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Speaker 1: That was his punishment. From there, we find out he's

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Speaker 1: connected to powerful politicians including President, millionaires, even Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 1: with them? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, women reeling in

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Speaker 1: Why is nobody hunting them down and seeking justice? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I see Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven the Triumph Channel. Take a listen now to

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Speaker 1: Filthy Rich. There's something happening here. That was bigger than

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Speaker 1: just Jeffrey Epstein. He was known as this Gatsby like

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Speaker 1: figure of mystery. It was stunningly rich. He had a

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Speaker 1: How's a nickname, the Pedophile Island. In two thousand and five,

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Speaker 1: the Pole Beach Police Department received reports of young women

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Speaker 1: revolving door of girls. Welsh was under age. Those girls

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Speaker 1: on and on and on. This case who put him

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Speaker 1: solicited to the minor for prostitution? I'm going to involve

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Speaker 1: my fifth moment right Netflix is filthy rich joining me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put

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Speaker 1: it back together again. As Wilcott judge and trial lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst joining us out of Beverly Hills. You can find

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Speaker 1: author a Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. He's

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Speaker 1: at Cloyd Steiger dot com, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University

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Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan death investigator. But now to crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com Levi Page, Levi, we know what Epstein did about

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Speaker 1: much of the molestation of young girls. He committed and

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Speaker 1: got away with it because he was rich. But what

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Speaker 1: about the women who enabled him? Who is guillen Maxwell?

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Speaker 1: Join Maxwell? Nancy is a woman who is from the UK.

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Speaker 1: For father is very rich and powerful from there. She

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Speaker 1: alleged that she would find underage girls under eighteen tell

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. He needs a MASSUS will pay you to

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Speaker 1: come give him a massage. It wasn't a massage. They

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Speaker 1: You're not in any trouble whatsoever. Okay, I just want

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Speaker 1: Guillan Maxwell. She is being investigated, Nancy, but the problem

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Speaker 1: what Levi I just said, that money went somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: came to light. That's photographic imagery that's going on. And

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Speaker 1: it has also been alleged Nancy, that there is perhaps

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Speaker 1: perhaps videography evidence that was contained within his mansion in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: And this is a source of great mystery here. People

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Speaker 1: say that maybe the police have this documentation, maybe perhaps

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Speaker 1: the Feds have it, or maybe it's still in the

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Speaker 1: possession of Epstein's estate. But all of these could be

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Speaker 1: tiebacks to Max Nancy. If I can make a comment

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Speaker 1: about that, Jean, just to piggyback on what Joe Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan is saying, he's talking about the photographic evidence, and

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Speaker 1: from a mental health perspective, people who have perversions, in

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Speaker 1: particular pedophilia, they organize their whole life around the perversion.

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Speaker 1: That's their whole reason for living. So they cannot help

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Speaker 1: but think about it, talk about it, obsess about it,

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Speaker 1: pass pictures around. I bet Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: every time they were at a party. I bet all

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Speaker 1: they were doing was talking about sex. Asking the fellow

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Speaker 1: partygoer if they had young men or women in their life,

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Speaker 1: talking about underage girls they cannot. The confession will have

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Speaker 1: come out of every pore of their body, because that's

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Speaker 1: all they ever had to think about. So I would think,

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Speaker 1: just interview anybody who was around them, and you're going

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Speaker 1: to have all kinds of stories about their perverse sexual

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Speaker 1: exploits and Nancy. You know, right before Epstein was arrested

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, when they went to his Upper East

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Speaker 1: Side apartment, there were compact discs that were locked in

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Speaker 1: a safe, and there were photographs of law enforcement pulling

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Speaker 1: them out, and on the disc it would contain the

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Speaker 1: name of a young girl in the name of someone else.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have speculated that the names were

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Speaker 1: powerful people in New York society, that he was actually

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Speaker 1: using these tapes to blackmail then, and that that's how

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Speaker 1: he made a lot of his fortune as well. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of how Yale and Max, so it can be tracked down,

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Speaker 1: I say, through the money, where is she? Where's the

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Speaker 1: money going? There's got to be financial transactions, if it's

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Speaker 1: not a credit card, cast transfers a way that she

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Speaker 1: is getting money to live. I find it very difficult

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Speaker 1: to believe somebody that lives her lifestyle can't be found.

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Speaker 1: But as far as proving the previous recruiting of these

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Speaker 1: young girls, I think that it would be very simple

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Speaker 1: actually for a forensic accountant to go back in time

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Speaker 1: and find out where was gill and Maxwell on any

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Speaker 1: given date? Was she based on her financial transactions in

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Speaker 1: New York where a young girl says, she got me

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Speaker 1: out of the school playground, out of Central Park and

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Speaker 1: took me to meet Epstein? Was she in New York?

