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Speaker 2: and we have a legend. This probably this dude is

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Speaker 2: one of our biggest fans, one of our loudest supporters.

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Speaker 1: Because we kind of kind of like we kind of similar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we was all off the check very off. One

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Speaker 2: of the real Ojes is always showed love and support.

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Speaker 2: Five time NBA All Star, four time All NBA, thirteen

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Speaker 2: year pro. Welcome to the show, Spencer Heywood, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, sir, Yeah, OJ thank you, thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Retired players of your what do you guys think about

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Speaker 2: just the media and how freely players can not only speak,

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Speaker 2: how freely they can move, the type of money they

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Speaker 2: can get, the ability to come in the NBA at

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Speaker 2: a certain time. What are your guys' thoughts and what

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Speaker 2: are your thoughts in particular on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, my thoughts on it is I am the guy

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Speaker 3: who sued the NBA, the n C two A, and

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Speaker 3: the Denver Rockets of the ABA all the way to

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court so that they could get this ruling

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Speaker 3: so that you guys can make the kind of money

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Speaker 3: so you could come into the league when you were qualified,

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Speaker 3: rather than sitting in a college for four years making

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Speaker 3: university rich.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, I was that.

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Speaker 3: I was Jack's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean obviously amazing, And I really want to kind

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Speaker 2: of dig into that because I thing people know you

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Speaker 2: understand your significance not only in your time your ability

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Speaker 2: to play the game, but what you were doing off

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Speaker 2: the court. You were really one of the first You

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Speaker 2: were really one of the pillars that really helped fight

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Speaker 2: against a system that wasn't ready to see that and

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Speaker 2: you won. Yeah, what kind of shit did you go

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Speaker 2: through though? Outside of that while you.

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Speaker 3: Were doing that?

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Speaker 4: While I was doing it.

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Speaker 3: The first round of the of the case is when

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Speaker 3: I sued the NBA for the rights to play because

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Speaker 3: I had one more year left in college on my

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Speaker 3: eligibility and the NBA said, no, you can't come in

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Speaker 3: until the fourth year. I said, I just finished the

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Speaker 3: ABA where I was the Rookie of the Year, MVP

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Speaker 3: of the league, MVP of the All Star Game, and

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Speaker 3: I averaged thirty and twenty at nineteen. So it was

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Speaker 3: only two players whoever did that in backpro basketball, this

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Speaker 3: myself and Will Chamblain. But Will was a little bit

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Speaker 3: older and I was nineteen turning twenty.

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Speaker 4: So it was this phenom. But back up a second.

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Speaker 3: They were all cool with it when Kareem and other

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Speaker 3: guys backed out of the sixty eight Olympics and they said, well,

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Speaker 3: we got an eighteen year old down here at this

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Speaker 3: junior college that could come in and play in the

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Speaker 3: Olympics and save us in the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: So I went and said, yeah, I'll save you.

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Speaker 3: Set a record that lasted for forty four years in

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Speaker 3: the Olympics. The most point points and most rebounds and

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Speaker 3: the most blocks.

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Speaker 2: The mellow got the point who got the points.

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Speaker 4: Kevin, Yeah he got it.

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Speaker 2: And who got the rebound and blocks still stand.

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Speaker 3: No, I think David Robertson at the rebound. At the

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Speaker 2: A long time. Well, so back up one second. So

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Speaker 2: you said you were Were you playing in the ABA

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. I left college.

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Speaker 3: And that was a big, a big commotion because all

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Speaker 3: and play. And Hannah Storm's father, Mike Storm, who was

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Speaker 3: the public relations person for the ABA, when the university says, well,

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Speaker 3: He got up at the press conference and said, what

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Speaker 3: because he's in dire need. It's called a hardship rule

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Speaker 3: because his mother and his family was still picking cotton

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Speaker 3: up playing in the ABA. I was a test case.

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Speaker 2: So you were the initial you opened the door to

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Speaker 2: that door to that yes, speak at the time, although

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Speaker 2: the actually I don't you want to call the NBA

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Speaker 2: the destination back then, because I don't know. But the

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Speaker 2: ABA was just as good, if not better than the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because we had the young players, we had the

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Speaker 3: and flash yeah. So it was a different kind of game.

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Speaker 3: And then we would open up because we were playing

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Speaker 2: There any truth to you dodging golf balls to get.

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Speaker 4: Well in Mississippi?

