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Speaker 1: I think I've got it all down at the top.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling about this coming Saturday?

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Speaker 2: I feel wonderful about it. I feel better about this

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Speaker 1: Soresto otherwise? Yeah, I mean, look, it's very early this

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Speaker 1: Saw Jamie Chadwell's name, saw Billy Napier's name. Those are

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Speaker 1: That's it. With all that being said, Dan, shall we

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Can you believe it? Not? Fully?

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Speaker 2: I just Clemson's offense. You're you're sticking around to watch? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Of a season. It's pretty wild. All right, let's start

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Speaker 1: It's jumped around a fair amount. I saw it at

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Speaker 1: Michigan State, Dan, just like their country. They're young, they're scrappy,

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Speaker 1: I think mel Tucker is going to have him ready

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Speaker 2: the time recording. What do we think that offense is

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Speaker 2: going to do to Michigan State if Aidan O'Connell was

431
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Speaker 2: able to throw like he was able to throw against

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Speaker 2: Michigan State. The other thing that concerns me is Michigan

433
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Speaker 2: State in the second half, and I fully agree with

434
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Speaker 2: the way you worded it, keeping up Michigan State in

435
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: the second half. Forget the Nebraska game. Here's what happened

436
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: in the second half against Purdue two weeks ago. Michigan State. Okay,

437
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: they tie it up. Michigan State ties it up, They

438
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: score pretty quickly once they get the ball, they take

439
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: advantage of a fumble. It's twenty one all, and then

440
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Speaker 2: produce scores. All right, we got a bit of a shootout,

441
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Speaker 2: then three and out hey produce scores again, three and

442
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: out hey produce scores again. Interception something about Michigan State

443
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: where they have a finite amount of firepower, and the

444
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 2: Michigan State season has been awesome. It's been an awesome story,

445
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: and I hate that we're putting it into the context

446
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Speaker 2: of the playoff because Michigan State is better than having

447
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: the success that they've had put into that context. I

448
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: think Ohio State is going to exploit, and I think

449
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: Michigan State has that upper end limit of like twenty

450
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: four points against an Ohio State defense that has been improving.

451
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Speaker 2: I don't like their second half fades. I have Ohio

452
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Speaker 2: State winning this game forty eight to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not that far off. We're not that

454
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Speaker 1: far off. But I have them covering. You have them covering. Okay.

455
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Speaker 1: Is this gonna be one of those weeks where you

456
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Speaker 1: feel good about your picks. I feel really good about

457
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Speaker 1: my picks, and somehow we disagree on all of them. Yeah.

458
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll show you some texts and some slack messages

459
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Speaker 1: as it's happening, like, oh, looks like.

460
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Speaker 2: Your clones no getting it done against Texas third string quarterback.

461
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Speaker 1: You know I'm picking the Clones, don't you? You already

462
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: know you are. I know I can't resist. Okay, three

463
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: point thirty ABC, Arkansas on the road at Alabama. Another

464
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: nineteen point spread DAN, another battle between ranked teams, just

465
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: like the game we just discussed. Bama has won the

466
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Speaker 1: last thirteen meetings, including a game last year in Fayetteville

467
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: by forty nine. They won fifty two to three. Mm hm. So, Dan,

468
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: if you could take a knee for a second, I

469
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: want to ask you a bunch of questions, no one

470
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: to have them answered immediately. Is there any look ahead

471
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: potential on the Alabama side here? They've got the Iron

472
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Speaker 1: Bowl against Auburn on.

473
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Speaker 2: Deck, right, Not with Bonix breaking his ankle and missing

474
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: the rest of the year, and not with Auburn in

475
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Speaker 2: the last couple weeks of Auburn threatening the division, it

476
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Speaker 2: seems so.

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Speaker 1: No.

478
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: I think technically Auburn's still in it for the West,

479
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: like eleven things need to happen. But no, I don't

480
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: think the look ahead is quite there in the same

481
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Speaker 2: way that maybe it was three or four weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Because Arkansas is a pretty good team. Arkansas is a

483
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: pretty good team. And didn't they lose thirty seven to

484
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: nothing to Georgia. They did, Yeah, and can confirm yeah.

485
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: I love what Arkansas has done this season. kJ Jefferson

486
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: has been nothing short of a revelation. The rushing attack's

487
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: been a joy to watch. If you count kJ, They've

488
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: got four very dangerous runners. Clearly that is a focal

489
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: point of this offense. They've played off that run really well.

490
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: That's why it's been a monster season for trailing Burks.

491
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Dudes built like to He's probably gonna be a first

492
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: round pick. Got sure fifteen yards to catch, eight touchdowns.

493
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: He's been a freak out there. So all due credit

494
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Speaker 1: to Arkansas and Sam Pittman and what they've built. With

495
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: all that said, Alabama has a great rushing defense, and

496
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm not at all confident that the Hogs and their

497
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: passing attack are going to be able to make up

498
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Speaker 1: the difference. I hope I'm wrong again. I root for

499
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: underdogs because that's just what I do. Now, that's what

500
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: most of our listing audience is doing at this point. Sure,

501
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I don't see it for Arkansas.

502
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't see the win. I don't see the cover.

503
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I think it's something like forty five twenty one. If

504
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: they get to twenty one, I think it's a cover

505
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: for Bama. I think Bama is trying to prove something.

506
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: They know that they're number two in the polls. There's

507
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: just there's more to lose for Bama, and I think

508
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Nick Saban will drill that into their heads repeatedly over

509
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: the course of the next few weeks. So give me

510
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Bama here. If you want to talk about the underthink express,

511
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Speaker 1: Let's go Crimson Tide.

512
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go Tide here as well. And

513
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: what Arkansas has carved out as a team identity, I

514
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: suppose the defensive identity. If you have quarterback issues, if

515
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: you have inconsistent quarterback play, Arkansas is likely to beat you.

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00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

517
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: Right, you look at their schedule. Obviously the Texas win

518
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: hasn't aged especially well, but with the struggles of Zach

519
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: Calzada on that neutral side field, Arkansas is able to

520
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: pull it out. LSU quarterback issues, Arkansas doesn't play particularly well,

521
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: but they pull it out out. They limit LSU. They

522
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: make quarterbacks look silly. They're especially good on passing downs, right,

523
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Barry Otam and that defense has done a good job.

524
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: They have done a good job of confusing quarterbacks and

525
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: getting off the field. I don't see Alabama as a

526
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: team that qualifies as a team that has quarterback issues. No,

527
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 2: not passing game issues at all. And so Alabama's been

528
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: especially good on passing downs when they are forced into

529
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: second and long, third and long fourth down, fourth and

530
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: sixth or whatever. That I'm just not that concerned about

531
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: Arkansas keeping pace here and so Arkansas still a good story,

532
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: still a good team, but I think Alabama is an

533
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: especially difficult matchup to say the least. The game's in

534
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: tuscal Loosa, correct.

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Speaker 1: Games in Tuscaloosa. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So again we've talked about like if you're going

537
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Speaker 2: to upset a team as a two, three, four touchdown dog,

538
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: you have to have your act together. And Arkansas, especially situationally,

539
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: whether it's red zone stuff, whatever, they're just not there

540
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: to me. And so I have Alabama covering the spread

541
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: again as the engineer on the Underthink Express. Yeah, Alabama

542
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: thirty four to ten something like that.

