1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,315 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I 2 00:00:21,515 --> 00:00:28,315 Speaker 1: think Trump is quietly threatening the Supreme Court. I think 3 00:00:28,395 --> 00:00:32,315 Speaker 1: he is sending out messages by a surrogates, passive aggressive 4 00:00:32,395 --> 00:00:36,275 Speaker 1: messages now, presumably with the option to revert to his 5 00:00:36,395 --> 00:00:40,835 Speaker 1: normal tone of stochastic terrorism later. And the message is 6 00:00:40,955 --> 00:00:43,995 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court had better decide the presidential immunity case 7 00:00:44,315 --> 00:00:48,915 Speaker 1: and the Fourteenth Amendment disqualification cases in his favor or else. 8 00:00:49,995 --> 00:00:53,755 Speaker 1: The first time I thought this, then dismissed it as 9 00:00:54,075 --> 00:00:58,835 Speaker 1: paranoia on my part, and told myself that even Trump 10 00:00:58,915 --> 00:01:02,475 Speaker 1: would not be reckless and self destructive and insane enough 11 00:01:02,475 --> 00:01:07,635 Speaker 1: to try to bully the Supreme Court in some public manner, 12 00:01:08,075 --> 00:01:12,515 Speaker 1: passive aggressive or otherwise. Besides which it was just an 13 00:01:12,555 --> 00:01:16,835 Speaker 1: inference on my part. It couldn't be true. Now it's 14 00:01:16,835 --> 00:01:20,275 Speaker 1: happened again, and I realized that something else that I 15 00:01:20,355 --> 00:01:23,155 Speaker 1: did not even recognize at the time could contain the 16 00:01:23,195 --> 00:01:27,035 Speaker 1: exact same, subtle hint to Alito and Roberts and Thomas, 17 00:01:27,235 --> 00:01:33,315 Speaker 1: but especially to Trump's appointees Gorsch and Kavanaugh and handmade 18 00:01:33,435 --> 00:01:37,555 Speaker 1: Lady enough of the process. The first piece of evidence 19 00:01:37,915 --> 00:01:42,075 Speaker 1: I mentioned it yesterday Maggie Haberman, legacy media pipeline to 20 00:01:42,395 --> 00:01:46,035 Speaker 1: and from Trump, goes on CNN over the holiday last 21 00:01:46,115 --> 00:01:50,035 Speaker 1: Friday and says, Trump quote has voiced some concern that 22 00:01:50,075 --> 00:01:53,675 Speaker 1: a court that he appointed three of the justices. He 23 00:01:53,795 --> 00:01:55,995 Speaker 1: is concerned that they are going to look as if 24 00:01:55,995 --> 00:01:59,195 Speaker 1: they are trying not to rule in his favor and 25 00:01:59,435 --> 00:02:05,755 Speaker 1: might rule against him. I thought this was semi lucid 26 00:02:06,435 --> 00:02:13,395 Speaker 1: and sort of legit by Trump. That'll teach me. Yesterday afternoon, 27 00:02:13,435 --> 00:02:17,275 Speaker 1: on one of the hours Fox pretends is non opinion news, 28 00:02:17,675 --> 00:02:22,635 Speaker 1: Martha McCallum played the clip of Maggie Haberman saying that 29 00:02:22,875 --> 00:02:27,395 Speaker 1: on CNN and turns to Trump's parking lot law scholar 30 00:02:27,435 --> 00:02:33,355 Speaker 1: Alena Habba and asks her nothing. She simply plays the 31 00:02:33,395 --> 00:02:35,755 Speaker 1: clip and then says to Haba, what do you say 32 00:02:35,755 --> 00:02:39,435 Speaker 1: about that? Elena, and the phrasing of that question alone 33 00:02:39,515 --> 00:02:43,235 Speaker 1: says this is one of those appearances in which Trump's 34 00:02:43,235 --> 00:02:47,435 Speaker 1: people have demanded to be put on Fox to make 35 00:02:47,595 --> 00:02:50,555 Speaker 1: a statement, and Habba. 36 00:02:50,395 --> 00:02:53,035 Speaker 2: Says, yeah, that's a concern that he voiced to me 37 00:02:53,635 --> 00:02:56,635 Speaker 2: his voice to everybody publicly, not privately. 38 00:02:56,875 --> 00:02:59,635 Speaker 1: By the way, a lawyer is not supposed to reveal 39 00:03:00,115 --> 00:03:03,595 Speaker 1: those conversations with her client, not about an active case. 40 00:03:04,475 --> 00:03:09,035 Speaker 1: That's not what habit was on Fox four. She was 41 00:03:09,115 --> 00:03:12,635 Speaker 1: there to spell out a message to an audience not 42 00:03:12,715 --> 00:03:17,435 Speaker 1: of one, but of three, three who wear robes. 43 00:03:17,955 --> 00:03:20,835 Speaker 2: I can tell you that his concern is a valid one. 44 00:03:21,035 --> 00:03:26,195 Speaker 2: You know, Republicans are conservative. They get nervous. They unfortunately 45 00:03:26,355 --> 00:03:31,155 Speaker 2: are sometimes shy away from being pro Trump because they 46 00:03:31,195 --> 00:03:35,835 Speaker 2: feel that even if the laws on our side they swayed, 47 00:03:36,075 --> 00:03:39,715 Speaker 2: much like the Democratic side, right, So they're trying so 48 00:03:39,755 --> 00:03:42,035 Speaker 2: hard to look neutral that sometimes they make the wrong call. 49 00:03:42,915 --> 00:03:44,995 Speaker 2: And I just encourage them to really look at the 50 00:03:45,035 --> 00:03:48,275 Speaker 2: law in the Constitution. It's a very clean cut Martha. 51 00:03:47,595 --> 00:03:50,795 Speaker 2: There's no politics that should be involved in this. It's 52 00:03:50,835 --> 00:03:51,915 Speaker 2: just simply American. 53 00:03:52,235 --> 00:03:57,555 Speaker 1: Wait, she's talking about Republicans and Democrats getting swayed, and 54 00:03:57,595 --> 00:04:02,915 Speaker 1: then suddenly the Republicans turn out to be justices on 55 00:04:02,955 --> 00:04:06,555 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and they and she reminds them politics 56 00:04:06,715 --> 00:04:10,675 Speaker 1: shouldn't enter into this and that the only American verdict 57 00:04:10,835 --> 00:04:16,955 Speaker 1: is pro Trump. Then comes the dnumont in, which she 58 00:04:17,115 --> 00:04:21,315 Speaker 1: might as well be saying, Neil Brett Amy, the Boss 59 00:04:21,355 --> 00:04:22,395 Speaker 1: has a message for you. 60 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:25,315 Speaker 2: If the justices read the law as I do, as 61 00:04:25,435 --> 00:04:29,795 Speaker 2: most Americans and attorneys do, even Dershowitz, who's known liberal. 62 00:04:30,915 --> 00:04:33,155 Speaker 2: It's just a simple decision, and it should have nothing 63 00:04:33,195 --> 00:04:35,155 Speaker 2: to do with if you're a Republican or a Democrat. 64 00:04:35,355 --> 00:04:38,275 Speaker 1: There is no valid reason to say any of that 65 00:04:39,155 --> 00:04:41,915 Speaker 1: about two cases that will be decided by the Supreme 66 00:04:41,955 --> 00:04:45,795 Speaker 1: Court soon or late, unless you are trying to influence 67 00:04:45,995 --> 00:04:49,475 Speaker 1: the justices of the Supreme Court and accusing them of, 68 00:04:50,155 --> 00:04:54,875 Speaker 1: as Habit phrased, it, trying so hard to look neutral 69 00:04:55,475 --> 00:05:00,995 Speaker 1: that sometimes they make the wrong call. That spoken in 70 00:05:01,115 --> 00:05:05,995 Speaker 1: milk toast terms by a lightweight idiot is a threat, 71 00:05:06,715 --> 00:05:12,155 Speaker 1: low key, superficially benign, but a threat nonetheless against the 72 00:05:12,195 --> 00:05:16,995 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Ohwen, then, as always, Trump and or his 73 00:05:17,075 --> 00:05:19,955 Speaker 1: people say one thing too many and give away the 74 00:05:20,155 --> 00:05:24,755 Speaker 1: entire game. This PostScript from Alina Haba after all of that, 75 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:28,995 Speaker 1: confirming that they first leaked this to Maggie Haberman to 76 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:31,995 Speaker 1: make sure that justices heard this threat no matter which 77 00:05:32,115 --> 00:05:33,195 Speaker 1: news they watch. 