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Speaker 2: So break that down because I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 3: Well, what happened. Bel What happened was there was the

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Speaker 3: assassination of John F. Kennedy. And when we wasn't working

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Speaker 3: the golf course as caddies. And so these yahoos said,

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Speaker 3: fun today. So they lined up all of us and

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Speaker 3: And so my younger brother Floyd and his friend Buddy,

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Speaker 3: with it. My friend Buddy didn't. He got clocked in

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Speaker 3: a chance here. I won't have to be in this

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Speaker 3: we had to go with the flow.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: You were also around during the Matill stuff. And how

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Speaker 3: At mattil It was fifty nineteen fifty five, so I

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Speaker 2: Do you remember it vividly?

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Speaker 3: And all down in Mississippi it was like and he

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Speaker 3: had to do that to a child? But I mean,

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Speaker 3: And that's how I got out of Mississippi. I was

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Speaker 3: So you had to go to another city. So we

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Speaker 3: And at that time I thought my brothers was rich

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Speaker 3: with a roll of fools roll you know.

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Speaker 1: But I was a.

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Speaker 3: Fools because I was a kidding, so I thought they

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Speaker 3: So I said, oh, man, I'm hanging out with my brothers. Man,

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Speaker 3: this is some This is money boys here. So money boys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so the money boys said, well, man, you know

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Speaker 3: And they would like just walk around with those green

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Speaker 3: I was going to go to Crane Tech in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: and they were telling me, boy, we're gonna make some

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Speaker 4: I was like, please let me get out.

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Speaker 3: And so finally my brother came over from the for

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Speaker 3: he was going to the Bowling Green State University. He

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Speaker 3: played ball with me and worked with worked with me

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Speaker 3: out on the playground, and said, you got to get

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Speaker 3: out of here. You're a great player, you just got

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Speaker 3: first thing I did was before we left. My brother

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Speaker 3: Andrew had been bullying me for all my life. So

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Speaker 3: I said, I got to get this brother, I gotta

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Speaker 3: get this. So I stole him and then we would

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Speaker 3: we duked it out. Yeah, I beefed on him. So

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Speaker 3: on top of that, he had on his jelly looking

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Speaker 3: I took a rock and hit that paint bamn and

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Speaker 3: that whiskey his leg and I said goodbye.

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Speaker 4: To Detroit.

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Speaker 2: He busted his nose fuses.

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Speaker 1: Drink up word he most drink.

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Speaker 4: That was the case.

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Speaker 3: Drank now messing with that man. This was brown whiskey.

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Speaker 3: This is not like you know. Come on.

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Speaker 1: It was the first draw crown water still in the

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Speaker 1: purple bag.

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Speaker 4: That was before the purple bag.

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Speaker 1: I think it was gold.

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Speaker 3: It was gold.

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Speaker 1: The first bag was gold. They went to purple.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think they had gold bags.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, the first crown.

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Speaker 3: But he got it off the shelf. He was probably

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Speaker 3: had some make believe crime. Yeah. It was like everything

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Speaker 3: then my brother came in and he took me down

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Speaker 3: to Bowling Green State University, and I was just playing

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Speaker 2: Like I mean when they when when they raised their

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Speaker 3: had all of us on the Olympic team, and let

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00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: us look walk them through their Man, that hurt me

440
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: so bad.

441
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 4: Because they did.

442
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: They had They kept us all organized at the Olympics,

443
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: they kept us strong, they kept us in faith. They

444
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: were the leaders. And then to walk them through us

445
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: and then get out of here, get out of here.

446
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: Kicked them out of the Olympics, the village and they

447
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: had to go back home where people were like throwing things.

448
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you not understanding the magnitude at the.

449
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: Time, we no, I didn't care, and so.

450
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Man, and then all of a sudden we had to

451
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: play the final game. And with all of that stuff

452
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: going on, I'm just choking because I'm the star. They said, oh,

453
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: were close to winning. Howard Cosell, what do you think, fella,

454
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to go back to Detroit? Black

455
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: folks going to kill you. So you could see me playing,

456
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: I make a layup and run straight into the locker room,

457
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: threw up all over the place.

458
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: Come right back.

459
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: I run back on the floor and we won their

460
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: gold and they announced that I was the MVP. And

461
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: I was standing there, you know, like three years ago,

462
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm in the cotton field, not even having life itself,

463
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: and now I'm an American hero with the gold medal.

464
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: I just broke down and start crying. My legs got

465
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 3: weak and I was falling down and Jojo, standing like

466
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: a man, woke you up.

467
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 4: He pulled me up and stand.

468
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: Like a man. Bill hoskinting them guys stand up now,

469
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: this is your time. So I was like wow. So

470
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: that was beautiful. And then the big deal. Howard Cosette

471
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 3: was like, what are you gonna do when you go

472
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: back to Detroit? They hate you for what you've done.

473
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: I was like, how could they hate me? So we're

474
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: thinking Will Robinson I was there. We're flying into Detroit.

475
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: We're thinking, man, these brothers are gonna kill us.

476
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: Man.

