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Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, January twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, season seventeen, episode number one oh one.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. It is
Speaker 1: my break. Every once a week I get to actually
Speaker 1: get away from the business of the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: come spend an hour talking Cowboys football with you guys.
Speaker 1: So it's fun. This is my fun part of the week.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to have these guys. Women, got Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave and Amber all joining me, and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: some fun today. We're gonna start this and I actually
Speaker 1: wanted to do this. I know we were at the
Speaker 1: one hundred and one episode, so I don't know there
Speaker 1: are any players that have ever won one on one.
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna flip this
Speaker 1: a little bit in the off season. It's the off season,
Speaker 1: so we can talk about a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna start each show going around the table.
Speaker 1: We're gonna let everyone kind of give us one story,
Speaker 1: one story in all sports. It can be football related,
Speaker 1: Cowboys related, it could be about baseball, basketball, it could
Speaker 1: be your college whatever, one story from the previous week,
Speaker 1: since the last time we were on the air that
Speaker 1: you found most intriguing. So let's go around the table
Speaker 1: and do that to get us going here today. And Nick,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you. M Well, obviously there's other
Speaker 1: NFL stuff. I mean, like it's hard to branch out
Speaker 1: with other stuff. But actually I just switched. I just
Speaker 1: switched in the last five seconds. That's you, Seriously, that
Speaker 1: is me. That is you. You know when you watch
Speaker 1: baseball and you just you know, you grow ape of
Speaker 1: the guys you remember like it's it's complete bs, it
Speaker 1: really is. They need to fix what's going on in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame because the guys that were the
Speaker 1: greatest players are the guys that should be in there.
Speaker 1: And I understand they messed up Baseball messed up. They
Speaker 1: they I mean, you can't come back and if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, policemen don't know if if there's
Speaker 1: no speed limit right here, you can't come back and go, well,
Speaker 1: you look like you were speeding. Well you should have
Speaker 1: been back there trying to you. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: figuring out. I think it's a it's a shame that
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGuire, Pete Rose or not
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That is absolutely ridiculous to me,
Speaker 1: because the Major League Baseball made a mistake and then
Speaker 1: they're gonna try back and we think we're gonna clean
Speaker 1: it up. I think it's ridiculous. And I switched it. It
Speaker 1: It was gonna be about Lebron James, and then I
Speaker 1: just moved it to that. Now I've actually think that
Speaker 1: was very timely, and I agree with you by the way.
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm not a big baseball fan, but
Speaker 1: if I were taking my son to the Baseball Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, I would want to be able to walk
Speaker 1: through that thing and tell him all the stories of
Speaker 1: the guys that are there. And if you're going to
Speaker 1: do that without Barry Bonds, I just I don't even
Speaker 1: understand how you start that conversation I've always I've always
Speaker 1: thought that that, and I mean, it happens in football too,
Speaker 1: Like the people who vote for these guys play favorites.
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds was never really well liked by the media.
Speaker 1: He was kind of gruff, and some of that was
Speaker 1: brought on by him by his own actions. Sure, but
Speaker 1: but if you're one of the best to ever do it,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't matter if you were a jerk, right, shouldn't
Speaker 1: matter If I'm David ortiz is tested positive for steroids
Speaker 1: at one point during his career. Yeah, he's also he's
Speaker 1: why he's widely beloved, and I just I hate that. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I just I've never liked that. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was right, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: pay super close attension to baseball either. I didn't realize, like,
Speaker 1: if you don't make it after enough ballots, you're just done. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me that Barry Bonds just won't
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. That's I mean, that's insane.
Speaker 1: And when you think of the guys that are like
Speaker 1: Jeff Kent or Andrew Jones, you're like, stop, just stop,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well, Andrew Jones, I think I
Speaker 1: had a good case for the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: like he's somebody that deserves consideration. It has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him, Yeah, just like people's unwillingness to vote
Speaker 1: for Barry Bonds because he probably cheated at a time
Speaker 1: when everyone else did too and was a jerk. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's basically what it comes down to him. Like, um,
Speaker 1: he's the best hitter of a baseball I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and by the way, was a pretty damn good fielder
Speaker 1: before he ever took and I left elicit I left
Speaker 1: two guys out of that. I mean Sammy Sosa and
Speaker 1: Mark McGuire. Those guys absolutely I think took baseball to
Speaker 1: a different level in nineteen ninety eight. As a non
Speaker 1: baseball fan, I was following that, like you, if you
Speaker 1: were a sports fan, you were following that every day,
Speaker 1: every day, who was getting more home run? Like it
Speaker 1: was a fun summer of baseball. And I just yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean, again, telling the story of baseball,
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to do it without those guys.
Speaker 1: Longer than I thought, well, that's what this segment is
Speaker 1: gonna be mine? Is Mine's really tied into what we
Speaker 1: talk about here, So we can get back on track.
Speaker 1: If you went to I mean you know where I'm from. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can quantify if you're not. If
Speaker 1: you're not from there and you don't follow them, I
Speaker 1: don't think you can quantify what Sean Payton did for
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. It's for the city of New
Speaker 1: word for the city. And I want to be clear,
Speaker 1: like so much more went into fixing New Orleans after
Speaker 1: Katrina than the Saints being good at football. But it
Speaker 1: was a big, big deal at it. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about a team I looked this up before we
Speaker 1: came on when you told me we were going to
Speaker 1: talk about from their founding in sixty seven to when
Speaker 1: he got hired, they made the playoffs four times. It
Speaker 1: took them until four, not forty. And by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of those were under Jim Morrow, when they
Speaker 1: were sharing in division with like the Walsh forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: and it was like, cute, you made the playoffs, Like
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere. They didn't win their first playoff
Speaker 1: game until the year two thousand and Again, they were
Speaker 1: a they won a wildcard game and then got smoked
Speaker 1: like they weren't they weren't really a deserving team, And
Speaker 1: so put all that in context. Two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: the city gets destroyed by a hurricane. The franchise is
Speaker 1: like the epitome of a joke. Like teammates are robbing
Speaker 1: each other in the locker room, getting in fights. There's
Speaker 1: rumors that the owner wants to move the team to
Speaker 1: San Antonio, which, now that I've worked here for a while,
Speaker 1: I was like, how is that ever going to happen?
Speaker 1: But when you're living in a flooded out city for
Speaker 1: the worst team in the world that just finished playing
Speaker 1: its season at LSU Stadium, You're like, yeah, who would
Speaker 1: want to keep a team here? This is a joke?
Speaker 1: And Sean Payton comes in and they've been to the
Speaker 1: playoffs nine times one. He's got a nine and eight
Speaker 1: playoff record. They've been to they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They're in the playoffs like all the time. He won
Speaker 1: seven division titles. They made it four years in a row.
Speaker 1: Probably they got robbed. They should have made the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl in twenty eighteen, and it's twenty twenty one. Now,
Speaker 1: if you were born in the year two thousand, all
Speaker 1: you've known is the New Orleans Saints being like one
Speaker 1: of the model franchises in the NFL, and those of
Speaker 1: us that are older than that know how insane that is.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy. And so I got emotional is not
Speaker 1: the right word, but like I listened to his whole
Speaker 1: press conference yesterday and I was like, this is surreal,
Speaker 1: because I mean, him and Breeze got there when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, and now it's it feels over like there's
Speaker 1: nobody left from when they first got there except maybe
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis the GM. But yeah, it's just it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk a little bit later in the
Speaker 1: show about that little bit more just about where he
Speaker 1: stands in the coaching hierarchy. But um, yeah, we are
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about it. But one of
Speaker 1: the things I thought should be I thought that I
Speaker 1: thought it was a timely mention just based on my
Speaker 1: Twitter mentions. Maybe, but I do think what gets lost
Speaker 1: sometimes and it's because of what you just said. Most
Speaker 1: young people at this point, I'm thinking anybody that's your
Speaker 1: age or younger, probably younger much younger than you, even um,
Speaker 1: they probably look at Drew Brees and what they know
Speaker 1: if Drew Brees is, oh my god, Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. That was not Drew Brees. When he got
Speaker 1: to New Orleans. Drew Brees was coming out of San Diego,
Speaker 1: where Nick I asked you this yesterday. We remember because
Speaker 1: we went up there, always went up there and played
Speaker 1: San Diego in San Diego, and I remember watching him
Speaker 1: walk off the field with the Danian Tomlinson. We were
Speaker 1: standing in the under the stadium, and wasn't that big
Speaker 1: a guy. He was a pretty good quarterback, but he
Speaker 1: was coming off shoulder surgery. Miami was kind of flirting
Speaker 1: with him, but they didn't go that route, and so
Speaker 1: he was not this highly coveted free agent. He was
Speaker 1: a guy that that look like Sean Payton decided, hey,
Speaker 1: I can do something with this guy, got in there
Speaker 1: and turned him into Hall of Fame Drew Bridge. It's
Speaker 1: a long it's ninety minutes. I don't know who has
Speaker 1: time to go listen to it unless you're just a
Speaker 1: die hard Saints fan. But Sean Payton was about as like,
Speaker 1: candid and emotional as I've ever heard. He told so
Speaker 1: many cool stories. One of which being and I mean,
Speaker 1: I've known this for a long time, but they had
Speaker 1: to aggressively outbid everyone for Breeze, not knowing for sure
Speaker 1: that he would ever throw the same way ever again
Speaker 1: because he tore his labram. But they were just like,
Speaker 1: we won't get him otherwise, nobody's signing up to come here.
