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Speaker 1: But we have an incredible guest, Ed McCaffrey, coach McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: CMC's father, my very first action figure as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Let's give it up for Ed.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead.

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Speaker 3: That's a selfless guy, a selfless guy. First question, First question,

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Speaker 3: who's your favorite kid of all of them?

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Speaker 2: You know, very it varies by the day. My wife

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Speaker 2: and I joke around about it. It's whoever happens to

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Speaker 2: call us back the quickest on that particular really so

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Speaker 2: you're kind of liked, or whoever's got something pretty important

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Speaker 2: coming up. So last week it was Luke my sign.

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Speaker 2: He's played in the senior balls, getting ready for the combine.

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Speaker 2: This week, Christian's got a pretty good game coming up here, right,

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Speaker 2: Who's consistently at the top of the charge? It varies, man,

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Speaker 2: it varies. You know, obviously you love all your kids

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Speaker 2: the same, but there's some that you're more happy with

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Speaker 2: in any particular point in time. And so right now

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Speaker 2: they're all good. Yeah, they're on the good list right now.

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Speaker 3: You gotta love that, dude. It's got to be hard

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Speaker 3: juggling those three kids at all times.

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Speaker 2: You got four, right, you got four brothers. Max is

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Speaker 2: the oldest. Then you got Christian. Well, I was trying

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Speaker 2: to follow your math. Five plus eight is thirteen, and

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Speaker 2: now I thought, maybe there's something to your math. Do

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Speaker 2: you want kids? But do you want to hear that?

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Speaker 2: You know occasion I have forgotten one of my kids

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Speaker 3: So hey, you know all this forgive I appreciate that, yeank,

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Speaker 3: you do. You know why they were talking about the number.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen because that's how many years I played in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's not about me. Now what thirteen? It's

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Speaker 2: a good reference for it. So you know brock Pritty's number.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking? I'm trying to follow your math.

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Speaker 3: So the whole conspiracy obviously, you know Taylor Swift, you

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Speaker 3: know she is dating somebody on the opposing team that.

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Speaker 2: You're so aware of it. I've been yeah, I've heard reports.

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Speaker 3: The Swifties have like come up with this crazy conspiracy

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Speaker 3: theory that Taylor Swift's favorite number, well they know her

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Speaker 3: favorite number is thirty, right, And obviously super Bowl fifty

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Speaker 3: eight five plus eight is thirteen. Forty nine ers four

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Speaker 2: Wow, forty nine Ers are.

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Speaker 3: The one one seed. Chiefs are the three seed thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, if she goes to the game, it'll be

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Speaker 3: her thirteenth appearance at a Chiefs game. If she makes

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Speaker 3: it's roughly a thirteen hour flight, right, so it's kind

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Speaker 3: of right. A lot of things are stacked.

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Speaker 2: Was there a movie I don't think it was thirteen?

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Speaker 2: Was it twenty three with Jim Carrey? Remember that there

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Speaker 2: you know, twelve and then eight one bagel and that's thirteen.

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Speaker 2: And they just started making all these random connections that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's fun to talking about nothing. The thirteen

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of hotels don't have a thirteenth floor.

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Speaker 3: That's true, right, which is odd too, because really, you know,

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Speaker 2: Go one know there's a thirteenth floor. Yes, use it

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Speaker 3: It's a whole it's a whole thing. Have you what's

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Speaker 3: your thought process? On Taylor Switch right now, you anti

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Speaker 2: Because of the week. You know, my wife is like

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Speaker 2: don't want to mix entertainment and football, I'm like, look,

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Speaker 2: those two worlds have collided and there's no going back back.

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Speaker 2: And it looks like they're happy and healthy. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: in Andy Reid's camp when it comes to that they're

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Speaker 2: happy and healthy. More power to them. But Lisa has

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest artists in the world. She puts together.

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Speaker 1: Is your wife aware that the government kind of set

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Speaker 2: She is not aware. She is not. She is not

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Speaker 2: aware of that conspiracy. The guys are into the conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 3: Conspiracy theories like the whole idea behind them, like people

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Speaker 3: I'm not like subscribing to that. I'm not like buying

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Speaker 3: I love the idea of being JFK big Foot inside Bigfoot,

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Speaker 2: I think I saw one of those lizard people in

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Speaker 2: may be truth to that one. Yeah, live in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's like the conspiracy because they have all

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, as a parent, you know you want

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Speaker 2: All four of our boys ended up playing football, and

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Speaker 2: it's been Christian's dream to play in the NFL and

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Speaker 3: It seems like that's a very well polished piece answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that you would give to anybody who's having it. Gets Hey,

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Speaker 2: Really, you heard the story, so was in football or nothing? No, Look,

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Speaker 2: So we've always emphasized that. But it didn't have to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the approach of which I mean Christian he

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone's been embellished. Man, my kids tell stories

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Speaker 2: Did you ever? I think I swear to you seared

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Speaker 1: Did you actually go and pick up? Would you go

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Speaker 1: and pick up Christian and your boys like during school

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Speaker 1: to get for them to get an IV?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? A lot's been made about this whole IV thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did. Yeah, well, but not every game, So

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Speaker 2: I did it for night game. So the first high

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Speaker 2: You got to actually go to class, right, Like, you're

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Speaker 2: kids on the team would cramp up like they're playing

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the summer it's hot. I mean in

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Speaker 2: when he cramped up, I'm like, you know, let's get

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Speaker 2: After getting IV's you're welcome. I will say this, we

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Speaker 3: We did have internally, like sat in the room by

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Speaker 2: Right, this is what we gotta se We did have

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Speaker 2: But I think ivs do work. But this wasn't a

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Speaker 2: Like he's going to be locked in, right, he's going

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Speaker 2: Drink a lot of Gator. He'll be fine. It is incredible.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say bio hacking, but I do get my

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Speaker 2: Getting yourself tested is important, and feeling good. Man, leave

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Speaker 2: how much weight have you lost? I've lost sixty pounds.

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Speaker 2: Getting overweight and just being overweight alone causes a lot

430
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Speaker 2: of problems. But I think today's athletes understand it. I

431
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Speaker 2: think they do a better job. Especially linemen are taking

432
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Speaker 2: care of themselves once they retire.

433
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unique with offensive linemen. It seems like every

434
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Speaker 3: offensive lineman kind of goes this way and then like

435
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Speaker 3: the running backs and receivers and corners keep eating the

436
00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 3: same way and like it flips a little bit, right.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so so were you a weight gainer a

438
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Speaker 2: weight loser? I was.

439
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Speaker 3: I was a weight gang guy.

440
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:15,960
Speaker 1: Always.

441
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 2: You always had to gain weight.

442
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Speaker 3: My first weight at Michigan, I was two hundred fifty

443
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Speaker 3: four pounds. Like, hey, your red shirting because you had

444
00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,520
Speaker 3: all the weight. And I would do, you know, wake

445
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Speaker 3: up three am, have like pasta, like a chicken alfredo

446
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,720
Speaker 3: from like a pizza hutah, and like scarf that down.

447
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Speaker 3: Then go do a workout at six am. Throw that up.

448
00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,240
Speaker 3: And then they're just like shoveling food in me over

449
00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040
Speaker 3: and over again. So when I did inevitably stop playing,

450
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,399
Speaker 3: it became like, oh that this is easy. I'll just

451
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Speaker 3: start shdding the weight and it came off relatively fast.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah. We always I have that argument with a lot

453
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Speaker 2: of different people. My brother was a kid. It was

454
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Speaker 2: real skinny, and he's a basketball player and he always

455
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Speaker 2: had to gain weight, and he's like, dude, it's so

456
00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,639
Speaker 2: much harder to gain weight than to lose weight. And

457
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I think it's harder to lose weight because

458
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Speaker 2: I was like two thirty eight in high school and

459
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Speaker 2: had to lose weight to play receiver. Even going into

460
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Speaker 2: the NFL. Probably played at two twenty twenty two. So

461
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Speaker 2: I was constantly trying to lose weight, and so for me,

462
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Speaker 2: I always thought it was harder to lose weight. But

463
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Speaker 2: it's a healthy debate in the NFL. To be a

464
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 2: lead at your position, you need to be at least

465
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Speaker 2: within a range. Some guys have to gain, some have

466
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Speaker 2: to lose. But I think the ones that end up

467
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Speaker 2: healthier were the lighter ones that had to gain. Even

468
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Speaker 2: though it's hard to do. For you, you gain the weight,

469
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Speaker 2: it's easier to shed it because you see some guys

470
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Speaker 2: gain one hundred pounds, and you're right, I see, I

471
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,760
Speaker 2: know dbs and receivers that put on one hundred pounds.

472
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Speaker 2: They don't even look like the same person. It's just

473
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Speaker 2: not healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One guy that comes to my mind is you know

476
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Speaker 3: you remember denaral Robinson.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, from Michigan. Yeah, yeah, well looking a little thick now,

478
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Speaker 2: I'll call it. Then. I love my boy, I love

479
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Speaker 2: the nar but you know he's well, yeah, I feel

480
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Speaker 2: his pain, man, because I I'm you know, I need

481
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Speaker 2: to be lighter than I am. But at one point,

482
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 2: I was weigh thirty pounds heavier than this, and I'm thinking, uh,

483
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't feel good moving around. It's harder

484
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Speaker 2: to work out, and you just know it's not it's

485
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Speaker 2: not healthy. You put yourself at risk of so many

486
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Speaker 2: different illnesses and diseases, and like, I want to be around.