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Speaker 1: What do airplane records? What do records at her home?

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Speaker 1: Her telephone records, her email show was she there? Where

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Speaker 1: was she even that night? Can't she be placed at

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Speaker 1: parties where these young girls were with Epstein when they

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Speaker 1: were molested. It's not that hard. It just takes time

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Speaker 1: and energy and a forensic investigation. And that's just what

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00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: many of the victims are living through right now as

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Speaker 1: they try to track Gillan Maxwell down to serve her

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Speaker 1: with a lawsuit. Take a listen to CBS News correspondent

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Speaker 1: Mola Lenji On Wednesday, Epstein accuser Jennifer Arose filed a

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Speaker 1: civil suit against Epstein's estate and his purported ex girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: Gallaine Maxwell. Arose is also suing an alleged recruiter, a

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Speaker 1: secretary and maid on Epstein's staff. Kimberly Larner is one

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Speaker 1: of a Rose's attorneys. Was there anyone else who should

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Speaker 1: be held accountable? There were various secretaries, there were housekeepers,

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Speaker 1: and there was the recruiter. We haven't been able to

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Speaker 1: identify any of those people by name as of yet.

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Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims Arose was recruited when she was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: She alleges the abuse began about a month after meeting Epstein,

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Speaker 1: when he showed her the massage room in his palatial

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Speaker 1: New York City townhouse and told her it's my favorite room.

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Speaker 1: According to the suit, their visits eventually became routine. A

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Speaker 1: maid would put towels and lotions out, tell Arose to

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Speaker 1: get changed in the bathroom, and leave her three hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars in cash for each visit. About a year after

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Speaker 1: the alleged abuse started, Arose claims Epstein forcibly raped her

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Speaker 1: and she never returned. How much are you seeking from

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Speaker 1: Epstein's estate. I don't even know what his entire estate

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Speaker 1: is worth, but we're seeking significant damages. Did you just

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Speaker 1: hear Dodgor Bethany Marshall that a maid would set out

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Speaker 1: towels and lotions for the sex assaults to occur on

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Speaker 1: the young girls. You want to tell me that the

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Speaker 1: people that worked in Epstein's home can't identify Gill and

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Speaker 1: Maxwell in the home. At the same time, the young

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Speaker 1: girls say that they were right. Absolutely they can, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there are so many eyewitnesses. I keep thinking of Michael

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Speaker 1: Jackson because there was a housekeeper there too. She didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily procure children, but she saw everything and she did nothing.

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Speaker 1: And we saw that with Harvey Weinstein. I know I've

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Speaker 1: seen a little preoccupied with these other stories, but the

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Speaker 1: patterns are so similar. There are always eyewitnesses, There are

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Speaker 1: always people who have similar corruption of conscience, and they

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Speaker 1: all banned together. Nancy, I don't know. This seems similar

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Speaker 1: to just groups of pedophiles who congregate together online and

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00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: they pass pictures along and they egg each other on,

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00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: and they present victims and they give clues as to

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00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: where to find victims, and it becomes the same social

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00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: psychology as what we had in the Epstein household. So

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Speaker 1: of course this maid knows something. But think about all

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Speaker 1: the other people in that household. There are painters, there

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Speaker 1: are art procurers, there are people who manicure the lawns.

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Speaker 1: There are a cook's houseboys, butlers. There are so many

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Speaker 1: people coming in and out of that household to support

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Speaker 1: this huge estate that there have to be dozens of

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Speaker 1: people who knew what was going on. I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to CBS's correspondent Mola Lenji. But

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Speaker 1: Lacada says going through the courts won't make up for

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Speaker 1: the abuse she suffered. A civil lawsuit then would not

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Speaker 1: give me back what I lost. Lycata tells us, at

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Speaker 1: least for her, there is no way to get peace

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Speaker 1: now that Epstein is dead. And we should note that

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Speaker 1: both Lecata and a Rose say they never actually met

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Speaker 1: Galaine Maxwell, and the three women are listed as Jane

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Speaker 1: Doe's in the lawsuit because their identities are not yet known.

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Speaker 1: That's something attorneys say they hope to learn through the

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Speaker 1: discovery phase of the civil case. And we should also

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Speaker 1: note that Galaine Maxwell has never been charged with a

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Speaker 1: and has denied any wrongdoing in the past, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, Gillen Maxwell has not been charged

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Speaker 1: with a crime. My question is why Nancy Gray's crime

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Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend,