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Speaker 4: Hi, this is Joel. Thanks so much for downloading the podcast.
Speaker 4: I believe you'll be inspired and challenged. I hope you
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Speaker 4: right at home. I like to start with something funny,
Speaker 4: and I heard about this burglar that broke into a
Speaker 4: home one night as he was stealing the stereo, he
Speaker 4: heard a voice saying, Jesus is watching you. He froze
Speaker 4: in his tracks, shined his flashlight and saw a parrot
Speaker 4: over in the corner. He said, did you say that
Speaker 4: to me? The parent said yes, I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: warn you. He said, warn me? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Who are you? He said, my name is Moses. The
Speaker 4: burglar laughed, said what kind of crazy people would name
Speaker 4: a parent Moses? He said, the same kind of people
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Speaker 4: say it like you mean it. This is my Bible.
Speaker 4: I am what it says I am. I have what
Speaker 4: it says I have. I can do what it says
Speaker 4: I can do. Today I will be taught the word
Speaker 4: of God. I boldly confess my mind is alert, my
Speaker 4: heart is receptive. I will never be the same. In Jesus' name,
Speaker 4: God bless you. I want to talk to you today
Speaker 4: about being vulnerable. It's easy to go through life trying
Speaker 4: to impress people, show them that we're strong, that we
Speaker 4: have it all together, and it's good to carry ourselves
Speaker 4: with confidence, But sometimes we have a need to keep
Speaker 4: up our image so much that instead of being real,
Speaker 4: we put on a mask and start pretending. We can't
Speaker 4: let people see we have weaknesses. We struggle in these areas.
Speaker 4: We're people of faith, We're supposed to have all the answers,
Speaker 4: But the scripture says God's power shows up greatest in
Speaker 4: our weaknesses. If we go around pretending acting like we
Speaker 4: don't have any weaknesses, then God's power is not going
Speaker 4: to show up. God won't bless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 4: He looks beyond the mass, beyond the superficial. When you're
Speaker 4: big enough to admit God, I don't have it altogether,
Speaker 4: I'm struggling in these areas. I need your help. Being
Speaker 4: vulnerable is not a weakness, it's a strength. But when
Speaker 4: we pretend and try to impress people live for our image,
Speaker 4: that puts pressure on us. We have to perform and
Speaker 4: make sure they think I'm good, I'm strong, I'm talented.
Speaker 4: Take off the mask. You can be real, well, Joel,
Speaker 4: what if they think less of me? What they think
Speaker 4: of you doesn't really matter. They don't control your destiny.
Speaker 4: If your friends judge you for being real, they're not
Speaker 4: true friends. A true friend will accept you for who
Speaker 4: you are faults, weaknesses, shortcomings, and all people that judge
Speaker 4: you are not being honest with themselves. They have their
Speaker 4: own issues. They're just wearing their mask hoping that you
Speaker 4: don't notice. Everybody is dealing with something. There are no
Speaker 4: perfect people. But we live in a society that stresses image.
Speaker 4: It tells us if we don't have it all together,
Speaker 4: if you don't wear the latest, drive the latest hang
Speaker 4: out with the most popular, then you're less than. This
Speaker 4: creates all kinds of pretending. We're in masks trying to impress,
Speaker 4: and that may feel strong, but in fact it's weak.
Speaker 4: If you can't be honest with yourself, if you have
Speaker 4: to hide your struggles, act a certain way to keep
Speaker 4: up your image, that's going to keep you from your
Speaker 4: full potential. God is not looking for the ideal you,
Speaker 4: to pretend you the future you. He's looking for the
Speaker 4: real you. And this is what the apostle Paul did.
Speaker 4: He said in Philippians three, I count not myself to
Speaker 4: have apprehended. One version says I'm still not everything that
Speaker 4: I should be now. Paul was one of the greatest
Speaker 4: apostles that ever lived. He wrote half of the books
Speaker 4: in the New testament. He was a scholar, a theologian.
