1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Usually I start the podcast with a scary story. I 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: guess this could be perceived by some as scary, but 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't talk about this location without telling the story that, 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: in retrospect, taught me a lot about standing up for myself. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: So years ago, I was investigating this location in Atlanta, 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Georgia with Ghost Hunters, the TV show many of you 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: were introduced to me on. Though I'd been active in 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: the paranormal for quite some time, I was still fairly 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: new to the ghost hunting on reality TV game, so 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I tried to keep my head low and do what 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: I was asked to do without much fuss. This was 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: reality TV in its heyday, so crossovers happened, sometimes crossovers 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: that made little to no sense. And on this night 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: we were doing a crossover with the Real Housewives of Atlanta. 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: Big wig producers were milling around as one by one, Nini, Kim, 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: and Charat all rolled up in identical range rovers. Again, 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I expected to not be any part of this, save 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: for the big group introduction shot. The idea was they 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: would say hello, and then Jay and Grant, the two 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: lead investigators on the show, would take them inside to investigate. 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: Then the ladies would be on their way and we 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: would carry on with our normal investigation. Except that's not 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: what happened. The ladies rolled up, we discussed what was happening, 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 1: and as they were walking inside with Jay and Grant, 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Nini loudly said, where are the girls? The producers all 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: looked around, like, what is happening here? Again, Nini said, 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: no offense, I don't want to investigate with the guys. 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I want to go in with the girls. So just 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: like that, me and the only other girl on the show, Chris, 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: were hurriedly being wired up with microphones and rushed in 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: with the housewives while the dudes stayed outside. Truthfully, it 35 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: was really fun. Ladies were so kind, they were respectful, 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: and they were truly inquisitive about what we do, and 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: believe it or not, there was zero drama. That was 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: also the day that I learned that in the world 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: of TV it was okay to speak up for myself. 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: If I wasn't comfortable with what was being presented, I 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: had every right to say so, so I thank Nini 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: Leeks for that moment, even though I guarantee she has 43 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: no idea who I am. So that being said, that 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: was my first brush with this historic and beautiful location 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Rhodes Hall. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: haunted road. Peachtree Street in midtown Atlanta is famous for 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: the breathtaking historic homes that once lined it. You wouldn't 48 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: know it to look up and down the road today, 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: with its gray skyscrapers and multiple lanes of traffic, But 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: a century ago the neighborhood was dotted with these incredible mansions. Sadly, 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: many were later torn down in the early nighte teen hundreds. 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: One house in particular stood out, one that still sits 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: on Peachtree Street today, tucked away between commercial buildings. According 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: to the roads Hall website's History and Tours, this manor 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: once was one of the most opulent of the large 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: mansions overlooking Atlanta's thoroughfares. It was celebrated in the press 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: and enviously praised by members of the city's wealthy elite. 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: The same website argues the gray Stone House was intentionally 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: constructed to be as visibly striking as possible. It sits 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: on a curve in the road atop a slight incline, 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: so it can loom over passers by. With its six 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: story tower, heavy stone columns, and battlement like railings around 63 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: the Porticos Roads Hall looks like a medieval fortress. In fact, 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: it's been nicknamed the Castle of Peachtree. Designed in the 65 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: Victorian Romanesque Revival style, it used to be surrounded by 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: over one hundred acres of undeveloped land. Now it looks 67 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: like a citadel out of time, a century old manor 68 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: surrounded by shopping centers and offices. It was constructed between 69 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: nineteen o two and nineteen o four for Amos Giles Roads, 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: someone who, to all appearances, was uniquely dedicated to maintaining appearances. 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: He earned a reputation as a self made man after 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: selling wooden picture frames door to door. Because many of 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: his clients couldn't afford to buy them up front, Amos 74 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: allowed his customers to pay in installment plans. According to 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: the American Home Furnishings Hall of Fame, he basically invented 76 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: the concept. Over time, he expanded his business portfolio into 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: such diverse fields as wooden furniture, construction companies in real estate, 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: and he became a millionaire in the process. Amos and 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: his wife Amanda spent fifty thousand dollars on their new home, 80 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: the equivalent of about one point six million dollars today 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation. The roads Hall website suggests they may 82 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: have been inspired by the German structures they saw during 83 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: their European honeymoon. It was designed by an architect