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00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see it. And by the way, on

544
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Speaker 1: the topic of Arkansas, if Arkansas finishes eight and four

545
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: with losses to Georgia, Alabama, Old Miss, and Auburn, three

546
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Speaker 1: of those four on the road, that's a hell of

547
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: a season for Sam Pittman. Yeah, Okay, I don't care

548
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: if they don't win the SEC. I don't care if

549
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: they don't win the SEC West. I don't care if

550
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: they're ranked at all. But again, compared to expectations preseason,

551
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: eight wins with the kind of schedule that we had

552
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: been looking at fearful of in the preseason. That's a

553
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: hell of a story. That's that's a bravo story to

554
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Sam Pittman.

555
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Speaker 2: And by the way, that is a baby's breath from

556
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Speaker 2: nine given that they lost fifty two to fifty one

557
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: to Old Miss. Yeah, so incredible story.

558
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

559
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think Arkansas fans. I don't think

560
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: Hog fans are going to be particularly pissed about an

561
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: eight and.

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Speaker 1: Four year No, nor should they be. Okay, now we

563
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: agree three point thirty ESPN this is a biggin Dan. Hey, ooh,

564
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: this is a biggin thank Dan. SMU the Mustangs on

565
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: the road at Cincinnati. Cincinnati is favored by twelve points. Cincinnati,

566
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Speaker 1: I'll have you know, has two really big games left

567
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: on the schedule. The first is this week against SMU.

568
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: It's at home. The other is against Houston, who they're

569
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Speaker 1: gonna play in the American Championship Game, provided they win

570
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: one of their final two, which they're going to do. Technically,

571
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: only Houston has qualified and clinched their spot in that game.

572
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I would imagine that Cincinnati is not very far behind.

573
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: I want to play a thought experiment game with you.

574
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: Let's but first off, I need to know where you

575
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: stand with regard to this game. Where are you at here?

576
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: I think Cincinnati covers. I think Cincinnati can win this

577
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: game by a couple touchdowns. I am looking at SMU.

578
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: What was their score against Memphis? Lost twenty eight to

579
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Speaker 2: twenty five. They lost by seven to Houston in a

580
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: bit of a shootout SMU did Yep, that was a

581
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: fun SMU's front is pretty good and Jerome Ford being

582
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: beat up. Hopefully he's back. I don't know his status

583
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: at the time of recording. If I'm going to be

584
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: a believer in Cincinnati, I think there might be a

585
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: glory boy element to the Bearcats, and that's the reason

586
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: to pick Cincinnati. That SMU is going to throw it

587
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: a bunch and the secondary for the Bearcats opportunistic, and

588
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: we saw it against Notre Dame that I think they

589
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: are going to view this as you like to put it,

590
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: their super Bowl, right, this is their their shining moment midyear.

591
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: To make that.

592
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: Statement, z if they belong de facto national championship, de

593
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: facto national championship, their super Bowl, they're de facto national championship.

594
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: I think Cincinnati, even with recent evidence to the contrary.

595
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: I think there's a reason this line is where it is.

596
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm not a big believer still in SMU, so I'm

597
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: gonna go Cincy here. I'm gonna go Cincy to maybe

598
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: create a couple turnovers and to comfortably win this game

599
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: and play two expectations for the first time in a bit.

600
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: I understand. I am an evidence based person with these

601
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: kind of picks. I am going with a little bit

602
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: of faith. I'm going with a little bit of faith

603
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: here that Cincinnati rises to this moment like they've done

604
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: in recent years under Luke fickel On, though you know

605
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: there was game day games at times. It's a faith

606
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: based pick for me with Cincinnati here, I a couple

607
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: of touchdowns.

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00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I love that you bade that pick. Yeah, I love

609
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: you for who you are. Thank you, and I love

610
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: that for one time this season, my plan actually worked

611
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: because you walked into my trap. I'm ready. If you

612
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: swapped out the name SMU for a team like Arkansas,

613
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: or a team like Kentucky or a team like Arizona

614
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: the state, would you still take Cincinnati minus twelve. I'm

615
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: not saying to win, but Cincinnati minus twelve against Arkansas

616
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: or Kentucky or Arizona State.

617
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: Do those teams have like similarly based underlying numbers and records?

618
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: I don't have it ay in terms, yes, And that's

619
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Speaker 2: why I'm saying this. Yeah, one I'm trying to figure

620
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: out is this a branding thing? Is it a labeling thing,

621
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: or is it an actual football thing? Because in terms

622
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: of efficiency numbers, at least some of the numbers that

623
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: I've aggregated, sure, and they're not my numbers again from

624
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: other people, but if you kind of, you know, take

625
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: the composite SMUs within a point of all those teams,

626
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: it's a very very good football teams, a veteran football team.

627
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: And so I just I wonder if the fact that

628
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: it's SMU and not a bigger brand name, if that

629
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: plays tricks on the mind here.

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00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: I hear you.

631
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of if we're going

632
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: to talk about SMU specifically and how they differ from

633
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: ASU and are Saw, I don't know who.

634
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Else you mentioned.

635
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: SMU has played Abilene, Christian North Texas, Louisiana, tech USF

636
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: Navy in Tulane. Now I know that there's crossover with

637
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: and that's fair and that's a fair perspective. These are

638
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: sub ninetieth ranked SP plus teams. Yeah, so here's the deal.

639
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Very good, very veteran football team. Vegas had their over

640
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: under at six.

641
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Which was always too low. We talked about it in

642
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: our preseason. I was like, you gotta hammer the over

643
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: on SMU, especially after they hired Jim Levitt to improve

644
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: the defense, which he definitely has. Yeah. No, they've been

645
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: very good against the run. Some things to know. Their

646
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: quarterback is Tanner Mordecai. We talked about him here and there.

647
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about him now Oklahoma transfer.

648
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: He's got thirty seven touchdown passes on the year. He's

649
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: second only to our boy Bailey Zappi from Western Kentucky,

650
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: who was more. But those numbers are better than Bryce Young,

651
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: better than Kenny Pickett, better than Sam Hartman, CJ. Stroud. Again,

652
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: maybe not playing the same level of competition, but he's

653
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: been very, very, very good this year. They also got

654
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: a really big injury boost last week I think when

655
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: their boy Ulysses Bentley the fourth came back for a

656
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: sprained ankle for their game with UCF and he had

657
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good game on the ground. Didn't quite get

658
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: to one hundred yards. I think got to ninety seven,

659
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: but a very talented running back. I am on smu

660
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: here and I feel pretty good about it. If you

661
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: told me the points spread was Cincinnati minus seven, I

662
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: would consider it. If he told me ten, I would

663
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: be leery, but I'd consider it. Anything over ten is

664
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: too much in my view, especially for a team like

665
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: the Mustangs that is playing well right now and is

666
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: probably good enough to win this game out right, and

667
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: they will be up for this game. I think this

668
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: might be the best game of the day. I think

669
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati wins it. I think it's something like thirty four

670
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to thirty one. I would not be shocked by an upset,

671
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: but I feel very very good about smu Let's lock

672
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: it up, oh man, I love it. The week one

673
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: of a triumvirate of for me. This week, I feel triumvirate.