Speaker 4: He spoke five languages. No one was more effective than Paul,
Speaker 4: but he had the humility to admit, I don't have
Speaker 4: it altogether. I'm doing my best, but I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4: He could have let pride hide his weaknesses, mask his shortcomings,
Speaker 4: but he was vulnerable. Nobody would have argued if he'd
Speaker 4: have said, Hey, I wrote half of the scripture. I've
Speaker 4: attained the highest level. Paul was a great man, but
Speaker 4: as he neared his death, when he could have impressed people,
Speaker 4: when he could have bolstered his image, instead he took
Speaker 4: off his mask. He was real. That's the kind of
Speaker 4: people God promotes. There's power in vulnerability. It's okay to
Speaker 4: say I'm not there yet. I'm still struggling with these issues.
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to wear a mask. I'm not
Speaker 4: going around pretending I'm at peace with not being perfect.
Speaker 4: If you're not vulnerable, you'll stop growing. If you can't
Speaker 4: be honest with yourself and say God, I need your help.
Speaker 4: I'm acting strong, but God, I'm afraid I don't know
Speaker 4: which way to go. When you empty yourself out, then
Speaker 4: God will fill you. But God cannot fill a vessel
Speaker 4: that's already full. If you're full of yourself acting. I
Speaker 4: said it nice, acting, pretending, wearing mask. There's no room
Speaker 4: for God. But when we humble ourselves and empty out
Speaker 4: our pride, our doubts, our fears, then God will fill
Speaker 4: us with favor, with strength. He'll help us get to
Speaker 4: the next level. Mark chapter nine. A man had a
Speaker 4: son that was sick with something like epilepsy. He brought
Speaker 4: him to Jesus and said, Sir, my son has all
Speaker 4: these convulsions. If you can do anything, please have compassion
Speaker 4: on us. Jesus said, if you believe, all things are possible.
Speaker 4: The man said, yes, Lord, I believe, but help me
Speaker 4: in my unbelief. He was honest, he was being vulnerable.
Speaker 4: Jesus could have said, I just told you I do it.
Speaker 4: What do you mean you have doubts? You don't believe?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go find somebody else. Know. When we're honest
Speaker 4: with God, when we're real, he doesn't judge us, he
Speaker 4: doesn't turn the other way. He comes to us. Jesus
Speaker 4: went and healed this man's son. And when you take
Speaker 4: off the mask and get down to the real you,
Speaker 4: maybe the doubting you, the lonely you, the insecure you.
Speaker 4: When you're vulnerable, God will begin to change things. But
Speaker 4: sometimes we think we have to always be strong in faith,
Speaker 4: strong in courage. We can't admit we have doubts, we
Speaker 4: have fears. The scripture says, let the weak say I
Speaker 4: am strong. Doesn't say you should never feel weak, never
Speaker 4: have doubts, never feel discouraged. Now, God, I feel weak today,
Speaker 4: but I know in You I'm strong. God. I'm concerned
Speaker 4: about my finances. I don't see how it could work out. Lord,
Speaker 4: help me to believe. That's being honest before God. That's
Speaker 4: being vulnerable. The first time John the Baptist saw Jesus,
Speaker 4: he said, behold the lamb of God. He knew he
Speaker 4: was the Messiah. In Matthew chapter three, John was baptizing Jesus.
Speaker 4: When he came up out of the water, A dove
Speaker 4: landed on Jesus. The heavens opened up. A voice boomed out, saying,
Speaker 4: this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased.
Speaker 4: If anyone should have been a man of faith, it
Speaker 4: would have been John. He baptized Jesus. Chapters later, in
Speaker 4: chapter eleven, when he was in prison, John started having doubts, thinking,
Speaker 4: is he really the Messiah? Is he really the son
Speaker 4: of God. John sent two of his disciples to see
Speaker 4: if Jesus was who he really said he was. Now
Speaker 4: you would think if you saw the heavens opened up,
Speaker 4: if you heard the voice boom out, you would believe.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't change your mind. But even John had doubts.
Speaker 4: Even he didn't have it all figured out, he was vulnerable.
Speaker 4: He could have said, I baptized the man. I told
Speaker 4: people he was the Lamb of God. I can't let
Speaker 4: anyone know that. I'm not sure. Now I have to
Speaker 4: keep up my image. I have to wear this mask.