487
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Speaker 2: I'm watching my kids play ball. I'm watching Yeah, you

488
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Speaker 2: know my wife isn't great shape and energetic. I mean

489
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Speaker 2: I got to keep up, keep up around from Yeah.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah again, I'm still hanging out with my son's friends. Yeah,

491
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 2: went on the most bus I've ever Yeah, sat in

492
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Speaker 2: over here.

493
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Speaker 1: Which way? Which way is? Treyll Davis went.

494
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Speaker 2: He's in great shape? Real You seen him lately?

495
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:16,239
Speaker 1: No?

496
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 2: Oh? TD? Yeah, I ran into him in Colorado. Yeah,

497
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: oddly enough, I was walking across the street and he

498
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 2: like sped his car up and hunked the horn. I

499
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna get hit, and I was just

500
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Speaker 2: TD messing with me. Yeah, just saw him in the

501
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,639
Speaker 2: middle of street, white lightning. Yeah, and uh, and then

502
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I cleared some traffic for him,

503
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,440
Speaker 2: like I took pride in doing when he was playing.

504
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: But no, he's chiseled dude.

505
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Speaker 1: How about his way? He started in the league like

506
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Speaker 1: they like kickoff right, like special teams.

507
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Speaker 2: I was there, man, he was like the sixth string

508
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: running back, and uh, I felt sorry for him. I

509
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 2: didn't really know him, Like there's his back out. He

510
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: was a late round draft pick out of Georgia and

511
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 2: he was six string and they were you know, back then,

512
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 2: if you're a scout team running back, that's the worst

513
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: job in football. Like here's the first string defense. We're

514
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Speaker 2: going to practice our stuff and let's put the third

515
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 2: string line in in training camp and run our six

516
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: string running back behind him. On every plane, he was

517
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 2: getting tattooed, like just annihilate and if he.

518
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 1: Does well, it's like no come back, run it again.

519
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, it's this way. It's all set up

520
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 2: for the defense. So I didn't even know him, and

521
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 2: I felt sorry for him. And then one by one,

522
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 2: kind of like your story, guys started going down and

523
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 2: guys start getting hurt. We were in Tokyo, Japan, playing

524
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, and he almost left. If he

525
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: spoke Japanese he would have left. But he went down

526
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 2: to the lobby tried to ask for cab. They weren't

527
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: understanding what he was trying to say. He's like, Okay,

528
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 2: forget about he's gonna leave. He was literally gonna leave Tokyo.

529
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Speaker 2: He's like with six string, he's getting killed in practice.

530
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 2: He's like, there, I'm not gonna make the team. There's

531
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Speaker 2: no way. And then he made that play on special teams.

532
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: I think something clicked. He's like, look, I don't care, man,

533
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hit somebody flew down on the kickoff team,

534
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: blew somebody up. Next thing, you know, a couple guys

535
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: go down. He's the starter's Hall of Fame running back,

536
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 2: but he was that close to leaving the team. That

537
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: close's wild.

538
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard that part of it. Have you

539
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: seen the play?

540
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 2: No?

541
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: He just I mean he just this dude flies and

542
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: then like if you do, whether it's the NFL films

543
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: or something out there that like kind of talks about

544
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: it or history. Maybe it's a football life. I don't

545
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: know if he has one, but uh, everybody's like, you know,

546
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: turn their head like, yo, who is that was that?

547
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: Terrell Davis Like who's that kid?

548
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

549
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: And then he yeah, freaking.

550
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: Goes like the man start of his whole thing.

551
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, origin story back when you could get like the

552
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, you could do like big running starts on

553
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: kickoff right, Oh yeah, like not even now you got

554
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: to stand there. That was five yards and that one

555
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: might have been like ten, right, Yeah, you can get

556
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: more than that.

557
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: You could go back as far as you want it,

558
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: but usually you were ten just to time it up right. Yeah,

559
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 2: but that was like a whole training camp worth of

560
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: just anger and pain and hostility that he took out

561
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: on that one play, which really changed the court. I

562
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: think he would have been great no matter what, but

563
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: for the Broncos, it changed the course of his career.

564
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: Wasn't Shannon Sharpe a similar story? Like he had to

565
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 3: play special teams a whole bunch.

566
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: Shannon was a really good tight end. He was already

567
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: an all pro tight end when I got to the Broncos,

568
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: And so I know, was he undrafted late round pick?

569
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Speaker 3: He was a late round but I thought he was

570
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 3: a core four guys didn't make his hay that way beginning.

571
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Speaker 1: He definitely didn't get fat.

572
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 2: Have you seen him. I just saw him today. Man,

573
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: he got bigger and stronger than he was to play.

574
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's in he's in medicine.

575
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: Man.

576
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: You know, I like to try to make it I'm

577
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: getting older. I try to make excuses for not being

578
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: in better shape than I see Shannon. I'm like, oh,

579
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: you're killing me, dude, Yeah, you're killing me. Yeah. We're

580
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: at a party.

581
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 3: He's a super Bowl way, we're a seventh round big Yeah,

582
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 3: we're a party of last super Bowl. And he was

583
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: there in obviously Shannon, he's he's a fantastic personality, is

584
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 3: crushing life on so many different platforms right now. But

585
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: he was at that party and he's wearing a shirt

586
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: that he knows is a size too small for him,

587
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: and he looked you kind of a stare. I'm like, bro,

588
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: you look amazing. He's an action figure. Yeah, he literally

589
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: looks like an action figure. It's it's how fun was

590
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 3: he to.

591
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Speaker 1: Be around a training camp? You see this stuff with

592
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: the Ravens. But I'm sure he just has that personality.

593
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: It was so fun. It's like you guys, you guys

594
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: are naturals. On the podcast, like when he's out there talking,

595
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: that's him. He was that way in the locker room.

596
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 2: He was always cracking jokes, making fun of people's clothes

597
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: and having fun. And you know, I was always more

598
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: serious guy, but I loved Shannon and we had this guy,

599
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: Keith Burns, and they play off each other a little

600
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: bit and crack jokes and it just lightens up the

601
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 2: whole mood and makes us makes it a little more fun. Yeah.

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646
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: I will be the happiest person on the planet. I

647
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: might be happier Christian for him and for the forty

648
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: nine Ers. This you know. Obviously I love Christian, He's

649
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: my son. This has been a dream of his. But

650
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: also this team feels like family to me. There's connections

651
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 2: with the coaches and the general manager that goes back

652
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: into my college days. So that would be incredible. But

653
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: I never you know, having played football in Denver and

654
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: with my kids playing football, I don't have any Lombardi trophies.

655
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: My my rings were in safety deposit box. And I

656
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: never wanted them to have to think that's what I

657
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: need to be able to do to that's cool to

658
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: be successful. Yeah, And and it doesn't mean that's the

659
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: right or wrong answer. I'm just like, whatever they do,

660
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: it's their experience. It's not about me. It's about them.

661
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: I'm here to love them and support them. If they

662
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: have football questions for me, I'll help them as much

663
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: as I can get them in the IVS.

664
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: Tape up their jersey, you wearing jeans but a school

665
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: But it's exactly, but it's rue.

666
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: But it's really about weigh and you I interjected a

667
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: little bit. But on the field, you know, it was

668
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: their experience. So I want them to feel that way.

669
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to set these redics less expectations

670
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: and not that it would have mattered, I think, because

671
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: I think they have high expectations for themselves. But you know,

672
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: now I'm older, I'm like, yeah, I hope you do

673
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: win so I can maybe put up one of those.

674
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: Be proud to have one of those, Yeah in my office.

675
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah one day.

676
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: How awesome, like you alluded to it, like the forty

677
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: nine ers feels like family, a lot of connections, like

678
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: John Lynch, the Shanahan's, you guys, like it has to

679
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: be just surreal that it's your son, coach, Mike Shanahan's son,

680
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: your you know, your former teammate, and John Lynch, Like

681
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: you guys are all kind of rocking the same team.

682
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: Like how how sick is that always are back together?

683
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, No, I just have so much respect for

684
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: those guys you just mentioned I mean they are the

685
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: real deal, right. I mean John Lynch was a teammate

686
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: of mine at Stanford. He was played quarterback. I caught

687
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: passes from him, and he was the real deal going

688
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: back that far before he switched to say.

689
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: How far off of how different the difference in like.

690
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: Maybe two years maybe? Okay, yeah, and he switched the

691
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: safety after I graduated, But I mean he was the

692
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: real deal back then, like a true pro already in

693
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: colle one of those guys like college, this guy already

694
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: has his tack together. Yeah, not everybody does, but so

695
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: much respect for him. And then Kyle Shanahan watching him

696
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: grow up, and you know, future Hall of Fame coach,

697
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: Mike Shanahan just had such an important impact on my life.

698
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: And our families are close. And then you know, Brian

699
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: Greesie was my quarterback, and Bobby t is a legend

700
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: and running back, and Anthony Lynn's my teammate. It's incredible

701
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: running backs coach. And the Kubiak kids are over there,

702
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: and I mean it. You know, if you could go

703
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: back and remember high school ball where you knew all

704
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: he knew all the families, right, it's like, oh, you're

705
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: all there. You know, tailgating and you know everybody. That's

706
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: what it feels like in the NFL, and I think

707
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: that's rare, like unless you're on the team, like to

708
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: be a parent and feel like I know everybody, Oh

709
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: that's what it's one of one feeling. It's such a

710
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: cool feeling.

711
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: It is, dude, like you're a player experiencing that stuff

712
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: and now you're at this, you're you know, you're a

713
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: parent now, like coming back to it and you're just like, yo.

714
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: I would be embarrassed. Wh my dad would come to

715
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: the games and meet the coaches and hey, so, well,

716
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: how's my son doing. I'm like, that's shut up, you

717
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: get the car, let's just let's go. That's all. You're

718
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: probably hanging out with them, chopping it up, and they're

719
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: just like, you know, this is one of us. Because

720
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: you know a dad, it's like, hey, proud of your son.

721
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: He's doing a great job. He kind of hit him

722
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: with the basics as a coach, but with you, it's

723
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: like they can probably give you a little more inside

724
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: ball and talk a little bit more, knowing you understand

725
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: the craft as well, and they know your personality.

726
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: And that he has the connections with GM coaches, head

727
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: coaches played with them like that is really special.

728
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: So with all that all, like this family style of

729
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: thing with the forty nine ers, when Christian's playing for

730
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: the Panthers and that trade, you see the trade finally

731
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: happen from the Panthers of the forty nine ers, Like, what's

732
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: your reaction?

733
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a static because I know Kyle Shanahana

734
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: know what an incredible coach he he is. And then

735
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: I looked at the roster and I'm like, dude, this

736
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: team is littered with talent, and I knew about all

737
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: the guys we just mentioned Anthony Lynn and Bobby t

738
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: and Brian Greasy and the Koopjacks and all the other

739
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: guys on the coaching staff, and I'm like, this is

740
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: a perfect situation for you. Kyle's going to know how

741
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: to use you. He's a phenomenal coach. You know, you

742
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: have a ton of other talent around you. You're going

743
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: to get to be part of a great organization. I

744
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: played for the forty nine ers. It's an incredible organization

745
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: from Jed York on down, and so Lisa and I

746
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: were static. Plus we went to Stanford. It's in the

747
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: Bay area. I'm like, this is incredible for us, easy

748
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: flight from Denver. But Christian, you know, he's a team guy.

749
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: He's like a loyal guy. Whoever his team is, those

750
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: are his guys. He's a boys boy. Yeah, so he

751
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: was like, you know, hey, these are my guys. And

752
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, I've lived here for five and a half years,

753
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: and I know our family is history, but I don't

754
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: really you know, know Kyle, I was four during Super

755
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Bowl thirty three running around in the confetti, and so

756
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: Lisa and I were super very excited about it. But

757
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: then one of the first things he did was he

758
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: had a meeting with Kyle. Those guys got together and

759
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: talked for like an hour and a half, and Christian

760
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: asked him a lot of questions. You know, why did

761
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: you trade for me? How are you going to use me?

762
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: He wanted to find out, you know, what his mindset

763
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: was and how he viewed the game and him as

764
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: a player and coach Shanahan. Kyle did the same thing.

765
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: He's like, look, this is why we brought you in.

766
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Let me get to know you a little bit. Because

767
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: even though our families had this history, you know, when

768
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: you're four and another kids in high school. You don't

769
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: know each other, so it was really like their first

770
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: time getting to know each other, and I thought that

771
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: was pretty mature both of them. It's like, hey, let's

772
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: get to know each other and forget all this talk

773
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: about our families. Man the man, this is you and me.

774
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: Let's find out what we're all about. And after hour

775
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: hour and a half meeting, I mean, Christian called me

776
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: up and said, hey, I'm in the right place. Is

777
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: this is It's awesome. This was the place for me.

778
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Did you have any tip off or hint that that

779
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: was in the works before it happened.

780
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: No, Lisa actually did a podcast and with her friend Ashley,

781
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: and they brought on Peggy Shanahan and they joked around

782
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: about the trade a few days before it happened. But

783
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: we didn't know any more than anybody else we're following

784
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: social media. Could be the rams, could be the forty

785
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: nine ers. You know, if you're an organization, you're not

786
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: going to show your hand because you're in a biding

787
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: war with other teams, so nobody's going to tell anybody anything.

788
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: So we were very happy when we heard the news.

789
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: That is awesome, that should.

790
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: We dive into the glory days of the Broncos. Yes,

791
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: a question before we do get to those two Super

792
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Bowls in a row, Like your first one was with

793
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: the Niners, but you're with the Niners for a year,

794
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: and do you feel like this is not on trying

795
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: to This is gonna sound disrespectful, but I know it

796
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: was your one of your lower statistical years. Did you

797
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: get injured during that year with the forty nine ers.

798
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was going to start over Jerry Rice,

799
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: but then I had an I tweaked my ankle. I

800
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: think no. Look, I played for the New York Giants

801
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: and I got there during the time that had a

802
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: lot of adversity. Bill Parcells was my coach. I love

803
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: getting the call from him on draft day. Hey, we're

804
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: drafting the third round. This is when camp starts. We'll

805
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: see you there. Oh it wasn't the red carpet treatment

806
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: you get today, right, And yeah, I had to wait

807
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: around on a rotary phone to find out if I

808
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: was drafted because the television coverage didn't coverage every round.

809
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: I was a third round draft pick, so I didn't

810
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: even know we were off the television coverage. And then

811
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: when I got there, he getting a coach Parcels gave

812
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: a great speech about how we just won the Super Bowl,

813
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: so we don't really need any of you guys, but

814
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: hopefully one or two of you can make the team

815
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: and contribute. And so it was not a red carpet treatment.

816
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: It was kind of shocking, like whoa, Like I got drafted,

817
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: but there's no guarantee. And back then you'd see second

818
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: and third round picks cut, like you aren't guaranteed to

819
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: make team just because you were drafted. Fortunately I made

820
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: the team, but unfortunately Bill Parcells stepped down and he

821
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: had some hard issues as it was reported, and stepped down.

822
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: And then you know, we were one of the oldest teams.

823
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: We just won a Super Bowl. A lot of guys

824
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: started retiring, switching teams, new ownership and then new coaches

825
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: and then new players, and it just all this adversity.

826
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: So you know, I love that team, like I'm a

827
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: team guy too, like I love my teammates from the Giants.

828
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: And then we had a coaching change and I got cut.

829
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: And when I got cut, it was a wake up call, like, man,

830
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to business school or law school. I

831
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm gonna do like, I think I'll

832
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: make a team, but I just got cut, so I

833
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: don't know, And I thought, what do I want? You know,

834
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: what kind of team do I want to go to?

835
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm a free agent. I got like four or five

836
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: teams to choose from, and I'm like, I want to

837
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. I want to go to a

838
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: team that has a chance to win a Super Bowl.

839
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: So I took the league minimum and went out to

840
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco. I'm like, I'm gonna try out for this team.

841
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: And there were fourteen receivers and they take four, Like,

842
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: imagine a team that only takes four receivers this year.

843
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: But it's Jerry Rice Taylor. They had won Super Bowls already, right,

844
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: those were the starters, and there's a lot of twenty

845
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: one person else. They didn't play a ton of three receivers.

846
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: And then it was me and Nate Singleton. But you

847
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 2: know that those guys feel like brothers to me. I

848
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: was there seven months, but like Bardoes who started at

849
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: right tackle, like allowed me to ship all my boxes

850
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: to his house, took us in like we were family.

851
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: Steve Young was incredible, incredible to me. Got to learn

852
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: from Jerry Rice. I see those guys this year. It's

853
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: like a reunion. Every home game at the forty nine Ers,

854
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm tapping people up, all my old teammates. I'm like,

855
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: and it seems like yesterday. But I was backing up Jerry,

856
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: So I didn't get on the field a lot in

857
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I got in for a couple of

858
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: plays Jerry Dinga's shoulders, one of his shoulders, and I

859
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: get in the game and I'm thinking, I'm going to

860
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: Disney World, man, Like I had one quick catch for

861
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: five yards, and like I'm just getting heated up, like

862
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: I may be the one going to Disney World. And

863
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: then of course Jerry comes back and I go back

864
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: to the sideline. I think I had a special teams

865
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: tackle on kickoff, but I was around. I mean, we

866
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: had fourteen Pro Bowl players. We had the offensive player there,

867
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: and Steve Young the defensive player there, and Deon sand

868
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: Or so I went against every day in practice. So

869
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm backing up Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time,

870
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: and going against Dion, greatest DV of all time, for

871
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: a whole year. And I really think I got way

872
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: better because of going because of learning behind Jerry and

873
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: competing against Dion and then that kind of set the

874
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: tone for the rest of my career with the Broncos.

875
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Is that workout?

876
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: Think of Jerry Rice's sickening as it. Yeah, it's portrayed,

877
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: it absolutely is. He had this hill that he used

878
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: to run and the thing that was just amazing about

879
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: him is his conditioning. And you don't always think about

880
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: like your endurance, Like football's kind of an anaerobic sport.

