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Speaker 1: Warning today's episode canad spoilers for Foundation season three episode.

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Speaker 2: Eight, Skin in the Game. You warn't Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and my name's a boo

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Speaker 3: Today, Jason, we are continuing our journey across the Empire.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about Foundation season three, episode eight.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive immediately into it. Foundation season three episode eight,

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Speaker 1: Skin in the Game. We open outside of the vault

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Speaker 1: where the Mule has just got done telling Harry his

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Speaker 1: backstory as we saw in the flashback in episode seven.

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Speaker 1: Harry then puts all a little clues together from that

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Speaker 1: flashback and goes, oh, let's see big Spinach, monocrop planet,

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Speaker 1: heavy Imperial quotas I'm guessing Rassam is that right? And

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Speaker 1: he Harry then shares his own you know background. He's like, listen,

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Speaker 1: I know I know a lot about the heavy hand

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Speaker 1: of empire when you feel it weighing on your shoulder,

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Speaker 1: and how taro all that can be. So you know,

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Speaker 1: let's talk, let's make a deal. Harry and the Mule,

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Speaker 1: you know, come to a conversation where they're you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like moving around the idea of

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Speaker 1: can we deal with each other? They're not sure, but

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Speaker 1: they're kind of poking around the Mule very clearly. He

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Speaker 1: knows what he wants, and he's wanted it for a while.

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Speaker 1: He wants Gail. He wants this woman who's hounding him

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Speaker 1: in the second in Harry's Hidden Second Foundation, like give

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Speaker 1: up her location because I'm tired of her hunting me

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Speaker 1: across time. And Harry is like, Gail Dornic, Yeah, Gail

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Speaker 1: Dornic helped me out with some stuff like three hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty years ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, help me bring up like point, very very random.

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Speaker 1: She helped me with some stuff for that big Imperial

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Speaker 1: meeting back in season one, which again.

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Speaker 2: Is like over three centuries ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she died, you know, back in the day,

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Speaker 1: way way way long ago. And the Mule is like, listen,

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Speaker 1: very funny, ha ha ha, gil me Gail or I'm

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Speaker 1: going to destroy this planet. I'm gonna blow up the

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Speaker 1: vault and then your little project.

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Speaker 2: Is is done.

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Speaker 1: And then he realizes, wait a second, you're not fooling around.

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Speaker 1: You actually don't know that Gail is a lot. And

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Speaker 1: then he's like, oh wow, now I'm kind of disappointed,

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Speaker 1: like the great Harry Seldon, and you're just kind of

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Speaker 1: Like right now, Harry comes back in him and I'm

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for hologram Harry after this,

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Speaker 1: because I have to say, I kind of arrived at

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Speaker 1: where the mule arrived seconds ago, much earlier.

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Speaker 2: The hologram Harry.

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Speaker 1: Is the out of it Harry who is adhering to

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Speaker 1: He pops out of his little vault like every so

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Speaker 1: often to being like, Hi, I'm Harry, I'm still around

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Speaker 1: and a great plan blah blah blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 2: He doesn't know anything.

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Speaker 1: But then Harry says, oh, yeah, I feel you searching

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Speaker 1: around and whatever. This hologram mind of mine is trying

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I watch this null field.

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Speaker 1: Boom traps the mule in the null field and is

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Speaker 1: very essence to to nothing, until like all that's left

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Speaker 1: spares his life. Shockingly, God, I could and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: wait what? And then he lords over the mules, you know,

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Speaker 2: You have some little secrets in.

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Speaker 1: Your little mind that I would like to unlock, and

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Speaker 1: you in a null field, I guess. And then Harry

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Speaker 1: just strides off, Yeah, what do you think that secret is?

