1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: DAYBAC podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Thursday, the thirteenth of June here in London. 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepcare and. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. The Fed signals that 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: there will likely be a single rate cut this year, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: but keeps the door open to a second. 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: G seven leaders reportedly agree to tap frozen Russian assets 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: to support Ukraine. 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: Plus private equity and focus. Bloomberg learns labor will target 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: carried interest In today's election manifesto, Let's start. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: With a roundup of our top stories. Federal Reserve officials 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: have walked back their expectations for interest rate cuts this year. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Updated economic projections from policymakers show boring costs being lowered 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: only once in twenty twenty four. That's down from three 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: rate cuts previously forecasts. The Fed held interest rates steady 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the meeting FED chairge your own Pal says the Central 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Bank is taking a cautious approach. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 3: We all make decisions about future meetings until we get there. 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: I think in terms of what we need to see, 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: we want to gain further confidence. Certainly, more good inflation 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: readings will help with that. I'm not going to be 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: specific about how many, because you know, really it's going 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: to be not just the inflation readings, it's going to 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: be the totality of the data. 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Powell's comments came after figures showed course CPI cooling for 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: a second month in a row in May to three 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: point four percent year on year. Despite Powell's caution, investors 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: are still pricing in more than forty basis points of 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: easing this year. 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: G seven leaders are set to back a deal providing 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: Ukraine with fifty billion dollars of aid using the profits 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: from frozen Russian assets. According to a French official, the 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: technical details need to be finalized, but the aim is 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: for funds to make it to Kiev by the end 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: of the year. The news comes after months of wrangling 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: among US and European allies about how to use the 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: profits generated from two hundred and eighty billion dollars in 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: frozen Russian Central Bank funds, mostly which I stuck in Europe. 40 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg has learned the Labor Party is expected to alter 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: some tax rules for private equity fund managers if it 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: wins the general election. Changing the tax on carried interest 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: is of one of many measures being closely watched when 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the party's manifesto is published later today. Labor leader Kirs 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Starmer says his party's strategy on the economy and business 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: is working. 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 4: I concluded that I should listen to the electorate. And 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 4: when you lose that badly, you don't look to the 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: voters and say, what on earth do you think you 50 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: were doing, You look at your party and say we 51 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: have to change. 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Starmer's manifesto looks set to reiterate key pledges, including a 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: cap on corporation tax at the current rate of twenty 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: five percent and a commitment not to increase income tax, 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: national insurance or VAT by The Institute for Fiscal Studies 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: says there is an inevitable choice coming on either cutting 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: spending or raising taxes no matter who wins the general election. 58 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: The French president Emmanuel Macron sists he won't step down 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: even if his party loses upcoming legislative elections. Frances holding 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: its two round parliamentary vote starting on the thirtieth of June. 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: Macron's political rival Marrying Le Penn is leading polls by 62 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: a wide margin with her far right National Rally party. 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: Speaking at a press conference, the French president sought to 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: dispel rumors about his future. 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 5: It's absurd. I believe in the strength of our institutions. 66 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 5: I did not intend to campaign more than I did 67 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 5: for the legislative elections of twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two, 68 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 5: but I thought that in today's circumstances it was important 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 5: to set the course and the method. 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: President Emmanuel Macron speaking yesterday. His speech comes after French 71 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: bonds tumbled on Tuesday, following reports the president had discussed 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: resigning if he suffered a big defeat in the elections. 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: Elon Musk is being sued by a group of former 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: SpaceX engineers for sexual harassment and vitaliation. The complaint has 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: been filed in a state court in California. Bloombergs teaba 76 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Adebayo has the details. 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 6: The eight former employees claimed Musk knowingly and purposefully created 78 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 6: a hostile work environment. They say he brought vile sexual photographs, 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 6: memes and commentary that demeaned women all the LGBTQ community 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 6: into the workplace. The workers wrote an open letter in 81 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two raising concerns about Musk's behavior and say 82 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 6: they were fired in response. The same group of employees 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 6: have already complained to the US National Labour Relations Board. 