named 84 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Willis Franklin Denny, who tragically die of pneumonia just a 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: year after the mansion was completed. He was only thirty one. 86 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: The ostentatious, eye catching manner was a massive success, so 87 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: much so the roads is privately referred to it as 88 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: lerev that translates to the dream per the roads Hall 89 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: History in Taurus web page. In addition to their opulent home, 90 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: the Rhodes family gave lavishly to charity. Amos made donations 91 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: to everything from churches to residences for the elderly and 92 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: the chronically ill. Perhaps this largeesss is what inspired a 93 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: local newspaper from his time to say mister Rhodes was 94 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: of an extremely modest and retiring nature, hating all pretense 95 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: or show, and always avoiding publicity. But it's hard to 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: take this statement at face value. If Rhodes Hall is 97 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: anything to go by. As stunning as its exterior is, 98 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 1: the impressive flourishes are fewer and further between in parts 99 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: of the house the public doesn't see like. Amos was 100 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: especially cognizant of appearances when he designed it. On the 101 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: roads Memorial Hall page on the History Atlanta website, Connor 102 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Lee writes that Roads cut every corner he could to 103 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: save money without sacrificing the look. You can see his 104 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: cost cutting decisions while on tour of the mansion, but 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: don't take that to me. In the interior of Roads 106 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: Hall is anything less than impressive. It was fully wired 107 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: with electricity when it was built, cutting edge technology at 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: the time. The mansion boasts three hundred light bulbs, as 109 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: well as gas lighting fixtures as a backup in case 110 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: of an electrical outage. It features a grand mahogany staircase 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: and oak parquet flooring, a term for wood tiles arranged 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: in geometric patterns. On the contrary, when Lee described Amos's 113 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: cost cutting tendencies, he gave the example of the sturdy 114 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: stone columns that ring the house. The front columns which 115 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: are visible from the street, feature elaborate engravings, but the 116 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: back ones, which only the roads in their house guests 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: would see, were much simpler. Likewise, the upper stories where 118 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: the private bedroom were looked a lot plainer than the 119 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: elaborate ground floor. Amos was devoted to the Confederacy, an 120 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: odd affection given that he was a young child for 121 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the duration of the Civil War. That said, his adulthood 122 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: hometown of Atlanta has been dubbed the heart of the 123 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: Old Confederacy, according to the City of Atlanta's history web page. 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: His beliefs were all too clearly depicted in the painted 125 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: glass murals he had commissioned and hung over his mansion stairwell. 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: They depict Confederate generals and infamous KKK Grand Wizard Nathan 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Bedford Forest. There are scenes of enslaved people working in 128 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: a cotton field, Jefferson Davis's inauguration as the President of 129 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: the Confederate States of America, and key Civil War clashes. 130 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: In one case, according to the Atlanta Journal, Amos ordered 131 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: a rendition of the Battle of bull Run, but when 132 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: he received a concept sketch, he rejected it. He wanted 133 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: the art to show the Union soldiers looking more frightened 134 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: and cowardly. Ultimately, the finished artwork showed Northern soldiers turning 135 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: tail and running from the battlefield ideological leanings. Aside, Amos 136 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: and Amanda were doting parents. They had a son and 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: a daughter, the latter of whom was married at Rhoades 138 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Hall in nineteen oh five. In turn, her daughter would 139 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: have a wedding in the grand mansion too. Amos and 140 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: Amanda lived to be seventy seven and seventy nine years old, respectively, 141 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: and they died over back to back summers. Both passed 142 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: away in the manor, and their funerals were held in 143 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: the house too. After his death, Amos's children gifted Rhades 144 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Hall to the State of Georgia, specifying that from that 145 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: point forward it should be used for so called historic purposes. 146 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: According to the Roads Hall website, it spent about five 147 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: decades as Georgia State Archives building before it was renovated 148 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: and restored beginning in nineteen eighty three. Today it's a 149 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: popular wedding venue, and while it's not currently offering tours 150 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: to the public, it has in the past. In addition 151 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: to spending time as a haunted house attraction, even after 152 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: all these changes, Many claim that Amos Rhodes's spirit still 153 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: dwells in his old home, and, if reports are to 154 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: be believed, he doesn't appreciate modern day visitors peeling back 155 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: the facade to see what lies in the hidden heart 156 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: of his private residence. Plenty of people have reported sightings 157 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: of Amos and his wife Amanda, including tour guides, their customers, 158 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and employees at the Georgia Trust for Historic Preservation, which 159 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: uses the house's upper floors as a headquarters. The Atlanta 160 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: Georgia website notes that during these encounters, people often perceive 161 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: an angry, aggressive presence. On one occasion, a bouquet of 162 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: dead flowers was discovered on a woman's desk in the 163 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: third floor offices. No one knows who left it or why, 164 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: the same web page says. Another time, a tour guide 165 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: was at Rhodes Hall alone, wrapping up her work late 166 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: after her coworkers had gone home. She was startled to 167 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: hear heavy footsteps approaching from a back stairwell, accompanied by 168 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: the semi rhythmic tapping of a cane. As a noise 169 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: grew closer, the guide heard a male's voice muttering, get out, 170 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: get out, get out. The tour guide called her coworkers' 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: names on the off chance that one of them was 172 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: playing a cruel joke, but no one answered. Finally, the 173 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: guide spotted who was making the noise when a figure 174 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: appeared near a shadowy wall. Finally the guide spotted who 175 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: was making the noise when a figure appeared near a 176 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: shadowy wall. It was an old man with wild, unkept hair. 177 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: He was still repeating, get out, get out. Each repetition 178 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: grew louder, until finally he was screaming at the woman. 179 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: She heeded his command and took off. She never came 180 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: back to work, quitting over the phone the next day. 181 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: Amos's wife has been involved in some equally terrifying encounters. Again. 182 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: This story comes from the Atlantic Ghost's website. Two sisters 183 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: were on a tour of Roads Hall together. One of 184 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the siblings found a painting of Amanda Roads fascinating. She 185 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: stared at it for so long the rest of the 186 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: tour moved on without her, and soon she was alone 187 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: in the room. She'd already been feeling nervous when she 188 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: was with the group, and once she realized no one 189 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: else was around, the woman wanted to hurry to catch 190 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: up with the tour, but before she could hustle out, 191 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: the lights began flickering and every piece of furniture started shaking. 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: It was almost like an earthquake was rocking the house, 193 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: But when the woman glanced at the mirror, she realized 194 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: this was no natural disaster. Instead of seeing her own reflection, 195 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: the woman saw the elderly Amanda Road staring back at her. 196 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: All she could do was scream and run out of 197 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the room. In addition to these sightings of Amos and Amanda, 198 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: people have seen a blonde girl with curled hair and 199 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: a white dress. She tends to appear on the staircase 200 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: and in the second floor fourier, which is also a 201 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: popular spot for a woman in a white gown. It's 202 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: unclear who the woman and the girl are, although some 203 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: have speculated the latter maybe one of Amos's grandchildren. Another 204 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: anonymous shadowy figure has been spotted in the basement. The 205 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: downstairs rooms also sometimes shake, and televisions have been known 206 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: to cha channels on their own. Throughout the house, lights 207 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: tend to flicker, doors open and close by themselves, and 208 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: people hear voices or feel hands touching them when no 209 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: one is nearby, the door to the attic can only 210 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: lock from the inside, at least in theory, it's been 211 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: known to lock itself even when no one is in 212 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: the attic. Over the course of my research, I came 213 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: across a theory that we've discussed before on the podcast 214 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: about what's behind all these phenomena. Some suggest that the 215 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: supernatural instances that the manner had nothing to do with 216 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: Amos Roads. Instead, they were what we sometimes call manufactured hauntings, 217 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: because from nineteen eighty four to nineteen ninety two, Roads 218 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: Hall operated as a haunted house. Could the energy from 219 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: those years as a haunted attraction be adding to the 220 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: paranormal phenomena being reported there today? Perhaps, but it's hard 221 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: to reconcile the accounts of ghostly encounters with this period. 222 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: The Atlanta Constitution described the attractions themed events, and they 223 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: had names like the Space Crypt of Nosferatu and Deadly 224 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Gardens of Ishtar. They had over the top sci fi 225 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: themes and featured aliens, reptile monsters, and a five foot 226 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: tall spider puppet. None of that imagery seems at all 227 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: similar to the hauntings today, but who knows. Rhoades Hall 228 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: has from the beginning had two personalities, the mansion is 229 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: seen from the outside and the true home that's hidden 230 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: behind the facade. To understand the reality of the Manner's 231 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: ghostly inhabitants will have to dig deeper. That brings me 232 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: to my guest, paranormal enthusiast Shane Garner. Shane actually lived 233 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: in Rhodes Hall for years. I'd venture to say there's 234 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: no one more familiar with its hauntings, so we'll be 235 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: picking his brain right after the break. All right, So 236 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: I am joined by my guest, mister Shane Garner, who 237 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: is very active in the paranormal community in the Georgia area. 238 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: We have a lot of mutual friends and actually lived 239 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: in Rhodes Hall for a time. So welcome to the program, 240 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: mister Garner. 