Speaker 1: But we have an incredible guest, Ed McCaffrey, coach McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: CMC's father, my very first action figure as a kid.
Speaker 1: Let's give it up for Ed.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead.
Speaker 3: That's a selfless guy, a selfless guy. First question, First question,
Speaker 3: who's your favorite kid of all of them?
Speaker 2: You know, very it varies by the day. My wife
Speaker 2: and I joke around about it. It's whoever happens to
Speaker 2: call us back the quickest on that particular really so
Speaker 2: you're kind of liked, or whoever's got something pretty important
Speaker 2: coming up. So last week it was Luke my sign.
Speaker 2: He's played in the senior balls, getting ready for the combine.
Speaker 2: This week, Christian's got a pretty good game coming up here, right,
Speaker 2: Who's consistently at the top of the charge? It varies, man,
Speaker 2: it varies. You know, obviously you love all your kids
Speaker 2: the same, but there's some that you're more happy with
Speaker 2: in any particular point in time. And so right now
Speaker 2: they're all good. Yeah, they're on the good list right now.
Speaker 3: You gotta love that, dude. It's got to be hard
Speaker 3: juggling those three kids at all times.
Speaker 2: You got four, right, you got four brothers. Max is
Speaker 2: the oldest. Then you got Christian. Well, I was trying
Speaker 2: to follow your math. Five plus eight is thirteen, and
Speaker 2: now I thought, maybe there's something to your math. Do
Speaker 2: you want kids? But do you want to hear that?
Speaker 2: You know occasion I have forgotten one of my kids
Speaker 2: in the past, accidentally left him in the car for
Speaker 2: a couple of seconds forgetting they were falling asleep in
Speaker 2: the car seat, lost him in a store one time.
Speaker 3: So hey, you know all this forgive I appreciate that, yeank,
Speaker 3: you do. You know why they were talking about the number.
Speaker 2: Thirteen because that's how many years I played in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's not about me. Now what thirteen? It's
Speaker 2: a good reference for it. So you know brock Pritty's number.
Speaker 2: What are we talking? I'm trying to follow your math.
Speaker 3: So the whole conspiracy obviously, you know Taylor Swift, you
Speaker 3: know she is dating somebody on the opposing team that.
Speaker 2: You're so aware of it. I've been yeah, I've heard reports.
Speaker 3: The Swifties have like come up with this crazy conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory that Taylor Swift's favorite number, well they know her
Speaker 3: favorite number is thirty, right, And obviously super Bowl fifty
Speaker 3: eight five plus eight is thirteen. Forty nine ers four
Speaker 3: plus nine US thirteen.
Speaker 2: Wow, forty nine Ers are.
Speaker 3: The one one seed. Chiefs are the three seed thirteen.
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, if she goes to the game, it'll be
Speaker 3: her thirteenth appearance at a Chiefs game. If she makes
Speaker 3: it back from Tokyo to Vegas for the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: it's roughly a thirteen hour flight, right, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of right. A lot of things are stacked.
Speaker 2: Was there a movie I don't think it was thirteen?
Speaker 2: Was it twenty three with Jim Carrey? Remember that there
Speaker 2: was a movie where they started connecting the dots. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, twelve and then eight one bagel and that's thirteen.
Speaker 2: And they just started making all these random connections that
Speaker 2: mean absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fun to talking about nothing. The thirteen
Speaker 1: killer is wearing a nine ers.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of hotels don't have a thirteenth floor.
Speaker 3: That's true, right, which is odd too, because really, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, if you.
Speaker 2: Go one know there's a thirteenth floor. Yes, use it
Speaker 2: for storage or something. It's there.
Speaker 3: It's a whole it's a whole thing. Have you what's
Speaker 3: your thought process? On Taylor Switch right now, you anti
Speaker 3: Taylor swip.
Speaker 2: Because of the week. You know, my wife is like
Speaker 2: her biggest fan, and she nobody has supported her relationship
Speaker 2: with Travis Kelsey more than my wife defending defending her
Speaker 2: and Travis. To people who are the football people that
Speaker 2: don't want to mix entertainment and football, I'm like, look,
Speaker 2: football is entertainment, it's live entertainment, it's real. But you know,
Speaker 2: those two worlds have collided and there's no going back back.
Speaker 2: And it looks like they're happy and healthy. Like I'm
Speaker 2: in Andy Reid's camp when it comes to that they're
Speaker 2: happy and healthy. More power to them. But Lisa has
Speaker 2: so many Taylor Swift songs on her playlist when she
Speaker 2: goes jogging every day, and actually bought this piece of
Speaker 2: artwork from Steven Wilson, this really cool artist that she likes.
Speaker 2: There's a whole Taylor Swift piece of art that hangs
Speaker 2: in our piano room. But you know, not listening to
Speaker 2: as much music this week, I'm gonna put it on
Speaker 2: the kabash for about a week, your wife, and then
Speaker 2: we'll go right back to listening to it. Look, she's
Speaker 2: one of the greatest artists in the world. She puts together.
Speaker 2: She's great for the end of one week bend. Is
Speaker 2: that too much toask? Is that wrong?
Speaker 3: If you're Swift fan, I bet you they say yes.
Speaker 2: Is it okay?
Speaker 1: Is your wife aware that the government kind of set
Speaker 1: up their relationship?
Speaker 2: She is not aware. She is not. She is not
Speaker 2: aware of that conspiracy. The guys are into the conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: So it's just.
Speaker 3: Conspiracy theories like the whole idea behind them, like people
Speaker 3: who truly buy in, and it's like there's lizard people
Speaker 3: down in the sewers of Washington, d C. To me,
Speaker 3: I'm not like subscribing to that. I'm not like buying
Speaker 3: in buying the T shirts. But I do love the conversation.
Speaker 3: I love the idea of being JFK big Foot inside Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: not a level, was an inside job. It's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, let's dive into this a little bit. I
Speaker 3: love to hear people passionately tell me why this is
Speaker 3: a real thing and then low key by it towards
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 2: I think I saw one of those lizard people in
Speaker 2: a field trip I took in eighth grade, so there
Speaker 2: may be truth to that one. Yeah, live in Colorado.
Speaker 2: You go if you walk through the airport, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: through the IA in Colorado. They brack about it. They
Speaker 2: really little weird sculptures and signs on kind of shaped
Speaker 2: like a whale. There's talking about underground.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like the conspiracy because they have all
Speaker 1: that land surrounding the air Yeah, what do they do
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 3: Millionaires A bunch of billionaires own real estate out there,
Speaker 3: and it's said that they have bunkers in that area.
Speaker 2: It's pretty bizarre when you start to look at some
Speaker 2: of the artwork and some of the science, and they
Speaker 2: kind of have embraced it. We got our evil blue
Speaker 2: horse with the red eyes outside the airport. Have you
Speaker 2: seen that thing? It's kind of cool, but you're like,
Speaker 2: is there something to it or not? Maybe they're like
Speaker 2: just trying to be so obvious about it, but it
Speaker 2: really exists. I don't know.
Speaker 1: As a as an athlete growing up, you have the
Speaker 1: thirteen year career that you have, like when you're younger
Speaker 1: and you talk about, you know, I want to have sons.
Speaker 1: I want them to be like me. I want to
Speaker 1: be athletes. And now it's transpired. See them, see we
Speaker 1: know what he's you just mentioned Luke being at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl getting ready for a combine. You have to
Speaker 1: be you have to feel good, fully grown, knowing that
Speaker 1: you're offspring are basically succeeding your journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, as a parent, you know you want
Speaker 2: your kids to be happy and healthy, whether they play
Speaker 2: football or do anything else, you want them to be
Speaker 2: happy and healthy, chase their dreams. It just so happens.
Speaker 2: All four of our boys ended up playing football, and
Speaker 2: it's been Christian's dream to play in the NFL and
Speaker 2: then eventually playing a Super Bowl his whole life. So
Speaker 2: as a parent, whether you're kid's a musician or an artist,
Speaker 2: or they're into they're an engineer or whatever they do, right,
Speaker 2: you just want them to be happy. And so I'm
Speaker 2: happy because he's happy.
Speaker 3: It seems like that's a very well polished piece answer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that you would give to anybody who's having it. Gets Hey,
Speaker 3: as long as they're happy and healthy, they can do
Speaker 3: whatever they want. But based on our conversation with Christian,
Speaker 3: it seemed like it was football or nothing.
Speaker 2: Really, you heard the story, so was in football or nothing? No, Look,
Speaker 2: we always in the jeans story, we always ask them
Speaker 2: to I don't even have heard this. Whatever they're doing,
Speaker 2: be the best at that, right. We're big and like,
Speaker 2: you are what you do, right, and if you do something,
Speaker 2: you are how you do it. So if you're going
Speaker 2: to do something, do it to the best of your ability.
Speaker 2: So we've always emphasized that. But it didn't have to
Speaker 2: be football. Could have been anything, Like there was a
Speaker 2: couple of times where maybe they wanted to take a
Speaker 2: season off of not playing a sport, and we're like, great,
Speaker 2: get a job. I don't care what you do. Get
Speaker 2: a job, Join the chess club. I don't anything you
Speaker 2: want to do. But you're not just gonna sit around
Speaker 2: doing nothing. So you know you are what you do.
Speaker 2: Go do something. When you do it, be the best
Speaker 2: you can. When you play a team sport, no matter
Speaker 2: what it is, you got other people that are depending
Speaker 2: on you. And I think those are good lessons when
Speaker 2: you're young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the approach of which I mean Christian he
Speaker 3: did bring up you get you get tackled by.
Speaker 2: Your jersey ground rounded that's place safety.
Speaker 3: He told the stories of you walking on the woods
Speaker 3: and finding a crushed soda can and coming back and
Speaker 3: be like, hey, what do we got here.
Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone's been embellished. Man, my kids tell stories
Speaker 2: about me. I don't know how much of it's true
Speaker 2: or not. I hope most of it is not true.
Speaker 2: But look, you know it's like, hey, the carbonation while
Speaker 2: you're playing, and sugary drinks. You know, just limit them
Speaker 2: during the season before you play a game. Tape in
Speaker 2: the jersey. Like horse collar used to be a thing,
Speaker 2: there was no horse collar. That was just a tackle.
Speaker 2: People used to grab you by your jersey and drop
Speaker 2: on the back of your legs. That's a dangerous play.
Speaker 2: They outlawed it in the NFL. Right, they're even talking
Speaker 2: about having that drop tackle hip drop right. So for me,
Speaker 2: it was player safety. I saw a kid in the
Speaker 2: little league get hurt pretty bad. Someone grabbed the back
Speaker 2: of his jersey and then body dropped on the back
Speaker 2: of his legs, broke the kid's leg. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that happened to my kid. You
Speaker 2: know what, from now on, you're gonna have your jersey
Speaker 2: tape down. You will never get jersey tackle. And if
Speaker 2: you ever do, you know you're gonna hear about it
Speaker 2: from me. But I'm the one taping it grounded. Do
Speaker 2: you ever? Do you ever get your jerseys tape? You
Speaker 2: got them taped right right, so you know the advantage
Speaker 2: of having your jersey tape and a linemen. You don't
Speaker 2: want guys grabbing you and you don't get to get
Speaker 2: beat But when you're a running back or a ball carrier,
Speaker 2: you don't want to get grabbed and tackled from behind
Speaker 2: him potentially hurt. But if you've ever watched your equipment
Speaker 2: manager have to tape your pads where I hope you
Speaker 2: thanked him because it's a thankless job. It is not
Speaker 2: fun two way tape in a jersey, And I did
Speaker 2: it for all four of my boys all the time.