674
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel very very good about SMUs chances

675
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: to go in there and compete in Nippert Stadium. I

676
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: do also agree with you that there is a bit

677
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: of a glory boys complex here for the Cincinnati Bearcats

678
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: going on the road to Notre Dame. That's not a

679
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: They were solid in that game.

680
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: They needed those two turnovers, and I just think they

681
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: can get that. You know, Tanner Mordecai has thrown ten

682
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: picks this year. By the way, if you like SMU

683
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: the Mustang six and three as road dogs under sunny dikes.

684
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Not great on the road overall against the spread, but

685
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: as dogs specifically, Yeah, they tend to come through. That's

686
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 2: what sixty winning two thirds of the time not bad.

687
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: I am. I am going all in an SMU there.

688
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: I feel good about their chances to cover, not necessarily win,

689
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: though I think they.

690
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: Can argue it. That's a big line, big number. Okay,

691
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: moving on to seven thirty. Your Oregon Ducks on the

692
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: road at Utah. Yeah, Utah favored by three.

693
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: This is the ABC game. I think her Bean Fowler

694
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: doing this one right.

695
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: I think it's Sean McDonough. Sean think that's the light

696
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: the last I saw, because there was the piece that

697
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: John Canzano wrote for The Oregonian about how the terrible

698
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: cameras they were getting couched all around the West Coast

699
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: and that Oregon would have a better crew this week

700
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: as a playoff team to show their game an actual

701
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: HD instead of the up converted Standard Definition or whatever.

702
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: ESPN was passing off as that that pissed a lot

703
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: of people off at ESPN, didn't it.

704
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it did. But guess what.

705
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: ESPN has been going to those remote broadcasts and those

706
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: bare bones broadcasts for a couple of week years now,

707
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: and people are actually seeing it and seeing what happens

708
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: when you try to cut corners, when everybody has giant,

709
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: beautiful TVs and can tell that the pixels are gigantic

710
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: on a random ass ESPN broadcast.

711
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: It's like an eight bit broadcast. Okay, Yeah, First off,

712
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: I found this sound. Do you remember this sound? I

713
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: think I sent it to you. What is that? So?

714
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: I think there is a mascot that is the Guy Ducks.

715
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: It's spelled Geo Ducks.

716
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: It is like Geo Storm the movie.

717
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's spelled Geo Ducks. They're these giant oyster

718
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: looking molluscs that are found in the Pacific Northwest. And

719
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: I think when we were talking about weird tiny schools,

720
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: it is the University of Puget sound it's it's something

721
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: in the Northwest that's the fighting Guy Ducks man.

722
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: And then I found that song. I found that I

723
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: was going through the soundboard I was like, why do

724
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: we use this in the first place, but it has

725
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: no context here. I just thought it was Duck related,

726
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: and we're talking Evergreens State. Evergreen State. They're the Guy

727
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Ducks and their mascot is Speedy the Guy Duck. And

728
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I want to say Evergreen State is where Matt groeningg creative,

729
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: the Simpsons went to school, and of course the Simpsons

730
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: lived on in Evergreen Terrace. With that being said, sorry, no,

731
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: it's good. We have a good match in Springfield, Oregon

732
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: being the basis for Springfield and on the Simpsons. Yeah,

733
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: we have a good match up here. This is a

734
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: potential preview of a PAC twelve championship game next month.

735
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Oregan's won the last five Utah the last three. Both

736
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: teams feature prolific rushing attacks and quarterbacks who can move.

737
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: My gut is to take Oregon plus the points because

738
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: of your Glory Boys theory as it relates to this

739
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: team under Maria crist Ball, which you're going to explain here,

740
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you re explain that. But your

741
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: theory from thirty thousand feet up is that Oregon gets

742
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: up for big games. Oregon under Marriow Crystal ball likes

743
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: to play the guerrilla ball where they're not afraid to

744
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: run it if they are eating well on the ground mashing. Yeah,

745
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: and also that they cover in big games away from

746
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Austin Stadium. I don't really have a lean here. I

747
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: don't know Oregon as well as you do. It seems

748
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: as if you've got the finger pretty well in the

749
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: pulse of this Ducks team. It feels like a very

750
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: even matchup. Like if you look at the efficiency numbers here,

751
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: it's dead, totally dead even. Yeah, talk me through your

752
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: logic here, and I'm gonna side with you. My gut

753
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: is Oregon plus to three. But I am ultimately gonna

754
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: take whatever you tell me to take.

755
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mario Christaball and Oregon since twenty eighteen winning records

756
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: both on the road against the spread and on the

757
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: road as road dogs. So trend wise it favors Oregon slightly.

758
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: You're right, this is an even matchup. It's at altitude.

759
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: If you have that sound at the ready, which I

760
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: never love, But do you have it?

761
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't have it. Come on like you a so

762
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: one sound. I don't have. That's my approximation.

763
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: So I like Oregon here. I like Oregon here because

764
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: Utah is a very good team that I believe the

765
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: Ducks can exploit on the ground more so than Utah.

766
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: I know Tavi on Thomas, their star running back, is

767
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: beat up. He didn't play last week against Arizona. That

768
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: was a bit of a close call. I was back

769
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: and forth. I do like the Cats of Arizona fine,

770
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: but I think Oregon should be able to over the

771
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 2: course of four quarters control this game.

772
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: Now.

773
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: The big as risk is Anthony Brown and coming up

774
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: big on third downs and not making mistakes that end

775
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: up with turnovers. I get all of that, right. They

776
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: have the slow down against Washington State, the slow start

777
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: against Washington State and giving up that big play that

778
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: ultimately didn't matter. But if Oregon's able to start relatively well,

779
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: I think Oregon is one of those teams that in

780
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: the second half they have if it's close or they

781
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: have a lead, they're terribly difficult to beat because of

782
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: that rushing attack. We've seen the emergence of Byron Cardwell,

783
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: their third string running back. The freshman has played quite

784
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: well after CJ. Berdell went down. I know they're beat

785
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: up at receiver. I don't think it's going to matter

786
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: because we're seeing an evolution of this Oregon offense, especially

787
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: with Anthony Brown running the ball like he did against

788
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Washington State. I think we're going to see more of that.

789
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: And there is something that is a little bit more

790
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: concerning if I'm looking at this Utah team. To beat Oregon,

791
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: you need some explosive plays and they're just not a

792
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: downfield passing team. Cam Rising's good, but I just don't

793
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: think they have the weapons out wide. Britton Covey maybe

794
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: forty four years old and he's still at Utah.

795
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

796
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: I just don't have those guys that put the fear.

797
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: Of life into me out wide.

798
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: And a lot of the evidence points to Utah that

799
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: they're playing at home. They play especially well at home.

800
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: They've gotten better under Cam Rising, They've been running the

801
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: ball really well. Oregon actually does a good job stopping

802
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: the run. But I'm going with talent here. I'm going

803
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: with talent. We saw recently a couple of years ago,

804
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: and that was a Justin Herbert team just blowing out

805
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: Utah in the PAC twelve Championship game. These teams look

806
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: like they're going to be playing each other twice. A

807
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: side note here. If Utah wins this game, they take

808
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: themselves out of Rose Bowl contention. I like Oregon here

809
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: by a touchdown. I do.