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Speaker 2: What is this? What is the secret that the mule has?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that Harry believes that this is the

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Speaker 3: I think Harry wants to learn the true origins of

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Speaker 3: the Mule, because I do think Hologram Harry, between what

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Speaker 3: learning about the Mule's origins might be something that he

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Speaker 2: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: I think that he's he's he caught a glimpse of

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Speaker 2: Weirdly is excited by it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you get a feeling that Hologram Harry was

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Speaker 1: barely need to be here. But I think this has

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Speaker 1: And I think he's fired up and engaged Hologram Harry now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to see what that means, considering

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Speaker 1: he has no body, he has no constituency, really anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's everything's you know, the foundation one has fallen apart,

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Speaker 1: So what can he really do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that hologram Harry. I think I mentioned

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Speaker 3: Halo Graham Harry is like Harry one point zero. He's

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Speaker 3: like still the arrogant has asshole Harry. We met like

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Speaker 3: the episode one of the show without the character development

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Speaker 3: and growth alongside Gail. That real life body Harry got

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Speaker 3: in season two, season three, so good, Like the edges

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Speaker 1: Dig Harry because dick Harry one point zero would not

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Speaker 1: have built other people's statues before his own.

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Speaker 2: He would have built his first.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely and he got the statue.

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Speaker 2: Right, but he would have built it first.

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Speaker 1: Body Harry is like, I I appreciate what everybody else

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Speaker 2: Let me build their statues then I'll I'll really work

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Speaker 1: We go to Micagen the Layer of the Sun Master,

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Speaker 1: God and Man the Sun Master. This guy loves his job.

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Speaker 1: There's nobody I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If anyone he's in there.

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Speaker 1: He's got his Loki staff stopped by the you know,

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Speaker 1: returns to Trantor informs Dusk of Dawn's demise elsewhere in

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Speaker 1: basically saying, oh, that kid, that kid Dawn, he had everything,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I can't believe that kid.

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Speaker 2: He was right here under my wing and now he's gone.

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Speaker 1: He's dead, and it doesn't mean anything that galaxy is

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Speaker 1: Quent has been nothing but an incredible try. It is

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Speaker 1: really is, Like listen, don forget the clone stuff. I

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Speaker 1: have to believe that every clone is, yes, genetically a

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Speaker 2: He's gone.

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Speaker 1: I offer you my sincere condolences, Dusk, and they are

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Speaker 1: about to like really kind of commiserate over this, but

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Speaker 1: into some very very important imperial meetings with a triumvirate

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Speaker 2: They're here get out of the worst kind of meeting,

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Speaker 3: Before we move on from this scene, I do want

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Speaker 2: I was touched by that as well.

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Speaker 1: And I also and there's another layer two of it,

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Speaker 1: while as a singular man attempting to affect history, basically

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Speaker 2: I'll be in the vault. We go back to Mica.

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Speaker 1: Jen Song is told by uh sun Master that listen,

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Speaker 1: sorry about it, but the whole reason that he's down

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Speaker 1: here is because of you. So you kind of have to.

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Speaker 1: It's a formality, but you gotta sit next to him

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Speaker 1: with it. This is just a procedure. So then sun Master,

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Speaker 1: you know, launches into his incredibly dramatic reading of the charges,

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Speaker 1: Destruction of all robots, which is the doings of Cleon one.

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Speaker 1: But still we're going to since you are the clone,

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Speaker 1: we're going to charge.

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Speaker 2: You with these things.

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Speaker 1: And then the audience begins to chant and it activates

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Speaker 2: Skull a top sun Master's staff.

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Speaker 1: In the throne room, Dusk is meeting with the Galactic Council,

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Speaker 1: the Cloud Dominion and the Lumens, the Zephyr of the

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Speaker 1: is the Mule, and they basically flex immediately. They say, listen,

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Speaker 1: where are your other brother emperors.

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Speaker 2: They're not here.

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Speaker 1: And we represent a substantial power set within the empire

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Speaker 1: five trillion people, and we want a voice in this

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Speaker 2: I told you about the sub.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: You're getting pretty mediation now tabbing it, Gail returns to

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Speaker 3: He wants to Demoiselle genuinely.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just to save his life more than anything,

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Speaker 2: But I think.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he has recognized that Demozelle is maybe

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Speaker 2: I agree with that take.

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Speaker 1: and you know, they begin discussing what's happened. She's like,

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Speaker 1: And now they're worried because obvious save Pritch falls into

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Speaker 1: Gail's original plan was to bait the Mule into attacking

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Speaker 1: I refuse to do that, and Gail's like, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: Marzella is down in the wine cellar getting ready to

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Speaker 2: Right now, come on, come on, is now really the

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Speaker 1: We don't have time to train these guys up. They

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Speaker 2: The mule is.

