WEBVTT - My Momma Told Me, With Langston Kerman and David Gborie 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.159 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:27.760 Hello, welcome back to the show. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.319 My name is Matt, my name is Noel. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.160 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:37.120 super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan and you are you. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.320 You are here that makes this the stuff they don't 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.600 want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist, we have something 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.040 special in store. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:45.880 For you this evening. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.120 We are joined with Get This guys, not one, but 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.440 two special guests, Langston Kerman and David Borie. These are 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.720 the writers, the actors, the comedians, the creators also of 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.880 one of our favorite podcasts on the planet, No Smoke. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.560 My mama told me, guys, thanks for coming on the show. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:05.399 What an intro, What a time. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.600 You know, we we we joked around last time we 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.319 hung out with you guys that we listened to your 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.720 show in the car and like we literally actually do 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.920 and it's it's so much fun to almost talk with 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.679 you guys. And because you bring up some topics you 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.520 I heard you all talking about sprite the other day 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:31.839 on one of your mother Freaking mini episodes. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.720 I have a nine year old, so I gotta be 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:34.600 real careful about. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.520 But dude, David, you you brought up randomly Edward Burnees 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.880 and I was just sitting there just going like, man, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.000 how did David find out about Edward Burnees? A lot 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.520 of people don't know about this person, like man, the myth, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:47.920 the leg. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.480 Oh yeah, I'm a weird guy. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.440 Know, it's so wonderful that was also a weird guy 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:54.960 he is. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.320 Yeah, is there a part of you that's like simultaneously 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.960 impressed by the guy while also realizing that his legacy 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.000 is one of terror? 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.080 And how could you not be impressed by the man's 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.320 work the things he did, like how he got women 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:12.280 to start smoking cigarets. Yes, obviously terrible, but pretty cool story. 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.800 So the American people trash meets and called it breakfasts, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:17.200 you know. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.720 And then he was like, yeah, Bacon worked out let's 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:20.880 overthrow Guatemala. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:22.360 Yeah. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.440 Yeah, you seem to not know who Edward was. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.880 And I remain not that word up on Edward, And 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.520 so I'm excited to hear all of his antics listed 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.919 in bullet point structure. I mean check it. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:46.080 Out and we have returned. I'm going to be honest 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.200 you guys, I am much more excited to have you 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.720 all on our show than Edward Bernese. As Matt mentioned, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.600 he is one of the first sith Lords that we 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.160 learned about, godfather of. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.200 P r H the first episode of the podcast. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.639 Yep and wha yeah, the book Propaganda available online. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.560 I seem like a great place to start, though. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.960 I mean, you know, since we've got two folks, one 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.079 who's getting into it more familiar and then Lengthston maybe 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.320 you're a little less familiar. But I mean the idea 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.280 of this dude who basically invented advertising, Like, how could 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.480 he not be like a sith lord type figure given 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.800 the way things have gone in terms of like, you know, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.560 capitalism and just the absolute explosion of you know, consumer culture. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.560 Yeah, I mean, I don't. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.639 Want you guys to feel bad. I'm also the nephew 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:35.800 of Freud, so. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.240 I only forgot about that, all right. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.800 I think we got in the podcast. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.400 Have not yet begun to podcast. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.000 But I mean just the idea of like weaponizing psychology, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.880 you know, to convince people that they need something that 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.240 they maybe don't need. I mean I guess there is 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.520 a place for advertising where it can be a good thing. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.000 But do you guys have thoughts on just the nature 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:01.800 of advertising. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.800 I'd say that, and I don't think I'm speaking out 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.400 a term when I say this. I would say that 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.960 about eighty percent of the conspiracies we unpack on the 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:16.839 podcast tend to circle back to some version of capitalist structures, 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.880 basically being a poison that led to all of it. Like, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.720 there is very there are very few conspiracies that you 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.000 can't just point at the richest man in the room 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.480 and be like, well, he did it. That was him 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.039 that did that. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:31.760 Us. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.240 I don't know how to convince y'all to join me 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.320 in murdering him, but certainly that's the guy that did it. 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.599 And there are more of us, yeah, and. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:40.920 A lot more. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.039 Firstly, I want to say that my mama told me 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.080 pod is brought to you by Oscar Meyer. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.000 Trash meat. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.280 That's actually one hundred percent, and we got to get 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.520 that in there. We have gift cards to prove it. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:57.520 Amazing. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.680 I never got mine because I didn't want my name 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.360 on the me. But no, there. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.440 There are so many lists out there that you can man, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.440 I can't even remember the episode you guys were just 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.080 talking about getting on a list. It was really recent. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.360 I've got in my notes somewhere, but just leak, right, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:18.680 I think that was it. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:19.479 That was it? 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.320 Oh sure, yeah, now that Chase leak was fast. I 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:24.800 don't know if you guys have covered it on the 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:29.360 podcast at all, but it's it's insane that they even 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:30.200 called it a leak. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.040 Everybody, yeah, social security number, yeah. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.080 Because the leak implies that there was stuff left over 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.520 that did not get leaked as well. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.200 Or even it implies that there's like there's a winnable 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.560 game inside of this, that this this was a happy accident. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.800 Like there are times where like these airlines years ago, 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.520 it happens far less frequently now where like airlines would 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.280 mess up and you could like fly to Dubai for 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.159 one hundred and fifty dollars, you had to scramble to 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.800 get the tickets. They would immediately fix it and there 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.279 was no accountability on the other end. This was not 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:12.600 an accident. This was this was clearly just misinformation that 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.040 was leading people to commit check fraud. It's insane. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:18.400 Oh yeah, yeah, just. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.760 For context, it was you would you would write a 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.880 checkout to yourself for a crazy amount of money that 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.240 you do not have, deposit it and immediately take a 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.520 bunch of that, if not all of that, cash out 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.159 as much as you could, basically like walking into a 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.039 bank to do it too, not at an ATM or something. Sure, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.960 And then Chase was like, oh, by the way, we have. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.520 A lot of money to suit everybody. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.680 We we knew we set it up that way. We 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.680 didn't think you dumb dumbs would get this excited about it, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.880 but we certainly are going to take all our money back. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.880 It's like, don't eat tidepods. They look delicious, but you 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.520 were dumb enough to eat it. Yeah, don't have the time. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.000 I agree, Like the burden is on the consumer there, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.320 you know, Like if you hear about a get rich 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.520 quick scheme and it's everywhere, then that's more like a 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.320 I'm going to get you. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.120 If you hear about a get rich quick scheme and 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.520 it involves one of the three largest banks in the 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:22.000 world from tread lightly, go ahead and back up a 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.600 little bit there, big dog, What are we talking about? 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.720 Why do you say the retide pods? 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.080 I think it's no coincidence that Baja Blast is as 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.320 popular as it is. People just like things that are 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.880 toilet bowl cleaner colored. I personally do. I like Smurf gummies. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.880 I'm a big fan of stuff that turns my weird colors. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.840 The podcast, I love the color blue as something to ingest. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:50.480 Yes, blue foods, Yeah, drinks mostly guys. 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.480 The die is probably fine for you. I'm certain. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.840 One of the things we landed on in the podcast 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.120 was that, uh, there is no natural occurring blue. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.120 In my labor. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:01.840 Do you know what I mean? 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.720 Like, yeah, that is not what god. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.120 Blue raspberry, that's naturally occurring fruit. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.000 That's why they have to hit you with qualifiers like electric. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.280 Exactly right, or like how juicy fruit is based on 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.520 a flavor that does not naturally occur. So they talked 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.760 with their legal department and they said, well, what can 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.560 we call it won't get us sued. And we're talking 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.280 conspiracies and we we haven't we haven't really talked yet 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:35.000 about you all show. Now we've been on your show before, Langston, 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.120 you came over here a while back. Could you tell 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.360 us a little bit of the origin story of my 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.680 mama told me? What is it? How did you all meet? 