Speaker 1: There's still water in half the city like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think about. And he had a story
Speaker 1: in his press conference about how like it wasn't until
Speaker 1: week three of the ensuing season he made like a
Speaker 1: back shoulder throw to Marcus Colston in Cleveland or something,
Speaker 1: and he was like, that's when I felt confident that
Speaker 1: he would be able to throw again. It's like, you
Speaker 1: weren't sure until week two, Like forget training camp and
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, you could get right. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's the greatest free agent signing in the history of
Speaker 1: professional sports probably. I mean, when you just think about
Speaker 1: all of the impact that I wound up having. All right, Amber, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't have as a passionate story as these guys did,
Speaker 1: but uh, I mean a lot of things happened this
Speaker 1: weekend in sports around and even in the NFL. All
Speaker 1: these crazy games. But to be honest, if I'm just
Speaker 1: being candidate, mine is pretty simple. One thing that this
Speaker 1: turned out to me was what happened with Green Bay
Speaker 1: and the Packers, because you know, we come on here
Speaker 1: and we talk and Nick is one that talks about
Speaker 1: it all the time. Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, but you
Speaker 1: two you have mentioned it. He's great, he's great, But
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys are going to face him, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's something we all agree on. I don't treat
Speaker 1: him like Lucy. I'm I'm usually the one that treats
Speaker 1: him like Yoda or Obi Wan, whatever you want to say.
Speaker 1: My point being is it was one of those things
Speaker 1: that it just takes me back to the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: think of that and thinking like, man, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys were great or that I expected them
Speaker 1: to really step it up in the playoffs, but when
Speaker 1: you see little things like that and then Tom Brady losing,
Speaker 1: little things like that, guys that you put them up
Speaker 1: here and then they lose, and then you're like, man,
Speaker 1: you never know what kind of magic could have happened
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and how far they could have gone
Speaker 1: with like a guy like Aaron Rodgers already out of
Speaker 1: the race, and just things like that that leads me
Speaker 1: back to how sad this season ended. You know, that
Speaker 1: does bring up an interesting question, and I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of people talking about this on Twitter as they
Speaker 1: were watching those games. Was there anything that you saw
Speaker 1: last weekend that made you think differently about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: or made you wonder, like, man, that was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: Was there anything that you saw last weekend that just
Speaker 1: kind of made you think differently? Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: applaud the NFL for growth. You know, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: get better and you improve on things even if you
Speaker 1: make mistakes. I love that how a week later, the
Speaker 1: NFL has figured out that, you know, maybe the back
Speaker 1: judge can can spot the ball. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the umpire to run in sixty yards.
Speaker 1: I mean, if this was closer to the back judge,
Speaker 1: you got seven on the field and four others and
Speaker 1: then a wholes you know in New York sitting there
Speaker 1: as well. So the closest one of the ball that
Speaker 1: can tuckle do it, especially in a frantic moment. Then
Speaker 1: nobody has to come running in and tackle the quarterback
Speaker 1: and bull rush people down and waste some seconds. I
Speaker 1: thought it was great by the NFL for able to
Speaker 1: do that. A one week later, it's awesome for them.
Speaker 1: Kudos I better much. No, No, I think it's great.
Speaker 1: We're looking for growth. I mean, you know, Dez makes
Speaker 1: the catch and he goes down and he moves the
Speaker 1: ball here, and then all of a sudden, three years later,
Speaker 1: they say, you know what that was, Rumbo drops the
Speaker 1: snap in Seattle, you know, a block of ice coming
Speaker 1: back there, and all of a sudden, the league says,
Speaker 1: you know what, we need to control their our own
Speaker 1: ball boys here. We don't need to let our own
Speaker 1: you know, Seattle's ball boys control what kind of ball
Speaker 1: Let's do our the NFL, you know. So it's cool
Speaker 1: these playoff losses. They're just changing rules for the NFL.
Speaker 1: You gotta love it. It was well said. That was good. Um.
Speaker 1: I just think watching watching these games, I think in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, you gotta be able to get home with
Speaker 1: four pass rushers. Yeah, that's that was what I took away,
Speaker 1: And that's yeah. San Francisco did the same thing to
Speaker 1: Green Bay that they did to Dallas. Obviously, the weather
Speaker 1: didn't help, but Rogers wasn't comfortable. I think he got
Speaker 1: sacked three times, rushed a lot more than that, obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean Tampa ll excuse me, LA made Brady look
Speaker 1: awful because he didn't have time. Von Miller and von
Speaker 1: Miller and Aaron Donald combined for like seventeen pressures in
Speaker 1: that game, and he got he got sacked three times
Speaker 1: as well. That's somebody was like, which, again, I get it,
Speaker 1: you're frustrated this time what we saw from Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen. I don't even know what to say
Speaker 1: to that. Seasons and and and the best quarterback performances
Speaker 1: I've seen all season, and I just think you have
Speaker 1: to come to the very painful realization that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't if you're hoping for your quarterback to be
Speaker 1: that good luck, I just I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: You know, those guys are unicorns. But somebody was like,
Speaker 1: all I saw all weekend was quarterbacks getting the job
Speaker 1: done when Dak Prescott couldn't. And I'm like, not to
Speaker 1: let those guys, not to let him off the hook.
Speaker 1: But I saw Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers looking mortal
Speaker 1: as hell when faced with pass rushes that their offensive
Speaker 1: line couldn't handle. It's football unless you have a six
Speaker 1: five rocket launcher who can run of four five. Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: I probably owe him an apology. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was I didn't think he would translate to the NFL.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. It just I'm a big believer, like,
Speaker 1: even if you're not a finished product in college, I
Speaker 1: think you should lift your team and just obviously be
Speaker 1: the best person on the field. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was that guy. I certainly didn't think he was capable
Speaker 1: of playing at the level we've seen over the last
Speaker 1: month of this season. I know Herbert has something to
Speaker 1: say about this, but I just feel I've said it
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I feel like that it's like
Speaker 1: Manning versus Brady every year, you know, with those two.
Speaker 1: But I mean Herbert will have you know, he'll be
Speaker 1: in the conversation as well, but he'll need better guys
Speaker 1: around him. And those teams are great and then they're good.
Speaker 1: What's your well? I honestly it was. It was the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I actually had a couple of different thoughts coming
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs, and I'll just run these down
Speaker 1: for you. The first one was Joe Burrow and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: They're playing with house money at this point, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of that team, even though you've
Speaker 1: not had experienced this probably in your lifetime, then the
Speaker 1: beautiful part about it is you're well ahead of schedule.
Speaker 1: So I love what I'm saying from that team, and
Speaker 1: they've kind of become my darling team now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of rooting for the Other thing I thought about is
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of talk about Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and what they're gonna do with him this offseason, and
Speaker 1: I started looking at some of the money and Nick,
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this yesterday. Did you guys
Speaker 1: know that basically it's twenty seven million dollars of dead
Speaker 1: money if the green Bay Packers trade him or release him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding where all the conversation is coming from
Speaker 1: that he's not gonna be a green Bay Packer unless
Speaker 1: he's gonna retire, right. I just don't see how how
Speaker 1: Green Bay's gonna make that work. You're gonna, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have twenty seven million of dead money to not
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers. I just don't see how that's gonna work,
Speaker 1: you know, And so all the talk that's out there
Speaker 1: about where's he gonna be next year, to me, it's
Speaker 1: pretty clear he's either gonna be in Green Bay or
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on his couch, one of the two.