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Speaker 1: Here, now, okay, I'm up to speed on.

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Speaker 2: All of this.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, then evacular like the what oh,

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Speaker 1: is actually pretty impressed that Dusk kept this secret from her,

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Speaker 1: Dusk is like this gravity bomb, Ah, it's it's my

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Speaker 2: I wanted it for Dawn.

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Speaker 1: As a deterrent for when he became Day in Dusk,

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Speaker 1: but sadly he died in an heroic fashion and Demozelle's

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Speaker 1: a heroic fashion. No, Actually, Don was a complete trader

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Speaker 1: working with Gail Dordic, And Dusk is like, no, that

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it. No, that can have happened.

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Speaker 1: And Demorzelle, yeah, that's right, there's a second Foundation, and

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Speaker 1: they have the full premium plan to Harry Selton's math

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Speaker 1: like everybody else. First Foundation, they're just like on the

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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to tell you this. And Dusk is like, well,

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Speaker 1: one thing's for sure. It's you and me now, Demarselle

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Speaker 1: against the galaxy.

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Speaker 2: So what do you say?

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Speaker 1: We hit pause on Ascension day and we can you know,

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Speaker 1: of course we can decant these guys later, but.

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Speaker 2: We got to deal with.

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Speaker 1: This now, which means I stay alive for a little while.

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Speaker 2: We go to space.

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Speaker 1: Dawn is alive.

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Speaker 2: He survived amazing.

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Speaker 1: He's with Beta. They are prisoners of the Mule.

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Speaker 2: His legs are.

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Speaker 1: Hamburger after being used somehow as fuel for his spacesuit.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 1: They're still in orbit around New Terminus and they're just

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Speaker 1: In the Imperial Gardens on Trantor, the Zephyr explains to

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Speaker 1: don't worry about it, like I'm not going to execute

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Speaker 1: Cloud Dominion and the glact Council.

438
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: We've also been.

439
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Secretly working to overthrow the Empire for some amount of time. Now,

440
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Demarzelle gets a pissed and she says, well, now I

441
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: have to First of all, you've made me mad. I

442
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: now have to renounce Luminism and any kind of warm

443
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: feelings I had for the Luminis, which were many, as

444
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: we saw in season one. And you're really lucky I

445
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: don't kill you, and I am the Empire's a Reaper.

446
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: You got me fucked up. Now you got me.

447
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: You had me one hundred percent wrong, you thought because

448
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I showed you a little bit of warmth and empathy

449
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: in here and a different side of myself.

450
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Uh huh that I'm not.

451
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: That person that jumps out of like the spaceship with

452
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: the street sweeper and just wipes out the Empire's enemies.

453
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: That's me. Now, go get your mind wipe.

454
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: She wipes the Zephyr's mind, and Zephyr is like crying

455
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: when she comes out of the other side of the

456
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: mind wipe, and she's like, why am I crying, Demoiselle,

457
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: and Demozel's like.

458
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: Not a word.

459
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Figure it out, bitch walks away.

460
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: Stone cold, Stone Cold, She's mad.

461
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Now the Mule is in in Bird's office celebrating, and

462
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: he comes to this realization that his kind of search

463
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: for Gail is probably over, because she's gonna come see

464
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: him at some point. Gail, meanwhile, goes to the statue

465
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: that that body Harry carved of himself after he carved

466
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: this atues his loved ones and is like, God, I

467
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: wish I had you here, I wish I had a mentor,

468
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: I wish i'd had someone to like bounce ideas off of.

469
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: I wish Salvar my daughter was.

470
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: Here, but of course everyone's has died and I'm alone

471
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: with the math. And then Pream comes and says, hold on.

472
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: And another heartfelt moment from Gail here that I really liked.

473
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: She said, there was never enough time to tell the

474
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: people I love that I love them. I love you, Harry.

475
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I didn't say that earlier. I just felt

476
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: that was really powerful. Given this is a character who

477
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: has lived three hundred years and in some ways has

478
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: had more time than any other character we've met so far.

