1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 3: You're listening to the John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 3: No Wall, no lull, and the tragedy is going on 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: in the world. We are on from one until four 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 3: o'clock as always, and then after four o'clock if you 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 3: mentioned anything John Cobelt Show on demand, that's the podcast 8 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: version on the iHeart app. And we are going to 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: continue covering the plane crash into the Potomac River in Washington, 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: d C. Between a jet sixty four people aboard and 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: then three members of the army in a black Hawk helicopter. 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: The collision was over the Potomac River. I'm sure you've 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: heard so much of the detail already. We have the 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: latest coming from Perry Russom. He's an ABC News correspondent 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: in Washington, and he's going to tell us what's been 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: going on most recently. Perry, how are you. 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How are you? 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm all right? What's the latest? 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, So the NTSP had a news conference a short 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: time ago where they're not going to speculate them what 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: caused the crash, but they say they really just don't 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 4: have enough information just yet. But the headline's coming out 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: of that news conference. They do not have the flight 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: data recorders just yet. They're still in the water. Overnight, 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: the SAA gave them a packet of information from air 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 4: traffic control and then we're expecting a preliminary report within 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: thirty days from the NTSB and then a full report 28 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 4: basically when they are done. This is the NTSB's first 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: full day on the scene. They have about fifty people 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: from the organization at the airport. They're going to be 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: looking at the humans involved, the machines involved, and the environments. 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 4: They're going to be looking at impact angles, altitude, the engines, 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: looking at air traffic control systems including radar and communication systems, 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: so basically a full diagnostics on both aircraft and ultimately 35 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: this is their goal. They say they want to understand 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: why it happened and then recommend change is to prevent 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: it from happening again. Now, one of the big issues 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: down there last night and then today is recovering all 39 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: of the bodies. Dive teams are done for the day. 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: They have about forty bodies recovered, so they're still missing 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 4: about twenty seven. They have to wait to extract everybody 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: until the wreckage is brought to the surface of the water. 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: It's just too complicated right now, given where the wreckage is, 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: where we understand that it's upside down in some capacity. 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: So they just want to make sure that they keep 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 4: the rescue team safe because remember they're dealing with jagged 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: steel and metal, and they want to make sure that 48 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 4: they keep the recovery team safe as well. 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: And I guess they're confident that all the bodies are 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: contained inside the aircrafts and that there's no bodies that 51 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: got loose and it might be floating down the Potomac. 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: Now I'm trying to be careful in how I say this. 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: Some of the reports that we're hearing, it's pretty pretty 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 4: gruesome reports from the scene in terms of what was 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 4: washing up where. We know that this was a very 56 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: large wreckage scene. It's the Potomac River, it's the river moves. 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 4: It was one of the questions I had at the 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: news conference today down at DCA, is how large of 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 4: a situation are we looking at now? This plane broke 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: up into three different parts and some of it was 61 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: floating down the river, so that they had to make 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 4: sure that they had everybody accounted for. But we understand 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: now about forty people, like I mentioned, have been recovered, 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: still missing twenty seven. But they believe the missing twenty 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 4: seven are inside that aircraft. 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: So they're gonna have to lift up the wreckage. They're 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: going to have to have some kind of some kind 68 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: of a toe right to pull it up into the 69 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: air and then drag it to the shore correct. 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: And something that's interesting about this crash too, So it crashed, 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: so they collided in mid air, the Blackhawk helicopter and 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: then the American Airlines flight and then they collided into 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: the Potomac. But something that's different about this is that 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: where it happened, it's very shallow. We're told it's about 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: waste deep, so that there was that double impact of 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: hitting the ground essentially underwater, hitting the bottom of the river. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: So there was that double impact. And you know very 78 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: quickly this morning that they did tell us that that 79 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: there nobody survived. 