881
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 2: It's sprint stop, sprint stop, sprint stop. But he wouldn't

882
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: slow down in the fourth quarter and he could run

883
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: for days. We had this rule in San Francisco, which

884
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: we continued in Denver, where if you're a receiver you

885
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: had to catch it and finish forty yards. And it's like, okay,

886
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: forty yards, right, So that means catch it and run

887
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: a little bit and then stop. No, they had forty yards.

888
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: They had a cone for forty yards. You had to

889
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: sprint forty yards after every reception. Nobody does that, but

890
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: he would do it every time. And if we were

891
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: across midfield, Jerry would sprint to the end zone. So

892
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: we literally had to start moving our drill closer to

893
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: the end zone from the forties so he would get

894
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: back to the huddle in time for the next play

895
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: because he would score on every play. He did it

896
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: all the time, for the whole practice, all year long,

897
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking his conditioning level is off the charts.

898
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: He just doesn't get tired. So that was one of

899
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: his greatest skill sets. His other greatest skill set was

900
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: getting off the ball quickly. Nobody got off the line

901
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: off the snapcount faster than him. Was like he timed

902
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: it and it was almost simultaneous. As soon as the

903
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: ball even twitched, he was already off the line. So

904
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: if he was a four or five guy and there

905
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: was a four to three guy, he'd beat him five

906
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: yards down the field because he was off the line quicker.

907
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: And then the other thing was after he caught the ball,

908
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: he would catch it and turn off field instantly. So

909
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: like all the angles for defenders, you're trying to time

910
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: he's going to catch it, and then he's going to

911
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: like maybe a little hesitation and then try to go upfield.

912
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: It was seamless, like catching, go, catching, go, So all

913
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: those shallow crosses and short routes and I'm like, man,

914
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: I want to be more like that. And then he

915
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: would he would make routes his own. Like I was

916
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: always thinking, run the route exactly the way the coach

917
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: tells you to run the route, right, And I'd say, well,

918
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Jerry didn't run that exactly the way the coach drew

919
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: it up, right. He he ran a comeback, but he

920
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: kind of bent it in on a post, and then

921
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: the next time he kind of bent out and stemmed

922
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: it up, and like he's getting open every time. But

923
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: he's like three different ways to run the same route.

924
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: And so I started copying some of that stuff and

925
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: it worked. So yeah, that was a great year for me.

926
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: It was a fun year. We won a Super Bowl,

927
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: got lifelong friends from that experience, and it really helped

928
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: me become a better player.

929
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,600
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Speaker 2: Where to Next?

942
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: Back to the episode when Jerry's like kind of cutting

943
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: it up and doing routes a little bit different the

944
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: first couple of times you try to do it, where

945
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: the coach is like, listen, you're not Jerry Rice, don't

946
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: be doing that. Because there was a couple of times

947
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: where run the road.

948
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: H yeah, you're white. You know what you are? Like?

949
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: Do your thing changed.

950
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: Lady Walker was a guy that I played with who

951
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: would just kind of run his own routes and the

952
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 3: coaches were like de Landy Walker, you know, mix a

953
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl great wide receiver. He's like our only thread

954
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: at the time in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and then

955
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: the next tight end would come up and do the

956
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: same thing, and he would just get chewed out, like

957
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: you need to run the route correctly.

958
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Did you ever run into anything like that? Well, no,

959
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm having a flashback now. I actually the first time

960
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: I stole out from Jerry was I was playing with

961
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: the Giants and we played them in the playoffs and

962
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: I got in the game, but I was watching film

963
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: to get ready for the game with New York, but

964
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: also watching their offense as well. I was just watching

965
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: a lot of film. So I watched Jerry on their

966
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: team run a comeback route the way I just described,

967
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: where he kind of took it a little bit, the

968
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: posting came back out of it, and so I ran

969
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: it that way against the forty nine ers, and I

970
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: was going against Merton Hanks, who was an All Pro

971
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: or at least Pro Bowl cornerback and it worked. I

972
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: got open and it worked. I'm like loving it. And

973
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: I actually got yelled at by my coach for running

974
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 2: it that way after the game. We lost the game,

975
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: but I had a great game and those routes work.

976
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: So when I got there, and maybe that influenced me

977
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: to go there, I'm like, I want to learn from this, dude.

978
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: I think I can up my game. I started copying

979
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: everything that I could, but not every coach will allow

980
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: you to do that, right. I mean, some coaches are like,

981
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: you got to run it a certain way, but I

982
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: think the best coaches know you to get open against

983
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: the elite defenders. You have to make the route your own.

984
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: If you just run a corner route, you know, you

985
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: push it ten to twelve and break straight to the corner.

986
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: Some dudes are just going to run right next to

987
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: you the whole time if you don't create some kind

988
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: of separation at the top of the stem or make

989
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: it look like another route. These dudes are too good, right,

990
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: And so I really helped. I think it helped me

991
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: become a grow from a good player to you know,

992
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: a great player.

993
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: You brought up how like, you guys lost a game

994
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: but you played well. How difficut that this is a

995
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: player for people like watching, like when your team loses

996
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: but you play amazing, Like kind of trying to suppress

997
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: that kind of happy feeling that I went off.

998
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you guys know the game, right, So I

999
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: mean for me, you know, some people play because of

1000
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: the thrill of victory, and other people play for the

1001
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: from the fear of failure. It's like, I don't want

1002
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: to disappoint the guys on my team, Like, no matter

1003
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: whether we win or lose, as long as I can

1004
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: leave this game and they know I gave them everything

1005
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: that's gonna have to be enough, Like I gave you

1006
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: everything I had. You guys know that, you watch the film,

1007
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: I didn't. I gave great effort. I did the best

1008
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: I could, man, Like, no matter what happens, you guys

1009
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: know that that was the most important thing to me.

1010
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: My teammates know that I gave them everything I had.

1011
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: Wind loser draw, there's held nothing back. That's all I

1012
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: got for you. I gave you everything. That's that's the

1013
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: most important thing. You want to win because it's so

1014
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: much more fun to celebrate, but you know, it's the

1015
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: respect to your teammates, man, that means everything.

1016
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it true? I would hear that there were

1017
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: old war stories and maybe they're just old tall tales,

1018
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: but Deon Sanders would tie his hands behind his back

1019
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: when trying to cover and trying to work and get

1020
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: better against Jerry Rice.

1021
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: Is that true or false? I can't say it never happened.

1022
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: I didn't see it happen, but I can't say that

1023
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: it never happened. So that was a great way to answer.

1024
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: That's a great answer.

1025
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I bet those battles were just, you know,

1026
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: fun to watch, like knowing Dion Prime Time. The style

1027
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: of is are you surprised with the success as a

1028
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: head coach.

1029
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: Not at all. Man, He's a competitor. He's incredibly smart

1030
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: football coach, and you know, I really cherish that opportunity

1031
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: to go against him in practice every year. I remember

1032
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: at one point, you know, I actually had sprained my

1033
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: ankle in this charity basketball game. I warned my kids

1034
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: all the time, by the way, you know, don't goof

1035
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: around doing stupid stuff during the season. Yet I learned

1036
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: the hard way because I played in a basketball game

1037
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: spray my ankle. Probably one of the reasons I got

1038
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: cut by the Giants in hindsight. And then and then

1039
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: I go and you know, I have it all wrapped

1040
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: up like in a cast, and like as a receiver,

1041
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: maybe it's a little easier to get away when you're alignment,

1042
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: but as a receiver you need full ankle flexion to run.

1043
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: And so I'm in this cast and you know, they're

1044
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: doing everything they're putting like EMU a lot, like maybe

1045
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: the inflammation and whatever they can do. And it was

1046
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: like one hundred and twenty degrees in Rockland, California, at

1047
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: training camp, and I'm walking out there and like just

1048
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: in this cast, there's fourteen receivers. Like, first they put

1049
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: me in a bunk bed with like eight dudes. There's

1050
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: like eight dudes in a room in bunks. Like the

1051
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: size of this. I'm like, I had to go up

1052
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: to George Siefert and say, dude, if you want to

1053
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: cut me, cut me, but I can't. I'm not going

1054
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: to stay in a room full of bunk beds with

1055
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes that I know are going to

1056
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: be here. And I thought he was going to cut

1057
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: me on spot, but he moved me into my own room.

1058
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: It was nice. Yeah, that's a good power play. Yeah,

1059
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: I swear to you. I thought I was gonna get cut,

1060
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: But I'm walking out to practice. I'm like, look, I'm

1061
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: in these bunk beds, I'm in a cast. I got

1062
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: to go into Deon Sanders in this boot that I'm

1063
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: wearing every day. And I thought, you know what if

1064
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: I beat him on one slant route, I'll tell my

1065
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: kids about it for the rest of my life, you

1066
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like just in practice forget the game. Yeah,

1067
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of the mentality had. So

1068
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: I took pride and going against him. He made me

1069
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: a lot better. I'd like to think that I didn't

1070
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: let him take plays off in practice, and I think

1071
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: that's why we won a super Bowl and had such

1072
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: a great team. And it was the same with Jerry.