241 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Thanks Amie, Happy ot Kob, thank you. 242 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: I was looking for someone to talk to about RHADS 243 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and I actually reached out to Chip because I know 244 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: Chips from the area and that he's been there. And 245 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: he immediately was like, you need to tax Shane Garner. 246 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: So he's like, okay, so so just tell me how 247 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: did you end up living in Rhodes Hall. 248 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so crazy and what a place to live. 249 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: In the late eighties, I attended the Haunted Castle at 250 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: Rhodes Hall. It was like the premiere Haunted House attraction 251 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: in Atlanta. Going through there, I was so impressed with 252 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: the aesthetics, but I kept looking past the installations and 253 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: were just really fascinated by the architecture. I didn't even 254 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: know that, you know, Atlanta had a castle because I 255 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: lived outside of the perimeter. 256 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: It didn't get into town too much. 257 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: But I went through the castle as you know, as 258 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: a as a guest, and I after the after it 259 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: was over, I asked one of the management people how 260 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: I could volunteer for the next year because it was 261 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: actually a fundraiser to help restore the castle. And I 262 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: ended up returning the next day, not the next year, 263 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: as an actor, and that began my four year tenure 264 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: as an actor and stage manager for the Castle. 265 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: That's amazing. So you are so you work there even too, 266 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: so you're like very involved in kind of the castle itself, 267 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: which I like you had a friendship with it, you 268 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: could say. 269 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: And in nineteen ninety eight, I was looking for a 270 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: place to live. First time I was going to live 271 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: by myself without a roommate, and I remembered when I 272 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: went into the castle, they told me that, you know, 273 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: someone lived in an apartment in the basement. And I 274 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: was really fatascinated and kind of curious, and I called 275 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: the docent and I told her who I was and 276 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: said I was interested in their apartment. And she told me, 277 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: she said, well, Shane, it's rented, but let's talk. So 278 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: I actually went by Godiva Chocolates and made a basket 279 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: and had it on her desk and I came in 280 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: and she says, Shane, Honey, I don't know what it 281 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: is that you want. 282 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: But it's yours. So eighty two months actually I moved 283 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: in as a tenant. 284 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: That's what I mean, Chocolate. That's the way that anyone's hurt. Really, 285 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: I think you were probably meant to be there. How 286 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: long did you end up living there total? 287 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: I lived there for four and a half years, I 288 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: think nineteen ninety seven, and I moved out in two 289 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: thousand and one because they were going to put an 290 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: elevator through my living space. 291 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't work right, It's not going to work 292 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: for you. Okay. So now, when you ventured into rhodesal like, 293 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: clearly you were kind of drawn to it. But did 294 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: you think there was any paranormal aspect to it at 295 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: that time? Did you think that it was haunted. 296 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: I thought it was beautiful. 297 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: Didn't really think of anything as far as hauntings. 298 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: You always kind of wonder. I'm really skeptical. 299 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: I'm not one of the ones who says, oh, you know, 300 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: I hear I hear a sound, it must be a ghost. 301 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: You know. It really has to take something to happen 302 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: to convince me. I moved. 303 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: When I moved in, it was in the summer, and 304 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: next door to it. Since I do a lot of 305 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: prop work, I thought it was great because there was 306 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: this huge empty parking lot. And after moving two weeks 307 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: after moving in, I found out that empty parking a 308 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: lot was actually going to give way to a new 309 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: construction for Equifax. 310 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: So they warned me. 311 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: They said they're going to have to be doing some blasting, 312 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: and they told me that it had to wait until 313 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: after three o'clock in the morning because of the Marta trains. 314 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: So I was prepared. You know, I'm there in the 315 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: bag going, Okay, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. 316 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: Nothing happened at about four o'clock in the morning. It 317 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: felt like the hand of God touched the castle. 318 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: The whole thing just just shook. 319 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: And kind of wondering if they started doing blasting every 320 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: morning at four am, and I'm wondering if that kind 321 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: of woke up some things in the castle. 