479
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: It's a good point because, you know, think about how

480
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: many people she has known and been close to have

481
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: who have died while she's been asleep. She hasn't been

482
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: even been around to see them off. It's an extremely

483
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: lonely feeling, and she's really feeling that isolation now. But

484
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: then Pream comes and says, listen, your mentalics, me and

485
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: the others we are like we're of one mind basically,

486
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: like the.

487
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Way our powers work is.

488
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: We understand each other's thoughts in this kind of like

489
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: instinctive way. It feels like one breath. And so when

490
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: you face the Mule, You're not gonna be alone. You're

491
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna be with us. With all of our minds, they're

492
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna be there with you, and we're gonna come with

493
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you too, and in actual body, we're gonna be with you,

494
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: backing you up above Neutran tour, the Mule goes to

495
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: visit his print, his prisoners. He probes Down's brain for

496
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: any information on Gail. He doesn't have much. He wants

497
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: to know where she is. He then he's grabbing Cleon's

498
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: injured legs, making him scream it's terrible. Beta says, why

499
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: don't you just fucking leave? I know beatas has continues

500
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: to be incredible, and the Mules like, you know what,

501
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: I will because I'm sensing now that Gail has just

502
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: arrived on New Terminus, and indeed that has happened. Gail

503
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: and her metallics arrive on New Terminus for the showdown

504
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: with the Mule. We go to Micagen to end the episode.

505
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: There's an uproar in the.

506
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: Courtroom because many who have heard Day's words are like, wait,

507
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: hold on a second, this surely the sub soil can

508
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: wait right like, let's it is? Is it not worth

509
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: finding out? If Daniel really is his secretary if the

510
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: Messiah does not exist, like we got to figure that out.

511
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: Sunmaster is like, no, we're not doing that.

512
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: We're we're doing media.

513
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: And then he leans in today it is like, yeah, Daniel,

514
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: to whatever.

515
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, buddy.

516
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't want robot Messiah, if she exists, to come back.

517
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Because I want this powerful myse Oh my god, and

518
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: you will go to.

519
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: The subsoil where your body will be broken down by

520
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: the bacteria and fed to our mushrooms. And the trap

521
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: door opens and Dave falls falls, Walls falls down, ending

522
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: the episode. Yet another crazy wow and kind of and

523
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: another crazy episode with some I think kind of major reveals.

524
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: We learned that the Lunis have for some time been

525
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: working against Empire.

526
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: We find out that.

527
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Gail's big plan was to hand over Empire and a

528
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: silver platter, but the Mule wrong footed her and went

529
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: for Foundation instead.

530
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: Right, And we.

531
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Learned that hologram Harry now has the full picture of

532
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: what's going on in the galaxy and he must he

533
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: must know. Maybe let's start here. He must know now

534
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: that second Foundation means another Harry running around. Gail can't

535
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: have done this on her own. Yeah, so if there's

536
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: another Harry, what does that mean for hologram Harry, because

537
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: he must have realized that, don't you think.

538
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: I think so.

539
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: I think he has started to fit the pieces of

540
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: this puzzle together, and I I'm definitely excited for a

541
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: potential Harry v. Harry standoff. If body Harry comes back again,

542
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: he's off in some other cosmic realm with being.

543
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Of beings of pure energy doing God knows what. We

544
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: don't understand.

545
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: It's still unclear if body Harry has just exited stage

546
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: left and is never coming back. But if he does, yeah,

547
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: there could be a world in which we have a

548
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: Harry v. Harry showdown. I also see an alternate world

549
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: in which body Harry legitimately has just left, but Holograham

550
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: Harry steps into that role once he's sort of filled

551
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: in on the situation. Maybe his desires to truly like

552
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: step into body Harry's position and lead second Foundation alongside

553
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: Gail and continue to nurture his plan as he sees fit.

554
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe this is just a way to

555
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: bring Harry back without bringing Harry back, If that make sense.

556
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: How much of what's happening do we think is you know,

557
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: a major theme of this season has been the kind

558
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: of cross currents that del Marsella is faced with. She's

559
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: programmed to serve Empire, and as she reiterated this episode,

560
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: if you think that she's not still down for the

561
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: cause of Empire, then you got her really wrong, because

562
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: and you got her wrong.

563
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: To your detriment.

