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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkoitz. We're coming to you

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Speaker 1: hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes. The

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Packers Rookie Mini Camp is in the books.

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Speaker 1: It took place last weekend, the rookies arriving on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: practices on Friday and Saturday. Lots of meetings, orientation stuff,

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Speaker 1: playbook stuff, find your way around the building stuff. But

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Speaker 1: the rookies have gotten their introduction to the Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers and how businesses conducted here. What were your overall

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Speaker 1: impressions when you came away from the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I on Saturday evening, I was gathering my thoughts after

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Speaker 2: we got done with practice. I was working on Insider

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Speaker 2: Inbox and finishing up our five Things story. I was

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Speaker 2: just sitting at my desk is very quiet, and I

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Speaker 2: actually ended up tweeting this too. It hit me that,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, I've covered these going back to twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: I believe I helped out on it the first time

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Speaker 2: and that was one of the most if not the

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Speaker 2: most competitive rookie mini camp or if you can go

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Speaker 2: back to Macarthy era rookie orientation that I'd been a

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Speaker 2: part of. I felt just like there were so many

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Speaker 2: young guys that made plays. And certainly we can talk

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Speaker 2: about the inside linebackers and the speed and the vocality

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Speaker 2: of the safety position, but there were undrafted free agents,

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Speaker 2: there were tryout guys. A few of them ended up

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Speaker 2: getting a signed to the roster that I felt like

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Speaker 2: really captured the moment. And Matt Lafuer set the tone

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Speaker 2: for this on Friday evening when he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to do our walkthrough and these guys, we're

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Speaker 2: trying to pull them back a little bit, because I

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Speaker 2: think what you had is you had this mesh between

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Speaker 2: rookie draft picks that want to end press and are

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Speaker 2: taking their job very serious. A guy like Kyln King

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Speaker 2: was actually talking about, Hey, I'm going to be the

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Speaker 2: most competitive player on the field, and those guys lived

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Speaker 2: up to that. But then you also had the undrafted

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Speaker 2: free agents trying to make an impression. You also had

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Speaker 2: the tryout guys trying to earn a job. And with

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Speaker 2: those fifty players that were out there on the field

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Speaker 2: on Friday and Saturday. I just felt from an overall

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Speaker 2: structural standpoint, it was one of the more competitive organized

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Speaker 2: mini camps that I'd been a part of on the

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Speaker 2: rookie front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed. You know, Matt Lafleur talks a lot

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Speaker 1: about energy and whatnot at practice, and there was certainly

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Speaker 1: no lack of that with with these young guys on

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Speaker 1: the field. I want to get your impressions, particularly of

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Speaker 1: the draft picks. Is the first time we actually get

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Speaker 1: to see them in person. You know, they put on

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Speaker 1: not in pads, it's not, you know, a full NFL uniform.

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Speaker 1: But other than you know, the college film and whatnot,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is this is That's all we've gotten

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Speaker 1: to see of these guys to this point. And if

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Speaker 1: I were to pick out one guy from the draft

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Speaker 1: class that that just the from from a physical sense

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Speaker 1: like stood out to me, I think I would have

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Speaker 1: to say it's Edger and Cooper. And it's not because

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Speaker 1: edgerin Cooper is some you know, massively ripped like huge guy,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever, That's not what I mean. It's that

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Speaker 1: it's that Edger and Cooper. When Brian Gudokuns talked about

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Speaker 1: having these off ball inside linebackers having some length to

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Speaker 1: Edger and Cooper and that's the definition of length at

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Speaker 1: the linebacker position. He he's got he's got a wingspan,

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Speaker 1: I mean, long arms. You can see you can see

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Speaker 1: through the legs and the torso he's long. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, he's two hundred and thirty pounds and

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Speaker 1: he can run like the wind. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: there is a physical presence even though he's not some

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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pound edge rusher. There's a

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Speaker 1: physical presence to Edger and Cooper when you see him

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Speaker 1: on the field. And that's what really stood out to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to kind of bring it back to what

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Speaker 2: group when they did some of the seven on seven stuff,

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Speaker 2: when the little bit of the team stuff they did,

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Speaker 2: whether it was Cooper, whether it was Tyron Hopper. You

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Speaker 2: know Tyron Hoppers listed at six two two twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: I believe he looks like a full grown man though.