810
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna with you here. I feel like

811
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: you've had a good sense for Oregon all year. You

812
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: haven't really done me wrong on that front at all.

813
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: So let's go Oregon. I agree.

814
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: I get like six oh eight am techts from Jeff

815
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: saying like, I'm looking for how Utah can beat Oregon

816
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: and I can't find it. And he watches the huddle

817
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: Tech tape. He looks at the underlying numbers and the

818
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: specific matchups, and he's leaning that way as well. So

819
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: I trust him too.

820
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: There eight pm, let's talk about Oklahoma State. Let's talk

821
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: about Texas Tech. Oklahoma State's favored by ten and a

822
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: half here. They have been undervalued by Vegas all year

823
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: and talk about covering percentages and whatnot. Oklahoma State's covered

824
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time this year, so Vegas doesn't

825
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: have a good sense for the Pokes. Meanwhile, Tech fired

826
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: Matt Wells a couple weeks ago amid or murderers row

827
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: here of games to close out the season. Oklahoma, Iowa State,

828
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State this week and then Baylor next week to

829
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: close out the year. Incredible. Yep. Still, though Tech is

830
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: playing hard. They beat Iowa Stayed on a sixty two

831
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: yard field goal last week, which is still mind blowing

832
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: to me that that's even the think in college fans

833
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: storm the field. I'll be honest with you, Dan, I

834
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: don't like betting on a team after their fans storm

835
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the field. Is it just me? No, I'm right there

836
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: with you. Is there any greater letdown for a college kid?

837
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: One week after the fans storm the field? You're on

838
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: top of the world, king of the castle, and now

839
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: you got to play a different game, Like I guess

840
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: a really good defense that's probably gonna boy you to death,

841
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: but is gonna stop most of your plays because they're

842
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: so damn good. I don't like that setup. I also

843
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: don't like the set up a week before a hated

844
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: rivalry game, the bedroom game on deck for Oklahoma State. Agreed,

845
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: I've got competing theories, none of which is based on

846
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: actual effect, okay, or any empirical data. Right, it is

847
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: a question of do we go with the team that

848
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: is in a potential book ahead spot in Oklahoma State

849
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: minus ten on the Road in Lubbock, or do we

850
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: go against a team dealing with a letdown. It is

851
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: sort of a letdown look ahead sandwich if you combine

852
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: two different pieces of bread. Mm hmm. I think I

853
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: go Oklahoma State and I think I go Oklahoma State

854
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: thirty one seventeen. Does that make sense to you? Yeah?

855
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: I so Texas Tech quietly has even with moving on

856
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: from att Wells, they've mounted one of the more impressive

857
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: offenses considering how beat up they are at quarterback right,

858
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: They've been able to score points. They've been able to

859
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: come through beating Iowa State like they did crazy impressive

860
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: with donovum dom Donovan. Sorry, my voice is going I

861
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: am taking Oklahoma State here. Yeah, because again I'm an

862
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: under get here and I think defense travels and Oklahoma

863
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: State while there is that look ahead element. Now Oklahoma

864
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 2: loses and they're clearly more vulnerable than usual. Oklahoma State,

865
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: who has had so little success if at all, against

866
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: ou over the years, sees blood in the water. M Yeah,

867
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: I could see that being a distraction. But again, I

868
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: don't know. Defense is about effort, it's about aggression and

869
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: whatever offensive hiccups that Oklahoma State has had this year,

870
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: there's still scoring points. It's not like the offense is

871
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: a liability. I'd love for Spencer Sanders to make fewer mistakes, definitely,

872
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: But this year's Oklahoma State team is one that just

873
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: gets the job done, and I think we undervalue that.

874
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: In Vegas obviously undervalues that because they can't put these

875
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: these poke lines high enough. I think they're just the

876
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: clearly and demonstrative better team, and so I'm rolling with that.

877
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm rolling with the Pokes here to win this by

878
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns because even though Texas Tech has

879
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: very clearly been better at home, right they nearly beat

880
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: Kansas State a couple weeks ago, they just got destroyed

881
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: by TCU.

882
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: I hear you, But.

883
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm just a believer, I you know, I Well, the

884
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: best thing in this game is so very clearly the

885
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State defense. And how many points do you need

886
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: to cover ten and a half if you're holding a

887
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: team to seven to ten points, not that many.

888
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I mean, I don't know if

889
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: they're going to hold Texas Tech to seven to ten points.

890
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: Sure Tech will probably score a little bit more than that,

891
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: but the defense has not taken any weeks off for

892
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. Yeah, they lost a game to Iowa State.

893
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: That was a close game, yep. But like the defense

894
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: has been one of the steadier units in college football.

895
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I hate to put it in the same breath as

896
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: Georgia because George has been so just on a different

897
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: level than every other defense in college football. But the

898
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: consistency of Thisklahoma State Cowboys defense has been there. They've

899
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: been really good all year and so I'm not going

900
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: to turn my back on him now, not on the road.

901
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a defense that traveled up to

902
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Boise State and played a hell of a second half.

903
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: Without the defense, they don't win that game, right. This

904
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: is a defense that has gone on the road to Texas.

905
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: There's a defense that you know, kept West Virginia to

906
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: three points in Morgantown, which is not always the easiest

907
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: thing to do. Correct, Bairo to fourteen, at Baylor to fourteen?

908
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Can they travel to Lubbock? Yeah, they could travel to Lubbock.

909
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: Thirty one seventeen, give me the pokes, we agree, I

910
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: have it probably twenty seven to thirteen. All right, some

911
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: quick hitters, Dan, you're ready to go wrap the fire?

912
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm ready twelve pm Fox, Iowa State on the road

913
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, Oklahoma favored by four. I also found this sound.

914
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: It fits pretty well with Iowa State. You have given

915
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: me nothing but empty promises A little crank there. I'm

916
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: almost positive I found that. Pe, you have a life.

917
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: You definitely found that. I am taking Iowa State straight up.

918
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: Block of the week, block of the week. Season has

919
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: been a huge disappointment for the Clones. Nobody expected four

920
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: losses at this point. You sort of stole my thunder Dan.

921
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Stu. Yeah, I have come to fear the

922
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: de facto national championship game in all context in college football. Yeah,

923
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: and Iowa State has been mistake prone and as we

924
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: talked about last night on the slack, yeah, they do

925
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of stink. But I run it. I want to

926
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: fire their offensive coordinator. I still contend that this is

927
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: a dangerous team and Oklahoma may be locking its wounds

928
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: a week after suffering its first loss. So I am

929
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: on the Clones plus the four and outright as my

930
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: second of three locks this week.

931
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: So I like Iowa State in that I like John

932
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: Haycock and his ability to confuse especially greener quarterbacks with

933
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: that defense has been a successful element of Iowa State

934
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: these past few years. I kind of think the Iowa

935
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: State offense has broken to a certain extent. I also

936
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: kind of think Oklahoma might now be underrated a little bit.

