WEBVTT - Don't Drink the Salt Water

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<v Speaker 1>All in a hot and copper sky. The bloody sun

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<v Speaker 1>at noon, right up above the mast, did stand no

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than the moon. Day after day, day after day,

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<v Speaker 1>we stuck nor breath nor motion. As idle is a

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<v Speaker 1>painted ship upon a painted ocean. Water water everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>all the boards did shrink water, water everywhere, nor any

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<v Speaker 1>drop to drink, A speck, a mist, a shape. I whisked,

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<v Speaker 1>and still it neared and neared, as if it dodged

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<v Speaker 1>a water sprite. It plunged, and tacked, and veered, with

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<v Speaker 1>throats unslaked, with black lips baked. We could not laugh

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<v Speaker 1>nor wail through uttered drought. All dumb we stood. I

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<v Speaker 1>bit my arm, I sucked the blood and cried A sail,

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<v Speaker 1>a sail with throats unslaked, with black lips baked agape.

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<v Speaker 1>They heard me call gram Mercy. They for joy did grin,

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<v Speaker 1>and all at once their breath drew in as they

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<v Speaker 1>were drinking. All. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind

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<v Speaker 1>from How Stuff Works dot com. Hey, you welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick and Olst Coleridge invading your ears.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right from his poem the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first chunk there, we're we're getting the famous

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<v Speaker 1>lines about about being thirsty at sea, having no fresh

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<v Speaker 1>water to drink, the ironic situation of finding yourself stranded

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<v Speaker 1>and inst all this water and yet none of it

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<v Speaker 1>is sufficient for for human consumption. And then in the

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<v Speaker 1>second section, the sailors are so thirsty that they turn

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<v Speaker 1>to drinking their own blood h to to satisfy their thirst. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a horror movie of the Romantic period. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it has everything. It has ghosts, it has an albatross,

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<v Speaker 1>it has c madness. Why is this classified as Romantic literature?

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<v Speaker 1>I need to go back to my English literature education

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<v Speaker 1>and understand what I think. It's about the spontaneous outpouring

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<v Speaker 1>of overpowering feelings, right, I think so. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>about people going crazy at see. Like one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite lines is is as follows, I took the oars.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot's boy, who now doth crazy go, laughed loud

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<v Speaker 1>and long, and all the while his eyes went to

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<v Speaker 1>and fro ha ha quoth eeful plane. I see the

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<v Speaker 1>devil knows how to row. That's great. It has a

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<v Speaker 1>great tell offline too. Uh So it starts. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember the framing of the Rhyme of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ancient Mariner. Most of the poem is this crazy

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<v Speaker 1>old mariner telling the story about how, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>killed an albatross and brought a curse upon his ship

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<v Speaker 1>up and they saw death and all this. But the

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<v Speaker 1>framing narrative is that there's this dude on his way

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<v Speaker 1>to a wedding and the crazy old sailor just grabs

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<v Speaker 1>him and starts telling his story. And as the poem

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<v Speaker 1>goes on, the narrator gets totally horrified and engrossed in

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<v Speaker 1>the old man's tail. But at first the narrator just yells,

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<v Speaker 1>unhand me, graybeard, loon. I often think of that when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody is like bidding for my attention at work and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to pay attention to them. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that's great about the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to how fantastic of a poem it it is,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's got really great old school illustrations, like this

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<v Speaker 1>Gustave dore A graving. We've got here of it, where

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's huddled in fear as they're watching the albatross perching

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<v Speaker 1>on the deck. Oh. Yeah, the his his artwork always

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<v Speaker 1>goes great with a kind of dark story, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean his his his illustrations of the divine comedy, various

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<v Speaker 1>biblical h stories that he illustrated. There's a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>darkness to those woodcuts. Yeah. Now, the line that often

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<v Speaker 1>gets quoted from the Ryme and the ancient Mariner water

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<v Speaker 1>water everywhere, I think slightly misquoted as and not a

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<v Speaker 1>drop to drink. Uh, of course, signals the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you often, as a sailor, be stuck out in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might be very, very thirsty, and you're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by water, but the water is not going to help

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<v Speaker 1>you with your thirst. That's right. This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most important survival facts out there, is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you were stranded at sea, upon a desert island,

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<v Speaker 1>upon a deserted ship, you name it, uh, do not

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<v Speaker 1>drink the salt water. Every survival handbook out there will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you the same, no matter how how tantalizing it

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<v Speaker 1>may seem, no matter how how logical the solution might appear,

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<v Speaker 1>you should not drink the salt water. Because you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna lose that race, because it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with you. Yes, you, you are going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose the chemical race against the solvent wait, the salute

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<v Speaker 1>the salt anyway, against this solution of in a c

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<v Speaker 1>L in H two O. And I also wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>think about how I think it's fascinating to make just

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical compound such a grim apocalyptic figure in a

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<v Speaker 1>poem like as a grim apocalyptic tale about death by

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<v Speaker 1>sea water. I think the rhyme of the ancient mariner

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty much the best, but I often think about

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<v Speaker 1>what sorts of chemistry is could figure into modern apocalyptic

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi, and I think salt would be a really

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<v Speaker 1>great one. So, Robert, do you want to hear my

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<v Speaker 1>pitch for the sci fi version of the saltwater Apocalypse? Sure, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I you're gonna you have quite a challenge here in

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<v Speaker 1>capturing the same cadence you know. Well, no, it's I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do the romantic poetry, but I'll try to do

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<v Speaker 1>the scenario. So the fact is, the Earth's oceans were

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<v Speaker 1>not always as salty as they are now, because salt

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<v Speaker 1>is not intrinsic to the ocean water. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you think about, well, most of the water on

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth is in the oceans. The salt water therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>or vastly out numbers the the amount of freshwater out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and out numbers is the right word, because it's not enumerated.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's way more salt water than there is fresh water.