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Speaker 2: And I felt like and he was even working some

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Speaker 2: getting some of those reps. I just felt like, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, Michael, it's a rookie camp, but you do

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Speaker 2: want to see your draft picks be the ones that

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Speaker 2: sort of catch your eye. Yeah. Absolutely, And I felt

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Speaker 2: like both Cooper and Hopper did that. From Cooper's perspective,

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Speaker 2: the number one thing you saw in addition to the

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Speaker 2: in that mindset. You could tell that it's not something

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's gonna be really valuable for them.

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Speaker 2: And when you threw that question out there about which

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Speaker 2: rookies caught my eye, that definitely starts for Evan Williams

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Speaker 2: for me. I was there on Saturday for that practice

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Speaker 2: and just seeing where Evan Williams is, how vocal he

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Speaker 2: was on the back end. There was no timidity with

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Speaker 2: that safety group. In those defensive backs, guys were communicating now,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot different when it's Rashan

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Speaker 2: Alexander Xavier McKinney. But in that moment, those guys were

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Speaker 2: being asked to be the commanders of this defense, and

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Speaker 2: I felt like they really did that and the amount

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Speaker 2: of guys crashing to the line of scrimmage. This was

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Speaker 2: the first time we saw Jeff Haffley's version of a

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Speaker 2: felt like, listening to Halfley talk on Monday as well,

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Speaker 2: he wants these guys to play confidence. He doesn't want

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Speaker 2: them to have to think about things, and even though

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Speaker 2: it was just their first orientation in this thing, they

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Speaker 2: still have a lot to learn with his playbook. I

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Speaker 2: just came away so impressed by that group, and specifically

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Speaker 2: those inside linebackers being able to manage all of that

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Speaker 2: chaos and what can be a very busy three days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to Hopper for a second, Tyron Hopper

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Speaker 1: from Missouri again. For me, the reaction I had was

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Speaker 1: reflecting on a comment from Brian Gudokunz during the draft.

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Speaker 1: The comment that stood out to me the most after

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Speaker 1: the selection of Hopper was he said was he said

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Speaker 1: Gutakuns is talking about, because yes, Edrin Cooper and Tyron

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Speaker 1: power with Hopper, Now we didn't get to actually see

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Speaker 1: comment came from, you know, from Brian Guduacun says someone

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Speaker 1: who has not, you know, watched a whole ton of

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Speaker 2: When you can pack that punch at two thirty two,

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Speaker 2: it is the difference as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a two hundred and fifty five pound

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Speaker 1: linebackers who's who's gonna lay the wood with all of

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Speaker 1: that extra weight he is, he's two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: And as Jeff Hafley said, I mean, that's just the

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Speaker 2: be able to cover. You're just not gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to have those plotters that are just filling gaps like

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Speaker 2: packers again, they factor in those guys, go right in

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Speaker 2: with Isaam McDuffie, they go right in with kway Walker

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Speaker 2: here in two weeks, and they'll they'll let that competition

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Speaker 2: play out. But when you're looking at day two picks

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Speaker 2: in that investment that Green Bay made, I felt like

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Speaker 2: you saw some of those initial returns.

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Speaker 1: Well, the other thing I'm wondering is which one of

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Speaker 1: us is going to be the first to call them

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Speaker 1: Hooper and Copper instead of Copper.

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Speaker 2: Inevitably, it will happen Opper.

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Speaker 1: It's going to happen as probably in the three things.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but anyway, but also following up on what

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Speaker 1: was chatting with him during the open locker room and

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Speaker 1: hadn't realized this until he brought it up. Obviously he

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Speaker 1: knows what it's like to have to to have to

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Speaker 1: figure some of this stuff out in the NFL rather quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't like drawing comparisons. I know it's

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Speaker 2: But the thing I was so impressed by him out

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Speaker 2: And I think when you're looking at a guy that

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Speaker 2: the Packers moved up to draft in that fourth round,

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Speaker 2: you want to find somebody that is a difference maker

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Speaker 2: and it's going to contribute to this thing. And one

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Speaker 2: of the points I made an insider inbox was, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a really sound investment when you look at

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Speaker 2: it from you really can't go wrong with drafting safeties

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Speaker 2: to the level that the Packers did considering what their

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Speaker 2: need was at the position, because not only are you

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Speaker 2: for a guy that can be there behind Keshawn Nixon.

