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Speaker 1: We're here because we had a very special opportunity to

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Speaker 1: from her own history. How is she able to pivot

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Speaker 1: and they were baking cookies. I thought, I want to

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Speaker 1: be here. And I made her a low offer, thinking, oh,

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Speaker 1: she'll come back, we'll negotiate, we'll have time to think

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Speaker 1: about it. And um. She called me the next day

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Speaker 1: in my office and said, thank you very much. I

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Speaker 1: accept your offer, and I remember going, oh, ship, I

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Speaker 1: was one of my boss's office and said, I think

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Speaker 1: I just bought a food store. And you did that

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Speaker 1: for how long? Eighteen years? Wow? A long time, which

434
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Speaker 1: was fun, I mean. And and when I stopped doing that,

435
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Speaker 1: I thought, I don't you know, I thought it was

436
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Speaker 1: time to do something else. I've done that for a

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Speaker 1: long time, and I thought it's really time to do

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Speaker 1: something else. But I just didn't know what it was there.

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Speaker 1: And you just back up for a second in the chronology,

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Speaker 1: how did you get excited about food and cooking? Because

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Speaker 1: we heard that you grew up in a house where

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Speaker 1: food was not special, and I think I was starving.

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00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I think I was always hungry. And you took this

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Speaker 1: trip to France with Jeffrey. We went on a camping trip.

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Speaker 1: We had four months with nothing to do and no money,

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Speaker 1: and we decided the only thing we could afford is

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Speaker 1: a tent and sleeping bags, and so we took a

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Speaker 1: four month trip to France. And I remember coming into

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Speaker 1: in Normandy into a campsite and it was kind of

450
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Speaker 1: late in the afternoon, and the woman who owned the

451
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Speaker 1: camp site said, I just made I think it was

452
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Speaker 1: Coco van for my husband or before or something like that,

453
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Speaker 1: and would you like some for dinner. I was like yeah.

454
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking I need to know how to make this.

455
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Speaker 1: And I came home and after this trip and we

456
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Speaker 1: and I just budget the Chounts mastering the art of

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Speaker 1: French cooking Wow, and started cooking while I was working

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Speaker 1: in Washington. That's what I would do at night as

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Speaker 1: cook and then I would have people over for dinner

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Speaker 1: on the weekends. And I think that's why when I

461
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Speaker 1: was doing nuclear energy during the day and cooking at night,

462
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Speaker 1: and I thought, wait, this is crazy. I want to

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Speaker 1: do that. So that's how that's kind of how it started.

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Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting that when I know

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Speaker 1: you were making a decision after eighteen years running and

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Speaker 1: owning and cooking and baking the coconut cupcakes and still

467
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Speaker 1: obsessed with at the Terrify Contessa. By the way, they

468
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Speaker 1: were about the size of my head in cocakes, you decided,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to I want to do something else,

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Speaker 1: or I want to transition into some other aspect of

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And you took a year off because

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Speaker 1: someone said to you, can you figure out what you

473
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Speaker 1: want to do? Next if you don't have time to

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Speaker 1: really think about it, because I think many of us

475
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Speaker 1: feel like you can't get another job unless you have

476
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Speaker 1: a job is somehow you're less desirable. But that year

477
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Speaker 1: off was really important to you. But you said it

478
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Speaker 1: was the hardest year of your life. It's the hardest

479
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Speaker 1: year of my life because I went from like baking

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Speaker 1: athasm me guests and having customers coming to the store

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Speaker 1: and the energy and sort of I always felt like

482
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Speaker 1: the store felt like a party, like when you walked

483
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Speaker 1: into the party, like the music was on and the

484
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Speaker 1: coffee was there, and I'd forgotten that something's got to

485
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Speaker 1: give that scene that was filmed in the store, isn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I just I thought, well, for a while, I

487
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Speaker 1: tried to figure out what to do next, and I

488
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Speaker 1: just couldn't figure it out. And this friend said, you

489
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Speaker 1: have to stop type A. People think they can figure

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Speaker 1: out what they're going to do next while they're doing something,

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Speaker 1: and they can't. And I was like, Okay. I built

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Speaker 1: myself in office upstairs and then I had nothing to do,

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Speaker 1: I mean like nothing. So for a year and out

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Speaker 1: of complete boredom, I thought, well, very said, well, stay

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Speaker 1: in the food business. You love the food business. And

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, people have asked me to write a cookbook,

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Speaker 1: but that's not the kind of thing I want to do.