Speaker 4: John's attitude was I'm not a pretender. I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to impress people. Go ask him if he's the son
Speaker 4: of God. What's interesting is Jesus didn't get upset. He
Speaker 4: didn't say, tell John he needs to have more faith.
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in him. Jesus understood, He said, tell John
Speaker 4: the blind, sea, the crippled walk, the lepers are cure.
Speaker 4: Tell him, yes, I am the Messiah. So when you
Speaker 4: have doubts, things you don't understand, don't be down on yourself.
Speaker 4: You didn't see the heavens open up. You didn't hear
Speaker 4: the voice boom out. John had all these signs, but
Speaker 4: it didn't disqualify him. God was not disappointed in John,
Speaker 4: and he's not disappointed in you. You may not be
Speaker 4: where you think it should be. You have these questions.
Speaker 4: It's okay to say, like Paul, I haven't apprehended it
Speaker 4: all just yet. I'm on a journey. I'm growing. God's
Speaker 4: still working on me. But so often we think we
Speaker 4: have to hide our struggles. We can't let God know
Speaker 4: our fears. That wouldn't be a person of faith. But
Speaker 4: you can't overcome a weakness if you don't get it
Speaker 4: out in the open, when you're honest with yourself and
Speaker 4: honest with God and say, God, help me break this addiction.
Speaker 4: I can't do it on my own. God help me
Speaker 4: to not be jealous. I'm a coworker. Help me to
Speaker 4: be more disciplined in what I watch. That's the first
Speaker 4: step to getting better. But sometimes religion has taught us
Speaker 4: that God will condemn us, make us feel guilty. That's
Speaker 4: not the way God is. Like with John the Baptist,
Speaker 4: God understands our doubts, our weaknesses, our failures. When we
Speaker 4: humble ourselves and ask him for his help. When we're vulnerable,
Speaker 4: we say, like Paul, I don't have it altogether. We say,
Speaker 4: like John, I have these doubts. We say like the
Speaker 4: man and his son, Lord, help me to believe. That's
Speaker 4: when the creator of the universe will help you overcome
Speaker 4: what you could not owe. Come. Are you wearing a mask,
Speaker 4: pretending trying to protect your image in front of people
Speaker 4: and in front of God. I'm asking us to take
Speaker 4: off the mask. Let's be real. Sometimes we think, when
Speaker 4: we get it all together, we'll be honest, when we
Speaker 4: break the addiction, when we overcome the temptation, then God
Speaker 4: will accept us. Then he'll be pleased with me. But
Speaker 4: God is not waiting for the perfect you, for the
Speaker 4: cleaned up you, for the no doubt you. He's waiting
Speaker 4: for the real you, the vulnerable you, the honest you.
Speaker 4: God already knows everything about us. There is a freedom
Speaker 4: when you can come to God open and honest, knowing
Speaker 4: that he doesn't condemn you. He's not finding fault. He
Speaker 4: has mercy for every mistake, grace for every weakness, faith
Speaker 4: for every fear, our attitude. It should be God my
Speaker 4: life is an open book. I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 4: You know everything I am. Everything that I'm not made me,
Speaker 4: Mold me, help me to become who you've created me
Speaker 4: to be. John Chapter four. Jesus was at a well
Speaker 4: in Samaria. This woman came out to get some water.
Speaker 4: Jesus asked her for something to drink. She was surprised.
Speaker 4: She said, sir, you're a Jew, I'm a Samaritan. We
Speaker 4: don't have anything to do with each other. Why are
Speaker 4: you asking me for something? Jesus said, if you knew
Speaker 4: who I was, you would ask me and I would
Speaker 4: give you living water. She said, please give me some
Speaker 4: of that water. Jesus said, I will, but go call
Speaker 4: your husband. I can imagine time stopped for this woman.
Speaker 4: She had had five husbands, was living with a man
Speaker 4: she wasn't married too. Life had been rough for this lady.
Speaker 4: No out she'd been mistreated, taking advantage of. She knew
Speaker 4: she had made mistakes. She felt bad enough about herself.
