WEBVTT - Ina Garten: At Home With the Barefoot Contessa 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:09.040 Okay, Katie, we're at your house in the heartland of America, 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:14.320 East Hampton, New York. And why are we here? Very funny. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.560 We're here because we had a very special opportunity to 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.599 interview and really spend time with Eina Garten in her 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.599 kitchen here in East Hampton, where it all happens. Yeah, 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.120 it was really a dream come true for some of us, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.960 especially the truffled scrambled eggs that she decided to make 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.600 for us. But we covered a wide range of issues 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.040 from her own history. How is she able to pivot 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:44.160 in her career too, of somebody who wrote nuclear policy right, Yeah, exactly, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.519 for somebody who worked for the Office of Management and 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.720 Budget writing papers on nuclear energy to being the queen 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.560 of cookery. It all began here in the Hampton's when 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.000 she bought a little food store in West Hampton called 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.520 Yes the Barefoot Contest, which was named after a movie 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.360 from the fifties with Ava Gardner. That's right. And then 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.000 like twenty years later she pivoted to becoming a cookbook 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.840 author and TV host. That's right. And uh, I know, 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.560 I think is as warm and gracious in person as 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.279 she appears on her television show and she has a 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.400 very enviable life, don't you think, Brian, I envy it personally. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.839 So we spent a lot of time, actually the whole 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.399 morning in her kitchen, talking to her about cooking, talking 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:35.320 to her about Jeffrey, about her life and her career path. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.840 And I think people can take some lessons from Aina 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.440 about taking risks. And we talked to her employee, Ldy, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.560 who probably has the second best job on the planet. Ye, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.680 this is Iinah's assistant, and she has a really instructive 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.000 story to tell about how you can kind of invent 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.040 your own job. By the way, we spent most of 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.840 our time with Ainah sitting at her kitchen table in 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.880 joint a delicious breakfast. And so if you hear some 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.959 birds chirping or refrigerator humming, that's because we were there. Yeah, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.280 I think a little bluebird sort of perched on my 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.399 shoulder at one point. You've been smelling the truffles even 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.440 watching Cinderella too many times, find nickel for every time 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:26.079 somebody accused me of that. Well, you're cooking with me, right, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.720 so we're gonna make I mean, I'd like to take 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.720 something really obvious like scrambled eggs, and do it in 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.680 a different way. So the two things that we're going 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.679 to do that are different. One is we're going to 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.040 cook it the way the French do, very very very 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.839 slowly over a very low flame, and what it makes 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.919 is very custody scrambled eggs. Is that? What is that? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.440 How they do it? Well, they do it in a 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.960 double boiler, but we can do it in a in 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.560 a pan if we're really careful. And they use a 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.160 ton of butter, Yeah that's except on this case, I'm 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:55.000 gonna use truffle butter. It's butter that has white truffles 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.440 in it, and I love truffles. You do like white ones? 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.919 So good? I love her things for you. There are 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.000 people who are truffle haters. I don't understand that. My 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.519 husband doesn't like do have that sort of Jim sucks 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.480 kind of flavor? Doesn't never feel the same about trufal 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.720 I ruined it for you, delicious, Jim suck. But there 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.560 are these little pots of truffle butter that you can 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.600 get there like eight dollars, but it's real truffle shavings 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.840 in it. Yeah, that sounds delicious. Through your process for 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.920 a second, how do you come up with the idea 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.040 for a recipe. I mean, how does it This is 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.919 a good example, actually is I start with a remembered 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.240 flavor and you know we don't remember scrambled eggs and um. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.040 And then I think, how can I do it differently 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.440 so it has more flavor, and how can I do 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.880 it so it's simpler. I just wanted to be something 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.400 you think you're gonna like, but it's better than you remember. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.040 I know I have some go to in a recipes. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.040 For example, I love the pasta pasto salad with the 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.720 peas and the and the pine nuts. But when you 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.760 say I just want to make something that I know 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.760 is going to be delicious, what recipe do you do? Well? 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.720 You know it's funny because I think about I mean, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.480 after eleven books, I've really I mean, I'm working on 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.040 the eleventh now, you know. I think, well, I have 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.280 have like a thousand recipes, so it must be I 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.000 must be making a different thing all the time. And 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:14.640 yet I go back to the same things that I 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.560 know that I can nail. And what are the parmesan 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.160 chicken with a salad on top? I think it's in 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.680 family style, Yeah, it's in family style. Um. One of 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:31.000 the things that we make all the time. This is light. Yeah, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:36.040 we're wondering. How did you come to work with Aina 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:43.880 U through harassment? Um. I was friends in college with 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.880 someone who is the son my lawyer, Dinah's lawyer, and 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.000 I wrote a letter. It was this year, my last 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.360 spring of college, and I didn't know what I wanted 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.520 to do, and so I wrote a letter saying, hi, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.760 and I really want to come work for you. And 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.000 I sort of thought I could do social media for 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.600 of her. It seemed like a natural fit. And well 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.360 what happened was it? I mean, probably once every ten 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.880 years we might be looking for someone, and it just 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.320 happened to the moment. And what I loved about Lydie 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.200 was so, I mean before I even knew her, is 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.160 that she didn't graduate from Boden and say I just 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.880 want a job. She graduated from Boden and said I 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.039 want to have my dream job and that's working for Aina. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.360 And so she just kept harassing her friend Untilie he 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.120 called his father and I said, well, how are you 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.680 even going to get here? And she said, don't worry 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.640 about it, I'll get there from Maine. And she showed 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.760 up on her doorstep with an entire social media plan 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.440 all laid out, and I just, I mean, we just felt. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.680 And then do you remember the final final straw was 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.080 that I said, what what draws you crazy? In school? 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.120 She said, my my roommates don't clean up the house, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:53.159 the kitchen and the house. Why thought you was so hired? 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.560 What her brown knows? There? It was there were twelve 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.719 girls living in one house. I mean, it's it's in 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.480 one kitchen. And I think it's really instructive story about 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.119 how you can kind of create your own job. Yeah, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.120 I mean, I mean you're listening for this job. And 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.159 also the lessons I think people can take from what 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.839 you did to going for it, being persistent, right, not 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.200 taking no for an answer, and then being so prepared 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.720 and not making the onus on Aina to figure out 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.080 all your logistics and to come with the whole media 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:32.520 plan well played. Like, thank you. So all you college 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.200 graduates out there who may be listening to our podcast, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.560 all two of you, my daughters, you should take take 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.919 this seriously because I think it's a great example of 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.239 finding your bliss. As they say, and here we are. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:53.760 My bliss is truffle scrambled eggs. Come with me. Okay, so, um, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.760 are you in charge of the recipe. So when we 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.200 test a recipe, what we do is read every single 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.080 word to make sure it's specific thicken, it's exactly the 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.960 right word. So okay, I read what was that's a 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.440 medium um sautae pan? Right? Do you place some medium 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.040 ten inch sautapan over? Like? Well? Ten inch is very 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.600 helpful because I wouldn't know how big a medium sawta pana. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.240 Thank you. That's exactly right because you never know. And 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.480 then you turn it on low heat. So is it 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.240 two tablespoons or three? It says um? Two table spoons? Oh? No, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.200 one and a half tablespoons unsalted butter at room temperature. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.400 Now why unsalted? I know? Um? Do you know? I 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.840 think you can control the salt better if you start 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.520 with unsalted butter and then add salt because different kinds 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.120 of butter have different amount of salt and salt. You know, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.600 I think the two most important ingredients that anybody used, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.800 You're gonna tell me butter and salts. Third, the two 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.560 most important ingredients in that cooking every single person has 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.440 in their house. Salt and pepper. They make all that 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.000 you can taste, like chicken stock that has no salt 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.560 in it tastes like dirty dishwater. You put salt in it, 0:07:55.560 --> 0:08:00.720 it tastes like full, rich vegetables and chicken and wonderful flavor. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.280 So that's a huge mistake that home cooks make all 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.680 the time. They're afraid of salt. And this whole thing 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.280 about salt is totally different now. I mean, everybody thought 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.480 that salt was bad for you, but it turns out 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.240 too little salt has a higher incidence of heart attack 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:21.000 and stroke, and too much salt has so apparently exactly 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.800 by the way, I know, what I think is so 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.320 exciting about cooking, and the little I I cook is 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.119 all the delicious salts you can get. Now, someone introduced 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.640 me Bobby Flay not to day dropped tolden salt. Yeah 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:44.520 it is texture of its delicious. And also this one 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.960 I love. This is oh I have that you're doing? 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.240 Isn't it's just do you have it? It's just a 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.160 great hostess gift if you're coming to a Yeah, it 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.520 sounds flour decent. It's really really good. Okay, who's in 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.440 charge of cracking eggs? Will? Okay? That? So I need 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.640 eight eggs? Eight eggs? How's that excellent. Now do you 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.320 take the little white thing that's attached to the yolk off? 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.840 My mom always did you know that little white stringy 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.320 thing that is attacked attached to the yolk? You don't? Well, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.079 now I don't have to you don't. You're free. That's 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.440 true what it is. But we always took it off. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.160 Actually when do we both do it? Actually, one thing 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:22.640 I do is I crack it here so you don't 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:31.520 get chills with me. That's smart, she says. So the 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.199 recipe says, in a large bowl, whisk together the eggs, 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.800 half and half, one teaspoon of salt and a quarter 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.720 teaspoon of pepper. Okay, so who's in charge of whisking? 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:51.320 Good nice whisky? Brian, Thanks Katie. How a lot of 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:56.680 whisking practice. How much salt and one and a half 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.640 teaspoons of salts on a quarter of pepper? I like 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.600 having a recipe reader. So wow, that's a good amount 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.520 of pepper. But it looks great. So you have to 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.040 be careful when you are. When it comes to putting 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.120 butter in a pan, don't you wind it? Well? Sometimes 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.880 you want to burn it if you want brown butter, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:19.320 which is burning waste is Um, it's a it's a 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.959 great thing to use like in vegetables because it has 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.160 that kind of like a little sort of burnt butter flavors, 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.280 which is natty. It's nutty. That's exactly right. That's why 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.920 it's called theistte, not not nutty butter. I think in 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.880 English it doesn't work. It was interesting and preparing for 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.240 this show, I read that your mother had a kind 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.400 of a dietetic background and you grew up which she 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.160 was a dietitian, not being able to eat a lot 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.400 of carbs or butter or where did you find that 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.240 you did some research. My mother was obsessive about food, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.920 so we weren't let any carbs, we weren't let any butter. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.000 We had margarine. Um, she just kind of got dinner 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.880 on the table and I was wouldn't let you cook, 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.880 She wouldn't let me cook, And and her idea of 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.920 a great dessert was an apple. That just doesn't work. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.079 That's so funny. So is this the ultimate rebellion? It's 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.679 the ultimate rebellion. I'm still working at my issues from 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:20.120 my parents, but that's funny that that she just just 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.679 and she felt like your job was to make good grades. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.600 To study and not to help in the kitchen, right exactly. Okay, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.719 here we go. I'm just gonna pour it in. This 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.120 is the eggs, including the show. I must have done that, No, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.079 that must have been me. That's how you know it's 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.320 real eggs. There's a little crunch in it. So again, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.040 this is very very very low heat. I'm gonna let 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.600 it just sit, okay until it just starts to heat 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.480 up a little bit, until it's a little warm, and 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.040 you'll see what happens in the meantime. What about don't 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.480 we need a little brioche toast to put this on? Absolutely? 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.760 I think so. Just's sort of very similar to hollow, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:02.360 isn't it. It is waspy hollow. That's really great. So 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.160 I'm just gonna do some slices, and then what we'll 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.480 do is we'll put the eggs right on the brioche toast, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.719 will put some slices in the toaster. Let's see. So 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.520 what I'm gonna do now is just as it's cooking, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.720 just sort of fold the bottom over the top, and 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.880 then as it heats up a little bit. And in 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.520 case you don't benefit of being here, which I assume 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.680 you don't, we're talking to you on the podcast. The 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.040 eggs are just beginning to come together, but they're still 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:36.040 mostly liquid. Was gonna say, you're cheering for the eggs. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.000 I'm rooting for the eggs. So are you stirring? Ye? 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.280 Are you in charge of stirring? Sure? Just make sure 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.319 that you get the eggs off the bottom of the pants. Yes, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.120 that's where they're going to tend to. Okay, And do 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.240 you stir this constantly? Pretty much? A little bit? Yeah? Ok? 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.360 And then I think the more you stir at, the 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.240 more slowly. Yeah, more slowly. It heats up. And because 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.679 eggs are protein, and if you cook protein in a temperature, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.559 it tends to get tough. This is so interesting. I'm 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.440 not going to ever make scramp And it's such a 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.480 simple thing to do, and yet it really you wit 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.720 you taste it, it just transforms. It just transforms it. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:13.560 And one of the things too, is to cook it 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.679 until it's just undercooked, because it's gonna as it sits, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.320 it's going to continue to cook. You know, you've said 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.120 something very funny once. You said you can feel bad 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.439 before you eat a cookie, you can feel bad after 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.840 you eat a cookie. But nobody feels cookie, And I'm 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.880 just curious, you know, since there's since people are so 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.360 sort of health obsessed. Now, Aina, do you ever feel 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.319 pressure to come up with the ways of cooking delicious 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.240 things that aren't quite as rench. I do, and I 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.520 mean I do anyway, because I don't think anybody wants 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.480 all rich things for dinner. So for example, last night, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.520 I did short ribs on a bed of um blue 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:57.240 cheese grits for dinner, but then I did a coffee 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.760 granita for dessert. So you balance things, you know, you 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.559 want you want things to be crisp and fresh, and 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.360 I made roasted broccolini, so it was so very simple vegetable. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.160 And you're doing really well. I'm seeing how interesting is 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.000 it's really just starting to like cook a little bit 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.720 without actually big those big crumbles of scrambled eggs. And 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.160 you know what, one thing I know I was going 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.880 to bring up, you know, because I I'm sort of 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.680 obsessed with I try to eat healthy and all that, 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.160 and one of the things time about that, but one 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.000 of the things that they've studies that they found is 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.280 you're much more sated if you do have food if 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.480 you eat some fat, because it makes you less hungry later, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.280 and so as opposed to an entire box of cookies. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.880 So I start disgusting those low fat cookies have the 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.280 real sugar, and they replace the fat with sugar. But 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.320 I think that people don't need to be afraid necessarily 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.920 of having some some rich food or some fat, as 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.880 long as long as it's abound. Right. Okay, how's it? 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.840 It's absolutely perfect. See how custody it is. Now, So 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.200 the next thing I want to do is put in 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.440 a tablespoon or two, depending on how we feel, so 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.680 one or two tablespoons of truffle butter. Okay, it's just 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.280 I'm gonna have this. Isn't it good? Should we taste it? 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.440 Make sure it's okay? Here, I want to make sure 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.000 the truffle butter is all permeated in the eggs. Thank you. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.880 Make sure it's and the toast is almost ready. Okay, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:37.160 let's give this a try, Brian. Okay, when we come back, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.440 we're gonna sit at INA's kitchen table and enjoy the 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:50.320 fruits of her well our labor, I guess. And now 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:56.080 back to our interview with Dinah Garden. So good, so good, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:02.000 it's so good, and it's just scrambled eggs, but it's 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.680 done in a different way and a shall we sit him? 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:11.640 It's almost risotto better and faster? Now would you put 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.280 herbs on top of that? I do? Actually I am 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.040 Why do you should mention it? Katie? I actually have 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.920 some um chives? Because can I just say? I have 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.880 serious garden empty? I'm looking garden. Oh my god. The 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.960 first thing up in the spring is the chive. I'm 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.560 looking out on your garden. You have gosh how many 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:34.040 rectangles out there? Like fifteen or six of gosh o twenty? 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.520 And you what do you grow out there? In flowers? 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.040 And every year it's different tomatoes, lots of tomatoes. I 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.520 love cherry totos. That's so much. Shall we sit? Yes? 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.760 Let's so. When I told people in that I was 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.320 coming here, after everybody told me how jealous they were. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.960 The second thing everybody said was, well, you got to 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.080 ask about Jeffrey. Everybody's obsessed with Jeffrey and your relationship 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.920 with Jeffrey and how you have this kind of perfect 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:06.480 storybook marat Well. And we were coming through the airport 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:11.320 in England and the guy checking passports in London um 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.480 looked looked at his passport and he said, it's you. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.400 You're the one. He said. My wife is always saying, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:22.320 why can't you be more like Jeffrey Garten? That is 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.600 so funny. But you guys have a I mean, Jeffrey 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.240 is still teaching at Yale right and I was the 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.040 dean of the business school for ten years and he's 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.119 been teaching for a bad ten or twelve. So is 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.120 he So he's not here during the week, he's not. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.440 I mean, you know, he comes and goes, but usually 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.399 he's night here during the week. Yeah, but seriously, is 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.160 that the makes the heart grow? Far from New York 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.959 during the week? So we you know, we see each 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.720 other like Tuesday Wednesday night. So yeah, it's it's no, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.840 that's not the secret. The secret is that you just 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.560 take care of each other and you admire each other 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.200 and support each other and and you get that back. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.000 You met him when you were a teenager and you 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.080 were visiting your or at dartmoun was we did our homework. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:09.320 I want to apologize that people hear me chewing, I 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.320 feel terrible if you weren't, if he went, I don't 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.520 want to eat this. So how old were you? I 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.439 was sixteen, I was fifteen. I was sixteen known at 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.240 him and uh he came to he saw me walking 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.920 around the campus. Um, he said to somebody, his roommate, UM, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.040 I wonder who that girl is. Now. You have to understand, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.159 Dartmouth is all men at the time, so I was 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.840 like the only girl walking around and that was much 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:38.320 competition exactly. It wasn't like I was mac Fierce and 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:43.280 walking around Dartmoun And six months later showed up at 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:48.000 my doorstep, which is amazing that he remembered. And Uh, anyway, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.919 you and Jeffrey never had kids, And did you spend 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.200 a lot of time with other people's kids or did 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.560 you just not have that desire so much? I mean 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.720 we we didn't. We decided not to children. Um. I 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.040 really appreciate that other people do, and we always have 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.439 friends that have children that were close to But it 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.880 just was a choice I made very early. A lot 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.159 of my married friends who don't have children, or some 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.480 of them who don't have children. Um, children, right, yes, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.000 but but they also feel like I did a whole 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.720 talk show on this when I had my my talk 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.360 show about the kind of how society sort of treats 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.800 couples who have decided not to have kids, and were 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.280 you ever faced with that? Did people ever to kind 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.000 of judge you at all? I never felt like people 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.680 did that. People did. Um. I think the one thing 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.040 that we missed is a lot of people's friends are 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.040 the parents of their kids friends. So we never had 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.080 that connection with other people that I see a lot 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.720 of that network that network exactly. UM. But no, I 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.360 just I never felt judged by it. Maybe people did, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.359 but I didn't notice. But I really felt I feel 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:56.760 that I would never have been able to have the 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.560 life I've had. Um. And so it's a choice, you know, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.159 that was the choice I made, you said, saying that 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.719 really struck me. You were asked at some event, you know, 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.639 what issues do you have in your marriage or how 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.000 do you overcome the issues in your marriage? And you said, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.520 you know, we don't have dogs and cats and kids 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.199 and things that make it messy. We don't have We 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.800 don't actually because I mean we you know, we have 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.840 respect for each other. And if Jeffrey and I disagree 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:26.840 on something, he always agrees with me. I let that 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.520 reminds me of a toast. Here's to you, here's to me, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.879 And if we disagree, screw you heres to me. You 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.520 can use that very ay, it's a very appropriate Easter Sunday, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.000 you can that. I also think one of the nice 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.200 things about Jeffrey, among many nice things, is he really 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:50.879 encouraged you to do what you love and totally some 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.080 people know this, some people don't ee up. But I 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.560 always find it fascinating that you actually were writing nuclear 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.399 policy for the White House. It was for a period 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.159 of time, so clearly you're a bit of a brainiac. 