937
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: Like Baylor's good losing to There's no shame in losing

938
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: to Baylor on the road like Oklahoma did. Now, the

939
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: manner in which they played was very disappointing. Right They

940
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: abandoned the run. They rely on Kayleb Williams too much,

941
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: he gets confused, there's a couple of bad picks.

942
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: I get all of that. I'm with you, but.

943
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: I now think oh Use a little bit underrated. They

944
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: were still undefeated clunkers for sure, but they won those

945
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: games where Iowa State it's not necessarily winning their clunkers.

946
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Iowa State finds multiple ways to lose these games. Big

947
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: kicks go on the road to West Virginia with special

948
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: teams like there's all they're all over the place. I'm

949
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: gonna go with Oklahoma to at home, where Kleb Williams

950
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: has definitely been better bounce back in a big way.

951
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 2: I still think Oklahoma is a good but not great team,

952
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: whereas I think Iowa State is too flawed all over

953
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: the place. If you're losing a Texas Tech in West Virginia,

954
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: what are you really and what are you really?

955
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Let's move on twelve o'clock ESPN Wake Forest

956
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: at Clemson. Clemson is a four and a half point favorite.

957
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: I guess the question here is to what end can

958
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: Clemson and its defense slow down Wake? For me, it's

959
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating questions of the entire week

960
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: of college football. I am going to take Clemson. I

961
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: think they're playing better. I still think they've got the

962
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: defense offensive work in progress, but DJU has improved, and

963
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to give Wake the victory here. I'm

964
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: not ready for a Wake to cover here against Clemson.

965
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: I still think Clemson's got a fair amount in the tank,

966
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: if only on defense.

967
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: The worst thing in this game is the Wake Forest defense,

968
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: and this is going to be the best defense Clemson

969
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: play or Wake Forest plays all year. I like Clemson here.

970
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: I like Clemson almost comfortably, and I like Wake. I

971
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: think Wake's been a terrific story and super fun to watch.

972
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: But if Wake's not able to consistently do Wake things

973
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: and they merely score like they how many points do

974
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: you need to score now because every team has been

975
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: scoring forty to fifty points against Wake. It's just not

976
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: a sustainable way to beat a decent team, which I

977
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: think Clemson is. So I'm going Clemson here to win

978
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: this game. Thirty one twenty four We agree.

979
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: Twelve o'clock ACC Network Florida State at Boston College. Boston

980
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: College favored by two and a half. Boston College my

981
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: third and final lock of the week block of the week,

982
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: giving you three dragons this week, Dan Florida State riding

983
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: high after the comeback against their hated rival Miami. Mike

984
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: Norvell Man, we talk about Sam Pittman in the job

985
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: he's done. Mike Norvell putting this thing back on the

986
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: tracks after an h and florest start should not be overlooked.

987
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: That has really been an admirable job that he has done.

988
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Their issue, though, is that they've got to win out

989
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: to make a bowl game, and I look, they've got

990
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: Boston College this week. I think they close out with Florida.

991
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: Those are two winnable games, I think by any measure,

992
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: especially with where Florida's at right now. Who knows where

993
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Florida's at right now. I do think there is serious

994
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: letdown potential here though, And I also think that this

995
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: is a totally different Boston College team after the return

996
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: of Phil dr Kovic, and I don't know if that's

997
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: been factored into this point. Spread.

998
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: I hear you, and I like Boston College too. Here

999
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Eagles. The only thing that does concern

1000
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: me is a very specific matchup of Boston College can't

1001
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: stop anybody on the ground, and Florida State runs the

1002
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: hell out of the run, especially when Jordan Travis is

1003
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 2: back there. So that is concerning to me that even

1004
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: Florida State not playing well, can rip off three big.

1005
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: Runs and I will win the game.

1006
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to BC here just because of the emotional

1007
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: swing of beating Miami the way that they did. Going

1008
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: to play a healthy or more impressive Boston College team,

1009
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: give me BC here.

1010
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Two thirty NBC Georgia Tech at Notre Dame. Notre Dame favorite,

1011
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: but I don't even know how much your favorite by

1012
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: At this point I had sixteen. I think it's probably

1013
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: close to seventeen seventeen and a half. Now Tech is

1014
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: three and seven on the year. They've lost their last

1015
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: four against Virginia. Virginia Tech, Miami and BC. It is

1016
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: not a situation where they're getting blown out though, right,

1017
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: And I think if I were forced to pick, I

1018
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: would probably take the points here. Why was that Notre

1019
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: Dame wins comfortably. Notre Dame wins by seventeen, but that's

1020
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: right around that number. I'm not confident enough to place

1021
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: any real American dollars on this. I just I think

1022
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: it's a game where Tech could find ways to score

1023
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: and hang around even if Notre Dame's got him at

1024
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: arm's length. This feels like a backdoor cover kind of

1025
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: game to me. So Notre Dame wins comfortably. Notre Dame

1026
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: continues on its trajectory. Who knows what happens with Kyle

1027
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: Hamilton moving forward. I saw that per our friend Pete

1028
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Sampson at the fel Brian Kelly basically acknowledged that Hamilton's

1029
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year. Whether that includes

1030
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: any postseason remains to be seen. But you know, that's

1031
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: kind of a separate issue altogether. Notre Dame wins. I

1032
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: just don't know if they cover Georgia.

1033
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: Tech has been weirdly very impressive on the road this year. Yeah,

1034
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame is covered at home. They've won four

1035
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: out of five as a home favorite this year, but

1036
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: or covered as four out of five times. Georgia Tech

1037
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: is interesting because they can run the hell out of

1038
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: the ball. They've got two backs there. I just I

1039
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 2: don't see a way over the course of a game.

1040
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: Man, What did you say it's at right now? It's

1041
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: like seventeen points. That's a lot.

1042
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 2: I think I'm inclined to take Georgia Tech.

1043
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of points.

1044
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: This has a good deal of backdoor cover and Notre

1045
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: Dame not playing its starters up twenty one in the

1046
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: fourth quarter.

1047
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: And oh, they're gonna play checks, They're gonna play starters,

1048
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and run it up as best they can.

1049
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: But sure, I just Tech hasn't really gotten blown out.

1050
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: No, And they've been competitive on the road. We saw

1051
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: the game against Clemson. It was about fourteen to eight

1052
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: in a kind of a storm. But they beat Duke

1053
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: on the road, which whatever it's Duke. But also on

1054
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: the road, we're talking about one possession loss to Virginia.

1055
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: We're talking about a three point lost at Miami, and

1056
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: I think that's it. But still like they've come to

1057
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: play they play up to these opponents.

1058
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to take those points. Three point thirty ABC.

1059
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: Nebraska at Wisconsin was constant favored by nine and a half.

1060
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: The line has gone down. Originally Wisconsin was favored by

1061
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I do think that this is

1062
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: a different Wisconsin team than the one that started one

1063
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: to three. They have gotten better. They've won six in

1064
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: a row. Defense has not given up more than fourteen

1065
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: points since October. First week of October. I think this

1066
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: is something like twenty eight seventeen. It's right around that number.

1067
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: But I do trust that Wisconsin defense more than I

1068
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: trust anything else on the field.