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<v Speaker 1>The vast majority of water is saltwater. Therefore, it would

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<v Speaker 1>seem rational to to guess that this is the natural

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<v Speaker 1>state of water. No, it's not. Freshwater is the natural

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<v Speaker 1>state of water. The ocean's got salty, and they got

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<v Speaker 1>salty from billions of years of rinsing the rocks. See

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's crust is about two point eight percent sodium, the

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<v Speaker 1>most common compound in rock salt being in a cl

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<v Speaker 1>or sodium chloride. This is the same as common table salt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what you'd put on your food, and as slightly

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<v Speaker 1>acidic rainwater and freshwater runoff rinses and dissolves the rocks

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<v Speaker 1>of Planet Earth over long periods of time. It dissolves

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<v Speaker 1>little bits of that sodium chloride and carries all of

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<v Speaker 1>that sodium downstream and eventually into the ocean, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this salt accumulates the oceans. Because the sun heats the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean water causes it to evaporate, it forms clouds, and

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<v Speaker 1>those clouds eventually rain the water back down on the land,

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<v Speaker 1>but the salt pretty much stays where it is now. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>there are natural processes known as salt sinks, and these

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<v Speaker 1>help remove salt from the ocean and deposit it back

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<v Speaker 1>on land or in the crust. And for this reason,

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<v Speaker 1>the salt content of the ocean seems fairly stable for now.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if in the future the oceans became more

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<v Speaker 1>like the fatally salty dead sea, where if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen what people look like when they swim in the

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<v Speaker 1>dead sea, they bob like a bob blur like you

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<v Speaker 1>just totally float on the surface because of the high

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<v Speaker 1>salinity of the water. But also what you'll notice is

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see any fish or any seaweed or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No macroscopic organisms can live in water that's salty, So

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<v Speaker 1>we could have a salt apocalypse. They caught the dead

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<v Speaker 1>sea for a reason. Yeah, what if the whole sea

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<v Speaker 1>was the dead Sea? I like it. I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can eat that. It can even be the title

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<v Speaker 1>dead sea. And then holand and then whatever sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>year you want to go with, it's like dead sea

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<v Speaker 1>the saltan ng. Yeah, alright, I like that. I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should talk a little bit about just

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<v Speaker 1>how much salt is in the ocean currently. Uh just

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<v Speaker 1>the what are the current sea salt levels to the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean About a hundred pounds, right, Well a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. Uh So, seawater is saltwater to the

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<v Speaker 1>tune of three point five average salinity, So that's thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five parts per thousand and there. The crazy part here

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's so much salt in Earth's oceans that supposedly,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to remove it all and spread it

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<v Speaker 1>evenly across the surface, you'd have a forty story layer

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<v Speaker 1>of salt. Now, it should be fairly obvious that drinking

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<v Speaker 1>salt water is not a good idea when you're thirsty.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a reason we keep returning to this idea

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<v Speaker 1>in our fiction, right because in much of human history,

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of areas where you could get stuck

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<v Speaker 1>out on the ocean without fresh water. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>love those type of stories, right, I mean, the there're

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<v Speaker 1>stories of of of man versus nature, a human being

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<v Speaker 1>trying to survive and again, like I accluded to earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>there is something deeply ironic about being surrounded by water

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<v Speaker 1>and not being able to drink any of it. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that Simpsons episode where Homer starts drinking the salt water?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's a boy Scouts in the hood where

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<v Speaker 1>he misquotes the poem and says, water water everywhere, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's all have a drink, and starts drinking palm full

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<v Speaker 1>and palm after palm full of salt water until they

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<v Speaker 1>just pull him away from the edge of the life raft. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It shows up other places as well, in

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<v Speaker 1>in the Song of Ice and Fire saga, George r

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<v Speaker 1>and Martin's Iron Islanders, the sort of love crafty and

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<v Speaker 1>vikings of the series, the ones that everybody's always saying,

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<v Speaker 1>give us more chapters with them, that's who I want

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<v Speaker 1>to spend my time with. Well, yeah, I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that way. I ended up feeling that way where

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<v Speaker 1>real TV series. I was like, Hey, there's all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff you could be doing with the Iron Islanders.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kind of cool. Oh sorry, I said that. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like most people are just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>paging through the Iron Islands chapters like, come on, give

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<v Speaker 1>me back to the other character. I feel like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I did at one point, but they reached a point

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<v Speaker 1>in the Iron Islanders narrative where I got really invested

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Well, they do have a really cool religion

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<v Speaker 1>that has to do with an underwater god who has

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<v Speaker 1>a major salt component. Yeah. Yeah, and then the whole

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<v Speaker 1>drowned god that that pops up in their religion. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they have these priests, they have these ritualized drownings. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes a little vague, like to what extent it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a violent Viking baptism in the sea, or if

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of supernatural element going on as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But they drink seawater. They do drink seawater. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna drink it as the priest is attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>drown you. But then also it said that their priests

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<v Speaker 1>drinks seawater to quote to strengthen their faith. But you

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<v Speaker 1>should not drink seawater to strengthen your body. So the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, yeah, humans need a lot of water, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't need a lot of salt. We can

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<v Speaker 1>consume small amounts of salt, certainly. We do it all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Uh, we love salty foods and also we

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<v Speaker 1>need salt to maintain our body chemistry. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a situation where it's just a completely alien component.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of who we are. But we don't need

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<v Speaker 1>that much, but we absolutely do need some. Like at

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<v Speaker 1>any given time, the average human body contains I read

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<v Speaker 1>this today, about two hundred and fifty grams of sodium.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about eight point eight ounces. Your standard cylinder container

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<v Speaker 1>of Morton table salt, you know, the you know the

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<v Speaker 1>can as salt, the big one. This is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that larger than a soda can. Well, it's the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six ounces can. Yeah, exactly. Uh, that container of Morton