1073
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: Like I remember we would run sprints and I was

1074
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: always fresher because he played a whole game, right, I

1075
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: mean like ten plays in the game. Some special teams.

1076
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm fresh on Monday, and so we do conditioning. I just,

1077
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I just go full speed just to

1078
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: piss them off. Then he'd start going full speed. We

1079
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: did that before the Super Bowl one year. You know,

1080
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: It's like end of one of the practice and we're

1081
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: conditioning just to get a little extra running in light.

1082
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm feeling good, man, Like I don't.

1083
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: I don't play that much. I'm feeling great, So I

1084
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: just take off full speed. And so the next rep

1085
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: we do, Jerry and John Taylor must have winked at

1086
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: each other and all right, you're gonna go full speed.

1087
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: So they start running full speed just in this after

1088
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: practice condition I just hear coach Shannan go stop. I'm panicking.

1089
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: He's like, we don't need Jerry to pull a hammy.

1090
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Like the week before the Super Bowl, I know it

1091
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: wasn't because of me. He didn't care if I pulled

1092
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: a hammy, But it was just funny. But I liked

1093
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: pushing him. But Jerry would never shy away from a challenge.

1094
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: That guy was so competitive. It was he's still competitive.

1095
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: He still let the games running around totally dialed into

1096
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: what's going on by five in people like he's just

1097
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 2: tired that way. Do you ever get that slant route? Yeah,

1098
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: yeah he did. He did won a couple. Well, when

1099
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: you have a whole season of practice, you better win

1100
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: at least one slant rup.

1101
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Any good ship talking stories with Dion.

1102
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Dion, you know he was the greatest teammate. He didn't

1103
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: he didn't talk smack ever in practice.

1104
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: What about in the game, like you witness just been

1105
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: on the sideline and seeing Dion work, Well.

1106
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: I saw Dion. You know they they tested him a

1107
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: couple of times earlier in the season, and once against

1108
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: Atlanta they tested him and you know he had played there,

1109
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: and he high stepped from the fifty yard line all

1110
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: the way to the goal line while looking on the

1111
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: sidelines holding the ball up in the air. I'm like,

1112
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: oh my, like not too many humans can do that.

1113
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 2: And the fact that he did against his old team.

1114
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: It was just absolutely insane.

1115
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: That's all time, uh going to uh you know, your

1116
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: next your next super Bowl. But Denver's like John Elwie's

1117
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: first super Bowl. He was like oher and three going

1118
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: into that game against the Packers, correct, and that was

1119
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: his first super Bowl, right, it was Yeah, What's what's

1120
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: funny is I was like looking up. I was looking

1121
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: up this game and the Packers were favored by eleven

1122
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: points going to the super Bowl, going in the super Bowl.

1123
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: When you got I think it was super Bowl in

1124
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: the beginning of the week it was fourteen and then

1125
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: we stopped paying attention to it. But we had we

1126
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: had an agreement we're not going to talk about it.

1127
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Shannon earlier in the episode. Shannon's a

1128
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: talker and for him not to talk any smack for

1129
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: two weeks is a minor miracle. I couldn't believe you

1130
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: didn't say anything. But we were dialed in the year

1131
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: before we lost to Jacksonville at home, and we were

1132
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: the better team, where we were the best team in

1133
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: the NFL right until we weren't. You know, we got

1134
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: upset by Jacksonville at home. They went on an incredible

1135
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: run when like five games in a row they beat

1136
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: us at home. But we were fourteen and two, thought

1137
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 2: we were the best team in the league. Took one

1138
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: bad game to get knocked out. So that next year

1139
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: we were just totally dialed. You know. We went on

1140
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: the road every game. We had to go to Kansas

1141
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: City and Pittsburgh when games on the road against really

1142
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: good teams with great coaches, and we found a way

1143
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: to do it. So by the time we got to

1144
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, there's no there's nothing to say. Let's

1145
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: just go get it done. Nobody said a word in

1146
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: the beginning of the week. We were fourteen point underdogs,

1147
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: but we had all the confidence in the world. We

1148
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: thought we should have won the Super Bowl the year before,

1149
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: but because we didn't and got upset by Jackson, well,

1150
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: people kind of forgot about us and they were like

1151
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: Green Bay had won the Super Bowl the year before.

1152
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: They were the favorite, and they were a great team.

1153
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: I mean, they had Hall of famers on their team.

1154
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: But there was no doubt in our mind. I can't

1155
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: you guys have been around teams where you're confident and

1156
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: it's not false bravado. It's like we're really confident, like

1157
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: we believed we would win and we did against a

1158
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: great team.

1159
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: Never made the chance to get go to a super

1160
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: Bowl though, which is heartbreaking. Oh we were two quarters

1161
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: away against the Chief, Yeah, twenty nineteen.

1162
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: That's why great players not all. I mean a lot

1163
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: of great players never get to one or get to

1164
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: one and don't win one.

1165
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: And it's mahomes, it is forty five running around on

1166
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: a two minute drill.

1167
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: We would have got it. It's not about me, though.

1168
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: It feels a lot light, but no, you know the

1169
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: feeling like you know exactly how hard it is to

1170
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: get to these games and win them. There's no guarantees, right,

1171
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: and it's hard work. It's determinations having all the right players,

1172
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: it's the coaches making the right cause. Some of it's

1173
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: the way the ball bounces, too.

1174
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: And it's not just like like you think in high

1175
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: school when you're playing, it's like, oh, we'll get them

1176
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: next year.

1177
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: We'll get them next year.

1178
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: And then once you in the NFL for a couple

1179
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: of years and you taste a little bit of like

1180
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: playoff success, you think, all right, next year, we're gonna

1181
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 3: get over the hump and it's like that's not always

1182
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: the case. Sometimes you guys just might suck. There'll be

1183
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: a lot of turnover on the team, and so you

1184
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: have to like take advantage of those opportunities while they're there. Yeah,

1185
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: we were the one seed in Here I go again.

1186
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: There.

1187
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: We were the one seed in twenty one and we

1188
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: got upset by the Bengals, and it was like we

1189
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: really thought like this is the year. Like we just

1190
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: Derek Henry came back all that. We're like, this is

1191
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: really going to be the year that the Titans win

1192
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.

1193
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: I played on a team like that in New York

1194
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: my first year. They just won the Super Bowl. That

1195
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: was the year they beat the Bills. They held on

1196
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: to the ball for like forty nine minutes, right, they

1197
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: beat the They beat the Bills in the Super Bowl,

1198
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: and I'm with all those legends, Lawrence Taylor and Phil

1199
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: Simms and you know, Oj Anderson was the MVP of

1200
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: that game, and they had a lot of the same

1201
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: guys back. And the expectation going into that season is

1202
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: we're going to win the Super Bowl again. We just

1203
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: want it. We're gonna win it again. Yeah, and we

1204
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: finished eight and eight, where it was do.

1205
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: You gotta I was just gonna ask if you had

1206
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: an iconic Lawrence Taylor story.

1207
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: There's so many iconic Lawrence Taylor stories. I'll share one

1208
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: with you. You know. It was frowned upon to hold

1209
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: out during training camp, but I was a third round

1210
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: draft pick and held out for like eight days. So

1211
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: when I finally get there, it's in Fairley Dickinson University,

1212
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: and you know, there's the old wooden lockers and they

1213
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: have like your name and tape with a sharpie written

1214
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: on the top of these wooden locker you know, ad

1215
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: hoc lockers they made at Fairly Dickenson University's you know,

1216
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: basketball gym, auxiliary gym. And I'm walking through. These guys

1217
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: already been through a week of practice, and it's hot

1218
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: and humid and Fairly Dickinson in New Jersey in August.

1219
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: So I'm walking through. You know, it's the locker room,

1220
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: smells like locker room. Keep walking through. I look up

1221
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: at my locker and my name is spelled wrong, of

1222
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: course on my locker. But I sit down and sure

1223
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: enough I'm between Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks. I'm like, okay,

1224
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 2: I'm the receiver from Stanford. How do I get between

1225
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: two all pro linebackers. And I sit down and they

1226
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: were just finishing their first practice. But back then, like

1227
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: as soon as you sign get out to practice, so

1228
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: they just finished the first practice. I'm like, making sure

1229
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: all my equipment's there. I sit down. Lawrence's lockers just disaster.

1230
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: It was a messy locker. There's stories about, you know,

1231
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: the equipment guy's finding game checks in the bottom of

1232
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: the locker. They didn't even know we're there, things like that.

1233
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: I found out about that later. But anyway, I sit

1234
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: down and you know, they both come back and I'm like,

1235
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor just sat next to me, Like I already

1236
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: know Lawrence Taylor. He's famous already right for on in

1237
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: off field. And then the other guy you knows, Carl Banks.

1238
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: He's like six six, you know, NFL Pro Bowl linebacker,

1239
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: they just won the Super Bowl. And Lawrence is like,

1240
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: hey man, anyone's seeing my cleat? He was like missing

1241
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: a cleat or something. And Carl's like, no, man, I

1242
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: think this dude took it. And I've never met them.