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Speaker 2: They need another six defensive backup position. That really, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, Jonathan Owen's handled most of the last season,

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Speaker 2: special teams also has value for them. You know, Ton Oladeppo,

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Speaker 2: this toe injury, he could factor into that. It's six

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Speaker 2: foot one, two hundred and sixteen pounds and Williams's game

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Speaker 2: for all of it, no matter how it works out.

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Speaker 2: One other point I want to make too, in addition

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Speaker 2: You know, he played for Jeff Tedford twice at Fresno State.

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Speaker 2: Tedford was the guy that got him there in nineteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of think that that's where things are

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Speaker 1: pick Jordan Morgan. He was getting his snaps at left tackle,

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Speaker 2: But all that together, he's a first round pick. The

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Speaker 1: Love, Yeah, that's one of the things that's really interesting

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Speaker 2: an instant. That's how guys find opportunities in.

434
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Speaker 1: This Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. One guy that

435
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Speaker 1: that we're getting asked about a lot in Insider Inbox.

436
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Speaker 1: We haven't really mentioned him too much today. So before

437
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Speaker 1: we go, wanted to get your thoughts, and I'm talking

438
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Speaker 1: about the seventh round cornerback Caitlin King I'm just I'm

439
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,959
Speaker 1: just gonna say this. I'm gonna have a I have

440
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Speaker 1: a piece from the the King's interview in the locker

441
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Speaker 1: room on Friday before the first mini camp practice, working

442
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Speaker 1: on a piece that's going to get posted. Whether it's

443
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Speaker 1: later this week, next week, not sure exactly yet, but

444
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Speaker 1: I just hope, And I'm not one who likes to

445
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Speaker 1: tell anybody how to do their jobs, but I just

446
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Speaker 1: hope that the media core here lets the whole seventh

447
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Speaker 1: round thing go, like, let the kid move on. You know, Yes,

448
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: it was an emotional conference call. It was really really

449
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Speaker 1: rough three days for him, but I got the sense

450
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Speaker 1: that he's ready to move on from it, that yes,

451
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Speaker 1: it's going to be part of his story, but he

452
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Speaker 1: doesn't want that to be like the story that defines

453
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Speaker 1: him as an NFL player. So let's see where this goes.

454
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Speaker 1: Let's not continue to dwell on it, and see what

455
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Speaker 1: this young man does with the cleanest slate of clean slates.

456
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Right when you're talking about a guy who almost doesn't

457
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Speaker 1: get picked, is drafted with the third to last selection

458
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Speaker 1: in the entire draft, and now he's got an opportunity.

459
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Speaker 1: And I'll have more in the story that'll be coming

460
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Speaker 1: up on website sometime in the next several days. But

461
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Speaker 1: I just as I see Calen King, I think trying

462
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Speaker 1: to put draft weekend behind him. I hope everybody else

463
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Speaker 1: can too.

464
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Speaker 2: I think it's a really good point, Mike, And for me,

465
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Speaker 2: it's there's no character issues here, there's no injury issues.

466
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Speaker 2: There's really nothing else to hang on to other than

467
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Speaker 2: the fact that, yeah, he got drafted two hundred and

468
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Speaker 2: fifty fifth overall. Yeah, the true junior year didn't play

469
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Speaker 2: out probably how he exactly wanted it to. But the

470
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Speaker 2: rookie orientation camp, him working in the slot in the nickel,

471
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Speaker 2: I think is going to be really intriguing to follow

472
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Speaker 2: if we're just looking at him as a football player,

473
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Speaker 2: because this is a guy that played against some really

474
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Speaker 2: high level talent in the Big Ten. And as much

475
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Speaker 2: as people want to make a lot out of that

476
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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison junior game in Ohio State, they're kind of

477
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Speaker 2: losing sight of everything he did his sophomore year and

478
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Speaker 2: some of the upside he had. This is guy that

479
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Speaker 2: still was I believe thirteen third team All Big Ten

480
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Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, he didn't run the forty that everybody

481
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Speaker 2: probably wanted him to. But if his forty is actually

482
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Speaker 2: more in that four or five to five range like

483
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Speaker 2: it was at his prote I mean, that's a fine

484
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Speaker 2: time to be able to be able to manage the nickel,

485
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Speaker 2: the dime to work inside, and he has the body

486
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Speaker 2: for it too. This is not a small individual. He's

487
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Speaker 2: got some thickness to him as Well's gonna be very

488
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Speaker 2: intriguing to watch his story. I loved hearing about his

489
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Speaker 2: competitive nature. How much is gonna push him. I don't

490
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Speaker 2: think those are just hollow words. I feel like it

491
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Speaker 2: is something that is going to be generally true. And

492
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Speaker 2: again the Packers, if you wanted to use one more

493
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Speaker 2: analogy for that seventh round, guys get in here, man.