Speaker 1: It's ironic to me that they probably pissed him off
Speaker 1: when they drafted a first round quarterback. Uh. It's the
Speaker 1: ironic part of it is is that the Packers did
Speaker 1: the exact same thing to Brett Farve to draft him,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of weird. It was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not done, I'm still gonna play, and so it is.
Speaker 1: It is weird. I wouldn't have done it if I
Speaker 1: was Green Bay, I'd give the guy help. He's still great,
Speaker 1: He's still he's still he's gonna win MVP. Yeah, like this,
Speaker 1: they should have helped him more, and that is probably
Speaker 1: what started it all. I don't know. But that's also
Speaker 1: where I look at him and I'm like, dude, you
Speaker 1: did the same thing was done for you. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: why are you really that upset? Like you've obviously seen
Speaker 1: this franchise will do that and they've had success doing it,
Speaker 1: Like they're one of the few franchises had that level
Speaker 1: of quarterback play for that long period of time, and
Speaker 1: it's reflected in their ability to win that Actually, it
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was going to say, which
Speaker 1: some people came at me for this opinion, because I
Speaker 1: get it, like, you want to to be the best,
Speaker 1: you gotta beat the best. But if Rogers is potentially
Speaker 1: mulling retirement and Brady sounds like he's mulling retirement, you
Speaker 1: look around all the quarterback talent in the NFL's in
Speaker 1: the AFC right now, like it's loaded over there, and
Speaker 1: then you look at the NFC and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's still a good player. That situation is not ideal.
Speaker 1: But if those two or even one of them retires,
Speaker 1: the actually like the best quarterback in the NFC rights
Speaker 1: And that's not even a stretch to say Arizona and Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Kyler's there and I Stafford's still playing. I
Speaker 1: get that. I should say he's in the conversation at least.
Speaker 1: And then I just Nick brought it up with Herbert,
Speaker 1: like I feel so bad for anybody that's got to
Speaker 1: figure out how to consistently win in the AFC knowing
Speaker 1: that Alan and Mahomes are like twenty six, Burrows twenty five,
Speaker 1: Herbert's younger than that. Good Luck Raiders, Lamar Jackson's only
Speaker 1: twenty five. It feels like Lamar's been in the league forever,
Speaker 1: but he's only twenty five. I just think they got
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterback talent that at conference. I know it.
Speaker 1: They're going to change the Pro Bowl format once again.
Speaker 1: That right there is gonna change it because it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like these three quarterbacks made it like you know,
Speaker 1: like Herbert and whatever, and then all these Lamar's out
Speaker 1: like seriously, and then all of a sudden, the a
Speaker 1: in the NFC, you know you got I mean, Kyler's there,
Speaker 1: Stafford's there. Um, I'm a year from now we could
Speaker 1: be talking about justin field Lance Lance. But I just Jimmy,
Speaker 1: why I trying to run this guy out of town? Well,
Speaker 1: but you gotta also remit, admit like they didn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't didn't. They didn't play great. They had a great
Speaker 1: special teams or a couple of great special teams players
Speaker 1: they won that game for them, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's part of the game. I'm not taking anything away
Speaker 1: from them. But I think when you start talking about
Speaker 1: Jimmy g like, they probably want a little more from
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Yeah, I mean, of course they obviously
Speaker 1: already invested in You watched You watched those two games
Speaker 1: Dallas too, Jimmy tried to give the Cowboys the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch both of those games, and you're like, I
Speaker 1: understand why you're good enough to still be playing, and
Speaker 1: I understand why your top priority in the offseason was
Speaker 1: improving your quarterback. Like it they he'll be Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 1: or he'll just be a starter for some teams until
Speaker 1: they get the young guy going. This is which is
Speaker 1: what he's doing now, you know, And it just happened
Speaker 1: to be in the championship. He won't be done. And whatever.
Speaker 1: I love a point Trey Lance takes over, somebody else
Speaker 1: will be very happy to bring him in and make
Speaker 1: them their starter. Any team that, any team that feels
Speaker 1: pretty good about their roster should want him. I mean
Speaker 1: Denver is a great example. Like if Denver, if the
Speaker 1: magical Rodgers trade doesn't happen, Denver should want Jimmy g
Speaker 1: Orleans might be absolutely market to say that's a guy
Speaker 1: we can bring in and do something. Maybe I just
Speaker 1: think the path I know it, I know it. It
Speaker 1: hurts to hear this right now. Nobody wants to hear
Speaker 1: it right now, But the path deep into the playoffs
Speaker 1: in the NFC looks so much nicer than it does
Speaker 1: in the AFC. All right, here's gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break and we come back. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about coaches. We got a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about there. There are coaches that are doing interviews, there
Speaker 1: are coaches that are being talked about in the media.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of things we're gonna discuss there.
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Speaker 1: Bortgage Studios at the Star, Let's talk coaches, and I
Speaker 1: want to start with Mike McCarthy, and I want to
Speaker 1: take us back to the final game of the season,
Speaker 1: the playoff game the Cowboys lost. My question for you, guys,
Speaker 1: it's how much blame do you give McCarthy for that? Loss.
Speaker 1: When you think about things like the delay Penley after
Speaker 1: the fake punt, the final play. How much blame do
Speaker 1: you give him for what transpired that day? Um A lot.
Speaker 1: You're the head coach, Your team wasn't ready to play,
Speaker 1: team wasn't ready. You work all year to get home
Speaker 1: field advantage. You get home field advantage. Your crowd's into it.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's not a pro forty nine ers crowd.
Speaker 1: You're in it. You know, you do everything, and then
Speaker 1: your team's flat and you noticed it, and he noticed it.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever he said, nervous, angst, whatever he said,
Speaker 1: he noticed it. And so that's that goes on him.
Speaker 1: Maybe the players just don't have it, but that's on
Speaker 1: him to get it there. And then some of those
Speaker 1: players said, I mean I throw in you know, if
Speaker 1: there's a big shiny spot on the field of sun,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't throw a crucial third down past or a
Speaker 1: receiver over there who's not wearing EyeBlack. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Throw it over here. Sorry we can't see. So I mean,
Speaker 1: like there's little things about the game. And if you're
Speaker 1: not the offens coordinator, you're a defense coordinator. You don't
Speaker 1: call the plays, then you should be doing those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's if you're a walk around head coach and you're
Speaker 1: not calling the plays. I know this is like simplistic,
Speaker 1: and sometimes memes take on a life of their own,
Speaker 1: but it sure seems. I mean, then forty nine ers
Speaker 1: didn't look nervous walking out of their locker room with
Speaker 1: that big ass boom box like swagging down the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Why why were you nervous? This is a team full
Speaker 1: of like guys in their prime, A lot, I mean
Speaker 1: lots of important members of his team have been in
Speaker 1: the playoffs before. You're playing at home? Why why are
Speaker 1: you nervous? Why? Why did you have fourteen penalties? Why?
Speaker 1: Why has that been a Jerry Jones said it amazingly
Speaker 1: last week. He was like, I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: about how we're working on penalties in the off season.
Speaker 1: Weren't we doing that when it was happening every week?
Speaker 1: And that falls I mean, that should fall on a
Speaker 1: walk around head coach who's like you look, you go
Speaker 1: look at the trends and you're like, man, we've been
Speaker 1: averaging nine penalties a game for the last month. That's
Speaker 1: not good enough. Did you see that they were nervous
Speaker 1: before the game because I didn't I didn't know Amber
Speaker 1: saw it. Thank you. Let me take him moment here,
Speaker 1: because people like to give me crap all the time
Speaker 1: anytime I make a remarked like that, Oh you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I know why my eyes
Speaker 1: are talking about. I know what I see with my eyes.
Speaker 1: And I did see a pregame the energy was just off.