322 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting to think because I know, like one 323 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: of the reports there is that things shake or things move, 324 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: So I wonder if that has something Not that the 325 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: actual blasting caused that, but like if that's kind of 326 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: a byproduct of that happening right next door, right. 327 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: Right, and that would happen at other times, and that 328 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's a completely solid granite building, you know, 329 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: built from stone mountain grantite, and it takes a lot 330 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: for that thing to move. 331 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so that happened, you kind of felt like it 332 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: woke something up. Like what was your first moment where 333 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: you thought, okay, this place is potentially. 334 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, first moment I'm downstairs, Well of course that's where 335 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: I was living. But my TV started going up and 336 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: down with the volume, like okay, there's something wrong with 337 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: the remote. So I went changed, changed the batteries and 338 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: still kept going up and down with volume. Just like 339 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: I was using the remote, and then the channel started 340 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: changing by themselves, and I keep switching it back to 341 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: a certain channel. You know, we didn't have we didn't 342 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: have hundreds of channels back then, but it kept switching 343 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: back and forth. And I had a big wrought iron 344 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: standelier that hung in my living space and it was 345 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: probably a fourteen or sixteen light chandelier. The lights one 346 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: night started flickering, I would say, probably half of them, 347 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: and of course I made sure that, you know, the 348 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: bulbs were in their tie. 349 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: They were there's. 350 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with the wiring because it had been up 351 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: for a couple of months at this time. And uh, 352 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: it continued to flicker whenever I would turn it on, 353 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: probably for a couple of months actually. 354 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: And so you were like, okay, this is this is unusual. 355 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: So between we have the TV, we have the chandelier, 356 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: and now did you ever have guests over anything who 357 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: noticed anything unusual going on? 358 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: I did a couple. 359 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: One was a friend of mine from Florida had come 360 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: up during the wintertime, I believe it was January. And 361 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: of course, living in you know, one of the most 362 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 3: famous residents in the city. You know, I had access 363 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: to the entire castle, so I would give my own 364 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: little tours. So we went upstairs to the main floor 365 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: and we're looking around. It was cool, the weather was cooperating, 366 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: kind of set the mood, and we were walking around 367 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: and this is the first time I actually had salt anything. 368 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: But you know, the main floor you've been there is, 369 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: you know, a pretty good sized floor. So we're walking 370 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: around individually, and then we actually noticed each other walking 371 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: into the main parlor and toward the large staircase, pretty 372 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: grand staircase. 373 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: It had a. 374 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Door at the base of it where they would use, 375 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: I guess for storage, and it's probably like four to 376 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: five feet tall. It's kind of creepy, just you know, 377 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: the skill of the thing. But we both started walking 378 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: toward it, and he said, there's a little girl in there, 379 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: and I said yeah, and she's wearing black patent and 380 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: he goes leather shoes and then he says, with white. 381 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: I said, stockings with frills at the top. So we 382 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: started describing the It was almost like a TV script. 383 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: We started describing this little girl from the from the 384 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: base up to her head, back and forth. So she 385 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: was wearing a blue and white dress. And I would 386 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: say it went three quarters of the length down to 387 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 3: the knee. 388 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: It was blue, like a baby blue with white lace. 389 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 3: And then actually you started describing her hair, and it 390 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: was blonde hair. And it's not a ponytail. What is 391 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: is it pigtails? Where you have one? 392 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, she had pigtails and they were in little ringlets. 393 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: And we kind of backed away a little bit and 394 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: proceeded to go upstairs. 395 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so to be clear, you guys actually saw this girl. 396 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: You both like had this impression of this girl. 397 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: It's weird. It's almost like a combination of visualization and 398 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 3: being in your head at the same time, kind of 399 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: like almost like a dream. 400 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: State, right like you just knew she was there. 401 00:22:59,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 402 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 3: I been trying to figure out how to explain it, 403 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: but it was like a multitude of senses that we're 404 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 3: picking it up. 405 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: It's interesting because people have reported seeing a little girl 406 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: there before, and who do you think that could be? 407 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I did research, was trying to 408 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 2: figure it out. 409 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: I was also working probably about eight years later, I 410 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: was working for another Haunt attraction. 