Speaker 4: She didn't need any more guilt. In town, everyone knew her,
Speaker 4: she was looked down on, made fun of. But out
Speaker 4: here at the well, alone, just her in Jesus, she
Speaker 4: could have thought, I'm not telling this man my past.
Speaker 4: I'm going to put on my mask and pretend everything
Speaker 4: is fine. She could have said, Okay, I'll go get
Speaker 4: my husband. Wait for me. I'll be back in thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: Everything in her said, hide your hurts, hide your failures,
Speaker 4: turn and leave, take the easy way out. She could
Speaker 4: have walked away and it would be the end of
Speaker 4: this story. But after years of wearing a mask, years
Speaker 4: of pretending, she said, no, this is a new day.
Speaker 4: I'm not making excuses, I'm not covering it up. I'm
Speaker 4: going to be honest. She said to Jesus, I don't
Speaker 4: have a husband. The first thing Jesus said was you
Speaker 4: have answered. Well. He was saying, now you're being honest
Speaker 4: with yourself, and you're being honest with me. Jesus went
Speaker 4: on to tell her how she had five husbands and
Speaker 4: was living with this other man. She said, sir, you
Speaker 4: must be a prophet. We know one day the Messiah
Speaker 4: will come. Jesus looked at her and said, I am
Speaker 4: the Messiah. The first person Jesus ever revealed himself too
Speaker 4: as the Messiah was this woman, A woman who was vulnerable,
Speaker 4: a woman who was willing to take off the mask
Speaker 4: and not pretend everything was okay. You may have made mistakes.
Speaker 4: You're not where you think you should be. God is
Speaker 4: not displeased with where you are. He's only displeased if
Speaker 4: you get stuck there. And when Jesus asked this woman
Speaker 4: to go get her husband, he already knew she didn't
Speaker 4: have a husband. He was waiting to see what she
Speaker 4: would do. Would she be vulnerable? Would she take off
Speaker 4: the mask? God already knows our struggles, our failures, our weaknesses.
Speaker 4: When we live open and honest before God, not guilty
Speaker 4: because of past mistakes, beating ourselves up for weaknesses, pretending
Speaker 4: that everything's okay, but saying God, I need you help
Speaker 4: me to overcome, Strengthen me in my weaknesses, give me
Speaker 4: faith to do the right thing. That's when God will
Speaker 4: do for you what he did for this woman. He
Speaker 4: will break bondages that have held you back. He will
Speaker 4: make more out of your life than you've ever even dreamed.
Speaker 4: What am I saying today? It's okay to be vulnerable.
Speaker 4: You don't have to have it altogether. You're a work
Speaker 4: in progress. God is not finished with you. Even Abraham,
Speaker 4: the father of our faith, was vulnerable. He even admitted
Speaker 4: that he didn't have all the answers. God told him
Speaker 4: to take his son Isaac out to the mountains and
Speaker 4: sacrifice him. God was going to show him where to go.
Speaker 4: I can imagine Isaac said, Dad, where are we going?
Speaker 4: Surely Abraham would be strong, confident, But I hear Abraham saying, son,
Speaker 4: I don't know where. I don't have clear direction. Isaac
Speaker 4: must have thought, that's my father, that's my hero, the
Speaker 4: man I look up to. You mean he doesn't have
Speaker 4: everything figured out. It's okay to be vulnerable to your children.
Speaker 4: You don't have to hide your weaknesses, hide your struggles,
Speaker 4: take off your superman outfit. Sometimes you just need to
Speaker 4: be Clark Kent. Just be real. Your children will learn
Speaker 4: more from how they see you handle your struggles than
Speaker 4: they will from your successes. You don't have to be
Speaker 4: strong all the time. Let them see your humanity. One
Speaker 4: time in my early twenties, I was in the TV
Speaker 4: control area after a church service at the other location.
Speaker 4: My father had just finished ministering. Myself and some of
Speaker 4: the crew members were laughing and having fun as we
Speaker 4: were putting up the equipment and turning everything off. My
Speaker 4: father came in for some reason. He thought we were
Speaker 4: making fun of something that had happened in the service.
