slime you know, everybody who voted for

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00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: And that's something I've really tried to be consistent about

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00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: throughout the Trump era. And you know something Sober and

1124
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: I have really tried to engage with. I'm just you know,

1125
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Speaker 2: I think what we've seen in the past is likely

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Speaker 2: to be what we see in the future.

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Speaker 1: So let's see if the right wing bros, the right

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Speaker 1: wing populist, the you know, the rogans of the world,

1129
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Speaker 1: if they have any integrity at all. We're going to

1130
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Speaker 1: find out, right and are they going to hold Trump

1131
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: accountable or are you right and the rest of the

1132
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: left right that they're not going to hold them accountable

1133
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Speaker 1: at all, and they're going to let him be a

1134
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Speaker 1: runaway freight.

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Speaker 2: Rogan is supposedly going to go do some shows in

1136
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Speaker 2: mar A Lago. So we'll see if he asks any

1137
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Speaker 2: challenging questions the principles there so, but we may find

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Speaker 2: out pretty quickly or jank.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So last thing I'll say on the Democrats. Yes,

1140
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: so you're right, the establishment is going to strike back. Right.

1141
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: So if there's one takeaway from this, it's not from

1142
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: this whole conversation, it's not about Trump, it's not about

1143
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: the right wing populace. It's that for Democrats, do not

1144
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: let your guard down. They're going to bring back Avenusom

1145
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: and Pete Blutagig and all the corporate robots. Absolutely, okay,

1146
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: we need the only thing that could defeat right wing

1147
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 1: populism is left wing populism, okay. Or we joined forces

1148
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: on some issues, great, wonderful, right, But if you go

1149
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: back to the establishment route, that is a dead end.

1150
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: It has no forget whether you're progressive or you're more

1151
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: conservative Democrat or more corporate demographer, forget. Put that aside.

1152
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: They have no chance of winning. It's over. It's over.

1153
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: They're going to run into that brick wall one hundred times.

1154
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: The Scarborough and the viewer going to lie to you

1155
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: every time. Oh, you got to pick the corporate guy.

1156
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: The corporate guy is the one who's the only one

1157
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: who can win, right, Do not let them lie to

1158
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: you in that twenty twenty eight primary. It is imperative

1159
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: that we pick a populous left winger in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise we have no chance of retaking the White House.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and not even just no chance of retaking

1162
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: the White House, but no chance of really delivering for people.

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Speaker 2: And ultimately, I don't give a shit whether the Democratic

1164
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Speaker 2: Party wins or loses. That's you know. I think what

1165
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: you and I where we find common ground is I

1166
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: actually want to make life easier and better for people

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Speaker 2: in this country. So Jank, love you brother. Always great

1168
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 2: to see you. Glad to see you in town here,

1169
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Speaker 2: although I do feel bad for you. What is LA

1170
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: is probably like in the seventies right now? As fucking

1171
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: cold as hell here right now, So I don't know

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Speaker 2: what you're thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Florida next to do Patrick Bedday. All right,

1174
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: all right there, I'm going to get I'm going to

1175
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Speaker 1: relax for two days before heading back to LA. But

1176
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Speaker 1: it's freezing out here, but I'm warmed by our conversation

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Speaker 1: and the love industry.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you Jank, and thank you guys so

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Speaker 2: much for watching, and I will see you. Counterpoints will

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Speaker 2: be in tomorrow and we'll see you back here on Thursday.