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<v Speaker 1>table salt twenty six ounces. So if you've got eight

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<v Speaker 1>point eight ounces in the average human body, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>your body size, more or less, about one third of

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<v Speaker 1>those containers is inside you right now, that seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of salt, right, Like, if you put that

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<v Speaker 1>much salt on a meal, the meal would be, I

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<v Speaker 1>dare say, too salty. I think most people would agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Yes, I want to tell a story that

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine once told me. So, Uh, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>she she's very smart outdoors person. She does a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hiking, and she knows how to handle herself in

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<v Speaker 1>the wilderness. And she was out hiking one time on

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<v Speaker 1>a trail in Zion National Park and it was out

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<v Speaker 1>in the heat. And of course, you know when you're

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<v Speaker 1>hiking out in the heat and the desert on the rocks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you need to take plenty of water with

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<v Speaker 1>you and to keep drinking in order to keep yourself hydrated.

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<v Speaker 1>And under that desert sun, dehydration and overheating can really

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<v Speaker 1>sneak up on you. So the smart thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>is not wait until you're super thirsty to drink some water,

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<v Speaker 1>but keep sipping. Be very conscientious about keeping yourself cool,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping water coming in. And this this friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, she knows how, she knows what to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the outside. So she was drinking plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>water out on the rocks, but she noticed that she

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<v Speaker 1>started to feel terrible. She felt nausea, as she had

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<v Speaker 1>a headache, weakness, and I think she said she was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of confused and foggy, and normally in that situation

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<v Speaker 1>you'd think, Okay, I'm out in the desert, I'm probably

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<v Speaker 1>getting dehydrated. I need to rest and drink more water.

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<v Speaker 1>But she kept drinking water and the symptoms didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>any better, so she didn't know what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They got concerned and she came back down off the

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<v Speaker 1>trail and ended up at a shuttle station where they

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<v Speaker 1>called for emergency services. So what's going on? Right? It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the symptoms of dehydration almost but she had

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<v Speaker 1>been drinking so much water it didn't really make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So the paramedics arrived, they got the lay of the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>They and what they eventually did was they got her

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<v Speaker 1>to eat some pretzels. So the problem wasn't a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of water, It was too much water deluding the salt

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<v Speaker 1>content of her blood plasma, and what she needed to

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<v Speaker 1>bounce back were some salty snacks. All right, So that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like what everyone needs to bring with them on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a hike from now and to just make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you do have some pretzels tucked away for emergency use.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you need a rapid infusion of salt, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the best thing to eat? I imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>situation is fairly rare in America. Yeah, like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>do love our salt. Yeah, well, I I love salty

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<v Speaker 1>foods too, but like, what is it like Doritos? Or

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<v Speaker 1>should you take a jar of pickles or a stick

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<v Speaker 1>of pepperoni? But see, other people might see you taking

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<v Speaker 1>that bag of Doritos or jar of pickles, would be

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<v Speaker 1>on the hike, and they're gonna, they're gonna they might

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<v Speaker 1>judge you for your your your choice in trail food.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you just need like a salty trail mix

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<v Speaker 1>or packets of soy sauce, which will come back to

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit. Okay, Yeah, Well, I wonder if some people,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to their hydration when they're like running and exercising,

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<v Speaker 1>they squirt those little electrolyte gel things, right, and those

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<v Speaker 1>have some amount of salt content to help keep you balanced. Right. Yeah? Yeah, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>gross side note of the story she told me about

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<v Speaker 1>the shuttle station. Uh, my friend, she felt so bad

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<v Speaker 1>after she got down there that she vomited out on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground somewhere. And then later, while she was waiting around,

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<v Speaker 1>she got to watch a wild fox wander over and

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<v Speaker 1>start eating it. Oh well, that's kind of beautiful, really. Cycle, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle of whatever her life. She ate and then

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<v Speaker 1>vomited and then something else got to you. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean she was. She was behaving much like certain buzzards

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<v Speaker 1>do when threatened. You know, a vomit which a vomiting

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<v Speaker 1>display that is either meant to scare off a predator

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<v Speaker 1>or to distract it with a bribe. Yeah, here you

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<v Speaker 1>can have this. Yeah, have these pretzels, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>in gatorade. So we totally need sodium to keep our

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<v Speaker 1>bodies functioning right. If you don't have enough sodium in

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<v Speaker 1>the body, this is called hyponotremia, and you can experience

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<v Speaker 1>some really messed up symptoms. And in addition to what

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<v Speaker 1>you heard about in that story, nausea, vomiting, headache, fatigue,

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<v Speaker 1>and all that, you can on the far end of problems,

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<v Speaker 1>if he gets bad enough, you can end up with

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<v Speaker 1>seizures in coma. So I mentioned that sodium is an electrolyte,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's one of the reasons that it's necessary in

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<v Speaker 1>the body and in a electro light is a substance

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<v Speaker 1>that tends to dissolve in a solution and produce ions,

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<v Speaker 1>or charged particles. The presence of these charged particles makes

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<v Speaker 1>the solution a better conductor of electricity. For example, salt

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<v Speaker 1>water is a much better conductor of electricity than fresh water.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want proof of this, you can look

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<v Speaker 1>up videos of salt water circuits. Have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>one of these? Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>advise you to try this on your own at home

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<v Speaker 1>unless you really know what you're doing. Electricity and water

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<v Speaker 1>can be a dangerous combination. But the basic setup is

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a circuit, uh and it's connected to a

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<v Speaker 1>battery and to a light bulb, and at one point

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<v Speaker 1>on your circuit you have open wire ends that are

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<v Speaker 1>stuck down into a jar of water. So the electricity

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<v Speaker 1>would need to go through the water to complete the circuit.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've just got regular tap water, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got something like distilled water, the bulb is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to light up. It can't generate enough current to

