WEBVTT - All She Could do was Scream and Run 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:06.120 and Mild from Aaron Manky. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.440 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:17.040 Usually I start the podcast with a scary story. I 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.239 guess this could be perceived by some as scary, but 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.000 I couldn't talk about this location without telling the story that, 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.680 in retrospect, taught me a lot about standing up for myself. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.840 So years ago, I was investigating this location in Atlanta, 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.640 Georgia with Ghost Hunters, the TV show many of you 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.280 were introduced to me on. Though I'd been active in 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.159 the paranormal for quite some time, I was still fairly 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.280 new to the ghost hunting on reality TV game, so 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.640 I tried to keep my head low and do what 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.120 I was asked to do without much fuss. This was 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:53.800 reality TV in its heyday, so crossovers happened, sometimes crossovers 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.160 that made little to no sense. And on this night 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.440 we were doing a crossover with the Real Housewives of Atlanta. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.480 Big wig producers were milling around as one by one, Nini, Kim, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.720 and Charat all rolled up in identical range rovers. Again, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.040 I expected to not be any part of this, save 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.480 for the big group introduction shot. The idea was they 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.520 would say hello, and then Jay and Grant, the two 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.880 lead investigators on the show, would take them inside to investigate. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.039 Then the ladies would be on their way and we 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.040 would carry on with our normal investigation. Except that's not 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.320 what happened. The ladies rolled up, we discussed what was happening, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.639 and as they were walking inside with Jay and Grant, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.920 Nini loudly said, where are the girls? The producers all 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.480 looked around, like, what is happening here? Again, Nini said, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.479 no offense, I don't want to investigate with the guys. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.480 I want to go in with the girls. So just 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.240 like that, me and the only other girl on the show, Chris, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.200 were hurriedly being wired up with microphones and rushed in 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.600 with the housewives while the dudes stayed outside. Truthfully, it 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.560 was really fun. Ladies were so kind, they were respectful, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.160 and they were truly inquisitive about what we do, and 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.320 believe it or not, there was zero drama. That was 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.640 also the day that I learned that in the world 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.480 of TV it was okay to speak up for myself. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.400 If I wasn't comfortable with what was being presented, I 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.040 had every right to say so, so I thank Nini 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.560 Leeks for that moment, even though I guarantee she has 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.520 no idea who I am. So that being said, that 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.600 was my first brush with this historic and beautiful location 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:34.400 in Atlanta, Rhodes Hall. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:41.600 haunted road. Peachtree Street in midtown Atlanta is famous for 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.280 the breathtaking historic homes that once lined it. You wouldn't 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.239 know it to look up and down the road today, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.320 with its gray skyscrapers and multiple lanes of traffic, But 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:56.919 a century ago the neighborhood was dotted with these incredible mansions. Sadly, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.760 many were later torn down in the early nighte teen hundreds. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.800 One house in particular stood out, one that still sits 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:09.079 on Peachtree Street today, tucked away between commercial buildings. According 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.560 to the roads Hall website's History and Tours, this manor 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.239 once was one of the most opulent of the large 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.720 mansions overlooking Atlanta's thoroughfares. It was celebrated in the press 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.480 and enviously praised by members of the city's wealthy elite. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.320 The same website argues the gray Stone House was intentionally 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.600 constructed to be as visibly striking as possible. It sits 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.320 on a curve in the road atop a slight incline, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.480 so it can loom over passers by. With its six 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.680 story tower, heavy stone columns, and battlement like railings around 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.840 the Porticos Roads Hall looks like a medieval fortress. In fact, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.640 it's been nicknamed the Castle of Peachtree. Designed in the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.280 Victorian Romanesque Revival style, it used to be surrounded by 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.360 over one hundred acres of undeveloped land. Now it looks 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.640 like a citadel out of time, a century old manor 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.840 surrounded by shopping centers and offices. It was constructed between 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.560 nineteen o two and nineteen o four for Amos Giles Roads, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.720 someone who, to all appearances, was uniquely dedicated to maintaining appearances. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.839 He earned a reputation as a self made man after 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.960 selling wooden picture frames door to door. Because many of 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.679 his clients couldn't afford to buy them up front, Amos 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.599 allowed his customers to pay in installment plans. According to 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.720 the American Home Furnishings Hall of Fame, he basically invented 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.640 the concept. Over time, he expanded his business portfolio into 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.479 such diverse fields as wooden furniture, construction companies in real estate, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.640 and he became a millionaire in the process. Amos and 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.919 his wife Amanda spent fifty thousand dollars on their new home, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.240 the equivalent of about one point six million dollars today 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.840 adjusted for inflation. The roads Hall website suggests they may 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.800 have been inspired by the German structures they saw during 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.279 their European honeymoon. It was designed by an architect named 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.839 Willis Franklin Denny, who tragically die of pneumonia just a 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.240 year after the mansion was completed. He was only thirty one. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.279 The ostentatious, eye catching manner was a massive success, so 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.360 much so the roads is privately referred to it as 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.200 lerev that translates to the dream per the roads Hall 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.960 History in Taurus web page. In addition to their opulent home, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:27.200 the Rhodes family gave lavishly to charity. Amos made donations 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.240 to everything from churches to residences for the elderly and 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.000 the chronically ill. Perhaps this largeesss is what inspired a 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.159 local newspaper from his time to say mister Rhodes was 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.120 of an extremely modest and retiring nature, hating all pretense 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.400 or show, and always avoiding publicity. But it's hard to 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.160 take this statement at face value. If Rhodes Hall is 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.120 anything to go by. As stunning as its exterior is, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.559 the impressive flourishes are fewer and further between in parts 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.640 of the house the public doesn't see like. Amos was 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.440 especially cognizant of appearances when he designed it. On the 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.080 roads Memorial Hall page on the History Atlanta website, Connor 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.000 Lee writes that Roads cut every corner he could to 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.920 save money without sacrificing the look. You can see his 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.279 cost cutting decisions while on tour of the mansion, but 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.159 don't take that to me. In the interior of Roads 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.360 Hall is anything less than impressive. It was fully wired 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.560 with electricity when it was built, cutting edge technology at 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.640 the time. The mansion boasts three hundred light bulbs, as 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.240 well as gas lighting fixtures as a backup in case 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.320 of an electrical outage. It features a grand mahogany staircase 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.240 and oak parquet flooring, a term for wood tiles arranged 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.799 in geometric patterns. On the contrary, when Lee described Amos's 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.000 cost cutting tendencies, he gave the example of the sturdy 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.520 stone columns that ring the house. The front columns which 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.360 are visible from the street, feature elaborate engravings, but the 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.680 back ones, which only the roads in their house guests 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.240 would see, were much simpler. Likewise, the upper stories where 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.200 the private bedroom were looked a lot plainer than the 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:08.120 elaborate ground floor. Amos was devoted to the Confederacy, an 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.760 odd affection given that he was a young child for 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.120 the duration of the Civil War. That said, his adulthood 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.960 hometown of Atlanta has been dubbed the heart of the 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.960 Old Confederacy, according to the City of Atlanta's history web page. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.160 His beliefs were all too clearly depicted in the painted 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.920 glass murals he had commissioned and hung over his mansion stairwell. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.480 They depict Confederate generals and infamous KKK Grand Wizard Nathan 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.880 Bedford Forest. There are scenes of enslaved people working in 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.200 a cotton field, Jefferson Davis's inauguration as the President of 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.960 the Confederate States of America, and key Civil War clashes. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.600 In one case, according to the Atlanta Journal, Amos ordered 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.200 a rendition of the Battle of bull Run, but when 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.720 he received a concept sketch, he rejected it. He wanted 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.680 the art to show the Union soldiers looking more frightened 0:07:55.720 --> 0:08:00.320 and cowardly. Ultimately, the finished artwork showed Northern soldiers turning 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:05.680 tail and running from the battlefield ideological leanings. Aside, Amos 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.920 and Amanda were doting parents. They had a son and 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.440 a daughter, the latter of whom was married at Rhoades 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.680 Hall in nineteen oh five. In turn, her daughter would 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.200 have a wedding in the grand mansion too. Amos and 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.480 Amanda lived to be seventy seven and seventy nine years old, respectively, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.800 and they died over back to back summers. Both passed 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.360 away in the manor, and their funerals were held in 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.200 the house too. After his death, Amos's children gifted Rhades 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.160 Hall to the State of Georgia, specifying that from that 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:38.240 point forward it should be used for so called historic purposes. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.559 According to the Roads Hall website, it spent about five 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.959 decades as Georgia State Archives building before it was renovated 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.760 and restored beginning in nineteen eighty three. Today it's a 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.400 popular wedding venue, and while it's not currently offering tours 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.080 to the public, it has in the past. In addition 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.840 to spending time as a haunted house attraction, even after 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.720 all these changes, Many claim that Amos Rhodes's spirit still 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.680 dwells in his old home, and, if reports are to 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.319 be believed, he doesn't appreciate modern day visitors peeling back 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.720 the facade to see what lies in the hidden heart 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.320 of his private residence. Plenty of people have reported sightings 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.960 of Amos and his wife Amanda, including tour guides, their customers, 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.360 and employees at the Georgia Trust for Historic Preservation, which 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.320 uses the house's upper floors as a headquarters. The Atlanta 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.160 Georgia website notes that during these encounters, people often perceive 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.200 an angry, aggressive presence. On one occasion, a bouquet of 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.800 dead flowers was discovered on a woman's desk in the 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.520 third floor offices. No one knows who left it or why, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.640 the same web page says. Another time, a tour guide 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 was at Rhodes Hall alone, wrapping up her work late 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.160 after her coworkers had gone home. She was startled to 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.959 hear heavy footsteps approaching from a back stairwell, accompanied by 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.280 the semi rhythmic tapping of a cane. As a noise 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.240 grew closer, the guide heard a male's voice muttering, get out, 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:04.280 get out, get out. The tour guide called her coworkers' 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.280 names on the off chance that one of them was 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.560 playing a cruel joke, but no one answered. Finally, the 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.520 guide spotted who was making the noise when a figure 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.959 appeared near a shadowy wall. Finally the guide spotted who 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.080 was making the noise when a figure appeared near a 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.880 shadowy wall. It was an old man with wild, unkept hair. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.199 He was still repeating, get out, get out. Each repetition 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.040 grew louder, until finally he was screaming at the woman. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.520 She heeded his command and took off. She never came 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.200 back to work, quitting over the phone the next day. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.720 Amos's wife has been involved in some equally terrifying encounters. Again. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.199 This story comes from the Atlantic Ghost's website. Two sisters 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.520 were on a tour of Roads Hall together. One of 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.920 the siblings found a painting of Amanda Roads fascinating. She 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.040 stared at it for so long the rest of the 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.040 tour moved on without her, and soon she was alone 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.080 in the room. She'd already been feeling nervous when she 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.120 was with the group, and once she realized no one 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.600 else was around, the woman wanted to hurry to catch 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.400 up with the tour, but before she could hustle out, 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.199 the lights began flickering and every piece of furniture started shaking. 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.319 It was almost like an earthquake was rocking the house, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.160 But when the woman glanced at the mirror, she realized 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.960 this was no natural disaster. Instead of seeing her own reflection, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.560 the woman saw the elderly Amanda Road staring back at her. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.520 All she could do was scream and run out of 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:33.520 the room. In addition to these sightings of Amos and Amanda, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.600 people have seen a blonde girl with curled hair and 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.840 a white dress. She tends to appear on the staircase 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.560 and in the second floor fourier, which is also a 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 popular spot for a woman in a white gown. It's 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.040 unclear who the woman and the girl are, although some 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.120 have speculated the latter maybe one of Amos's grandchildren. Another 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.800 anonymous shadowy figure has been spotted in the basement. The 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.640 downstairs rooms also sometimes shake, and televisions have been known 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.120 to cha channels on their own. Throughout the house, lights 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.360 tend to flicker, doors open and close by themselves, and 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.480 people hear voices or feel hands touching them when no 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.320 one is nearby, the door to the attic can only 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.800 lock from the inside, at least in theory, it's been 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.080 known to lock itself even when no one is in 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.880 the attic. Over the course of my research, I came 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.040 across a theory that we've discussed before on the podcast 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.920 about what's behind all these phenomena. Some suggest that the 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.120 supernatural instances that the manner had nothing to do with 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:36.760 Amos Roads. Instead, they were what we sometimes call manufactured hauntings, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.120 because from nineteen eighty four to nineteen ninety two, Roads 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:43.720 Hall operated as a haunted house. Could the energy from 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.280 those years as a haunted attraction be adding to the 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:51.160 paranormal phenomena being reported there today? Perhaps, but it's hard 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.920 to reconcile the accounts of ghostly encounters with this period. 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.240 The Atlanta Constitution described the attractions themed events, and they 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.360 had names like the Space Crypt of Nosferatu and Deadly 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.600 Gardens of Ishtar. They had over the top sci fi 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.760 themes and featured aliens, reptile monsters, and a five foot 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.880 tall spider puppet. None of that imagery seems at all 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:18.320 similar to the hauntings today, but who knows. Rhoades Hall 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.640 has from the beginning had two personalities, the mansion is 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.120 seen from the outside and the true home that's hidden 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.600 behind the facade. To understand the reality of the Manner's 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.880 ghostly inhabitants will have to dig deeper. That brings me 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:36.440 to my guest, paranormal enthusiast Shane Garner. Shane actually lived 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.280 in Rhodes Hall for years. I'd venture to say there's 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.240 no one more familiar with its hauntings, so we'll be 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:54.400 picking his brain right after the break. All right, So 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.760 I am joined by my guest, mister Shane Garner, who 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.559 is very active in the paranormal community in the Georgia area. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.680 We have a lot of mutual friends and actually lived 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.040 in Rhodes Hall for a time. So welcome to the program, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:09.800 mister Garner. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.720 Thanks Amie, Happy ot Kob, thank you. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.800 I was looking for someone to talk to about RHADS 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.240 and I actually reached out to Chip because I know 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 Chips from the area and that he's been there. And 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.760 he immediately was like, you need to tax Shane Garner. 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.240 So he's like, okay, so so just tell me how 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.640 did you end up living in Rhodes Hall. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.560 Oh, it's so crazy and what a place to live. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.160 In the late eighties, I attended the Haunted Castle at 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.240 Rhodes Hall. It was like the premiere Haunted House attraction 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:47.840 in Atlanta. Going through there, I was so impressed with 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.760 the aesthetics, but I kept looking past the installations and 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.880 were just really fascinated by the architecture. I didn't even 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.200 know that, you know, Atlanta had a castle because I 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.800 lived outside of the perimeter. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.760 It didn't get into town too much. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.160 But I went through the castle as you know, as 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:14.600 a as a guest, and I after the after it 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.440 was over, I asked one of the management people how 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.840 I could volunteer for the next year because it was 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:26.240 actually a fundraiser to help restore the castle. And I 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.040 ended up returning the next day, not the next year, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.200 as an actor, and that began my four year tenure 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.160 as an actor and stage manager for the Castle. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.800 That's amazing. So you are so you work there even too, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.280 so you're like very involved in kind of the castle itself, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.440 which I like you had a friendship with it, you 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:45.880 could say. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.640 And in nineteen ninety eight, I was looking for a 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.520 place to live. First time I was going to live 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.360 by myself without a roommate, and I remembered when I 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.360 went into the castle, they told me that, you know, 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.440 someone lived in an apartment in the basement. And I 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.800 was really fatascinated and kind of curious, and I called 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.480 the docent and I told her who I was and 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.600 said I was interested in their apartment. And she told me, 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.960 she said, well, Shane, it's rented, but let's talk. So 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.200 I actually went by Godiva Chocolates and made a basket 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.920 and had it on her desk and I came in 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.040 and she says, Shane, Honey, I don't know what it 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.080 is that you want. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.240 But it's yours. So eighty two months actually I moved 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.280 in as a tenant. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.080 That's what I mean, Chocolate. That's the way that anyone's hurt. Really, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.600 I think you were probably meant to be there. How 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.600 long did you end up living there total? 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.520 I lived there for four and a half years, I 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.440 think nineteen ninety seven, and I moved out in two 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.040 thousand and one because they were going to put an 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.360 elevator through my living space. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.840 Yeah, that doesn't work right, It's not going to work 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.720 for you. Okay. So now, when you ventured into rhodesal like, 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.560 clearly you were kind of drawn to it. But did 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.560 you think there was any paranormal aspect to it at 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.400 that time? Did you think that it was haunted. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:09.639 I thought it was beautiful. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.240 Didn't really think of anything as far as hauntings. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.840 You always kind of wonder. I'm really skeptical. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.600 I'm not one of the ones who says, oh, you know, 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.159 I hear I hear a sound, it must be a ghost. 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.720 You know. It really has to take something to happen 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.200 to convince me. I moved. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.040 When I moved in, it was in the summer, and 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.840 next door to it. Since I do a lot of 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.399 prop work, I thought it was great because there was 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.879 this huge empty parking lot. And after moving two weeks 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.320 after moving in, I found out that empty parking a 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:50.240 lot was actually going to give way to a new 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.160 construction for Equifax. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.199 So they warned me. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.399 They said they're going to have to be doing some blasting, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.960 and they told me that it had to wait until 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.600 after three o'clock in the morning because of the Marta trains. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.720 So I was prepared. You know, I'm there in the 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.879 bag going, Okay, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.240 Nothing happened at about four o'clock in the morning. It 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.280 felt like the hand of God touched the castle. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.159 The whole thing just just shook. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.840 And kind of wondering if they started doing blasting every 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.280 morning at four am, and I'm wondering if that kind 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.000 of woke up some things in the castle. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.200 Yeah, that's interesting to think because I know, like one 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.800 of the reports there is that things shake or things move, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.800 So I wonder if that has something Not that the 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.399 actual blasting caused that, but like if that's kind of 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.679 a byproduct of that happening right next door, right. 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.720 Right, and that would happen at other times, and that 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.080 you know, it's a completely solid granite building, you know, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.880 built from stone mountain grantite, and it takes a lot 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:55.840 for that thing to move. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:57.760 Okay, so that happened, you kind of felt like it 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.280 woke something up. Like what was your first moment where 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.640 you thought, okay, this place is potentially. 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.120 Yeah, first moment I'm downstairs, Well of course that's where 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:11.560 I was living. But my TV started going up and 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.199 down with the volume, like okay, there's something wrong with 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.119 the remote. So I went changed, changed the batteries and 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.439 still kept going up and down with volume. Just like 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.919 I was using the remote, and then the channel started 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.400 changing by themselves, and I keep switching it back to 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.440 a certain channel. You know, we didn't have we didn't 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.600 have hundreds of channels back then, but it kept switching 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.920 back and forth. And I had a big wrought iron 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:45.080 standelier that hung in my living space and it was 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:50.520 probably a fourteen or sixteen light chandelier. The lights one 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.720 night started flickering, I would say, probably half of them, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.439 and of course I made sure that, you know, the 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.960 bulbs were in their tie. 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:01.920 They were there's. 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.199 Nothing wrong with the wiring because it had been up 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.120 for a couple of months at this time. And uh, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.199 it continued to flicker whenever I would turn it on, 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.800 probably for a couple of months actually. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.920 And so you were like, okay, this is this is unusual. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.320 So between we have the TV, we have the chandelier, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.679 and now did you ever have guests over anything who 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.520 noticed anything unusual going on? 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.639 I did a couple. 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.720 One was a friend of mine from Florida had come 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:35.879 up during the wintertime, I believe it was January. And 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.240 of course, living in you know, one of the most 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:43.120 famous residents in the city. You know, I had access 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.080 to the entire castle, so I would give my own 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.600 little tours. So we went upstairs to the main floor 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:55.000 and we're looking around. It was cool, the weather was cooperating, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.480 kind of set the mood, and we were walking around 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:02.000 and this is the first time I actually had salt anything. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.720 But you know, the main floor you've been there is, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.960 you know, a pretty good sized floor. So we're walking 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:12.960 around individually, and then we actually noticed each other walking 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:19.320 into the main parlor and toward the large staircase, pretty 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.360 grand staircase. 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:21.680 It had a. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.760 Door at the base of it where they would use, 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.240 I guess for storage, and it's probably like four to 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.600 five feet tall. It's kind of creepy, just you know, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.000 the skill of the thing. But we both started walking 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.920 toward it, and he said, there's a little girl in there, 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.800 and I said yeah, and she's wearing black patent and 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:51.000 he goes leather shoes and then he says, with white. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.359 I said, stockings with frills at the top. So we 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.600 started describing the It was almost like a TV script. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.800 We started describing this little girl from the from the 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.280 base up to her head, back and forth. So she 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.880 was wearing a blue and white dress. And I would 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.960 say it went three quarters of the length down to 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:13.439 the knee. 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:20.159 It was blue, like a baby blue with white lace. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.639 And then actually you started describing her hair, and it 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.120 was blonde hair. And it's not a ponytail. What is 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.680 is it pigtails? Where you have one? 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.000 Oh? Yeah, she had pigtails and they were in little ringlets. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.200 And we kind of backed away a little bit and 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.520 proceeded to go upstairs. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.600 Okay, so to be clear, you guys actually saw this girl. 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.080 You both like had this impression of this girl. 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:52.920 It's weird. It's almost like a combination of visualization and 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:55.119 being in your head at the same time, kind of 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:56.560 like almost like a dream. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.040 State, right like you just knew she was there. 0:22:59.600 --> 0:22:59.840