411 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: I was their wardrobe director. 412 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: In my seamstress says, I hear that you're living in 413 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: the castle now said yeah, I am. I said, it's 414 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: pretty amazing. And she said, have you seen the ghosts? 415 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: And I said, are you talking about the old lady? 416 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: Because that's what everybody has always asked me. Have I 417 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: seen the old lady? And which I haven't And she 418 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 3: said no, the little girl hair standing up on my 419 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: arm right now. And I said, you know about the 420 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: little girl and she said yeah. She said, we used 421 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 3: to take the street car down Peach Street Street and 422 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: we would get off at the Rhodes Hall stop. It 423 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: was actually it was abandoned at the time, or bake 424 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: or something, and they would go to the front door 425 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: and watch the little girl appear. 426 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: And I asked her to describe the little girls to me, and. 427 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: It was exactly as my friend and I actually had seen. 428 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Yeah, I mean, you're like, you're not 429 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: the only ones to see her. And it's hard because sometimes, 430 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're investigating these locations and sometimes the ghosts 431 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: don't necessarily match up with the history, you know, but 432 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they didn't ever exist. It just 433 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: means maybe we don't know something, you know, And especially 434 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: with when it comes to the ghosts of children, kind 435 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: of dating back like, they weren't always as carefully recorded, 436 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: sadly because you know, child mortality rates were so high 437 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: back then. So I'm hoping one day they can figure 438 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: out who she is. 439 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: I've looked up the roads line, I've looked up the Purdues. 440 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: Can't figure out, you know. I've even gone to the cemetery, 441 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: which I was there yesterday, Wesseew Cemetery, trying to find 442 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: something to go on, but still still a mystery. Also 443 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: had another guest, my friend, our mutual friend, Chip Coffee. 444 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: I think I've known him since I was seventeen, and 445 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: he was working at the Shakespeare Tavern as an actor 446 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 3: in Atlanta. Yeah, he actually called me one day he says, 447 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: thinking about quitting my job. He was working on travel too, 448 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking about doing readings online. I'm like, you're 449 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: gonna quit your job and you're going to do psychic readings? 450 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Are you kidding? 451 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, So he came over one night and we 452 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 4: were going on a tour and he you know, you know, 453 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 4: tongue in cheek. 454 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: There's a little girl in there. 455 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he started talking about her. 456 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: We went upstairs. 457 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: The tower was amazing from the top of it you 458 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: can see like all all the state of Georgia if 459 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: I works and things. But there is actually a room 460 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: in the tower, and I think it's like the art 461 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: in the drawing room. 462 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: He goes, there's a little green and little. 463 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: Boy that used to be up here and they would 464 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: draw looking out these windows. 465 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: So, you know, tongue and cheek. 466 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: You know, we both you know, going through trying to 467 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: figure out what all is going on. I go downstairs 468 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 3: and he says, you know, the little girl comes downstairs 469 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: and sits at the end of your. 470 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: Bed at night while you sleep. 471 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: Kind of like, okay, Chip, you can stop now, he said, yeah, 472 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: he laughs, she giggles at you. I'm like, why what 473 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 3: are you talking about? He says, well, sometimes you stop 474 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 3: breathing in the middle of your sleep. And I'm like, okay, sure, yeah, okay, cool, 475 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: thanks Chip. Fifteen years later I found out that I 476 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 3: have severe sleep apnea, and I had no idea. 477 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: Apparently she did. 478 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: Wow. You know, that's one of the things about being 479 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: friends with Chip Coffee, Like sometimes he tells you things 480 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: you don't really want to know. You're like, you have 481 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: to you have to be like nope, you know. I 482 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: remember back in when I was still in the dating scene. 483 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: Whenever I started dating a new guy, Chip would be like, 484 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: do you want to know? And I'd be like, no, 485 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to know. 486 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: So one day I was in the kitchen area, which 487 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: is like the big space down where apparently you know, 488 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: this is the darker area. 489 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: But I had I had lost I had left lost. 490 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: My keys and I had to be somewhere, and I 491 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 3: called him like, Chip, please, I need to find my 492 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: keys now. And he says, they're in a chair with 493 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 3: fabrics by a table, and they were on top of 494 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: a chair under a piece of fabric that I was 495 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: working on in the main dining room. 496 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: You know, I never thought to use him for that. 497 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: Maybe this is I you know, yeah, this might have 498 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: started like turn over a new leaf for me because 499 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: there's so many times in my house where I can't 500 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: find things. Now I know, I just need to call 501 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Chip before I try to make that trek up to 502 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: like the third floor. 