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<v Speaker 1>really complete the circuit. But if you stir some salt

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<v Speaker 1>into the water, suddenly the boat the bulb will come

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<v Speaker 1>to life. And there's some kind of rough equivalence to

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<v Speaker 1>that within within the body, Like the body is an

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<v Speaker 1>electrochemical machine, and one of the ways it regulates itself

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<v Speaker 1>and does its stuff is through electrochemical signaling and electrochemical exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>So your body cells have membranes surrounding them, and these

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<v Speaker 1>membranes are electrically permeable. They can allow ions to pass

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<v Speaker 1>through to balance electrical charge on the sides of the membrane,

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<v Speaker 1>and by exchanging potassium ions and sodium ions across the

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<v Speaker 1>cell membrane, the cells can for example, direct an electrical impulse,

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<v Speaker 1>which means a chain of nerve cells can pass a

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<v Speaker 1>message from one part of the body to another. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can also think of sodium and potassium as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways that stuff gets into and out of

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<v Speaker 1>a cell. This electrolyte exchange across the cell membrane can

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<v Speaker 1>be used, for example, to exchange glucose to get glucose

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<v Speaker 1>into the cell, and the body also uses sodium to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain overall fluid balance and regulate blood pressure. So you

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<v Speaker 1>need sodium. It's an important part of everything your body

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<v Speaker 1>needs to do to survive. Without it, you would not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to live. But like we were saying, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need a lot of it. It's interesting, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>How you end up revisiting the body as this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of chemical equation. But for the most part, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>self regulating chemical chemical equation, provided that you have you

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<v Speaker 1>have your your your typical resources around you. Yeah, unless

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<v Speaker 1>there's something really wrong with your inputs. Generally, if the

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<v Speaker 1>body is healthy, it's going to be balancing the sides

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<v Speaker 1>of this equation on its own, and so the body

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<v Speaker 1>usually tries to keep the sodium content very stable between

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<v Speaker 1>about a hundred and thirty five and a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty five milli equivalence of sodium per liter of water

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<v Speaker 1>in your body. And mill mill equivalence is a measure

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<v Speaker 1>and chemistry often used to measure the amount of solute

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<v Speaker 1>and a solution. In this case, it's sodium and water

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<v Speaker 1>and there are one thousand milli equivalents and an equivalent.

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<v Speaker 1>So notice that's a pretty tight range for normal sodium

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<v Speaker 1>levels right on to one forty five mill equivalents. Means

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<v Speaker 1>that the body needs to be constantly managing its retention

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<v Speaker 1>and excretion of sodium to keep those levels in the

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<v Speaker 1>optimal functioning range. But having too much salt is I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess a more common problem than having too little,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly just as potentially harmful, and drinking seawater puts

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<v Speaker 1>you at immediate risk for over salting. Your body and

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<v Speaker 1>your cells can basically start to get like salted slugs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good. It's not good. It's really it's really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of diabolical. The way it plays out, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like some sort of the punishment from the inferno. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically what happens is humans were eating and drinking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to dilute our salt intake. So you're fine normally,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a salty meal, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>kill you immediately because you can drink water to make

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<v Speaker 1>up for it. Your your kidneys will help you excrete

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<v Speaker 1>all that salt over a period of time. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason you have that super gulp of sugary soda water,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, But yeah, if we consume to much salt,

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<v Speaker 1>the body has to dump it. But that that body

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<v Speaker 1>has to get rid of that salt the only way

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<v Speaker 1>it knows how through urine evacuation mode exactly. But the

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<v Speaker 1>human kidneys can only make urine that is less salty

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<v Speaker 1>than salt water, so it cannot it can't get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of it as fast as it's coming in. To get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of all that excess salt from saltwater, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to urinate more water than you drink and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the path to do you die of dehydration, becoming thirstier

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<v Speaker 1>and thirstier with every gulp. It's one of those faiths

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<v Speaker 1>that is not only cruel but ironic. All Right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a quick break and when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get more into this situation. What happens when

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<v Speaker 1>we do drink saltwater? And another outline question, does it

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<v Speaker 1>lead to madness? Does it lead to sea madness? Than?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. So, Robert, we've talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>the body needs sodium to survive, but if you have

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<v Speaker 1>too much of it, it's going to be a big

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<v Speaker 1>problem for you. And if you start drinking seawall or

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<v Speaker 1>when you're thirsty, it will not cure your thirst, but

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<v Speaker 1>will take you down a bad road. That's right, the

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<v Speaker 1>road to doom. So the body tries to compensate for

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<v Speaker 1>fluid loss by increasing the heart rate and constricting blood

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<v Speaker 1>vessels to maintain blood pressure and flow to vital organs.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're you're also most likely to feel nauseous, weakness

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<v Speaker 1>and even a sense of delirium. But if you become

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<v Speaker 1>more dehydrated, the coping mechanism fails. If you still don't

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<v Speaker 1>drink any water to reverse the effects of the excess sodium.

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<v Speaker 1>The brain and other organs receive less blood, leading to coma,

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<v Speaker 1>organ failure and eventually death. Right. So, as we've said

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<v Speaker 1>several times, now, if you're thirsty out on the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>don't drink the sea water. That's right. And the delirium

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<v Speaker 1>condition there that that underlies the whole idea of sea madness. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you could become delirious from drinking the seawater. We see

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit of that portrayed, I think in the

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<v Speaker 1>rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, even though well I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it ever establishes in the poem a cause

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<v Speaker 1>and effect saying like, oh, somebody he drank the seawater

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<v Speaker 1>and then they went mad. I can't remember. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>in there? At least you get that vibe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be that this, this character, the old man

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<v Speaker 1>from the sea, is just making up this whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>He could be may he just drank seawater right just

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<v Speaker 1>right out of the bay and walked up to this

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<v Speaker 1>guy on his way to the wedding. There's really no uh,