494
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Speaker 2: They don't care anymore. In terms of the coaching staff.

495
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: If Rashid Walker looks like he's gonna play, he's gonna play.

496
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: Carrington Valentine was one of the most impressive rookies throughout

497
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Speaker 2: the entire offseason program last year. Him ending up on

498
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Speaker 2: the field. Yeah, there was some bad luck with injuries

499
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: and other things for Green Bay in the cornerback room,

500
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Speaker 2: but he earned that opportunity. So I think that part

501
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Speaker 2: of is very interesting I don't know if you're planning

502
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Speaker 2: to transition anything else after this, because I missed this

503
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Speaker 2: in the pre production notes, but I would like to

504
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Speaker 2: say a couple of words about Marshawn Lynch or Marshaw Lynch. Yeah,

505
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Speaker 2: we can talk about Marshall Lynch too.

506
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Speaker 1: Speaking of names that I finally did it, speaking of

507
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Speaker 1: names that were gonna botch somewhere along the line. No,

508
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Speaker 1: I was just going to throw it back to you

509
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Speaker 1: and ask if there was anything else from the rookie

510
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Speaker 1: mini camp that we hadn't talked about yet that you

511
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Speaker 1: would like to bring up.

512
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Speaker 2: Marshall Lloyd was one of the stars of Saturday's practice.

513
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Speaker 2: I feel like if we would have had like availability,

514
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Speaker 2: this had been like a training camp, everybody would have

515
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Speaker 2: been gravitating to him afterwards. You know, you look at Friday.

516
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Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit of a slow start.

517
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Speaker 2: I think you might have had to drop in there,

518
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Speaker 2: maybe a loose ball that got away from him. But

519
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: they did some inside zone stuff, and again it's non contact.

520
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 2: You're not tackling the running back. But Michael, I'm telling you, dude,

521
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Speaker 2: when you talk about his short area of quickness and

522
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Speaker 2: his ability to kind of see through the mess. He

523
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Speaker 2: does that and in his first step, once he puts

524
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Speaker 2: his foot in the ground, he was able to move

525
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Speaker 2: his way upfield and it's difficult to corral him. I

526
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, at five foot nine, two hundred

527
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Speaker 2: and twenty pounds, he did some things out there that

528
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Speaker 2: you don't see backs of that size do. And again

529
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Speaker 2: it's one practice. You got to put these things together.

530
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Speaker 2: But my goodness, do some of the possibilities there of

531
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Speaker 2: what he can do in the open field. As Adam

532
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Speaker 2: Stenovich said, there's things you just want to see him.

533
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Just get the ball and see what he does. Yeah,

534
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Speaker 2: And I felt like Saturday he definitely put his best

535
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Speaker 2: foot forward and was one of the stars on the

536
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Speaker 2: practice field.

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Speaker 1: I always think that that's one of the things that's

538
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Speaker 1: and it's more noticeable, I think on the offensive side

539
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Speaker 1: with the guys that get the ball in their hands

540
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Speaker 1: as opposed to the defensive side. When you talk about

541
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Speaker 1: guys being able to look like they're playing fast and

542
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: not doing too much thinkings, you notice that, you know,

543
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Speaker 1: our layman's eyes, we notice that the guys with the

544
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Speaker 1: ball in their hands. And when you see those guys

545
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Speaker 1: be able to be able to make the shifts and

546
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: the moves and all that quickness, those natural running instincts

547
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: start to come through as opposed to thinking about the

548
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Speaker 1: play and the playbook and what's my assignment and where

549
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Speaker 1: am I supposed to fake this way to go that

550
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: way before I get the handoff and all of that.

551
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Speaker 1: When you can see that, when you can see that

552
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Speaker 1: natural speed early, I think that's always a good sign.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Packers did sign three guys after this off

554
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Speaker 2: the tryout. That was Julian Hicks Lcidas Smith, who by

555
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Speaker 2: the way, now he's a former draft pick two years

556
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: ago by Arizona. When we're talking about players are vocal,

557
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,239
Speaker 2: Smith was vocal. Smith was very vocal. You can tell

558
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Speaker 2: that he's a center. I don't know if I've ever

559
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: heard that much talking in terms of verbalization in terms

560
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: of the offensive front at a rookie mini camp before,

561
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Speaker 2: which is what you would kind of expect from a

562
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Speaker 2: second year veteran. But then Dimitri Stanley, and I'm sure

563
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Speaker 2: when we get Totia's this kid is going to be

564
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: a story. His father is Walter Stanley. Obviously you know

565
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Speaker 2: his track record. Packer fans are well accustomed to it.

566
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Speaker 2: Older Packer fans Thanksgiving nineteen eighty six. Man, the folks

567
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Speaker 2: who saw it like me will never forget it. Two

568
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four all purpose yards, game winning punt

569
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Speaker 2: return for a touchdown to.

570
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Speaker 1: Two receiving touchdowns, and then a game winning eighty three

571
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Speaker 1: yard punt return for a touchdown any final minute to

572
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Speaker 1: win a Thanksgiving shootout at the Pontiacx over Doome forty

573
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Speaker 1: four to forty. I just looked it up before the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't know all this on off the top of

575
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Speaker 1: my head.

576
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Speaker 2: Folks. It wouldn't have surprised me if you did, though.

577
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Speaker 1: Well, forty four to forty. I remembered eighty three yards.

578
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Speaker 1: I had to look at it. Yeah, but yeah. Walter Stanley,

579
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Speaker 1: Man of the game for the Ages on Thanksgiving nineteen

580
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Speaker 1: eighty six.

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Speaker 2: So Dmitri Stanley. He ended up following his father's footsteps

582
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: of Colorado. He had some injuries, he had some setbacks,

583
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Speaker 2: and it is something that sort of followed him to

584
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Speaker 2: Iowa State. I think he ended up. What do you

585
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: have at Ohio Iowa State? Don't look this up now.

586
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: Seventy catches for eight hundred and twenty yards, four touchdowns

587
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: with Colorado and then he ended up having an additional

588
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: forty eight catches for five hundred and fifty nine yards

589
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: and a touchdown in his two years in Ames. But

590
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: what impressed me the most mic he earned his roster spot.

591
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: He did it with some of the one handed snag

592
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Speaker 2: that he had on Friday that caught Matt Lafleur's attention.

593
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Speaker 1: And we all saw that one, the one handed, one

594
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: handed grab by the said it was all the way

595
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: on the other side of the field from where we

596
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: were watching, but you couldn't miss it.

597
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: He was this close to having another one of those

598
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Speaker 2: along the sideline on Saturday, right in front of all

599
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Speaker 2: the reporters. I was standing there with Matt Schneideman, Bill

600
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Speaker 2: Huber and Rob Damovski. I mean, I'm I'm talking me

601
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Speaker 2: to the CAMERAWO my one shot there and he he

602
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: just wasn't able to bring it down when he was

603
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: going to the ground, but he it was a competitive play.

604
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: It was the in terms of a tryout player. It

605
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: was the most impressed I was by a triout player

606
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: since Tyron Walker, which is over a decade ago, who

607
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: ended up being one of the darlings of training camp.

608
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: I think in twenty twelve or thirteen, he just he

609
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: made himself undeniable and excited to learn more about him

610
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: a cluttered position, especially with Alex macgoo in that room

611
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: now too. But no kidding, you gotta get your foot

612
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: in the door if you're gonna dance, and Dimitri Stanley

613
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: did that this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an undrafted receiver from Iowa State who

615
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: turned into a pretty good receiver for the Packers not

616
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: that long ago as well, So you just never know.

617
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Speaker 2: Gott to give him a chance.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, with that, we'll call it a rap on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted' be sure to follow all

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Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team, everything from rookie mini

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Speaker 1: camp moving into OTA's in a cup weeks. We'll have

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Speaker 1: draft pick follow up stories all that for you on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot com. For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: tuning in everybody. We will see you next time.