Speaker 2: Did you ever? I think I swear to you seared
Speaker 2: many more touchdowns because of that, because I countless clips
Speaker 2: of people trying to grab for the jersey and slipping on.
Speaker 2: You're the reason for their success, not at all, did
Speaker 2: you ever? But I was the reason they didn't get
Speaker 2: jersey tackled? Yeah? Did they?
Speaker 1: Did they ever get grounded for getting jersey tackled?
Speaker 2: I think Christian did once? Yeah, or at least seriously reprimanded.
Speaker 2: And then he reprimanded.
Speaker 3: He told me right home, no ac well during the
Speaker 3: summer and no speaking windows.
Speaker 2: It was one of those like once we got in
Speaker 2: the car, I didn't have to say anything. He already knew, right,
Speaker 2: there was a couple I didn't even say a word.
Speaker 2: We just drove home in silence.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's such a that's a good dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know has a dad too. Like if they
Speaker 1: played baseball, say, hey, no swimming on game day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all those little things you're not allowed to do.
Speaker 3: And you so, I mean, obviously you play thirteen years
Speaker 3: in the n FELL. You were known for being like
Speaker 3: one of the greatest blocking wide receivers of all time,
Speaker 3: a tough guy that would lay out over the middle
Speaker 3: make acrobatic catches. When you start having sons, is there's
Speaker 3: like a thought process of like do I need to
Speaker 3: instill this type of toughness in them or they come
Speaker 3: out of the womb fighting.
Speaker 2: Well, Luckily, I think that was just their their mentality.
Speaker 2: Early on, they were serious competitors. They competed with each other.
Speaker 2: I think it's good to have four brothers in the
Speaker 2: same house, so they compete with each other, they compete
Speaker 2: with their friends, and then in games. Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: super competitive. Lisa, my wife, super competitive. She was an athlete,
Speaker 2: and you know it just again, it's just if you're
Speaker 2: gonna do something, be the best you can at it, right,
Speaker 2: Why go through the motions? And so they were always
Speaker 2: kind of wired that way. It was expected of them.
Speaker 2: But I really never had to nudge him too much
Speaker 2: in terms of being competitive.
Speaker 3: There was never a moment they like stubbed their tone
Speaker 3: and you're like, come on, man, you're better than this.
Speaker 2: They're crying.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a six year old daughter and she
Speaker 3: stubs her toe and I have that feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it's fine.
Speaker 3: And I don't say that out loud, but I feel
Speaker 3: it internally.
Speaker 2: I take it. I stubbed my toe in my hotel
Speaker 2: room on the table, and I thought it broke my toe,
Speaker 2: and I was giving myself that talk. Yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: it's all right. You played them in the NFL. You're
Speaker 2: tougher than this. Stop winding over your stub toe. But
Speaker 2: I think I might have broke it for real. Right now,
Speaker 2: you've a broken could be broken. Yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 2: You you walk it off, man, Gotta watch what you do.
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Speaker 1: Did you actually go and pick up? Would you go
Speaker 1: and pick up Christian and your boys like during school
Speaker 1: to get for them to get an IV?
Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot's been made about this whole IV thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah I did. Yeah, well, but not every game, So
Speaker 2: I did it for night game. So the first high
Speaker 2: school game they played at night, right, Can you guys
Speaker 2: remember back in high school wasn't that long ago? Right?
Speaker 2: You got to actually go to class, right, Like, you're
Speaker 2: up at like six in the morning. You're lucky to
Speaker 2: eat something before you leave the house. You're on your
Speaker 2: feet all day, you're eating cafeteria lunch. Then you got
Speaker 2: another three four hours and then you don't come home
Speaker 2: after school. You really don't have a proper dinner, and
Speaker 2: you're on your feet all day, going to class and
Speaker 2: walking around. Like can you imagine the NFL, Like, hey,
Speaker 2: put in eight hours and then let's go play the game. Now,
Speaker 2: we don't do that, right, We're in the NFL. It's
Speaker 2: all about ball. So at night, a lot of the
Speaker 2: kids on the team would cramp up like they're playing
Speaker 2: under the lights. They've been on their feet all day
Speaker 2: and they're dehydrated. They didn't eat or drink properly. And
Speaker 2: so you know, Christian cramped in the first night game
Speaker 2: he played in. I'm like, all right, you know you're dehydrated.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think you'd drink enough loos throughout the
Speaker 2: day but it's hard to do and he's he like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's in on offense, on defense, on special teams.
Speaker 2: He didn't come off the field. So he's one of
Speaker 2: those guys. It's not like you're playing fifty snaps. You
Speaker 2: might be playing one hundred and fifteen snaps. And in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the summer it's hot. I mean in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the school you're right, in August, it's
Speaker 2: you know, ninety degrees or eighty some degrees. So yeah,
Speaker 2: when he cramped up, I'm like, you know, let's get
Speaker 2: an IV. You won't and he never cramped up ever again.
Speaker 2: After getting IV's you're welcome. I will say this, we
Speaker 2: got to love the photosophy.
Speaker 3: We did have internally, like sat in the room by
Speaker 3: himself and like, all.
Speaker 2: Right, this is what we gotta se We did have
Speaker 2: one bad experience where I regretted my decision to get
Speaker 2: him in IV. It was a before a state championship game,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, by this time, you know
Speaker 2: how it is. If you think it works, it works, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But I think ivs do work. But this wasn't a
Speaker 2: night game. It was like an afternoon game. But probably
Speaker 2: didn't need the IV. But he's like, are we gonna
Speaker 2: get an IV? I'm like, yeah, we're get the ivy
Speaker 2: Like he's going to be locked in, right, he's going
Speaker 2: to feel like Superman getting this IV with electrolyts. It's
Speaker 2: just a basic you know, saline solution, electro lights, whatever,
Speaker 2: no big deal. But our doctor that we went to
Speaker 2: was out of town. So I'm like, you know, they
Speaker 2: got IV places all over the place. We just went
Speaker 2: to like a strip mall, like outside IV place, and like,
Speaker 2: this place will do. How hard is it to give
Speaker 2: an IV? Right, it's not too difficult. So we go
Speaker 2: in there, no problem, we'll set them up, we'll get
Speaker 2: them the IV. I'm kind of on my phone text
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, Dad, Dad, I look over. He's
Speaker 2: got like a softball sized lump in his arm. Went
Speaker 2: through the vein. Well, they didn't hit the vein at all.
Speaker 2: They were pumping sailine underneath his skin and it was
Speaker 2: just swelling up. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So
Speaker 2: I called the nurse practitioner and she comes in and says, oh,
Speaker 2: it's okay, it's just solution, starts pressing down on it
Speaker 2: to get it to go away, and so my heart
Speaker 2: rate is up a little bit because I'm like, we
Speaker 2: got a game in a few hours, like this is
Speaker 2: the day of the state championship. She's like, I'll not
Speaker 2: the head. So she's like, I'll try, I'll try. I'll
Speaker 2: try it again, right, I'll try it again. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous because I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: these people, and you know, it's an outdoor strip mall.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that hard. So she tries it again
Speaker 2: and dude, she hits a vein and blood literally splattered
Speaker 2: up to the ceiling. There's blood splattering everywhere, and I'm
Speaker 2: having a panic attack. Now. I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be low on blood and forget the IV.
Speaker 2: Like he's losing blood. It's splattered all the way up
Speaker 2: to the ceiling. And the look on his eyes was
Speaker 2: just sheer shock, like what just happened. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're good, We're good. You know, let's let's just go.
Speaker 2: So you know, you still got this lump that's slowly
Speaker 2: going down the blood on the ceiling. I'm like, oh my,
Speaker 2: it's like we have a game in a couple hours.
Speaker 2: So we're out of here. So we leave did and
Speaker 2: get the IV and Christian makes fun of me because
Speaker 2: he's like a believer in me, right, He's like, Dad,
Speaker 2: got me the IV's this is gonna help me. And
Speaker 2: we get in the car and he's like, well, we're
Speaker 2: gonna go somewhere else for the IV and I'm like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: it's it's really all in your mind. It's overrated. Just
Speaker 2: drink a lot of gate.
Speaker 3: Hey, everything is drink.
Speaker 2: Drink a lot of Gator. He'll be fine. It is incredible.
Speaker 2: Drink a lot of body arm or actually is what
Speaker 2: you should be Yeah, this stuff, by the way, zero, No,
Speaker 2: this stuff is delicious. I love body arm.
Speaker 3: Do you you still follow like lot of like health
Speaker 3: things and you kind of dive into the biohacking world
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say bio hacking, but I do get my
Speaker 2: blood levels tested every year, and I want to make
Speaker 2: sure that you know, my hormones are balanced and my
Speaker 2: blood levels are balanced. And also, you know, you get
Speaker 2: in your fifties, guys, you guys are still so young. Man.
Speaker 2: I love hanging out with Christian's friends. By the way,
Speaker 2: this is cool, but is but but you know, you
Speaker 2: get older. Unfortunately I don't have all my friends with
Speaker 2: me man some of it. So early detection is important,
Speaker 2: Getting yourself tested is important, and feeling good. Man, leave
Speaker 2: healthy as long as you can. You know, you guys
Speaker 2: have heard the horror stories about former football players and
Speaker 2: all the difficult physical challenges they have, and so yeah, man,
Speaker 2: get tested often and early and do everything you can
Speaker 2: to feel good.
Speaker 3: Was it when you were you talk about like, you know,
Speaker 3: guys who stopped playing football and they kind of go
Speaker 3: downhill a little bit, But like when you played, a
Speaker 3: lot of the rules have changed since then, a lot
Speaker 3: of like a lot of bigger hits and stuff. Was
Speaker 3: there ever a point where you started seeing maybe some
Speaker 3: of your former teammates going downhill? You're like, I got
Speaker 3: to make sure I can do everything I possibly can
Speaker 3: can not for this now happened.
Speaker 2: To me absolutely, And so obviously you hear all the
Speaker 2: talk about head trauma. I think a lot of athletes also.
Speaker 2: You know, the rules are different, they protect players a
Speaker 2: little bit better, but it's still a collision sport, you
Speaker 2: know that, right. You know there's drug and alcohol abuse,
Speaker 2: there's depression, there's all kinds of things that former players
Speaker 2: go through once they retire. I think today's players are
Speaker 2: so much better educated. They've heard the stories of players
Speaker 2: that came before them. They understand how important is to
Speaker 2: take care of the body. You're looking in phenomenal shape. Man,
Speaker 2: how much weight have you lost? I've lost sixty pounds.
Speaker 2: Sixty pounds, right, And so all the linemen I played
Speaker 2: with on our team's lost a bunch of weight and
Speaker 2: gotten not all of them, not all of them are
Speaker 2: with us, but a lot of them got in shape.
Speaker 2: They knew that. Look, I got to lose weight and
Speaker 2: be at a healthy weight and feel good. I want
Speaker 2: to feel good moving around. I want to be healthy
Speaker 2: and I want to live a long time. So you
Speaker 2: you're proactive about it, right, Not everyone is. Some people,
Speaker 2: you know, it's drugs, alcohol, it's eating too much food.
Speaker 2: Getting overweight and just being overweight alone causes a lot
Speaker 2: of problems. But I think today's athletes understand it. I
Speaker 2: think they do a better job. Especially linemen are taking
Speaker 2: care of themselves once they retire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unique with offensive linemen. It seems like every
Speaker 3: offensive lineman kind of goes this way and then like
Speaker 3: the running backs and receivers and corners keep eating the
Speaker 3: same way and like it flips a little bit, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so so were you a weight gainer a
Speaker 2: weight loser? I was.
