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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. Garrett and I

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Speaker 1: are here to break down the first joint practice between

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and Commanders. It was a lively session, to

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Speaker 1: say the least, competitive and good and good work, good practice. Garrett,

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Speaker 1: what stood out to you first and foremost?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think when you are facing a

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Speaker 2: different team, when you line up against somebody and they

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Speaker 2: got an opposite jersey on across from you, I think

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Speaker 2: it does just elevate the intensity of practice. I think

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Speaker 2: you could feel that. Like early on, we were doing

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Speaker 2: a live stream throughout the entire practice and the very

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Speaker 2: first play of one on ones was Roquan Smith against

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Speaker 2: one of the running backs for Washington. I can't remember

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Speaker 2: which one, and Roquond came through and popped him and

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Speaker 2: it was, you know, basically a pass rush drill. And

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Speaker 2: immediately I was like, oh, this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a physical practice. I mean, now you're going up. This

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Speaker 2: is what these joint practices are. The intensity goes up,

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Speaker 2: physicality goes up, and this is a chance, I think

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Speaker 2: for the guys who are the starters to get more

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Speaker 2: work against another first team. On the other side, you

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Speaker 2: don't get into the preseason. I mean, that's not happening

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Speaker 2: in the preseason, and so that's that's taking place in

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Speaker 2: these practices. So I thought that was the case throughout

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Speaker 2: the day. I thought, like you said, I thought it

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Speaker 2: was a good day of work, physical, tough, intense practice.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, fans that are out there and you know, on

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Speaker 1: the internets, they're gonna see the headlines about the fights

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Speaker 1: of course that happened between the Commanders and Ravens today,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just say, like kind of to the point,

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Speaker 1: this stuff happens, This is not unique, certainly not the

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Speaker 1: first time that we've heard about joint practice and there's

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Speaker 1: being some scuffles the Ravens and the Commanders are Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens have I think traditionally like they've stayed away

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Speaker 1: from that stuff in large to a large degree in

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Speaker 1: the many years that they've done joined practice. And I

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Speaker 1: also add that it got broken up pretty darn fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you know, after the second one kind of separated

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, you try, you don't want it

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Speaker 1: to happen, You try to avoid it. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: when guys are getting competitive in practice, and you've been

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Speaker 1: practicing your own team for three weeks or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: you see somebody on the other side, he's trying to

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Speaker 1: prove a point. You're both trying to prove a point.

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Speaker 1: This stuff happens.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you got guys out here competing for jobs,

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Speaker 2: competing for playing time, hot practice practice.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, as the practice got on, it got to got

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Speaker 1: a little bit chippier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that, like everyone is kind of

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Speaker 2: out here to prove something. Yeah, whatever their situation is,

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Speaker 2: whether it's when a starting job, whether it's to show

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Speaker 2: that they're one of the best, whether it's or in

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Speaker 2: a spot on the team, whatever their situation is, everyone's

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Speaker 2: competing to show something. And so when you get another

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Speaker 2: team and they also got people trying to show things too,

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Speaker 2: these scuffles and skirmishes can happen. And I like, I

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Speaker 2: know that, I understand that that's going to be like

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Speaker 2: what people are talking about after a practice like this.

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Speaker 2: You see the clips and all that and that when

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Speaker 2: people focus on. But I really don't think that like

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Speaker 2: that is the biggest takeaway. I don't think the players

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Speaker 2: notches are coming away from it being like, man, that

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Speaker 2: was you know what a fight ridden practice like that,

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Speaker 2: that's not I really don't think that that's the way

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Speaker 2: that they're looking at it. I think they're looking at

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Speaker 2: it like physical, intense, good work. Of course, you know

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Speaker 2: there were some scuffles that had to get broken up,

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Speaker 2: but like really happy with the way that the work

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Speaker 2: they were able to get done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. Well, you you mentioned the first play

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Speaker 1: to point to the first play of one on ones

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Speaker 1: on the offensive side, and that was Zay Flowers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the matchups that I put out a gap

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Speaker 1: photo gallery of ten matchups I was most looking forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing, and one of those certainly enlists was Zay

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Speaker 1: Flowers versus Manuel Forbes, two first round rookies. Forbes picked

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Speaker 1: I think six spots ahead of Za and sure enough

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Speaker 1: one on one start up wide receiver, cornerback dB. First

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Speaker 1: a show. Just took him deep on the first one,

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Speaker 1: three plays later, Zay lines up for another one, pulls

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Speaker 1: mean full handful, and Zay makes a diving catch on

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Speaker 1: puts a nasty move at the top of his stem

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Speaker 1: on come It's a comeback in which he gets basically

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Speaker 1: the ball. Uh gets gets makes that catch. So then

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Speaker 1: he was done. We saw all We.

