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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it? Pat? Oh? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's put DeAndre open? He caught it for dockdown. You've

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Speaker 1: Problems solved, up down, Tyler Murray, That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty. Writer rights, the latest

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Speaker 1: news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foot of Baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know it's a

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Speaker 1: process here at Cardinals camp, any camp in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: any year. You do, indeed, take a day by day.

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Speaker 1: There are small victories within each day. Darren, you're a

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Speaker 1: veteran in these type of situations. For example, earlier today

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Speaker 1: I got Tyler news in the backup hunter to stop

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Speaker 1: calling me sir. I mean, I'd much rather answer to

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Speaker 1: Paul pencil Neck than sir. I know him twice his age,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't need to be called sir around

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Speaker 1: Cardinals camp. Finally, he didn't actually call me by my

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Speaker 1: name instead of sir. So once again the small, albeit

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Speaker 1: pyric victories, I'll take it at this point felt like

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a humble bride right there, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, No, he's calling you sir. I

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Speaker 1: see I thought where where you were going to go

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Speaker 1: to the acients because and and maybe it's just because

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Speaker 1: I'm moving up on the age scale that I feel like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got to have the jacket here at the stadium,

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Speaker 1: but you look like you're actually freezing right now. And

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Speaker 1: it's disappointing for somebody who's been a camp so many times.

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Speaker 1: The press box is always freezing cold. I always bring

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Speaker 1: a jacket every year. It doesn't matter if it's one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty two degrees outside, You're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: jacket in here, and you were trying to go without one,

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Speaker 1: and it's it looks like it's costing you right now.

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Speaker 1: This is my best impersonation as we get rolling here

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Speaker 1: coach on any NFL sideline during a snow game, you

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Speaker 1: know what happens. They come out in the first half

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Speaker 1: and they're in shirt sleeves and they're the tough guy.

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Speaker 1: And then after halftime they come back out and they

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Speaker 1: have like fourteen layers on. John Lott comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: I figured which snow game, Yes, something that I've been

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Speaker 1: doing research on for a project going forward. And look

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Speaker 1: some of those clips when he came out for the

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Speaker 1: pregame warmups when it was the snowing the hardest, which

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Speaker 1: stocking cap on, but then he had on a T

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Speaker 1: shirt and shorts and I'm like, you know, more power

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Speaker 1: to you, John. Nope, that did not last. So that's

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Speaker 1: sort of like me today. I lasted until this about

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Speaker 1: the top, like Isaiah Simmons had a first impression of

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Speaker 1: Zavia Collins. By the way, if you're using the word square,

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Speaker 1: doesn't that make you a square at this point in time?

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Speaker 1: If you're actually if square is still in your vernacular,

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Speaker 1: I did not check Urban Dictionary, no relation about what

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Speaker 1: truth be told. That's what Zavin Collins said. Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: Zavin Collins a weirdo, or at least he thought he

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Speaker 1: have been asked about it. You know, Jim Mhandro is

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Speaker 1: We have our own official in here, call the Flame.

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Speaker 1: They didn't. Yeah, so look, this is our our mandatory

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Speaker 1: That's just never a good thing. The under was a

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Speaker 1: the question is mentally, he is the opponent going to

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Speaker 1: Really now? Could he see some against the Titans? Absolutely

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Speaker 1: little play action over the top, although we did see

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Speaker 1: Did you notice what I've been talking about the entire offseason,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Zeke Turner's going anywhere. Nope. You

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Speaker 1: got Reggie Walker and a Terrence Smith. These guys at

425
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Speaker 1: the very end. Could they be standouts on teams and somehow,

426
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Speaker 1: But you're right, Zeke Turner is on every single special

427
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Speaker 1: teams unit. He's not going anywhere. So you know, unless

428
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Speaker 1: you're in a position where Dennis Gardeck isn't ready for

429
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the regular season and is still on popping,

430
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Speaker 1: you want to keep an extra linebacker and maybe Weaver's

431
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Speaker 1: I just I don't know if you're going to be

432
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Speaker 1: in a position to keep a sixth inside linebacker. And

433
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Speaker 1: that's that's the uphill battle Evan Weaver has. And if

434
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Speaker 1: when you look around the roster, you I was looking

435
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: at the deptart the other day, the first deptart came out,

436
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: there's really no surprises on it, and you really start

437
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: wondering exactly what the battles are that you're gonna have.

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, one of them might be at that third

439
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: running back position and special teams. But and I know

440
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 1: everybody loves Eno Benjamin and I think Eno Benjamin's had

441
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Speaker 1: a fairly solid camp when he's running the ball. But

442
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: I definitely think Jonathan Ward has had a solid camp.

443
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Speaker 1: I noticed unprompted that Justin Pugh brought up Jonathan Ward

444
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Speaker 1: the other day. And I know he can play special teams,

445
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: so you know he's got good size. He is a

446
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: legit six foot two h five or what have you.

447
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have some guys. This team is

448
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna has signed Edo Smith for example. I think this

449
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: team is going to sign some veterans because of these

450
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Speaker 1: injuries to get through some of the preseason games. And

451
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, oh, that's interesting. And I

452
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: don't know how many. I mean, like Edo Smith is

453
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Speaker 1: a great example. Ask Cliff Kingsbury about Edo Smith and

454
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Speaker 1: where he fits, and he basically said, we need some

455
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Speaker 1: bodies for preseason games. I don't know if they're I mean,

456
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Speaker 1: unless he does something crazy, I don't know if he's

457
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Speaker 1: really going to even be in the mix. I mean

458
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to bring in some defensive linemen. Yea,

459
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Speaker 1: even from the time of this recording. So when they

460
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Speaker 1: kick the ball off on Friday night, I think that's

461
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Speaker 1: coming sooner rather than later in terms of this recording, unfortunately,

462
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Speaker 1: but it is what it is. All right, Well, we'll

463
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Speaker 1: see if there's a guy from Stanford who might be

464
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Speaker 1: joining sometime in the near future. We'll see about that

465
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Speaker 1: D line. You're gonna have to bolster that running back.