1243
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: I don't even you know, haven't formally been introduced. And

1244
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: they both stand up as I'm sitting in my locker

1245
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: and they're just towering over me. They're like, hey, man,

1246
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: you got my cleat and they're not messing around, like

1247
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: it seems like they're just going to beat the crap

1248
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: out of me on day one, and I'm thinking, my

1249
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: first day in the NFL is my last day in

1250
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: the NFL. And then he's like, ah, I'm just messing

1251
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: with you and slaps me on the back super hard,

1252
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what your happened? That's my I just

1253
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: got here having met these guys.

1254
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: Yea in the yeah, the.

1255
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 2: Minutes, lord, Yeah, thank the Lord. They were kidding around,

1256
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: but he was smart. He had an incredible sense of humor.

1257
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: He was very funny dude, and he was a great teammate.

1258
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: But in games, I do believe he's the greatest defender

1259
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: of all time. Like I watched him in games and

1260
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: tackles would just quiver, Like You're like you, dude, you

1261
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: got to help me out. Put a tight end over here,

1262
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: running back something. Don't leave me one on one with

1263
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: his dude, because he's just one of those guys like

1264
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: when he walks in the room, he's the alpha, and

1265
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: nobody questions it. Oh yeah, that's LT. That's the alpha. Yeah,

1266
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: and he's one of those guys in the weight room.

1267
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: He just had like that natural I don't know if

1268
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: you want to call it like Dad's strength, that you

1269
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: would call it. Where he'd walk in and I never

1270
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: really saw him lift a lot, but when he did,

1271
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm like that dude's pushing like ridiculous weight and this

1272
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: is the first time I've seen him lift. Is he

1273
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: lift at home or something? Like where's he working out?

1274
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: Like right? And uh, you know, he's like six five

1275
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: two fifty something, runs under four or five. You know,

1276
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: they had clips of him as rookie running down as

1277
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: the gunner, just out running DB's to tackle the punt

1278
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: returner and he's just a specimen. Some guys just have

1279
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: it all, man. He also had also another LT story.

1280
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: He remember one game, not all players are treated the same,

1281
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: you know that, right, So like if this happened to me,

1282
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: I would have been cutting a second. But yeah, I

1283
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: guess he was, like I don't know what the story was,

1284
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: why he was later what happened to his car, But

1285
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: he comes running out during the national anthem where they're

1286
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: you know, they're playing the national anthem and out of

1287
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: the corner of my eye, I see this guy running

1288
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Speaker 2: onto the field, his jersey halfway on, like trying to

1289
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Speaker 2: get the rest of his jersey on his shoulder pads,

1290
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1291
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Speaker 2: missed everything, and then totally had a sack on the

1292
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1293
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,480
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1294
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,600
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1295
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 2: you missed the whole pregame. Nobody said anything to nobody

1296
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: said a word.

1297
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Speaker 3: That's like the ultimate nightmare when you're playing sports, is

1298
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1299
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1300
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1302
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1303
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1304
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1305
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Speaker 1: Reuyser helping um keeping the jersey, thank god, thank god.

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Speaker 2: No, but he was I mean, I was blessed to

1308
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Speaker 2: You're gonna slash yourself.

1334
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Speaker 1: Dude.

1335
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Speaker 3: You showed a lot of humility. Obviously when we introduced you,

1336
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 3: we start clapping for you. You start clapping as well. Here's

1337
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: a team guy, through and through. I was watching a

1338
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: video with the Broncos and there was like one of

1339
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 3: the reporters, somebody that works with the Broncos, and they're

1340
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: asking you your top three favorite plays as a Bronco.

1341
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Two of those three plays, you weren't even the one

1342
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: making the catch or anything. One was a victory formation

1343
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: and when was you watching a teammates score a touchdown? No,

1344
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna win the Super Bowl? And then third one

1345
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 3: obviously it was a great catch by you in the Inzon.

1346
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: But what what are your three favorite plays of all

1347
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 3: time that you were like the main receiver.

1348
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: Four? Oh gosh, I don't even know you mentioned the

1349
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: victory formation that was Super Bowl thirty two is the

1350
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: Broncos for Super Bowl And I got to be that

1351
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: point of the v in the back and just watching

1352
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: the clock just slowly picks late down to zero. Man,

1353
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: I think about it almost every day. It was like

1354
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 2: the greatest experience of all time and just family running

1355
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: onto the field and just John always crying and laughing

1356
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: at the same time as just the first Super Bowl

1357
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: den for ever won and what a blessing to be

1358
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 2: part of that. Like, you know, I'd won one super

1359
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: Bowl the Niners was kind of a backup role, but

1360
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: it was such a cool thing to win a Super

1361
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: Bowl with my teammates. But this one was like incredible.

1362
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: I mean to see the look on Broncos fans' faces.

1363
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: So many had like generationally gone to games with their

1364
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: dad or uncles or families, and some of them had passed.

1365
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: And then finally the Broncos win, and John fought his

1366
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: whole career for that, and we worked so hard and

1367
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: we were such big underdogs, right, I mean, that was

1368
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: that's tough to beat. You're not gonna beat that one,

1369
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know. I remember some of the

1370
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: plays I made. I don't remember all of them. People

1371
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: sometimes remind me of plays I don't remember making because

1372
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: it was always, you know, make a play, turn the

1373
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 2: page onto the next. So I don't know. I don't

1374
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: have favorite plays of myself. I have favorite memories, and

1375
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: usually you know those around the big games Super Bowls.

1376
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: The one you mentioned about Rod Smith called a touchdown

1377
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: against Atlanta that was such a big pivotal play in

1378
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: our game that helped us win. And I get to

1379
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: see that play because I was you know, he was

1380
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: in front of me, and I get to like chase

1381
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: him down the field and watch him score. But so

1382
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: much that happens in those games you don't see, right

1383
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: you're doing your job. You don't see what everyone else

1384
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: is doing unless you go back and watch the film.

1385
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: And one of the interesting things about Super Bowls is

1386
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: the season's over after that game, So I've probably watched

1387
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: those games less than any other games. That's awesome.

1388
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: If somebody not answering your question, It's my favorite thing

1389
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: that's ever happened. That's my favorite episode ever.

1390
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: If you put them all up on it, I pick them.

1391
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: If you put them up, I don't even I don't

1392
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: remember half of them.

1393
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: Really.

1394
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess there was a good, good one against

1395
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: Green Bay. Anyone that was longer than second touchdown, Yeah,

1396
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: that would be fun. But no, I don't really, I

1397
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: don't put them in order. I loved all of them.

1398
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: Even the blocks, even even blocking in the run game.

1399
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: Like one of my favorite feelings was if TD flew

1400
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: past me and like I knew, I took care of

1401
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 2: my guy, like I played tackle right, Like we're kindre

1402
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: spirits here. So as a receiver, Hell yeah, I wouldn't.

1403
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got on the field if I didn't block,

1404
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: Like that's how I got on the field. That's how

1405
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Rod Smith got on the field. So we'd have like

1406
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: these little side bets five ten bucks. Dude, I bet

1407
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: I have more decleaders than you. They saying, hell no,

1408
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: you won't have more decleaders than me. And then we'd like,

1409
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: let's get our team, let's get our head coach Mike

1410
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: Shanahan to stop the tape because he's going to have

1411
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: to because we're going to declete somebody in this game.

1412
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: And we would just literally go for decleaders, not just

1413
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: not just blocks. Yeah, five or ten bucks. I'm like,

1414
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: uh yeah, he was undrafted, I little light.

1415
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: He's like in the middle of career going on to

1416
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. You know.

1417
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: It's funny though it didn't take more than that. All right,

1418
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: you're on, man, let's do it. It was more of

1419
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: the pride thing right. The money was nothing, but it

1420
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: was so fun. And that was your My first year

1421
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: with the Broncos, I didn't play that much, but competing

1422
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: with Rod to get decleaders and just the feeling you

1423
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: get when you're head coach, when you're not one of

1424
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: the main guys on the team, you're not a starter,

1425
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: you're backup. When he stops the film in front of

1426
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: the whole team after the game, he said, oh, wait

1427
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: a minute, who's that Orally, let's check this out. Well, yeah,

1428
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: there we go. Right, We just look at each other

1429
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: like all right. It was just such a fun feeling. Man,

1430
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: ball was fun. That's the best I feel like.

1431
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say in a team meeting, when

1432
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: you when there's literally a pause and a highlight on

1433
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: you and you get to go watch it through and

1434
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: the pride that just goes to your body, and then

1435
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: on the flip side the low light, you're just like,

1436
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 3: please God, I had.

1437
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: One of those two. And you're right, it's the worst

1438
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: feeling in the world. You just feel like you've let

1439
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: everybody down and they don't. You know, Coach Shanahan would

1440
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: never embarrass you. He doesn't call people out to embarrass them,

1441
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: but he like want, he has high expectations. So we

1442
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: think we had a gam against Cleveland where we lost

1443
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: and that happened to me, and you're right, I'm thinking,

1444
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, I played pretty well. I had a pretty

1445
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: good game. Actually statistically it was one of my better games.