78 00:05:33,555 --> 00:05:35,955 Speaker 2: What's Maggie. I'm a friend. I'm a friend of Maggie's, 79 00:05:36,195 --> 00:05:38,035 Speaker 2: even though we're on different sides of the coin. But 80 00:05:38,155 --> 00:05:41,595 Speaker 2: she's right. The President's always concerned about people worrying about that. 81 00:05:42,035 --> 00:05:48,115 Speaker 1: Okay, Maggie Haberman and Alina Haba are friends. So after 82 00:05:48,195 --> 00:05:50,515 Speaker 1: all of that from Habba, if you're also wondering who 83 00:05:50,835 --> 00:05:54,755 Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman's source is inside trump Land, one of them. 84 00:05:55,195 --> 00:05:58,075 Speaker 1: Trump talks to her, then insults her, then threatens her, 85 00:05:58,155 --> 00:06:03,435 Speaker 1: then talks to her again, always has, always will. Maggie 86 00:06:03,435 --> 00:06:08,035 Speaker 1: Haberman's source is Alinea Haba, Trump's Parking Lot law scholar. 87 00:06:09,635 --> 00:06:12,875 Speaker 1: But I said there had been three examples now of 88 00:06:12,875 --> 00:06:17,315 Speaker 1: Trump putting the threat out gently for now, to Justice 89 00:06:17,315 --> 00:06:22,795 Speaker 1: Gorsic and Justice beer Bong and Justice Handmade. And frankly, 90 00:06:22,875 --> 00:06:26,395 Speaker 1: I was so startled by the admission of possible guilt 91 00:06:27,115 --> 00:06:30,635 Speaker 1: from the other lawyer, Trump's legal scholar from the twenty 92 00:06:30,675 --> 00:06:35,715 Speaker 1: third worst law school in America, that I missed Christina 93 00:06:35,795 --> 00:06:37,515 Speaker 1: Bob's subtext here. 94 00:06:37,435 --> 00:06:39,915 Speaker 2: President is elected by the entire nation, and it should 95 00:06:39,955 --> 00:06:42,955 Speaker 2: be the entire nation who determines who they want for president, 96 00:06:43,315 --> 00:06:45,515 Speaker 2: whether they're guilty of insurrection or not. It's up to 97 00:06:45,555 --> 00:06:45,955 Speaker 2: the people. 98 00:06:46,355 --> 00:06:50,435 Speaker 1: If Lena Habba is saying to Justice Plagiarist and Justice 99 00:06:50,515 --> 00:06:53,955 Speaker 1: bier Bong and Justice Handmade, hey, you better rule for 100 00:06:53,995 --> 00:06:57,035 Speaker 1: Trump because politics can't enter into this and buy politics. 101 00:06:57,035 --> 00:07:01,075 Speaker 1: We mean anybody who is not pro Trump. And if 102 00:07:01,075 --> 00:07:03,875 Speaker 1: this isn't clear enough yet, he'll just go on social 103 00:07:03,955 --> 00:07:06,435 Speaker 1: media and said you'll get what he gave Judge Engern 104 00:07:06,515 --> 00:07:09,875 Speaker 1: and Judge Chutkin. If that's what Alina Habba is saying, 105 00:07:10,955 --> 00:07:15,955 Speaker 1: what Christina Bob is saying is sure, go ahead, Supreme Court, 106 00:07:16,555 --> 00:07:21,115 Speaker 1: try to rule against Trump and then try to enforce it, 107 00:07:21,755 --> 00:07:26,635 Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't matter 108 00:07:26,675 --> 00:07:32,155 Speaker 1: what the law says. The people are with us, and 109 00:07:32,235 --> 00:07:36,315 Speaker 1: they will get what they want. And the implication there 110 00:07:36,395 --> 00:07:38,315 Speaker 1: is they will get what they want because we fix 111 00:07:38,435 --> 00:07:40,875 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. But if the Supreme Court does not 112 00:07:40,995 --> 00:07:44,675 Speaker 1: stay fixed, we can always resort to the threat of violence. 113 00:07:44,955 --> 00:07:49,995 Speaker 1: It's what we do. And when we actually finally go 114 00:07:50,435 --> 00:07:53,635 Speaker 1: whole hog on political violence in this country, as we 115 00:07:53,755 --> 00:07:57,835 Speaker 1: inevitably will, because this election is literally life or death 116 00:07:57,955 --> 00:08:01,595 Speaker 1: for Trump, it will look so much better for Trump 117 00:08:01,635 --> 00:08:05,755 Speaker 1: if the first violence is against Republicans who tried to 118 00:08:05,755 --> 00:08:11,235 Speaker 1: stop Trump, or as Habba put it, they're trying so 119 00:08:11,315 --> 00:08:16,955 Speaker 1: hard to look neutral that sometimes they make the wrong call. 120 00:08:17,035 --> 00:08:19,955 Speaker 1: I just encouraged them to really look at the law 121 00:08:20,035 --> 00:08:23,875 Speaker 1: and the constitution. It's very clean cut. There's no politics 122 00:08:24,115 --> 00:08:32,955 Speaker 1: that should be involved in this. It's simply American criticizing 123 00:08:33,715 --> 00:08:38,155 Speaker 1: justices of the Supreme Court for trying so hard to 124 00:08:38,315 --> 00:08:47,195 Speaker 1: look neutral. That is a threat. These are threats. These 125 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:50,995 Speaker 1: are threats against sitting justices on the Supreme Court of 126 00:08:51,035 --> 00:08:54,075 Speaker 1: the United States of America. And I don't care who 127 00:08:54,075 --> 00:08:56,715 Speaker 1: they are, and I don't care how they got there. 128 00:08:58,755 --> 00:09:01,835 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, the threats so blithely delivered 129 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:07,435 Speaker 1: by Habba that happened about three hours before other Trump lawyers, 130 00:09:07,435 --> 00:09:10,795 Speaker 1: including the laugh out loud, funny harm eat Dylan of 131 00:09:10,835 --> 00:09:16,435 Speaker 1: all people, formally appealed the Colorado disqualification to the Supreme Court. 