1069
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just when I look at the quarterbacks Wisconsin,

1070
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's Aidan O'Connell and who right in that

1071
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: with six game win streak. It's Illinois Army, Iowa Rutgers

1072
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: like they've taken care of business as a good team should. Nebraska, though,

1073
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: to me, there is a take your pick of Mike

1074
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: Tyson's punch out opponent quality too. Like everybody gets Nebraska

1075
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 2: struggles with Nebraska. It's relatively close. They beat Nebraska. They're

1076
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: the Soda Popinski, the Bald Bull, the Don Flamenco whoever

1077
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: it is King hippo, right, Well, maybe a king hippo

1078
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: is the most apt because, like you know, there's a

1079
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: very specific way of beating Nebraska. Let's just get them

1080
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: in a close game and you beat.

1081
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: Them, right, So.

1082
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the points here. I think Nebraska fights valiantly.

1083
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: They lose by five or six, three thirty Big ten Network,

1084
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: Michigan minus fourteen and a half on the road at Maryland.

1085
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: I played the trap sound on the recap show. I'll

1086
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: play this one now, Oh loud, don sandwich. I'm so hungry,

1087
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm so hungry. Oh boy, we both thought Michigan looked

1088
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: damn impressive last week against Penn State. I'm elated to

1089
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: watch them play Ohio State in a week and a half.

1090
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: That's how of recording, because it is an incredible rivalry.

1091
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: I do worry that the Wolverines also share in MyH

1092
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: elation and my anticipation, and that perhaps they may be

1093
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: looking ahead here. Meanwhile, the Terps, the Terps can get

1094
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: to a ball by beating Michigan or by beating Rutgers

1095
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: yeah next week. To be honest, that does frighten me.

1096
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: They're just far too mistake prone and I'm not convinced

1097
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Maryland does not stink just a little bit. Yeah, the

1098
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: only reason you take the points here, the only reason

1099
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: you have any faith in Maryland is because you're concerned

1100
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: about that look ahead factor on the Michigan side, generally speaking,

1101
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: If that's your only reason, that's not a good enough

1102
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: reason for me. Yeah, they're gonna have a real challenge

1103
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: here stopping the Michigan ground game in whatever version that

1104
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: takes on here. I want to take the points. I

1105
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: can't take the points. My heart of heart tells me

1106
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: that Maryland really stinks. They may beat Rutgers, they may

1107
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: go to a bowl game, but they're not good enough

1108
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: to contend in a game like this. They haven't done

1109
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: anything impressive all year against a good team, so situationally,

1110
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: it's weird for Michigan. But I'm laying the number. Give

1111
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: me Michigan.

1112
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: I think Michigan's gonna win this game by a bajillion points.

1113
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: Lock of the Week, play the sound.

1114
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: Block of the week.

1115
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: We need to talk about how good Maryland is at losing.

1116
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: We they are an elite loser.

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: Ty.

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00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: They lose fifty one to fourteen, sixty six to seventeen,

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00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: thirty four to sixteen to a Minnesota team who like

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Speaker 2: basically otherwise hasn't found offense, thirty one to fourteen to

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: Penn State, twenty one to Michigan State. They're not losing

1122
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: at the gun tye. They're not losing after it being

1123
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: tied at halftime and just fading in the second half.

1124
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: They are an elite, elite loser, and that's who Michigan

1125
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: traditionally under Jim Harbaugh. He's happy to run it, take

1126
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 2: advantage of turnovers, which, by the way, Maryland loves turning

1127
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: the ball over. As an elite loser, these are teams

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01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: that Michigan is built to beat forty five to eleven. So, yeah,

1129
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: Michigan's going to destroy Maryland because that's what Maryland serves

1130
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: up to teams. Confidence, right, yeah, statistics, that's what Maryland does.

1131
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: And so I just don't see away. And you're right

1132
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: that it's a look ahead spot. And you're right that

1133
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 2: Maryland can get ball edgible eligible because of their kind

1134
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: of ghastly opening four games.

1135
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: No, Michigan.

1136
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: By the way, a lot of Jody's friends are Michigan

1137
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: people because that's where she went to and Maryland people

1138
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: and they had a friend Merge group. They had a

1139
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: merge group. They call their friend group the Merge the Merge.

1140
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of Turps and Wolverines. So I always

1141
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: think of that when this matchup happens, because there's not

1142
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: that much more to think about.

1143
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: Moving on, four o'clock, let's go to Louisiana against Liberty. Yeah,

1144
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: Liberty favored by four. I'm on Louisiana here. Yep. Like

1145
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: you said on the recap show, everyone just sort of

1146
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 1: forgot about Louisiana after that Texas game. So Louisiana plus

1147
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: the points for me.

1148
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Louisiana has done a fantastic job since that Texas game.

1149
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: And again, this is defense travels and Okay, even though

1150
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: Malik Willis should be able to get his I just

1151
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: think they're gonna make too many plays on defense.

1152
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: UAB versus UTSA UTSA favored by four and a half.

1153
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: UTSA a cool eighty percent against the spread. This year.

1154
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: They are at home. Last week was a little bit

1155
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: of a slip up. They did have to come back

1156
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: against Southern Miss. Southern Miss is not very good, but

1157
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: I do think the road Runners. Please play this sound

1158
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: if you have it. Thank you, Dan, I think the

1159
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: Roadrunners are up for this one. They cover four and

1160
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: a half.

1161
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: This is another example of defense traveling. It's also very

1162
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: difficult to go undefeated. And is this Utsa's last slip

1163
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: up potential.

1164
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: Of the season. Yeah, it is.

1165
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: This worries me this one. I'm not gonna lie tie.

1166
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm going I'm going UAB. Yeah, all right, fine.

1167
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: I like their ability to generate bigger plays. And it's

1168
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: just it's tough to go undefeated. It's tough to go

1169
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: from being pretty decent and promising to twelve and oh,

1170
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm going UAB to be that team.

1171
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: You just need to be like James Franklin, have that

1172
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: one to no mentality, Dan, it's what does it?

1173
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: I guess so, I guess so, but uh yeah, it's

1174
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: I think Dwayne McBride.

1175
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: Right for U A B. Yeah, yeah, all right, he's good.

1176
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: Four flock watched a little bit of him on Fox

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: U C l A minus three against USC. Can you

1178
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: give me that, Tracy Chapman, can you give me that

1179
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: one good reason? What is that reason to take the

1180
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: Trojans in this game? Don't have it?

1181
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's a rivalry game and the uniform matchup

1182
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: is incredible because they both wear their home like the

1183
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: Reds and the baby Blues. That that's a good reason.

1184
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: It's always good to be a USC trojan and beat Ucla.

1185
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: That always has to feel good and be motivating. But

1186
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: USC's current head coach is Dante Williams, and all he

1187
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: does is lose, So that's not true. He's won a couple.

1188
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to Ucla here. I'm wanting Ucla to win

1189
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: this one comfortably.

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01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,479
Speaker 1: That is actually double lock of the week. How about

1191
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: that lock of the week. You have three current locks.

1192
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: I went triple barrel. You have double barrel right now.

1193
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1194
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: It's like we are entering a bagel shop tie. Lots

1195
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: of locks, lots of locks.