477
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: So we flew into Detroit. We landed, it was like

478
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: four thousand black and white were there celebrating, celebrating us man,

479
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, that's beautiful. America is America

480
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: is something else man too?

481
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: How nice was how nice was Pete?

482
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: Oh God? Pete was magic Johnson, Nate Archibald, he was

483
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: that combination. He he was, he was something special.

484
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: How tall was he? Sixty three six.

485
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: Three sixty four? But his handle was like, uh, look

486
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: did you play with he had? He had some Pete

487
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: in him too.

488
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: White Jay Will j Will Yeah, white yeah, white chocolate.

489
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: Chocolate had some Pete in him. And I always told

490
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: him when we was in Mexico City, they were celebrating

491
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: my fifty return and I was like, you.

492
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Got yeah, yeah, yeah.

493
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: Pete and I played together when I was with the

494
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: New Orleans Jazz with Elgin Baylor the coach. Oh wow yeah.

495
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 3: And then they moved us to to Utah and I

496
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: was like, oh culture shock hated it, but I didn't

497
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 3: got it. I didn't go because I was married to

498
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: Emon at the time, and she was like, I can't go.

499
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: I've been to New Orleans. I can't go to you.

500
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: I need to work, I need to do things.

501
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: But hold on, you're just casually saying you're married to

502
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: one of the biggest supermodels of all time. Let's talk

503
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: about that, Spence. Yes, because John was telling us some

504
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: ship before you came in here, like how did you

505
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: bag E? Mon? Man.

506
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: She saw me, she said, Oh, I want him so bad.

507
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: No she didn't.

508
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: I'm about to believe it.

509
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, he's stupid, bro.

510
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: So we were in New York and I was with

511
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: the next she had just came over from East Africa,

512
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: from Somali.

513
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: How do you don't mind me asking him?

514
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: What am I with? Jack? Yeah? No, I'm seventy six.

515
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: So we were having dinner and it was like the

516
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: sports meets the fashion industry, and so at that time

517
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: I was reading the Koran and I was and she

518
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: was from a Muslim country, and so we started talking

519
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: about the profit and different things and just talking. And

520
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: then everybody at the table said, oh boy, them two together.

521
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: And so that's how we hooked up to start hanging,

522
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: and and the next thing you know, we were we

523
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: spent all of our time because I had just got

524
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: to the Knicks from Seattle, from the Sonics, so I

525
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: didn't know anybody but Earl and Clyde and Phil Jackson,

526
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: you know those guys. But Pheel and want to hang

527
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: because he was smoking a lot.

528
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: We officially took your shot.

529
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Huh did you take you become yes?

530
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes?

531
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: To greet each other. It's only right that we greet each.

532
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 3: Other, right, yes, sir. So then we hung out and

533
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: we just started hanging with each other, just spending time.

534
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: And my other good friend in that group was BJ

535
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: Beverly Johnson. Yeah girls, so them girls, no, no, no,

536
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: So what happened was I didn't know because I had

537
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: to switch over to the fashion industry because I didn't

538
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: New York was like scattered, players didn't get together like that.

539
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: So I just hung out with the fashion world bad

540
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: as women.

541
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm saying, I don't need I

542
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: don't need nobody.

543
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: We're listening to jazz, doing everything, enjoying our life.

544
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: What is that kind of Obviously media isn't what it

545
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: is today, but I mean, you're hanging with two of

546
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: the biggest supermodels in the world. You're one of the

547
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: biggest basketball players in the world. What's the attention like

548
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: around you? Is it cameras, is it talk? What is

549
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: it like?

550
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty aggressive because the fact that.

551
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was mister Nick.

552
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: That's a huge crossover, and then she was the world

553
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: famous model just came here from Somalia, so it was

554
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: really something.

555
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: And we got on Good Morning America.

556
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: And we was talking about our marriage, and we were

557
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: just emone had just we had just I had just

558
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: got a notice from the NBA because I did a photo.

559
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: With Eman.

560
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: I was just holding my hand over her breast and

561
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: her stomach was out with my baby inside. So the

562
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: league was like, now, wait a minute, we're not that progressive.

563
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: Don't let us don't let us catch you doing that

564
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: kind of stuff anymore. So I got my cue. It

565
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: wasn't nothing exotic, but it was exotic. It was shot

566
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: by Michael ryan Hard, a very famous photographer. So and

567
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: we got on Good Morning America. So we were just

568
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: talking like, man, we're gonna bring uh, We're gonna bring

569
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: culture to the blacks in America and and we're gonna

570
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: take technology to the Africans in Africa. Somebody there, maybe

571
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: the CIA or someone was like, whoa wait a minute,

572
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: to slow your hands down here, bro, you may be crazy,

573
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: but you ain't no food.