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 6: SpaceX and Elon Musk haven't commented on the lawsuit. SpaceX 85 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 6: previously denied wrongdoing and said that the fired employees violated 86 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 6: policies in London to her Adebayo Bloomberg Radio. 87 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: Now, in a moment, we'll bring you more on the 88 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: federal reserve rate decision, the dot plot, and will look 89 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: ahead to the much anticipation launch of the labor election manifesto. 90 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: But first, another story that caught our eye about how 91 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: demotivated workers are in the UK and how much of 92 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: a crisis that is because of the cost to the 93 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: UK economy. So this is research from Gallup. It shows 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: that only one in ten UK workers are classified as 95 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: engaged at work are putting in discretionary effort on the 96 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: task that they're asked to do. 97 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: I mean that already the definition I have issues with. 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: You know, you're paid to do a task going above 99 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: and beyond is not what you're paid for. 100 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Okay, that's one definition. On the other hand, it's a 101 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: huge blow to the economy because it's really costing the 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: economy two hundred and fifty seven billion pounds. That's the 103 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: figure that's been come up with our colleague Aarena, and 104 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: Gel has been writing about this. It's the potential output 105 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: miss for the UK is basically about quiet quitters and 106 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: also I think overall, when you look at how engaged 107 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: people are at work, it always makes me slightly scared 108 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: because so few people are. Even across Europe, it's only 109 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: just above twenty percent of people who are like fully 110 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: engaged in their work, which I think is a real shame. 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: So that is still half of that level in the UK. 112 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: Normally we talk about productivity being about how much machine 113 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: equipment and IT equipment the company buys, not usually about individuals. 114 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was interested to see in this research when 115 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: Gallup spoke to people who didn't feel motivated at work, 116 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: a lot of what they put that down to was 117 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: a lack of clarity about what needs to be accomplished. 118 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: And part of it is also so part of that 119 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: is kind of poor management and things you find in 120 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: an individual job, but part of it's also the big 121 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: macro situation facing the UK. You know, things like Brexit 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: or the pandemic or just general macroeconomic uncertainty leaving people 123 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: feeling un motivated. 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a real issue economically overall and for workers. 125 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: Have a read of that story on the Bloomberg terminal 126 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: this morning from Irena and Gel really nice, peace, Let's. 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: Bring you more now in the Federal Reserved and yesterday, 128 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: policymakers dialing back expectations for interest rate cuts this year 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: to just one versus the three that they previously indicated. 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: Our managing editor for FXS and Rates, Rachel Avans, is 131 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: with us from Moorrow morning. Rachel, can you talk us 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: through first of all us was what we learned about 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: the Fed's expectations for the rate path ahead, how much 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: divergences there are among policymakers. 135 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think that was kind of something that 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 7: we were really focused on heading into this decision, was 137 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 7: where the Fed was going to come down in terms 138 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 7: of its dots, and we finally have an answer. They 139 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 7: did indeed scale back their expectations for cuts this year. 140 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 7: We were coming into the meeting with three cuts projected 141 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 7: by the Fed. We're then now projecting one cut. But 142 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 7: what was interesting to me was some of the discussion 143 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 7: afterwards in the press conference around how much the CPI 144 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 7: print really influenced policymakers in actually casting their votes for 145 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 7: the different cuts. You know, he basically indicated that while 146 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 7: some did sort of factor that into their consideration, most didn't. 147 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 7: And I think that's kind of why you saw sort 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 7: of the market reaction that we had yesterday, with very 149 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 7: much that the CPI print from the morning actually kind 150 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 7: of carrying through to the afternoon and being far more 151 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 7: of a sort of presence for the market than the 152 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 7: FED meeting ended up being. 153 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, which we were discussing yesterday, weren't we That was 154 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: the big sort of question mark in terms of the 155 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: expectation then for the inflation path that is also very interesting. 156 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the CPI number coming in kind of cool 157 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: than expected, but what do we see going forward? How 158 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: much of a blip is it? 159 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that the FED has kind of been 160 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 7: sticking with this mantra of the fact that inflation is 161 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 7: coming down, and they've been, you know, not all shy 162 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 7: and expressing in past meetings that they've been frustrated at 163 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 7: that pace. You know, it really has been incredibly glacial. 