Speaker 1: He just looked right before the game, Storry, while they're
Speaker 1: warming up and everything. You look at both sides of
Speaker 1: the benches the field and you see the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers I see that are about like fighting each other.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck is going on? Well, it
Speaker 1: turns out that they're pumping each other out and just
Speaker 1: like high energy. And then I look at the cowboys
Speaker 1: and they're just standing around holding a helmet, and that
Speaker 1: was basically I'm like, oh god. But going back to
Speaker 1: this your question Derek about head coach. I left last
Speaker 1: show last week's show walking out and thinking, Okay, what
Speaker 1: are really really the responsibilities of a head coach? Like
Speaker 1: what is Mike McCarthy full on? If you had to
Speaker 1: list this is what you do on a weekday and
Speaker 1: this is what you do game day that has a
Speaker 1: full on effect on how the Cowboys perform right the
Speaker 1: day of the game, as opposed to what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get at, as opposed to how the players play
Speaker 1: on the game, and then what the coordinators are doing
Speaker 1: during the game, you know what I mean, Like, what
Speaker 1: are you trying to figure out? Who's here to blame
Speaker 1: and how much blame does the heck? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the face of the whole team and has to
Speaker 1: stand up there. But as far as like duties, what
Speaker 1: are his duties exactly? Like during the course of the week,
Speaker 1: typically he oversees the like the staffs as they put
Speaker 1: their game plan together, and it's up to him to decide,
Speaker 1: like how much time he spends with who he's always
Speaker 1: He's said time and time again. He kind of lets
Speaker 1: Kellen take the lead on that, but he leans more
Speaker 1: offensively because that's his background. And most importantly, I'll say
Speaker 1: this real quick, most important I think, and this is
Speaker 1: with any leader, I think his primary responsibility is to
Speaker 1: identify and solve problems. So as he's watching his team prepares,
Speaker 1: he's watching his coaches prepare, he's identifying This was an
Speaker 1: issue last week. Let me spend a little extra time
Speaker 1: over here making sure stress the importance of what we
Speaker 1: need to do to do this. Let me go solve
Speaker 1: this problem over here. I see this is happening over here.
Speaker 1: I need to deal with this. Like that's what leadership is.
Speaker 1: So if you're a walk around he had coach to me,
Speaker 1: that's your first and most primary responsibility is identify problems
Speaker 1: and solve them because in a lot of instances, the
Speaker 1: people that are close to it may not see it
Speaker 1: and certainly may not have the answers to it. And
Speaker 1: it should be you also should allow yourself to be
Speaker 1: more of a coach for the entire team. You know,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes if you're an offense of coordinator. I
Speaker 1: think it was Homegrins teams back in the Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I remember some defensive players where are like, yeah, our
Speaker 1: offense is great. He calls the plays, he's the head coach. Defensively,
Speaker 1: didn't have the same kind of pulse, and so that's
Speaker 1: one of the things that that goes against you a
Speaker 1: little bit. So if you're a fear coach that handles everything,
Speaker 1: you should have a better pulse for the entire team.
Speaker 1: The entire roster kind of know what's going on with them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does that, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that's one of the reasons why you do that.
Speaker 1: I guess where I'm trying to get at it is too.
Speaker 1: It's like, how much do you put on Kellen versus
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy rather than people when you get on Twitter
Speaker 1: people asking oh, different head coach, different head coach versus
Speaker 1: different offensive coordinators type of stuff. You know, Well, I
Speaker 1: think I think it still goes to McCarthy because it
Speaker 1: goes back to the last year, in that game against
Speaker 1: Washington on Thanksgiving, when you know a fossil call in
Speaker 1: fake punt, it's like what you don't get to call
Speaker 1: things like yeah, I mean it's your job over here
Speaker 1: to rein him back in. So that's when you throw
Speaker 1: your UNO car Like, no, I'm trumping what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different. Yeah, like the draw too,
Speaker 1: I mean like, like, no, I don't, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I like that call. Let's think of something else,
Speaker 1: which again they say it fit within their their time frame.
Speaker 1: They say fourteen seconds. Now again, I'm not saying it's right.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he he agrees that that was no. He
Speaker 1: he backed it up in the press conference. I don't agree.
Speaker 1: Got yesterday from somebody. I think the Dallas Stars. You
Speaker 1: probably don't know this, but I think the Dallas Stars scored, like,
Speaker 1: scored fourteen seconds in in their game, and somebody tweets,
Speaker 1: we'll see they can score fourteen seconds. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: mean this the whole Chiefs thing. Thirteen seconds. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference here. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you, but I think having a timeout changes. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, that's like it's just it's pilot and
Speaker 1: just wait away and always. But that's a part of
Speaker 1: that's a part of being here. That's a part of thing.
Speaker 1: I actually want to ask you guys that question as
Speaker 1: you guys started talking about the nervousness and all that stuff, like,
Speaker 1: do you think that at some point, maybe that time
Speaker 1: time is now? Do you think at some point the
Speaker 1: pressure of playing here just becomes so heavy that because
Speaker 1: again you're talking about a team where all eyes are
Speaker 1: on this team no matter what's happening, good or bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: where you're just it's just so much. Do you think
Speaker 1: at some point it can just be so much pressure
Speaker 1: to where you are going to have a team that
Speaker 1: should be confident, but they're nervous because there's just so
Speaker 1: much pressure. Maybe not even pressure, hype too, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the double edged sword. It's all it's
Speaker 1: cool to brag about how everybody wants to watch you
Speaker 1: and you set the rating record all the time, But
Speaker 1: this team will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever ever
Speaker 1: sneak up on somebody. It just won't happen. Because the
Speaker 1: first time the Cowboys win two or three games in
Speaker 1: a row, it all like the circus comes to town.
Speaker 1: That's what they're talking about on the national talk shows.
Speaker 1: The fan base is excited. The team has to deal
Speaker 1: with that. So I mean, I think it's pressure. I
Speaker 1: think it's just notoriety, for lack of a better word,
Speaker 1: like it's fitting because this is what the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers were. Like, the forty nine ers snuck into the
Speaker 1: playoffs and everybody was like, don't think you want to
Speaker 1: play this team that'll never be the Cowboys ever. And
Speaker 1: I think that matters. I think history continues to prove
Speaker 1: that that matters. It's not always the reason why they
Speaker 1: come up short in these situations, but I don't think
Speaker 1: it helps. Yeah, I think they're gonna have to be
Speaker 1: number one or number seven to get to a championship
Speaker 1: game or past. And I do think at seven that's
Speaker 1: the best way you're gonna do it. As kind of
Speaker 1: be the wildcard team and didn't win the division, but
Speaker 1: you're pretty good and now you get your pieces back
Speaker 1: together and you know you win this game, but the
Speaker 1: pressure you, oh, you're not gonna win this game, and
Speaker 1: then you do and all that you can kind of
Speaker 1: it or you're just so good. I think Dave said
Speaker 1: it in the press box after the game. It's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be a team that's so good and so
Speaker 1: powerful that could just withstand all the hype all that
Speaker 1: because they're just better. And I think that happens with
Speaker 1: offensive line. You get offensive line because you don't have to.
Speaker 1: I mean, that will travel. If you're big and strong
Speaker 1: and you're going or just mall people that will That
Speaker 1: will happen in Lambeau. That will happen and so far
Speaker 1: it'll happen that at and t will happen anywhere. And
Speaker 1: I think that's where the offensive line has gotta get.
Speaker 1: You gotta get to that malling thing stage. Again, I
Speaker 1: think it does go back to the voice that they
Speaker 1: are listening to, because me personally, as someone who deals
Speaker 1: with like anxiety or whatever, I understand that it's only
Speaker 1: human for you to feel nervous before anything. But if
Speaker 1: you have the right voice in your ear going out
Speaker 1: and you're even if I have anxiety right now, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make me run through this wall if I need to,
Speaker 1: you know. So it goes back to that, even especially
Speaker 1: when they were coming off a win like the last
Speaker 1: game that they had of the season, that they were great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: playing against backups and things like that, but it was
Speaker 1: still the kind of ended, sorry, the kind of ending
Speaker 1: that they needed to at least get their energy back
Speaker 1: up and all that. So I think it does go
Speaker 1: back to the leadership and the voice is and all that,
Speaker 1: because yes, you can be nervous, but there's no reason
Speaker 1: that you're walking out on the field on a playoff
Speaker 1: game and not feeling pumped and ready to go no
Speaker 1: matter what, even if there's always a chance for you
Speaker 1: to lose, you're gonna give it your all and go
Speaker 1: out there thinking that you're gonna win this game. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect lead into the next question. You talk
Speaker 1: about leadership in that right voice. My question for you guys,
Speaker 1: do you think McCarthy is providing the right kind of
Speaker 1: guidance for his coaches and for his players? And I'll
Speaker 1: give you a few examples. What led me to this question.
