WEBVTT - #770 Packers Unscripted: Rookie reactions 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.120 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.520 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.840 by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkoitz. We're coming to you 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.279 hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. The 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.320 twenty twenty four Packers Rookie Mini Camp is in the books. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.960 It took place last weekend, the rookies arriving on Thursday, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.879 practices on Friday and Saturday. Lots of meetings, orientation stuff, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:39.920 playbook stuff, find your way around the building stuff. But 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.879 the rookies have gotten their introduction to the Green Bay 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:48.280 Packers and how businesses conducted here. What were your overall 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.760 impressions when you came away from the weekend. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.360 I on Saturday evening, I was gathering my thoughts after 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.880 we got done with practice. I was working on Insider 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.160 Inbox and finishing up our five Things story. I was 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.480 just sitting at my desk is very quiet, and I 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.680 actually ended up tweeting this too. It hit me that, 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.959 in my opinion, I've covered these going back to twenty eleven. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:10.920 I believe I helped out on it the first time 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.520 and that was one of the most if not the 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.040 most competitive rookie mini camp or if you can go 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.360 back to Macarthy era rookie orientation that I'd been a 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.880 part of. I felt just like there were so many 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.280 young guys that made plays. And certainly we can talk 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.520 about the inside linebackers and the speed and the vocality 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.640 of the safety position, but there were undrafted free agents, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.320 there were tryout guys. A few of them ended up 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.840 getting a signed to the roster that I felt like 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.959 really captured the moment. And Matt Lafuer set the tone 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.000 for this on Friday evening when he said, you know, 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.840 we're trying to do our walkthrough and these guys, we're 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.160 trying to pull them back a little bit, because I 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.240 think what you had is you had this mesh between 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.080 rookie draft picks that want to end press and are 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.080 taking their job very serious. A guy like Kyln King 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.280 was actually talking about, Hey, I'm going to be the 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.920 most competitive player on the field, and those guys lived 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.040 up to that. But then you also had the undrafted 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.800 free agents trying to make an impression. You also had 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.960 the tryout guys trying to earn a job. And with 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.959 those fifty players that were out there on the field 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.160 on Friday and Saturday. I just felt from an overall 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.720 structural standpoint, it was one of the more competitive organized 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.480 mini camps that I'd been a part of on the 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:18.080 rookie front. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.959 Yeah, it seemed. You know, Matt Lafleur talks a lot 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.399 about energy and whatnot at practice, and there was certainly 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.560 no lack of that with with these young guys on 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.240 the field. I want to get your impressions, particularly of 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.480 the draft picks. Is the first time we actually get 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.080 to see them in person. You know, they put on 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.359 a packer jersey, put on a packer helmet. Granted it's 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.799 not in pads, it's not, you know, a full NFL uniform. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.200 But other than you know, the college film and whatnot, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.040 you know, this is this is That's all we've gotten 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.600 to see of these guys to this point. And if 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.800 I were to pick out one guy from the draft 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:01.079 class that that just the from from a physical sense 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.360 like stood out to me, I think I would have 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.240 to say it's Edger and Cooper. And it's not because 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.640 edgerin Cooper is some you know, massively ripped like huge guy, 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.640 you know whatever, That's not what I mean. It's that 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.480 it's that Edger and Cooper. When Brian Gudokuns talked about 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.840 having these off ball inside linebackers having some length to 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.600 be able to play in space, take a look at 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.639 Edger and Cooper and that's the definition of length at 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.920 the linebacker position. He he's got he's got a wingspan, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.040 I mean, long arms. You can see you can see 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.440 through the legs and the torso he's long. But at 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.520 the same time, he's two hundred and thirty pounds and 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.720 he can run like the wind. I mean, there's a 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.600 there is a physical presence even though he's not some 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.920 you know, three hundred pound guy, or he's not some 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.720 two hundred and seventy five pound edge rusher. There's a 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.560 physical presence to Edger and Cooper when you see him 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.840 on the field. And that's what really stood out to me. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.240 Yeah, and to kind of bring it back to what 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.400 I was saying about the inside linebackers and the safety 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.440 group when they did some of the seven on seven stuff, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.160 when the little bit of the team stuff they did, 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.880 whether it was Cooper, whether it was Tyron Hopper. You 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.520 know Tyron Hoppers listed at six two two twenty nine. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.880 I believe he looks like a full grown man though. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.159 And I felt like and he was even working some 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.160 of the mic stuff there too, both of those guys 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.440 getting some of those reps. I just felt like, here's 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.719 the thing, Michael, it's a rookie camp, but you do 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.400 want to see your draft picks be the ones that 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.320 sort of catch your eye. Yeah. Absolutely, And I felt 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.760 like both Cooper and Hopper did that. From Cooper's perspective, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.680 the number one thing you saw in addition to the 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.479 speed was his ability to collapse and his decisiveness to 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.400 the ball carrier. I felt like there was that aggressiveness 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.400 in that mindset. You could tell that it's not something 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.520 he tries to play with. He just does play that way. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.880 And I feel like that's gonna be really valuable for them. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.480 And when you threw that question out there about which 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:58.280 rookies caught my eye, that definitely starts for Evan Williams 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.599 for me. I was there on Saturday for that practice 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.120 and just seeing where Evan Williams is, how vocal he 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.200 was on the back end. There was no timidity with 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.680 that safety group. In those defensive backs, guys were communicating now, 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.920 it's going to be a lot different when it's Rashan 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.359 Gary on the field and Kenny Clark and Jay r 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:21.200 Alexander Xavier McKinney. But in that moment, those guys were 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.400 being asked to be the commanders of this defense, and 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.360 I felt like they really did that and the amount 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.920 of guys crashing to the line of scrimmage. This was 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.120 the first time we saw Jeff Haffley's version of a 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.039 four to three in the base system, and I just 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.800 felt like, listening to Halfley talk on Monday as well, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.120 he wants these guys to play confidence. He doesn't want 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.160 them to have to think about things, and even though 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.480 it was just their first orientation in this thing, they 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.680 still have a lot to learn with his playbook. I 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.039 just came away so impressed by that group, and specifically 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.920 those inside linebackers being able to manage all of that 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.679 chaos and what can be a very busy three days. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.840 Yeah, going back to Hopper for a second, Tyron Hopper 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:02.600 from Missouri again. For me, the reaction I had was 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.120 reflecting on a comment from Brian Gudokunz during the draft. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.400 The comment that stood out to me the most after 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.679 the selection of Hopper was he said was he said 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.320 this is a defender. This is a linebacker who's got 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.719 stopping power. And when you look you look at his 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.000 body type on the field, then you see exactly what 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.719 Gutakuns is talking about, because yes, Edrin Cooper and Tyron 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.880 Hopper essentially play the same position, but they are two 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:33.400 very very different body types in terms of how they 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.040 look on the field. And that that description of stopping 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.239 power with Hopper, Now we didn't get to actually see 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.240 like hits and tackles and things that we're going to 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.400 see in the preseason games coming up in August, but 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.040 you can you can see, you can see that he 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.120 had he has the body and I understand where that 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.440 comment came from, you know, from Brian Guduacun says someone 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.680 who has not, you know, watched a whole ton of 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.280 film on these guys, you know, from their college careers. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.760 When you can pack that punch at two thirty two, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.160 it is the difference as well. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.080 Yeah, he's not a two hundred and fifty five pound 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.320 linebackers who's who's gonna lay the wood with all of 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.840 that extra weight he is, he's two hundred and thirty 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.520 pounds because he can still run in the four five. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.040 And as Jeff Hafley said, I mean, that's just the 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.840 way this thing is gone. You need those guys to 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.560 be able to cover. You're just not gonna be able 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.480 to have those plotters that are just filling gaps like 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.800 you were maybe a nineteen eighty nine. I think the 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.400 packers again, they factor in those guys, go right in 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.640 with Isaam McDuffie, they go right in with kway Walker 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.720 here in two weeks, and they'll they'll let that competition 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.200 play out. But when you're looking at day two picks 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.160 in that investment that Green Bay made, I felt like 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.160 you saw some of those initial returns. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.040 Well, the other thing I'm wondering is which one of 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.280 us is going to be the first to call them 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.679 Hooper and Copper instead of Copper. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.520 Inevitably, it will happen Opper. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.840 It's going to happen as probably in the three things. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.800 But yeah, but anyway, but also following up on what 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.400 you said about Evan Williams and his you know, his 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.480 vocal presence on the field communication aspect of it. I 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.000 was chatting with him during the open locker room and 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.240 we got we got a chance to ask some of 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.840 the rookie draft picks, questions and whatnot. And interestingly I 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.440 hadn't realized this until he brought it up. Obviously he 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.640 was he was a transfer from uh you know, transfer 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.560 to Oregon for his final season. But he mentioned over 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.239 the course of his college career he had four different 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.760 defensive coordinators. So this is a young man who who 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.760 knows what it's like to have to to have to 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.240 learn a new system, to have to jump in figure 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.359 things out early and quickly, and and take that leadership 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.520 role at the safety position, maybe with you know, some 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.560 new terminology, et cetera, et cetera. Now he's going through 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.600 that process in the NFL. But it seems that that 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.040 his the way his college career went kind of sets 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.400 him up to be a guy who can who can 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.960 figure some of this stuff out in the NFL rather quickly. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.520 Yeah, and I don't like drawing comparisons. I know it's 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.760 a difficult thing, you know, and you don't want to 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.360 set the bar too high for some of these guys 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.240 when they're just getting their feel for the first time. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.520 But the thing I was so impressed by him out 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.599 there was there was and I said it to a 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.040 number of different guys, there was a Mica Hyde type 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.040 feel to him in terms of just not only his 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.720 body type, but just the way he looks so confident. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.720 And I think when you're looking at a guy that 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.400 the Packers moved up to draft in that fourth round, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.520 you want to find somebody that is a difference maker 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.000 and it's going to contribute to this thing. And one 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.760 of the points I made an insider inbox was, you know, 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.679 it was a really sound investment when you look at 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.920 it from you really can't go wrong with drafting safeties 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.560 to the level that the Packers did considering what their 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.360 need was at the position, because not only are you 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.839 looking for a starter next to Zavier McKinney, you're looking 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.480 for a guy that can be there behind Keshawn Nixon. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.160 They need another six defensive backup position. That really, for 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.920 the most part, Jonathan Owen's handled most of the last season, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.920 special teams also has value for them. You know, Ton Oladeppo, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.960 that could be a situation when he comes back from 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.320 this toe injury, he could factor into that. It's six 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.480 foot one, two hundred and sixteen pounds and Williams's game 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.280 for all of it, no matter how it works out. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.280 One other point I want to make too, in addition 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.600 to the changeover for him with the defensive coordinator. I 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.160 was looking this up. I forgot about this when I 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.959 was talking when we were talking to him a little bit. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.120 You know, he played for Jeff Tedford twice at Fresno State. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.440 Tedford was the guy that got him there in nineteen 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.240 stepped away for a couple of years, and I think he 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.360 had some personal stuff, maybe some health stuff, And he 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.480 came back in twenty twenty too, so he actually coached. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.600 He actually played for him both as a freshman and 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.360 a senior, and then obviously made that transition to Oregon. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.480 So when it comes to making adjustments working on the fly, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.160 this is a smart kid that has kind of dealt 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:43.720 with that before. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.840 Yeah, and quickly, before we move on from the safeties, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.480 I wanted to get your thoughts what your first impression 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.000 was of Javon Buller, the second round pick out of Georgia, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.160 Because if I were to sum up my first impression 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.960 of him in one word, it would be smooth. Yeah, 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.079 there is a fluidity. There is a smoothness to his 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.439 movements when he is when he is out there, whether 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.400 he's you know, sort of playing the deep center field 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.000 or whether he's a little closer to the line of scrimmage. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.320 There's just there's certain guys that just look a certain way. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.640 There's a smoothness to their movements, and that's what caught 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:19.800 my eye with Bullard. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.120 And I liked when I was asking the athlete about 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.679 that when he very pronouncedly said thick. When you look 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.160 at his frame as well, I mean, this is not 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.720 a guy that you know, is giving up size for 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.959 his speed. It all ties together, and he's been a 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.760 blue chip athlete, you know, from the very beginning, and 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.320 in this incarnation of the Georgia football program, it's four 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.400 and five star guys competing for starting roles, and Bullard 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.760 went through that. He started in the slot for a 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.000 year and the nickel star position. Then he came back 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.000 and he ended up being the true safety last year. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.000 And the Packers, I think, can feel confident that wherever 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.199 he settles in, this is a guy that could potentially 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.280 go right away. It is going to be fascinating in 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.720 a couple of weeks with OTAs what Green Bay decides 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.280 to do that safety position, because you have Anthony Johnson 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.080 Junior coming back as well, also Zane Anderson but in 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.800 a lot of ways it could be set up much 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.840 like in twenty nineteen, were that first Ota practice, it 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.920 was Adrian Amos and it was Darnell Savage, right, the 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.680 undrapp the un excuse me, unrestricted free agent big signing 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.280 in the first round pick. It could very well work 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:21.640 out that same way too at Bullard. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.080 Yeah, I kind of think that that's where things are 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.760 going to start, but of course it's also not about 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.520 where you start, it's where you finish, and we'll have 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.319 to see how that evolves. 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I'll be curious to see just where this goes, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:17.120 because my first impression on Morgan is that he looks 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.200 the part. And for all the talk about about, well, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.599 is he going to play tackle? Is he going to 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.439 play guard? He's capable of you know, projected as being 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.560 capable of playing both at the NFL level, I think 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:34.199 he looks like a tackle. But just took caution everybody. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.720 There was a guy fifteen years ago who was drafted 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.720 by the Green Bay Packers in the fourth round, a 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.880 guy named TJ. Lang. And there was all the talk 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.840 when he was drafted, is he going to be a tackle? 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:44.680 Is he going to be a guard? 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:44.920 He was? 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.400 He played mostly tackle at Eastern Michigan. I thought TJ. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.640 Lang looked like a tackle. I was like, this guy, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.080 this guy's going to be an edge blocker. You know, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.079 he's going to make his make his money there in 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.679 the NFL. And he started out playing a fair amount 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.480 of tech when he was, you know, subbing in because 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.120 he wasn't a starter right away in his career. Well, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.280 lo and behold. TJ. Lang ended up being quite a 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.000 darn good guard in the NFL for a long time. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.079 For both the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lyons. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:20.160 So take my analysis for what it's worth. But I'll 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.760 just I'll be interested to see where this goes with 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.000 with Morgan because there's a lot of uh, there's a 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.800 lot of body, and there's a lot of talent to 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.920 work with their with the new number seventies. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.000 And give yourself a little bit of grace there too, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.480 because yeah, I thought Adam Stenovich made a really salient 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.160 point when he was talking to the media on Monday, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.360 and that you know, David Bakhtiari, his opportunity came at 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.600 left tackle because Brian Blago went down with the ACL. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.600 If Brian doesn't go down to the ecl maybe Dave 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.000 stays at right tackle like he was sort of trending 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.960 towards and he was going to take over that spot, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.720 maybe even inside as some people had projected him. But 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.080 that's just the way things went. It's a lot of 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.120 times about what the opportunity is. With all due respect 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.360 to TJ. Lang and he was a heck of a 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.480 player too, time pro bowler. He should have been the 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.360 left tackle at Eastern Michigan University. Yes, what impresses me 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.560 about Jordan Morgan is He played that position for parts 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.040 of five years as a starter at Arizona, and he 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.760 held that position. He said, this is the thing I've 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.440 been dealing with. You know, people ask about the short 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.440 arms and all this stuff. He's like, they don't turn 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.640 on the tape. They don't see how I use my body. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.000 They don't see how I use my athleticism, my skills. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.720 And obviously he has those big hands that Larry mccaerron 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.680 talked about. That was what stood out to me the 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.600 most when I watched him. There is an explosivity out 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.160 of him when he gets out of his stance. It 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.480 wasn't flawless in terms of the mini camp. He did 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.480 get pulled out of one drill for a false start. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.040 Everyone's a little bit anxious there that opening. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.640 Weekend seeing that happened to any number of rookie offensive linemen, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.440 and it'll happen in OTAs and training camp as well. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.400 Yeah, no doubt, And you're gonna have those moments, especially 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.080 when you're going up. Yeah, they were going up against 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:55.720 some veteran guys on the other side of it too, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.920 that were coming back after being on the practice squad 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.720 last year. So be that as it may, I just 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.920 feel like, you know, hearing him talk in the locker 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.600 room on Friday, I was really impressed by him. I mean, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.240 he's not a guy that I think is gonna probably 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.000 draw the most headlines. I think he's a very workmanlike, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.800 straightforward individual, extremely pleasant. It was great hearing him kind 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.720 of give a little bit more detail into everything that 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.320 went into his career at Arizona and tearing the ACL 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.280 and then also mentioning the first time he met Jordan 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.680 Love being frozen for a little bit, which I think 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.560 probably makes you and I feel like the oldest people 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.240 on earth that Jordan Love is now at a point 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.240 that people are like, oh my god, it's Jordan Love. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:30.640 Right. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.800 But all that together, he's a first round pick. The 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.440 Packers need options on that offensive line, and the competition 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.520 is going to be great. Training camp is going to 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.560 be so much fun on the offensive line. With the 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.880 three rookies they brought in. Kadeem Telford was playing right 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.240 tackle in the rookie camp. I think a lot of people, 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.760 Mike I keep saying this over and over again. Caleb 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.080 Jones gets so much attention because he's six foot nine 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.560 and Luke Tanuda was a former draft pick. If those 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.120 guys aren't around. Kadeem Telford at six foot seven or 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.960 whatever he goes at would probably get a lot more 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.760 headlines too out of UAB on the practice squad all 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.280 last year. Just a monstrous human being. And they're all 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.679 in this thing. Everybody's going to be competing for spots 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.840 because you know, Jason Wildon's been asking about you know, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.840 you could pretty much set a starting lineup with what 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.440 you have returning, and that's true. But where Green Bay's 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.720 kind of lost something on the old line is with 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.760 the depth and being able to weather the injuries. And 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.640 right now Green Bay is looking to figure out who 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.199 those individuals are and who could potentially fit in. In 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.000 addition to Jordan Morgan saying, hey, I've been a lifelong 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.760 left tackle, I want to play that spot in the 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:28.440 NFL and I want to do it for Jordan. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.720 Love, Yeah, that's one of the things that's really interesting 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.800 to me when you look at this Packers offensive line, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.639 because yes, we had talked about it going into the draft. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:40.640 You know, David Baktiari, John Runyan, Yosh Nimen three guys 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.199 have played a lot of football and a lot of 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.119 good football for the Green Bay Packers were gone. You 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.879 have you have to rebuild that depth. You've got to 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.040 You've got to get the depth back in that room. 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:57.080 But at the same time, if Caleb Jones makes the 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.439 strides that they're hoping for heading into this year, if 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.480 kadeem Elford makes those strides, if Luke Tanuda comes back 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.760 from the injury that basically had him on the shelf 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.560 all of last season, there's potentially a lot more to 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.359 the Packers' depth on the offensive line than just the 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.680 three draft picks that were selected a couple of weekends ago. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.199 So that's just something to you know, file away in 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:25.200 the back of your mind, because because the you, as 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.639 I always say, if if it comes down to it 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.640 at the end of August and the Packers have twelve 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.879 or thirteen really really good offensive linemen that they feel 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.840 good about and they can only keep ten of them, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.359 that's a heck of a good problem to have, right 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.560 because you would you'd love to have all these guys 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.639 prove that they are capable of being NFL players. You 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.239 want to be comfortable with any of them being on 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.680 the roster because you never know at any moment if 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.200 somebody could go down with a sprained ankle or something 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.200 worse than that. And that's how the Packers are going 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.639 about it here on the offensive line in what is 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.520 in some ways a rebuilding year in terms of the 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.320 depth because of those veteran guys who like one hundred percent. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.320