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the what's the weather been like? I mean, 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: I mean last night it was so cold. I heard 82 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: there were still that. I mean, it's been been extremely 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: cold for several weeks. And the river, I guess it 84 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: started to freeze to some extent. There were chunks of 85 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: ice still in the water. 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 4: It's been very cold. I mean I walked to work 87 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: every day and it's been so cold that I just 88 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: it's been too cold for me to even walk to work. 89 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: I was when I was driving back from DCA about 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: a couple hours ago. There's still parts of the river 91 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 4: that are frozen, so there is a little bit of 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: a window time today. That's why divers are in the 93 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 4: water today for recovery efforts. The weather was relatively nice. 94 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: The issue last night, I mean, it was so windy, 95 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: was so cold, it was so dark, there was no 96 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 4: moon in the sky. That was not helping efforts at all. 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: So basically they had helicopters above the potement that were 98 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: flashing their spotlights to try and get a better idea 99 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: of where the aircraft was. We're expecting rain overnight, which 100 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 4: will complicate recovery efforts, so this was kind of their 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 4: window to try and get everything done before they had 102 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: to do with any hiccups of the weather changing. 103 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: All right, Perry, thanks for coming on and giving us 104 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: so that latest information. Perry Russell, ABC News correspondent, thanks 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: for joining us, all right. That I don't know if 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: you've seen a map, but the plane was so close 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: to landing. It was headed for a runway that sticks 108 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: right up to the edge of the Potomac River on 109 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: the west side, and the jet had coming up, had 110 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: been coming up from the south, and then had to 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: make a hard left turn, and it was just about 112 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: over the right edge the right bank of the Potomac River, 113 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: and it had to make it to the left bank 114 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: of the Potomac River, and the river is not that wide, 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: was just seconds away from touching down. What I heard 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: is about one hundred and forty miles an hour, and 117 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: that's when the helicopter crashed into it. It was the 118 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: helicopter was going north to south and the plane was 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: going from east to west trying to get across the 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: river final few hundred feet until it would land safely. 121 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 3: It was the one of the all time flukes, the 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: worst timing imaginable, and clearly the helicopter was not at 123 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: the proper altitude the plane was because it was in 124 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 3: its final seconds before it was going to land. That's 125 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: exactly how high the plane had to be in order 126 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: to make it to the other side of the river 127 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: and land, and that helicopter inexplicably was in the way 128 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: at that moment. 129 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: You know what I kept thinking when I was watching 130 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: this last night. We've all been on planes and when 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: we land or we're so close to landing, we're kind 132 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: of relieved, we're just right. And here they were just 133 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: about to land so close. 134 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: It's just heartbreaking. And we will, we'll obviously, we've got 135 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: a lot to talk about here. And in about fifteen 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: minutes or twenty minutes after Debra's one thirty News, we're 137 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: going to have Don Mahalakan. He's an ABC News Law 138 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: enforcement contributor and a retired Secret Service agent, and he's 139 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: also a US Coast Guard Reserve veteran who's had a 140 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: lot of major duties that he's had to perform while 141 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: he's been with the Coast Guard. He's part of the 142 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: he's been part of the Pacific Strike Team. He is 143 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: going to explain the logistics of what the Coastguard and 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: these other agencies have to do, how they have to 145 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: work together, and how they recover the bodies, and how 146 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: they're going to move the wreckage. It's it's a tremendous 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: engineering job they have in front of him. 148 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: Right now, you're listening. 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 5: To John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM six forty. 150 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: We've got about two minutes of audio to play for 151 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: you from the air traffic control tower leading up to 152 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: the crash. And according to the timeline, I mean, this 153 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: happened so quickly with very little warning. At eight forty 154 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: eight and thirty eight seconds last night, the air traffic 155 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: control tower radios the Blackhawk helicopter and says, do you 156 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: have the CRJ in sight? The CRJ was the model 157 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: name of the jet, CRJ seven hundred. That's at eight 158 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: forty eight and thirty eight seconds, do you have the 159 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: CRJ in sight? Because they could see on radar how 160 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: close they were getting, and the helicopter pilot confirms that 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: he sees the plane and then mentions visual separation, which 162 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: is pilots speak for he's going to get out of 163 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: the way. He's gonna separate from where the big jet 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: is going. Remember the big jet is seconds away from 165 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: landing across the river. So that's an eight forty eight 166 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: thirty eight The tower says, do you have the CRJ 167 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: in sight? And eight forty eight fifty six, eighteen seconds. 