Speaker 1: Number one, You think about this last this last season
Speaker 1: and the offense and Kellen Moore and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: they got to the midpoint in season and the offense
Speaker 1: fell off and it didn't seem like they had any answers.
Speaker 1: Did he have enough answers for him? You go back
Speaker 1: to last year, the defense didn't seem like they had answers.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they had. Coach was necessarily helping
Speaker 1: them out of that hole. You even look at all
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going on this year where there
Speaker 1: was this kind of preoccupation with the referees, and it
Speaker 1: didn't seem like there was enough of a voice being up,
Speaker 1: enough of a voice out there saying to these players
Speaker 1: stop worrying about the referees, because it continued to be
Speaker 1: something they were talking about after games. Do you think
Speaker 1: he's giving the right kind of guidance to his coaches
Speaker 1: into his players. The penalty thing is a really good
Speaker 1: point because no. I mean, I think it was the
Speaker 1: Cardinals game. A bunch of players were like, yeah, Mike
Speaker 1: told us that we got to play two different teams.
Speaker 1: Like that was his message in the postgame locker room.
Speaker 1: And in that Cardinals game, Cliff Kingsbury, they basically stole
Speaker 1: a time out from the Cowboys, knowing that they could
Speaker 1: just keep this unit on the field. They would be confused,
Speaker 1: they'd run around, they'd call time out, and it ended
Speaker 1: up ended affecting the game, you know, because they knew
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were going to do that. So that that's
Speaker 1: a you know, that's a mindset too from the opponents
Speaker 1: that they kind of know that your undisciplined at times.
Speaker 1: This is one of it's a question that it's easy
Speaker 1: to just like lean into the most recent thing that happened,
Speaker 1: but I mean there have been evidence of him doing
Speaker 1: a good job with that. I mean, to cut ties
Speaker 1: with Mike Nolan immediately, I mean, you gotta give him
Speaker 1: credit for the Dan Quinn higher, even if it was
Speaker 1: Dan that that revitalized the defense. Mike figured out what
Speaker 1: needed to be done, and Kellen Moore's public enemy number
Speaker 1: one right now. I think that's fair. Honestly, like I
Speaker 1: have lost a lot of confidence in Kellen Moore from
Speaker 1: November until now. But I think we would all agree
Speaker 1: we I think you would prefer in a vacuum like oh, like,
Speaker 1: that's great that the head coach recognizes the play caller
Speaker 1: and doesn't want to get in the way of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be so easy to sit here
Speaker 1: in a different universe and be like McCarthy's in the way,
Speaker 1: Like McCarthy he's stifling Kellen Moore. I mean, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: caught a lot of flak for that. A lot of
Speaker 1: people thought Jason Garrett like handcuffed Kellen. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's a progressive and a helpful attitude to let
Speaker 1: your coaches do their thing. And maybe Kellen Moore just
Speaker 1: reached the ceiling of what he's capable of. I don't
Speaker 1: know at what point, And we're making a lot of
Speaker 1: assumptions here. Of course, very very plainly, McCarthy could have
Speaker 1: been in his ear and could have been talking through
Speaker 1: him with him during the weeks and helping him along.
Speaker 1: The results didn't change, and that's why I'm asking this
Speaker 1: line of question. But at what point do you think
Speaker 1: going to what you were saying Dave, a coach does
Speaker 1: have to step in and say, Okay, we're not getting this,
Speaker 1: we're not moving beyond this, we're not figuring this out,
Speaker 1: so let me use my experience agains, especially with the
Speaker 1: guy like Kellen who has limited amount of experience as
Speaker 1: a play caller, with Mike having as much experience as
Speaker 1: he does, do you think that maybe that was a
Speaker 1: situation where he should have stepped in more and been
Speaker 1: way more involved in the play calling, just because he
Speaker 1: has the experience, and maybe he could have provided something
Speaker 1: to help him out of that funk. I sort of expected.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was half expecting that to happen
Speaker 1: all through the final month of this season, just like
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be surprised if today is the day
Speaker 1: that this comes out. You know, maybe he should have.
Speaker 1: But again I leaned toward the idea, like when you
Speaker 1: start throwing your eight around and like making drastic change,
Speaker 1: like I've in my experience just being around the league,
Speaker 1: I feel like that is more likely to cause trouble
Speaker 1: than not. But it's easy to sit here in in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of everything and be like, yeah, he probably
Speaker 1: should have done that, you know, I mean, they won.
Speaker 1: They won twelve games this year, and that that that's
Speaker 1: what makes it tough, because yeah, that they lost some
Speaker 1: games against teams that were better than them, but you know,
Speaker 1: teams teams upset teams all the time. You know, like
Speaker 1: Washington beat the Bucks, and you know, I think the
Speaker 1: Giants beat a couple of playoff teams. I mean, so
Speaker 1: you got to get credit for winning the games. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if your division is bad, you still
Speaker 1: you have to go out and win the game. So
Speaker 1: you got to get credit for that. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's what's unfair is the whole game clock
Speaker 1: management stuff, because that is that is usually comes down
Speaker 1: to lazy reporting because of what you see and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it didn't work. Bad management. This team has more points
Speaker 1: than anyone in the NFL is scoring in the final
Speaker 1: two minutes of a game or a half, and they
Speaker 1: led the league. That it comes down to tub minute
Speaker 1: offense running. And I get it. We saw the forty
Speaker 1: nine er game at the end. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you can't be that bad of clock management and score
Speaker 1: at the end of half so many times. So I
Speaker 1: don't think he's getting a fair shake all the time.
Speaker 1: Elephant in the room here. Steven Jones says it all
Speaker 1: time about players. Player acquisition is three five days a year.
Speaker 1: Well is coaching. I mean, that's what's coming down to.
Speaker 1: If they feel like there's a better option out there.
Speaker 1: Jerry even said it, if there's a better option out there,
Speaker 1: then I would make the move. Well, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: maybe there is, Maybe there isn't. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean they say it all the
Speaker 1: time about players. Why wouldn't you say it about coaches
Speaker 1: talent acquisition full year? Well, I'm sure it's the same
Speaker 1: with coaches. Want you want to get you want to
Speaker 1: get better, and if there's better option out there, then
Speaker 1: they need to look into I'm gonna have a big
Speaker 1: problem if dan Quinn walk. It's away and it's unable
Speaker 1: to stay here. One way or another. Interview for eighteen
Speaker 1: saying just herself, here's what we're gonna do it. We're
Speaker 1: actually gonna take our final bank when we come back.
Speaker 1: I do want to flip the conversation to the coordinators.
Speaker 1: They're both interviewing. They both got interviews lined up. Seems
Speaker 1: like every day you hear about a different one we'll
Speaker 1: talk about what the Cowboys lose if they lose one
Speaker 1: or both of those defensive coordinators, so that when we
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Speaker 1: the Star. Let's talk about defensive course, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive and defensive coordinator. Dan Quinn Kellum
Speaker 1: were both taking interviews. I've just read this morning that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn is now in for second interview. I think
Speaker 1: it was in Chicago, Is that right? Yes, So he's look,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey's even advancing in this to where he's
Speaker 1: he's already there was already a sport that he's supposedly
Speaker 1: a finalist in Denver. Yeah, So there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on with dan queen. Let's start with Quinn. Let's start
Speaker 1: with him. What does Dallas lose if they don't have
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. Well, at the very bare minimum, we know
Speaker 1: they lose a coach that all of the defenders on
Speaker 1: this team love, I mean, the player coach reputation he
Speaker 1: came in with, it lived up to that. He seems
Speaker 1: so well liked by all of those guys. So a
Speaker 1: guy that they're bought into, a guy who picked your
Speaker 1: most recent draft class, which was very defense heavy by
Speaker 1: the way, um and and kind of has a handle
Speaker 1: on the talent here and the schemes that they work
Speaker 1: well within. Yeah, right off the top of my head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just a he's just a tough dude.
