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Speaker 2: FT senior insider Ken Rosendal with us. It's the inside

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Speaker 2: scoop right now. Ken, I know we're still, let's see,

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Speaker 2: a month away from the trade deadline. The questions are constant,

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Speaker 2: as I'm sure you see the same. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: Scott, just what you said there that teams will wait

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Speaker 1: and the draft comes into play here, because that's right

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Speaker 1: at the All Star break, and teams are very heavy

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Speaker 1: in preparation for the draft right now. Not that they

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Speaker 1: that do not want to declare their intent, even amongst

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Speaker 2: So I want to throw a theory out there, and

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Speaker 2: it's based on recent history. The third wild card makes this,

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Speaker 2: I guess, a less sexy trade deadline because you have

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Speaker 2: good thing, I acquired this, you know, on June twenty

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Speaker 2: we're good, we got the offer we want, so here's

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Speaker 2: my question. Do you think some of the bottom feeders

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Speaker 2: some of those assets will not be as valuable. There'll

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Speaker 2: also they can talk a team into how doing this

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Speaker 1: Scott, you're speaking too logically, and what you're saying makes

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Speaker 1: that is the case. But the way deadlines work in

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Speaker 3: Talking about trades, Ken, this is gonna be I feel

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Speaker 2: Let's get to some definites you wrote in your latest

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Speaker 2: by broonea taste right now. Marlins Pirates, what do you

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Speaker 1: The Marlins have two starting pitchers that are going to

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Speaker 1: al Contra if all things are equal. He's got seventeen

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Speaker 4: of talk about one of the teams you hinted on

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Speaker 4: You talked about the Milwaukee Brewers might be trading Peralto,

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Speaker 1: They have gone on a run six and one, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, not worth it. Freddy is really

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Speaker 2: But there was one episode the other day Ken where

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Speaker 2: of it's one freaking Sodo. He's fine, right, So I'll

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Speaker 1: I did say, Juan freaking Sodo, and that is the

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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting to me. Even when he was struggling,

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Speaker 1: playing the way he is now. He's playing at an

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Speaker 1: that home runs in June He's right there with cal

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Speaker 3: Last question here, Ken, let's go down south to the

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Speaker 1: It's not a nightmare, Todd. As far as winning games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm perplexed by their season. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 2: but they can't score. So look, I said, freaking that's

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Speaker 2: the word of the week. Ken, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: What game Saturday? What do you got?

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Speaker 1: I got phillies at Braves?

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Speaker 2: Gotcha? All right, We'll see you Saturday. Then we'll be watching.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ken, Thanks guys, guys.

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Speaker 2: Uh fair Territory. Also, you had yesterday's episode which covered

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Rays ballpark situation. Ken also wrote

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Speaker 2: about that in The Athletic, But if you want to

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Speaker 2: learn more about that, we covered it yesterday on fil Territory.

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Speaker 2: Get Ken's take with Ilana, among many other topics, and

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Speaker 2: then he's back on Monday Live. This is the time

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Speaker 2: of year, I know. If you have trade questions, bring

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