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:12.240 Now give that jump to anybody, But what what drew 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.040 you to do that? And how did how did you 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.920 land that job? I was really interested in science, and 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.240 I had a job doing legislative work um in an 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.640 Office of Management and Budget for two years, where all 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.399 the legislation comes to you have to write up a 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.680 paper for the president with you know, recommendation, whether he 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.720 signs the legislation or not. UM. Scary that they give 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.080 that to twenty five year olds, but that's what I did. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.719 But I was really interested in science, So after two 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.800 years I switched over to the science and technology area 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.720 and they assigned nuclear energy budgets to me. No idea 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.280 so much. It was really interesting and I really got 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.000 a sense of what I wanted to do and what 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:51.879 I didn't want to do, right because because and you 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.399 didn't want to do that. You know, one of the 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.640 things I, oh, this sounds so crazy, but the one 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.480 of the things I was sure I wanted in my 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:00.320 next life. Because you had to get dressed up. I 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.760 mean you had to wear silk blouses and heels and 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.520 stock that the arrow when we wore little ties around 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:12.840 our profession. It was such a that exactly, it was 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.600 the seventies, that's exactly. I mean, women who wanted to 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.919 be taken seriously, you know, got dressed up. And I thought, oh, 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.040 I just want a job where I can wear sneakers, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.800 And here I am sneakers and actually usually I'm in 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:30.080 my bedroom slippers. But even better, I'm decided to dress 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.439 up for us dressed. But finally you were like, you 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.359 know what, I don't really love this. And Jeffrey said something, really, 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.439 I think that transformed you. It totally transformed me. And 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.520 he's always so encouraging. He said, I came home one 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.639 day from I said, I just this isn't me, This 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.000 isn't what I really want to do. And he said, 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.439 pick something that you think would be fun. Pick something 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.840 that would you know, don't worry about whether you make money. 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.240 Just pick something would be fun. If it's fun, you'll 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.360 be really good at it if you love doing it. 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.840 And I said, well, funny. She that I've seen this 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.080 ad for a business for sale in the New York 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.159 Times and it was a tiny specialty food store for 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.440 sale in a place I've never been. And he said, 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.440 let's go look at it. And that was in West 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.119 Hampton's And when that was the Barefoot contest called the 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:16.480 bare Contessa, but named after a movie with Ava Gardner. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.600 It was named after there was a movie with Ava 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:20.399 Gardner and the owner when she was a little girl 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.359 that used to call it the Bear for Contessa because 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.679 she was Italian. So she named the store of the 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.040 Bear for Contessa. And you you went and saw it, 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.440 and you get offered. You made an offer the next 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.080 right then and there, and I walked into the store 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.399 and they were baking cookies. I thought, I want to 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.400 be here. And I made her a low offer, thinking, oh, 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.400 she'll come back, we'll negotiate, we'll have time to think 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.959 about it. And um. She called me the next day 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.760 in my office and said, thank you very much. I 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:52.560 accept your offer, and I remember going, oh, ship, I 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:54.520 was one of my boss's office and said, I think 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.639 I just bought a food store. And you did that 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.480 for how long? Eighteen years? Wow? A long time, which 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.040 was fun, I mean. And and when I stopped doing that, 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.000 I thought, I don't you know, I thought it was 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:07.800 time to do something else. I've done that for a 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.000 long time, and I thought it's really time to do 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.320 something else. But I just didn't know what it was there. 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.160 And you just back up for a second in the chronology, 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.760 how did you get excited about food and cooking? Because 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.800 we heard that you grew up in a house where 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.760 food was not special, and I think I was starving. 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.520 I think I was always hungry. And you took this 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:32.000 trip to France with Jeffrey. We went on a camping trip. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.320 We had four months with nothing to do and no money, 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.280 and we decided the only thing we could afford is 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.240 a tent and sleeping bags, and so we took a 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.719 four month trip to France. And I remember coming into 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.879 in Normandy into a campsite and it was kind of 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:46.920 late in the afternoon, and the woman who owned the 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.760 camp site said, I just made I think it was 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.320 Coco van for my husband or before or something like that, 0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:57.480 and would you like some for dinner. I was like yeah. 0:24:57.800 --> 0:24:59.760 I remember thinking I need to know how to make this. 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:02.720 And I came home and after this trip and we 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.720 and I just budget the Chounts mastering the art of 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.440 French cooking Wow, and started cooking while I was working 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.400 in Washington. That's what I would do at night as 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.440 cook and then I would have people over for dinner 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:15.960 on the weekends. And I think that's why when I 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.600 was doing nuclear energy during the day and cooking at night, 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:20.320 and I thought, wait, this is crazy. I want to 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.159 do that. So that's how that's kind of how it started. 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.679 I also thought it was interesting that when I know 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.159 you were making a decision after eighteen years running and 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.680 owning and cooking and baking the coconut cupcakes and still 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.520 obsessed with at the Terrify Contessa. By the way, they 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:44.159 were about the size of my head in cocakes, you decided, 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.240 you know, I want to I want to do something else, 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.760 or I want to transition into some other aspect of 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.360 what I'm doing. And you took a year off because 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.320 someone said to you, can you figure out what you 0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.159 want to do? Next if you don't have time to 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.359 really think about it, because I think many of us 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.639 feel like you can't get another job unless you have 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:09.080 a job is somehow you're less desirable. But that year 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.439 off was really important to you. But you said it 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.240 was the hardest year of your life. It's the hardest 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.240 year of my life because I went from like baking 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.240 athasm me guests and having customers coming to the store 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.320 and the energy and sort of I always felt like 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.800 the store felt like a party, like when you walked 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.480 into the party, like the music was on and the 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.000 coffee was there, and I'd forgotten that something's got to 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:34.040 give that scene that was filmed in the store, isn't it. Yeah, 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.119 So I just I thought, well, for a while, I 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:39.600 tried to figure out what to do next, and I 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.439 just couldn't figure it out. And this friend said, you 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.800 have to stop type A. People think they can figure 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.000 out what they're going to do next while they're doing something, 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.720 and they can't. And I was like, Okay. I built 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.480 myself in office upstairs and then I had nothing to do, 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:57.440 I mean like nothing. So for a year and out 0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:01.440 of complete boredom, I thought, well, very said, well, stay 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.320 in the food business. You love the food business. And 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.320 I thought, well, people have asked me to write a cookbook, 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.320 but that's not the kind of thing I want to do. 