1196
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 1: Continue. We agree, all right, very quickly, let's get through

1197
01:03:54,960 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: the last four. Very interesting point spread here, very interesting.

1198
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: It's as high as I can go. Five thirty f

1199
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: s one Baylor minus one on the road at K State.

1200
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: Originally K State was favored by one. The line is

1201
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: shifted to the Baylor side, but still point spread lurking

1202
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: very conspicuously at just one point. Dan Baylor also falls

1203
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: into that category of having its student body rush the

1204
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: field not once, but twice, true to Lincoln Riley's chagrin

1205
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: last week in the upset victory over the Oklahoma Sooners,

1206
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Dan uh we.

1207
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: Got, I'm going k State here. They've looked good of late.

1208
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 2: They've good looked good as of late. They've won games.

1209
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 2: They I mean, they run the hell.

1210
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: Out of the ball.

1211
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: They've got a good quarterback. The receivers have developed nicely

1212
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: this year for kse State. And you're right, it's a

1213
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: letdown spot on the road at night ish because of

1214
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: what it's about. A five thirty kick, but it's not

1215
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Die, so it's gonna be nighttime in Manhattan.

1216
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: I just think it's difficult. It's a difficult spot situationally

1217
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: for Baylor. I think Kansas State comes through. They do

1218
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: enough well that I'm just gonna go with the home

1219
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: team against a team in a letdown spot.

1220
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Baylor. I'm walking into a trap and

1221
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: I know it. It's super trappy. I'm going against the

1222
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: theory that I just made up earlier in the show.

1223
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: That's how you can tell it's the real one.

1224
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: But case it's been good upfront. I worry that Baylor

1225
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: has to win this on the arm of Gary Bohannon.

1226
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: That scares me a little bit. On the road in

1227
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: the little Apple.

1228
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Baylor. Have it helped me. I may

1229
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: be walking into a trap. Seven PMSPN Auburn minus seven

1230
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: and a half on the road at South Carolina. Bo

1231
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: nicks out the rest of the year, got hurt last

1232
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: week hurt. The anchors had surgery. So he's done, which

1233
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: is a bummer for them. Auburn is still favored by

1234
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: obviously a little bit over a touchdown. TJ. Finley, I

1235
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: believe getting the start for the Auburn Tigers South Carolina,

1236
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: I think a win away from Bowl eligibility. So what

1237
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: say you, Dan, Auburn's still just going.

1238
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: To shout out Phoenix, shout out France. I'm going with

1239
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: Auburn here. I still think they are going to be

1240
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 2: amped up for this game. It's on the road. I

1241
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: just don't think South Carolina.

1242
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: Is especially good.

1243
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: No and an underthink express. Auburn should still be able

1244
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: to move the ball, should still be able to get stops.

1245
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: South Carolina eventually will become competitive. I don't think they

1246
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: are in this spot.

1247
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: I agree. Moving on seven point thirty ACC Network Virginia

1248
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: Tech now without Justin vou and te oh Yeah, on

1249
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: the road at Miami, Miami favored by seven. I do

1250
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: think Miami is the better team. My problem is they've

1251
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: got this glaring propensity dan to play every game close's

1252
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: and also, you mentioned something last week that's one hundred

1253
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: percent true. They may not be that well coached. Miami

1254
01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: also recently fired. It's ad true. Just like a day

1255
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: prior to us hitting a record button, there is some

1256
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: open question around the status of Manny Diaz moving forward,

1257
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: if at all his fate was tied to that of

1258
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the athletic director. So a lot of administrative occult forces

1259
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: at play here. Don't know how any of them are

1260
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: going to factor in Miami minus seven.

1261
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: What say you, I'm going to Miami here, and I'm

1262
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: going to Miami because I think they're gonna be able

1263
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 2: to run the ball pretty well against Virginia Tech. And

1264
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: I understand that they've been playing games close. I understand

1265
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 2: that there is sometimes a bounce back theory after your

1266
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: head coach is let go, and it's kind of a

1267
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: refresh situation. I don't think Virginia Tech has the quarterback.

1268
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the offense to score twenty points,

1269
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: twenty four points, twenty eight points, whatever, which is what

1270
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: I think it'll take to cover against Miami, because I

1271
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 2: just I don't think they have the defense Virginia Tech does.

1272
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I'm going Miami here to win by I

1273
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: don't know, ten thirteen points.

1274
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: We agree, We agree again, yep, and finally ten thirty

1275
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: ESPN two airs Zona State minus three on the road

1276
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: in Corvallis against the Oregon State Beavers. I hate taking

1277
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: the road favorite in Pact twelve after dark. I even

1278
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: hate it more than it's ASU because I just don't

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Speaker 1: feel like I can trust them. But yep, but does

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Speaker 1: feel like a teamy bit of a mismatch here because

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Speaker 1: as opposed to some of the other programs that we

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Speaker 1: have called out that get cute and overthink it, Arizona

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 1: State could well be that true conductor of the underthink

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Speaker 1: Express because they're very good at KFG, keep f and running.

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Speaker 1: They're very good at doing that. Yeah, what do you say, KFR?

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Speaker 1: You said KFG. Yeah, I'm getting my numbers letters mixed up. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: They're very good at KFR. They're very good at keep

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Speaker 1: f and running, and I think they can do that

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Speaker 1: here against Arizona State. It's still one thing As is

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Speaker 1: very good at with Rashad White, with even Jade and Daniels.

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Speaker 1: So for as much as I hate it, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to lay the number with as you.

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Speaker 2: Taking a road favorite PAC twelve after dark, second straight

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Speaker 2: road game. Daniels hasn't been especially good on the road.

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Speaker 2: Hate it, I'm going to Oregon State here. I'm going

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Speaker 2: Oregon State here. I'll happily take the beaves in this spot.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, their run defense is not good.

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Speaker 2: Rashad White has been fantastic for ASU. No, it's too

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Speaker 2: much situationally, give me, give me Oregon State.

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Speaker 1: That is all I have. Dan, We've covered a lot

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Speaker 1: of ground here. True.

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Speaker 2: In Week twelve, should mention, by the way, it's cal

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 2: Stanford Big game, yep, Big game week. Not as big

1304
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: a game this year with the depths to which both

1305
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: of these teams have fallen, but it's still a big

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: game because it's the big game. Kansas at TCU. I

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Speaker 2: just think it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeahs competing.

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Speaker 2: It's a letdown spot for the Jayhawks for Rock Chalk,

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: but TCU is not that good and Kansas, even when

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: TCU is good. Kansas gives them trouble. It's like nine

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: coaches ago whatever. But Illinois, Iowa. I saw Burt Bilima, yep,

1313
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: covid out of this one breakthrough case. I hope he's

1314
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: all right. I hope the symptoms are not especially pronounced.

1315
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: Illinois been playing good football of late game. Could be

1316
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: quite ugly. Just I'm just telling you that it's happening.

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: Texas at West Virginia.

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect from this.

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: Would you say, be Jon Robinson out for the year?

1320
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: John Robinson dislocated elbow out?

1321
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh that sucks. I hope he heals up, because he's

1322
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: been a real bright spot for a Texas team that

1323
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkisian described as unsure if they've tuned him out.