564
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: At the same time, as she herself is wondering, is

565
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: there not some massive part of her that is working

566
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: to create a loophole by which she can actually be

567
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: free of this program dedication to Empire. And so I wonder, like,

568
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: with what's going on right now, how much of that

569
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: is Demarzelle's subconscious plan to have it happen.

570
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: I think, you know, we had talked a few episodes

571
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: ago with Rosie about the potential that all of this,

572
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: everything we've seen play out over three seasons, is part

573
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: of like a long term Demorzel plan to break free

574
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: from the cleon subjugation. I have maybe had a change

575
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: of heart. I actually think Demozel maybe knows less than

576
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: we've assumed. This episode in particular made me think that

577
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: she's kind of waffling a little bit and doesn't quite

578
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: know where to go. Next, the fact that she didn't

579
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: know about the death Star weapon, the fact that she

580
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: can so easily be convinced not to decant another set

581
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: of cleons. I think she's maybe just like making it

582
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: up a little bit as she goes.

583
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: It's a good point.

584
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, she it must be incredibly almost disheartening for

585
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: her to realize that one that she's been fooled like this.

586
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: She didn't see the looms coming, and she didn't see

587
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: someone in her own household. I mean, she didn't see

588
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: multiple people in her own household doing things outside of

589
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: her vision. Days slipped away. We don't even know where

590
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: he is down was working with Gail Dornick, couldn't do

591
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: anything about it. And now Dusk has created a super

592
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: weapon with like some kind of slush fund cobbled together

593
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: from like household shopping funds, has created this gravity bomb.

594
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: Right's saving his allowance for like thirty years to.

595
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Make this bomb, and she had no idea about it.

596
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: And now what will they do with it?

597
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I guess that's the other question, is like, Okay, so

598
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: like you have this, you just lobb it at new

599
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: Terminus and hope the mule is there.

600
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 3: Right, I'm not sure where I'm interested to see where

601
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: these last few episodes go because does the showdown take

602
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: place on New Terminus that's where certain powers have certainly

603
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: converged at this point, or is the showdown going to

604
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: be at Trant or I'm not sure. I mean, we

605
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: do know that a black hole is going to be

606
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: involved at some point, because Gail, of course, is beyond

607
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: the what was it.

608
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: Beyond the subsequent Oh yeah, what was it?

609
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: It was like beyond the like computation horizon of blah

610
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. But we know that Gail's going

611
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 3: to end up in a black hole. So I don't

612
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: know there's definitely a Gaale versus Mule showdown happening.

613
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: I think there.

614
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't think Day is dead, to be clear, the

615
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: end of this episode made me certain that he's not dead.

616
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: He's not absolutely not. Will.

617
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I think we'll be saved maybe by Demarselle. I expect

618
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: she hasked to go down there right when she feels

619
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: the call of one of her.

620
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, where I was going. I suspect like we've been

621
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: watching Demozel be like more and more unmoored throughout this

622
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: whole season, and I think hearing the call of another

623
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 3: robot might be the thing that finally shakes her world enough.

624
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, I suspect this season's going to end on

625
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: like a Demozel communicating with another robot for the first

626
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: time in what five thousand years? Yeah, so that would

627
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: be a huge reveal.

628
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: I think Sunmaster I have to wonder, like, it seems

629
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: like not a really great end game for him. So

630
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: his plan is like feed day to the soil, hope

631
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: that this transmission that his staff has put out doesn't

632
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: connect with Danielle and that whole story was completely bullshit.

633
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also.

634
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Is seemingly completely not plugged in with things going on

635
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: elsewhere in the galaxy, like the Mule and these other things.

636
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Because it feels to me like sun Master, if I

637
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: had to bet on stuff that will definitely happen this season, Sunmaster.

638
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Dies a hundred.

639
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: Most definitely Sunmaster dies, I couldn't agree more. I would

640
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: also happily put money down on that. Yeah. I mean,

641
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: I think I don't think he's that deep of a

642
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: character in the sense that, like he's not a major

643
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: player in this story. I do just think he's like

644
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: a small time Gould leader obsessed with his little small

645
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: time power in this corner of my Kagen that he

646
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: doesn't want to let go of. But clearly he's now

647
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: been wrapped up in literally empire spanning events and there's

648
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: no putting the signal back in the bottle. Like, it's

649
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: out there. He can flip the reset switch on that

650
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: skull all he wants, but it's out there, and I

651
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: do think Deverzel's going to hear it.