503 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: So I'm sure you have a little better standing with 504 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: them for things like that than I would. 505 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So, so Chip clearly has detected things that he's 506 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: been there before. Like I said, he's the one who 507 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: referred me to you and he's got some great stories, 508 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: but he's never really investigated. He's done more just kind 509 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: of like casual readings there and things. So now you 510 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: see this little girl. We've had electronics issues. 511 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 4: Now. 512 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Another thing I've heard reported a lot was the actual 513 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: ghost of mister Rhodes Amos. Did you ever have any 514 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: encounters with him? 515 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: Well, there was this one summer. It was June of 516 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: it had to be nineteen ninety eight because of the 517 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: way the dates line up. The power went out. It 518 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: was a huge storm. Of course, you know back then, 519 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: I didn't have you know, a cell phone, a smartphone. 520 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: It was you know, I just had a flip phone. 521 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: So I had no the idea that this storm was 522 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: coming up. But power went out, so the alarms go off, 523 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: so I, you know, proceed up the stairs to check 524 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: all the switches and you know, check all the entrances 525 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: and things, make sure there's not another problem. So I'm 526 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: up there. Everything is secure, the lights are still out. 527 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: I have my flashlight, so I'm like, okay, you know what, 528 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: you don't go upstairs too much, just kind of take 529 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: a look around and let's just you know, let's explore. 530 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 3: It ended up in one of the main office areas 531 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: and on the wall in a glass frame was an 532 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: article about Rhodes Hall and Amos. So I'm reading it 533 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: and it talks, you know, talks about his life and 534 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: talks about his wife Amanda, and you know, the the dream, 535 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: you know. 536 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: As far as the castle. 537 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: And then I saw his death tape and it said 538 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: that he had passed in nineteen twenty eight on June sixteenth. 539 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: So I'm looking for a calendar up there found a 540 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: calendar and then it was June sixteenth, nineteen ninety eight, 541 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 3: seventy years from the time of his death. I think 542 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: that's a really I think it's just a very cool coincidence. 543 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: But who knows. 544 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: I love that story because I'm really big on synchronicity 545 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: and signs, and you know, I think sometimes spirits speak 546 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: to us in that manner, like, you know, they make 547 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: us aware of things just mainly like you know, just 548 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of like somehow you're drawn to something and then 549 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: it correlates with something that happened there, and I mean, 550 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: I know you were there for a long time and 551 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of that. General consensus has been that Amos really 552 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: didn't or doesn't like people coming into the house like 553 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: it's not necessary, like he's pretty protective of it. Is 554 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: that kind of the vibe that you got there. 555 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it was Amos. 556 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: I never heard the get out, get out part unless 557 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: it was always probably one of my friends is teld 558 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: me get out. But I know when I was working 559 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: there as an actor, I know the downstairs area, my 560 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: area was split up in two sections. One section was 561 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: my living space, which is amazing huge windows, three foot 562 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: you know, rock walls, and then you had to cross 563 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 3: a little hallway, which conveniently my bathroom and shower we're 564 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: on the side the hallway, and uh so was this 565 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: big space which was used for my kitchen area. Back 566 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: when I was actually working as an actor, there would. 567 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: Be this. 568 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 3: This dark you know energy kind of we feel like, 569 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: you know, you wait, you know, twice as much as 570 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: you do and just kind of like, you know, it 571 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: just kind of pull you down to the ground. 572 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: Not literally, but you know, figuratively. 