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Speaker 1: I think yeah. I was to say, you know, I

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01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: mean not to question anyone's injury. I'm sure be Jean

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Speaker 1: Robinson's hurt, I'm not. Oh, of course he's a he's

1327
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: a competitor, But like if maybe he just hurt his arm,

1328
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, with the mouse on his computer like

1329
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: wrenching it like you would kind of understand at this

1330
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: point because it feels like flopping is What is that

1331
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: what you're implying that there's a one percent chance at

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: least that he's flopping because he doesn't like Sark. There's

1333
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: at least a one percent chance. Yeah. Wow, that that

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Speaker 1: is not at all disrespect to be John Robinson. If anything,

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Speaker 1: it's a compliment with the way this Texas season is gone. Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas West Virginia used to be. I mean, do

1337
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Speaker 2: you remember when the Will Greer game happened? Like it

1338
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 2: was such a headline like heavyweight battle, and god, has

1339
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: it fallen off just considerably. Also, Perdue Northwestern is playing

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: at Wrigley.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't.

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: Don't steal my thunder, don't steal my Sorry you asked

1343
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 2: me if anything else.

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: Don't thunder steal, don't do it. So, do you have

1345
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: like a nickname for Perdue Northwestern. We'll get to that.

1346
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: We'll get to that game. It's your final segment of

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: the day. Okay.

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: Now, I do want it to say this because I

1349
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 2: like honoring these teams and steering clear of the playoff

1350
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 2: as often as we possibly can. Because there are a

1351
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 2: number of teams that are at five games and with

1352
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: a win this weekend, they are to Bowl eligibility if

1353
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: they if they're able to come through, they're not close.

1354
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: They're there.

1355
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 2: Toledo, Miami of Ohio, Ball State, Louisville, Memphis, Wazoo, Florida, Atlantic,

1356
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Rutgers, Kent State, Georgia State, Maryland, Charlotte, Middle, Tennessee, Troy, Syria, Florida.

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Speaker 1: That's weird.

1358
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 2: And they're playing against Miszoo and they're both trying. Maszoo's

1359
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 2: at five wins as well. South Carolina, South Alabama and

1360
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: Tennessee Jaguars are playing the Balls, so they're both, you know,

1361
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: with a win, one of those teams as Bowl eligible.

1362
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech Miami playing each other as well, and Wyoming,

1363
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: who started out kind of well and then have been

1364
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: pretty terrible in Mountain West play, so at least trying

1365
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: to get to a bowl game.

1366
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: Since you're not gonna say it, can you play that

1367
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: big pulsating, stanky throat? And what happened to Purdue Northwestern?

1368
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you. It's at the end of

1369
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: the show, drumming five. Oh you snooze, you lose, dude.

1370
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: That's the way this thing works. I cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: this preview twelve o'clock ESPN plus Georgetown at Morgan State Dan.

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Speaker 1: Last week of Patriot League Action. Who you got? I

1373
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: guess Georgetown.

1374
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: They've been disappointing away from multi sport field, but I'm

1375
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: rolling with them anyway.

1376
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: We gotta go Georgetown. One last ride, Man, one last job.

1377
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: Twelve o'clock Fordham at Colgate, Dan going Gators.

1378
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: You going Fordham, Fordham Huge? Fordham, absolutely huge, give me

1379
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: the Gators.

1380
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: They're at home. Twelve o'clock Lehigh at No. Lafayette at Lehigh.

1381
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,959
Speaker 1: I screwed it up. Big game, big, big game, huge rivalry.

1382
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm going Lafayette. Man, you know why I stand in

1383
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: Lehigh this year? They're dead to me. I've oh my god,

1384
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

1385
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: Are you closer to Lehigh or Lafayette geographically?

1386
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm closer to Lehigh.

1387
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going Lafayette as well. I have to come on,

1388
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm a legacy. I'm going Lafayette. I'm going then real big,

1389
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: going them, Yeah, of course, Papa Rubinstein, Yeah, Lafayette. Lama

1390
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: a leopard, a proud leopard. And I've been told secondary

1391
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: market Tokyo Dome seat's going for a crazy price.

1392
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred bucks out into this game. It's unbelievable.

1393
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: That's great. Two bad teams but a big rivalry. Yeah,

1394
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: of course. Finally one o'clock and the music down here

1395
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: the revered Holy Cross Crosssaders on the road at Bucknell,

1396
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: the Bison, the Nellies. Mm hmm, I think we're both

1397
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: in Unison here. Gonna go with the Crosssaders.

1398
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 2: Right, definitely going Cross Saders here.

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Speaker 1: Huge final week of Patriot League games, Dan Man, what

1400
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: a ride. But not the final segment on this show. Oh,

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,759
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Speaker 1: Perdue minus eleven on the road at Northwestern and the

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Speaker 1: game is in Wrigley Field. Are you going to this game?

1405
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: You should go to this game. I love Wriglely.

1406
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: I've been to Wriggly I've I've been to a concert

1407
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: at Regular I've been to Cubs games at Wrigley alas

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: I will be watching other games during this game.

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: Come on, man, take the little man over to Wrigley.

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Speaker 2: If I had to again, this is the Draft Kings

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Speaker 2: wager on how long I could last at a college

1413
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 2: football game with a two and a half year old

1414
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: before he demanded to leave or do something.

1415
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: Else over under ten and a half minutes.

1416
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: If I could get a series out of both of

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01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: these schools, I would be shocked. I would be shocked.

1418
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,759
Speaker 2: I would have to ply him with so many ice

1419
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: cream cones and popcorn contained like it would not work.

1420
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: So now I could not make that happen this year.

1421
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: We have barely talked about Northwestern this season, true, and

1422
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: that's partially because their old defensive coordinator, Mike Hankwitz, retired

1423
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: after the season. Jim O'Neil came over from the NFL,

1424
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, they have not been very good. To

1425
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: be fair, they've also been very bad on offense too.

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: I have got perdue winning and covering in this road

1427
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: game in historic Wriggley Field. I think Purdue wins by

1428
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: a thirty one to fourteen final Dan, Yeah, I think perdue.

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: What's the line again? DraftKings right now has it at

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Speaker 2: Perdue minus eleven at time of recording. Can I get

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Speaker 1: Both? Now?

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01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to Pat Fitzgerald and and David Shaw are

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: going to make this year for the results that they're

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Speaker 2: getting from these elite academic institutions. They're making ten plus

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: million dollars total, making fifteen plus million, Like it's something wild.

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01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's been a down year for Northwestern.

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01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: I would be happy to wager money against them. By

1440
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: the way, Northwestern against the spread this year? Do you

1441
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: know what they are? Like?

1442
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: Two and eight, aren't they? Northwestern's three and seven? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so brutal.

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Speaker 2: You made a lot of money betting against teams like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if your team has a huge win, you

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Speaker 2: those early shows with you. I love doing the Brune.

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Speaker 2: The Brune. We get to weird places, not that we're

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Speaker 2: already not at a weird place with play out, dude,

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Speaker 2: let it play out, Let it play out. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: so I'll post some not so sad slices in the

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Speaker 1: How about that for that guy over there, the pizza

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