132 00:09:17,275 --> 00:09:22,155 Speaker 1: Here's your warning and here's your case. And one would 133 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:25,915 Speaker 1: think that while Kavanaugh is too stupid to get all this, 134 00:09:26,155 --> 00:09:30,955 Speaker 1: but also too compromised to fight back Gorsch, who is 135 00:09:31,075 --> 00:09:36,435 Speaker 1: intelligent if corrupt, and Barrett, who is intelligent, albeit a 136 00:09:36,475 --> 00:09:39,915 Speaker 1: religious nut, they would realize that to cave to these 137 00:09:39,995 --> 00:09:44,715 Speaker 1: Trumpian threats, the velvet gloved ones now from Parking Lot lawyer, 138 00:09:45,915 --> 00:09:49,675 Speaker 1: or the chain mail gloved kind from Trump mobs later, 139 00:09:50,475 --> 00:09:55,075 Speaker 1: these Trumpian threats and giving into them can mean only 140 00:09:55,155 --> 00:10:02,875 Speaker 1: one thing. More threats a lifetime of threats, a country 141 00:10:03,515 --> 00:10:09,115 Speaker 1: of threats. It is harrowing stuff, even in the context 142 00:10:09,195 --> 00:10:13,195 Speaker 1: of the last three years or eight years, over the 143 00:10:13,235 --> 00:10:16,835 Speaker 1: forty years since Rush Limbaugh washed out of sports and 144 00:10:16,955 --> 00:10:20,755 Speaker 1: decided to take his revenge on American society. It is 145 00:10:20,915 --> 00:10:25,435 Speaker 1: harrowing stuff, especially when it is coded in the stupidity 146 00:10:25,515 --> 00:10:27,915 Speaker 1: of the language of what Don Henley called in his 147 00:10:27,995 --> 00:10:32,875 Speaker 1: classic song Dirty Laundry the bubble headed bleach blonde. But 148 00:10:32,995 --> 00:10:38,435 Speaker 1: it underscores how close we actually are to more focused 149 00:10:38,915 --> 00:10:44,595 Speaker 1: political violence in this country courtesy dementia Jay Trump. And 150 00:10:44,675 --> 00:10:49,235 Speaker 1: you think Supreme Court justices can't be bullied, not two 151 00:10:49,315 --> 00:10:52,995 Speaker 1: years since Alito had the draft of the overturning of 152 00:10:53,115 --> 00:10:56,475 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade leaked in order to blow up the 153 00:10:56,555 --> 00:11:00,355 Speaker 1: Roberts negotiations with Kavanaugh and Barrett for a gentler ruling. 154 00:11:01,075 --> 00:11:04,075 Speaker 1: And you think the Supreme Court justices are not being 155 00:11:04,155 --> 00:11:11,275 Speaker 1: bullied now, They just have not been bullied with violence yet. 156 00:11:15,435 --> 00:11:19,875 Speaker 1: So the much anticipated Biden campaign pivot on Trump, if 157 00:11:19,915 --> 00:11:24,035 Speaker 1: not the colorfully coined full Hitler, then perhaps the high 158 00:11:24,035 --> 00:11:29,035 Speaker 1: percentage Hitler turns out. It starts Saturday. The President will 159 00:11:29,035 --> 00:11:32,715 Speaker 1: give a speech near Valley Forge Saturday, there, the President 160 00:11:32,715 --> 00:11:35,875 Speaker 1: will make the case directly that democracy and freedom, says 161 00:11:35,915 --> 00:11:40,115 Speaker 1: Deputy campaign manager Quentin Folks, two powerful ideas that united 162 00:11:40,155 --> 00:11:43,635 Speaker 1: the Thirteen Colonies, and that generations throughout our nation's history 163 00:11:43,635 --> 00:11:46,435 Speaker 1: have fought and died for a stone's throw from where 164 00:11:46,435 --> 00:11:50,595 Speaker 1: he'll be Saturday, remains central to the fight we're in today. 165 00:11:51,035 --> 00:11:55,795 Speaker 1: Quote the fight we're in today. Well, if Trump wins, 166 00:11:55,875 --> 00:11:59,595 Speaker 1: per Comm's director Michael Tyler, he quotes, will use all 167 00:11:59,675 --> 00:12:04,915 Speaker 1: of his power to systematically dismantle and destroy our democracy. 168 00:12:05,235 --> 00:12:09,075 Speaker 1: You bet your ass. I like the language, But where's 169 00:12:09,115 --> 00:12:12,875 Speaker 1: the either or where's the daisy ad? Where's the you 170 00:12:13,075 --> 00:12:16,915 Speaker 1: are voting on this? Oh? Here it is, campaign manager 171 00:12:16,995 --> 00:12:20,675 Speaker 1: Julie Chavez Rodriguez. Our message is clear and it is simple. 172 00:12:20,915 --> 00:12:23,395 Speaker 1: We are running a campaign like the fate of our 173 00:12:23,395 --> 00:12:31,595 Speaker 1: democracy depends on it, because it does. With a tip 174 00:12:31,675 --> 00:12:34,955 Speaker 1: of the hat to the Times, pitch pot waiting for 175 00:12:34,995 --> 00:12:37,755 Speaker 1: the New York Times take on this. The fate of 176 00:12:37,795 --> 00:12:41,035 Speaker 1: our democracy depends on the twenty twenty four election. Here's 177 00:12:41,075 --> 00:12:45,555 Speaker 1: why that's bad news for Joe Biden. I wonder if 178 00:12:45,595 --> 00:12:52,395 Speaker 1: Trump knows what Valley Forge is? Oh, right, right, he 179 00:12:52,475 --> 00:12:56,035 Speaker 1: knows one of those airports we seized during the Revolutionary War. 180 00:12:57,315 --> 00:13:04,915 Speaker 1: Saturday Valley Forge, be there, Aloha, you know what Saturday 181 00:13:05,075 --> 00:13:17,875 Speaker 1: is right? Saturday is January sixth. Also of interest, here 182 00:13:17,915 --> 00:13:19,915 Speaker 1: have I ever told you the story about the day 183 00:13:19,955 --> 00:13:22,795 Speaker 1: that then Senator Joe Biden took me to lunch to 184 00:13:22,795 --> 00:13:25,275 Speaker 1: ask my advice on how when he spoke in public 185 00:13:25,515 --> 00:13:29,835 Speaker 1: he could seem less angry. Well, I'm going to tell 186 00:13:29,835 --> 00:13:33,475 Speaker 1: it to you again with an important update. Plus, are 187 00:13:33,475 --> 00:13:37,715 Speaker 1: you worried about Congress? Well, here's the problem right here, 188 00:13:38,315 --> 00:13:42,515 Speaker 1: c SPAN promoting its live coverage of quote US House 189 00:13:43,195 --> 00:13:49,795 Speaker 1: end of fist session of one hundred and eighty eighth Congress, 190 00:13:51,675 --> 00:13:56,315 Speaker 1: your tax dollars in action. That's next. This is Countdown. 191 00:13:57,675 --> 00:14:00,755 Speaker 1: This is Countdown with Keith Oberman. 192 00:14:12,795 --> 00:14:19,035 Speaker 3: This is Sports Center. Wait, check that not anymore. This 193 00:14:20,035 --> 00:14:27,475 Speaker 3: is Countdown with Keith Alberman in Sports Dateline, Bristol, Connecticut. 194 00:14:30,155 --> 00:14:33,515 Speaker 1: Oh. Bit of a conundrum at the worldwide leader as 195 00:14:33,595 --> 00:14:36,715 Speaker 1: New York Jets quarterback All right now, you'd have to say, 196 00:14:37,115 --> 00:14:40,635 Speaker 1: former New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers and the new 197 00:14:40,915 --> 00:14:45,115 Speaker 1: ESPN centerpiece Pat McAfee have combined to get their fellow 198 00:14:45,195 --> 00:14:48,795 Speaker 1: Disney star Jimmy Kimmel mad enough to threaten to sue them. 199 00:14:49,115 --> 00:14:52,515 Speaker 1: Kimmel did not say anything about also suing his own employer. 200 00:14:53,195 --> 00:14:58,755 Speaker 1: Trust me, this is contraindicated. Then again, ESPN and Rogers 201 00:14:58,835 --> 00:15:03,435 Speaker 1: and McAfee have yet to retract or even apologize for 202 00:15:03,915 --> 00:15:07,275 Speaker 1: what Rogers said on McAfee's show about Kimmel and the 203 00:15:07,355 --> 00:15:11,355 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein list, Quoting Rogers, there's a lot of people, 204 00:15:11,435 --> 00:15:15,515 Speaker 1: including Jimmy Kimmel, really hoping that doesn't come out. I'll 205 00:15:15,595 --> 00:15:18,355 Speaker 1: tell you what, if that list comes out, I definitely 206 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:22,795 Speaker 1: will be popping some sort of bottle unquote, leaving aside 207 00:15:22,835 --> 00:15:26,195 Speaker 1: the easy jokes about Aaron Rodgers and what kind of bottle. 