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Speaker 1: So because I can't imagine i'd be able to write

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Speaker 1: a cookbook, and it seemed like a very solitary thing

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Speaker 1: as opposed to the store, which is very social and

501
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: fun and up. And um, I thought, well, at least

502
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Speaker 1: after a year, at least I have something to do.

503
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Speaker 1: So I wrote a book proposal, thinking maybe I'll do

504
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Speaker 1: that while I'm figuring out what to do next. And

505
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Speaker 1: you ended up loving it. Can we pause for two

506
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Speaker 1: seconds so people can hear me take a bite of

507
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Speaker 1: my breathe delicious? Okay, sorry, go ahead. The eggs don't

508
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Speaker 1: make much sound, but the areas definitely does. That was

509
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Speaker 1: both affected and totally genuine. So and you ended up

510
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Speaker 1: loving the process of writing cookbooks, loving it and loving

511
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Speaker 1: the people you were working with. It turns out it's

512
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Speaker 1: not a solitary thing because there when we do the photographs,

513
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Speaker 1: there's you. You have to have a sense of design,

514
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Speaker 1: You have to know where you want to go. The

515
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Speaker 1: photographers and the stylists and the remember the first time

516
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Speaker 1: right here in this kitchen. Actually, I did a photo

517
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Speaker 1: shoot with the food stylist. I thought what a food

518
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Speaker 1: stylist did was like I would make the food, they

519
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: would um, put it on a plate, and then they

520
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: would die. They would exactly exactly, or brush it with

521
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Speaker 1: motor roy or somebody like that. And I was terrified

522
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Speaker 1: because I thought, how I have to make every single

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Speaker 1: recipe in this book for somebody to photographs. And I'm

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Speaker 1: standing behind this counter and I'm going, okay, what do

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Speaker 1: you want first? And the food style is said, I'm

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Speaker 1: the one who does the cooking, and I was like, oh,

527
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Speaker 1: this is great. And so she made everything in the book,

528
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Speaker 1: and the prop stylus brought the perfect plate, and um,

529
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Speaker 1: the photographer was just wonderful. And I remember thinking, this

530
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: is so much fun and so creative and so interesting,

531
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Speaker 1: and you know, I hope somebody's going to buy this

532
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: book so I can do it again. And now eleven

533
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Speaker 1: books later, well, I guess you're coming out. I've done

534
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Speaker 1: ten and I'm working on the eleven. What is the

535
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Speaker 1: eleventh going to be called? You're not going to tell

536
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: you have to come back? Can you give us a hint?

537
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: We have recipes in it? Can I tell you why

538
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Speaker 1: I think your cookbooks are so great. I think you know,

539
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: don't tell me. I think you acknowledge, unlike a lot

540
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: of other people, that entertaining is difficult and stressful and

541
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Speaker 1: anxiety producing, and you make it so that you can

542
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of go step by step through the process and

543
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: figure out how you're not going to be a nervous

544
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Speaker 1: wreck when people show up, and the food is going

545
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: to be delicious, and it's going to be done pretty

546
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: much when people walk in the door. And I think

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty uncommon for cookbooks, which sort of expect you

548
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Speaker 1: to be standing over a hot stove while you're supposed

549
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: to be simultaneously entertaining people. Is that the well, you know,

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00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: the irony is. I remember thinking going into the cookbook business,

551
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Speaker 1: what makes me think that I can write a cookbook

552
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: when great restaurant chefs write cookbooks. But I realized very

553
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: quickly I knew two things that restaurant chefs didn't know.