1446
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, guys, this is what we need

1447
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: to do to get better. And I'm like clipping number three,

1448
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: like diving for a ball in the back of the

1449
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: end zone then went off my fingertips and even to

1450
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: this day, I'm like, I don't know if I could

1451
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: have caught it. But he's like, these are the plays

1452
00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: we have to make. And I'm like, I'm like, you

1453
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: know something about when you do an offense, it's one thing,

1454
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: but when the whole team's in there, like the defenses

1455
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: in there, the other side of the ball, all the coaches,

1456
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: it's like you, I mean, you feel like you let

1457
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: your team down. You feel sick to your stomach. But

1458
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: it's done in a professional way, and it just make

1459
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: sure that you don't exhale right nobody, Hey, even if

1460
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: you had a good game, you have a play in

1461
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: this game where you could have done better that could

1462
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: have been the difference in the game. We need to

1463
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: make these plays to win, and that was the expectation.

1464
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: But you're right, the feeling you get is just nausea. Yeah, yeah,

1465
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: I feel like it.

1466
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: I felt like coach Shane and he always he probably

1467
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: is probably obviously throughout his career, but I felt like

1468
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: he always did a good job of calling out, you know,

1469
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: calling out guys in team meetings and hyping them up,

1470
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: and whether it's the low lights, having the teaching moments

1471
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: and everything else, but he would always like spotlight guys

1472
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: basically in all of our team meetings, like every day.

1473
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Like I remember my first call out. I was just

1474
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: on practice squad and I played it sucked. I had

1475
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: to full back, tight end, linebacker, and he I got

1476
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: to stand up and he's just talking about, you know,

1477
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: all the different things that I would have to do

1478
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: and everything else, and I just remember it was like

1479
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: the best feeling in the world. Later that day, after practice,

1480
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: he tried talking me into fullback and gave me some

1481
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: run around story about how some linebacker went to fullback

1482
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: in Denver. And from that moment I intentionally played poorly

1483
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: as a fullback because I did not want to go

1484
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: to the offensive side of the ball.

1485
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think you have a good feel for

1486
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: how Kyle Shanahan coaches because he does it in a

1487
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 2: very similar way. He speaks to every position on the team.

1488
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: But as you tell me, it's a defensive player. When

1489
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: your head coaches, your offensive coordinator knows your job and

1490
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: your responsibility and talks about it in front of the

1491
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: whole team, does that gain him a little extra respect

1492
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: than a coach that might be a figurehead who isn't

1493
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: sure exactly what you're doing on your side of the ball.

1494
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like Shanahan because he would float around

1495
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: all the different position meetings as well, and I felt

1496
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: like he had just as good of a grass defensively

1497
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: as he did offensively. But yeah, when you'd get a

1498
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: call out like that or understanding like okay, he knows

1499
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: all these things that are going on, it was like

1500
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: it was cool because when we were like growing up

1501
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: like Denver, I mean we were like what ten to

1502
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: eleven when all when those team were win those championships,

1503
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: So you guys were like, you know, in front of everybody,

1504
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: like you just remember the Shannon Sharfs of Trell Davis

1505
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: d Ed McCaffrey's and uh, coach Shanahan being that Super

1506
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: Bowl winning coach, So getting that one year was just

1507
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: super cool because you'd see him on TV all the time.

1508
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, this dude's you, this dud's your head coach. Yeah,

1509
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got a feel for that, because that's

1510
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: the Kyle. You know, he made this team his own

1511
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: and like things have changed offensively scheme wise, but he

1512
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: takes the same approach. And then I have to be

1513
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: a football coach. I have to know everybody's assignment. I'm

1514
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: gonna watch every position meeting. I'm gonna know offense, defense,

1515
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: special teams. I'm gonna have team meetings where I talk

1516
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: about offense, defense and special teams in front of everybody.

1517
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: M H.

1518
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: And I think, I think what it does when you

1519
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: have a coach like that, it makes everyone kind of

1520
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: sit up a little straighter. It makes everyone respect him

1521
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: because they know he knows their assignment, you know, on

1522
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: their site the ball and uh and they they believe

1523
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: in them and they trust in them. And I think

1524
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing with the forty nine.

1525
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: Ers earlier when you were talking about your uh that

1526
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: first Bronco Super Bowl. The way you guys felt like

1527
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: should have won the year before, going fourteen to two,

1528
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: you lose one to Jacksonville, and there was just that

1529
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: confidence of like, hey, there's nothing to say, we got

1530
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: to go out win the Super Bowl. Do that matter

1531
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: if you guys were eleven point underdogs. I feel like

1532
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: that's a very similar situation around right now with the Niners.

1533
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: Like you go in you lost Brock last year against

1534
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: the Eagles, like you were a team that you probably

1535
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,479
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, we're going to do it this year,

1536
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: and then you don't. I feel like that expectation for

1537
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers this year is like, hey, there's

1538
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: like nothing to say, like we have to take care of.

1539
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: Business against the Chiefs. Yeah, there's I mean there's no

1540
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: talking doesn't do anything right. And I think you know,

1541
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: the Chiefs have been to a few Super Bowls, right,

1542
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: they're the same way. It's like, hey, they know that

1543
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: nothing you say is going to make a difference. You

1544
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: got to go out and play. And I think the

1545
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: forty nine ers understand that. I do think you know,

1546
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: when you have a young quarterback in different players on

1547
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: your team, it doesn't mean something. When you know if

1548
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: you lose a championship game, because your quarterback got hurt.

1549
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: And then you play the same team week thirteen, and

1550
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: then you go out and beat them pretty good. I

1551
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: think that builds confidence, right. I think when you're down

1552
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: seventeen in the championship game and you're like, we're facing

1553
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: the biggest comeback in championship history, and then you come

1554
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: back and win the game, it does give you some confidence.

1555
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: And I think when you get into the big, big game,

1556
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, right, you do draw on that. Hey,

1557
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: no matter what the score is, we're never out of this.

1558
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: So no matter how this unfolds, you believe in yourself.

1559
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: We don't need to change what we're doing. We've been

1560
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: here before. You hope everything goes well and you got

1561
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: the lead and everything goes great the whole game. But

1562
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: if it doesn't, you don't blink. You don't have to

1563
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 2: change what you're doing.

1564
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also haven't put four quarters together yet,

1565
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: like they have not done in the play sixteen minutes

1566
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: of football, coming together a couple of years ago, losing

1567
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: too the same team, like this is just breeding a

1568
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: like a get back year.

1569
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: Let's hope they do it this this game, right, Let's

1570
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: put it all together this week because defensively. If we

1571
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: can put the second half of Green Bay in the

1572
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: second half Detroit together in that one game defensively, then

1573
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: offensively take the second half and put that together, it

1574
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: would be one heck of a game. But I'm looking

1575
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: forward to it. Man, It's going to be a close game.

1576
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: Two great teams. You know, Kansas City is looking at

1577
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: a dynasty. There's nothing to say. You just got to

1578
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: go and play ball.

1579
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,440
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Speaker 2: What's the prediction? I never I never predicted anything. I

1603
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: think this one give a prediction. This is my prediction.

1604
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: It's going to be a hell of a game, and

1605
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be close, and it's going to be

1606
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: hard fought, and the team that makes the most plays

1607
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 2: at the end of the day will win it.

1608
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: But so what's your prediction? I close game, Niners on top.

1609
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: You know, as as if this was if I didn't

1610
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: have a kid playing in it, I'd feel free making

1611
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: a prediction. But whenever I watch my kids games, it's like, look,

1612
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: I'm a dad. Now, I'm taking off my coach's cap

1613
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: putting on my dad's cap. I love you, I'm here,

1614
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: free no matter what me cheering for you on game

1615
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 2: day and uh, and you know, hopefully it goes well.

1616
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: Do we got a dad hat for him? It would

1617
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: have been greaty we just throw on the old Yeah.

1618
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: Well also, I just got a package at the room

1619
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: that came in. I have a whole bunch of dad

1620
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: hats and bust and Mark.

1621
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: I just picture him just saying that I take off

1622
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: my coach and then he just all of a sudden,

1623
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: dat Yeah.

1624
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, put your dad hat on. No,

1625
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: but it's it's tough man, because you uh, you know,

1626
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: anything I say, thank you, I love it. Yeah, I

1627
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: am honored I earned a dad hat. Yeah, thank you.

1628
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: But you know, if I say anything, it'll be repeated.

1629
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: So I'm hope. I think it's two great teams. What

1630
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: are you going to do? You guys have played ball.

1631
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: You came so close, right, and you been a lot

1632
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: in a lot of games, won some, loss some and

1633
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: you know, we've watched a lot of Super Bowls. So

1634
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm hoping the forty nine ers, like you said, put

1635
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: two halves together and get it done. But I played

1636
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: in too many games, one too many, lost too many

1637
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: to make predictions.

1638
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the Christian McCaffrey Foundation.

1639
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started that a few years ago and it

1640
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: started out helping military families. He is so invested in

1641
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: helping military families and from you know, military men and

1642
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: women that come back and need help after they've served

1643
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: our country to helping their families. And I know right

1644
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: now there's some specific things he's trying to do to

1645
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: help them recover and take care of their bodies and

1646
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: deal with their physical issues that he's trying to help

1647
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: them with, especially you know, some of the rangers in

1648
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: high level military personnel, and so it started out helping them,

1649
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: and it's kind of expanded to also helping out children

1650
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: in hospitals across the country. You know, he had this kid, Logan,

1651
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: who's not no longer with us, just incredible kid who

1652
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: was in the hospital and the children's ward, and all

1653
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: he wanted to do was play video games with his friends.