208 00:15:26,475 --> 00:15:31,355 Speaker 1: Within hours, Kimmel had tweeted a quote, dear asshole unquote 209 00:15:31,435 --> 00:15:36,075 Speaker 1: message to Rogers. For the record, I've not met, flown with, visited, 210 00:15:36,155 --> 00:15:39,595 Speaker 1: or had any contact whatsoever with Epstein, nor will you 211 00:15:39,715 --> 00:15:42,315 Speaker 1: find my name on any list other than the clearly 212 00:15:42,395 --> 00:15:47,275 Speaker 1: phony nonsense that soft brained wackos like yourself can't seem 213 00:15:47,275 --> 00:15:50,955 Speaker 1: to distinguish from reality unquote. And by the way, props 214 00:15:50,995 --> 00:15:55,595 Speaker 1: to Jimmy Kimmel for expressing concern about the increasing likelihood 215 00:15:55,835 --> 00:15:59,515 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers has some sort of post concussion issue. 216 00:15:59,595 --> 00:16:03,475 Speaker 1: To resume Kimmel's quote, your reckless words put my family 217 00:16:03,555 --> 00:16:05,755 Speaker 1: in danger. Keep it up and we will debate the 218 00:16:05,835 --> 00:16:12,915 Speaker 1: facts further in court. Unquote. Yesterday as fake images supposedly 219 00:16:12,955 --> 00:16:17,195 Speaker 1: from that list mentioning Kimmel were distributed on social media, 220 00:16:17,235 --> 00:16:21,235 Speaker 1: and they were fake yesterday, McAfee said only that quote. 221 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,835 Speaker 1: I can see exactly why Jimmy Kimmel felt the way 222 00:16:23,875 --> 00:16:27,355 Speaker 1: he felt, especially with his position, but I think Aaron 223 00:16:27,475 --> 00:16:31,275 Speaker 1: was just trying to talk shit un quote. McAfee then 224 00:16:31,315 --> 00:16:33,195 Speaker 1: tried to insist that as long as you were trying 225 00:16:33,195 --> 00:16:37,675 Speaker 1: to talk that it really couldn't be libel, slander or defamation. 226 00:16:38,155 --> 00:16:40,675 Speaker 1: He also seemed to imply Rogers would appear on the 227 00:16:40,715 --> 00:16:45,115 Speaker 1: show later to explain himself, which, naturally, as a cowardly person, 228 00:16:45,235 --> 00:16:49,275 Speaker 1: Rogers did not do. The story was complicated further when 229 00:16:49,275 --> 00:16:53,235 Speaker 1: the website Front Office Sports reported that Rogers, who McAfee 230 00:16:53,235 --> 00:16:56,275 Speaker 1: admits he pays for his appearances on his show, is 231 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:59,635 Speaker 1: not on some sort of ad hoc per appearance fee 232 00:16:59,715 --> 00:17:04,075 Speaker 1: basis as had been presumed, but rather has a contract 233 00:17:04,195 --> 00:17:08,675 Speaker 1: with macaffee show quote that would be tough to void unquote. 234 00:17:09,155 --> 00:17:12,555 Speaker 1: That raises a real problem because if Rogers has a 235 00:17:12,555 --> 00:17:17,875 Speaker 1: contract with McAfee and McAfee has a contract with ESPN, yeah, 236 00:17:17,955 --> 00:17:23,315 Speaker 1: probably legally, ESPN has a contract with Rogers. The business 237 00:17:23,315 --> 00:17:26,195 Speaker 1: of TV sports is shrinking, and there are lots of 238 00:17:26,235 --> 00:17:29,995 Speaker 1: things to do about that. Under previous management, ESPN once 239 00:17:30,035 --> 00:17:32,115 Speaker 1: thought that what to do about it was to make 240 00:17:32,155 --> 00:17:37,235 Speaker 1: a deal with the infamous juveniles at Barstool Sports. ESPN 241 00:17:37,315 --> 00:17:42,835 Speaker 1: fired them after one one in parentheses show. The problems 242 00:17:42,875 --> 00:17:45,595 Speaker 1: inherent with this guy McAfee, to say nothing of whatever 243 00:17:45,635 --> 00:17:49,275 Speaker 1: the hell is wrong with Aaron Rodgers are starkly evident. 244 00:17:49,355 --> 00:17:52,435 Speaker 1: Right at the moment, McAfee has no idea what he's 245 00:17:52,475 --> 00:17:56,515 Speaker 1: doing or what's ethical, or more importantly, what he can 246 00:17:56,595 --> 00:18:01,315 Speaker 1: and cannot get himself, and or ESPN sued over hate 247 00:18:01,355 --> 00:18:04,235 Speaker 1: to break it to you, Pat, but he was just 248 00:18:04,315 --> 00:18:09,355 Speaker 1: talking shit is not an acceptable legal defense. There is 249 00:18:09,555 --> 00:18:14,275 Speaker 1: one solution for ESPN, which is namely, cancel McAfee's show 250 00:18:14,755 --> 00:18:19,035 Speaker 1: today for cause, or just pay him off, get him 251 00:18:19,115 --> 00:18:22,595 Speaker 1: off your air, because the next crisis is going to 252 00:18:22,635 --> 00:18:25,875 Speaker 1: be worse whatever it is. And don't forget the Kimmel 253 00:18:25,915 --> 00:18:28,355 Speaker 1: crisis is not over with yet. I mean, I have 254 00:18:28,475 --> 00:18:31,275 Speaker 1: no idea if he has even thought of this. But 255 00:18:31,355 --> 00:18:33,955 Speaker 1: if I were Jimmy, my play would be to go 256 00:18:33,995 --> 00:18:37,635 Speaker 1: to Bob Iger, the chairman of Disney, and reenact the 257 00:18:37,795 --> 00:18:43,475 Speaker 1: Chick Hearn al Michaels saga from nineteen sixty seven. You 258 00:18:43,675 --> 00:18:46,915 Speaker 1: don't know the Chick Hern al Michael saga from nineteen 259 00:18:46,955 --> 00:18:52,795 Speaker 1: sixty seven. Well, Al Michaels was Chick Hearn's rookie sidekick 260 00:18:52,915 --> 00:18:58,115 Speaker 1: on Los Angeles Lakers basketball broadcasts. Four games into the 261 00:18:58,195 --> 00:19:02,995 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven sixty eight season, Chick had had enough. 262 00:19:03,595 --> 00:19:06,475 Speaker 1: The team was at l and ready to fly to 263 00:19:06,555 --> 00:19:09,195 Speaker 1: a road game in San Francisco. If I remember how 264 00:19:09,395 --> 00:19:11,875 Speaker 1: Chick used to tell it, and Chick hern walked up 265 00:19:11,915 --> 00:19:15,675 Speaker 1: to the Lakers general manager Fred Shausse and said, Freddie, Baby, 266 00:19:15,915 --> 00:19:18,075 Speaker 1: the plane leaves in half an hour. Either I'll be 267 00:19:18,235 --> 00:19:20,715 Speaker 1: on it or Al Michaels will be on it, but 268 00:19:20,995 --> 00:19:24,675 Speaker 1: not both of us. Your call, Baby, If you need 269 00:19:24,675 --> 00:19:27,515 Speaker 1: me to get on that plane, come find me. I'll 270 00:19:27,515 --> 00:19:32,315 Speaker 1: be in the bar. Michaels, Chick said, was fired somewhere 271 00:19:32,355 --> 00:19:35,995 Speaker 1: near the courtesy phone. Jimmy Kimmel is more valuable to 272 00:19:36,075 --> 00:19:39,955 Speaker 1: Disney than is Pat McAfee and Aaron Rodgers. Kimmel can 273 00:19:40,075 --> 00:19:41,955 Speaker 1: sue and you know what, I think he should, But 274 00:19:42,275 --> 00:19:44,595 Speaker 1: it would be much more fun for him to go 275 00:19:44,675 --> 00:19:47,395 Speaker 1: to Bob Iiger and say that either the Pat McAfee 276 