Speaker 1: He's tough, mentally tough. I think I think he I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to be mentally tough to go through what
Speaker 1: he's gone through as a coach, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: like like what happened in Atlanta happened, you know, And
Speaker 1: and he's not the first one, you know, because Brady
Speaker 1: can do that to other teams. But like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think from a mentally tough guy, and I think
Speaker 1: the players feed off on that. I don't want him
Speaker 1: to go to any place Chicago though. I don't think
Speaker 1: you could be the coach in Chicago if you're not,
Speaker 1: you know, a tough s ob. I mean, you just
Speaker 1: have to be. And I think they would be a
Speaker 1: good fit there. But that's if he leaves, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I've said it a hundred times,
Speaker 1: I've said it on here. I think this is a
Speaker 1: very unique situation. I'll be surprised if he stays, I'll
Speaker 1: be surprised if he leaves. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can just sit on the fence then just sit
Speaker 1: right on top of it. Is I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: we've seen Jerry pull out stops to keep people before,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to read into these situations because it's
Speaker 1: shrouded in so much secrecy, And like Jerry has gone
Speaker 1: out of his way to not want to talk about
Speaker 1: anything having to do with any of his coaches. Really,
Speaker 1: but if that was a thing, wouldn't it have happened
Speaker 1: by now? Or like, is Jerry waiting for somebody to
Speaker 1: get an offer before he counters with stay here for
Speaker 1: this instead? I mean, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: you've had ample opportunity to try to convince him to
Speaker 1: stay by certainly, don't want to be bidding against yourself.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Actually, that's a really good thing.
Speaker 1: You wait until there's something I'll have the money for business,
Speaker 1: and then you say, okay, I will beat that by whatever,
Speaker 1: and I'll keep you here. And honestly, I do wonder
Speaker 1: if it's a situation with him where it's more by
Speaker 1: the fact that or I'll speak for myself if I
Speaker 1: were him, I would be looking at it like I'm
Speaker 1: still going to I got great enough players here on
Speaker 1: this defense that I'm still going to be a commodity
Speaker 1: next year. And so if there isn't a position that's
Speaker 1: available right now that has the things in it I
Speaker 1: think are necessary, and each coach probably has that list
Speaker 1: of those two or three things that are like, this
Speaker 1: is what may makes it necessary to win, Quarterback, pass rusher,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, right, whatever those things are
Speaker 1: that he's like, these are absolutely mustas Knowing where I
Speaker 1: came from in Atlanta, I know I can't win without
Speaker 1: these things. If I'm him, I'm not taking a job
Speaker 1: unless it has those things. I'm not going to convince myself, well, baby,
Speaker 1: I could make this work. If it doesn't clearly have
Speaker 1: those things, I'm not taking it because I feel like
Speaker 1: I could stay here and my defense is still gonna
Speaker 1: be top ten next year. It's gonna be a really
Speaker 1: good Why not? I think if he if he leaves,
Speaker 1: whoever it is, I don't even know who the guy
Speaker 1: would be the defensive coordinator for the Cowboys, but I
Speaker 1: just don't think that he would be the same defense
Speaker 1: or even take a step forward well, let me be clear.
Speaker 1: I was actually saying, if he came back, he could
Speaker 1: rely on the fact that he's going to have this
Speaker 1: defense a top ten Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And that's
Speaker 1: where I'm like, So if I'm him, I don't run
Speaker 1: for any position. I only go if I'm like, whatever
Speaker 1: those things are that I absolutely have to have in place.
Speaker 1: Unless they're already in place, I'm not going. I'll stay here.
Speaker 1: I'll keep this defense up there in the time opped
Speaker 1: in and next year I'll be right back in the
Speaker 1: cycle again and they'll be talking about me again. I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you, guys, just real quick, why why
Speaker 1: wasn't that in the first place? He ended up being
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinators because he was ahead back in the
Speaker 1: day or here he got fired. He was a head
Speaker 1: coach who got fired. So what happened? Because I think
Speaker 1: that you also have to look at the history and
Speaker 1: like what happened that let him to where he's at
Speaker 1: right now, even though he's been blown leads, watermelon kicks,
Speaker 1: things like that Super Bowl eight, I think he was
Speaker 1: I think he lost this offensive coordinator. I think that
Speaker 1: was the difference. You look at that Atlanta team that
Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. Shanahan was that offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: The next year he left, and they never were. That
Speaker 1: offense was never the same after he left. They were,
Speaker 1: they were doing remarkable things that year when they went
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Once he left, it all changed and I think that
Speaker 1: was the biggest undoing of of of Quinn in Atlanta. Ironically,
Speaker 1: and he didn't call the defense when he was there.
Speaker 1: But like their defense was never good in the year
Speaker 1: they made the Super Bowl, their defensive they were just
Speaker 1: they were. They were a help to that offense. I
Speaker 1: think they played for complimentary football, but that offense was
Speaker 1: really really good understanding. But let's also be clear too,
Speaker 1: like about dan Quinn is a great coach and I
Speaker 1: think he's you know, he's changed a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But if you were to, like, we keep dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose Parsons and Diggs, no one's gonna
Speaker 1: take that. Parsons digs in tank and maybe if it's
Speaker 1: Randy whatever, like that's that's the core. That's the core.
Speaker 1: Any defensive coordinator that's been good in this league is
Speaker 1: going to come in and I think gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: good because Michael Parsons is ready to take the next level.
Speaker 1: He might be the best defensive player in football. Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 1: I don't care what his grades are. He takes the
Speaker 1: ball away, he's gonna get even better. I think those
Speaker 1: pieces right there, and maybe that's why dan Quinn will
Speaker 1: stay right. I don't mean that's my hope. I think
Speaker 1: that's why I look at the like free aging guys
Speaker 1: and what happened last year under Mike Nolan. This is
Speaker 1: what happened with the free agent guys. Then Queenn brought in.
Speaker 1: Like last year, it was kind of like a wash.
Speaker 1: No free agent guy did anything that was terrible failure.
Speaker 1: A third line didn't wash it clean. He did okay,
Speaker 1: but it was bad. It was bad. Just to make
Speaker 1: sure I use that right. Wash doesn't that mean that's
Speaker 1: bad kind And I thought watched it's like like wash
Speaker 1: it away, it's terrible, like this the shows A watch.
Speaker 1: We got young people, we got old people. You know,
Speaker 1: we got so maybe like a flush flushes. Well. Anyways,
Speaker 1: my point is, I don't know if you got Ace King,
Speaker 1: Queen Jackson, I mean, it could be good point. Actually
Speaker 1: that's a that's a straight but it would be a
Speaker 1: straight flush. Sorry, that was when you compare players, are
Speaker 1: not those guys like a Parson's tremor Diggs. What happens
Speaker 1: with the other guys on the defense. What happened to
Speaker 1: the rest of the linebackers and the safeties and the
Speaker 1: other corners. So things like that that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what dan Quinn proved to do with guys like that
Speaker 1: that weren't that the cow Is didn't necessarily break the
Speaker 1: bank in free agency. Are things that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love this guy, bring him back, keep him here
Speaker 1: however you can. But this is a tough spot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I think I don't know how it's going
Speaker 1: to be. It's a depressing That's part of why, like
Speaker 1: getting bounced out of the playoffs is depressing. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic that the
Speaker 1: defense will stay good next year, but defense comes with
Speaker 1: a lot of variants. There's a lot of key free
Speaker 1: agents on this team. And I always say this, like,
Speaker 1: it's not mad enfranchise mode where you click advanced through
Speaker 1: the offseason and all of your guys get three points better, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not how it works in the real world. Some
Speaker 1: guys stay the same, some guys get worse. Some guys
Speaker 1: the scheme changes and they're not good at what's being
Speaker 1: asked of them anymore. So there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: to be optimistic. But I don't think you can sit
Speaker 1: here in January, even if Dan stay is, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can sit here and be like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be better. It's like, I hope, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope they make all the right moves and push all
Speaker 1: the right buttons. But you can't bank on that right now.
Speaker 1: He's got he's gotta find some wild cards to the mix,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and jay Ron Curse to me
Speaker 1: was the biggest wild card. And that was a guy
Speaker 1: that that I thought, you know, he just said, I
Speaker 1: mean I got a spot for him. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could use this guy, you know, he's he's a type
Speaker 1: um to me, though, this offense, this defense can take
Speaker 1: a big step. One of the key players he's got
Speaker 1: to be able to do it is Kelvin Joseph. That's
Speaker 1: the biggest question I have is this offseason we talked
Speaker 1: about him off the field, his maturity, all that. How
Speaker 1: much you concern about that. I'm concerned I'm concerned his
Speaker 1: track record has been bad like that. Athletically he's great.