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Speaker 1: One is I'm not a trained professional cook. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've cooked more than most people, but I'm really I

556
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Speaker 1: never went to see a culinary institute c I A.

557
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I never went to really formal training, so I know

558
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Speaker 1: it's really stressful for me to cook, So it's important

559
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Speaker 1: for me that it's really simple to make. And the

560
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: other thing is when you own a specially food store,

561
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Speaker 1: you find out what people like to eat at home

562
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: as opposed to in restaurants. So you'd like to eat

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Speaker 1: coconut cupcakes, roast chicken, roast carrots. Um, when you got

564
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Speaker 1: to a restaurant, you want something a little more challenging

565
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: like Rosa buco, or you want something like um uh,

566
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Speaker 1: will you bez which is harder to make at home.

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00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: So um, so is that sort of your motto or

568
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: your atics? Simplicity A totally simplicity as much as possible.

569
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Speaker 1: That it's if it's something that I make and we

570
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: that night, my assistant Barbara goes home and makes it

571
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: for her family. I think, yes, that was a great recipe. Um.

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00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: If if I make something and three quarters of the

573
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: way through I get bored with it, it goes in

574
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Speaker 1: the trash and never makes it in a book, it

575
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Speaker 1: has to be something I'm willing to make again for company.

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Speaker 1: Let me pick up mine on something Brian said. Because

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Speaker 1: I do try to entertain and what I find myself

578
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Speaker 1: totally pittying out about which is so appealing, and talking

579
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: about cooking is getting everything ready at once, and I'm

580
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: so bad at that, Like I can do most of it,

581
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: but then I panic at the end. Well that's part

582
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: of the deal too. I mean, it's not like I

583
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: don't either. Jeffrey knows in the fifteen minutes before people arrived,

584
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm always going to talk to me, do you do

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Speaker 1: you try to do dishes that I'll tell you what

586
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I try and do. I try and do something that's

587
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: in the oven, something that's on top of the stoves

588
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: and they're not competing with each other, and something I

589
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: made an advance that um is served room temperature so

590
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: that you don't have to think about having all those

591
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: things hot at the same time. That's that's good advice.

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00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: So it's really about the planning more than it is

593
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Speaker 1: the doing. It's if you plan it and you say UM,

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00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and you plan it carefully, you don't end up with

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00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: one of and and two things that go in a

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00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: different temperatures. But that goes back to the you know

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: what I call the game plan. And if you do

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Speaker 1: the game plan and you figure it out so like

599
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you plant your dinner parties like the Normandy invasion, which

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Speaker 1: are very helpful. Actually, you know, every time people come

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Speaker 1: for dinner, and I have a whole written list of

602
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: like seven ten, put the ham in the oven, seven thirty,

603
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: take the ham out, put the broccoli, and then I

604
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: don't go at at noon. I'm I'm not panicking. I

605
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: should start cooking now. No, I'm not. I shouldn't start

606
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Speaker 1: cooking because my list says it starts at five thirty.

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00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: That's really that's really smart. It's pretty simple. But it's

608
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: such a great way to organize yourself. But you can

609
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: also start in the morning if you want to make

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00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: like a water or melon and fedan mint salad or

611
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: whatever you might do, and you can do it and

612
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: put it in the reference. It's actually better because all

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00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the flavors get to get YEA. So beyond the cookbooks

614
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: and the TV show, you briefly had a line of products,

615
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: both frozen foods and mixes did and then those kind

616
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: of came and went well for different reasons. But I

617
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: love the products. I was really proud of what we did.