Speaker 3: I was a weight gang guy.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 2: You always had to gain weight.
Speaker 3: My first weight at Michigan, I was two hundred fifty
Speaker 3: four pounds. Like, hey, your red shirting because you had
Speaker 3: all the weight. And I would do, you know, wake
Speaker 3: up three am, have like pasta, like a chicken alfredo
Speaker 3: from like a pizza hutah, and like scarf that down.
Speaker 3: Then go do a workout at six am. Throw that up.
Speaker 3: And then they're just like shoveling food in me over
Speaker 3: and over again. So when I did inevitably stop playing,
Speaker 3: it became like, oh that this is easy. I'll just
Speaker 3: start shdding the weight and it came off relatively fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We always I have that argument with a lot
Speaker 2: of different people. My brother was a kid. It was
Speaker 2: real skinny, and he's a basketball player and he always
Speaker 2: had to gain weight, and he's like, dude, it's so
Speaker 2: much harder to gain weight than to lose weight. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think it's harder to lose weight because
Speaker 2: I was like two thirty eight in high school and
Speaker 2: had to lose weight to play receiver. Even going into
Speaker 2: the NFL. Probably played at two twenty twenty two. So
Speaker 2: I was constantly trying to lose weight, and so for me,
Speaker 2: I always thought it was harder to lose weight. But
Speaker 2: it's a healthy debate in the NFL. To be a
Speaker 2: lead at your position, you need to be at least
Speaker 2: within a range. Some guys have to gain, some have
Speaker 2: to lose. But I think the ones that end up
Speaker 2: healthier were the lighter ones that had to gain. Even
Speaker 2: though it's hard to do. For you, you gain the weight,
Speaker 2: it's easier to shed it because you see some guys
Speaker 2: gain one hundred pounds, and you're right, I see, I
Speaker 2: know dbs and receivers that put on one hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: They don't even look like the same person. It's just
Speaker 2: not healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One guy that comes to my mind is you know
Speaker 3: you remember denaral Robinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Michigan. Yeah, yeah, well looking a little thick now,
Speaker 2: I'll call it. Then. I love my boy, I love
Speaker 2: the nar but you know he's well, yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: his pain, man, because I I'm you know, I need
Speaker 2: to be lighter than I am. But at one point,
Speaker 2: I was weigh thirty pounds heavier than this, and I'm thinking, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't feel good moving around. It's harder
Speaker 2: to work out, and you just know it's not it's
Speaker 2: not healthy. You put yourself at risk of so many
Speaker 2: different illnesses and diseases, and like, I want to be around.
Speaker 2: I'm watching my kids play ball. I'm watching Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know my wife isn't great shape and energetic. I mean
Speaker 2: I got to keep up, keep up around from Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I'm still hanging out with my son's friends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: went on the most bus I've ever Yeah, sat in
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 1: Which way? Which way is? Treyll Davis went.
Speaker 2: He's in great shape? Real You seen him lately?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh? TD? Yeah, I ran into him in Colorado. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oddly enough, I was walking across the street and he
Speaker 2: like sped his car up and hunked the horn. I
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna get hit, and I was just
Speaker 2: TD messing with me. Yeah, just saw him in the
Speaker 2: middle of street, white lightning. Yeah, and uh, and then
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I cleared some traffic for him,
Speaker 2: like I took pride in doing when he was playing.
Speaker 2: But no, he's chiseled dude.
Speaker 1: How about his way? He started in the league like
Speaker 1: they like kickoff right, like special teams.
Speaker 2: I was there, man, he was like the sixth string
Speaker 2: running back, and uh, I felt sorry for him. I
Speaker 2: didn't really know him, Like there's his back out. He
Speaker 2: was a late round draft pick out of Georgia and
Speaker 2: he was six string and they were you know, back then,
Speaker 2: if you're a scout team running back, that's the worst
Speaker 2: job in football. Like here's the first string defense. We're
Speaker 2: going to practice our stuff and let's put the third
Speaker 2: string line in in training camp and run our six
Speaker 2: string running back behind him. On every plane, he was
Speaker 2: getting tattooed, like just annihilate and if he.
Speaker 1: Does well, it's like no come back, run it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, it's this way. It's all set up
Speaker 2: for the defense. So I didn't even know him, and
Speaker 2: I felt sorry for him. And then one by one,
Speaker 2: kind of like your story, guys started going down and
Speaker 2: guys start getting hurt. We were in Tokyo, Japan, playing
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, and he almost left. If he
Speaker 2: spoke Japanese he would have left. But he went down
Speaker 2: to the lobby tried to ask for cab. They weren't
Speaker 2: understanding what he was trying to say. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: forget about he's gonna leave. He was literally gonna leave Tokyo.
Speaker 2: He's like with six string, he's getting killed in practice.
Speaker 2: He's like, there, I'm not gonna make the team. There's
Speaker 2: no way. And then he made that play on special teams.
Speaker 2: I think something clicked. He's like, look, I don't care, man,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hit somebody flew down on the kickoff team,
Speaker 2: blew somebody up. Next thing, you know, a couple guys
Speaker 2: go down. He's the starter's Hall of Fame running back,
Speaker 2: but he was that close to leaving the team. That
Speaker 2: close's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that part of it. Have you
Speaker 1: seen the play?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: He just I mean he just this dude flies and
Speaker 1: then like if you do, whether it's the NFL films
Speaker 1: or something out there that like kind of talks about
Speaker 1: it or history. Maybe it's a football life. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he has one, but uh, everybody's like, you know,
Speaker 1: turn their head like, yo, who is that was that?
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis Like who's that kid?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then he yeah, freaking.
Speaker 3: Goes like the man start of his whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, origin story back when you could get like the
Speaker 1: you know, you could do like big running starts on
Speaker 1: kickoff right, Oh yeah, like not even now you got
Speaker 1: to stand there. That was five yards and that one
Speaker 1: might have been like ten, right, Yeah, you can get
Speaker 1: more than that.
Speaker 2: You could go back as far as you want it,
Speaker 2: but usually you were ten just to time it up right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was like a whole training camp worth of
Speaker 2: just anger and pain and hostility that he took out
Speaker 2: on that one play, which really changed the court. I
Speaker 2: think he would have been great no matter what, but
Speaker 2: for the Broncos, it changed the course of his career.
Speaker 3: Wasn't Shannon Sharpe a similar story? Like he had to
Speaker 3: play special teams a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: Shannon was a really good tight end. He was already
Speaker 2: an all pro tight end when I got to the Broncos,
Speaker 2: And so I know, was he undrafted late round pick?
Speaker 3: He was a late round but I thought he was
Speaker 3: a core four guys didn't make his hay that way beginning.
Speaker 1: He definitely didn't get fat.
Speaker 2: Have you seen him. I just saw him today. Man,
Speaker 2: he got bigger and stronger than he was to play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's in he's in medicine.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I like to try to make it I'm
Speaker 2: getting older. I try to make excuses for not being
Speaker 2: in better shape than I see Shannon. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're killing me, dude, Yeah, you're killing me. Yeah. We're
Speaker 2: at a party.
Speaker 3: He's a super Bowl way, we're a seventh round big Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're a party of last super Bowl. And he was
Speaker 3: there in obviously Shannon, he's he's a fantastic personality, is
Speaker 3: crushing life on so many different platforms right now. But
Speaker 3: he was at that party and he's wearing a shirt
Speaker 3: that he knows is a size too small for him,
Speaker 3: and he looked you kind of a stare. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: you look amazing. He's an action figure. Yeah, he literally
Speaker 3: looks like an action figure. It's it's how fun was
Speaker 3: he to.
Speaker 1: Be around a training camp? You see this stuff with
Speaker 1: the Ravens. But I'm sure he just has that personality.
Speaker 2: It was so fun. It's like you guys, you guys
Speaker 2: are naturals. On the podcast, like when he's out there talking,
Speaker 2: that's him. He was that way in the locker room.
Speaker 2: He was always cracking jokes, making fun of people's clothes
Speaker 2: and having fun. And you know, I was always more
Speaker 2: serious guy, but I loved Shannon and we had this guy,
Speaker 2: Keith Burns, and they play off each other a little
Speaker 2: bit and crack jokes and it just lightens up the
Speaker 2: whole mood and makes us makes it a little more fun. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: As let's just say hypothetically, the forty nine Ers win
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. How long do you wait until you
Speaker 3: tell your son you have two more than him?
Speaker 2: Oh, I will never say that, you know, I never,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll be so happy. First off, if that happens,
Speaker 2: I will be the happiest person on the planet. I
Speaker 2: might be happier Christian for him and for the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers. This you know. Obviously I love Christian, He's
Speaker 2: my son. This has been a dream of his. But
Speaker 2: also this team feels like family to me. There's connections
Speaker 2: with the coaches and the general manager that goes back
Speaker 2: into my college days. So that would be incredible. But
Speaker 2: I never you know, having played football in Denver and
Speaker 2: with my kids playing football, I don't have any Lombardi trophies.
Speaker 2: My my rings were in safety deposit box. And I
Speaker 2: never wanted them to have to think that's what I
Speaker 2: need to be able to do to that's cool to
Speaker 2: be successful. Yeah, And and it doesn't mean that's the
Speaker 2: right or wrong answer. I'm just like, whatever they do,
Speaker 2: it's their experience. It's not about me. It's about them.
Speaker 2: I'm here to love them and support them. If they
Speaker 2: have football questions for me, I'll help them as much
Speaker 2: as I can get them in the IVS.
Speaker 1: Tape up their jersey, you wearing jeans but a school
Speaker 1: But it's exactly, but it's rue.
Speaker 2: But it's really about weigh and you I interjected a
Speaker 2: little bit. But on the field, you know, it was
Speaker 2: their experience. So I want them to feel that way.
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to set these redics less expectations
Speaker 2: and not that it would have mattered, I think, because
Speaker 2: I think they have high expectations for themselves. But you know,
Speaker 2: now I'm older, I'm like, yeah, I hope you do
Speaker 2: win so I can maybe put up one of those.
Speaker 2: Be proud to have one of those, Yeah in my office.
Speaker 2: Yeah one day.
Speaker 1: How awesome, like you alluded to it, like the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers feels like family, a lot of connections, like
Speaker 1: John Lynch, the Shanahan's, you guys, like it has to
Speaker 1: be just surreal that it's your son, coach, Mike Shanahan's son,
Speaker 1: your you know, your former teammate, and John Lynch, Like
Speaker 1: you guys are all kind of rocking the same team.
Speaker 1: Like how how sick is that always are back together?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, No, I just have so much respect for
Speaker 2: those guys you just mentioned I mean they are the
Speaker 2: real deal, right. I mean John Lynch was a teammate
Speaker 2: of mine at Stanford. He was played quarterback. I caught
Speaker 2: passes from him, and he was the real deal going
Speaker 2: back that far before he switched to say.
Speaker 1: How far off of how different the difference in like.
Speaker 2: Maybe two years maybe? Okay, yeah, and he switched the
Speaker 2: safety after I graduated, But I mean he was the
Speaker 2: real deal back then, like a true pro already in
Speaker 2: colle one of those guys like college, this guy already
Speaker 2: has his tack together. Yeah, not everybody does, but so
Speaker 2: much respect for him. And then Kyle Shanahan watching him
Speaker 2: grow up, and you know, future Hall of Fame coach,
Speaker 2: Mike Shanahan just had such an important impact on my life.
Speaker 2: And our families are close. And then you know, Brian
Speaker 2: Greesie was my quarterback, and Bobby t is a legend
Speaker 2: and running back, and Anthony Lynn's my teammate. It's incredible
Speaker 2: running backs coach. And the Kubiak kids are over there,
Speaker 2: and I mean it. You know, if you could go
Speaker 2: back and remember high school ball where you knew all
Speaker 2: he knew all the families, right, it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: all there. You know, tailgating and you know everybody. That's
Speaker 2: what it feels like in the NFL, and I think
Speaker 2: that's rare, like unless you're on the team, like to
Speaker 2: be a parent and feel like I know everybody, Oh
Speaker 2: that's what it's one of one feeling. It's such a
Speaker 2: cool feeling.
Speaker 1: It is, dude, like you're a player experiencing that stuff
Speaker 1: and now you're at this, you're you know, you're a
Speaker 1: parent now, like coming back to it and you're just like, yo.
Speaker 3: I would be embarrassed. Wh my dad would come to
Speaker 3: the games and meet the coaches and hey, so, well,
Speaker 3: how's my son doing. I'm like, that's shut up, you
Speaker 3: get the car, let's just let's go. That's all. You're
Speaker 3: probably hanging out with them, chopping it up, and they're
Speaker 3: just like, you know, this is one of us. Because
Speaker 3: you know a dad, it's like, hey, proud of your son.
Speaker 3: He's doing a great job. He kind of hit him
Speaker 3: with the basics as a coach, but with you, it's
Speaker 3: like they can probably give you a little more inside
Speaker 3: ball and talk a little bit more, knowing you understand
Speaker 3: the craft as well, and they know your personality.
Speaker 1: And that he has the connections with GM coaches, head
Speaker 1: coaches played with them like that is really special.
Speaker 3: So with all that all, like this family style of
Speaker 3: thing with the forty nine ers, when Christian's playing for
Speaker 3: the Panthers and that trade, you see the trade finally
Speaker 3: happen from the Panthers of the forty nine ers, Like, what's
Speaker 3: your reaction?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a static because I know Kyle Shanahana
Speaker 2: know what an incredible coach he he is. And then
Speaker 2: I looked at the roster and I'm like, dude, this
Speaker 2: team is littered with talent, and I knew about all
Speaker 2: the guys we just mentioned Anthony Lynn and Bobby t
Speaker 2: and Brian Greasy and the Koopjacks and all the other
Speaker 2: guys on the coaching staff, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: a perfect situation for you. Kyle's going to know how
Speaker 2: to use you. He's a phenomenal coach. You know, you
Speaker 2: have a ton of other talent around you. You're going
Speaker 2: to get to be part of a great organization. I
Speaker 2: played for the forty nine ers. It's an incredible organization
Speaker 2: from Jed York on down, and so Lisa and I
Speaker 2: were static. Plus we went to Stanford. It's in the
Speaker 2: Bay area. I'm like, this is incredible for us, easy
Speaker 2: flight from Denver. But Christian, you know, he's a team guy.
Speaker 2: He's like a loyal guy. Whoever his team is, those
Speaker 2: are his guys. He's a boys boy. Yeah, so he
Speaker 2: was like, you know, hey, these are my guys. And
Speaker 2: you know, I've lived here for five and a half years,
Speaker 2: and I know our family is history, but I don't
Speaker 2: really you know, know Kyle, I was four during Super
Speaker 2: Bowl thirty three running around in the confetti, and so
Speaker 2: Lisa and I were super very excited about it. But
Speaker 2: then one of the first things he did was he
Speaker 2: had a meeting with Kyle. Those guys got together and
Speaker 2: talked for like an hour and a half, and Christian
Speaker 2: asked him a lot of questions. You know, why did
Speaker 2: you trade for me? How are you going to use me?
Speaker 2: He wanted to find out, you know, what his mindset
Speaker 2: was and how he viewed the game and him as
Speaker 2: a player and coach Shanahan. Kyle did the same thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, look, this is why we brought you in.
Speaker 2: Let me get to know you a little bit. Because
Speaker 2: even though our families had this history, you know, when
Speaker 2: you're four and another kids in high school. You don't
Speaker 2: know each other, so it was really like their first
Speaker 2: time getting to know each other, and I thought that
Speaker 2: was pretty mature both of them. It's like, hey, let's
Speaker 2: get to know each other and forget all this talk
Speaker 2: about our families. Man the man, this is you and me.
Speaker 2: Let's find out what we're all about. And after hour
Speaker 2: hour and a half meeting, I mean, Christian called me
Speaker 2: up and said, hey, I'm in the right place. Is
Speaker 2: this is It's awesome. This was the place for me.
Speaker 1: Did you have any tip off or hint that that
Speaker 1: was in the works before it happened.
Speaker 2: No, Lisa actually did a podcast and with her friend Ashley,
Speaker 2: and they brought on Peggy Shanahan and they joked around
Speaker 2: about the trade a few days before it happened. But
Speaker 2: we didn't know any more than anybody else we're following
Speaker 2: social media. Could be the rams, could be the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers. You know, if you're an organization, you're not
Speaker 2: going to show your hand because you're in a biding
Speaker 2: war with other teams, so nobody's going to tell anybody anything.
Speaker 2: So we were very happy when we heard the news.
Speaker 2: That is awesome, that should.
Speaker 1: We dive into the glory days of the Broncos. Yes,
Speaker 1: a question before we do get to those two Super
Speaker 1: Bowls in a row, Like your first one was with
Speaker 1: the Niners, but you're with the Niners for a year,
Speaker 1: and do you feel like this is not on trying
Speaker 1: to This is gonna sound disrespectful, but I know it
Speaker 1: was your one of your lower statistical years. Did you
Speaker 1: get injured during that year with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was going to start over Jerry Rice,
Speaker 2: but then I had an I tweaked my ankle. I
Speaker 2: think no. Look, I played for the New York Giants
Speaker 2: and I got there during the time that had a
Speaker 2: lot of adversity. Bill Parcells was my coach. I love
Speaker 2: getting the call from him on draft day. Hey, we're
Speaker 2: drafting the third round. This is when camp starts. We'll
Speaker 2: see you there. Oh it wasn't the red carpet treatment
Speaker 2: you get today, right, And yeah, I had to wait
Speaker 2: around on a rotary phone to find out if I
Speaker 2: was drafted because the television coverage didn't coverage every round.
Speaker 2: I was a third round draft pick, so I didn't
Speaker 2: even know we were off the television coverage. And then
Speaker 2: when I got there, he getting a coach Parcels gave
Speaker 2: a great speech about how we just won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: so we don't really need any of you guys, but
Speaker 2: hopefully one or two of you can make the team
Speaker 2: and contribute. And so it was not a red carpet treatment.
Speaker 2: It was kind of shocking, like whoa, Like I got drafted,
Speaker 2: but there's no guarantee. And back then you'd see second
Speaker 2: and third round picks cut, like you aren't guaranteed to
Speaker 2: make team just because you were drafted. Fortunately I made
Speaker 2: the team, but unfortunately Bill Parcells stepped down and he
Speaker 2: had some hard issues as it was reported, and stepped down.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we were one of the oldest teams.
Speaker 2: We just won a Super Bowl. A lot of guys
Speaker 2: started retiring, switching teams, new ownership and then new coaches
Speaker 2: and then new players, and it just all this adversity.
Speaker 2: So you know, I love that team, like I'm a
Speaker 2: team guy too, like I love my teammates from the Giants.
Speaker 2: And then we had a coaching change and I got cut.
Speaker 2: And when I got cut, it was a wake up call, like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to business school or law school. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm gonna do like, I think I'll
Speaker 2: make a team, but I just got cut, so I
Speaker 2: don't know, And I thought, what do I want? You know,
Speaker 2: what kind of team do I want to go to?
Speaker 2: I'm a free agent. I got like four or five
Speaker 2: teams to choose from, and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. I want to go to a
Speaker 2: team that has a chance to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So I took the league minimum and went out to
Speaker 2: San Francisco. I'm like, I'm gonna try out for this team.
Speaker 2: And there were fourteen receivers and they take four, Like,
Speaker 2: imagine a team that only takes four receivers this year.
Speaker 2: But it's Jerry Rice Taylor. They had won Super Bowls already, right,
Speaker 2: those were the starters, and there's a lot of twenty
Speaker 2: one person else. They didn't play a ton of three receivers.
Speaker 2: And then it was me and Nate Singleton. But you
Speaker 2: know that those guys feel like brothers to me. I
Speaker 2: was there seven months, but like Bardoes who started at
Speaker 2: right tackle, like allowed me to ship all my boxes
Speaker 2: to his house, took us in like we were family.
Speaker 2: Steve Young was incredible, incredible to me. Got to learn
Speaker 2: from Jerry Rice. I see those guys this year. It's
Speaker 2: like a reunion. Every home game at the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 2: I'm tapping people up, all my old teammates. I'm like,
Speaker 2: and it seems like yesterday. But I was backing up Jerry,
Speaker 2: So I didn't get on the field a lot in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I got in for a couple of
Speaker 2: plays Jerry Dinga's shoulders, one of his shoulders, and I
Speaker 2: get in the game and I'm thinking, I'm going to
Speaker 2: Disney World, man, Like I had one quick catch for
Speaker 2: five yards, and like I'm just getting heated up, like
Speaker 2: I may be the one going to Disney World. And
Speaker 2: then of course Jerry comes back and I go back
Speaker 2: to the sideline. I think I had a special teams
Speaker 2: tackle on kickoff, but I was around. I mean, we
Speaker 2: had fourteen Pro Bowl players. We had the offensive player there,
Speaker 2: and Steve Young the defensive player there, and Deon sand
Speaker 2: Or so I went against every day in practice. So
Speaker 2: I'm backing up Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time,
Speaker 2: and going against Dion, greatest DV of all time, for
Speaker 2: a whole year. And I really think I got way
Speaker 2: better because of going because of learning behind Jerry and
Speaker 2: competing against Dion and then that kind of set the
Speaker 2: tone for the rest of my career with the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Is that workout?
Speaker 2: Think of Jerry Rice's sickening as it. Yeah, it's portrayed,
Speaker 2: it absolutely is. He had this hill that he used
Speaker 2: to run and the thing that was just amazing about
Speaker 2: him is his conditioning. And you don't always think about
Speaker 2: like your endurance, Like football's kind of an anaerobic sport.
Speaker 2: It's sprint stop, sprint stop, sprint stop. But he wouldn't
Speaker 2: slow down in the fourth quarter and he could run
Speaker 2: for days. We had this rule in San Francisco, which
Speaker 2: we continued in Denver, where if you're a receiver you
Speaker 2: had to catch it and finish forty yards. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: forty yards, right, So that means catch it and run
Speaker 2: a little bit and then stop. No, they had forty yards.
Speaker 2: They had a cone for forty yards. You had to
Speaker 2: sprint forty yards after every reception. Nobody does that, but
Speaker 2: he would do it every time. And if we were
Speaker 2: across midfield, Jerry would sprint to the end zone. So
Speaker 2: we literally had to start moving our drill closer to
Speaker 2: the end zone from the forties so he would get
Speaker 2: back to the huddle in time for the next play
Speaker 2: because he would score on every play. He did it
Speaker 2: all the time, for the whole practice, all year long,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking his conditioning level is off the charts.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't get tired. So that was one of
Speaker 2: his greatest skill sets. His other greatest skill set was
Speaker 2: getting off the ball quickly. Nobody got off the line
Speaker 2: off the snapcount faster than him. Was like he timed
Speaker 2: it and it was almost simultaneous. As soon as the
Speaker 2: ball even twitched, he was already off the line. So
Speaker 2: if he was a four or five guy and there
Speaker 2: was a four to three guy, he'd beat him five
Speaker 2: yards down the field because he was off the line quicker.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was after he caught the ball,
Speaker 2: he would catch it and turn off field instantly. So
Speaker 2: like all the angles for defenders, you're trying to time
Speaker 2: he's going to catch it, and then he's going to
Speaker 2: like maybe a little hesitation and then try to go upfield.
Speaker 2: It was seamless, like catching, go, catching, go, So all
Speaker 2: those shallow crosses and short routes and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I want to be more like that. And then he
Speaker 2: would he would make routes his own. Like I was
Speaker 2: always thinking, run the route exactly the way the coach
Speaker 2: tells you to run the route, right, And I'd say, well,
Speaker 2: Jerry didn't run that exactly the way the coach drew
Speaker 2: it up, right. He he ran a comeback, but he
Speaker 2: kind of bent it in on a post, and then
Speaker 2: the next time he kind of bent out and stemmed
Speaker 2: it up, and like he's getting open every time. But
Speaker 2: he's like three different ways to run the same route.
Speaker 2: And so I started copying some of that stuff and
Speaker 2: it worked. So yeah, that was a great year for me.
Speaker 2: It was a fun year. We won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: got lifelong friends from that experience, and it really helped
Speaker 2: me become a better player.
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Speaker 3: Back to the episode when Jerry's like kind of cutting
Speaker 3: it up and doing routes a little bit different the
Speaker 3: first couple of times you try to do it, where
Speaker 3: the coach is like, listen, you're not Jerry Rice, don't
Speaker 3: be doing that. Because there was a couple of times
Speaker 3: where run the road.
Speaker 2: H yeah, you're white. You know what you are? Like?
Speaker 2: Do your thing changed.
Speaker 3: Lady Walker was a guy that I played with who
Speaker 3: would just kind of run his own routes and the
Speaker 3: coaches were like de Landy Walker, you know, mix a
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl great wide receiver. He's like our only thread
Speaker 3: at the time in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and then
Speaker 3: the next tight end would come up and do the
Speaker 3: same thing, and he would just get chewed out, like
Speaker 3: you need to run the route correctly.
Speaker 2: Did you ever run into anything like that? Well, no,
Speaker 2: I'm having a flashback now. I actually the first time
Speaker 2: I stole out from Jerry was I was playing with
Speaker 2: the Giants and we played them in the playoffs and
Speaker 2: I got in the game, but I was watching film
Speaker 2: to get ready for the game with New York, but
Speaker 2: also watching their offense as well. I was just watching
Speaker 2: a lot of film. So I watched Jerry on their
Speaker 2: team run a comeback route the way I just described,
Speaker 2: where he kind of took it a little bit, the
Speaker 2: posting came back out of it, and so I ran
Speaker 2: it that way against the forty nine ers, and I
Speaker 2: was going against Merton Hanks, who was an All Pro
Speaker 2: or at least Pro Bowl cornerback and it worked. I
Speaker 2: got open and it worked. I'm like loving it. And
Speaker 2: I actually got yelled at by my coach for running
Speaker 2: it that way after the game. We lost the game,
Speaker 2: but I had a great game and those routes work.
Speaker 2: So when I got there, and maybe that influenced me
Speaker 2: to go there, I'm like, I want to learn from this, dude.
Speaker 2: I think I can up my game. I started copying
Speaker 2: everything that I could, but not every coach will allow
Speaker 2: you to do that, right. I mean, some coaches are like,
Speaker 2: you got to run it a certain way, but I
Speaker 2: think the best coaches know you to get open against
Speaker 2: the elite defenders. You have to make the route your own.
Speaker 2: If you just run a corner route, you know, you
Speaker 2: push it ten to twelve and break straight to the corner.
Speaker 2: Some dudes are just going to run right next to
Speaker 2: you the whole time if you don't create some kind
Speaker 2: of separation at the top of the stem or make
Speaker 2: it look like another route. These dudes are too good, right,
Speaker 2: And so I really helped. I think it helped me
Speaker 2: become a grow from a good player to you know,
Speaker 2: a great player.
Speaker 3: You brought up how like, you guys lost a game
Speaker 3: but you played well. How difficut that this is a
Speaker 3: player for people like watching, like when your team loses
Speaker 3: but you play amazing, Like kind of trying to suppress
Speaker 3: that kind of happy feeling that I went off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you guys know the game, right, So I
Speaker 2: mean for me, you know, some people play because of
Speaker 2: the thrill of victory, and other people play for the
Speaker 2: from the fear of failure. It's like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to disappoint the guys on my team, Like, no matter
Speaker 2: whether we win or lose, as long as I can
Speaker 2: leave this game and they know I gave them everything
Speaker 2: that's gonna have to be enough, Like I gave you
Speaker 2: everything I had. You guys know that, you watch the film,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I gave great effort. I did the best
Speaker 2: I could, man, Like, no matter what happens, you guys
Speaker 2: know that that was the most important thing to me.
Speaker 2: My teammates know that I gave them everything I had.
Speaker 2: Wind loser draw, there's held nothing back. That's all I
Speaker 2: got for you. I gave you everything. That's that's the
Speaker 2: most important thing. You want to win because it's so
Speaker 2: much more fun to celebrate, but you know, it's the
Speaker 2: respect to your teammates, man, that means everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it true? I would hear that there were
Speaker 1: old war stories and maybe they're just old tall tales,
Speaker 1: but Deon Sanders would tie his hands behind his back
Speaker 1: when trying to cover and trying to work and get
Speaker 1: better against Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2: Is that true or false? I can't say it never happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it happen, but I can't say that
Speaker 2: it never happened. So that was a great way to answer.
Speaker 2: That's a great answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I bet those battles were just, you know,
Speaker 1: fun to watch, like knowing Dion Prime Time. The style
Speaker 1: of is are you surprised with the success as a
Speaker 1: head coach.
Speaker 2: Not at all. Man, He's a competitor. He's incredibly smart
Speaker 2: football coach, and you know, I really cherish that opportunity
Speaker 2: to go against him in practice every year. I remember
Speaker 2: at one point, you know, I actually had sprained my
Speaker 2: ankle in this charity basketball game. I warned my kids
Speaker 2: all the time, by the way, you know, don't goof
Speaker 2: around doing stupid stuff during the season. Yet I learned
Speaker 2: the hard way because I played in a basketball game
Speaker 2: spray my ankle. Probably one of the reasons I got
Speaker 2: cut by the Giants in hindsight. And then and then
Speaker 2: I go and you know, I have it all wrapped
Speaker 2: up like in a cast, and like as a receiver,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a little easier to get away when you're alignment,
Speaker 2: but as a receiver you need full ankle flexion to run.
Speaker 2: And so I'm in this cast and you know, they're
Speaker 2: doing everything they're putting like EMU a lot, like maybe
Speaker 2: the inflammation and whatever they can do. And it was
Speaker 2: like one hundred and twenty degrees in Rockland, California, at
Speaker 2: training camp, and I'm walking out there and like just
Speaker 2: in this cast, there's fourteen receivers. Like, first they put
Speaker 2: me in a bunk bed with like eight dudes. There's
Speaker 2: like eight dudes in a room in bunks. Like the
Speaker 2: size of this. I'm like, I had to go up
Speaker 2: to George Siefert and say, dude, if you want to
Speaker 2: cut me, cut me, but I can't. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to stay in a room full of bunk beds with
Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes that I know are going to
Speaker 2: be here. And I thought he was going to cut
Speaker 2: me on spot, but he moved me into my own room.
Speaker 2: It was nice. Yeah, that's a good power play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I swear to you. I thought I was gonna get cut,
Speaker 2: But I'm walking out to practice. I'm like, look, I'm
Speaker 2: in these bunk beds, I'm in a cast. I got
Speaker 2: to go into Deon Sanders in this boot that I'm
Speaker 2: wearing every day. And I thought, you know what if
Speaker 2: I beat him on one slant route, I'll tell my
Speaker 2: kids about it for the rest of my life, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like just in practice forget the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of the mentality had. So
Speaker 2: I took pride and going against him. He made me
Speaker 2: a lot better. I'd like to think that I didn't
Speaker 2: let him take plays off in practice, and I think
Speaker 2: that's why we won a super Bowl and had such
Speaker 2: a great team. And it was the same with Jerry.
Speaker 2: Like I remember we would run sprints and I was
Speaker 2: always fresher because he played a whole game, right, I
Speaker 2: mean like ten plays in the game. Some special teams.
Speaker 2: I'm fresh on Monday, and so we do conditioning. I just,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I just go full speed just to
Speaker 2: piss them off. Then he'd start going full speed. We
Speaker 2: did that before the Super Bowl one year. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like end of one of the practice and we're
Speaker 2: conditioning just to get a little extra running in light.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm feeling good, man, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't play that much. I'm feeling great, So I
Speaker 2: just take off full speed. And so the next rep
Speaker 2: we do, Jerry and John Taylor must have winked at
Speaker 2: each other and all right, you're gonna go full speed.
Speaker 2: So they start running full speed just in this after
Speaker 2: practice condition I just hear coach Shannan go stop. I'm panicking.
Speaker 2: He's like, we don't need Jerry to pull a hammy.
Speaker 2: Like the week before the Super Bowl, I know it
Speaker 2: wasn't because of me. He didn't care if I pulled
Speaker 2: a hammy, But it was just funny. But I liked
Speaker 2: pushing him. But Jerry would never shy away from a challenge.
Speaker 2: That guy was so competitive. It was he's still competitive.
Speaker 2: He still let the games running around totally dialed into
Speaker 2: what's going on by five in people like he's just
Speaker 2: tired that way. Do you ever get that slant route? Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah he did. He did won a couple. Well, when
Speaker 2: you have a whole season of practice, you better win
Speaker 2: at least one slant rup.
Speaker 1: Any good ship talking stories with Dion.
Speaker 2: Dion, you know he was the greatest teammate. He didn't
Speaker 2: he didn't talk smack ever in practice.
Speaker 1: What about in the game, like you witness just been
Speaker 1: on the sideline and seeing Dion work, Well.
Speaker 2: I saw Dion. You know they they tested him a
Speaker 2: couple of times earlier in the season, and once against
Speaker 2: Atlanta they tested him and you know he had played there,
Speaker 2: and he high stepped from the fifty yard line all
Speaker 2: the way to the goal line while looking on the
Speaker 2: sidelines holding the ball up in the air. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my, like not too many humans can do that.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he did against his old team.
Speaker 2: It was just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: That's all time, uh going to uh you know, your
Speaker 1: next your next super Bowl. But Denver's like John Elwie's
Speaker 1: first super Bowl. He was like oher and three going
Speaker 1: into that game against the Packers, correct, and that was
Speaker 1: his first super Bowl, right, it was Yeah, What's what's
Speaker 1: funny is I was like looking up. I was looking
Speaker 1: up this game and the Packers were favored by eleven
Speaker 1: points going to the super Bowl, going in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: When you got I think it was super Bowl in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the week it was fourteen and then
Speaker 2: we stopped paying attention to it. But we had we
Speaker 2: had an agreement we're not going to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Shannon earlier in the episode. Shannon's a
Speaker 2: talker and for him not to talk any smack for
Speaker 2: two weeks is a minor miracle. I couldn't believe you
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. But we were dialed in the year
Speaker 2: before we lost to Jacksonville at home, and we were
Speaker 2: the better team, where we were the best team in
Speaker 2: the NFL right until we weren't. You know, we got
Speaker 2: upset by Jacksonville at home. They went on an incredible
Speaker 2: run when like five games in a row they beat
Speaker 2: us at home. But we were fourteen and two, thought
Speaker 2: we were the best team in the league. Took one
Speaker 2: bad game to get knocked out. So that next year
Speaker 2: we were just totally dialed. You know. We went on
Speaker 2: the road every game. We had to go to Kansas
Speaker 2: City and Pittsburgh when games on the road against really
Speaker 2: good teams with great coaches, and we found a way
Speaker 2: to do it. So by the time we got to
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, there's no there's nothing to say. Let's
Speaker 2: just go get it done. Nobody said a word in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the week. We were fourteen point underdogs,
Speaker 2: but we had all the confidence in the world. We
Speaker 2: thought we should have won the Super Bowl the year before,
Speaker 2: but because we didn't and got upset by Jackson, well,
Speaker 2: people kind of forgot about us and they were like
Speaker 2: Green Bay had won the Super Bowl the year before.
Speaker 2: They were the favorite, and they were a great team.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had Hall of famers on their team.
Speaker 2: But there was no doubt in our mind. I can't
Speaker 2: you guys have been around teams where you're confident and
Speaker 2: it's not false bravado. It's like we're really confident, like
Speaker 2: we believed we would win and we did against a
Speaker 2: great team.
Speaker 3: Never made the chance to get go to a super
Speaker 3: Bowl though, which is heartbreaking. Oh we were two quarters
Speaker 3: away against the Chief, Yeah, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: That's why great players not all. I mean a lot
Speaker 2: of great players never get to one or get to
Speaker 2: one and don't win one.
Speaker 3: And it's mahomes, it is forty five running around on
Speaker 3: a two minute drill.
Speaker 2: We would have got it. It's not about me, though.
Speaker 2: It feels a lot light, but no, you know the
Speaker 2: feeling like you know exactly how hard it is to
Speaker 2: get to these games and win them. There's no guarantees, right,
Speaker 2: and it's hard work. It's determinations having all the right players,
Speaker 2: it's the coaches making the right cause. Some of it's
Speaker 2: the way the ball bounces, too.
Speaker 3: And it's not just like like you think in high
Speaker 3: school when you're playing, it's like, oh, we'll get them
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 2: We'll get them next year.
Speaker 3: And then once you in the NFL for a couple
Speaker 3: of years and you taste a little bit of like
Speaker 3: playoff success, you think, all right, next year, we're gonna
Speaker 3: get over the hump and it's like that's not always
Speaker 3: the case. Sometimes you guys just might suck. There'll be
Speaker 3: a lot of turnover on the team, and so you
Speaker 3: have to like take advantage of those opportunities while they're there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were the one seed in Here I go again.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: We were the one seed in twenty one and we
Speaker 3: got upset by the Bengals, and it was like we
Speaker 3: really thought like this is the year. Like we just
Speaker 3: Derek Henry came back all that. We're like, this is
Speaker 3: really going to be the year that the Titans win
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I played on a team like that in New York
Speaker 2: my first year. They just won the Super Bowl. That
Speaker 2: was the year they beat the Bills. They held on
Speaker 2: to the ball for like forty nine minutes, right, they
Speaker 2: beat the They beat the Bills in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and I'm with all those legends, Lawrence Taylor and Phil
Speaker 2: Simms and you know, Oj Anderson was the MVP of
Speaker 2: that game, and they had a lot of the same
Speaker 2: guys back. And the expectation going into that season is
Speaker 2: we're going to win the Super Bowl again. We just
Speaker 2: want it. We're gonna win it again. Yeah, and we
Speaker 2: finished eight and eight, where it was do.
Speaker 1: You gotta I was just gonna ask if you had
Speaker 1: an iconic Lawrence Taylor story.
Speaker 2: There's so many iconic Lawrence Taylor stories. I'll share one
Speaker 2: with you. You know. It was frowned upon to hold
Speaker 2: out during training camp, but I was a third round
Speaker 2: draft pick and held out for like eight days. So
Speaker 2: when I finally get there, it's in Fairley Dickinson University,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's the old wooden lockers and they
Speaker 2: have like your name and tape with a sharpie written
Speaker 2: on the top of these wooden locker you know, ad
Speaker 2: hoc lockers they made at Fairly Dickenson University's you know,
Speaker 2: basketball gym, auxiliary gym. And I'm walking through. These guys
Speaker 2: already been through a week of practice, and it's hot
Speaker 2: and humid and Fairly Dickinson in New Jersey in August.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking through. You know, it's the locker room,
Speaker 2: smells like locker room. Keep walking through. I look up
Speaker 2: at my locker and my name is spelled wrong, of
Speaker 2: course on my locker. But I sit down and sure
Speaker 2: enough I'm between Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm the receiver from Stanford. How do I get between
Speaker 2: two all pro linebackers. And I sit down and they
Speaker 2: were just finishing their first practice. But back then, like
Speaker 2: as soon as you sign get out to practice, so
Speaker 2: they just finished the first practice. I'm like, making sure
Speaker 2: all my equipment's there. I sit down. Lawrence's lockers just disaster.
Speaker 2: It was a messy locker. There's stories about, you know,
Speaker 2: the equipment guy's finding game checks in the bottom of
Speaker 2: the locker. They didn't even know we're there, things like that.
Speaker 2: I found out about that later. But anyway, I sit
Speaker 2: down and you know, they both come back and I'm like,
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor just sat next to me, Like I already
Speaker 2: know Lawrence Taylor. He's famous already right for on in
Speaker 2: off field. And then the other guy you knows, Carl Banks.
Speaker 2: He's like six six, you know, NFL Pro Bowl linebacker,
Speaker 2: they just won the Super Bowl. And Lawrence is like,
Speaker 2: hey man, anyone's seeing my cleat? He was like missing
Speaker 2: a cleat or something. And Carl's like, no, man, I
Speaker 2: think this dude took it. And I've never met them.
Speaker 2: I don't even you know, haven't formally been introduced. And
Speaker 2: they both stand up as I'm sitting in my locker
Speaker 2: and they're just towering over me. They're like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: you got my cleat and they're not messing around, like
Speaker 2: it seems like they're just going to beat the crap
Speaker 2: out of me on day one, and I'm thinking, my
Speaker 2: first day in the NFL is my last day in
Speaker 2: the NFL. And then he's like, ah, I'm just messing
Speaker 2: with you and slaps me on the back super hard,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what your happened? That's my I just
Speaker 2: got here having met these guys.
Speaker 1: Yea in the yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Minutes, lord, Yeah, thank the Lord. They were kidding around,
Speaker 2: but he was smart. He had an incredible sense of humor.
Speaker 2: He was very funny dude, and he was a great teammate.
Speaker 2: But in games, I do believe he's the greatest defender
Speaker 2: of all time. Like I watched him in games and
Speaker 2: tackles would just quiver, Like You're like you, dude, you
Speaker 2: got to help me out. Put a tight end over here,
Speaker 2: running back something. Don't leave me one on one with
Speaker 2: his dude, because he's just one of those guys like
Speaker 2: when he walks in the room, he's the alpha, and
Speaker 2: nobody questions it. Oh yeah, that's LT. That's the alpha. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's one of those guys in the weight room.
Speaker 2: He just had like that natural I don't know if
Speaker 2: you want to call it like Dad's strength, that you
Speaker 2: would call it. Where he'd walk in and I never
Speaker 2: really saw him lift a lot, but when he did,
Speaker 2: I'm like that dude's pushing like ridiculous weight and this
Speaker 2: is the first time I've seen him lift. Is he
Speaker 2: lift at home or something? Like where's he working out?
Speaker 2: Like right? And uh, you know, he's like six five
Speaker 2: two fifty something, runs under four or five. You know,
Speaker 2: they had clips of him as rookie running down as
Speaker 2: the gunner, just out running DB's to tackle the punt
Speaker 2: returner and he's just a specimen. Some guys just have
Speaker 2: it all, man. He also had also another LT story.
Speaker 2: He remember one game, not all players are treated the same,
Speaker 2: you know that, right, So like if this happened to me,
Speaker 2: I would have been cutting a second. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess he was, like I don't know what the story was,
Speaker 2: why he was later what happened to his car, But
Speaker 2: he comes running out during the national anthem where they're
Speaker 2: you know, they're playing the national anthem and out of
Speaker 2: the corner of my eye, I see this guy running
Speaker 2: onto the field, his jersey halfway on, like trying to
Speaker 2: get the rest of his jersey on his shoulder pads,
Speaker 2: runs out during the national anthem, like missed the pre game,
Speaker 2: missed everything, and then totally had a sack on the
Speaker 2: first defensive possession. Like it's like he didn't even need
Speaker 2: to warm up, Like he just showed up right before
Speaker 2: the game, gets a sack, like nothing ever happened, Like
Speaker 2: you missed the whole pregame. Nobody said anything to nobody
Speaker 2: said a word.
Speaker 3: That's like the ultimate nightmare when you're playing sports, is
Speaker 3: like you have a dream that you're supposed to get
Speaker 3: to the game, but you can't get to the game,
Speaker 3: and like the national is going on, and you're like
Speaker 3: trying to get dressed as fast as possible. But what
Speaker 3: would happen to most people, Right, Yeah, you're getting chewed out,
Speaker 3: you're probably getting benched, window or ile. Right, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: out of here, whereas lt okay tar up Man, get
Speaker 3: your jersey on and your it's third.
Speaker 1: Reuyser helping um keeping the jersey, thank god, thank god.
Speaker 2: No, but he was I mean, I was blessed to
Speaker 2: play with so many great players, and he was one
Speaker 2: of them. Like to play with somebody who's considered the
Speaker 2: greatest of his position or what you know, if not
Speaker 2: the greatest defensive player of all time, And I got
Speaker 2: to play with that guy. Was pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna slash yourself.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: You showed a lot of humility. Obviously when we introduced you,
Speaker 3: we start clapping for you. You start clapping as well. Here's
Speaker 3: a team guy, through and through. I was watching a
Speaker 3: video with the Broncos and there was like one of
Speaker 3: the reporters, somebody that works with the Broncos, and they're
Speaker 3: asking you your top three favorite plays as a Bronco.
Speaker 3: Two of those three plays, you weren't even the one
Speaker 3: making the catch or anything. One was a victory formation
Speaker 3: and when was you watching a teammates score a touchdown? No,
Speaker 3: you're gonna win the Super Bowl? And then third one
Speaker 3: obviously it was a great catch by you in the Inzon.
Speaker 3: But what what are your three favorite plays of all
Speaker 3: time that you were like the main receiver.
Speaker 2: Four? Oh gosh, I don't even know you mentioned the
Speaker 2: victory formation that was Super Bowl thirty two is the
Speaker 2: Broncos for Super Bowl And I got to be that
Speaker 2: point of the v in the back and just watching
Speaker 2: the clock just slowly picks late down to zero. Man,
Speaker 2: I think about it almost every day. It was like
Speaker 2: the greatest experience of all time and just family running
Speaker 2: onto the field and just John always crying and laughing
Speaker 2: at the same time as just the first Super Bowl
Speaker 2: den for ever won and what a blessing to be
Speaker 2: part of that. Like, you know, I'd won one super
Speaker 2: Bowl the Niners was kind of a backup role, but
Speaker 2: it was such a cool thing to win a Super
Speaker 2: Bowl with my teammates. But this one was like incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean to see the look on Broncos fans' faces.
Speaker 2: So many had like generationally gone to games with their
Speaker 2: dad or uncles or families, and some of them had passed.
Speaker 2: And then finally the Broncos win, and John fought his
Speaker 2: whole career for that, and we worked so hard and
Speaker 2: we were such big underdogs, right, I mean, that was
Speaker 2: that's tough to beat. You're not gonna beat that one,
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know. I remember some of the
Speaker 2: plays I made. I don't remember all of them. People
Speaker 2: sometimes remind me of plays I don't remember making because
Speaker 2: it was always, you know, make a play, turn the
Speaker 2: page onto the next. So I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: have favorite plays of myself. I have favorite memories, and
Speaker 2: usually you know those around the big games Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: The one you mentioned about Rod Smith called a touchdown
Speaker 2: against Atlanta that was such a big pivotal play in
Speaker 2: our game that helped us win. And I get to
Speaker 2: see that play because I was you know, he was
Speaker 2: in front of me, and I get to like chase
Speaker 2: him down the field and watch him score. But so
Speaker 2: much that happens in those games you don't see, right
Speaker 2: you're doing your job. You don't see what everyone else
Speaker 2: is doing unless you go back and watch the film.
Speaker 2: And one of the interesting things about Super Bowls is
Speaker 2: the season's over after that game, So I've probably watched
Speaker 2: those games less than any other games. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: If somebody not answering your question, It's my favorite thing
Speaker 3: that's ever happened. That's my favorite episode ever.
Speaker 2: If you put them all up on it, I pick them.
Speaker 2: If you put them up, I don't even I don't
Speaker 2: remember half of them.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess there was a good, good one against
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Anyone that was longer than second touchdown, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be fun. But no, I don't really, I
Speaker 2: don't put them in order. I loved all of them.
Speaker 2: Even the blocks, even even blocking in the run game.
Speaker 2: Like one of my favorite feelings was if TD flew
Speaker 2: past me and like I knew, I took care of
Speaker 2: my guy, like I played tackle right, Like we're kindre
Speaker 2: spirits here. So as a receiver, Hell yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got on the field if I didn't block,
Speaker 2: Like that's how I got on the field. That's how
Speaker 2: Rod Smith got on the field. So we'd have like
Speaker 2: these little side bets five ten bucks. Dude, I bet
Speaker 2: I have more decleaders than you. They saying, hell no,
Speaker 2: you won't have more decleaders than me. And then we'd like,
Speaker 2: let's get our team, let's get our head coach Mike
Speaker 2: Shanahan to stop the tape because he's going to have
Speaker 2: to because we're going to declete somebody in this game.
Speaker 2: And we would just literally go for decleaders, not just
Speaker 2: not just blocks. Yeah, five or ten bucks. I'm like,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, he was undrafted, I little light.
Speaker 1: He's like in the middle of career going on to
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny though it didn't take more than that. All right,
Speaker 2: you're on, man, let's do it. It was more of
Speaker 2: the pride thing right. The money was nothing, but it
Speaker 2: was so fun. And that was your My first year
Speaker 2: with the Broncos, I didn't play that much, but competing
Speaker 2: with Rod to get decleaders and just the feeling you
Speaker 2: get when you're head coach, when you're not one of
Speaker 2: the main guys on the team, you're not a starter,
Speaker 2: you're backup. When he stops the film in front of
Speaker 2: the whole team after the game, he said, oh, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, who's that Orally, let's check this out. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: there we go. Right, We just look at each other
Speaker 2: like all right. It was just such a fun feeling. Man,
Speaker 2: ball was fun. That's the best I feel like.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say in a team meeting, when
Speaker 3: you when there's literally a pause and a highlight on
Speaker 3: you and you get to go watch it through and
Speaker 3: the pride that just goes to your body, and then
Speaker 3: on the flip side the low light, you're just like,
Speaker 3: please God, I had.
Speaker 2: One of those two. And you're right, it's the worst
Speaker 2: feeling in the world. You just feel like you've let
Speaker 2: everybody down and they don't. You know, Coach Shanahan would
Speaker 2: never embarrass you. He doesn't call people out to embarrass them,
Speaker 2: but he like want, he has high expectations. So we
Speaker 2: think we had a gam against Cleveland where we lost
Speaker 2: and that happened to me, and you're right, I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, I played pretty well. I had a pretty
Speaker 2: good game. Actually statistically it was one of my better games.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, guys, this is what we need
Speaker 2: to do to get better. And I'm like clipping number three,
Speaker 2: like diving for a ball in the back of the
Speaker 2: end zone then went off my fingertips and even to
Speaker 2: this day, I'm like, I don't know if I could
Speaker 2: have caught it. But he's like, these are the plays
Speaker 2: we have to make. And I'm like, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know something about when you do an offense, it's one thing,
Speaker 2: but when the whole team's in there, like the defenses
Speaker 2: in there, the other side of the ball, all the coaches,
Speaker 2: it's like you, I mean, you feel like you let
Speaker 2: your team down. You feel sick to your stomach. But
Speaker 2: it's done in a professional way, and it just make
Speaker 2: sure that you don't exhale right nobody, Hey, even if
Speaker 2: you had a good game, you have a play in
Speaker 2: this game where you could have done better that could
Speaker 2: have been the difference in the game. We need to
Speaker 2: make these plays to win, and that was the expectation.
Speaker 2: But you're right, the feeling you get is just nausea. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like it.
Speaker 1: I felt like coach Shane and he always he probably
Speaker 1: is probably obviously throughout his career, but I felt like
Speaker 1: he always did a good job of calling out, you know,
Speaker 1: calling out guys in team meetings and hyping them up,
Speaker 1: and whether it's the low lights, having the teaching moments
Speaker 1: and everything else, but he would always like spotlight guys
Speaker 1: basically in all of our team meetings, like every day.
Speaker 1: Like I remember my first call out. I was just
Speaker 1: on practice squad and I played it sucked. I had
Speaker 1: to full back, tight end, linebacker, and he I got
Speaker 1: to stand up and he's just talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: all the different things that I would have to do
Speaker 1: and everything else, and I just remember it was like
Speaker 1: the best feeling in the world. Later that day, after practice,
Speaker 1: he tried talking me into fullback and gave me some
Speaker 1: run around story about how some linebacker went to fullback
Speaker 1: in Denver. And from that moment I intentionally played poorly
Speaker 1: as a fullback because I did not want to go
Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you have a good feel for
Speaker 2: how Kyle Shanahan coaches because he does it in a
Speaker 2: very similar way. He speaks to every position on the team.
Speaker 2: But as you tell me, it's a defensive player. When
Speaker 2: your head coaches, your offensive coordinator knows your job and
Speaker 2: your responsibility and talks about it in front of the
Speaker 2: whole team, does that gain him a little extra respect
Speaker 2: than a coach that might be a figurehead who isn't
Speaker 2: sure exactly what you're doing on your side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like Shanahan because he would float around
Speaker 1: all the different position meetings as well, and I felt
Speaker 1: like he had just as good of a grass defensively
Speaker 1: as he did offensively. But yeah, when you'd get a
Speaker 1: call out like that or understanding like okay, he knows
Speaker 1: all these things that are going on, it was like
Speaker 1: it was cool because when we were like growing up
Speaker 1: like Denver, I mean we were like what ten to
Speaker 1: eleven when all when those team were win those championships,
Speaker 1: So you guys were like, you know, in front of everybody,
Speaker 1: like you just remember the Shannon Sharfs of Trell Davis
Speaker 1: d Ed McCaffrey's and uh, coach Shanahan being that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winning coach, So getting that one year was just
Speaker 1: super cool because you'd see him on TV all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this dude's you, this dud's your head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got a feel for that, because that's
Speaker 1: the Kyle. You know, he made this team his own
Speaker 1: and like things have changed offensively scheme wise, but he
Speaker 1: takes the same approach. And then I have to be
Speaker 1: a football coach. I have to know everybody's assignment. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch every position meeting. I'm gonna know offense, defense,
Speaker 1: special teams. I'm gonna have team meetings where I talk
Speaker 1: about offense, defense and special teams in front of everybody.
Speaker 3: M H.
Speaker 2: And I think, I think what it does when you
Speaker 2: have a coach like that, it makes everyone kind of
Speaker 2: sit up a little straighter. It makes everyone respect him
Speaker 2: because they know he knows their assignment, you know, on
Speaker 2: their site the ball and uh and they they believe
Speaker 2: in them and they trust in them. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing with the forty nine.
Speaker 1: Ers earlier when you were talking about your uh that
Speaker 1: first Bronco Super Bowl. The way you guys felt like
Speaker 1: should have won the year before, going fourteen to two,
Speaker 1: you lose one to Jacksonville, and there was just that
Speaker 1: confidence of like, hey, there's nothing to say, we got
Speaker 1: to go out win the Super Bowl. Do that matter
Speaker 1: if you guys were eleven point underdogs. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a very similar situation around right now with the Niners.
Speaker 1: Like you go in you lost Brock last year against
Speaker 1: the Eagles, like you were a team that you probably
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, we're going to do it this year,
Speaker 1: and then you don't. I feel like that expectation for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers this year is like, hey, there's
Speaker 1: like nothing to say, like we have to take care of.
Speaker 2: Business against the Chiefs. Yeah, there's I mean there's no
Speaker 2: talking doesn't do anything right. And I think you know,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs have been to a few Super Bowls, right,
Speaker 2: they're the same way. It's like, hey, they know that
Speaker 2: nothing you say is going to make a difference. You
Speaker 2: got to go out and play. And I think the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers understand that. I do think you know,
Speaker 2: when you have a young quarterback in different players on
Speaker 2: your team, it doesn't mean something. When you know if
Speaker 2: you lose a championship game, because your quarterback got hurt.
Speaker 2: And then you play the same team week thirteen, and
Speaker 2: then you go out and beat them pretty good. I
Speaker 2: think that builds confidence, right. I think when you're down
Speaker 2: seventeen in the championship game and you're like, we're facing
Speaker 2: the biggest comeback in championship history, and then you come
Speaker 2: back and win the game, it does give you some confidence.
Speaker 2: And I think when you get into the big, big game,
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, right, you do draw on that. Hey,
Speaker 2: no matter what the score is, we're never out of this.
Speaker 2: So no matter how this unfolds, you believe in yourself.
Speaker 2: We don't need to change what we're doing. We've been
Speaker 2: here before. You hope everything goes well and you got
Speaker 2: the lead and everything goes great the whole game. But
Speaker 2: if it doesn't, you don't blink. You don't have to
Speaker 2: change what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also haven't put four quarters together yet,
Speaker 3: like they have not done in the play sixteen minutes
Speaker 3: of football, coming together a couple of years ago, losing
Speaker 3: too the same team, like this is just breeding a
Speaker 3: like a get back year.
Speaker 2: Let's hope they do it this this game, right, Let's
Speaker 2: put it all together this week because defensively. If we
Speaker 2: can put the second half of Green Bay in the
Speaker 2: second half Detroit together in that one game defensively, then
Speaker 2: offensively take the second half and put that together, it
Speaker 2: would be one heck of a game. But I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to it. Man, It's going to be a close game.
Speaker 2: Two great teams. You know, Kansas City is looking at
Speaker 2: a dynasty. There's nothing to say. You just got to
Speaker 2: go and play ball.
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Speaker 2: What's the prediction? I never I never predicted anything. I
Speaker 2: think this one give a prediction. This is my prediction.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a hell of a game, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be close, and it's going to be
Speaker 2: hard fought, and the team that makes the most plays
Speaker 2: at the end of the day will win it.