168 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: Later, the collision happens. 169 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: So the helicopter pilot and this is going to be 170 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: the focus of the investigation. Whatever he did didn't work 171 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: in time. Trump was talking about this at the news 172 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: conference this morning and said, these kind of helicopters, you know, 173 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: they you could stop them quickly, you can reverse them. 174 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: They could turn right, left, up, down. 175 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: They can they respond quickly, their military black Hawk helicopters. Instead, 176 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: the helicopter continued right in the path of the plane, 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: as if neither the planes pilot or the helicopter pilo 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: I knew the other was there. Hey, let's play the 179 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: audio down from Air Traffic. 180 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Controls Jergy Fay pops Finder Jury. I don't know if 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: you got earlier what happened, but there was a puision 182 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: on the approach in the three three appreciate the three 183 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: first two. 184 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 4: I think it's the very sake Saints turf World Wakery 185 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: three World Bakery three. 186 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: Cistay you do that? 187 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: Fortunately? Mean sorry to go around some left in three 188 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: fag by mainteen thirte thousand. 189 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: Black chack three? 190 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 5: Can you return to the w black chack three received directly. 191 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: To believe I need your land, I. 192 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: Need your land a media. Can you go to day? 193 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: Can you go to dollar chirtem? 194 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: I got a month one. Three. 195 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: I need to have you as for the air say 196 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: team you go to Andrews Black tick three, do you 197 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: have any kind of like search plate or any anything 198 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: on board that would help, say. 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: Some light at the stop. 200 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: A second, this seems to be after the crash happened, 201 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: because they they were saying at the beginning, did you 202 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: see that. There's a report in the New York Times, 203 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: and I'm just scrolling to find it that this collision 204 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: signals multiple failures. One of them may have been the 205 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: staffing at the airport tower. According to a preliminary FAA report, 206 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: staffing at the air traffic control tower was not normal 207 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: for the time of day and volume of traffic. That's 208 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: a quote. That's an FAA safety report that the New 209 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 3: York Times got a hold of. 210 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Now listen to this. 211 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport's vicinity 212 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from 213 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: its runways. So you got that he has two jobs 214 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: he's doing. There's supposed to be two people on these 215 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,479 Speaker 3: two jobs. One is handling the helicopters, the other instructing 216 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: the planes that were arriving at depart arding. Those jobs 217 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: are typically assigned to two controllers rather than one. 218 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: Could you. 219 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it's always boggled my mind how they keep 220 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: track of all the planes coming in at a major 221 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: airport like lax, planes are flying in every few seconds. 222 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: You ever look at one of those flight aware apps 223 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: on your phone or on a computer, and there's so 224 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: many planes swirling in the air, dozens of them over 225 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: at every major at metropolitan airport, and air traffic control 226 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: has to track all of them at the same time. Now, 227 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: this staffer also had to track the helicopters and going 228 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: up and down the Potomac River because there's so many 229 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: military bases nearby. 230 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: There's so much military helicopter traffic. That's its own job. 231 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: That's a very common popular corridor for military helicopters, just 232 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: to go up and down north to south over the 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: Potomac River. The time says this increases the workload for 234 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: the air traffic controller and can complicate the job no kidding. 235 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 3: One of the reasons is that the air controllers use 236 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 3: different radio frequencies to communicate with the pilots filent flying 237 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: the planes and a different one for the pilots flying 238 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: the helicopters. 239 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: So you're managing the helicopters. 