618
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: But the companies changed, and um, we didn't. We didn't

619
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Speaker 1: love the way the direction of the companies were going

620
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: in and I just I love what I do. I

621
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: love the cookbooks, I love the TV show, I love

622
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: um having a life, having time left off life, and uh,

623
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Speaker 1: I just if it's not making me happy, I don't

624
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: want to do it. I think that's a really powerful

625
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: lesson from your life for other people. You you edit,

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00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I did constantly, and you just think, if I'm not

627
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: enjoying this part of my life, I'm going to get

628
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: rid of it. If it doesn't make me happy, it's

629
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: not gonna make anybody else happy. I think it's um

630
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: that really translate. And if I don't have time to

631
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: do things gonna say, I think it's this much about

632
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: spreading yourself too thin. I went to this meditation retreat.

633
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: I know you're learning so much about people. I didn't

634
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: really stick, but they told us that the Maharishi's that

635
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: he said, what do you think the most important word

636
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: for happy life is no, no peacefulness, no discernment. Discernment

637
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: isn't that interesting? So deciding what is important, deciding how

638
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Speaker 1: you're going to spend your time, And clearly you practice

639
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: that by saying I don't want to do so much

640
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: that perhaps it'll keep me from doing the things I love. Well, yeah, yeah,

641
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: that's exactly I mean, he said that I'd like you

642
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: to bring back the scone mix. I'll make some mix

643
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: for you and I'll drop it off. That's well, that's

644
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was really proud of those products.

645
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: I thought we did a really good job and we

646
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: worked really hard on them. But unless the company is

647
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: going to stay with the quality of what we wanted

648
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: to do, then it doesn't work. But you talk about

649
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: how people come to you all the time with this

650
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: proposals and you say no to almost all of them. Yeah,

651
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I say no almost all of them. I mean, people

652
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: wanted me to design a line of clothing. I'm like,

653
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I wear the same thing every day. They did want

654
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: you to do. Somebody want to make a clothing. Somebody

655
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: wanted me to do furniture. I'm like, furniture, well, I

656
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: think you know what they wanted to do in it,

657
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: which I think you see more and more of these days.

658
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: They wanted you to be a lifestyle brand, and you

659
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: see so many people becoming from Jessica Alba to Race

660
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Witherspoon Paltrow the ultimate lifestyle brand, and that just didn't

661
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: appeal to you. I just I mean, I loved as

662
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: you say, I love doing what I do really well

663
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: and having life, you know, just having a wonderful Somebody

664
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: asked me if I would do a line of fertilizer,

665
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: did you say, just go to a cow past ship, Like,

666
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: why would I do? Do you do you think of yourself?

667
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: And it's different from fertilizer to you? Do you do? You?

668
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: I consider yourself a feminist. You're a powerful working woman.

669
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: I yeah, I do. Um I think that. Um My.

670
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: When I left working in the White House, I knew

671
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I was never going to be the head of that organization.

672
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: This was the seventies. It was never going to happen.

673
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: And the only way that I was going to determine

674
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: my own future was to do it myself. And so

675
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: I think my decision to own my own business was

676
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: part of that. Is that and I think a lot

677
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of women fight with the existing system

678
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: rather than creating their own system. And amen to that, sister,

679
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: don't you think? So you can't change the system, and

680
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: maybe you can move it a little bit, but it's

681
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: very hard to change. And so I've always chosen to

682
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: to create my own system in I can be successful.

683
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: And I think you were ahead of your time, because

684
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: now I think there's a much more entrepreneurial attitude among people,

685
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and obviously we all know whole new businesses are popping

686
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: up because of technology, and women are very successful in corporations.

687
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: But in the seventies that's not true. That wasn't true, right,

688
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: But even now, Uh, you look at the number of

689
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: CEOs and the fortune five hundred and spathetically small. If

690
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: you look at you know, of course it is women,

691
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: and the women's pretty well not right. If you look

692
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: at women actually in tech and high positions in tech,

693
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: it's actually dis worse and so um, yes, it's gotten

694
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: perhaps better, but in many ways the obstacles are still there.