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.040 And dare I say conspire? Yeah? 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.439 We conspire bi weekly, I would say, no twice a 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:59.920 week at this point to achieve the podcast is about 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:05.479 black conspiracy theories specifically. I think we were very motivated 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.160 by sort of taking obviously larger conversations about conspiracy, but 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.880 really centering the black experience and black sort of like 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.840 perspective in all of that. And I was very fortunate 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.480 to kick this bad Boy off. But Bory has been 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.719 on board for now two years, and we just we 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.280 like sort of like all this the fun little nuance 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.040 that you get out of just the added racial tint 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.120 to that bad Boy. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.880 There's nothing better. I know, Sorry David, I mean, it's 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.120 stepping your toes here, but there's nothing better than the 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.400 opening of y'all show when you you make something up 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:51.000 at the very top about this so much fun. I 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:52.800 love that party, I love it. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.440 That's all true, but yeah, that's a good time. We 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.560 just liked, uh adding the racial aspect. It just makes 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.560 you more scared of things you were already scared of, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.920 And who doesn't want to do that on a podcast? 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:10.319 To get scared? 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.200 I mean, I think we try to do on this 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.920 show is not to necessarily intentionally freak people out too much, 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.520 just like to look at a thing, talk about who's 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.760 saying the thing, where it might have come from, look 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.000 at the science, look at what the Internet's saying, and 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.480 then just have a talk about it. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:25.679 Because a lot of this stuff, at the end of 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.439 the day is sort of. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.280 Thought experiments, and it's like it fascinates us on a 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.760 fundamental human level, and I think. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.400 That's what makes the conversations worth listening to. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.040 You know, I have long equated conspiracy theory to a 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:45.120 version of, like, dude, fan fiction, you know what I mean. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.120 It's just straight man fan fiction where you are obsessed 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.320 with an idea and you start to create your own 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.000 stories and that idea and some of those stories are 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.560 completely in cannon and are correct, and then some of 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.000 them shits are truly you just going Dragon Ball heroes 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.880 with that bad boy. You know, nobody even knows what 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.400 this is, but you're just making up stuff and we 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.480 know why because you care about it a lot. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:08.920 Dude. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.240 I've got a dragon Ball one like this for you 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.400 guys on a mini episode you just did. It's the 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.760 one where you mentioned Edward Burnees and it was about 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.760 McDonald's and Sprite specifically. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.800 I want you guys to know how wide of a 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:27.240 ray of topics we cover. The episode really covered a 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:28.280 lot of ground. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.600 I'm sorry this one in particular, you guys had a 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.280 discussion about. It was Sam I think, wrote in with 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.160 an email about, Hey, did you guys notice that McDonald 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.240 seems to pair their chicken products with sprite and they're 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.439 like Burger products with coke or you know, a soda 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.840 that's got other stuff in it. And as you guys 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.360 are going through it, it made me think about our 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.680 discussion about mountain dew and surge and all that stuff 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.640 that we talked about back in the day, speaking of 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.160 the strangely colored drinks that we ingested, especially as younger folks. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.360 But then it got me to thinking, Okay, of those 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.480 two drinks, they are pretty much the same thing, right. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.839 This is corn syrup, a little bit of flavoring, some 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.560 soda water basically, But one of those drinks has an 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.600 added thing in it that the other one doesn't have, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:16.560 coke versus sprite. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.600 Coke has caffeine in it. Yeah, and which made me. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.720 Think, is there a reason why somebody would want to 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.440 get caffeine in the white people and not in the 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:33.840 black people. But think about it, it's it's a it's 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.760 a stimulant. It's been used as a stimulant for so long. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.119 And what is sugar doo if not make you drowsy 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.640 and like kind of out of it? And I'm telling you, 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.800 I don't know. The more I thought about it as 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.400 you guys were talking about it, I was like, wait 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.640 a minute, Mountain dew was aimed so squarely at white 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.200 kids too early on. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.320 I don't know, just it got me thinking, No, I. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.160 Really like this train of thought. I think frankly, Uh, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.960 it took me a second to remember that sprite is decaffeinated. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:04.760 Uh. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.480 And and more than that, I think it is very 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.679 much pitched as a caffeinated drink. Like a lot of 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.360 their their imagery is like dudes playing basketball. Yeah, and 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:21.079 like in the studio it's like, oh, like this is 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.040 like a party drink. Therefore it would have caffeine, it 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.240 would keep me up and ship. But nah, yeah, there's 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.600 a reason they're not. They don't want us caffeinated. That 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:30.439 feels crazy. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.640 It's interesting because now when I really kind of expanded 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.560 look on it. Hey, there's no black energy drinks. No, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.520 And I don't even think they pitch us coffee that hard. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.680 I'm telling you, but Oregon. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.679 Hawaiian punch, Like just think about all of those products. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.760 I don't know, do you guys something there? 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:57.240 Do you guys remember justa. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.280 That was a kind of a it had like a 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.280 panther on you know, I mean you think was that 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:03.720 geared towards black folks? 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.000 Do you think? Or I don't. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.720 I think it was more towards Africans look. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:12.560 Fairs, just the branding of it Africans and SKA bands. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.719 I would say, yeah, now people will tell you that's 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.160 a limited demographic. Hear us out, Yeah. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.560 Listen, you only need one thousand hardcore fans. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.360 I would like to propose a quick just Devil's advocate 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.120 perspective on the Sprite burger chicken argument. Don't you think 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.320 it's maybe also maybe it's an aesthetic choice because like 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.080 sprite is clear and chicken is kind of white, and 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.200 burgers are brown and coke is brown. Just in terms 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.000 of the replacement in the ad. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.480 It's also is pairing is the thing? 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.360 Yeah? 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.600 Just technically, Well, you guys talked about the colors on 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.640 the bottles, right, So like Sprite had that green color 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.480 and that was different from the red color that was 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.280 on a lot of the coke products and just I 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.520 don't know, there's there's all kinds of psychology stuff going 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:54.920 into that. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.400 Again, that's why I love listening to y'all show. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.960 But even as you guys are saying it's a better pair, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.920 a part of me and this is me being the 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.560 antagonist that I am, A part of me want wonders 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.320 how much of that is just coaching, right that historically 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.600 we are told red wine with red meat and that 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.400 is the best flavor palette pairing whatever. But like, is 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.960 it or is that just what we've been programmed to 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.840 understand because culturally it's correct, its effect. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.520 Too, right, I mean, if you believe it, then maybe 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.040 you're like on board already mentally from the start, and 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.240 then you're like, hell, yeah, that's the best and nothing else. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.520 I do feel like pairs well with poultry though. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:41.880 Yeah, I don't know, but but that sounds like you 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.640 would not squeeze a lemon on a steak. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.320 That occurred to me the other day. It's not a 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.400 thing that people do, but maybe it'd be delicious. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.240 It sounds like something maybe your boy Eddie burns. Uh. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.000 This is this is something I think too, that hits 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.480 on the the crux of the explorations we have on 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:11.040 our shows, because you guys are top tier comics, you 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.880 stand up comics, and you're also some of the sharpest 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.840 people in this space. Not that our space is tough 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:23.720 to be, you know, shout out to a well. But 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.640 there's there's this thing I've been thinking about. We'd love 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:33.400 your thoughts here. What do conspiracies and comedy have in common? 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.920 Because like conspiracies, as you said, kind of dude fan fiction. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.920 I would say also we could argue their folklore in 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.520 many ways, and it appears that, like you were saying Langston, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.600 a conspiracy kind of aggregates facts and then attempts to 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.760 reframe them in an unexpected way that purports to explain everything. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.800 And when we're watching, when we're watching you guys on stage, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.959 we're watching like the new a special you have David, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.040 The Birth of a Nation GB I R T H. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.240 Watching Bad Poetry just came out on Netflix. There's a 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.520 lot of thought you guys put into structuring, right a story, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.480 reframing things. So is there anything in common between conspiracies 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:22.040 and comedy. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.640 I mean, I think it. I think it definitely comes 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.320 from the same place right. I think a lot of 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.960 it is rooted somewhere in truth. I think a lot 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:35.800 of it is trying to understand your surroundings, you know 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.080 what I mean, trying to put things in a way 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.320 that you can understand and that you can tell to 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.920 other people. So I think that well, not funny. I 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:45.920 think they parallel pretty well. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.080 I also think there's a not necessarily even in a 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.159 sinister way, there's a ton of manipulation in comedy. Like 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.320 the entire art form that David and I participate in 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.919 is largely trying to manipulate strangers into feeling endeared to 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.959 us almost immediately. And we recognize that some of that 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.560 is like controlling the narrative that I'm sharing about myself 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.680 and how I share it about myself, And so it 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.280 isn't meant to be evil, or at least I hope 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.280 it's not evil, but it certainly is. I ain't telling 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.159 you my worst qualities on stage. I'm telling you the 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.840 funniest of my worst qualities on stage. The ones that 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.159 aren't funny I keep private because otherwise the show doesn't 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.240 go as well as I would have. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.080 It is funny to see, like somebody somebody stand up 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:42.120 act multiple times and realize that it is a performance 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.840 and that things are repeated, and the idea is to 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.920 make it seem like you're doing it for the first time. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.360 And there's a little tricker even in that, but it's 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.280 just the name of the game, and it's like we 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.359 sign up to be manipulated like that, you know. I 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.720 think it's totally like part for the course. I think 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.560 I'm totally fine with that, but it is odd when 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.359 you see behind the curtain a little bit of almost feel, oh, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.720 they weren't talking just to me that one time, you know. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.680 Yeah, I think that's also the shitty thing that society 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.760 has done to all of us, where we were demanding 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.840 that we not be sheep. Right that nobody wants to be. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.240 We all want to be completely wide eyed to everything 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:22.000 that's happening around us, but human nature requires us to 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.359 be sheep. Sometimes it's okay to sort of be manipulated. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:31.640 I love Magic Show because so much a man tricks 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.080 me into believing that the card wasn't where the card was, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.760 and I love that so much. And the idea that 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.640 people can't just accept that, like, hey, we're not supposed 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.119 to know everything. Some things are supposed to be magic 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.240 and manipulation is sad. It's so cynical. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:54.359 Hi, not everybody can get rich. A lot of us 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.600 are sheep. That's just that's just the nature of it. Man. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.440 Yeah, that's exactly what they want you to say. Come on, man, if. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.679 We if we insisted on complete transparency, we couldn't enjoy movies. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.800 We couldn't every movie we dissect it, we'd be this 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.600 is a lie. Yeah, I mean it's come on, it's 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.240 no fun. Nobody wants to live like that. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.040 And it is small talk with the German. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.760 Well, I'm not gonna go on that is that what 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.719 you I'm just leaving that one there, but it is. 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:25.920 I mean, you see it on Twitter all the time, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.520 where like a genuine, like exciting thing will happen and 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.040 within months there are people unpacking why that thing wasn't 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.760 real or isn't fun whatever, And it's like, I don't know, man, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.680 let's go back to at least a taste of whimsy 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:44.240 where we're you know, can come out and we don't. Yeah, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.080 taste of whimsy. I'll be selling it after the the 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:48.800 on the live shows. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.760 Oh yeah, did you guys have merch now too? 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.639 Yeah? 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:53.040 Cool? 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:59.320 New merch website too that I'd never heard of before. Really, yeah, no, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:20:59.800 it's not. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.159 Taste of whimsy like you're saying. I think that's a 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.080 valuable point, because you know, I will say this. It 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.520 may be a hot take, a type of take. I'm 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:16.040 not sure, but I don't think human brains were prepared 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:21.960 for just the the endless, always on communication, right, not 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.399 just the possibility of it, but also the responsibilities that 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.200 have been kind of non consensually foisted on people. We're 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.320