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:51,075 Speaker 1: Show or Jimmy Kimmel Live will be on today, but 277 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:54,715 Speaker 1: not both, And for Jimmy to tell Iger if he 278 00:19:54,795 --> 00:19:58,275 Speaker 1: wants him to do Jimmy Kimmel Live, to come find 279 00:19:58,355 --> 00:20:45,235 Speaker 1: him in the bar. Thank you. Nancy Faust still to 280 00:20:45,235 --> 00:20:47,555 Speaker 1: come on an all new edition of Countdown the day 281 00:20:47,595 --> 00:20:50,635 Speaker 1: the future President of the United States asked me to 282 00:20:50,915 --> 00:20:55,755 Speaker 1: lunch to try to help him seem more righteously indignant 283 00:20:56,395 --> 00:21:00,275 Speaker 1: and less angry when he spoke in public my lunch 284 00:21:00,315 --> 00:21:03,115 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. The update in things I promised not 285 00:21:03,195 --> 00:21:05,795 Speaker 1: to tell, coming up first time for the daily roundup 286 00:21:05,835 --> 00:21:08,555 Speaker 1: of the miscrants, morons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who 287 00:21:08,555 --> 00:21:14,555 Speaker 1: constitute today's persons worst and the the world round rod 288 00:21:15,155 --> 00:21:20,835 Speaker 1: that's me speaking in public the brons worse. Bree Mogenberg, 289 00:21:21,675 --> 00:21:25,875 Speaker 1: chair person of Moms for Liberty in Isabella County, Michigan. 290 00:21:26,395 --> 00:21:30,555 Speaker 1: According to posts by Jennifer Strickland, Seabolt and an outlet 291 00:21:30,635 --> 00:21:36,235 Speaker 1: called Distill Social. We have another Moms for Liberty scandal. First, 292 00:21:36,275 --> 00:21:38,555 Speaker 1: of course, was the co founder in Florida and her 293 00:21:38,595 --> 00:21:44,435 Speaker 1: husband and their girlfriend and the rape allegation and the videos, 294 00:21:45,195 --> 00:21:50,235 Speaker 1: and and and In Michigan, missus sebolt is Or was 295 00:21:50,795 --> 00:21:53,715 Speaker 1: the wife of the Republican chairman of Michigan's second District, 296 00:21:54,035 --> 00:21:56,875 Speaker 1: and she and Distill Social claim her hobby was having 297 00:21:56,915 --> 00:22:01,235 Speaker 1: an affair with this bre Mogenberg not only the local 298 00:22:01,315 --> 00:22:04,235 Speaker 1: chair of Moms for Liberty, but she's also been seen 299 00:22:04,275 --> 00:22:07,515 Speaker 1: at State Board of Ed meetings in a wonder Woman costume. 300 00:22:08,635 --> 00:22:10,795 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll make the same observation I did after 301 00:22:10,835 --> 00:22:15,235 Speaker 1: the Florida thing Moms for Liberty. H So it's that 302 00:22:15,355 --> 00:22:19,235 Speaker 1: kind of liberty, eh Wor, Sir, the runner up, Congressan 303 00:22:19,235 --> 00:22:22,715 Speaker 1: Troy Nells of Texas, you already know that on immigration 304 00:22:22,755 --> 00:22:27,275 Speaker 1: the Republicans are like on every other topic. Let me 305 00:22:27,395 --> 00:22:31,875 Speaker 1: use the words from the guy on ESPN talking shit unquote. 306 00:22:32,275 --> 00:22:35,555 Speaker 1: But rarely is it as easily confirmed as it was yesterday. 307 00:22:35,835 --> 00:22:39,915 Speaker 1: By this January sixth, Denier Nells, a speaker, Mike Johnson, 308 00:22:39,955 --> 00:22:42,675 Speaker 1: and other Republicans held a photo op at the border. 309 00:22:42,955 --> 00:22:49,115 Speaker 1: Nells confirmed it the Republicans want border problems, want uncontrolled movement. 310 00:22:49,515 --> 00:22:52,995 Speaker 1: Don't give a damn about the presence or absence of migrants, 311 00:22:53,435 --> 00:22:56,675 Speaker 1: legal or otherwise, or anything about them or their impact 312 00:22:56,755 --> 00:22:59,995 Speaker 1: in this country. While many Republicans are demanding that the 313 00:23:00,035 --> 00:23:03,795 Speaker 1: Senate and the President adopt their hardline HR two bill 314 00:23:04,115 --> 00:23:08,595 Speaker 1: passed last summer, congresson Nell says the House should reject 315 00:23:08,835 --> 00:23:13,675 Speaker 1: any deal, including its own bill that it passed. Quote. 316 00:23:14,235 --> 00:23:16,795 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to do too damn much right now 317 00:23:16,835 --> 00:23:21,355 Speaker 1: to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden's approval rating. 318 00:23:21,675 --> 00:23:25,635 Speaker 1: The insurrection sympathizer told CNN, I will not help the 319 00:23:25,635 --> 00:23:29,195 Speaker 1: Democrats try to improve this man's dismal approval ratings. I'm 320 00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:32,395 Speaker 1: not going to do it. Why would I? Unquote I 321 00:23:32,435 --> 00:23:35,995 Speaker 1: don't know, Troy. Maybe because you fascists keep saying it's 322 00:23:36,035 --> 00:23:39,275 Speaker 1: a crisis and your munchkins want to impeach the Homeland 323 00:23:39,315 --> 00:23:42,155 Speaker 1: Security secretary for not doing enough about it. Now you're 324 00:23:42,195 --> 00:23:45,875 Speaker 1: saying you won't do anything about it, which basically means 325 00:23:46,275 --> 00:23:49,355 Speaker 1: you want to impeach yourself. I got a phrase for 326 00:23:49,395 --> 00:23:51,715 Speaker 1: you that sort of sounds like impeach yourself, only it 327 00:23:51,755 --> 00:23:54,875 Speaker 1: doesn't have the word impeach in it, but our winner 328 00:23:55,235 --> 00:24:00,235 Speaker 1: the worst. C SPAN. The promotional tweet for its coverage 329 00:24:00,275 --> 00:24:03,435 Speaker 1: went out at exactly eleven am Eastern yesterday. It was 330 00:24:03,475 --> 00:24:05,275 Speaker 1: a nice picture of the House chamber of the way 331 00:24:05,315 --> 00:24:10,315 Speaker 1: it ought to be empty, and the caption us House 332 00:24:11,315 --> 00:24:16,755 Speaker 1: end of fist Session of one hundred and eighteenth Congress 333 00:24:16,795 --> 00:24:22,075 Speaker 1: Live on c SPAN. Wow to talk about trying to 334 00:24:22,115 --> 00:24:26,475 Speaker 1: hype the ratings even c SPAN. Can I have Aaron 335 00:24:26,555 --> 00:24:31,795 Speaker 1: Rodgers on c SPAN c SPAN end of fist Session 336 00:24:31,835 --> 00:24:35,315 Speaker 1: of the one hundred and eighteenth Congress or the Lauren 337 00:24:35,395 --> 00:24:57,835 Speaker 1: Bobert story two days worse fars heads and to the 338 00:24:57,915 --> 00:25:05,555 Speaker 1: number oh forgot to play the song? Do the number 339 00:25:05,595 --> 00:25:07,955 Speaker 1: one story on the countdown? And my favorite topic me 340 00:25:08,075 --> 00:25:11,875 Speaker 1: and things I promised not to tell revised edition. And 341 00:25:11,955 --> 00:25:15,755 Speaker 1: I have mentioned this before, but now twenty twenty four 342 00:25:15,875 --> 00:25:18,035 Speaker 1: sits there in front of us like a cliche that 343 00:25:18,155 --> 00:25:21,515 Speaker 1: only dates back to the year eighteen eighty two and 344 00:25:21,635 --> 00:25:26,635 Speaker 1: a short story The Lady or the Tiger. We stand 345 00:25:26,755 --> 00:25:31,195 Speaker 1: in a public arena. Behind one soundproofed door is our 346 00:25:31,355 --> 00:25:35,635 Speaker 1: perfect match, the companion for the rest of our lives. 