164 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 7: But yesterday, I think was kind of an example of 165 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 7: where they want to see things heading. It's not necessarily 166 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 7: where they want to end up, obviously, and I think 167 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 7: that's why they were a little bit coy about the 168 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 7: exact timing of their first cuts. You know, Powell kind 169 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 7: of really did leave on the table at the press 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 7: conference the fact that you might see two cuts this 171 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 7: year rather than just the one kind of projected by 172 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 7: the dots. But there's no doubt about it. You know, 173 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 7: we did see kind of core inflation coming down more 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 7: than expected, and that was enough to kind of send 175 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 7: the market into a bit of a tizzy really, and 176 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 7: we saw a big rally off the back of that. 177 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 178 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: So as you say, the main number could er then 179 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: expected for the second straight month. What are the expectations 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: though from the FAD about where the interest or they 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: excuse me, the inflation path goes from here now, because 182 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: they had I suppose upgraded or you know, raised that 183 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: in the projections too. 184 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 6: Yeah. 185 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the market reaction I think very interesting in 186 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: terms of the bond market reaction, but also the reaction 187 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: from the dollar. 188 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 189 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 7: I was really watching the dollar because I think you 190 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 7: had kind of this sort of slight division really between 191 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 7: kind of like the path of treasuries and the dollar. 192 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 7: The dollar wants to see kind of like rates staying 193 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 7: higher for longer. The treasury market wants to see cuts 194 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 7: coming immediately. And you saw kind of an interesting reaction 195 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 7: as a result. Yesterday. The dollar did slip, but not 196 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 7: so significantly. It was around about point two percent yesterday 197 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 7: and it's up again today. So I think everyone kind 198 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 7: of got a little bit of what they were looking 199 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 7: for in the two different events. You know, the treasuries 200 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 7: traders were looking to the Fed saying, yeah, cuts are coming, 201 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 7: you know, don't worry, and looking to the inflation and thinking, well, 202 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 7: they can cut even more than they're saying. And the 203 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 7: dollar was really listening a little bit more to the 204 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 7: Fed and thinking, actually, maybe they won't even go till December. 205 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 7: We've got time to keep piling in. 206 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Rachel Evans, thank you very much for joining us. 207 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm managing editor for FX and Rates, Rachel Evans. They're 208 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: looking at the market reaction to yesterday's Federal Reserve decision, 209 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: as they've now sigling that just one interest rate cut 210 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: this year. Just looking at market pricing this morning for 211 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: the Fed as well. We're looking at about forty three 212 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: basis points priced in for this year, so not quite 213 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: at fully two cuts, but certainly leaning in that direction. 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right. Let's turn from economics to politics. In 215 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: the UK, the Labor Party is launching its manifesto today, 216 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: with key measures on taxation likely to be in focus, 217 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: after leader Keir Starmer promised to put economic growth and 218 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: wealth creation at the heart of his party's plans. Are 219 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: UK Politics, reported, James Walcock joins us now for more. 220 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: Blueberg has learned more about what might be in today's 221 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: party manifesto. What exactly do we know, James. 222 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 8: Well, so we're told that there may be some reference 223 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 8: to fixing what some including Dan Needle from Tax by AUTHOSIATEPS, 224 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 8: have called the carry interest loophole. Now they use the 225 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 8: word loophole. That's not always agreed, but the point being 226 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 8: is if you are work in private equity, you can 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 8: effectively take your stake of the profits of what you 228 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 8: make and use that as your income, claiming it as capital, 229 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 8: which is taxed at twenty eight percent as opposed to income, 230 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 8: which obviously if paid at that level, you'd be taking 231 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 8: it a forty seven percent marshal income tax. And so 232 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 8: it's something that Rachel reads back in twenty twenty one, 233 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 8: and said she wanted to look at and given what 234 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 8: we know about the Labor Party positions on tax that 235 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 8: we're likely to see as manifesto no national insurance raises, 236 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 8: no income raises, they're expected to say that, as well 237 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 8: as no corporation tax raises and VAT rises. They're a 238 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 8: big question about how they would raise this stuff. They 239 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 8: refused to rule out in the past capital gains tax changes, 240 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 8: So the detail of quite what could come Caroline could 241 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 8: be built into capital gains tax changes, or it could 242 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 8: be specifically for this carry interest loophole. But it's something 243 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 8: that look, Labor have made a big pitch to win 244 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 8: over business and to win over finance, and although private 245 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 8: equity is a subset of finance, it's something that I 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 8: think some private equity traders might wake up to read 247 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 8: Bloomberg this morning and be a bit surprised. 