573 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: It just seemed like it was a very dark There's 574 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: a just a feeling and uh that that's the same 575 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: that's the same area that you know, would things would 576 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 3: get misplaced a lot you know where actually you had 577 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: to call it Chip one time and ask him about 578 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: something that had misplaced. Uh, he was right on it. 579 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: But that was like the darker area that I would feel. 580 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: It wasn't that dark. I mean, I've been through some 581 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: things in my life and there's some really cool areas 582 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: down in the basement, including the the furnace room, which 583 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: is something out of Freddy Krueger, and another you know, 584 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: some crawl spaces all throughout the house, and you know, 585 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: you would think that, you know, by looking at it physically, 586 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: that would. 587 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: Be the area that would be creepy. And no, it 588 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: was the big room where I had my kitchen. 589 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 590 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 4: Do you. 591 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: So you're not sure that it's Amus. So who do 592 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: you think it could possibly be or do you just 593 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: think it's kind of like an energy attached with that 594 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: part of the house. 595 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if there's anyone specific. 596 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: It just was just kind of foreboding and dark, and 597 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: I you know, and I would go through and I've researched, 598 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: you know, pretty much like grandchildren and relatives, and I 599 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: can't figure out who at my be I know that 600 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 3: Amanda passed there in the house, and I'm not sure 601 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: Amos passed if it was in the house or not. 602 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: But I think he passed like two or three years 603 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: after she passed. 604 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a year apart, and they both passed 605 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: in the house. Actually it was each died like one 606 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: died one summer and the other died the next summer. 607 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: So and then their parents or they're sorry. I think 608 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: it's either their children their grandchildren gave the house to 609 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: either Atlanta or the state. It's interesting to me that. 610 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they just had so much money that 611 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: they didn't need this big, ornate mansion in the middle 612 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. But it's interesting to me that they just 613 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: gave it away. It makes me wonder, like, you know, 614 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: why would you just give it away? 615 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: And you know, it was over one hundred acres, it 616 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: was pretty much it was pretty much all of what 617 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: was Buckhead. 618 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 3: I just know that he, you know, loved history and 619 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: historical facts, and he wanted it to be something that 620 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: was here for a long time for people to enjoy. 621 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: I guess maybe without him, you. 622 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: Know, apparently, Well, it's a beautiful place. I've been lucky 623 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: enough to go there a couple of times. I did 624 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: an event there once and then obviously we investigated it 625 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: on Ghost hunters many many moons ago and definitely has 626 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: an interesting vibe to it. And I know they're not 627 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: doing public tours at the moment, but hopefully they'll restart 628 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: something that you can get in there if people are interested. 629 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: But I think it's an important piece of history. And 630 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: how lucky were you to get to live in the 631 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: middle of it for years. That's really awesome, so amazing. 632 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: There was actually an article in the AJAC the Atlanta 633 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 3: General Constitution down here of some of the most unusual 634 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 3: places to live in Atlanta, and I think I was 635 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: number two. Number one was the guy who was actually 636 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 3: the caretaker of the Fox Theater who lived in the Fox. 637 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Geez, well, fascinating. Well, I think you're very fortunate to 638 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: get to live somewhere so cool. Sorry, there was some 639 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: ghostly happenings that went along with it, but hey, some 640 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: of us would truly enjoy. 641 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: That with a territory of living in a castle exactly. 642 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for taking the time. I know 643 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: it's been we've been running all over the place trying 644 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: to get this done. You've been really wonderful and hopefully 645 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: I know we've met years and years ago, but hopefully 646 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: we'll see each other again soon. 647 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and thank you for having me, Amy, And anytime 648 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 3: you want to come down to Atlanta, I can give 649 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 3: you private tours Rhodes Hall and both of the major 650 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 3: cemeteries down here. 651 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: Don't threaten me with a good time. That's awesome. Thanks 652 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: so much, Shane. I appreciate it. 653 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 2: Thanks, Amy, have a great Halloween. 654 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: As a paranormal investigator, I've had to get used to 655 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: the idea that appearances can be deceiving. If a door 656 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: slams shut on its own, it could be because of 657 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: a draft, or because a spirit is trying to get 658 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: my attention. If the temperature suddenly drops, it could be 659 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: due to poor ventilation, or a sign that I'm not alone, 660 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: even if I don't see anyone nearby. And while it 661 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: can seem that death is the end, I've witnessed plenty 662 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: to suggest that's not the case either. 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