1654
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: But you're sequestered, you're away from your friends, and there's

1655
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: it's really hard to play video games online with everybody,

1656
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: and maybe the hospitals didn't have those units. So he

1657
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: created the Logan Bowl last year where kids and hospitals

1658
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: around the country could play with their friends on these

1659
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: consoles and so that's a really really cool thing that

1660
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 2: he did as well. So it means a lot to

1661
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: him to give back. You know, Logan was buried in

1662
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: Christian's jersey in Carolina, and he had he had such like, dude,

1663
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: when that happens, like it's tugging on your heartstrings. It

1664
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: had such an impact on Christian. I mean, he had

1665
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: more influence on Christian than Christian had on him. But

1666
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: like in his name, he wants to continue to be

1667
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: able to give kids that experience when they're hospitalized, for them,

1668
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: for their families. And so he had a Logan Bowl

1669
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: last year where a bunch of NFL guys competed online

1670
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 2: in this little playoffs and and it was a lot

1671
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: of fun. But supporting military families and supporting you know,

1672
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: kids in hospitals across the country's always been really important

1673
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: to him. That's awesome.

1674
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: I know, you guys. You also have some youth football,

1675
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: some youth football camps.

1676
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing a camp, gosh since my kids

1677
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: were little. Originally it was just for them and their bodies,

1678
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: just rolled a ball in the park and started getting

1679
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: more and more kids together all down. Yeah, let's play

1680
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: ball and then over the years, I just realized there's

1681
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: so many kids. I never went to a football camp

1682
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 2: growing up. I played basketball, never even went to a

1683
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: football camp. Started playing a high school, played little league football,

1684
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: but just signed up for my team. Never went to

1685
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: a camp to learn how to play football, and never

1686
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: learned speed training or sports performance. I'd like to teach

1687
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: some of these kids some of the stuff I learned

1688
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: over the years that might not have access to this

1689
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: type of stuff. So we bring in Lauren Lando and

1690
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: his sports performance staff. He was the sports trainer for

1691
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: the Broncos for a number of years, of strength coach

1692
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: and now he's at Notre Dame. But we'd bring in

1693
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: him and his crew and they teach him speed training,

1694
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, a lot of kids didn't learn that

1695
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: back when I was growing up. I'm like, I want

1696
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: them to learn about speed training. And then we'd bring

1697
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 2: in celebrity NFL coaches and players to talk to the

1698
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: kids about their experience and about you know, the importance

1699
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 2: of staying in school and getting good grades, and they'd

1700
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: share their stories. And then a lot of high school

1701
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: and college and NFL coaches love to coach. Some of

1702
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: these guys are no longer coaching, but they love ball.

1703
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 2: And so between teaching the kids the game in a

1704
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: very safe way, teaching them speed training, letting them here

1705
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 2: from motivational speakers, helping the coaches who want to coach,

1706
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, work for four days in the summer. It's

1707
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: just to feel good for me. I just love doing it.

1708
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: Overnight camp, No, it's a four day day camp, and

1709
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: we have two camps during the same four days. We

1710
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: have an Elite camp, which is for athletes that really

1711
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 2: want to learn one specific position, so you know, older

1712
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: kids but still under eighth grade, and then an open

1713
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: camp for anybody, and we bring in a lot of

1714
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: kids from the Boys and Girls Club and other organizations,

1715
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: kids from military families, and you don't have to have

1716
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: ever played football before. There's no pads. It's seven on

1717
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: seven and skill training and speed training.

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01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: That's cool. If kids were interested in going to one

1719
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: of those, where could they find on.

1720
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: That sports eddie dot Com. It's sports Eddie, Yeah, sports Eddie,

1721
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: but it's s p R T s E D d

1722
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: Y sports like an eddie, like if you're a fisherman. Okay,

1723
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: sports Eddie dot Com. We've been doing camp for like

1724
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: over twenty years and it's the highlight of my summer.

1725
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: I enjoy it every June seventeenth through the twentieth. This year,

1726
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: kids flying from out out of state. Some of my

1727
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: old high school buddies bring their kids from Pennsylvania, and

1728
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 2: a lot of people vacation in Colorado and they'll mark

1729
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: their calendars for that week just so their kids can

1730
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 2: have some fun playing ball.

1731
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is really cool, man.

1732
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: You got anything else?

1733
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: I do not, JP, Mitch, anybody got anything for mister McCaffrey.

1734
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: The only way for Christian to win the Super Bowl

1735
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: was for you to lose all yours?

1736
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: Would you do it? So?

1737
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: JP just asked if.

1738
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 3: Here go ahead, JP, if the only way, if the

1739
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 3: only way for Christian to win a super Bowl would

1740
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 3: be you lose all of yours.

1741
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not good. I'm not getting in these hypotheticals.

1742
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: But you got to answer that question. That question. I

1743
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: don't have to answer that question. You don't have to.

1744
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you guys think you can take.

1745
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 2: You're right that you care more about your kids than

1746
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: you care about yourself, at least I do, like so,

1747
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: I want I want so badly for him to have

1748
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: success and to win. But I don't you know, you know,

1749
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: I got my friends and my teammates and Christians experience

1750
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 2: back then in my family. And but I would I

1751
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: would pay, you know, I would give up a lot

1752
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 2: for him to be able to have that experience, including

1753
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: just not your Super Bowl rings. I will give them

1754
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 2: all three of the Marty trophies in my office, uh,

1755
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 2: for him to win this one. Yeah, let's do it.

1756
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: I tell you what, I know you do that progudgingly.

1757
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: So thank you for dealing with us. No, no, it

1758
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 3: is man, it's I'm telling you. It changes your world.

1759
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 3: You've seen some like gymnastics or ballet or something like that,

1760
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: and you watch your kids run around like what wouldn't

1761
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: you do for your kids?

1762
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: I know, man, it is. It is really cool. Man,

1763
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for coming on. This was this is

1764
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: all the time. I couldn't wait whenever we booked you,

1765
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: we couldn't wait until see him, Like, hey man, we

1766
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: got your old man, it's coming on.

1767
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: I got my phones right here.

1768
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: I texted him. I said we got you on, and

1769
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: all I said it was big ed that's it. Yeah, big,

1770
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 3: not a lot of words anything for me, Like we

1771
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 3: can get you like cooking going. He's like big ed,

1772
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 3: it's awesome.

1773
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 2: He's focused.

1774
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 3: He's he's focused. He's not I'll tell you what he Yeah,

1775
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 3: because the NFC Championship game, he had that hit towards

1776
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: the end zone where he kind of went off the

1777
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 3: head a little bit, and I was like, hey man,

1778
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 3: that like you could see him kind of like looking around,

1779
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: give me one and you only see Christian.

1780
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: Do they give me one thing? Ever?

1781
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: So I text him after the game. I was like,

1782
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 3: hey man, saw the hit. Hope you're all good. Good

1783
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: luck in a couple of weeks. He's like, I'm fine.

1784
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: That was his response. I was like, oh fuck, yeah, dude,

1785
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 3: that got me fired up.

1786
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah no, he was fine. He just he needed one.

1787
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: He you know, he never likes coming out, but yeah, no,

1788
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: he was good to go. He was ready to come

1789
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: back in if they if they needed him too. But

1790
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons it's great having two weeks

1791
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 2: off also, right, remember there was a short period of

1792
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: time there where you only had one week off before

1793
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. I'll never forget it. It was Pittsburgh

1794
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: in that particular game, and every one of the receivers

1795
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: missed the game. Had he had two weeks, he would

1796
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: have been able to play. So I think it's good

1797
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: there's that week in between the game, the championship and

1798
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

1799
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the anticipation of having two weeks though,

1800
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 3: Like obviously the excitement we're going to Super Bowl. Then

1801
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: probably by Tuesday or Wednesday the next week or that week,

1802
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm still a week and a half away

1803
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: from playing in this game.

1804
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not.

1805
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 3: Like getting so excited to where like you kind of

1806
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 3: blow your load on like the following Wednesday.

1807
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Like by the time kind of

1808
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: Thursday practice ends, it seems like an eternity. By the

1809
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 2: time you get to the game, you feel like you've

1810
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: been waiting forever. Like these guys. If anything, you got

1811
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: to guard against being too amped up because you're so

1812
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 2: ready to go and you've been waiting forever and you

1813
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: feel great because you haven't played in a couple of weeks.

1814
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: And so that's one of the big challenges. Also, like

1815
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 2: early on in the game, don't get too amped up.

1816
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: And then also it's going to be the longest halftime

1817
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: of your life, so you're gonna have to eat or

1818
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: drink something and stay too ready to go and you know,

1819
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: regroup in the second half. We've seen some games, right

1820
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: second half, a team comes out flat, they've been sitting

1821
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: around for half an hour. So stuff like worm no

1822
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: longer right and stuff like that does matter. But it's

1823
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 2: a great experience. Man. I'm so happy for him. He's

1824
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: been waiting for this moment for his whole life and

1825
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, he gets to take the field with his

1826
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: team and see what they can do. And we're happy

1827
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 2: for you. Thanks guys, thank you man. This is all time. Yeah,

1828
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 2: great episode. We got to get the