Speaker 4: We weren't. We were laughing at something totally different. I
Speaker 4: tried to tell him it didn't have anything to do
Speaker 4: with that, but my father wouldn't hear it. He let
Speaker 4: us have it, told us how we should be more respectful,
Speaker 4: and how we should make fun, on and on. A
Speaker 4: couple hours later, my father called. He said, Joel, I
Speaker 4: blew it tonight. I knew when you told me it
Speaker 4: wasn't what I thought, but I was uptight about some
Speaker 4: other things, and I want to ask you to forgive me.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Then he asked me for the phone numbers
Speaker 4: of everyone else in the room. There were seven or
Speaker 4: eight people. He couldn't sleep until he made things right.
Speaker 4: I said, Daddy, you can take care of it tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna mind. He said, no, I need to do
Speaker 4: it right now. Eleven o'clock at night, this well respected
Speaker 4: minister called all these young men to apologize to them. Now.
Speaker 4: As a son, that spoke louder to me than my
Speaker 4: father's accomplishments. To see him swallow his pride and admit
Speaker 4: that he was wrong met his huge impressing on me.
Speaker 4: He could have tried to protect his image and convince
Speaker 4: himself he was right, but he was vulnerable. He was honest,
Speaker 4: not just with me, but with himself. When you can
Speaker 4: be honest with yourself, when you're big enough, secure enough
Speaker 4: to take off the mask, not live for your image,
Speaker 4: but you do the right thing when it's hard, apologize
Speaker 4: when it's not your fault, Show your children you're big
Speaker 4: enough to admit that you were wrong. When you live
Speaker 4: transparent before God, not the fake you to pretend you
Speaker 4: the wanna be you, but the real you. When you're vulnerable,
Speaker 4: you're pliable. God will make you and mould you into
Speaker 4: the vessel of honor that He created you to be.
Speaker 4: That's what these heroes of faith did, Abraham, John, the Baptist, Paul.
Speaker 4: They were real. They had doubts, they had questions, They
Speaker 4: made mistakes, but they didn't pretend to be superhuman like
Speaker 4: they had it all together. They knew the power of vulnerability.
Speaker 4: They knew in their weaknesses, God's power shows up the greatest.
Speaker 4: Are you down on yourself because you have doubts, fears,
Speaker 4: things you don't understand. Are you trying to perform perfectly
Speaker 4: to protect your image to impress your friends, to show
Speaker 4: your children how strong you are. Why don't you take
Speaker 4: the pressure off. There is a freedom when you can
Speaker 4: be at peace with not being perfect, when you can say,
Speaker 4: like Paul, I'm doing my best. I'm improving, but I'm
Speaker 4: not there yet. Joel with my temper, I'm better than
Speaker 4: I was five years ago, but I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4: That's okay, You're making progress. God said about John the Baptist,
Speaker 4: there was no one any greater than him. This was
Speaker 4: about a man that doubted he was the Messiah, a
Speaker 4: men that had questions. Why are you beating yourself up
Speaker 4: over your weaknesses? Why are you trying to hide your
Speaker 4: struggles thinking that it's disqualifying you. The accuser whispers you
Speaker 4: still have that addiction. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 4: You lost your temper again. Go sit on the sidelines.
Speaker 4: Don't believe those lies. You may not have attained it all.
Speaker 4: You're not there yet. The good news is you're on
Speaker 4: the way. God still working on you. What he started
Speaker 4: in your life, He's going to finish. Genesis twenty five,
Speaker 4: Esau and Jacob were born. They were twins. Esau came
Speaker 4: out first, but Jacob was grabbing at his heels. Jacob
Speaker 4: grew up doing everything he could to get ahead. He
Speaker 4: was dishonest. He went around deceiving people. When his brother
Speaker 4: was hungry, instead of giving him something to eat, he
Speaker 4: traded Esau a pot of stew for his birthright. This
Speaker 4: was significant, the firstborn son received a double portion of
Speaker 4: the family inheritance. When Jacob's father, Isaac was near death
Speaker 4: and couldn't see Jacob dressed up like his brother, he
Speaker 4: pretended to be Esau and tricked his father into giving
Speaker 4: him the blessing that belonged to the firstborn son. But
Speaker 4: when we don't do things God's way, what should be
Speaker 4: a blessing is not a blessing. When we deceive and manipulate,
Speaker 4: we may get to where we want to be, but
Speaker 4: it won't be what we thought. Jacob got the blessing,
Speaker 4: but for the next twenty one years his life was
Speaker 4: a struggle. He had to live in exile. He worked
Speaker 4: for his uncle Laban to get one of his daughters
Speaker 4: for his wife, But Laban was a bigger trickster than Jacob.