240 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: That are whizzing by, you're guiding the jets that are 241 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: landing and leaving, and you've got to do this all 242 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: by switching radio frequencies. 243 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: And there's one guy on all this. This is nuts. 244 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: This is completely nuts. 245 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: And as I'm reading it, says staffing has been cut 246 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: over the years, budgets have been cut. Oh gee, where 247 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: did we hear this story before, just three weeks ago 248 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: about the Los Angeles Fire Department, How we haven't had 249 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: any meaningful increase in firefighters and fire stations and engines 250 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: in sixty years. Well, it looks like something similar is 251 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 3: going on with the air traffic controllers at the airports. 252 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 3: And you know what they've done at Ronald Reagan Airport. 253 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan Airport is the smaller of the two airports, 254 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: and it's located right in the city. You cross the 255 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: Potomac River and now you're into the government. You're the 256 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: White House, the Capitol, the Pentagon, all that, whereas Dulles, 257 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: the larger airport, is thirty miles away. And what they've 258 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: done is that they've crammed more and more and more 259 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,239 Speaker 3: flights into Reagan because the Congress. People want flights available 260 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: seven days a week, whatever they feel like going home 261 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: or going on, whatever their junkets are. So they've constantly passed, 262 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: you know, regulations increasing the number of planes that go 263 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: in and out of Reagan Airport, but they have not 264 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: increased the budget, nor have they updated the technology to 265 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: handle all that extra traffic. Now, to have one guy 266 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: handling all the helicopters and all the planes going in 267 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: and out is insane. But it looks like it's a nationwide, 268 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: a nationwide failure not keeping the infrastructure up, either locally 269 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: or nationally. It says like most of the country's air 270 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: traffic control facilities, the tower has been understaffed for years. 271 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: The tower was a third below targeted staff levels. It 272 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: had nineteen as of about a year ago. The target 273 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: was thirty. So controllers have to work six days a week, 274 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: ten hours a day, constant employee turnover, and tight budgets. 275 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: And yet how much money do we spend on the 276 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: illegal aliens? How much money do we spend on illegal 277 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: alien criminals? We don't spend it in the air traffic 278 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: controllers and their technology. We'll continue with more coming up. 279 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: We're going to talk with Don Mahallick, and he's with 280 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 3: ABC News and he's going to explain the magnitude of 281 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: the recovery effort here, the wreckage and the collection of 282 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: the bodies out of the Potomac River. 283 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: Don Mahallick coming up next. 284 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel's on Demand from KFI AM 285 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 5: six forty. 286 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: We're on every day from one until four and then 287 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: after four o'clock John Cobolt Show on demand, the podcast 288 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: for whatever you miss We continue covering this airline crash 289 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. We're going to continue out with 290 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: Don Mahollick, ABC News Law Enforcement contributor. He's a retired 291 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: Secret Service agent and Don is also a US Coast 292 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: Guard Reserve veteran who was assigned as an operations watch 293 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 3: officer for the Pacific Strike Team and other major posts 294 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: that he has served under. So he's got some information 295 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 3: here about how the cleanup works done. 296 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on. 297 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, John. I hope you guys are 298 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: holding up well with all the fires. Yeah. 299 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: I know things are just starting to stabilize here, but 300 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: we got a very very long recovery effort that's going 301 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: to go on for years. Telly, what do you know 302 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: about what it's going to take to deal with the 303 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: recovery of this plane crash here, the search for the 304 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: bodies and everything connected to this tragedy. 305 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very sad, sad situation. Anytime you have 306 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: an air crash over the water, it makes the rescue 307 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: operation very difficult. We saw that when JFK Junior crashed 308 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: in the Long Island Sound several years ago. How difficult 309 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: that rescue operation is. So could you have wind, tides, currents, 310 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: and temperature are working against you, especially in the winter 311 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: time and the Northeast here is just coming off of 312 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: an extreme cold spell where the water of the Potomac 313 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: River is extremely cold, which makes the recovery efforts that 314 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: much more complicated. It sounds like they have recovered thirty 315 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: nine people so far, but they're still going to work 316 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: to recover more. For the Coast Guard and its partners 317 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: that have to do a recovery effort that is magnitude 318 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: two aircraft the middle of the Potomac River near a 319 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: major airport, it's a full blown rescue recovery operation. At 320 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: the Coast Guard gets test as the on site cordinate 321 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: or four and they bring in all of their resources, 322 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: small boats, they bring in cutters. I think there's four 323 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: Coast Guard cutters that are probably there now, have air 324 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: units onseen. They also activated the Atlantic Strike Team, which 325 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: is a pollution response experts and a Coast Guard who 326 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: are going to try to handle the three thousand gallons 327 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: plus of fuel jet fuel that have now contaminated the 328 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Potomac River. So this is a full blown evolution. You 329 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: have to take care of the families as well, which 330 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: the Coast Guard is probably relying on their local stakeholders 331 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: to do. They have to set up a family Assistance center. 332 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: They have to set up a you know, an evidence 333 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: recovery center which the FBI with the NTSB will help 334 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: put together the aircraft to figure out what went on. 335 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: And they have to also keep the airport operating and 336 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: keep the Potomac River safe. So it's a it's a 337 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: pretty tremendous operation the undertaking right now. And so the 338 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: Coast Guard, you know, this is their bread and butter. 339 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: They do search and rescue and this which is why 340 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: they are the prime coordinators for this type of a 341 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: maritime rescue. 342 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: The whole thing just seems overwhelming as you went through 343 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: all the all the things that have to be addressed here. 344 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: The bodies themselves, many of them are belt it into 345 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: the seats, trapped inside the fuselage underwater thirty seven degree water. 346 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: I heard there's chunks of ice, chunks of ice still 347 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: floating in the Potomac. How do the rescue workers get 348 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: to the bodies and get them out. 349 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: That's tremendous gritten courage on a part of the first 350 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: responder divers from fire departments, police departments, military that are 351 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: there working having to dive that area of the Potomac River. 352 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: And of course the issue for them is you're talking 353 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: about temperature currents and also the debris fields shifting that 354 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: they have to be aware of, and that part and 355 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: the Potomac River is not known as a great place 356 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: to dive, so they're doing so in pretty low light conditions. 357 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: So a lot of it is by hand or with 358 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: artificial lighting as far as they can, and a lot 359 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: of is just trying to figure out and project and 360 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll bring in some technologies to bear to 361 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: try to pinpoint because it is such a large debris 362 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: field and it's metal to try to pinpoint where at 363 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: least the outlines of the major pieces of debris are, 364 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: so they can zero in on those areas, get down 365 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: to wherever the people could potentially be, and try to 366 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: and try to recover them for their families. 367 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: This will take how long just to recover the bodies 368 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 3: most likely how many days? I know you said they 369 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: got thirty dolls already, which seems amazingly fast. 370 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to gesture a guess, because it's amazing 371 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: when people put their minds to do something and the 372 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: resources there, how quickly things can unfold. But I'm sure 373 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: it'll take a few days for them to finish the 374 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: recovery effort as far as getting the people out, identifying 375 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: the people, reuniting them with their family these letting folks know, 376 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: So that'll be a several day process because that also 377 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: has to have a corner look at the people and 378 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: make sure they're positively identifying the right people, and in 379 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: addition to that, getting the debris out of the water, which, 380 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: depending on exactly where it is in the Potomac, the 381 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: water depth is working against them as well, so they're 382 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: going to have to search fine and then recovery of 383 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: the debris, which which necessitates bringing in large barges to 384 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: put the debris on and to move the debris out 385 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: of the water onto the land someplace. So it's a 386 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: pretty complex operation. The recovery piece of the bodies will 387 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: probably be a few days, I'm sure the evidence piece 388 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: of it will be a week or so. So that 389 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: way they can piece this all together and figure out 390 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: figure out what happened, then give an explanation first and 391 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: foremost of the families impacted, and then of course that 392 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: there rested a nation and. 393 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: They've gone through training for exactly this sort of thing, 394 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: or or to what extent do they have to make 395 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: it up as they go along? I mean, have they 396 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: gone through Sidney related rescues in real icy water with 397 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: with the you know, plane wreckage, old planes maybe that 398 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: they dumped in the water, and then say okay, let's 399 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: have at it here, learn, you know, learn right now 400 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: with the real stuff. 