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.320 So because I can't imagine i'd be able to write 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.480 a cookbook, and it seemed like a very solitary thing 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:15.719 as opposed to the store, which is very social and 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.480 fun and up. And um, I thought, well, at least 0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.320 after a year, at least I have something to do. 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:25.199 So I wrote a book proposal, thinking maybe I'll do 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.080 that while I'm figuring out what to do next. And 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.119 you ended up loving it. Can we pause for two 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.359 seconds so people can hear me take a bite of 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:42.160 my breathe delicious? Okay, sorry, go ahead. The eggs don't 0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:45.080 make much sound, but the areas definitely does. That was 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:50.960 both affected and totally genuine. So and you ended up 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.000 loving the process of writing cookbooks, loving it and loving 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.320 the people you were working with. It turns out it's 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.400 not a solitary thing because there when we do the photographs, 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:01.680 there's you. You have to have a sense of design, 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:03.600 You have to know where you want to go. The 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.880 photographers and the stylists and the remember the first time 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.120 right here in this kitchen. Actually, I did a photo 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.280 shoot with the food stylist. I thought what a food 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.479 stylist did was like I would make the food, they 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.480 would um, put it on a plate, and then they 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:22.359 would die. They would exactly exactly, or brush it with 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.399 motor roy or somebody like that. And I was terrified 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.639 because I thought, how I have to make every single 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.360 recipe in this book for somebody to photographs. And I'm 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.520 standing behind this counter and I'm going, okay, what do 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.600 you want first? And the food style is said, I'm 0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.760 the one who does the cooking, and I was like, oh, 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:46.360 this is great. And so she made everything in the book, 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.960 and the prop stylus brought the perfect plate, and um, 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.520 the photographer was just wonderful. And I remember thinking, this 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.960 is so much fun and so creative and so interesting, 0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.680 and you know, I hope somebody's going to buy this 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.120 book so I can do it again. And now eleven 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.560 books later, well, I guess you're coming out. I've done 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.000 ten and I'm working on the eleven. What is the 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.680 eleventh going to be called? You're not going to tell 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:16.080 you have to come back? Can you give us a hint? 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.640 We have recipes in it? Can I tell you why 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.640 I think your cookbooks are so great. I think you know, 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:29.000 don't tell me. I think you acknowledge, unlike a lot 0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.400 of other people, that entertaining is difficult and stressful and 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.000 anxiety producing, and you make it so that you can 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.120 kind of go step by step through the process and 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.240 figure out how you're not going to be a nervous 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.959 wreck when people show up, and the food is going 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.520 to be delicious, and it's going to be done pretty 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.040 much when people walk in the door. And I think 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.760 that's pretty uncommon for cookbooks, which sort of expect you 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.200 to be standing over a hot stove while you're supposed 0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.640 to be simultaneously entertaining people. Is that the well, you know, 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.520 the irony is. I remember thinking going into the cookbook business, 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.000 what makes me think that I can write a cookbook 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.479 when great restaurant chefs write cookbooks. But I realized very 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.960 quickly I knew two things that restaurant chefs didn't know. 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.080 One is I'm not a trained professional cook. I mean, 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.160 I've cooked more than most people, but I'm really I 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.280 never went to see a culinary institute c I A. 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:26.200 I never went to really formal training, so I know 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.800 it's really stressful for me to cook, So it's important 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.720 for me that it's really simple to make. And the 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.800 other thing is when you own a specially food store, 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.760 you find out what people like to eat at home 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.120 as opposed to in restaurants. So you'd like to eat 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.840 coconut cupcakes, roast chicken, roast carrots. Um, when you got 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.920 to a restaurant, you want something a little more challenging 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.880 like Rosa buco, or you want something like um uh, 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.320 will you bez which is harder to make at home. 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.880 So um, so is that sort of your motto or 0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:01.120 your atics? Simplicity A totally simplicity as much as possible. 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.720 That it's if it's something that I make and we 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.200 that night, my assistant Barbara goes home and makes it 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.840 for her family. I think, yes, that was a great recipe. Um. 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.480 If if I make something and three quarters of the 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.200 way through I get bored with it, it goes in 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.280 the trash and never makes it in a book, it 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.760 has to be something I'm willing to make again for company. 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.719 Let me pick up mine on something Brian said. Because 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.720 I do try to entertain and what I find myself 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.560 totally pittying out about which is so appealing, and talking 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:35.240 about cooking is getting everything ready at once, and I'm 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.640 so bad at that, Like I can do most of it, 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.360 but then I panic at the end. Well that's part 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.080 of the deal too. I mean, it's not like I 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.960 don't either. Jeffrey knows in the fifteen minutes before people arrived, 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.200 I'm always going to talk to me, do you do 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.520 you try to do dishes that I'll tell you what 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.560 I try and do. I try and do something that's 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.040 in the oven, something that's on top of the stoves 0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.120 and they're not competing with each other, and something I 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.480 made an advance that um is served room temperature so 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.920 that you don't have to think about having all those 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.840 things hot at the same time. That's that's good advice. 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:08.960 So it's really about the planning more than it is 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.000 the doing. It's if you plan it and you say UM, 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:13.920 and you plan it carefully, you don't end up with 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.240 one of and and two things that go in a 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.080 different temperatures. But that goes back to the you know 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:20.800 what I call the game plan. And if you do 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.360 the game plan and you figure it out so like 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:29.080 you plant your dinner parties like the Normandy invasion, which 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.320 are very helpful. Actually, you know, every time people come 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.440 for dinner, and I have a whole written list of 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:38.320 like seven ten, put the ham in the oven, seven thirty, 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.160 take the ham out, put the broccoli, and then I 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.720 don't go at at noon. I'm I'm not panicking. I 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.200 should start cooking now. No, I'm not. I shouldn't start 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.880 cooking because my list says it starts at five thirty. 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.200 That's really that's really smart. It's pretty simple. But it's 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.560 such a great way to organize yourself. But you can 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.480 also start in the morning if you want to make 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.840 like a water or melon and fedan mint salad or 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.920 whatever you might do, and you can do it and 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.760 put it in the reference. It's actually better because all 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:10.320 the flavors get to get YEA. So beyond the cookbooks 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:14.360 and the TV show, you briefly had a line of products, 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.640 both frozen foods and mixes did and then those kind 0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.880 of came and went well for different reasons. But I 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.280 love the products. I was really proud of what we did. 