652
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we're heading up to some really incredible confrontations.

653
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Gail the Mule, Gail Hologram Harry. Yes, I mean if

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Speaker 1: I'm almost more interested in that one. What happens when

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Speaker 1: Hologram Harry comes face to face with the leader of

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Speaker 1: the Foundation, they his protege that he did not know

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Speaker 1: was still alive, who had been working with a fully

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Speaker 1: bodied version of himself for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: What will that meeting be like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that I agree so wholeheartedly. I'm almost more interested

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Speaker 3: in the interpersonal conflicts that are going to happen versus

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Speaker 3: the sort of like big pewpw guns fighting showdown. Yeah

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Speaker 3: the Mule, And I don't know, like that is going

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Speaker 3: to be so incredible. I think the Demozel meeting now

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Speaker 3: the robot thing is going to be incredible. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a great strength of this show is like the

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Speaker 3: smaller human interactions feel somehow more powerful than the galact

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Speaker 3: expanding wars that are happening in the Those are almost

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Speaker 3: are almost the backdrop upon which all of the human

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Speaker 3: interpersonal relationships are taking place, which I find most interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's same here.

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Speaker 1: And finally, I gotta I I'm feeling more and more

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Speaker 1: like the Mule is someone's pawn because he appeared out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, yeah, with these powers that we've seen elsewhere

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Speaker 1: in the universe, and he kind of came with only

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Speaker 1: one mission in mind, which is to find this woman,

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Speaker 1: Gail Dornick, who has been in his mind pursuing him

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Speaker 1: through his dreams, and the things he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Are seemingly aims.

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Speaker 1: That others would have like a heavy incentive to see happen,

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Speaker 1: And so I wonder, like, who who really put the

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Speaker 1: Mule in play? If anyone do you have any thoughts

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 3: I also, as I'm glad you brought this up, I

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Speaker 3: literally had this thought where I was like, we're eight

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Speaker 3: episodes in and if there was one very tiny critique

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Speaker 3: I'd have for this show this season eight episodes in,

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Speaker 3: is that I feel like I didn't get enough Mule,

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Speaker 3: Like we got a flashback. But I'm actually in agreement

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Speaker 3: with Halo Graham Harry that I think that flashback is

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Speaker 3: bullshit and just a story that the Mule has made

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Speaker 3: up for himself, or it's been a story that's been

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Speaker 3: implanted in his brain by someone, some other mentalit who knows.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's true, you know, I think the

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Speaker 3: flashback is a red herring. So given that, like we've

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Speaker 3: basically been given no backstory or character development for the

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Speaker 3: Mule beyond, like you stated, a very simple motivation to

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Speaker 3: find Gail Dornick, which I agree with you, feels more

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Speaker 3: and more like not his motivation feels like a different

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Speaker 3: powers motivation. And so I'm curious if intentionally we don't

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Speaker 3: know much about the Mule because in these last two episodes.

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Speaker 2: Of the season, and.

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Speaker 3: There are big reveals to come that the meal is

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Speaker 3: just upon I suspect that might be the case, or

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Speaker 3: at least that's that's where my head's at currently.

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Speaker 2: Well, incredible episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm sad that we'reried not going to get that much

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Speaker 1: more of this season, and also sun Masters, My guy,

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Speaker 1: I was just eating up the scenery to a truly

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Speaker 1: insane degree.

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Speaker 2: This Yahiso it.

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Speaker 1: Is, I mean, making a century out of every syllable

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Speaker 1: everywhere is unbelievable performance from sun Master eighteen. Any any

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Speaker 1: final predictions to leave us with?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to get into the Harry

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Speaker 3: Selden prediction game because I genuinely I'm very excited to

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Speaker 3: see where nine and ten go, and I'm here for

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Speaker 3: the ride. We're so far from book territory that it's

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Speaker 3: like not even worth the efforts for me to try

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Speaker 3: and like mind my book knowledge to guess what happens next.

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Speaker 3: So I have deeply enjoyed this season and I can't

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Speaker 3: wait to see where we go.

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Speaker 2: Well that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 4: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan, and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 1: And Heidi our discord moderator,