695
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of subtle sexism too in

696
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: the workplace that can be very demoralizing at times. But

697
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's people. I'm saving that from my book

698
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: the next podcast. But it's interesting. You're rand is kind

699
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: of a combination of the old fashioned and the modern.

700
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: You're you're cooking for your husband. Your latest book was

701
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: called Cooking for Jeffrey. But at the same time, you're

702
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: a powerful, independent female business owner, thank you. So it's

703
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: interesting I think that people can can have both and

704
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: can can sort of reflect their values in a multitude

705
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: of different ways. Well, I think Jeffrey's advice really was

706
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: great is do what you love and if you love it,

707
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: you'll be very good at it. But it's not it's

708
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: not without risk. And we got a voicemail from someone,

709
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: It's a very sweet voicemail who wanted to talk to

710
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: you about your decision to really switch career. So let's

711
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: listen and you can respond. Hi, Katie and Brian. My

712
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: name is Kendra. I live in North Carolina and I

713
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: have a new listener to your show and love it

714
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: so much. And then I heard you were going to

715
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: have Find a Garden on the show, which made me

716
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: jump up and down. Um I have a question for

717
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: her about her relationship with risk. I'm all is moved

718
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: by women who make choices that are daring, who are troublazers,

719
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: who do things that they might fail at, especially in

720
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: the public eye. And so I I would love to

721
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: know Dina's thoughts on her journey, the evolution of her

722
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: journey of risk and failure when she opened that first

723
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: shop in the Hanton years ago and up to now. Um,

724
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: I would love to just open her head and write

725
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: out what she thinks about risk to inspire me to

726
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: not be so free, So please change my life. I

727
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: thank you. Guys. We don't want to open up your

728
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: head because that sounds very uncomfortable. But you know, I

729
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: think people um stand at the side of the pond

730
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: talking about what the pond is. Is it too hot?

731
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: Is it too cold? Is it deep? Is it all

732
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the things are there? Think murky things under there? Um,

733
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: I think that you have to just jump in the

734
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: pond and answer to Kendra. Um. I have a very

735
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: low threshold of boredom. If I'm bored, I need to

736
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: change things. And I just I can't stand being bored,

737
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: and so I'll take a risk which heightens your awareness

738
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: of what you're doing. It makes you a little scared,

739
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: and you know that. I think that's good being a

740
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: little scared, because if it keeps you up at night,

741
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: you'll figure out the problems. But when you're jumping in

742
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: the pond, it's not that you're just going to stay

743
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: in that pond. That's just the beginning of it. It's

744
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: then you look over there and you go the ponds

745
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: really interesting over there. So you go in that direction

746
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: and then you go in another direction. And you keep

747
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: going until you find the stream that feels right to you.

748
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: So it's not a one time thing. It's just you're

749
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: just pushing yourself off the cliff and going where it

750
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: takes you. And even and I like being scared, and

751
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: and and also I think failure is not the worst things.

752
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: If something doesn't work out, you learn from it and

753
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: it helps you move forward in a different way. Don't

754
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: you think I just calling it a failure is the

755
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: wrong way to think about it. It's just a lesson learned,

756
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: and you go and and then you find out what

757
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: worked in that and what didn't work, and then you

758
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: go to the thing that worked or the thing that

759
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: you liked and go in that direction. You're right, we

760
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 1: need to we need to redefine failure to stop using

761
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: the effort. I want to ask you a question about

762
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: all those years before you ventured off on your own

763
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: as a cookbook writer and a TV star. You know,

764
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: you you were owning and operating this shop. You were

765
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: kind of serving wealthy summer residents, and you became part

766
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: of the community of people who live here year round,

767
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: who don't have mansions on the ocean. Did that teach

768
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: you something about inequality or divides in the country because

769
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: you've been able to sort of traverse both those worlds.