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.640 But the companies changed, and um, we didn't. We didn't 0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:28.520 love the way the direction of the companies were going 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:31.600 in and I just I love what I do. I 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.960 love the cookbooks, I love the TV show, I love 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.560 um having a life, having time left off life, and uh, 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.640 I just if it's not making me happy, I don't 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:42.360 want to do it. I think that's a really powerful 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.680 lesson from your life for other people. You you edit, 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.920 I did constantly, and you just think, if I'm not 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.520 enjoying this part of my life, I'm going to get 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.240 rid of it. If it doesn't make me happy, it's 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.480 not gonna make anybody else happy. I think it's um 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:57.800 that really translate. And if I don't have time to 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.480 do things gonna say, I think it's this much about 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.920 spreading yourself too thin. I went to this meditation retreat. 0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:07.720 I know you're learning so much about people. I didn't 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:11.799 really stick, but they told us that the Maharishi's that 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.440 he said, what do you think the most important word 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:22.200 for happy life is no, no peacefulness, no discernment. Discernment 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:26.600 isn't that interesting? So deciding what is important, deciding how 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.640 you're going to spend your time, And clearly you practice 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.640 that by saying I don't want to do so much 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:37.800 that perhaps it'll keep me from doing the things I love. Well, yeah, yeah, 0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:39.840 that's exactly I mean, he said that I'd like you 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.879 to bring back the scone mix. I'll make some mix 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:49.279 for you and I'll drop it off. That's well, that's 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:50.920 what I mean. I was really proud of those products. 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:52.440 I thought we did a really good job and we 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.759 worked really hard on them. But unless the company is 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.919 going to stay with the quality of what we wanted 0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.479 to do, then it doesn't work. But you talk about 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.600 how people come to you all the time with this 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:07.160 proposals and you say no to almost all of them. Yeah, 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.040 I say no almost all of them. I mean, people 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.719 wanted me to design a line of clothing. I'm like, 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.480 I wear the same thing every day. They did want 0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.640 you to do. Somebody want to make a clothing. Somebody 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.239 wanted me to do furniture. I'm like, furniture, well, I 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.239 think you know what they wanted to do in it, 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.160 which I think you see more and more of these days. 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.759 They wanted you to be a lifestyle brand, and you 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:34.120 see so many people becoming from Jessica Alba to Race 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:39.080 Witherspoon Paltrow the ultimate lifestyle brand, and that just didn't 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.120 appeal to you. I just I mean, I loved as 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.160 you say, I love doing what I do really well 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.040 and having life, you know, just having a wonderful Somebody 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:48.600 asked me if I would do a line of fertilizer, 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:55.600 did you say, just go to a cow past ship, Like, 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.200 why would I do? Do you do you think of yourself? 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:08.799 And it's different from fertilizer to you? Do you do? You? 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:14.200 I consider yourself a feminist. You're a powerful working woman. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.520 I yeah, I do. Um I think that. Um My. 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.680 When I left working in the White House, I knew 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:24.600 I was never going to be the head of that organization. 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:26.560 This was the seventies. It was never going to happen. 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:28.720 And the only way that I was going to determine 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.160 my own future was to do it myself. And so 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.319 I think my decision to own my own business was 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.960 part of that. Is that and I think a lot 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.560 of a lot of women fight with the existing system 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.240 rather than creating their own system. And amen to that, sister, 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.680 don't you think? So you can't change the system, and 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:52.640 maybe you can move it a little bit, but it's 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:57.680 very hard to change. And so I've always chosen to 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.160 to create my own system in I can be successful. 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.880 And I think you were ahead of your time, because 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:07.000 now I think there's a much more entrepreneurial attitude among people, 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:11.160 and obviously we all know whole new businesses are popping 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.680 up because of technology, and women are very successful in corporations. 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.120 But in the seventies that's not true. That wasn't true, right, 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.640 But even now, Uh, you look at the number of 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:24.920 CEOs and the fortune five hundred and spathetically small. If 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.880 you look at you know, of course it is women, 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:30.719 and the women's pretty well not right. If you look 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.719 at women actually in tech and high positions in tech, 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.880 it's actually dis worse and so um, yes, it's gotten 0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:41.680 perhaps better, but in many ways the obstacles are still there. 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.600 I think there's a lot of subtle sexism too in 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.839 the workplace that can be very demoralizing at times. But 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:54.760 I'm sure it's people. I'm saving that from my book 0:37:55.600 --> 0:38:00.680 the next podcast. But it's interesting. You're rand is kind 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.560 of a combination of the old fashioned and the modern. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.360 You're you're cooking for your husband. Your latest book was 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.000 called Cooking for Jeffrey. But at the same time, you're 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:15.279 a powerful, independent female business owner, thank you. So it's 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.120 interesting I think that people can can have both and 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.560 can can sort of reflect their values in a multitude 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.239 of different ways. Well, I think Jeffrey's advice really was 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.200 great is do what you love and if you love it, 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.520 you'll be very good at it. But it's not it's 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.760 not without risk. And we got a voicemail from someone, 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.279 It's a very sweet voicemail who wanted to talk to 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.200 you about your decision to really switch career. So let's 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.840 listen and you can respond. Hi, Katie and Brian. My 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.480 name is Kendra. I live in North Carolina and I 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.239 have a new listener to your show and love it 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:51.759 so much. And then I heard you were going to 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.319 have Find a Garden on the show, which made me 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.560 jump up and down. Um I have a question for 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:00.520 her about her relationship with risk. I'm all is moved 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:04.799 by women who make choices that are daring, who are troublazers, 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:08.200 who do things that they might fail at, especially in 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.799 the public eye. And so I I would love to 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.400 know Dina's thoughts on her journey, the evolution of her 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.759 journey of risk and failure when she opened that first 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.400 shop in the Hanton years ago and up to now. Um, 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.160 I would love to just open her head and write 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.640 out what she thinks about risk to inspire me to 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.040 not be so free, So please change my life. I 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:31.120 thank you. Guys. We don't want to open up your 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.359 head because that sounds very uncomfortable. But you know, I 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.720 think people um stand at the side of the pond 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.319 talking about what the pond is. Is it too hot? 