347 00:25:36,555 --> 00:25:41,595 Speaker 1: Behind the other soundproof door is a tiger that has 348 00:25:41,635 --> 00:25:45,835 Speaker 1: not eaten lately, and we have to pick one being 349 00:25:45,955 --> 00:25:52,515 Speaker 1: saved or being devoured. Early in two thousand and seven, 350 00:25:52,595 --> 00:25:57,235 Speaker 1: my phone rang at MSNBC headquarters in New Jersey. The 351 00:25:57,315 --> 00:25:59,915 Speaker 1: Senator would like to take you to lunch the next 352 00:25:59,915 --> 00:26:02,555 Speaker 1: time he's in New York. He needs your advice. Would 353 00:26:02,555 --> 00:26:06,155 Speaker 1: you be willing to do that? It was Joe Biden's 354 00:26:06,235 --> 00:26:10,875 Speaker 1: press chief. My first reaction was to ask if they 355 00:26:10,915 --> 00:26:13,635 Speaker 1: had called the wrong number. My next reaction was to 356 00:26:13,635 --> 00:26:16,475 Speaker 1: make sure this was not some policy question, because as 357 00:26:16,515 --> 00:26:20,035 Speaker 1: a news anchor and commentator for MSNBC, it did not 358 00:26:20,115 --> 00:26:24,115 Speaker 1: seem appropriate for me to offer advice to a candidate 359 00:26:24,635 --> 00:26:29,435 Speaker 1: for his party's presidential nomination. And doesn't that seem quaint now, 360 00:26:29,515 --> 00:26:33,235 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity No. I was told it was more technical, 361 00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:40,475 Speaker 1: more about communications, less about content. My antique news standards satisfied, 362 00:26:40,915 --> 00:26:43,915 Speaker 1: I said sure, And they gave me a couple of dates, 363 00:26:43,915 --> 00:26:46,155 Speaker 1: and they suggested, given his schedule, the best place for 364 00:26:46,235 --> 00:26:48,675 Speaker 1: us to eat would be a restaurant in Manhattan. And 365 00:26:48,755 --> 00:26:50,835 Speaker 1: I laughed and I said, yeah, that's great. It happens 366 00:26:50,835 --> 00:26:54,595 Speaker 1: to be about forty five seconds from my apartment. The 367 00:26:54,715 --> 00:26:57,635 Speaker 1: day and the hour arrived, it was March twenty seventh, 368 00:26:57,635 --> 00:27:00,075 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and I made it to the 369 00:27:00,115 --> 00:27:03,115 Speaker 1: restaurant and I sat down, and moments later in came 370 00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:06,715 Speaker 1: the Senator from Delaware. He had that big welcoming smile 371 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:10,315 Speaker 1: and equally big welcoming handshake that you may have seen 372 00:27:11,315 --> 00:27:14,035 Speaker 1: from back when candidates could still go greet the people 373 00:27:14,035 --> 00:27:16,555 Speaker 1: in a crowd. He reminded me that we had met 374 00:27:16,595 --> 00:27:19,195 Speaker 1: briefly when he was in Los Angeles for the two 375 00:27:19,275 --> 00:27:22,195 Speaker 1: thousand Democratic Convention, and he happened to be staying in 376 00:27:22,235 --> 00:27:24,515 Speaker 1: the hotel there in which I lived at the time. 377 00:27:25,635 --> 00:27:28,155 Speaker 1: Senator Biden then said some nice things about my days 378 00:27:28,195 --> 00:27:30,915 Speaker 1: in sports, and particularly about the commentaries I had begun 379 00:27:30,995 --> 00:27:35,675 Speaker 1: to do the previous summer on MSNBC. Those special commentaries, 380 00:27:35,835 --> 00:27:40,715 Speaker 1: he said, with first a smile, then a whistle. There 381 00:27:40,835 --> 00:27:43,755 Speaker 1: was then and there remains now, almost no space between 382 00:27:43,755 --> 00:27:47,595 Speaker 1: the public Joe Biden of the campaign or the presidency, 383 00:27:48,195 --> 00:27:51,275 Speaker 1: and the guy who talks informally to some knucklehead off 384 00:27:51,315 --> 00:27:55,835 Speaker 1: the streets, which in this story would be me. There 385 00:27:55,995 --> 00:28:01,875 Speaker 1: might be a few more swear words. The word malarkey 386 00:28:02,075 --> 00:28:05,115 Speaker 1: was used during our lunch, and I remember that particularly because, 387 00:28:05,155 --> 00:28:07,435 Speaker 1: as I told him, I went to grammar school in 388 00:28:07,475 --> 00:28:11,755 Speaker 1: Hastings on Hudson, New York, with a kid named Billy Malarkey. 389 00:28:12,475 --> 00:28:14,515 Speaker 1: He was delighted by that, and he said, he assumed 390 00:28:14,555 --> 00:28:16,515 Speaker 1: we gave the fellow a hard time. And I said, yeah, 391 00:28:16,515 --> 00:28:19,275 Speaker 1: but not because of the name. None of us third 392 00:28:19,275 --> 00:28:23,075 Speaker 1: graders knew what Malarkey meant. Then why did you give 393 00:28:23,115 --> 00:28:27,635 Speaker 1: him a hard time? Senator Biden asked, it was the 394 00:28:27,675 --> 00:28:32,395 Speaker 1: third grade. I deadpanned. Everybody gave everybody a hard time. 395 00:28:34,115 --> 00:28:36,915 Speaker 1: You liked that answer. But back to the point of 396 00:28:36,955 --> 00:28:40,835 Speaker 1: the lunch, your language, he said, in these special comments. 397 00:28:41,475 --> 00:28:45,075 Speaker 1: Now people often brought up the language I used to 398 00:28:45,155 --> 00:28:48,875 Speaker 1: do things like, you know, telling President Bush to you know, 399 00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:52,595 Speaker 1: shut the hell up, because I had to say hell 400 00:28:52,715 --> 00:28:55,075 Speaker 1: rather than the word I wanted to say. And some 401 00:28:55,115 --> 00:28:57,875 Speaker 1: of the events of that presidency so infuriated me that 402 00:28:57,915 --> 00:29:02,275 Speaker 1: I would Redden on camera, and I don't Redden in 403 00:29:02,355 --> 00:29:07,395 Speaker 1: a sauna. Once my high school history teacher, a distinguished 404 00:29:07,395 --> 00:29:10,635 Speaker 1: and elegant man whose nine older siblings had been born 405 00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:14,435 Speaker 1: in Vienna and who had the courtliness with which that 406 00:29:14,515 --> 00:29:18,315 Speaker 1: would be implied, mentioned to me the language of the 407 00:29:18,355 --> 00:29:21,115 Speaker 1: special comments, and I thought, oh boy, here it happens. 