401 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. John, that's the beauty of d C because it's 402 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a major metropolitan area where the 403 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: agencies are very used to working together and cooperating together, 404 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: and you're bringing resources from a multitude of agencies, from 405 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Virginia's agencies, from d C, federal agencies, the DoD Maryland. 406 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: You've got this wealth of experience and expertise that are 407 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: merging at that location right now. So you're going to 408 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: have people that maybe have been involved with recoveries of aircraft, 409 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: maybe not the size, but maybe recoveries of aircraft, the 410 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: people that have never done it before. But that's why 411 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: the coast Guard is the primary coordinator who will merge 412 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: all these assets under an incident command structure is a 413 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: great way to go about any type of an emergency 414 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: like this because it brings that expertise, it brings us 415 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: the resources together, and it really maximizes the effectiveness of 416 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: the rescue and recovery operation. And of course the divers 417 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: all go through extensive training. For the first responders, they 418 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: train extensively to search for to search for things that 419 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: end up in the water. That's part and parcel with 420 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: becoming a rescue diver. So in reality, if it had 421 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: to happen anywhere, DC is probably one of the better 422 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: places for a situation aside to have occurred. 423 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on Don and explaining all that's fascinating. 424 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me John. I hope you guys hold 425 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: up there in LA and recover quick. 426 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to keep grinding ahead. 427 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: Don mahonlak ABC News lawenforcement contributor, retired Secret Service agent 428 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: and also a US Coast Guard Reserve veteran who has 429 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: been the operation's watch officer for a major report in 430 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: the Pacific Strike Team and many other high level duties 431 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: over the years. We will continue covering this air crash 432 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: in the Potomac River in Washington, DC that happened last night. 433 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 5: Listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six forty. 434 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: Coming up at two o'clock, We're going to talk with Emma. 435 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: Let me get her name correct, Emma James. She writes 436 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: for the Daily Mail, and she was in a plane 437 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: that landed at the Reagan Airport in Washington, d C. 438 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: Just a few minutes before this crash, and she was 439 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: she was at the airport. She had a bumpy landing 440 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: coming from Kansas City. There were high winds in the area, 441 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 3: and she was there when suddenly the whole atmosphere at 442 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 3: Reagan Airport changed dramatically, and she's going to describe to 443 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: us what it was like. That is coming up right 444 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: after Debra's newscast at two o'clock. Also next hour, we 445 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: are gonna because because Trump today had a press conferences, 446 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: He's had several. He now appears on television I don't know, 447 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: three four, five times a day, and he overwhelms each 448 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: appearance with so many either executive orders or newsworthy announcements 449 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: or just crazy stuff that nobody can keep track of 450 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: all this. And he had the press this morning running 451 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: around in circles because after going through the obvious things 452 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: that you say after its terrable, deadly plane crash, and 453 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: about the investigations that are going to happen, and you know, 454 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: condoldolences to the family, he then blamed d and I. 455 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: DEI up and down for the crash. 456 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 3: And when they asked him, well, what's the evidence, they said, well, 457 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: common sense. And he's repeatedly blasted the Biden administration, the 458 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 3: old Transportation Secretary of Pete Buddhacheg. 459 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: And the thing is he was right about the FAA's 460 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 2: DEI policies. 