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.919 Is it too cold? Is it deep? Is it all 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:46.400 the things are there? Think murky things under there? Um, 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:47.880 I think that you have to just jump in the 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:51.480 pond and answer to Kendra. Um. I have a very 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.239 low threshold of boredom. If I'm bored, I need to 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.760 change things. And I just I can't stand being bored, 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:01.799 and so I'll take a risk which heightens your awareness 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.240 of what you're doing. It makes you a little scared, 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.759 and you know that. I think that's good being a 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:09.000 little scared, because if it keeps you up at night, 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:11.440 you'll figure out the problems. But when you're jumping in 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.799 the pond, it's not that you're just going to stay 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.480 in that pond. That's just the beginning of it. It's 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.120 then you look over there and you go the ponds 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.640 really interesting over there. So you go in that direction 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:23.879 and then you go in another direction. And you keep 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.319 going until you find the stream that feels right to you. 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.680 So it's not a one time thing. It's just you're 0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.480 just pushing yourself off the cliff and going where it 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.439 takes you. And even and I like being scared, and 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.960 and and also I think failure is not the worst things. 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.880 If something doesn't work out, you learn from it and 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.480 it helps you move forward in a different way. Don't 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.160 you think I just calling it a failure is the 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.520 wrong way to think about it. It's just a lesson learned, 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.840 and you go and and then you find out what 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.840 worked in that and what didn't work, and then you 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.920 go to the thing that worked or the thing that 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.120 you liked and go in that direction. You're right, we 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.479 need to we need to redefine failure to stop using 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:11.320 the effort. I want to ask you a question about 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.200 all those years before you ventured off on your own 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.560 as a cookbook writer and a TV star. You know, 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:22.160 you you were owning and operating this shop. You were 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.799 kind of serving wealthy summer residents, and you became part 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:28.960 of the community of people who live here year round, 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.360 who don't have mansions on the ocean. Did that teach 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:39.040 you something about inequality or divides in the country because 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.520 you've been able to sort of traverse both those worlds. 0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.520 While East Hampton is not just wealthy people with big 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:48.160 houses on the ocean. Their farmers and fishermen and builders 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:52.600 and all the trades that exist anywhere else are here. Um. 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.640 I think East Hampton has gotten I mean, the Hampton's 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.440 have gotten a reputation from you know TV shows as 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:04.120 being just you know, well healthy people behaving badly. Um. 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.279 And so I think it's a you know, it's it's 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.799 like any community. There's a broad spectrum of people that 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.080 live here, and they all love coconut cupcakes, and so 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.319 it's you know, the price of admission to bear for 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.480 Contesta with zero you can wander through and have some 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:20.360 samples of coconut cupcakes and and and be out on 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.040 the street. Or you can buy a baguette for a 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.360 few dollars and have a wonderful time. So they're like 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.279 everyday pleasures. It's not like, um, you know, buying a 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.080 mansion on the beach. So I think, you know, food 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.560 appeals to everybody, and I like that kind of feeling 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.239 about it. There's an expression these days. I think my 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.680 daughter taught me food porn, and when it comes to 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:46.400 things like Instagram and even the various food networks, there's 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:52.240 something so mesmerizing about watching people cook and make food. 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:55.279 And I could watch some of these videos on Instagram 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:59.080 and we don't love them. Yeah, I mean all day long. 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:03.160 Many people watch these videos. Would never cook what they're watching, No, 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.399 but it's just so much fun. Why do you think 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.520 people are so Do you think it's escapism in a 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.719 weird way? Ina, I think that we all long for 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.480 that mother who's in the kitchen cooking for us, and 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.880 she's not there anymore. And there's that center where somebody's 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:23.360 rolling out pasta or cooking roasting a chicken, and she's 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.120 a doctor and a lawyer and a you know, you know, 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:38.040 doing podcasts. Someone say more um, and so that sort 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:41.600 of core of us is missing. That is mom home 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.399 in the kitchen that we're familiar with, and I think 0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:46.360 people are coming back to that. And I think Food 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:49.239 Network had a huge amount to do with it. There's 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.080 so many chefs, celebrity chefs out there. Do you ever 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.800 get competitive? Is there a bitchy side to Ina Garten? 0:43:54.840 --> 0:44:04.839 Please tell me there is? Thank you. Brian's true I've 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.160 actually never looked at what other people are doing. I 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.319 just look at what I'm doing and do the best 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.640 I can. I just, I mean, i'd like to. There's 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:18.759 there's an edge there, but is that true? I don't 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:23.200 want to. Somebody once said, you're exactly the way you're 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.600 on TV. Your language is a little worse. But you 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.600 were reluctant to host a cooking show you had written, 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.319 I think your second cookbook, and the Food Network came 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.600 to you and you didn't really want to do it. 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.240 I mean, I just couldn't you know. I had gotten 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.760 used to writing cookbooks. I love doing it. I wasn't bored, 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.399 so I wasn't looking for something else. And they kept 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.759 coming back over and over again and saying, please, won't 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:47.000 you do it? And they kept upping the offer, and 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.440 I'm like, I'm not negotiating. I don't want to do it. 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.280 Just lose my number. And they found a production company 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.520 in London whose work I loved um but it was 0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:00.040 Nigella Lawson's show. But I'm thinking, I'm not jeal a 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.000 loss and I can't do that, And and they hired 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.040 them and called me and said they're coming to your 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.359 house in two weeks to do the show. I said, 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.399 I said, I'm not doing it, and I said, oh, 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.000 just do thirteen shows. And I thought, well, I'll be terrible. 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.120 I'll do thirteen shows and then we'll be done with 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.239 it and I'll lose my number. So that two years ago, 0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.920 and now you have a whole barn on your property 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.799 and that's where you shoot your most Mostly what I 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:27.839 do is cook tester. I mean that's my office. That's 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.160 where we meet every morning and we test recipes for 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.759 the cookbooks and then twice a year we do the 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.279 TV shows there. So and we're actually just doing a 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.200 new series which starts I think the end of May. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:45.040 Um please plug it. As as people are going more 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.120 towards like food, food, porn and game shows, we're going 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.319 in the other direction. And I'm doing a series called 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.440 cook Like a Pro, which is all those sort of 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.880 little tips you need to know, like how to cut 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.040 a butternut squash in the best way and how to 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:02.200 how to do there. It's recipes, but more information than 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:06.360 just tips. It's about processes that interesting would be interested 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.040 to know. Yeah, definitely, yeah, because those kinds of tips, 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.239 then you know it and it can serve you sort 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.040 of the rest of your life, and you have to 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.280 come up with a new show. Someone's in the kitchen 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:22.279 with Aina in the kitchen, people are someone's in the 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:28.080 kitchen with and you can some sombled eggs with truffles ambrios. 