408 00:29:21,635 --> 00:29:26,475 Speaker 1: I'm in for it now. He Walter Schneller had told 409 00:29:26,515 --> 00:29:28,675 Speaker 1: me on the day I graduated that my plans to 410 00:29:28,715 --> 00:29:32,115 Speaker 1: become a sportscaster were very nice, and he was sure 411 00:29:32,155 --> 00:29:34,235 Speaker 1: i'd go and do that, but that he was also 412 00:29:34,315 --> 00:29:37,115 Speaker 1: sure that I would wind up in politics someday, either 413 00:29:37,195 --> 00:29:40,595 Speaker 1: as a reporter or as a combatant. And I told 414 00:29:40,675 --> 00:29:43,955 Speaker 1: him I was flattered, and I will always like you, 415 00:29:44,035 --> 00:29:48,555 Speaker 1: mister Schneller, and you're out of your mind. Mister Schneller 416 00:29:48,635 --> 00:29:50,595 Speaker 1: was also the one who, years later, was put in 417 00:29:50,715 --> 00:29:54,835 Speaker 1: charge of the school's surprisingly generous fund for bringing in 418 00:29:54,955 --> 00:29:59,555 Speaker 1: speakers to address the student body. He was very annoyed 419 00:29:59,595 --> 00:30:02,435 Speaker 1: by the fact that for decades and he got there 420 00:30:02,435 --> 00:30:06,835 Speaker 1: in I believe nineteen sixty, all of the speakers at 421 00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:10,275 Speaker 1: the Hackley School in Tarrytown, New York had either looked like, 422 00:30:10,715 --> 00:30:14,395 Speaker 1: as he put it, Hugh Side, the columnist of Time magazine, 423 00:30:14,955 --> 00:30:18,435 Speaker 1: or they had actually been Hugh Saide, the columnist for 424 00:30:18,515 --> 00:30:23,675 Speaker 1: Time Magazine. Mister Schneller began scouring the Northeast for anybody 425 00:30:23,715 --> 00:30:27,275 Speaker 1: smart who might have a diverse background, and that is 426 00:30:27,315 --> 00:30:29,635 Speaker 1: how he happened to be driving to the railroad station 427 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:32,875 Speaker 1: at Tarrytown, New York, one morning in the year nineteen 428 00:30:32,955 --> 00:30:36,115 Speaker 1: ninety one, to meet the train that carried that day's 429 00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:39,875 Speaker 1: guest speaker at the Hackley School. He was an editor 430 00:30:39,995 --> 00:30:46,235 Speaker 1: of the Harvard Law Review, and his name was Barack Obama. Anyway, 431 00:30:47,195 --> 00:30:50,315 Speaker 1: mister Schneller and I were talking about the commentaries and 432 00:30:50,395 --> 00:30:53,995 Speaker 1: he said about the language Keith, and I braced myself 433 00:30:53,995 --> 00:30:57,955 Speaker 1: and preemptively apologized, no, no, He said, urgently, you missed 434 00:30:57,995 --> 00:31:03,675 Speaker 1: my point entirely. I'm amazed that your language is so restrained. 435 00:31:04,995 --> 00:31:08,035 Speaker 1: If I was speaking, I'd have called mister bush a 436 00:31:09,515 --> 00:31:15,155 Speaker 1: whereupon mister Schneller made reference to somebody's mother. So back 437 00:31:15,235 --> 00:31:18,795 Speaker 1: to lunch. When Senator Biden asked about the language I used, 438 00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:21,875 Speaker 1: I was wary, but he followed it up by saying 439 00:31:21,875 --> 00:31:23,875 Speaker 1: that it was kind of why he had asked me 440 00:31:23,955 --> 00:31:27,875 Speaker 1: to lunch. I watch the commentary as you do. I 441 00:31:27,915 --> 00:31:31,275 Speaker 1: don't have a choice. Everybody sends me the videos, and 442 00:31:31,395 --> 00:31:34,395 Speaker 1: my staffers tell me about them, and every time I 443 00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:38,075 Speaker 1: think the same thing, you express anger. But as close 444 00:31:38,115 --> 00:31:40,475 Speaker 1: as you come to the line, you never go across it. 445 00:31:40,915 --> 00:31:43,435 Speaker 1: I say to my staff folks, is he too angry 446 00:31:43,475 --> 00:31:47,515 Speaker 1: for you? And they all say, no, just right. So 447 00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:50,035 Speaker 1: here's my question, and then we can enjoy this great lunch. 448 00:31:50,515 --> 00:31:53,835 Speaker 1: When I'm passionate about something and I speak on the 449 00:31:53,875 --> 00:31:56,635 Speaker 1: Senate floor, or on the campaign or anywhere else, I 450 00:31:56,635 --> 00:31:59,235 Speaker 1: get told by my friends and by my enemies, you're 451 00:31:59,235 --> 00:32:02,995 Speaker 1: too angry. And when I really am angry, they all say, 452 00:32:03,115 --> 00:32:08,795 Speaker 1: you're really too angry. And here Joe Biden laughed. Now 453 00:32:08,875 --> 00:32:14,475 Speaker 1: you you go on TV, far larger audience, far longer speeches, 454 00:32:14,755 --> 00:32:20,155 Speaker 1: and people say that, Olderman, he's righteously indignant. With a 455 00:32:20,195 --> 00:32:26,915 Speaker 1: mixture of laughter, astonishment and curiosity, he said me, I'm angry. 456 00:32:28,035 --> 00:32:33,715 Speaker 1: You you are righteously indignant. How do you do it? 457 00:32:34,355 --> 00:32:37,115 Speaker 1: How do you do it? Man? Can you tell me? 458 00:32:39,395 --> 00:32:44,195 Speaker 1: Without thinking? I replied, You've been in the Senate for 459 00:32:44,395 --> 00:32:49,915 Speaker 1: how long? Now, Senator thirty four years? He nodded. And 460 00:32:49,995 --> 00:32:55,755 Speaker 1: you're only just asking this question now. The words were 461 00:32:55,795 --> 00:32:59,275 Speaker 1: barely out of my mouth when I froze. This wasn't 462 00:32:59,275 --> 00:33:02,995 Speaker 1: a friend or a colleague, or even an athlete who 463 00:33:02,995 --> 00:33:05,595 Speaker 1: would take the little joking jazz I had just thrown. 464 00:33:05,675 --> 00:33:09,395 Speaker 1: This was a politician. They may have senses of humor, 465 00:33:09,435 --> 00:33:13,435 Speaker 1: but very few have senses of humor about themselves. In 466 00:33:13,475 --> 00:33:16,515 Speaker 1: that split second, I was confident Joe Biden would get 467 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:20,875 Speaker 1: up and leave. And he was silent for a moment, 468 00:33:21,355 --> 00:33:23,515 Speaker 1: and then the corners of his mouth turned up, and 469 00:33:23,555 --> 00:33:28,555 Speaker 1: to my great relief, he burst into laughter. He rocked 470 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,475 Speaker 1: back into his chair. He slapped the table with a palm. 471 00:33:31,675 --> 00:33:37,515 Speaker 1: My god, that's funny. More laughter, My God, that's true, 472 00:33:37,835 --> 00:33:42,995 Speaker 1: louder laughter. I do not apologize when I say I 473 00:33:43,035 --> 00:33:48,155 Speaker 1: have loved him ever since. I didn't think I actually 474 00:33:48,195 --> 00:33:51,715 Speaker 1: would have had much advice for him, and was prepared 475 00:33:51,755 --> 00:33:53,795 Speaker 1: to just go through the lunch having lunch. But as 476 00:33:53,795 --> 00:33:57,275 Speaker 1: we talked about this topic, he asked me follow up 477 00:33:57,355 --> 00:34:00,515 Speaker 1: questions that made me analyze for the first time some 478 00:34:00,675 --> 00:34:05,835 Speaker 1: of the processes I used unknowingly when writing and reading 479 00:34:05,915 --> 00:34:08,275 Speaker 1: on television. I had never thought of them before because 480 00:34:08,275 --> 00:34:10,915 Speaker 1: I had never had had lunch with Joe Biden before. 