770
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: While East Hampton is not just wealthy people with big

771
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: houses on the ocean. Their farmers and fishermen and builders

772
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and all the trades that exist anywhere else are here. Um.

773
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: I think East Hampton has gotten I mean, the Hampton's

774
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: have gotten a reputation from you know TV shows as

775
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: being just you know, well healthy people behaving badly. Um.

776
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a you know, it's it's

777
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: like any community. There's a broad spectrum of people that

778
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: live here, and they all love coconut cupcakes, and so

779
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: it's you know, the price of admission to bear for

780
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: Contesta with zero you can wander through and have some

781
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: samples of coconut cupcakes and and and be out on

782
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: the street. Or you can buy a baguette for a

783
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: few dollars and have a wonderful time. So they're like

784
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: everyday pleasures. It's not like, um, you know, buying a

785
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: mansion on the beach. So I think, you know, food

786
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: appeals to everybody, and I like that kind of feeling

787
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: about it. There's an expression these days. I think my

788
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: daughter taught me food porn, and when it comes to

789
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: things like Instagram and even the various food networks, there's

790
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: something so mesmerizing about watching people cook and make food.

791
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: And I could watch some of these videos on Instagram

792
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: and we don't love them. Yeah, I mean all day long.

793
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: Many people watch these videos. Would never cook what they're watching, No,

794
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: but it's just so much fun. Why do you think

795
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: people are so Do you think it's escapism in a

796
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: weird way? Ina, I think that we all long for

797
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: that mother who's in the kitchen cooking for us, and

798
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: she's not there anymore. And there's that center where somebody's

799
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: rolling out pasta or cooking roasting a chicken, and she's

800
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: a doctor and a lawyer and a you know, you know,

801
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: doing podcasts. Someone say more um, and so that sort

802
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: of core of us is missing. That is mom home

803
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: in the kitchen that we're familiar with, and I think

804
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: people are coming back to that. And I think Food

805
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Network had a huge amount to do with it. There's

806
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: so many chefs, celebrity chefs out there. Do you ever

807
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: get competitive? Is there a bitchy side to Ina Garten?

808
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: Please tell me there is? Thank you. Brian's true I've

809
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: actually never looked at what other people are doing. I

810
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: just look at what I'm doing and do the best

811
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I can. I just, I mean, i'd like to. There's

812
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: there's an edge there, but is that true? I don't

813
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: want to. Somebody once said, you're exactly the way you're

814
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: on TV. Your language is a little worse. But you

815
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: were reluctant to host a cooking show you had written,

816
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: I think your second cookbook, and the Food Network came

817
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: to you and you didn't really want to do it.

818
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I just couldn't you know. I had gotten

819
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: used to writing cookbooks. I love doing it. I wasn't bored,

820
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: so I wasn't looking for something else. And they kept

821
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: coming back over and over again and saying, please, won't

822
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: you do it? And they kept upping the offer, and

823
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not negotiating. I don't want to do it.

824
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: Just lose my number. And they found a production company

825
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: in London whose work I loved um but it was

826
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: Nigella Lawson's show. But I'm thinking, I'm not jeal a

827
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: loss and I can't do that, And and they hired

828
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: them and called me and said they're coming to your

829
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: house in two weeks to do the show. I said,

830
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not doing it, and I said, oh,

831
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: just do thirteen shows. And I thought, well, I'll be terrible.

832
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: I'll do thirteen shows and then we'll be done with

833
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: it and I'll lose my number. So that two years ago,

834
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and now you have a whole barn on your property

835
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: and that's where you shoot your most Mostly what I

836
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: do is cook tester. I mean that's my office. That's

837
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: where we meet every morning and we test recipes for

838
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: the cookbooks and then twice a year we do the

839
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: TV shows there. So and we're actually just doing a

840
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: new series which starts I think the end of May.