Speaker 1: But so what's your prediction? I close game, Niners on top.
Speaker 2: You know, as as if this was if I didn't
Speaker 2: have a kid playing in it, I'd feel free making
Speaker 2: a prediction. But whenever I watch my kids games, it's like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm a dad. Now, I'm taking off my coach's cap
Speaker 2: putting on my dad's cap. I love you, I'm here,
Speaker 2: free no matter what me cheering for you on game
Speaker 2: day and uh, and you know, hopefully it goes well.
Speaker 1: Do we got a dad hat for him? It would
Speaker 1: have been greaty we just throw on the old Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well also, I just got a package at the room
Speaker 3: that came in. I have a whole bunch of dad
Speaker 3: hats and bust and Mark.
Speaker 1: I just picture him just saying that I take off
Speaker 1: my coach and then he just all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: dat Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, put your dad hat on. No,
Speaker 2: but it's it's tough man, because you uh, you know,
Speaker 2: anything I say, thank you, I love it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: am honored I earned a dad hat. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: But you know, if I say anything, it'll be repeated.
Speaker 2: So I'm hope. I think it's two great teams. What
Speaker 2: are you going to do? You guys have played ball.
Speaker 2: You came so close, right, and you been a lot
Speaker 2: in a lot of games, won some, loss some and
Speaker 2: you know, we've watched a lot of Super Bowls. So
Speaker 2: I'm hoping the forty nine ers, like you said, put
Speaker 2: two halves together and get it done. But I played
Speaker 2: in too many games, one too many, lost too many
Speaker 2: to make predictions.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the Christian McCaffrey Foundation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started that a few years ago and it
Speaker 2: started out helping military families. He is so invested in
Speaker 2: helping military families and from you know, military men and
Speaker 2: women that come back and need help after they've served
Speaker 2: our country to helping their families. And I know right
Speaker 2: now there's some specific things he's trying to do to
Speaker 2: help them recover and take care of their bodies and
Speaker 2: deal with their physical issues that he's trying to help
Speaker 2: them with, especially you know, some of the rangers in
Speaker 2: high level military personnel, and so it started out helping them,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of expanded to also helping out children
Speaker 2: in hospitals across the country. You know, he had this kid, Logan,
Speaker 2: who's not no longer with us, just incredible kid who
Speaker 2: was in the hospital and the children's ward, and all
Speaker 2: he wanted to do was play video games with his friends.
Speaker 2: But you're sequestered, you're away from your friends, and there's
Speaker 2: it's really hard to play video games online with everybody,
Speaker 2: and maybe the hospitals didn't have those units. So he
Speaker 2: created the Logan Bowl last year where kids and hospitals
Speaker 2: around the country could play with their friends on these
Speaker 2: consoles and so that's a really really cool thing that
Speaker 2: he did as well. So it means a lot to
Speaker 2: him to give back. You know, Logan was buried in
Speaker 2: Christian's jersey in Carolina, and he had he had such like, dude,
Speaker 2: when that happens, like it's tugging on your heartstrings. It
Speaker 2: had such an impact on Christian. I mean, he had
Speaker 2: more influence on Christian than Christian had on him. But
Speaker 2: like in his name, he wants to continue to be
Speaker 2: able to give kids that experience when they're hospitalized, for them,
Speaker 2: for their families. And so he had a Logan Bowl
Speaker 2: last year where a bunch of NFL guys competed online
Speaker 2: in this little playoffs and and it was a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. But supporting military families and supporting you know,
Speaker 2: kids in hospitals across the country's always been really important
Speaker 2: to him. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I know, you guys. You also have some youth football,
Speaker 1: some youth football camps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing a camp, gosh since my kids
Speaker 2: were little. Originally it was just for them and their bodies,
Speaker 2: just rolled a ball in the park and started getting
Speaker 2: more and more kids together all down. Yeah, let's play
Speaker 2: ball and then over the years, I just realized there's
Speaker 2: so many kids. I never went to a football camp
Speaker 2: growing up. I played basketball, never even went to a
Speaker 2: football camp. Started playing a high school, played little league football,
Speaker 2: but just signed up for my team. Never went to
Speaker 2: a camp to learn how to play football, and never
Speaker 2: learned speed training or sports performance. I'd like to teach
Speaker 2: some of these kids some of the stuff I learned
Speaker 2: over the years that might not have access to this
Speaker 2: type of stuff. So we bring in Lauren Lando and
Speaker 2: his sports performance staff. He was the sports trainer for
Speaker 2: the Broncos for a number of years, of strength coach
Speaker 2: and now he's at Notre Dame. But we'd bring in
Speaker 2: him and his crew and they teach him speed training,
Speaker 2: Like you know, a lot of kids didn't learn that
Speaker 2: back when I was growing up. I'm like, I want
Speaker 2: them to learn about speed training. And then we'd bring
Speaker 2: in celebrity NFL coaches and players to talk to the
Speaker 2: kids about their experience and about you know, the importance
Speaker 2: of staying in school and getting good grades, and they'd
Speaker 2: share their stories. And then a lot of high school
Speaker 2: and college and NFL coaches love to coach. Some of
Speaker 2: these guys are no longer coaching, but they love ball.
Speaker 2: And so between teaching the kids the game in a
Speaker 2: very safe way, teaching them speed training, letting them here
Speaker 2: from motivational speakers, helping the coaches who want to coach,
Speaker 2: you know, work for four days in the summer. It's
Speaker 2: just to feel good for me. I just love doing it.
Speaker 2: Overnight camp, No, it's a four day day camp, and
Speaker 2: we have two camps during the same four days. We
Speaker 2: have an Elite camp, which is for athletes that really
Speaker 2: want to learn one specific position, so you know, older
Speaker 2: kids but still under eighth grade, and then an open
Speaker 2: camp for anybody, and we bring in a lot of
Speaker 2: kids from the Boys and Girls Club and other organizations,
Speaker 2: kids from military families, and you don't have to have
Speaker 2: ever played football before. There's no pads. It's seven on
Speaker 2: seven and skill training and speed training.
Speaker 1: That's cool. If kids were interested in going to one
Speaker 1: of those, where could they find on.
Speaker 2: That sports eddie dot Com. It's sports Eddie, Yeah, sports Eddie,
Speaker 2: but it's s p R T s E D d
Speaker 2: Y sports like an eddie, like if you're a fisherman. Okay,
Speaker 2: sports Eddie dot Com. We've been doing camp for like
Speaker 2: over twenty years and it's the highlight of my summer.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it every June seventeenth through the twentieth. This year,
Speaker 2: kids flying from out out of state. Some of my
Speaker 2: old high school buddies bring their kids from Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people vacation in Colorado and they'll mark
Speaker 2: their calendars for that week just so their kids can
Speaker 2: have some fun playing ball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is really cool, man.
Speaker 2: You got anything else?
Speaker 1: I do not, JP, Mitch, anybody got anything for mister McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: The only way for Christian to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: was for you to lose all yours?
Speaker 2: Would you do it? So?
Speaker 1: JP just asked if.
Speaker 3: Here go ahead, JP, if the only way, if the
Speaker 3: only way for Christian to win a super Bowl would
Speaker 3: be you lose all of yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not good. I'm not getting in these hypotheticals.
Speaker 2: But you got to answer that question. That question. I
Speaker 2: don't have to answer that question. You don't have to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you guys think you can take.
Speaker 2: You're right that you care more about your kids than
Speaker 2: you care about yourself, at least I do, like so,
Speaker 2: I want I want so badly for him to have
Speaker 2: success and to win. But I don't you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I got my friends and my teammates and Christians experience
Speaker 2: back then in my family. And but I would I
Speaker 2: would pay, you know, I would give up a lot
Speaker 2: for him to be able to have that experience, including
Speaker 2: just not your Super Bowl rings. I will give them
Speaker 2: all three of the Marty trophies in my office, uh,
Speaker 2: for him to win this one. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: I tell you what, I know you do that progudgingly.
Speaker 3: So thank you for dealing with us. No, no, it
Speaker 3: is man, it's I'm telling you. It changes your world.
Speaker 3: You've seen some like gymnastics or ballet or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you watch your kids run around like what wouldn't
Speaker 3: you do for your kids?
Speaker 1: I know, man, it is. It is really cool. Man,
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for coming on. This was this is
Speaker 1: all the time. I couldn't wait whenever we booked you,
Speaker 1: we couldn't wait until see him, Like, hey man, we
Speaker 1: got your old man, it's coming on.
Speaker 2: I got my phones right here.
Speaker 3: I texted him. I said we got you on, and
Speaker 3: all I said it was big ed that's it. Yeah, big,
Speaker 3: not a lot of words anything for me, Like we
Speaker 3: can get you like cooking going. He's like big ed,
Speaker 3: it's awesome.
Speaker 2: He's focused.
Speaker 3: He's he's focused. He's not I'll tell you what he Yeah,
Speaker 3: because the NFC Championship game, he had that hit towards
Speaker 3: the end zone where he kind of went off the
Speaker 3: head a little bit, and I was like, hey man,
Speaker 3: that like you could see him kind of like looking around,
Speaker 3: give me one and you only see Christian.
Speaker 2: Do they give me one thing? Ever?
Speaker 3: So I text him after the game. I was like,
Speaker 3: hey man, saw the hit. Hope you're all good. Good
Speaker 3: luck in a couple of weeks. He's like, I'm fine.
Speaker 3: That was his response. I was like, oh fuck, yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: that got me fired up.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, he was fine. He just he needed one.
Speaker 2: He you know, he never likes coming out, but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he was good to go. He was ready to come
Speaker 2: back in if they if they needed him too. But
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons it's great having two weeks
Speaker 2: off also, right, remember there was a short period of
Speaker 2: time there where you only had one week off before
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I'll never forget it. It was Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: in that particular game, and every one of the receivers
Speaker 2: missed the game. Had he had two weeks, he would
Speaker 2: have been able to play. So I think it's good
Speaker 2: there's that week in between the game, the championship and
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the anticipation of having two weeks though,
Speaker 3: Like obviously the excitement we're going to Super Bowl. Then
Speaker 3: probably by Tuesday or Wednesday the next week or that week,
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm still a week and a half away
Speaker 3: from playing in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not.
Speaker 3: Like getting so excited to where like you kind of
Speaker 3: blow your load on like the following Wednesday.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Like by the time kind of
Speaker 2: Thursday practice ends, it seems like an eternity. By the
Speaker 2: time you get to the game, you feel like you've
Speaker 2: been waiting forever. Like these guys. If anything, you got
Speaker 2: to guard against being too amped up because you're so
Speaker 2: ready to go and you've been waiting forever and you
Speaker 2: feel great because you haven't played in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: And so that's one of the big challenges. Also, like
Speaker 2: early on in the game, don't get too amped up.
Speaker 2: And then also it's going to be the longest halftime
Speaker 2: of your life, so you're gonna have to eat or
Speaker 2: drink something and stay too ready to go and you know,
Speaker 2: regroup in the second half. We've seen some games, right
Speaker 2: second half, a team comes out flat, they've been sitting
Speaker 2: around for half an hour. So stuff like worm no
Speaker 2: longer right and stuff like that does matter. But it's
Speaker 2: a great experience. Man. I'm so happy for him. He's
Speaker 2: been waiting for this moment for his whole life and
Speaker 2: you know, he gets to take the field with his
Speaker 2: team and see what they can do. And we're happy
Speaker 2: for you. Thanks guys, thank you man. This is all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: great episode. We got to get the