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<v Speaker 1>no epic survival story to to relate. Now, if this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was going to an ancient Greek wedding. It's possible

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<v Speaker 1>he may have been on his way to drink some

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<v Speaker 1>seawater himself, right, yeah, this so this is interesting. I

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<v Speaker 1>I was not aware of the medicinal consumption of seawater

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<v Speaker 1>prior to researching this episode, but I ended up running

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<v Speaker 1>across it and it's it's fascinating. So we mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>fictional Iron Islanders earlier, a seagoing people in George R.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin's book who who honored the sea and believe their

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<v Speaker 1>god lives under the sea. And uh, this of course

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<v Speaker 1>lines up with a number of different traditions of ocean

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<v Speaker 1>going people, particularly the ancient Greeks, who were a sea

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<v Speaker 1>faring culture, and they placed a lot of emphasis on

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<v Speaker 1>the power of the ocean and the if you anger Poseidon,

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<v Speaker 1>it could really come back to bite you. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, really most of the Greek gods were

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<v Speaker 1>terrible entities to even attract the attention of much less

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<v Speaker 1>tick off. But Poseidon does fit feature into a number

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<v Speaker 1>of these tales. I mean, in that what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>Odysseus he made Poseidon that yeah, he's he's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the central antagonist of that one, isn't it. But the

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<v Speaker 1>Greeks they sometimes added seawater to wine to to adjust

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<v Speaker 1>the flavoring. Um Kato the elder reportedly served it to

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<v Speaker 1>his slaves, a mixture of wine and seawater to keep

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<v Speaker 1>them energized. That doesn't sound like an energy drink, well,

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<v Speaker 1>or does it? Like the electrolytes. I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like ancient cruel gatorade. I guess all

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<v Speaker 1>energy drinks are cruel, but that that is crueler than usual. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>during the eighteenth century, physicians took inspiration from the works

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<v Speaker 1>of Hippocrates and Celsus and they revived the pract this.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh now, one of the classical approach was to sweeten

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<v Speaker 1>your saltwater, your sweeten your seawater with honey. The British

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<v Speaker 1>like to dilute it with milk. This sounds gross and

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<v Speaker 1>just a big glass of salty milk to uh, you know,

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to to enhance your constitution. I guess I'm trying to

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 1>imagine how salty it was like. As we've said that

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>they're they're electrolytes in some sports drinks, So is this

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<v Speaker 1>going to end up being about as salty as gatorade

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>or is it going to be like a salty salty drink. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we find one possible answer in an excellent

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>two thousand thirteen Atlantic article by Addie Brown titled the

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>historic Healing Power of the Beach. I'll include a link

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<v Speaker 1>to this article on the Landing page for this episode

0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 1>of Stuff to Put Your Mind dot Com, because she

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<v Speaker 1>gets into not only the idea of drinking saltwater, but

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<v Speaker 1>just this idea of the beach as a place where

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<v Speaker 1>one might go to heal oneself, which is which is

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting topic onto itself and one that I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself believing in and yet yet unsure of the scientific

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, underlying truth to it. Well, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>part of a broader phenomenon, especially in the eighteenth century.

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I can think of of people who have a disease

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<v Speaker 1>being prescribed by their doctors, not to like take a

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 1>drug or I mean, though that did happen too, but

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>to go to a specific climate. I think about, you know,

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 1>keats being prescribed you need to go to like a

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Mediterranean climate to get well or something. Yeah. But as

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:25.440
<v Speaker 1>she points out in the article, there was a time

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>when hanging out of the beach that's what peasants did.

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>It's only as this, uh, this resurgence of the healing

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>power of the beach becomes a thing that you see

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.239
<v Speaker 1>the higher classes heading out there as well. Now. In

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>this article though, she points out that in seventeen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Richard Russell published a treatise titled A Dissertation on

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<v Speaker 1>the Use of Seawater in the Diseases of the Glands,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the scurvy, jaundice, King's Evil, leprosy and the glandular consumption. Okay,

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>so the King's Evil, the King's evil. So the King's

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>evil was a swelling of the lymph nodes associated with

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the tuberculosis. But of course the idea was that this

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 1>condition could be cured by the touch of a royal

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>royal person who was blessed by the divine right of king.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>We know now that that that that cure does not work.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>They're probably a great way to get syphilis. Just looking

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<v Speaker 1>back on the history. Wait, was this also known as

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<v Speaker 1>the SCROFULA Is that I think I've read that? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe so so Dr Russell. He he prescribed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of seawater, including to one of his patients who

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<v Speaker 1>who suffered from leprosy, and he required uh this particular

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>patient to sprinkle himself with seawater and quote drink a

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<v Speaker 1>pint of seawater every morning during nine months without any intervals,

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and he reported a full recovery. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>a pint of seawater that is a lot of salt. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think so. I kept thinking about it during

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<v Speaker 1>my recent trip to the beach, like what have I?

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<v Speaker 1>What have I followed Dr Russell's advice and I myself

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>just drank a pint of this stuff every morning just

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to kick off the day. Now here's a question I wonder.

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if maybe people were in some cases not

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<v Speaker 1>drinking enough fresh water, and that by getting people to

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>drink seawater it made them thirsty, so they would end

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>up drinking a lot of fresh water to make up

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>for it, and that that would actually increase their overall

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 1>water consumption and make them healthier. Well. But of course

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>then that depends on their access to fresh water. Does

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it result in the drinking more fresh water? Does it

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>result in them drinking more beer? I don't know. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say the answers probably beer. So if you were if

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<v Speaker 1>you are stuck at sea or on a deserted island

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>or what have you. Obviously beer would be the better choice.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>But but let's say you definitely have to drink seawater.

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>You should not drink seawater. But let's say it starts

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>looking like a good idea, how might one go about that?

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, didn't we say you shouldn't do it?