Speaker 1: His track record of sticking with the place and being
Speaker 1: under the rules and everything that goes into it and
Speaker 1: being dedicated all the time has not always been there.
Speaker 1: If he takes that next level, if he grows with
Speaker 1: Tray and they go he tries to cover Stefan Diggs
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. He does that this offseason and
Speaker 1: really dedicates himself. I think he could be a good player.
Speaker 1: We saw signs of it. He can be good. I
Speaker 1: just hope, which by the way, that there were signed
Speaker 1: to that in college as well, he just had both
Speaker 1: those two stops. There were just these things that came
Speaker 1: up to where at some point they were like we
Speaker 1: just we we'd rather be without you than'd be with
Speaker 1: you in the way that I mean, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: call names, but there was a player from last year
Speaker 1: that was that his signs, you know, Arrow was pointed
Speaker 1: up and he was ready to take a next level,
Speaker 1: and he had a bad offseason. He didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: come in, he didn't do the same things as he
Speaker 1: wanted to, and he was pretty much an afterthought of
Speaker 1: the season. So I mean y'all can figure it out
Speaker 1: if you want. But there was a defensive player Rady
Speaker 1: to take the next level that didn't and I think
Speaker 1: it was because of his offseason. So the big big
Speaker 1: step for Kelvin Joseph to go and do that. I
Speaker 1: know he's talking about it. I'm like, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: go through this and going to call out people for whatever,
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't know all the story. You
Speaker 1: just kind of hear some things a lot that. But
Speaker 1: just there's a guy that you thought would be a
Speaker 1: starter and be there and be ready to play, and
Speaker 1: he really it didn't. It didn't pan out. Um, maybe
Speaker 1: he has a better offseason. So yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: keep thinking about that. All right, Let's let's to the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. What does this team lose
Speaker 1: if they don't have Kellen Moore? Uh, continuity and the
Speaker 1: offense um that they lose you know, you know, Dack's
Speaker 1: gonna have to learn different you know it would have
Speaker 1: to learn I think different scheme depends on who they
Speaker 1: bring in. Um, you know, and he's willing to do
Speaker 1: some some different you know, I like the some of
Speaker 1: them change trick plays and stuff like that. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know I there he could be better, though he
Speaker 1: could be better during the week that they have too
Speaker 1: many slow starts, and I think that comes with preparation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like I said it is. It is a tough
Speaker 1: question because I mean this offense has been really, really,
Speaker 1: really good at times, it's also gone into a shell
Speaker 1: and kind of lost its identity. This low starts, the
Speaker 1: inability to run the ball. Whether or not it falls
Speaker 1: on Kellen Moore. That Tony Pollard didn't have a role
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers, I don't know, but he
Speaker 1: should have. That's somebody's fault somewhere. Someone made that decision,
Speaker 1: whether it was the OC, the head coach, the front office,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. There's just a lot of
Speaker 1: disconcerting stuff that's happened there, and so I think it's
Speaker 1: knee jerky to just be like anybody's better, any like,
Speaker 1: just get I'm out of here. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I said it earlier in the show, like I've I've
Speaker 1: lost some confidence there, um, But just in terms of
Speaker 1: what they lose, it is interesting. McCarthy was asked about
Speaker 1: this at his press conference, just in the vein of like,
Speaker 1: you don't know whether or not he'll be here, and
Speaker 1: he was like, well, it'll it'll be the same. We're
Speaker 1: gonna tailor it toward Dak Prescott, like he's going to
Speaker 1: be at the center of everything, which is smart, but
Speaker 1: what does that mean, Like, are you just gonna keep
Speaker 1: the offense and put it in the hands of a
Speaker 1: new person, like you just promote a Doug nuss Meyer.
Speaker 1: He can't promote Ben McAdoo anymore. He's in Carolina, which
Speaker 1: I feel I think most people are probably like relieved
Speaker 1: to hear that news. If I had to get this
Speaker 1: was a good officive coordiney whatn't he That's how he
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to be a hit coach? Yeah he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator for the Giants for a
Speaker 1: couple of years when they were still good with Eli.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was ever amazing. It's a
Speaker 1: moot point now, but I just it's my question is
Speaker 1: just like, so, were you just taken what Kellen has
Speaker 1: done and putting it in the hands of a new
Speaker 1: person and not changing anything. You're not gonna let somebody
Speaker 1: use their own terminology or are you going to hire
Speaker 1: from outside the building? Like it's easy to say we're
Speaker 1: going to build around Dak, But what does that mean
Speaker 1: if the guy that's been Dak's coordinator for the last
Speaker 1: three years is not in the building, which I think
Speaker 1: Kellen will be here. I don't think Kellen's going to
Speaker 1: get a head coaching job, so probably doesn't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not as passionate about him than I am
Speaker 1: for Den Quinn. But you know what, I think I
Speaker 1: still haven't lost faith in Kellen Moore, and I think
Speaker 1: that he can take the off season and really study
Speaker 1: and evaluate everything that he did and figure out how
Speaker 1: he can improve for another season. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: the right person to be a head coach just yet,
Speaker 1: at least at this point in his career, but I
Speaker 1: do think that he is a very smart guy. And
Speaker 1: although I'm very down about what he did at the
Speaker 1: second half of the season, I think he has brought
Speaker 1: new things to this offense that we haven't seen or
Speaker 1: in a long time since Jason Garrett was here, So
Speaker 1: at least that's a big step forward. He brought in
Speaker 1: the creativity, brought in different ways that he was using
Speaker 1: the offense, and just needs to kind of take the
Speaker 1: off season and figure out how to get better. I
Speaker 1: think he has it in him, and he's still a
Speaker 1: very young guy starting out in his career, so it's
Speaker 1: only fair to say that for him, starting right off
Speaker 1: the bat, without any coaching's experience, any of that, he's
Speaker 1: done a pretty how damn good job? How Americans say,
Speaker 1: pretty damn good job? So but he Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a big, very bad hiccup there, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can still turn things around and get it better
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys. All right, let's go around the
Speaker 1: table once, you guys to tell me what do you
Speaker 1: expect to happen with both Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore?
Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen? I think Dan's gone.
Speaker 1: He'll I don't know, You're just gonna be a finalist
Speaker 1: for that many jobs and not take any of them. Um.
Speaker 1: The big question for me is like, will there be
Speaker 1: anybody left to promote from within? Because Joe Witt has
Speaker 1: had a few interviews for DC jobs. I think Dan's gone,
Speaker 1: and I would I would try to promote Joe Witt
Speaker 1: or if you want to go after Mike Zimmer, that's fine,
Speaker 1: and sure, I just reading between the tea leaves of
Speaker 1: the exchanges between Mike and Fansie. It's actually be pretty spicy.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that that would happen,
Speaker 1: but maybe, um and then I just I think Kellen
Speaker 1: will be here. Yeah, So m um, how how how
Speaker 1: much can I say? How much can I actually voice
Speaker 1: what I would like? All you got what you think
Speaker 1: is gonna happens happen? I mean, I think Ellen Moore
Speaker 1: stays here with the Cowboys as the offensive coordinator, then Quinn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: highly possible that he leaves. But one mood is Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones in right now? How is he feeling? How is
Speaker 1: he at home sitting down or maybe at his office
Speaker 1: and his desk feeling Okay? How how crazy of a
Speaker 1: move can I make here? How? You know? Um, he
Speaker 1: seemed pretty upset at the end of the season. You know,
Speaker 1: even when he got on the fan, he seemed pretty
Speaker 1: upset about the loss. So I'm just you just never
Speaker 1: know what kind of craziness can happen with the head
Speaker 1: coaching position. And I think the only way you can
Speaker 1: really keep then Quinn is by making that kind of move,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you keep him here by just
Speaker 1: giving him more money and being like, oh, well, just
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have him make him more than
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. Oh maybe not, maybe not more than well,
Speaker 1: first of all you could, but hood you're not more
Speaker 1: than Mike, but just way more than your average. Be
Speaker 1: clear about this. My understanding is that there's still money
Speaker 1: he's getting from Atlanta as well, so that fattens into
Speaker 1: this too. And I don't know. Sometimes in the contracts,
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on whether you get another head
Speaker 1: coaching job. So if he gets if his contract was
Speaker 1: set up such that, like as a coordinator, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not gets additive, but if he's a head coach, it's
Speaker 1: not like that could also affect. You know, money does
Speaker 1: go away coach, So yeah, so that he really want
Speaker 1: those So then money doesn't just about money may yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the point, Like, I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: know that money necessarily drives is He's the only one
Speaker 1: that can answer that question. But because he's still making
Speaker 1: that money from Atlanta, I don't know that money is
Speaker 1: really driving his decision. Quid didn't I already go? You
Speaker 1: are to sit no, I you know Jerry didn't come
Speaker 1: out and say anything. I mean, he did say that
Speaker 1: he thinks Dak Prescott could win the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's given the quarterback support. He could have done
Speaker 1: that different way, but he did that. He didn't get
Speaker 1: the head coach support. He didn't. He could have could
Speaker 1: have easily done that. He didn't do that. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to give any you want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: so you know, Jared could do whatever he wants. I'll
Speaker 1: say this, I think if McCarthy's the head coach next year,
Speaker 1: I think dan quinn will be the coordinator. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know about Kevin Moore, but I do think dan
Speaker 1: quinn will be the coordinator if macarth's coach. If Jared
Speaker 1: decided to do some crazy stuff that I think I'll
Speaker 1: he'll break loose and it'll be different. We'll have a
Speaker 1: fun off season. Do we think that's happening? Like? Do we?