481 00:34:11,955 --> 00:34:14,115 Speaker 1: I will not bore you with the full results of 482 00:34:14,155 --> 00:34:17,515 Speaker 1: the dissection of the process or how to turn anger 483 00:34:17,595 --> 00:34:20,675 Speaker 1: into righteous indignation, if that's really what I was doing. 484 00:34:21,195 --> 00:34:23,875 Speaker 1: The most valuable conclusion was simply the oldest one in 485 00:34:23,915 --> 00:34:28,475 Speaker 1: the book. I always wrote late at night while fully angry, 486 00:34:28,515 --> 00:34:31,395 Speaker 1: and then in the morning I would take a lot 487 00:34:31,395 --> 00:34:38,195 Speaker 1: of things out, usually adjectives. Whatever anger was left was 488 00:34:38,235 --> 00:34:42,035 Speaker 1: only the most intense and the most justifiable. And if 489 00:34:42,075 --> 00:34:44,835 Speaker 1: you present it twenty four hours after you have written it, 490 00:34:45,355 --> 00:34:48,235 Speaker 1: you will be in control of the anger and not 491 00:34:48,315 --> 00:34:50,635 Speaker 1: have the anger be in control of you in short 492 00:34:52,275 --> 00:34:57,235 Speaker 1: sleep on it. That was in March two thousand and seven. 493 00:34:57,275 --> 00:34:59,635 Speaker 1: I saw the Senator next in August of two thousand 494 00:34:59,675 --> 00:35:03,755 Speaker 1: and seven, a Democratic primary debate officially called the afl 495 00:35:03,875 --> 00:35:09,835 Speaker 1: CIO Candidate Dates Forum, Soldier Field, Chicago, outdoors ninety five degrees, 496 00:35:10,595 --> 00:35:17,395 Speaker 1: threat of thunderstorms, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Dodd Richardson, Kusinich, Edwards, 497 00:35:17,795 --> 00:35:23,835 Speaker 1: and the moderator me. There are photos of this Joe 498 00:35:23,835 --> 00:35:26,955 Speaker 1: Biden and I walking towards each other, hands extended for 499 00:35:26,995 --> 00:35:29,755 Speaker 1: a greeting. He is literally asking me if I have 500 00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:32,835 Speaker 1: noticed that he has been trying to turn his anger 501 00:35:33,195 --> 00:35:38,395 Speaker 1: into righteous indignation, and Senator Biden asking if I thought 502 00:35:38,395 --> 00:35:43,595 Speaker 1: he had succeeded. They are great photos, largely because my 503 00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:47,715 Speaker 1: back is to the camera. He did not really succeed 504 00:35:47,755 --> 00:35:50,995 Speaker 1: in doing this in the debate, though, and he actually 505 00:35:51,035 --> 00:35:53,995 Speaker 1: came over to me during the commercial and told me 506 00:35:54,835 --> 00:35:56,995 Speaker 1: what he was going to do that. He didn't think 507 00:35:57,035 --> 00:36:01,715 Speaker 1: he'd actually gotten the chance to answer a previous question sufficiently, 508 00:36:01,795 --> 00:36:03,235 Speaker 1: and he was going to go back to it the 509 00:36:03,275 --> 00:36:06,195 Speaker 1: next time. I called on him, and I told him, don't, don't, don't, 510 00:36:06,235 --> 00:36:09,515 Speaker 1: don't do that, and he did it anyway, and later 511 00:36:09,555 --> 00:36:11,715 Speaker 1: he let me know he should have listened to me. 512 00:36:13,555 --> 00:36:18,115 Speaker 1: Since then, I cannot recall him being angry. Not even 513 00:36:18,155 --> 00:36:27,195 Speaker 1: in those debates with that goddamned madman. The words were harsh, cutting, destructive, fatal. 514 00:36:27,515 --> 00:36:38,995 Speaker 1: The tone, no, the tone was dismissive, disappointed, slept upon rage, 515 00:36:39,635 --> 00:36:43,915 Speaker 1: perfect a plus no notes. But it occurs to me 516 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:47,475 Speaker 1: in all of the analysis of all of the changes 517 00:36:47,515 --> 00:36:51,755 Speaker 1: in Joe Biden since day one in nineteen seventy three, 518 00:36:52,475 --> 00:36:55,835 Speaker 1: nobody touches on this one thing. As late as two 519 00:36:55,915 --> 00:36:59,715 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, he seemed to be his reputation was 520 00:36:59,795 --> 00:37:04,875 Speaker 1: as a hot head. When was the last time he 521 00:37:04,955 --> 00:37:10,515 Speaker 1: was accused of that. I'm not saying I had anything 522 00:37:10,595 --> 00:37:15,075 Speaker 1: to do with that, But in the years now, since 523 00:37:15,235 --> 00:37:21,595 Speaker 1: January sixth, particularly, it has been a comforting change, and 524 00:37:21,715 --> 00:37:25,995 Speaker 1: not a change within Joe Biden, but within our presidency. 525 00:37:27,355 --> 00:37:31,755 Speaker 1: And yet now twenty twenty four may make president Biden 526 00:37:32,035 --> 00:37:35,995 Speaker 1: have to change back because the comforting Joe Biden is 527 00:37:36,075 --> 00:37:40,155 Speaker 1: great and the sardonic Joe Biden is greater. But the 528 00:37:40,195 --> 00:37:43,115 Speaker 1: one who beat Trump, and the one we need right 529 00:37:43,155 --> 00:37:48,235 Speaker 1: now is the Joe Biden of the righteous anger. To 530 00:37:48,435 --> 00:37:53,275 Speaker 1: circle back to our cliched analogy, we need the tiger. 531 00:37:56,395 --> 00:37:59,635 Speaker 1: In fact, when Trump chooses between his two doors in 532 00:37:59,715 --> 00:38:03,515 Speaker 1: our public arena, we need to have fixed the thing. 533 00:38:04,275 --> 00:38:08,595 Speaker 1: There has to be a tiger behind door one and 534 00:38:09,875 --> 00:38:23,635 Speaker 1: the same tiger behind door two. I've done all the 535 00:38:23,715 --> 00:38:26,035 Speaker 1: damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. Countdown 536 00:38:26,115 --> 00:38:29,435 Speaker 1: Musical directors Brian Ray and John Phillips Chanel arranged, produced, 537 00:38:29,475 --> 00:38:33,435 Speaker 1: and performed most of our music. Mister Ray was on guitars, 538 00:38:33,475 --> 00:38:37,115 Speaker 1: bass and drums. 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This three hundred and 547 00:39:05,555 --> 00:39:08,715 Speaker 1: three days until the twenty twenty four US presidential election 548 00:39:09,195 --> 00:39:12,595 Speaker 1: and the one thousand and ninety fourth day since dementia 549 00:39:12,675 --> 00:39:15,955 Speaker 1: J Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected government 550 00:39:15,955 --> 00:39:20,435 Speaker 1: of the United States. Use the Fourteenth Amendment, the Insurrection Act, 551 00:39:20,755 --> 00:39:23,915 Speaker 1: and the justice system to stop him from doing it 552 00:39:23,955 --> 00:39:30,195 Speaker 1: again while we still can. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow. 553 00:39:30,315 --> 00:39:33,755 Speaker 1: Until then, I'm Keith Olderman. Good morning, good afternoon, good night, 554 00:39:34,795 --> 00:39:49,635 Speaker 1: and good luck. Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production 555 00:39:49,835 --> 00:39:55,155 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. 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