248 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: By Okay, so we have I think a fair picture 249 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: there about what the tax changes could possibly be in 250 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: the Labor and manifesto. James, what else should we be 251 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: watching out for when this announcement is made. 252 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 8: It will be interesting to see if there are any 253 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 8: surprises because the Labor team have been quite clear that 254 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 8: we shouldn't expect any They don't want to scare anyone. 255 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 8: They are twenty points up in the polls and they 256 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 8: would quite like it if it stayed that way, and 257 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 8: so a lot of it we already know. They want 258 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 8: to say growth is their number one priority. They want 259 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 8: to set out their retail offering, economic stability NHS waiting 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 8: lists a border security command, antisocial crackdown, and six tentousand 261 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 8: and five hundred teachers. For the business side, they want 262 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 8: to talk about a National Wealth Fund GB energy, a 263 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 8: TENI industal strategy. And then on the more controversial side, 264 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 8: the stuff that doesn't mentioned as much with people at 265 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 8: Bloomberg care about. We have workers' rights reform, issues around 266 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 8: housing planning reform at one point five million houses potentially, 267 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 8: and looking at relationalizing rail. That's all already announced and 268 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 8: anyone who reads the financial press probably already knows about it, 269 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 8: and so that will all be in there and we 270 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 8: will be hoping for more detail. But I think the 271 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 8: thing we have to know is that the political momentum 272 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 8: from this campaign has been that the Labor Party are 273 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 8: twenty points up in most polls, is certainly in Bloomberg's 274 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 8: composite in dex the polls and the momentum that gives 275 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 8: them is to give less on detail and more on 276 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 8: sort of vibes, to put it sort of bluntly, and 277 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 8: so they set out their growth missions in the past. 278 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 8: The question will be is how much they're willing to 279 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 8: put all that in black and white in the ways 280 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 8: that it can be held accountable for a five year 281 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,359 Speaker 8: term if they were to win, I would say yes absolutely. 282 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: There was also, of course some interest yesterday evening because 283 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you had kir Starmer and Rishi Sinac again doing big 284 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: sit down interviews more media. You know that the days 285 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: are ticking by, are getting closer to the actual vote, 286 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: which is interesting. But as you say, the Labor Party 287 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: specifically trying to be very very cautious. Do you think 288 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: that that causes them any problems? 289 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 8: Well, I mean to quote from the Institute of Physical Studies, 290 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 8: they say there is this inevitable trade off coming on 291 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 8: whether the UK government to come either raise his taxes 292 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 8: or cut spending. They say, like the situation the KA 293 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 8: government is in, the only option is to raise get debt. 294 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 8: Liz Trust has shown that's quite a difficult path at 295 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 8: the moment, and so for any future government that is 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 8: a choice and Labor today, if all the reporting and 297 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 8: everything that's been said by Labor sources to me and 298 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 8: many others in the media is true, they're going to 299 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 8: rule out some of their biggest tax leavers that they have, 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 8: which is why there's so much speculation, including our reporting 301 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 8: this morning, about the other leavers what they have left 302 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 8: because as Bloomberg's reporting over this week from Ellen Milligan says, 303 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 8: she was talking to the former Labor leader Neil Kinnock 304 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 8: and he said there needs to be room to maneuver 305 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 8: if they need to bring back investment fix the public sector. 306 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 8: And so it was funny you looked at that debate 307 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 8: last night. You mentioned that Kis Starmer and the conservat 308 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 8: lead Richie Sunak both being grilled by Sky's Beth Rigby. 309 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 8: For Richis Sunak, it was all on the record and 310 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,239 Speaker 8: what he had done in his administration. For Kis Starmer, 311 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 8: so much of the conversation focus on tax, something that 312 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 8: you know, we in the finance world care about a lot, 313 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 8: but for the audience and for the other journeys there, 314 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 8: it was about how do these sums all add up 315 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 8: and what are you going to promise us what is 316 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 8: going to be the pitch today? 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