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.840 This is kind of our tradition. By the way, every 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.440 thing on every podcast now, the audience demands it. If 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.080 we go an episode without singing, they get annoyed. So 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.080 give the people what they want. So in addition to 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.279 all the things that you're doing, Aina, are there other 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.359 things about you that people don't know, issues that you 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.000 care about, things that you talk about with your friends 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.080 that are important to you. But one of the things 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.200 you and I have talked about is um is organizations 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.640 that happen. I think elliots with one of working with 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:03.200 the sudden poverty carry actually my younger daughters working with 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:08.040 the centers, And I mean organizations that help people locally 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.799 and nationally, like the a c l u UM with 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.520 immigrants that have issues. And I think there's so many 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:20.319 incredible support systems in this country, and I think it's 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:22.760 it's getting harder and harder to rely on the government 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.880 to fund them, so people have to We really need to. 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.040 I've been involved in the Innocence Project is which is 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.799 I think they do an amazing job, isn't it. I mean, 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.320 my witness testimony is so unreliable and so many people 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.600 have been convicted of things they didn't do. And so 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.160 that's that's one issue you really care about. Are there 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.239 are there others that you spend a lot of time on? 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.040 You know, I think there's so many organizations that UM 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:52.759 need help. UM. I mean I support Plan Parenthood. I think, um, 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.480 they do an amazing job, and I know they're under 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.480 enormous stress now. Um, And frankly, people don't understand that. 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.919 I don't know, like of what they do as women's health, 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.120 it's you know, it's a very important organization for women 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.920 that can't afford good doctors. And the thing that is 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.239 so political is a very very small part of what 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.120 they do. And the money that they get from the 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:20.359 government already cannot go to fund abortion services. People don't 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.439 understand that. But how do you get your news? I'm 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:29.480 just curious. That's interesting. Um, New York Times, Washington Post online, 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:33.880 both hard copy and online. I think it's a different experience. UM. 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.920 I still like, I do you know why I just 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.279 like the I'd like to see the layout because it 0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:43.719 tells me a lot about the editorial choices that have 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:48.040 been made in terms of how they prioritize articles. I 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.520 totally agree with you. Yeah, I feel if I don't 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.560 get the hard copy, I miss stuff for whatever reason. 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:56.920 Because online is so targeted to my interests, I can't 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.399 find the unexpected thing. But I'm like the only one 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:05.560 know I know. Under forty I have the body of year. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:13.800 Do not stop saying that, well, this has been such 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:18.279 a treat for us. It's really been, and I think 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.719 you know it must be. I don't know. Do you 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:24.080 get uncomfortable about the fact that there are so many 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:28.880 people who feel connected to you and admire you so much? 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.759 And I think in many ways I feel that your 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:35.200 presence is really comforting to them. Thank you. That's wonderful, 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.759 you know that. I know. I love as Brian said, 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.320 that you know people how to cook, because when you cook, 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.719 everybody shows up. I mean, nobody's ever called and said 0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:46.960 come for dinner, I'm cooking and said no, no, no, 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.440 I really don't want a home cook meal. But when 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.160 everybody shows up, that's when you create a community for yourself. 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.359 And so it's not really about the food, although it's nice, 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.560 if it's delicious, it's really about the people that share 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:01.560 it with you. Are you and Martha Stewart buds? I 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:03.399 mean we've been we've known each other for a really 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.080 long time. Yeah, we used to do parties together. Actually 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.840 one time we do benefits together. Really one time Martha 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.280 made a ham and brought it on the Today Show 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:17.359 and after the segment, I asked our food crew if 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:20.759 I could take the ham, and uh so I ended 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:25.000 up serving it for Easter and it was a big 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.799 conversation piece. It must have been a really good ham. 0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.719 Was a really good ham. It was a really good ham. Anyway, 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.360 we'll speaking of really good hands. Yours is in the oven. 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.480 We don't want to keep you too long because it 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.880 is Easter and you have to prepare for Easter dinner. 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:46.200 But thank you. I know this was such a such 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:49.799 a tree. Really happy East, Happy Easter, too happy over 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:56.080 whatever your Spring Awakening holiday is, happily, have a wonderful time. 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.480 And just when we thought we got everything, who walks 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:08.200 in the door but Jeffrey Garden in the flesh and 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:12.919 uh and in the sweatpants and of course we got 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:20.040 to talk to the man, not I guess behind the woman. Yeah, 0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.400 oh my god, are you nice to see you? I'm good? 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.759 How are you? This was such a treat. So we've 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:34.320 been talking about you, Jeffrey. Yes, we have all things, 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:38.800 these two. This show was going to be called Aina 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:43.200 and Jeffrey the real story. Well, I don't think that 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:48.040 was in the contract. Do you feel like, Jeffrey, you 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.160 finally learned to cook be marre to this wonderful woman 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:58.480 all these years. You're kidding, right, It makes really good coffee. 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:04.160 I have a very lame excuse that we were married 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.839 so young. With the exception of my time in the army, 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.239 I never lived alone, so I never had a chance 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:17.320 to cook. She preempted from the very everybody. Sorry for Jeffrey. 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.120 And when you were in the military, by the way, 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:23.840 you know we know too much about you. Learned to 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.799 speak THI, Yes he did. He lived in Can you 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.880 say something to me in Thai? Well you wouldn't understand. 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:35.560 That's okay. Anyway, Well, we've got so much fun. This 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:41.560 has been really, really a treat. Thanks very much to 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.960 Aina Garten for opening up her home and her heart 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:49.279 to us. But it is a beautiful on a beautiful 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:53.640 Sunday morning with the sun coming through Sunday. That's right, 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.320 the sun coming through the windows and the birds chirping, 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.920 and it was just idyllic. Also thanks to Gianna Palmer 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.960 for producing the show, to Jared O'Connell for mixing and engineering, 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.920 or Richie for additional production assistance. And thanks also to 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.719 our social media Maven. I think that has that on 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:14.760 her card, Alison Bresnick social media, Maven and your cards 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.360 bad that's right and right my new cards. And to 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.000 Emily Beena for her part in producing. And I should 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.440 add one thing, Katie, thank you for cooking us an 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.719 amazing dinner last night, maybe inspired by I know a 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.760 little bit. You made this leg of lamb and lemon 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:34.719 pasta and asparagus and cupcakes and hala and halla for 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.839 those of us who are celebrating the Paysach as well 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.239 as the Easter, and you put us all up at 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.080 your beautiful house last night. Well, it was a lot 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:45.800 of fun. And that's a train in the background. Everybody, 0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:49.000 we're right near the tracks and cars on the wrong 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.759 side of the tracks. And Mark Phillips, thank you as 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:55.280 always for our wonderful theme music. Katie Kirk, Mitch Semmil 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:58.040 and I are our executive producers. 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