841
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Um please plug it. As as people are going more

842
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: towards like food, food, porn and game shows, we're going

843
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: in the other direction. And I'm doing a series called

844
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: cook Like a Pro, which is all those sort of

845
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: little tips you need to know, like how to cut

846
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: a butternut squash in the best way and how to

847
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: how to do there. It's recipes, but more information than

848
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: just tips. It's about processes that interesting would be interested

849
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Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, definitely, yeah, because those kinds of tips,

850
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: then you know it and it can serve you sort

851
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: of the rest of your life, and you have to

852
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: come up with a new show. Someone's in the kitchen

853
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: with Aina in the kitchen, people are someone's in the

854
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: kitchen with and you can some sombled eggs with truffles ambrios.

855
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: This is kind of our tradition. By the way, every

856
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: thing on every podcast now, the audience demands it. If

857
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: we go an episode without singing, they get annoyed. So

858
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: give the people what they want. So in addition to

859
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: all the things that you're doing, Aina, are there other

860
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: things about you that people don't know, issues that you

861
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: care about, things that you talk about with your friends

862
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: that are important to you. But one of the things

863
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about is um is organizations

864
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: that happen. I think elliots with one of working with

865
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Speaker 1: the sudden poverty carry actually my younger daughters working with

866
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Speaker 1: the centers, And I mean organizations that help people locally

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Speaker 1: and nationally, like the a c l u UM with

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Speaker 1: immigrants that have issues. And I think there's so many

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00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: incredible support systems in this country, and I think it's

870
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: it's getting harder and harder to rely on the government

871
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: to fund them, so people have to We really need to.

872
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I've been involved in the Innocence Project is which is

873
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: I think they do an amazing job, isn't it. I mean,

874
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: my witness testimony is so unreliable and so many people

875
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: have been convicted of things they didn't do. And so

876
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: that's that's one issue you really care about. Are there

877
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: are there others that you spend a lot of time on?

878
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's so many organizations that UM

879
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: need help. UM. I mean I support Plan Parenthood. I think, um,

880
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: they do an amazing job, and I know they're under

881
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: enormous stress now. Um, And frankly, people don't understand that.

882
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, like of what they do as women's health,

883
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a very important organization for women

884
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: that can't afford good doctors. And the thing that is

885
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: so political is a very very small part of what

886
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: they do. And the money that they get from the

887
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: government already cannot go to fund abortion services. People don't

888
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: understand that. But how do you get your news? I'm

889
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: just curious. That's interesting. Um, New York Times, Washington Post online,

890
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: both hard copy and online. I think it's a different experience. UM.

891
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I still like, I do you know why I just

892
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: like the I'd like to see the layout because it

893
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: tells me a lot about the editorial choices that have

894
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: been made in terms of how they prioritize articles. I

895
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: totally agree with you. Yeah, I feel if I don't

896
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: get the hard copy, I miss stuff for whatever reason.

897
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Because online is so targeted to my interests, I can't

898
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: find the unexpected thing. But I'm like the only one

899
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: know I know. Under forty I have the body of year.

900
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: Do not stop saying that, well, this has been such

901
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: a treat for us. It's really been, and I think

902
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: you know it must be. I don't know. Do you

903
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: get uncomfortable about the fact that there are so many

904
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: people who feel connected to you and admire you so much?

905
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: And I think in many ways I feel that your

906
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: presence is really comforting to them. Thank you. That's wonderful,

907
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: you know that. I know. I love as Brian said,

908
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: that you know people how to cook, because when you cook,

909
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: everybody shows up. I mean, nobody's ever called and said

910
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: come for dinner, I'm cooking and said no, no, no,

911
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I really don't want a home cook meal. But when

912
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: everybody shows up, that's when you create a community for yourself.

913
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: And so it's not really about the food, although it's nice,

914
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: if it's delicious, it's really about the people that share

915
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: it with you. Are you and Martha Stewart buds? I

916
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: mean we've been we've known each other for a really

917
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, we used to do parties together. Actually

918
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: one time we do benefits together. Really one time Martha

919
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: made a ham and brought it on the Today Show

920
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: and after the segment, I asked our food crew if

921
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: I could take the ham, and uh so I ended

922
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: up serving it for Easter and it was a big

923
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: conversation piece. It must have been a really good ham.