Speaker 4: He kept making excuses why he had to work longer.
Speaker 4: Jacob was reaping from all those seeds that he had sown.
Speaker 4: I'm sure Jacob didn't like who he was. Deep down,
Speaker 4: he thought, look who I've become. I'm a con man,
Speaker 4: I'm a deceiver. After years, he decided to go back
Speaker 4: home and make peace with Esau. The night before they
Speaker 4: going to meet, Jacob was camped out alone. This stranger
Speaker 4: showed up and started wrestling with Jacob. The man was
Speaker 4: actually an angel. They wrestled all night. Jacob must have
Speaker 4: known there was something special because he said to the man,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to let you leave until you bless me.
Speaker 4: The angel looked at him and said, what is your name?
Speaker 4: Jacob had spent his whole life deceiving, pretending. Years earlier,
Speaker 4: when he was trying to steal his brother's blessing, his
Speaker 4: father asked him the same question, what is your name?
Speaker 4: He said, I am Esaul. This moment, Jacob had to
Speaker 4: decide am I going to keep pretending? Am I going
Speaker 4: to keep wearing the mask hiding my weaknesses? Or am
Speaker 4: I going to be real? I can imagine this debate
Speaker 4: took place a long time in his mind. He finally
Speaker 4: said to the man, I am Jacob. The name Jacob
Speaker 4: literally means deceiver. For the first time, he didn't try
Speaker 4: to hide his weaknesses. He was honest with himself. This man,
Speaker 4: the angel who represents God, didn't say, yeah, I know
Speaker 4: who you are. You're a con man. He should be
Speaker 4: ashamed of yourself. Know when Jacob took off the mask,
Speaker 4: when he got real, the angel said, that's your old name.
Speaker 4: I'm giving you a new name. You are no longer Jacob.
Speaker 4: Now you are Israel. Israel means prince with God. When
Speaker 4: Jacob god honest, God showed him his true identity. He
Speaker 4: wasn't a deceiver. He was a prince. At times, we've
Speaker 4: all warned a mask, gone to run, pretending, trying to
Speaker 4: hide our faults. But when we do like Jacob, when
Speaker 4: we get honest with ourselves, when we're vulnerable enough to admit,
Speaker 4: I am Jacob, I have weaknesses. I'm struggling in these areas.
Speaker 4: God doesn't condemn you. That's when he'll give you your
Speaker 4: new name. The accuser will tell you you'll never change,
Speaker 4: Just keep pretending, keep living guilty. That is not your
Speaker 4: true identity. God knows who you really are. Your new
Speaker 4: name is waiting for you. You are not Jacob, you are Israel.
Speaker 4: You are a prince with God, you are royalty, you
Speaker 4: are forgiven, you are redeemed. When the accuser whispers, hey, Jacob,
Speaker 4: just say no, thanks, you have the wrong person. I
Speaker 4: am Israel. I'm not who I used to be. I
Speaker 4: am a new creation. Friends, this is a new day.
Speaker 4: I'm asking us to take off the mask, quit pretending,
Speaker 4: and let's go get our new names. If you'll do this,
Speaker 4: I believe and declare every force that's trying to stop
Speaker 4: you is being broken right now. God is going to
Speaker 4: mold you into a vessel of honor in Jesus' name.
Speaker 4: If you receive it, Can you say amen? Today I'd
Speaker 4: like to give you an opportunity to make Jesus the
Speaker 4: lord of your life. Would you pray with me? Just say, Lord, Jesus,
Speaker 4: I'll repent of my sins. Come into my heart. I
Speaker 4: make you my Lord and savior. Friends, if you prayed
Speaker 4: that simple prayer, we believe you got born again. Get
Speaker 4: in a good Bible based church, keep God first place, Victoria,
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