Speaker 1: How confident do you feel that we're not out of
Speaker 1: the news cycle in terms of like, I don't think
Speaker 1: i've been. I've been working here. I've been working here
Speaker 1: long enough to know that as soon as you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable that something's gonna stay the same or change either
Speaker 1: way different, it'll it'll be it's just one way or
Speaker 1: the other. I mean that I phrase that, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I phrase that poorly, because like, of course
Speaker 1: we're not out of the news cycle, because like Dan
Speaker 1: has to make a decision, by the way, we just
Speaker 1: find ways to make it. Well, but that I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess that's and Nick, I'll relate it to you, like,
Speaker 1: how likely do you think it is that my life
Speaker 1: gets turned upside down while I'm trying to plan this
Speaker 1: vacation gonna go? All right? This has been the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl for the ages. Here, it's fourth and nine. Here,
Speaker 1: my homes with the ball has a chance to win
Speaker 1: this game. But you know, Bosa is gonna be coming
Speaker 1: up off the off the edge here. You know what
Speaker 1: breaking news out of Dallas Cowboys. You know, yeah, my
Speaker 1: home scoring and the Chiefs one. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: and then leading the next day all the local newspapers,
Speaker 1: all the national newspapers, Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 1: just gave him my Super Bowl pick. Yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: But I just and I know we we have to
Speaker 1: tread delicate ground, I understand, but like this this is
Speaker 1: shaping up to be a circus environment. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, well, I I don't like, I don't like
Speaker 1: firing people, so I don't I don't like supposing that
Speaker 1: something else is gonna happen when you still have a guy. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: It's just it's just put it this way. There's a
Speaker 1: there's a big story that's just gonna hover over this
Speaker 1: team for the foreseeable future. Yea. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that could be for a year, I be for two years.
Speaker 1: It could be a story that just kind of lingers
Speaker 1: out there and and there's nothing it may be nothing
Speaker 1: to it, but it can linger out there for a
Speaker 1: long time, you know. So that's just the nature of it.
Speaker 1: Like that's just a part of the Cowboys. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: have those kinds of stories that just kind of linger.
Speaker 1: You know. If you've if you're like a head coach,
Speaker 1: you know of like I don't know, Texas Tech or
Speaker 1: something like that for a while and it's been really
Speaker 1: stressful for you and you just need a break. You
Speaker 1: probably don't want to go to Texas the next year,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If if if taking a
Speaker 1: break is what you need, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be crazy. So I'm saying, you know,
Speaker 1: which happened Chris Beard did that Texas Texas, Texas. That's
Speaker 1: really all I'm saying. But he wasn't looking for a break.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm ready for the big time. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that if it's been a stressful time at a
Speaker 1: certain job. Really, Texas, Texas made a huge hire and
Speaker 1: it's not paying dividend. No, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm sure he's looking at it like, dang,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't bet. We just dropped out of
Speaker 1: the top twenty five when we started at six. Yes,
Speaker 1: I paid just enough attention to know that LSU's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how Texas was doing. We have we'll
Speaker 1: be playing Tennessee. We get to play SEC this Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all arrows going down. Yea, we've been hurt. We had
Speaker 1: like three guys not playing. I was wondering LSU lost
Speaker 1: in a basketball game on Saturday, and I was wondering,
Speaker 1: are the fans in in Baton Rouge down? Are they
Speaker 1: excited because the Bengals won? Uh? Well, it goes, it
Speaker 1: goes both ways. It like because it timed up perfectly.
Speaker 1: It was like, you kidd me, we lost Arkansas, like
Speaker 1: they they like they're not really good. Well, but they
Speaker 1: lost Tennessee whatever. Yeah. I literally I was at a
Speaker 1: bar and LSU Tennessee was on one TV and the
Speaker 1: Bengals were on the other, and I'm like, yeah, Joe, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go Joe, look over like we're losing whatever. Okay, what's
Speaker 1: Joe doesn't like? It's like, yeah, I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: want the basketball team to lose, but what the Bengals
Speaker 1: are doing is definitely Mark. Why aren't you given jamaras
Speaker 1: say Jamar too? No, no, no, I said that's Kelsey
Speaker 1: was like, I'm rooting for LSU because of this guy.
Speaker 1: And I was like, don't you dare forget Jamar. Chase
Speaker 1: is doing his thing. Hey, they they have a few
Speaker 1: more too. They got Tyler Shelvin, They're they're at baton
Speaker 1: Rouge North up there, Let's go Bengals. All right, real quick,
Speaker 1: I don't want to end the show without doing this.
Speaker 1: I want to quickly get some picks from you guys
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen this weekend NFC and AFC
Speaker 1: title games. You got Cincinnati beingles versus the Kansas Chiefs.
Speaker 1: You got San Francisco forty nine ers, versus the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, who wins each game, giving two Chie's forty
Speaker 1: nine a super Bowl. Yea, all right. I will be
Speaker 1: rooting my heart out for Joe and Jamar, but I
Speaker 1: can't pick against my homes in his building. There's no
Speaker 1: way Chiefs. I go Chiefs Rams, mainly just because I
Speaker 1: don't want to see a rematch like we just had
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. Plus, I don't know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to beat the same team three times in a season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Chiefs Rams Bengals and let's go, all right, Age,
Speaker 1: you know it'll be interesting. I know you're about to
Speaker 1: make a pick. But it's like when fifty five years
Speaker 1: with nobody had Nobody's home team went to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and we could have it twice in two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would mean now we also saw that. Does that
Speaker 1: matter for the Rams, I mean it won't. I don't
Speaker 1: expect this week is going to be the same as
Speaker 1: that that final week, Like I don't think they were
Speaker 1: gonna be that. I don't think it's gonna be that
Speaker 1: overrun by the forty Niners this week. I really don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. I saw a story Niners had I
Speaker 1: had one day advantage like a heads up, because they
Speaker 1: still started selling tickets like after the game's done, because
Speaker 1: they didn't know where the game is gonna beat. It's
Speaker 1: a five hour drive if assuming you live in the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, get all the Niner fans all over Californy.
Speaker 1: I get all that, But I just I kind of
Speaker 1: gotta feel it will be a little different. First of all,
Speaker 1: I think the Rams are gonna play better football than
Speaker 1: they played that game. And that's the most important part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I look at this. I look at this, and
Speaker 1: I say it's gonna be Chiefs Rams. I think that's
Speaker 1: gonna be yourself room for the wrong team. I know that. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: we talked about that last week, though, I mean the
Speaker 1: Rams have a nasty pass rush too. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have to see Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: I don't know. If it wasn't with this interior offensive line,
Speaker 1: don't have to face the Cardinals, and then the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would have been the one to play in Lambeau last week.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot of great options here. It's gonna
Speaker 1: take it's gonna take some time. Yeah, all right, we'll appretect.
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Speaker 1: we'll have more talk for you guys. I picked Chiefs
Speaker 1: and um and ramsis Rams. All right, We'll see you
Speaker 1: guys next week. Till then for Nick Eatman, Dave Helm
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