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Speaker 2: Need to see some water. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think I showed.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 1: I think I showed what I'm about. So that was

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Speaker 1: just that was to me, it was so fun. That

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Speaker 1: was a highlight of practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean Save Flowers has been doing that to

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Speaker 2: Ravens defenders at time in the camp, but I think,

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Speaker 2: the Emmanuel Forest piece is interesting because I think that

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Speaker 2: to some degree, like when when you go through the

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Speaker 2: draft process, like, there's certain guys who you always will

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Speaker 2: kind of pay attention to because they get a lot

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Speaker 2: and so then I think Ravens fans myself included, you

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Speaker 2: always pay a little bit of closer attention to those

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Speaker 2: get measured up against each other. And that will beat

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Speaker 2: the case of the Manual Forges because there was a

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Speaker 2: dc amount of draft buzz that he could end up

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: That's Cliff's guy.

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Speaker 2: Cliff ended up taking him in his first round.

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Speaker 1: Cliff's guy. I wonder what Cliff was thinking.

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Speaker 2: I think he's saying, I'm glad we got Za, but

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Speaker 2: I think that that, you know, it'll be fun to

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Speaker 2: watch him. Yeah, over the course of tomorrow's practice too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well, just as a side note, really

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Speaker 2: Will, It's going to be Jordan Addison, it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: just when there's all those players who end up during

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Speaker 2: that process of getting mocked, I think it's kind of

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Speaker 2: fun to watch how their careers play out and where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just another one on ones. I'm just going through

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Speaker 1: my practice notes here and and granted, one on ones

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Speaker 1: always favor the wide receiver, Okay, so keep that in mind. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: Tarik black Took went deep for a touchdown, Nelly had

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Speaker 2: And it was seven and seven.

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Speaker 1: That was seven's right, but looked like he got kind

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Speaker 2: Ball tracking is where he lost. It ended up like

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Speaker 2: gone and got the ball. Yeah, almost.

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Speaker 1: that was interesting. I thought that Justice Hill had a

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Speaker 1: really nice day. He was one of my practice standouts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But his work as a receiver too, called a wheel

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Speaker 1: versatile skill set that he has specifically as a player

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Speaker 1: in space. And when you talk about Todd Munkins offense

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Speaker 1: Justice Hill, and we're seeing a lot of it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I know, there's obviously a lot of excitement about JK.

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Speaker 1: feels like, you know, physically so much better than he

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Speaker 1: the kind of potential that he has to impact this offense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we saw it also. I thought he had

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Speaker 1: Going to see us played from scrimage Yeah, like Justice,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that like this.

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Speaker 1: Is some of you are I'm not a big point.

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Speaker 2: I am not. I've been I've been. I've been a

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Speaker 1: He looked so good. He was of all the guys

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Speaker 2: Now, a lot of those guys had knees. He had achilles.

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Speaker 2: So that's a different injury, but still a major injury.

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Speaker 1: And so Bowser had an achilles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he like his his burst looks really good.

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Speaker 2: He got back on the field quickly last year, played

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Speaker 2: the past, the running back is going to be a

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Speaker 2: JK still worked his way back. By the way, we

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Speaker 2: haven't done a podcast since JK came back. So he

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Speaker 2: returned on Monday, but he did not go through any

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be a ramp up process

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Speaker 2: for him. I would be surprised if he did full

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Speaker 2: team stuff against the Commanders on Wednesday. I think the

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Speaker 2: Ramons want to be cautious with him and getting him back.

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Speaker 2: John Harbow did say he's one hundred percent healthy, but

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Speaker 2: obviously he hasn't practiced, so I think that you just

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Speaker 2: want to be cautious with him coming back.

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Speaker 1: JK might have he's you know, going against Commanders. Nah,

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Speaker 1: everything involved with the Commanders and not a regular season game.

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Speaker 2: Nah, right, fair, but yeah, he I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: mention that he is back. But anyway, long way of saying,

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Speaker 1: Works, yep, yep. So Adafe just really dominant. I thought

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. All right, So since I know you've just

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Speaker 1: He just basically dropped the hammer on you to say,

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Speaker 2: I don't just worry about the deep shots at every pass.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he plays angry. You've seen that, and that's

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Speaker 1: Well, and really you know this as we were kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. But I will say, like we kind of

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Speaker 1: Well. We were talking about OBJ and we didn't really

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Speaker 1: What's that top gear like for OBJ? Does he still

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Speaker 1: he still got it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I actually a play I thought that kind of

438
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Speaker 2: showed that it was a short route. It was just

439
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Speaker 2: like a little screen to Odell and he caught it

440
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Speaker 2: kind of zig zagger between a bunch of defenders and

441
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Speaker 2: he basically ran all the way down the field. In

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Speaker 2: a real game, I don't think you would have. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 2: but to me, it's like good burst, good agility, total

444
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Speaker 2: comfort and confidence in that knee. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: good indication. And I actually go to what Marlon Humphrey

446
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Speaker 2: said about Odell. Yeah, He basically said, they've been talking

447
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Speaker 2: and Odell's like, yeah, I'm I'm not gonna like turn

448
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Speaker 2: it all the way up on you in practice, like

449
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna reserve some for the games. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to make you look too bad. And Marlon was like,

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Speaker 2: different times he's maybe look bad in practice. So if

452
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Speaker 2: he's holding something back, like that's a pretty good sign

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Speaker 2: for this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Marlon also said he expects two thousand yard

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Speaker 1: receivers for the Ravens this year. He was hearing which too,

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Speaker 1: but he said he expects two pretty commonly two thousand yards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually thought it was pretty interesting in hearing

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Speaker 2: from Marlin because like even before he got to that point,

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Speaker 2: he talked about like Washington's got some some good receivers

460
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Speaker 2: over there, and basically he was like, yeah, like in

461
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Speaker 2: practice we go against this really good, really deep receiving course,

462
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Speaker 2: like we're getting really good work for the season. And

463
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Speaker 2: he just seems to be really high on the Ravens

464
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Speaker 2: receiving group, like thinks that they're super talented. So if

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Speaker 2: he thinks there's gonna be two thousand yard receivers and

466
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Speaker 2: he feels like Odell's holding things back, for the regular season.

467
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Speaker 2: Like all of that says to me, like, this is

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Speaker 2: going to be a really good receiving corps this year

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Speaker 2: and there's reason to be excited about them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean, it's just it's it's fun to see,

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Speaker 1: especially enjoying practice to see him do it against somebody else,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, you see, you see then Marlon

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Speaker 1: Humphreys had his hands full of Jay and with Obj

474
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff too. But you see Zay, all right,

475
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Speaker 1: it's not just going against whatever, you know, Rock or

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Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens are kind of trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out who their number two number three corners are. Well,

478
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Speaker 1: now you're going against Emmanuel Forbes and against the Commanders,

479
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Speaker 1: going against on a team, same result, clicking them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think in terms of what Lamar had

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Speaker 2: to say today, I mean, he talked about the chemistry

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Speaker 2: and feels like it's there with Odell. You know, he's

483
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Speaker 2: still super excited about Zay Flowers and his shiftiness and

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Speaker 2: I think, get to do that against another team. But

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Speaker 2: I think kind of a theme of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: He made the point like he was asked about playing

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Speaker 2: in the preseason and he was basically like nah, like

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Speaker 2: I didn't play in the preseason last year, like you.

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Speaker 2: You kind of got your answer there. But these practices,

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Speaker 2: he feels like are incredibly valuable, Like like's going against

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Speaker 2: another team in these in these practices, and I think

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Speaker 2: that for guys like him who aren't going to see

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Speaker 2: preseason action, this is where you really get yourself ready.

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Speaker 2: And I think that he's taking these practices seriously. I

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Speaker 2: thought he had a pretty good day. One other guy

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Speaker 2: who I thought had a good day was Tylan Wallace.

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought he had a good camp. He's

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Speaker 2: had a good camp. He had the touchdown on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: You know, his day was again. I know people will

500
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Speaker 2: focus on like the scuffle, but it was bigger than that.

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Speaker 2: He had several nice catches. I thought he's had a

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Speaker 2: good camp. But he continued what he did on Saturday

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Speaker 2: night and carry that into today.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. And last thing I'll put out

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Speaker 1: Malie cam the undrafted outside linebacker, had some good wins

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Speaker 1: out there today. Saw him come in for a sack.

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Speaker 1: He had a pretty strong practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So the one question here. As always, you

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Speaker 2: can email us at the lounge at Ravens NFL dot Net.

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Speaker 2: A question from John who's asked us about the secondary depth.

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Speaker 2: There doesn't seem to be a lot of good news

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Speaker 2: lately about the Ravens secondary. The list of injured DB's

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Speaker 2: is growing and the number of free agent cornerbacks are

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Speaker 2: getting slim. How soon do you think that we need

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Speaker 2: to get a veteran to come relieve some of the

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Speaker 2: pressure that's been on the cornerbacks lately and is it

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Speaker 2: time to start worrying?

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the funny thing about that, and I agree

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Speaker 1: that obviously the injuries you don't like to see. Jaylenen

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Speaker 1: Armor Davis is expected back very soon. John Harwall said

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Speaker 1: Rocky Scene is not as soon as Jillen Armor Davis,

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Speaker 1: but it'souldn't be too far off, is from what it

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Speaker 1: sounds like. It doesn't sound like week one is in

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Speaker 1: jeopardy for Rocky Scene. Uh. Really, the biggest bummer there

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Speaker 1: is Pepe Williams, who's undergoing a second ankle surgery, and

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Speaker 1: John Harbell said he thinks maybe he can be back

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Speaker 1: in October, but that one, you know, that's significant. Now.

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Speaker 1: Pepe was a guy who we thought coming into the

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Speaker 1: off season was really gonna compete be a top challenger

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Speaker 1: for that starting nickel spot. So that's a bummer, But

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Speaker 1: like nothing is really significantly changed since OTA's right, when

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Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody really was complaining so much

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Speaker 1: about the Ravens like cornerbacks during OTA's right.

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Speaker 2: It's just that it's like you got a bunch of

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Speaker 2: little injuries that are.

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Speaker 1: Well and Arthur Roulette it's dealing with the hamstring.

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Speaker 2: Also, it's like you had all these guys who are

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Speaker 2: who are on the shelf right now, which maybe they're

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Speaker 2: all gonna be ready to go. You feel fine about that,

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Speaker 2: but once you start when when all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you've got three guys that are on the shelf, you

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Speaker 2: start to get nervous.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's tricky. It's like, I mean, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have did add a couple of defensive backs. They added

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Speaker 1: a veteran safety and they claimed the guy off of

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Speaker 1: Off Waivers also, and so they made a couple of additions.

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Speaker 1: But you know, how far do you go? Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think people are getting nervous about the number two

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Speaker 1: cornerback situation because Rocky Scene's not out there, yeah right,

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Speaker 1: and because the Ravens basically said like there's a open

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Speaker 1: competition for that for that spot, primarily between Rocky Scene

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Speaker 1: and Jayleen Armadavis. Well, not neither of them are on

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Speaker 1: the field, so that makes you nervous, but both are

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Speaker 1: expected back soon. So once they're back on the field, Like,

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Speaker 1: do you feel okay about the cornerback competition? Like rock

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Speaker 1: You Scene was the signing, rock You Scene was the

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Speaker 1: signing instead of Brain Back Marcus Peters. They signed Rocky Scene.

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Speaker 1: They have faith in him. Nothing has changed about rock

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, he's banged up right now,

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Speaker 1: but like we said, it shouldn't impact week one, and

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Speaker 1: so I get it. I mean I understand that, Like

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Speaker 1: you can't be weak at cornerback because that is a

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Speaker 1: potentially just like playoff eliminating weakness that can really bite you.

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Speaker 1: But as long as the Ravens feel confident that Rocky

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Speaker 1: Scene is gonna be back and healthy, and they feel

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Speaker 1: confident in the player that they've seen up to this

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Speaker 1: point with the injury, which I think they they should.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been pretty solid, then you don't really

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Speaker 1: have a long standing problem.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that it's a The two long

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Speaker 2: standing ones are Pepe Williams, and Trayvon Mullen who's on

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Speaker 2: n FI. And you know, Trayvon Mullen was a guy

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Speaker 2: who's probably gonna be competing for a roster spot. I

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Speaker 2: do think he looked pretty good during some of the

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Speaker 2: offseason practices.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we weren't signing them up for a starting job,

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Speaker 1: but he was.

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Speaker 2: He was competing, you know. But I think it's it's

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Speaker 2: more of the fact that you basically have had five

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Speaker 2: guys in the secondary who have gone down essentially in

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Speaker 2: camp for some period of time. Yeah, those two serious,

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Speaker 2: but then again, Rocky scene Jalen Armor Davis and Arthur Mullett,

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Speaker 2: thank you, and so you're now down five corners for

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Speaker 2: it at least as we stand right now. But all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, rock youre seeing Arthur Mullett and Jalen

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Speaker 2: Armor Davis are back on the field tomorrow, and everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're deep exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of my point is, like, how many guys

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Speaker 1: do you assign they're gonna come back from injuries? You can't?

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Speaker 2: You know, right, yeah, I think that you know, right now,

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Speaker 2: it's not I think that death is a concern. I

592
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Speaker 2: think whenever you start losing guys at that position, you

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Speaker 2: get nervous. We've seen that before. But I think that

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Speaker 2: I agree with you that there's still a lot of

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Speaker 2: confidence in Rock and Jalen and so I don't know,

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Speaker 2: And there's not like there's these a ton of guys

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Speaker 2: who are sitting on the street anymore. So I think

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Speaker 2: the Ravens are gonna roll with who they got for now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you sign a guy who's a veteran

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Speaker 1: who's been a starter elsewhere, what's that mean for Rock

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Speaker 1: when he comes back?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And Jalen, who is a pretty talented dude who I

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Speaker 1: want to see get some reps like, are you what

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Speaker 1: You're just gonna bump Rock out of the starting You

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Speaker 1: know he's probably in line for the starting job. You're

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Speaker 1: just gonna bump him because he got hurt for a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks because of his knee.

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Speaker 2: So John, to answer your question, make his not slam

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Speaker 2: in the panic button.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not, I'm not. I get it. A lot

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Speaker 1: of it rides on Rock. Is Rock going to be

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Speaker 1: a Rock this year? Is he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: really good player for them? You know they need him

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Speaker 1: to be. I think he should be his friend of Lounge,

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Speaker 1: so automatically, I think he's going to do great.

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Speaker 2: Yes, podcast Pump, Podcast Pump.

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Speaker 1: That's and does Jalen take a step forward in his

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Speaker 1: second year and play up to the talent level he's got.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's about consistency for him and finding the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field and all that stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's in the guy's hip pockets is just locating the

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Speaker 1: ball and making him play on it, breaking up passes.

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Speaker 1: So that's the question. Nothing's changed. Those are still the

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Speaker 1: questions that I had two months ago before their injury.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So as always, you can email us with the

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Speaker 2: Lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net send us questions

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Speaker 2: from commanders practices. We're going to do another podcast recap

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Speaker 2: after day two of Raven's Commander's practices, so stay tuned

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Speaker 2: for that. Also had it over to the Ravens Press

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Speaker 2: Past podcast feed. We've got all the press conferences posted

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Speaker 2: in their entirety good lineup that we had today Lamar Jackson, Markanews,

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Speaker 2: Marlin Humphrey coach Hardball, So make sure you check out

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Speaker 2: what they had to say. You can watch or you

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Speaker 2: can listen to that in the Press Past podcast feed,

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