466
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Speaker 1: Obviously you need bodies, yes, the infamous term camp bodies.

467
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Speaker 1: It's a reality. But you know what, that camp body

468
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Speaker 1: gets a chance to put some reps on film, and

469
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Speaker 1: if it's not the team he's playing for, it could

470
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Speaker 1: be another team. Perhaps. I think there's two positions, and

471
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Speaker 1: you named one of them running back, the other one.

472
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Speaker 1: Come August thirty first and final cuts around the league.

473
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Speaker 1: And by the way, there's just one and only cut

474
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Speaker 1: down no incorrect incorrect, So there's there's actually I don't

475
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Speaker 1: know if you remember back in the day. Back in

476
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Speaker 1: the day they used to go they used to only

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Speaker 1: be eighty men, and you go from eighty to seventy five,

478
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Speaker 1: and then seventy five to fifty three. Now then they

479
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Speaker 1: went to ninety and then you cut it cut all

480
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Speaker 1: the way down to fifty three. This year we're at ninety. Okay,

481
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Speaker 1: you go from ninety to eighty five I think next week,

482
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Speaker 1: and then you go from eighty five to eighty after

483
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Speaker 1: the second preseason game, and then you go from eighty

484
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Speaker 1: to fifty three the Tuesday after the final gotcha, which

485
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if that's August thirty first

486
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Speaker 1: or not. That's my fine birthday. I don't know what

487
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Speaker 1: day that falls. It's a Tuesday, the final cuts, which

488
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Speaker 1: I enjoy because it used to be on a Saturday

489
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Speaker 1: and you'd be sitting around all day waiting for the

490
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Speaker 1: team to announce it. And now it's just going to

491
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Speaker 1: be on a Tuesday during the day when we're all

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Speaker 1: working anyway, So, by the way, fine listeners the Cardinals underground,

493
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Speaker 1: don't buy that line from Darren. It's not his birthday.

494
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Speaker 1: It's Larry Fitzgerald's birthday and Darren's just renting to own. Okay,

495
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Speaker 1: let's let's just get that. You ask me on Twitter

496
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Speaker 1: the other day, They're like, are you gonna be celebrating

497
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Speaker 1: your birthday with Larry Fitzgerald? And I said, define with

498
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Speaker 1: I mean it's both. It's gonna be on August thirty first,

499
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: I mean, book your trip to ConA to play some golf.

500
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Speaker 1: You know they're talking about who's gonna be on the roster.

501
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: You know Lars Larry's not fun to that right now.

502
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Speaker 1: Are he's gonna say on my birthday, I'm coming back, baby,

503
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Speaker 1: look running back and above and beyond. That tight end

504
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Speaker 1: came August thirty first in the Final Cuts. I'll turn

505
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Speaker 1: it that way since I totally jacked up the entire

506
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Speaker 1: schedule the final come the final Cuts, it's gonna be

507
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Speaker 1: that tight end position because right now there's Max Williams

508
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Speaker 1: and everybody else. Do you agree with me on that one? Yes?

509
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Speaker 1: I mean Darrell Daniels is more of a blocking tight

510
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Speaker 1: end obviously. And if you're out at the Red White,

511
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Speaker 1: you saw a tough drop by Darrell Daniels. I would say,

512
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Speaker 1: if there's been a camp standout so far in a

513
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Speaker 1: certain position, a guy who's really making a run at

514
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Speaker 1: a roster spot legitimately out of nowhere to a roster

515
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Speaker 1: spot in might be Ross Travis, just based on need

516
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Speaker 1: and numbers in the tight end room and the fact

517
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Speaker 1: he has three four years worth of NFL experience. It's

518
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Speaker 1: funny you bring up if there's a camp standout. Now,

519
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I have anybody on

520
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Speaker 1: the lower end. But as long as we're at this position,

521
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Speaker 1: if I had to pick one guy who I'm like, Okay,

522
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: that guy's having a really good camp, I think it's

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Speaker 1: Max Williams. And I don't you know, I know there

524
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Speaker 1: are people. I've had a lot of people wondering why

525
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Speaker 1: they didn't resign Dan Arnold, especially at that price. Well,

526
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Speaker 1: dan Arnold just wasn't fitting into what they totally wanted

527
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Speaker 1: to do and there was a little bit there were

528
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Speaker 1: some issues there, and so they let him move on.

529
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Speaker 1: And they're like, but Dan Arnold was a pass catcher

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Speaker 1: that Max Williams isn't. He was like, he's a different

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Speaker 1: pass catcher. But I think I like what Max Williams

532
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: brings to the passing game when he's not blocking. His

533
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: problem is he doesn't stay healthy. But if he's healthy,

534
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Speaker 1: I like what he brings to this team. I like

535
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Speaker 1: that element, you know, down the seam and making some

536
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Speaker 1: tough catches, and I feel like he's done a really

537
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Speaker 1: nice job catching the ball. And then there was a

538
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: there was a practice, Uh, the day we're recording this

539
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: where Eno Benjamin had a nice long run and the

540
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Speaker 1: guy who sprung him the block that was important, Max Williams.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Max Williams is the tight

542
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Speaker 1: end that Dan Arnold isn't, and that isn't every down

543
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Speaker 1: tight app It was such a tell when Dan Arnold

544
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Speaker 1: would come into the game, and I'm not sure if

545
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: that's what led in part to his lack of production

546
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Speaker 1: a year ago. He had a lot of he had

547
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Speaker 1: a lot of pre snap penalties, There were some mental

548
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Speaker 1: areas with him, He had some big drops. Yeah, he's

549
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: got a ton of talent. We love the guy, and

550
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that whole you know, Sam Darnold to

551
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold connection, Darnold Arnold connection might come to fruition

552
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Speaker 1: in Carolina. I know, as the as the radio god

553
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Speaker 1: that you are, Paul, You're you're missing the opportunity. I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we heard

555
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Speaker 1: that you had gone back channel to try and see

556
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Speaker 1: if they had an opening for sideline reporter of the

557
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Speaker 1: Panthers this year. No. Well, when I was hanging with

558
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Speaker 1: Peter Schreger NFL Network, you know Shregs was Dan Arnold,

559
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: so you know Shraigs is the one who has to

560
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: come to grips that Dan Arnold underwhelmed a year ago.

561
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Peter Schreger, he bought that unfortunately. So let's let's name

562
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Speaker 1: some names. You know what Camp Surprise, camp standout. I

563
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Speaker 1: would agree I'd have a hard time arguing against Max Williams.

564
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Speaker 1: Even though he's an establish, you know, a reliable NFL

565
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Speaker 1: tight end. He has looked excellent. Could I say in

566
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Speaker 1: that similar vein Colt McCoy Cole McCoy has been better

567
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: than going to be How can you not look at

568
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy and say, oh boy, this guy would have

569
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Speaker 1: been on the roster week seventeen year ago. The Years

570
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals are a playoff team twenty twenty. If

571
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: Colon McCoy checks into that Rams game, do you have

572
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Speaker 1: any doubt that he leaves the Cardinals to victory? After

573
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Speaker 1: what I've seen in this camp so far and the

574
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Speaker 1: Red and White, do I have any doubt? I mean

575
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: that's the Rams weren't hurt defensively and that was the

576
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Speaker 1: one problem in that game. And maybe you're right, I

577
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: think they would add a much better chance. I don't

578
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Speaker 1: know if I would say any doubt, but camp standout

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Speaker 1: number three, Robert Alfred. Robert Alfred's looked pretty good about

580
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Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore. We're talking about stand outs. Silly, a shocker,

581
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: but a standout shocker. Now, if you wanted to get

582
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: to guys off the radar who maybe have surprise a

583
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: little bit, I'd throw Michael Dogby out there. A lot

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Speaker 1: of guys talk about when you talk to them, they

585
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Speaker 1: bring up Michael Dogby, they bring up his off season

586
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: and Zach Allen mentioned what those guys did, what they

587
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: committed themselves too in the off season. Well, Dogby was

588
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: part of that group, was Zach Allen and company. Where

589
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: Zach Allen dropped wait or no, he bulked up to

590
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Speaker 1: two eighty five, but he dropped his body. Dogby look

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Speaker 1: I like Michael Dogby a lot and as a person.

592
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Speaker 1: And when he if you looked at the guy who

593
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Speaker 1: walked in the door three years ago, now whatever it is,

594
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Speaker 1: and and you look at the dude now, I mean

595
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: he looks. He looks like a pro wrestler now, like

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. I mean, he looks. His body

597
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: type is just amazing he's done an amazing job building

598
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: himself up, trying to learn. Now. I saw him the

599
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: other day Brentson Buttner Buck was kind of getting after

600
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Speaker 1: him after a play. So obviously there's still things he's learning.

601
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Speaker 1: Um and and the problem is is if everybody's healthy. Yeah,

602
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know where his role is, you know, and

603
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: that's that's the issue. But is everybody gonna be healthy?

604
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean, are we gonna see Jordan Phillips do something?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're telling me on the final cutdown,

606
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Speaker 1: everyone's healthy, So JJ Watt, Jordan Phillips, Zach Allen, Corey Peters,

607
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Lucky Foe to or Chard Lawrence, I'll make the team.

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00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Guess what. Michael Doggby's on the outside looking in. Michael

609
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Speaker 1: Dogby is the guy who will be signed immediately and

610
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Speaker 1: make a final fifty three for somebody else in this league.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt on my mind on that year he

612
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: was cut the practice. Now I think he doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: this year. I don't think that might in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what sort of and that's going to be

615
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: the key thing, like what does he doing the preseason games?

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Speaker 1: It was sort of like that safety years ago who

617
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: was cut by the Cardinals and went to the Chicago

618
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Bears in double yeah, yeah, Butler Jones something like that.

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Speaker 1: I can picture his face. That's one of the Cardinals.

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00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: That's the other position group in room that's really deep

621
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Speaker 1: to me is safety and talking to some of the

622
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Speaker 1: personnel people at Cardinals camp, there's gonna be a safety

623
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Speaker 1: wh gets cut who probably catches on with another team.

624
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I could see that. How about Jason Whittaker. Can I

625
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: throw Jace Whittaker out there? The kind of smaller out there.

626
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Speaker 1: We already mentioned Ross Travis and then maybe Andre Butchelli

627
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: had a he had a hot start. He's maybe cooled

628
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Speaker 1: off a little bit. We'll see how productive he is,

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Speaker 1: especially in the second half of some of these three

630
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Speaker 1: preseason games. Once again, at least these guys have the

631
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Speaker 1: preseason games. You know in the sam name of Tony Jefferson,

632
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Speaker 1: the guy who made a couple of picks in this

633
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Speaker 1: third and No. One was the fourth preseason game. I

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Speaker 1: think a Tony Jefferson's rookie year, there's no way he's

635
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Speaker 1: making the team until the final preseason game. He had

636
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: a couple of picks in that game and boom, the

637
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: rest is history. When you look at this roster, though,

638
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like the receiver is like, are we talking

639
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: about having a place in the locker room because they

640
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: end up on the practice squad? Are we talking about?

641
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is, like you look at

642
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: some of these things, I just I feel like this

643
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: team is will there be There's always usually a couple

644
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: of surprises, and preseason games can change some things, and

645
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: injuries can change some things. But man, it just feels

646
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: like I feel I feel more like this roster is

647
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: close to being set, maybe more than I have in

648
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, honestly, let's hit zoom out. There

649
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: are two rookies who really have a chance to make

650
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: an impact this year, and it might be a heck

651
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: of an impact if you're talking about Zaven Collins and

652
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore. I think the Arizona Cardinals desperately need what

653
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: those guys offer. They need Zaven Collins to be that capable,

654
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: athletic and mentally competent insidelnebacker and call the defense and

655
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: really be stout at the point of attack and your

656
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: point is coverage downfield. And DeAndre Hopkins maybe even or

657
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: I'll say, just as some as is run stuffing ability

658
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: will be coverage on tight ends and running backs. And

659
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals got exposed last year and that it just

660
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: it was a liability. It just was, which is one

661
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons that they targeted Zaven Collins. On the

662
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, Rondale More and what he

663
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: can do to either take the top off or be

664
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: that guy than an opposing defense. Fears and the Jets

665
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: suite getting the ball in space and making a defense

666
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: think about more as a receiving option than just DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah,

667
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: and so with that in mind, I mean, is it

668
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: preposterous to think? And once again, everybody less than a

669
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: month in counting here it comes, you can go ahead

670
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: and bet on this sort of stuff and wager on it.

671
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Who's going to be your defensive Rookie of the year.

672
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Who's going to be your offensive rookie of the year,

673
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: just like Kyler was offensive Rookie of the year after

674
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen campaign. What do you think Rondale Moore

675
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: and Zaven Collins, They're going to be given every chance

676
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: to earn those honors. See, I would think if you're

677
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: talking about those two guys, I mean, I think Zaven

678
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Collins is going to have a better chance because he's

679
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: gonna get more snaps. I had somebody in the mailbag

680
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: bring up the receivers the other day and they're like, Okay,

681
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: so you got DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green in the outside,

682
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: you got Rondale Moore in the slot, and then you

683
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: know you have Kirk doing this. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

684
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Christian Kirk's going to be your number three receiver.

685
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore is not going to be the third receiver. Now.

686
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Could he end up there at some point later in

687
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: the season, maybe, but I think ultimately the way Cliff

688
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: Kingsbury has talked about him, in the way that they

689
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: look at those other receivers, he's not gonna get He's

690
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: not gonna get eighty targets this season. It's that's not

691
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the guy. He's gonna be the change

692
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: up or the explosive guy or whatever. I don't he's

693
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: not going to be steadily fed the ball. I don't think. Now.

694
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I don't. So I don't

695
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: think he's gonna do enough to earn an award like that.

696
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Whereas Davan Collins. I think is going to be out

697
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: there the vast majority of the time, and if he

698
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: plays at a high level, he's got a shot at it.

699
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: You know how, we'll be able to decipher whether Rondale

700
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: Moore was an impact player or not in my opinion

701
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: in this Cardinals offense by the end of the season

702
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: when you look at pre snap motion, a category where

703
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were dead last a year ago. To me,

704
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: that's incomprehensible that at Cliff Kingsbury offense actually had the

705
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: least amount of pre snap motion. Now we've talked about

706
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: that up tempo and you gotta get on the ball.

707
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Maybe okay, But if Rondelle Moore is truly the weapon

708
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: they envision, then he gives them that. He gives him

709
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: that facet of the offense. If Andy Isabella in his

710
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: third year truly is a different player and he has

711
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: evolved and grown his game, then he could be the

712
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: other guy, the other pre snap motion guy. Everyone's looking

713
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: for that Tyreek Hill. It was in motion and they're

714
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: all eleven guys are looking at him in the distraction

715
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: and that whole thing. Well, Rondelle Moore could be so

716
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: valuable in that capacity in this Cardinals offense. So I

717
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: wonder if that could be his role if nothing else,

718
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: is a decoy just because everybody knows, but it is possible.

719
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: And if he if he's used as a decoy in

720
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: that fashion and it helps the offense. I mean, it's

721
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: not going to get him any Rookie of the Year votes,

722
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: but it's going to help this offense, and that that's

723
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: what he's there for. Get Rondale Moore the ball in

724
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: space against Alice. Do it, especially a national TV against

725
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Right, get the word out, then Darren fans,

726
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: the flames of this Twitter account and easy Cardinals dot com,

727
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: and you start just beating that drum Rondale more unbelievable

728
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: camp sensation. Did you see what he did in the

729
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: two preseason games? You haven't even seen what he's done

730
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: in Cardinals camp. And then boom, all of a sudden,

731
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: the Titans are wondering, Okay, what's coming here, Mike vrabel

732
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: one company, what exactly is this Rondale Moore kid all about?

733
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: So that's how you use him to your advantage. I

734
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: think that works for me. I don't want to be

735
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: as dramatic as that, but you know, by the way,

736
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: by the way, let's name all the receivers, because this

737
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: year could be the year of the dominion of American

738
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals offense. Let's name all the receivers under

739
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: five ten, A lot of whom we saw in that

740
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Red White prior just did we not there? This is

741
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: a sore subject for some fans. I don't know if

742
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: what what are you talking? Okay? No, I mean just

743
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: that right there is just dripping with disrespect. When you

744
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: have Andy Isabella, you have Jojo Ward. Uh, you have

745
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: a Rondale Moore, Uh, Andre Butchelli five nine tops uh?

746
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: Greg Dorch five to seven? I post up Greg Dortch.

747
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that right now. Who the guy

748
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: they just signed out a by U of Vella he foe.

749
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: He fits into that category. There's like at least a

750
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: half dozen. I don't know if they're trying to reenact

751
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: the whole smurfs. You know Washington Receiver Corps back from

752
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: the early eighties. But there were moments during the Red

753
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: White We're like, wow, check that out. Yeah, there was

754
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: a there was a one time when they ran eleven

755
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: personnel out there and the three receivers. Was Dorch in

756
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: the in the slot in the and the two outside

757
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: guys were Jojo Ward and h and Andy Isabella. And

758
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella looks like a freaking monster compared to I mean,

759
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: at least Andy Isabella is built. I mean Jojo Ward

760
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: looks like a smaller version of a shorter version of

761
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: JJ Nelson. So yeah, so it was intriguing. Yeah, you know,

762
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's there's a package in the works,

763
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: if you know, especially in the preseason, where you throw

764
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: that out you have a little fun with it. But

765
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: and then on the opposite side of that, when you

766
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: see six foot seven Josh Jones at guard, and I'll

767
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: be honest with you, when they started touting him as

768
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: a possible guard, I'm like, ah, that's just a stop gap,

769
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: that's just temporary, that's you know, okay. But the way

770
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about it, and I guess we should buy it,

771
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: Josh Jones has a legitimate future at guard potential. I mean,

772
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury said he you know, there's certainly something that

773
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: they would look at in terms of being a long

774
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: term guard. I think ultimately they're trying to be flexible

775
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: with some of it, you know. Josh Jones says he

776
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: wants to be on the field, whether he's playing guard

777
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: or tackle. You know, you figured Dj Humphries, although at

778
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: some point, even though he just signed that extension, it

779
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: was a short extension, so he's gonna need another. You're

780
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out what you're gonna do with

781
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: him at left tackle, you know, at Kelly is Kelvin

782
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Beacham eventually going to be replaced by Josh Jones. Are

783
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: you Are you good at it? I mean, there's there's

784
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: things you're gonna have to figure out. I know this,

785
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: which is I'm not sure what they're going to do

786
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: it right guard right now, because Justin Murray has been

787
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: hurt and Brian Winters has been hurt, and Jones is

788
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: getting all the snaps right now, and those are the

789
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: three guys battling for this starting job. But as we

790
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: record this right now, there's still a month away, more

791
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: than a month away from the regular season, so a

792
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: lot can still happen. And other than that, I really

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: liked this offensive line. I like Humphries. I think Justin

794
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: Pugh is in really good shape, and I think he

795
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: played pretty well last year. Are you know Humphreys definitely

796
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: played well last year. They got Rodney Hudson at center.

797
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I thought Kelvin Beacham was pretty solid last year. Now

798
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: we talked about some of the pre snap penalties. I'm like,

799
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: they're trying to get those out and they're a little

800
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: bit more. They're they're having officials call for stuff really tight,

801
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: and they're making a big deal about if a guy

802
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: does when he has to come out of the rep

803
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: and be replaced, So you're noticing it even more. Year

804
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: they weren't doing that part of it. I mean, if

805
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: they made a mistake, they just would re set. Now

806
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: they're having somebody throw a flag. The guy's got to leave,

807
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: so you're noticing it. But there's more presnap penalties in

808
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: practice than i'd like to see right now. Hopefully they

809
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: can get all that stuff out before the game's count.

810
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: And once again, to your point, it's noticeable because the

811
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: guilty party is replaced. Yeah, yester one, it's the whole

812
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, you feel shame, you jog off the field,

813
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: replacement comes in. We're gonna we're gonna check that real quick.

814
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: Sean Cooler said, it's not about feeling, Shane, it's so

815
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: that you can come out and clear your head. Oh, stop, stop,

816
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: Do you give them a participation trophy? You get out

817
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: of here with that? I'm sorry, it sure looks like

818
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I feel shame to me, it does, and by design

819
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. They want you to be accountable and

820
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: you have to be accountable to everybody on that team

821
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: because there were far too many penalties last year. Everybody

822
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: now the Arizona Cardinals led the NFL and penalties, far

823
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: too many pre snap penalties. And when Cliff Kingsbury sites

824
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: it just press comments near the beginning to camp that

825
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals led the NFL installed drives due to flags.

826
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: Guess what, it's very costly. It's a big time problem

827
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: they have to resolve. So you otherwise though the town

828
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: out there. And then you had Sean Coogler calling Josh

829
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: Miles the most improved offense. That was interesting. And when

830
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: you talk about that too, Paul, that's another reason why, Okay,

831
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: maybe you're okay with Josh Jones playing a little more

832
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: guard if you feel like Josh Miles can be the tackle.

833
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: So right now, left or right, this is the way

834
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: you draw it up. You're gonna have DJ Humprey's justin

835
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: Pugh Rodney Huntson as your center. I'm gonna go with

836
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Justin Murray as you're starting right guard. I'm just gonna

837
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: go that direction. I know it could be Josh Jones,

838
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: it could maybe be Brian Winners. There's another guy. We

839
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: don't know when Brian Winners is coming back. At least

840
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything as to that front. Then Calvin

841
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Beecham is your right tackle. Okay, those other two guards,

842
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: there's three guys a right guard who are making the team.

843
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Max Garcia is your backup center. Josh Smiles is going

844
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: to make the team. That's nine. That's nine right there,

845
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: is it not? So guess what? That's a a deep room.

846
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: And uh and so getting back to my original point

847
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: when you talk about, okay, no quarterback, no chance. No

848
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: oh line no chance. So at least the Cardinals are

849
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: deep along that offensive line front. Although Brian Winner's contract,

850
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: for example, if he ends up being the third string

851
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: right guard, he's in jeopardy. His contract is structured from

852
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: my understanding, where it's very viable for the Cardinals to

853
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: make I have to go look at those all those contracts.

854
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: But the guys that are that are fighting for reserve spots.

855
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: There's there. They're not locks because of their contracts. And

856
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: by the way, the Rodney Hudson impact, you know, it's

857
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: something I know we wanted to talk about, and guys

858
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: have cited. The best thing I've heard, and we could

859
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: cite a whole number of different things, is the fact

860
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: that Rodney Hudson, in addition to everything else and everything

861
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: we've heard about him and being a two time Pro

862
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: Bowl performer and a guy who wasn't flagged for a

863
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: penalty all of last seas, let that wash over you

864
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: wasn't flagged for a penalty in twenty twenty and as

865
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: no fall star penalty since twenty sixteen. By the way, okay,

866
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: that's music to Shaun Coogler's ears right there. The fact

867
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: that he's a grinder and he watches a ton of

868
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: film and he's ultra prepared. You can't tell me that

869
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: doesn't help a young quarterback. Sure, Just the preparation skills

870
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: and just knowing anything and everything about an opposing defense.

871
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: And let's say, if there might be a gap in

872
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: your young quarterbacks and knowledge going into a certain game week,

873
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, from all appearances, is going to be the

874
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: guy to fill that in and be the source of

875
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: that knowledge in game adjustments which are so critical, you

876
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: know it, Darren being down on the sideline. They'll play

877
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: the opening series or two and then boom they're making

878
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: adjustments and what a defensive coordinator is trying that week.

879
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. I mean, I don't think there's

880
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: any question. The Cardinals looked very seriously at Corey Lindsley,

881
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: the free agent guard from or center from the Packers

882
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: who ended up signing with the Chargers and trying to

883
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: get them. But the fact that when that didn't work out,

884
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: that Hudson became available and then you get him in here,

885
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't know much about Lindsley other

886
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: than he played really well last year, but he was

887
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: playing with Aaron Rodgers. Like, I'm not so sure for

888
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: this team, Like you were saying because of Kyler that

889
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: maybe Rodney Hudson doesn't end up being a better fit

890
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: for what they need right now. Now, maybe maybe in

891
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: three years you wish you have a younger guy, But

892
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: right now I'm wondering if Rodney Hudson is it makes

893
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: more sense Lindsley went to the Chargers, right, Yes, correct,

894
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: how about Well, to answer your question, how about Justin

895
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: Pugh's quote and I have it right here from your

896
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: story on Easy Cardinals dot Com. Justin Pugh and Rodney Hudson,

897
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: and I quote, He's gonna get mad at me for

898
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: saying this, but I consider him a Chris Paul type. Addition,

899
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: were you bringing that guy with veteran leadership who knows

900
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: how to do things right off the field and it

901
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: trickles on to the field. Man That got everyone's attention

902
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: in that media room when Justin Pugh dropped a Chris

903
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Paul comparison Rodney Hudson and what he means to the

904
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals old line and offense, it was funny that he

905
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: said he's not going to be happy that I say it.

906
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, because Rodney Hudson isn't quite thirty six

907
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: thirty seven in this in the valley. I mean, Chris

908
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: Paul is a big deal. Now, not everybody listening to

909
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: this podcast. It doesn't necessarily listen to the NBA or

910
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Sons fans, but there's a lot of crossover fans. And

911
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: the bottom line is Chris Paul made a huge impact

912
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: and changed the dynamic of a team that was not

913
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: winning and they became winning. Now can Rodney Hudson do that?

914
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that necessarily means,

915
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, a center is going to change the scoreboard

916
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: that often. There's so many more moving parts, But I

917
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: do I can't see some of the parallels, I'll be honest,

918
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: in terms of what you can bring to the locker room.

919
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: And here's one adjustment that defense is made a year ago,

920
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: and everyone's trying to understand what happened to the Cardinals,

921
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: and especially the Cardinals offense from the six and three

922
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: start to losing five of the last seven and then

923
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Kyler over the first nine games

924
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: had twenty seven offensive touchdowns that's either throwing or running,

925
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: and then over the last seven games he accounted for

926
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: only ten offensive touchdowns. So what happened the before and

927
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: the after? Well, one big adjustment by opposing defensive coordinators

928
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: was to go with a five man defensive line. At

929
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: times they would go mush rush, they would hang and

930
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: just they wouldn't really pursue Kyler. They'd hang back, throw

931
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: their arms up trying bad passes and clog up the

932
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: passing lanes. But at the same time. When it came

933
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: to the run game, guess what, Every single Cardinals offensive

934
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: lineman had a one on one block that he had

935
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: to win. There were no more the combo blocks. And

936
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: guess what that exposed Mason Cole. Rodney Hudson is, from

937
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: all appearances, is going to be much more adept at

938
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: winning those one on one battles. And when the Cardinals

939
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: are trying to run it up the middle and go

940
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: through the gap, guess what. I think They're gonna have

941
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: a lot more room to run this year when Rodney

942
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Hudson is that guy. Again. For everything we talk about

943
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: with Rodney Hudson brings off the field and the Chris

944
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Paul and all that stuff, none of it matters unless

945
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: you're a good player in the first place. And that's

946
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: why Chris Paul works so well. As Yeah, he brought

947
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: the leadership, and he made DeAndre Ayton pay attention better

948
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: to his game, and he raised Booker and everything. But

949
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Chris Paul also could score eighteen points a game and

950
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: get you twelve assists. And if Rodney Hudson can't block,

951
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: then it doesn't matter. If he's super smart and prepares

952
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: and and we know he can block and that's the thing.

953
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: What about Buddha as a leader on the other side

954
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: of the ball. I know there's been some chatter about

955
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: him being more of a vocal Well, he said leader.

956
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: He said he wanted to. He's going to be more vocal.

957
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: He said, he's making an effort to be more vocal.

958
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: What does he mean by that, holding guys accountable? Does

959
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: that mean more of the raw ross speeches, you know,

960
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: the pregame speech accountable? I mean he basically said there

961
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: were times in the past, if he's somebody making average efforts,

962
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: sometimes he'd say something, but sometimes he wouldn't. He doesn't

963
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: not anymore. Now he's hell, if he sees something average,

964
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: he's calling him out. And I just think it's good.

965
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: You could just see Buddha being a lot more comfortable

966
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: in his own skin. It's it's a natural progression. He's

967
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: been in the league, whatever it's been five years. Now

968
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna get more and more feeling better. I really

969
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: liked his answer. Somebody said, was it you know, is

970
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: this a natural transition now that Patrick's gone? And I

971
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: like how he said, Look, Patrick was a good leader

972
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: and we're going to miss him around here. But I

973
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: feel like I was going to make this move regardless

974
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: of what Patrick did, and I think that's important to

975
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: know that. I'm not sure I buy that. I'm not

976
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: sure it's that easy for him to be the unquestioned

977
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: leader of the secondary of pat P is still back there.

978
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: I do think, I honestly, what I think is as

979
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: I think when he got to Sea last year and

980
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: midway through the season after Chandler Jones went down, I

981
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: think he understood how people thought about him, and I

982
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: think that gave him that confidence to do it. So, yes,

983
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: I do believe he would have at this point, and

984
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what, that's a great point. Yes,

985
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: I think it was sort of a validation, almost a

986
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy when they put the Sea on and

987
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: before the last couple of games down in the tunnel,

988
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: as I vividly remember this in La now, Cardinals didn't

989
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: come out. I don't know why they didn't respond, But

990
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: the guy given the pregame speech was Buddha Baker. He

991
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: had full command and control of that team as the

992
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: leader of pre game. He goes, Remember that's a role

993
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: back in the day was filled by a Tyrann Matthew

994
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: or a Kolis Campbell and in this case, Buddha Baker

995
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: was the guy who stepped up, and so maybe that's

996
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: sort of a harbingerer what's to come this season. But

997
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: I think you make a good point. It's interesting without

998
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson in the locker room and without Larry Fitzgerald

999
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: in the locker room, it's it's definitely a different generation

1000
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: or whatever. And we can talk about bringing in JJ

1001
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: Watt and Ridey Hudson and everything. I don't know how

1002
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: that's going to go. I think jj Watt is going

1003
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: to be a good leader, but again, you've got to

1004
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: get on the field. He hasn't been on the field yet.

1005
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: You know, training camps a different thing. But and we're

1006
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: all assuming jj Watt's eventually going to be back out

1007
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: there with after the hamstring. But you know, I think

1008
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: bud Buddha shows it on the field. He plays the game,

1009
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: and then so when he talks to you, you're gonna listen.

1010
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: And you know what, there's been a lot of talk

1011
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: about Kyler stepping up in the leadership department. He suited

1012
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: that himself in the offseason. Guys have said they noticed

1013
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: a difference so far, and just like Pat pe not

1014
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: being on the defensive side of the ball. To your point,

1015
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, not on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah,

1016
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: it paves the way for a guy like Kyler. So

1017
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Here's the question I want

1018
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: to ask Cliff Kingsbury and the press conference, and I

1019
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: don't do it because I know I won't get an answer. Coach,

1020
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: what do you need to see in these preseason games,

1021
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: starting with preseason game number one against Dallas? What do

1022
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: you want to see? There are questions? You know how

1023
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: this works. Coaches aren't going to answer it. The players

1024
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: answer these questions. The players need to answer these questions

1025
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: make the decision for the coaches. In the ideal world,

1026
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: for Cliff Kingsbury, he comes out after four quarters against

1027
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and what does he know? What does he

1028
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: find out about it? It's a great question. I mean,

1029
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: you know he's he's gonna want to make sure nobody

1030
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: important gets hurt. Okay, that's number one. Okay, that's the

1031
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: default setting. No injuries. That is the most important. We

1032
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: can't and in this first game, I don't know if

1033
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: he's looking for a whole lot. I mean, I don't

1034
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: think he wants the offense to look like garbage, or

1035
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: the defense for that matter. It'll be interesting to see

1036
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: if Dak Prescott ends up playing for the Cowboys. I

1037
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: would guess not. Yeah, earlier this week he was barely

1038
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: even throwing the football, so I'm guessing probably not. So defensively,

1039
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: you better play pretty well because you know, Marii Cooper

1040
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: just came back. I don't think he's gonna play. I mean,

1041
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, the Star Cowboys camp. For everything I've seen,

1042
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, Ceedee Lamb has been unreal. In fact, he

1043
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: went off in the joint practice against the Rams and

1044
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: he torched the Rams defense. So Ceedee Lamb looks to

1045
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: me a guy who's gonna take that step from his

1046
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: rookie year second year, and the Cardinals will see him

1047
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: in the regular season. By the way, there was a

1048
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: fight in oxen Hard. By the way, it was somebody

1049
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: actually fought Aaron Donald. It was a quick fight and

1050
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: it was very physical. It was Connor Williams, an offensive

1051
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: lineman for the Dallas Cowboys, got into it with Aaron Donald.

1052
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: So PAULI props to Connor Williams for engaging Aaron Donald

1053
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: in the fisticuffs. But I mean other than that. I

1054
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Speaker 1: mean what I mean, you might like David Collins, you

1055
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Speaker 1: obviously want to see him be instinctive, you do. I

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00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: mean there's like little like nuanced things. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be anything you're gonna be able to look

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00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: at the stat sheet and go okay, or I feel

1059
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways, this first game is

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00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: like you just don't want it to be a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, they haven't been on the field. It's

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00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: not like they've had a ton of podded practices. There's

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00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: going to be some mistakes and there's gonna be like

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00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: first game stuff, So you just don't want it to

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00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: look terrible. That's kind of how I would look at it.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: like sit there and say this team is doomed or

1068
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: this team is going all the way based on whatever

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00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: they do this weekend. I'd like to see Marco Wilson

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Speaker 1: because in today's NFL, not only do you need three corners,

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00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: you probably need four, and so i'd love to see

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Speaker 1: Marco Wilson actually, um, you know, show up and show

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00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: out Robert Alford. I wouldn't mind seeing in up real game,

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00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: in real game action, there's no doubt about it. You know,

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00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: so far, so good with Robert Alford. But now the

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: next step and then some of the young defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Lecky Foe two man, there was a rep and I

1078
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: forget which young unknown offensive lineman he was going against,

1079
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: but it was one on one O line against E line,

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00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: and Lecky Foe two decided to go with the bull rush.