461 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 3: Now I don't know if that has anything to do 462 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: with this particular crash, but when I read you the policies, 463 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: because there has been a lawsuit against them, so this 464 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: is all part of the public record, you are not 465 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: going to believe who the FAA has been rejecting as employees, 466 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: as air traffic controllers and who they've been trying to recruit. Okay, 467 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: you're gonna fall out of your chair. Thing the progressive world, 468 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: the progressives have made the world so nuts, so dangerous, 469 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 3: so ridiculous. We'll tell you about it all this coming 470 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: up after two o'clock, but first, you know, we're going 471 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: to talk with Emma James. Now, when you have these situations, 472 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: people do naturally start panicking. But the National Review published 473 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: something today, and it's worth repeating. There has not been 474 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: a fatal commercial aviation accident in the US in nearly 475 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: sixteen years. It's two thousand and nine. Happened outside of 476 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: Buffalo Cogan Air. If you remember that they had this 477 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: icing problem on the wings. Do you know how many 478 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: flights there are every year? Since two thousand and nine, 479 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: sixteen million flights. Eight hundred million passengers fly every year 480 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: on more than sixteen million flights that spent about twenty 481 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: five million hours in the air. Those numbers are so 482 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 3: big the human brain can't comprehend them. A conservative estimate 483 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: says since the last crash in two thousand and nine, 484 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: more than ten billion passengers have flown in the US 485 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: on one hundred and fifty million flights that spent more 486 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: than two hundred and twenty five million hours in the air, 487 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: and nothing bad happened. 488 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: The death toll. 489 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: For commercial aviation in the US since two thousand and 490 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: nine is sixty seven. The death toll from wasps over 491 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: the same period as over one thousand. And I'm definitely 492 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: a thousand times more frightened of wasps than I am 493 00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: a flying. 494 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: And I guess because it's so safe, it's almost too safe, 495 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: that the. 496 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 3: Federal government has decided to ignore air traffic control and 497 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: not take it seriously anymore. 498 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: And that's why those poor guys are way overworked. 499 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: They're doing ten hours a day, six days a week, 500 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: and they have to do several jobs at once. 501 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: Like whoever was given the job. 502 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: Last night at Reagan Airport had to handle the helicopters 503 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: going down from down the Potomac, but he also had 504 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 3: to handle all the planes that were arriving and landing. 505 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: One guy handling that, as I said, two different radio frequencies. 506 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: And it's because flight has been so safe, there has 507 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: been no national Well I don't understand why they're going 508 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: to just keep up basic the basic maintenance, the minimum 509 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: staffing required. It's exactly the same thing, like what happened 510 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 3: to the fire department here in Los Angeles over the 511 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: last sixty years, and why they were so terribly understaffed 512 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: for the for the Palisades fire. How come no one 513 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: in government staffs things like police, fire, air traffic controllers. 514 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: And think of all the money that goes for all 515 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: the garbage and nonsense, starting with the illegal. 516 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: I mean I saw today, I saw today. They knows 517 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: them not to be stopped. 518 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: He's still trying to get a twenty five million dollar 519 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: package passed in the legislature to help out illegal aliens. 520 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: Give them lawyers. We have to pay for illegal aliens 521 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: legal representation so they could continue breaking the law and 522 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: stay in the country. That's what Newsom wants to spend 523 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 3: the money on. And he cut the state fire budget 524 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: last year. When when in God's name is he going 525 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: to be removed? And when is this whole progressive, idiot, 526 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: absurd philosophy going to be finally destroyed. 527 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: Because they're going to us. 528 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: I guess the shame of what happened in the Palisades 529 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: with that terrible, terrible uh, I wouldn't even call it 530 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: an effort. 531 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: They were completely unprepared. The state was unprepared and so 532 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: is the city. 533 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: And then a couple of months later, instead of announcing 534 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: funding maybe for the LA Fire Department, since we only 535 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: have half a fire department, he's not providing the other 536 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: half of the funding. He's going to give Illgal Aliens 537 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: millions of dollars, twenty five million dollars, which is. 538 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: Going to go to lawyers. Just outrageous, unbelievably outrageous. 539 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: We are stupid society if we allow the likes of 540 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: Newsome and Karen Bass to continue in power. Incredibly stupid society. 541 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: When we come back after two o'clock, Devera's is going 542 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: to do the news that We're going to Emma James 543 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: the from a Daily mail and she landed at Reagan 544 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: Airport last night just minutes before the plane crash and 545 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: she was in one of the terminals. 546 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to her about it. Next. 547 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: Debor Mark live in the KFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey, 548 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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