924
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Was a really good ham. It was a really good ham. Anyway,

925
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: we'll speaking of really good hands. Yours is in the oven.

926
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: We don't want to keep you too long because it

927
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: is Easter and you have to prepare for Easter dinner.

928
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: But thank you. I know this was such a such

929
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: a tree. Really happy East, Happy Easter, too happy over

930
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: whatever your Spring Awakening holiday is, happily, have a wonderful time.

931
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: And just when we thought we got everything, who walks

932
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: in the door but Jeffrey Garden in the flesh and

933
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: uh and in the sweatpants and of course we got

934
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: to talk to the man, not I guess behind the woman. Yeah,

935
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, are you nice to see you? I'm good?

936
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: How are you? This was such a treat. So we've

937
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: been talking about you, Jeffrey. Yes, we have all things,

938
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: these two. This show was going to be called Aina

939
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: and Jeffrey the real story. Well, I don't think that

940
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: was in the contract. Do you feel like, Jeffrey, you

941
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: finally learned to cook be marre to this wonderful woman

942
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: all these years. You're kidding, right, It makes really good coffee.

943
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: I have a very lame excuse that we were married

944
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: so young. With the exception of my time in the army,

945
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: I never lived alone, so I never had a chance

946
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: to cook. She preempted from the very everybody. Sorry for Jeffrey.

947
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: And when you were in the military, by the way,

948
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: you know we know too much about you. Learned to

949
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: speak THI, Yes he did. He lived in Can you

950
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: say something to me in Thai? Well you wouldn't understand.

951
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: That's okay. Anyway, Well, we've got so much fun. This

952
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: has been really, really a treat. Thanks very much to

953
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: Aina Garten for opening up her home and her heart

954
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: to us. But it is a beautiful on a beautiful

955
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Sunday morning with the sun coming through Sunday. That's right,

956
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: the sun coming through the windows and the birds chirping,

957
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: and it was just idyllic. Also thanks to Gianna Palmer

958
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: for producing the show, to Jared O'Connell for mixing and engineering,

959
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: or Richie for additional production assistance. And thanks also to

960
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: our social media Maven. I think that has that on

961
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: her card, Alison Bresnick social media, Maven and your cards

962
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: bad that's right and right my new cards. And to

963
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: Emily Beena for her part in producing. And I should

964
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Speaker 1: add one thing, Katie, thank you for cooking us an

965
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: amazing dinner last night, maybe inspired by I know a

966
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: little bit. You made this leg of lamb and lemon

967
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: pasta and asparagus and cupcakes and hala and halla for

968
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: those of us who are celebrating the Paysach as well

969
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: as the Easter, and you put us all up at

970
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: your beautiful house last night. Well, it was a lot

971
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: of fun. And that's a train in the background. Everybody,

972
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: we're right near the tracks and cars on the wrong

973
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: side of the tracks. And Mark Phillips, thank you as

974
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: always for our wonderful theme music. Katie Kirk, Mitch Semmil

975
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: and I are our executive producers. And remember you can

976
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: email us at comments at currect podcast dot com, or

977
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: you can find me on social media. I'm Katie Couric

978
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram and Katie dot Kurric on Snapchat.

979
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: And Brian you're on social media as well, primarily Twitter, Twitter,

980
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: Goldsmith be on Twitter, and best of all, you can

981
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: rate and review our show on what is now known

982
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: as Apple podcast used to be iTunes. iTunes is so March,

983
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: It's so yesterday, April is all about Apple Podcasts. Don't

984
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: forget to subscribe to the show as well. That's how

985
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: more people can find it. And we'll talk to you

986
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: next time. Thanks for listening.