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00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: Now they list him at three thirty five. I'd say

1082
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: that's conservative, but that's just me in the eyeball test

1083
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: standing next to Lecky Foe two. Um. You know, I'm

1084
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: not saying this like doo SLA two E. Difference from

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00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: what's listed and what is. But first of all, first

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Speaker 1: of all, let me cut you off here. I don't

1087
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: want I want to get to the end of your story, Paul,

1088
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: because it's very important. Sure, but with all due respect,

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00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Duce latui um. While they're both large men, uh, Lecky

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00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: Foto is built like he's not. Deuce had some extra

1091
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: poundage on him, right, which, yeah, that's it's fine. That

1092
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: was part of him as much jiggling with Luck is

1093
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: like you can see why he would play whatever he

1094
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: played rugby was he a rugby guy. I mean, he mean,

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00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: he is absolutely stout. There is no still want to

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00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: see him get a goal on carry. We got a

1097
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: thumbs up from our referee once again, the official and

1098
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: then once again. If I'm playing rugby and Lecky Foto

1099
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: is running the ball down the field, I'm finding another sport.

1100
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that much right now. Anyway, he

1101
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: went with a bull rush and the kid had no chance.

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00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: The offensive lineman, the young unknown. So I'm curious to

1103
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: see Lucky Foe two in year two and what he

1104
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: looks like. And uh, and then Josh Jones is going

1105
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: to get a lot of reps, so you'll see about

1106
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: him because right now it is unknown Justin Murray and

1107
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Brian Winters in the injury situation. So you know, yeah,

1108
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously Cliff Kingsbury has his list. He's checking

1109
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: it twice. He wants to get some of these answers

1110
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: by the end of the preseason game and he still

1111
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: has two more games after that. But the fact the

1112
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: other question, and I didn't quite have the guts to

1113
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: pose this maybe tomorrow. I got to work up my

1114
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: gumption to pose this question. Coach. Coach, here we go.

1115
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: That's a little dramatic reenactment here. Let's play this out. Okay, okay, um, So, coach,

1116
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, you had a certain approach to

1117
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: the preseason and didn't show a whole lot. Twenty and twenty,

1118
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: you didn't have a preseason. Um, what about this year?

1119
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: You seem to regret the twenty nineteen preseason? What about

1120
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: this year? What is your approach and philosophy as to

1121
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: how much you may or may not show this preseason?

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00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: That's the question I wanted to ask. I chickened out.

1123
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: I chickened out, So I want I want that answer. Yeah,

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00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: I need to go to that press conference just to

1125
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: get that qu right. Is he talking tomorrow? Because I will.

1126
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: I'll take one for the team. I know you want

1127
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: the answer. Bobby Mack wants the answer, but he wants it.

1128
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: I'll go, I'll step up, I'll take one for the team,

1129
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: and I'll pose that question. I'm at all the press.

1130
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: You think we'll get an answer? By the way, way

1131
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: do you think we'll get an answer? You know what,

1132
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I think once you make the point,

1133
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: which he knows very well that he did, come out

1134
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: later and say he regretted doing it. Did I don't.

1135
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why he wouldn't. Now I don't know

1136
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: how much he's going to tell you how much he's

1137
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: really going to show, But it doesn't. See, the thing

1138
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: is is does it really matter? Because it's not like

1139
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: teams are going to watch more tape. Okay, so here's

1140
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: here's here's the old cliche. The proverbally answer to that

1141
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: is it does matter because now you make your Week

1142
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: one opponent prepare for everything. What if the Cardinals came

1143
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: out on offensive, Kyler's under center, and then Kyler's in

1144
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: the pistol, and then Kyler's a gun and you're running

1145
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel and you're running five receivers and empty sets.

1146
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: What if you're running What if fans Joseph is sending

1147
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: the house and the exotic schemes and everything and everything,

1148
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: and then boom, all of a sudden, Mike Rabel's like,

1149
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, that's fair, that's fair, But I have

1150
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: to wait waste practice time on everything. The problem with

1151
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: that becomes, you have now gone, you've done a total

1152
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: one eighty from what you did the first preseason thing,

1153
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: and you end up with the same results. Like part

1154
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: of the issue. Part of the reason he said he

1155
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: regretted doing what he did in twenty nineteen was because

1156
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: they just weren't ready to do what they were going

1157
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: to do. If you go out and have them do

1158
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: some junk drawer box of plays just to show it,

1159
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: you're still you're still leaving yourself in the same position

1160
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: where you haven't really practiced what you need to do.

1161
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: You're just showing a bunch of crap. And you instead

1162
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: of being super vanilla now you're being super rocky road

1163
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: pebbles ice cream. Where no go with your It's like

1164
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: you got a Philip screw driver, you got some rubber bands,

1165
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: you got a paper clips. Also, aren't you just hurting

1166
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: yourself on the other end of the spectrum? Got some

1167
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: chopsticks from from the to Go the Night Before, the

1168
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: red rubber nose and rubber robber clown nose. Sure you

1169
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: got an old flashlight with no batteries, I mean, family

1170
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Speaker 1: few top five things. You'll find it in a junct

1171
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Speaker 1: or Greg gril Goo three three batteries and none of

1172
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Speaker 1: them work exactly. Okay, just as long as you don't

1173
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: say that about this edition of Cardinals Underground hopefully that's

1174
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: not a metaphor for what we just put on, Just

1175
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: talking about a junct ural we're Square's true. Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 1: Okay square, I can live with. If you're calling me

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Speaker 1: a weirdo, We're going into the parking lot and that'll

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Speaker 1: do it. But that's what weirdos do, right. This edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground and brought to you by Pacific Office

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