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>No matter what? Exactly all the survival manual say do

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>not drink seawater. And yet you will find particular survivalist

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>who say, look, you shouldn't drink seawater, but here's how

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you do it. Here's how I did it and survived.

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's hear some salty prescriptions. Okay, So

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>once again, to be clear, there are accounts, and sometimes

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>rather disputed accounts, of individuals surviving their or their ordeals

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:27.479
<v Speaker 1>at sea through the balance consumption of seawater. Balance. So

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that means not just like ladling it out and drinking it,

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>but maybe mixing it with consumption of freshwater or something else. Yeah.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Noteworthy examples of this include French biologist Alan Bombard, nor

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Even Norwegian adventure thor Hira Dhrynch and sailor William Willis.

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk a little bit about bombard here. He

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>lived through two thousand five, he went to an Oceano

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>graphic institute in Monte Carlo to develop ways for people

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>lost in small boats to survive. This after he and

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>a friend survived in a boat for five days with

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<v Speaker 1>only a half kilogram of butter. Of butter, what is

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that supposed to say? Water butter? Just butter? Yes, butter,

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>That not water butter. So what he's saying is, you know,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>if if there's no fresh water around, you're saying, drink butter.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That what we're being told here basically. But now, during

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>his his time in Monding Carlo, he concluded the drinking

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>limited quality quantities of seawater and fluids pressed from raw

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>fish and eating raw fish and plankton that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the way to go. Well, it'll come back in a

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit later in this episode, but that maybe part

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of the strategy employed by some organisms that live in

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the ocean exactly, but this case, like I said, it's

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a little uncertain exactly how that all this shakes out.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>He later put it to the test and claimed that

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>while the raw fish and plankton tasted like lobster, biscuit.

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>First it grew tiresome. Oh, it grew tiresome on the

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>on the lifeboat. Yeah and uh. And then a critic

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>comes along, and doctor Hans Lindeman, who lived UH ninety

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>two through two thousand and fifteen, he tried to follow

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>his advice and drink seawater to survive on two short voyages,

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>resulting in dangerous swelling of his feet and legs. And

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.479
<v Speaker 1>he ended up charging bombered with cheating, saying that he

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>had he'd probably used secreted provisions to survive in this test.

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>And uh, and and I believe he he suggested that

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it was probably beer. To come back to our mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>of beer earlier. Now, he's not the only word on

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the whole issue of how much seawater should you drink?

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<v Speaker 1>According to the paper Metabolic Effects in Rats drinking increasing

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>concentrations of seawater by z Eton and R. Yaggle, published

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>in Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part A UH Physiology found

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that yes, drinking seawater wind dehydrated is quote not beneficial

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and causes impaired renal function. But you put comes to shove.

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>They recommend the following. Oh, so they actually got some

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>results that might be useful to save lives. Yeah, now

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>these are from These are with rats. But they say

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>when the concentration of seawater in the drinking water is

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>gradually increased, there is a gradual increase in water uptake

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and corresponding urine excretion. At fifty seawater the maximum uptake

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>and excretion is reached. Following this, there is a decline

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and appetite water uptake in urine secretion. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they say. It is suggested that when

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<v Speaker 1>a man is stranded at sea, it is not advisable

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to drink all the fresh water and then be compelled

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to drink seawater when be hydrated. It is better to

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>slowly increase the seawater uptake. This will prolong the time

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>before seawater needs to be drunk and result in only

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.959
<v Speaker 1>minor metabolic changes. Return to freshwater will be followed by

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>an immediate return to normal homeostasis. Now, I want to

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>come back to soy sauce for a second, because, as

0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, there there are, of course other ways

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to acquire salt poisoning, such as the two thousand thirteen

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>case reported in the Journal of Emergency Medicine in which

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen year old Virginian man drank a quart of

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>soy sauce what apparently on a dare, and he he

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:19.719
<v Speaker 1>developed a hypernatremia. So it's the opposite of the condition

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you were talking earlier. This is too much salt in

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the blood. Then this is super dangerous because it essentially

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>turns your brain into jerky. Now, if I had to guess,

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I suppose I could, I would guess that if the

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>body detected that much salt going in through the digestive system,

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it would just immediately rejected through vomiting, you would think.

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>And yet in this case, he drank down the the

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>soy sauce and then he started complaining of of these

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>symptoms that he was feeling nauseous. Because in this case,

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>he he drank enough to go into a seizure and

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>had to had had to be picked up by the

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>ambulance taken to the emergency room. So so what happens

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>here is that the water ends up moving out of

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the brain into the body to equalize the salt concentration,

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and this can cause the brain to shrink into BLEI.

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>So at once he arrives at the emergency room, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to pump one point five gallons or six liters

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of sugar water into a system, and his levels normalized

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>after five hours. The hippocampus, however, a region of his brain,

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>showed signs of trauma for several days before returning to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've said, don't drink the sea water. Also, don't

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>drink the soy sauce. Don't you don't drink the soy sauce,

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and certainly don't slam the soy sauce. Not to demonize

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>soy sauce. Big fan of soy sauce. Now. Interestingly enough,

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>in the paper, authors Carl Berg at All reports that

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient China, salt ingestion was a traditional method for suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>This led me to a paper. Yeah, this this the

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>floored me as well. That sounds like the result of

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>like some sick brainstorming session at a salm movie writer's

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>meeting where they're trying to come up with like the

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>most horrible way to kill somebody. I agree, I I was.

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I was a little doubtful of it, so I ended

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>up doing a little more research on it. This let

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>me do a paper in jama titled Suicide by Drinking

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a solution of salt by sea Herman Barlow sounds good, right,

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.479
<v Speaker 1>except it's a nineteen twelve paper, so that it's it's

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, not definitive. But in this the author says, quote,

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>salt is taken for suicidal purposes, sometimes in a common

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>saturated solution made with water as the solvent, and sometimes

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in the brine from salted crowd. Poisoning by salt usually

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>presents a picture of high temperature and pulse purging, vomiting

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and spasm um. Yeah, I couldn't find anything else on this. Really.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I found that I found some some information about the

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>nature of suicide in Chinese society, and in the book

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Chinese Society, Change, Conflict and Resistance uh and and in

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>this author is seeingly an author Kleinman. They write the

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 1>quote suicide is not simply authorized in the China. The

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>tradition as an unnatural death. It was to be avoided,

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was in some text not to be mourned.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Suicide was polluted and polluting. I wasn't able to find

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>much more about traditional Chinese suicide practices other than that. Yeah.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>One of the types of claims I'm often the most

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>skeptical of is just sort of like generic claims about

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>cultural practices in some culture other than the one writing

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, and especially when drinking salt water as

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>a means of killing yourself is it does seem nonsensical.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they're much better ways. It seems like this,

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>this would be the sort of thing that would want

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to be driven to in a survival situation or in

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>a case of some sort of severe mental instability. Yeah.

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>But if you are out there and you know of

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a more authoritative source about this, police send it our way.

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>This would be interesting to know. By all means. All right, well,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>we are going to take a quick breaking. When we

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 1>come back, we'll ask the question, do any animals drink seawater?

0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>And if so, how all we're back. So, when you

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 1>think of ocean dwelling animals, if you're like me, you

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 1>probably assumed that they just must have some way of

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>drinking saltwater to hydrate themselves. That's what seems obvious, right,

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>But this isn't necessarily the case, not for all of them.

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I found a good explainer in this Scientific American article

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>by a marine biologist, Robert Kinney of the University of

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island about how animals that live in the sea

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 1>consume saltwater. Specifically, he was focused on mammals, and one

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of the things he pointed out is that it's not

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 1>that marine mammals are like these salt monsters with ten

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>percent salt in their blood. In fact, despite the fact

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>that they live in this salty environment, the salt concentration

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in their blood is not very different from that of

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>terrestrial mammals. So they're they're insides are a lot like

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>our inside. So their blood is generally about one third

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 1>as salty as sea water, which is kind of close

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>to what ours is. But some sea dwelling mammals get

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>water not by drinking from the ocean and purging the salt,

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>but from their food. This kind of goes back to

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Bombard's recommendation where he said, you know, maybe you can

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>get uh some freshwater content by pressing the flesh of

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>fish or something like that, or or of marine plants.

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>You've heard a million times that the human body is,

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, however many percent water three water or whatever.

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I think the real figure is something close to by mass. Well.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Other organisms are also largely made of water, and if

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you eat them, you can get water from them. But

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 1>sub marine organisms also actually do drink the brine wine.

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So how does that work? Well, they're basically two different approaches.

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>One approach is that they act as osmotic conformers. Okay,

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>what does that mean? So marine plants and invertebrates they

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>have no mechanism to control osmosis. So their cells are

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the same salinity as their environment thirty five for ocean dwellers,

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and that means saltwater intake doesn't disrupt their physiological equal librium.

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's plants and invertebrates that they basically say, Okay,

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>we're just committing to salt life exactly. But what about vertebrates?

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>All right, this is where we encounter osmotic regulators. Most fish,

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 1>as well as reptiles, birds, and mammals control osmosis in

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a variety of ways. For instance, salmon you specialized cells

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 1>on their gills called chloride cells to cope with osmosis.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Chloride cells can excrete excess salt, allowing a fish to

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 1>take uh in water without dehydrating. Okay, so you can

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>imagine that in some senses these might work kind of

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>like the like the water purifying plants that that get

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>fresh water out of the ocean water through some process

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of reverse osmosis. They've got a membrane and it allows

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.919
<v Speaker 1>water to come through from one side to the other,

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>but keeps the salt out, or maybe the way the

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 1>body works by purging salt in the other way, like

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>it can excrete salt through a membrane while retaining the

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>water content. Yeah, I think that's a that's a good

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>way to put it now. I recently returned from a

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 1>trip to Florida, and I was sort of churning over

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this salt research while I was down there,

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 1>as I was encountering manatees both in the wild and

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>uh in an aquarium set situation, as well as some

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 1>exhibits with a number of different aquatic reptiles. So one

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>example was the American crocodile. It excretes salt through the

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>use of modified salivary glands called lingual salt glands in

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>their tongues salty tongues yea, and these allow them to

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 1>tolerate partially salty water or even full seawater in some species.

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>And similarly, the green and loggerhead sea turtles have salt

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>glands near their eyes. Um salt glands are also found

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>in sharks, raised skates, seabirds and a few reptiles. Marine

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>iguanas are a great example of this. They have nasal

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>salt glands that dislodge the salt through this splendid nasal blast. Oh.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's why sometimes you see those marine

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>iguanas looking so crusty on the face. Probably so, there

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>are a few different I want to say. It's probably

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the end of the BBC series with Attenborough where you

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.439
<v Speaker 1>get to see some of these these iguanas swimming under

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the water and then coming up on the surface to

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>just blast that salt out of their nose. Okay, well,

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>how about some mammals. All right, Well the manatee is

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that the perfect example to look to next.

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So among the Sirenian species, you have both strict fresh

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>water inhabitants such as the Amazonian manatees. These are like

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 1>river manatees. Yeah, and then you have strictly saltwater inhabitants

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:39.240
<v Speaker 1>like the marine doo gongs. Now, if anyone's not familiar

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>with the doo gong, it's essentially like a manatee. It

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>looks like a manatee. Uh, kind of a gray Mitchell

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 1>entire man. Yeah, except its tail is more like that

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of a whale or you know, even I guess a

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>mermaid as opposed to the the the West Indian manatee,

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the manatee that you encounter in Florida, has this kind

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of paddle tail. And yeah, the West Indian manateee is

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>is really most interesting because it inhabits both fresh and

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>salty water and of course the brackish waters in between. Now,

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>given their vulnerability, the manatee has received quite a bit

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of study. According to the University of Central Florida's Physiological

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Ecology and bio bio Energetic Slab, manatees and fresh water

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>seem to get a great deal of water from the

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>food they eat. Their voracious herbivores, after all, consuming around

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.879
<v Speaker 1>nine percent of their body weight per day, and they

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>weigh up to twelve thirteen pounds or so. They're they're

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 1>large animals. Plus they also drink a lot of fresh

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>water while it's there. Uh, there's um I've heard from

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.919
<v Speaker 1>people who've grown up in Florida the whole ancidote about

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 1>how you can you can and absolutely should not, um

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>fee give a manateee fresh water from a hose. Yes,

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>actually that article I was talking about earlier by that

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the marine biologist Kenny He writes about that he said,

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>when given a choice of manatees and some pinnipeds, will

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 1>go to a freshwater source to drink it, and that

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.399
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people who live on salty waterways in Florida will

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>like put out a garden hose to watch the manatees

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>come over and drink from it because they like it

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>better than the salty or brackish water. And of course

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the danger there with with the West Indian manatee is

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.240
<v Speaker 1>that is that you do not want them associating food

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>or fresh water with humans because interaction between humans and manateees,

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:34.720
<v Speaker 1>particularly interactions between boats and manatees, this is the leading

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>cause of death for the species. Yeah. Now, now that's

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.879
<v Speaker 1>of course when they're in freshwater. Yeah, they can get

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the fresh water all around them. In salt water, however,

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 1>they seem to limit their direct salt intake and have

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 1>been observed to cease the consumption of sea grasses when

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.760
<v Speaker 1>their salt levels get too high. So the sea grasses

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I assume are saltier than some of the other things, yes, exactly. Yeah,

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that this grass is in the salty environment and is

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>alt here Now. One of the interesting strategies that Kenny

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 1>mentions is that he says some seals will actually eat

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 1>snow to get fresh water. Well, I grew up eating snow, don't.

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Didn't you have snow creams when you're a child? Wait?

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Hold on, what is a snow cream? How is that

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>different from a snow cone? A snow cream? Is you

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you were allowed to go out into the snow, You

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 1>get a bowl of snow, you bring it inside, and

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you put like sugar and milk on it and you

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>eat it. That Okay, I have not in you know

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>this is real. I would I would do it as

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 1>a child up in uh Up in Newfoundland, Canada. You

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 1>get that brown slush from under the tire and you

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>only go for the white stuff. You leave the brown

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and the yellow alone. Uh And And I have to

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 1>add I I do not know to what extent this

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 1>is still done. I have not introduced it to my

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>son yet, but I do have fond memories of doing

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>doing this as a child. Well, I did not expect

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 1>to learn that today. Well, now, you know, you learn

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>something new to do with milk and sugar every day.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And hey, and if you want to throw some salt

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in there. Then you have the curative properties of that

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>as well, you know, for your leprosy. Right well, I

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 1>think you actually need salt if you're gonna go ahead

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and make full on ice cream. Right well, that's true. Yeah,

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna go all the way, you're gonna need

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the salt. So there you go. Well, and then perhaps

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.720
<v Speaker 1>there are some snow cream experts out there practicing snow

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>cream eaters that can weigh in on this. Now, also

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a survival tactic among some seals and sea lions is

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>apparently too actually get some salty water in their system

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and just they just purge the heck out of it.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Like Kenny writes that measurements have found that among seals

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 1>and sea lions, their urine can be up to two

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>point five times as salty as seawater. Remember how we

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>talked about how our urine can't get as salty as seawater,

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>so we can't net purge salt, We're just gonna accumulate it.

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 1>But seals and sea lions apparently can. They can be

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>up to two point five times as salty as seawater,

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 1>meaning it's seven or eight times saltier than their blood

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and that is some salty urine. So, but they have

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the kidneys of a creature that has evolved to thrive

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 1>in a salt water habitat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They think

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.839
<v Speaker 1>that the kidneys have evolved to have these different types

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 1>of structures, these longer loops that allow for more purging

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.839
<v Speaker 1>of water out of the concentrated solution, that they will

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>eventually end up excreting in their urine. Curiously enough, apparently,

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>at least at the time Kenny was writing, he wrote

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that we don't yet fully understand how whales and dolphins

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>hydrate themselves, just because it's it's harder to study them

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>in the wild. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, the sea retains

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>so many of its mysteries, just as the ancient mariner

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 1>would have it. Yeah, I think I think that the

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>old man they know what the gray haired loon I

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>would agree with us there. So I know you're out

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>there thinking like, okay, onhand me, gray beard loon, it's

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>time for this episode to wrap up. Should we wrap up? Yeah,

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.280
<v Speaker 1>let's let's go ahead and wrap it up. Hopefully we provided,

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, a decent overview of of salt water. Why

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 1>we can't drink it? Uh, some of the arguments for

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>drinking it, and instructions on how to drink it if

0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>you absolutely have to. Uh. We do want to drive

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 1>home though, do not drink saltwater. Do not do not

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>leave this podcast thinking that you should try a couple

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of pints. Now, what should their opinion be on snow cream?

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I have I have not researched it recently.

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I probably should to see see if I should let

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>my my son eats snow the next time it snows

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta, Georgia. But yeah, I would. I would

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>love to hear from people who are a little more

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>up on the science of eating snow. Likewise, I'd love

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to hear from anyone who has uh who either has

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a story of not consuming enough salt or consuming way

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>too much of drinking seawater. I mean, it's we have

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>a number of listeners. I imagine some of you have

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>been in survival situations before. I'd love to hear what

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>it was like. And I know we've heard from some

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>listeners in the past who have actually lived and worked

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>on the high seas. So what what tales did you

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:51.200
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