574
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: So we saw to slowed down and then whenever.

575
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 5: Wherever you want, just don't help us get the nigga

576
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: smart watch out.

577
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you do what you want, You do

578
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 3: what you want, but.

579
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: You watch out now.

580
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: So then when I when I got traded, uh, before

581
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: I I got traded. When I was wouldn't report to Utah.

582
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: So we got to l A and I was like,

583
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm with my boy because he was

584
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: with me when I took my sho how to Kareem

585
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: art Hazard. All these people were here, you know U

586
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: c l A people.

587
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I slipped.

588
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: Into another group and Emon was just constantly begging me,

589
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: please don't go with these people. And I was like, man,

590
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm prior, and what the fucking.

591
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was having coke, came with some other stuff.

592
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: He came with some other stuff.

593
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: So I slipped. Man, I slipped badly. And uh, while

594
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: playing with the Lakers, I'll tell you how stupid it was.

595
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: I would come to practice and we're watching the films

596
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: and Magic would look at me and say, what, man,

597
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: you got to get your hands together. You're losing your hands. Man.

598
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: They knew what was going on, but I was like,

599
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: I was in denial of about the cocuson, about freebas

600
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: and so I had answers for everything. I had some

601
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: fucking as. At this point, I was twenty eight, twenty nine,

602
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: right in your prime, yeah, prime.

603
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Shit.

604
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: I came to averaging twenty four points and twelve rebounds.

605
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 5: A lot of people were saying to me because drugs

606
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: was big, not just what you was doing, but drugs

607
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 5: was big and leaked here.

608
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: Oh it's everybody was on.

609
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: It had white because it's like a fraternity, you know,

610
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: had just wiped through us.

611
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: Man.

612
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 3: I came in there with, like I said, twenty four

613
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 3: and twelve. By mid season, I was down to seventeen

614
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: and seven. By the end of the season, I was

615
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: at seven and five, twenty pounds lighter basically. And so

616
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: we would have film session and Magic is like, what

617
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: we need your baby, We need you. And I was like,

618
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: I got you, brother, I got you. And he said

619
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: like look at this film here. You see I dropped

620
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: that pass on you like this it's missing your hand,

621
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: like you drop it. I was like, hold it, it's

622
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: not me, it's you Magic. You see that look running back,

623
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: running back, running back, pat pat riding running back.

624
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: See all that spending he's got on that ball.

625
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

626
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in denial. I mean you know, so I'm like, okay,

627
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: so Korean step up, okay now would now it's enough

628
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: of this ship. I said, Okay, what's going on, big fella?

629
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: Brother?

630
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Man?

631
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: What we're doing what we're doing.

632
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: Cap.

633
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 3: So Cap says, you have fallen off so far in

634
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 3: the rebounds. We can't make it without you getting the rebounds.

635
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: I said, Cap, let's look at the tape again. So

636
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: Camp looks at the tape and I said, to see

637
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: your skyhook is coming off.

638
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 4: Way.

639
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to the side. Well, I normally on this side.

640
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: So they were like just sitting there like, oh God,

641
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: this would.

642
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: Hopeless, this is not this is not my guy.

643
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: I was in deep man, and so one day I

644
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: was on my way to practice. I had had a

645
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 3: real crazy night. We were in the playoffs for the finals.

646
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: I had I gotta have one more shot. I gotta

647
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: have one more hit.

648
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: So I.

649
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: Stayed up and just you know, I was piping man

650
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: ship free base Man. What I want to snort for

651
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: when I got free base right to the money. So

652
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm driving along, I get up on the I get

653
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: up to the thing and I'm like, I mean, all

654
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I all asleep and I'm hearing cars banging,

655
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: people banging on my door. I'm like, hey, what the

656
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: are y'all doing?

657
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: Hitting my rolls roars like this.

658
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: So I go to practice. Yeah, So then I run

659
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: to practice and I decided, well, I think I can

660
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: run it out of me before this practice start.

661
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: I ran.

662
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: I ran around the tractors, running and all of us.

663
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: So I then I get to the practice and I'm

664
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: so freaking tired and so fucked up?

665
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 4: Did I fall asleep? Here's Jamal, Get up, Get up,

666
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: Get up, get up.

667
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, where I am?

668
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: I ship We're in the finals, but you're in fairy

669
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: tale land.

670
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm really good.

671
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: So that's when the team decided, well it's best that

672
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 3: you stay home for a while. And I'm like, but

673
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: we only got two more games, three more games. And

674
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: that was my my journey with that, and so from that,

675
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: From that, Emon was like, well, I know what you

676
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: can do. You know they told me, you know you

677
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: need to get out out of wet places and wet faces.

678
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I'll go back to New York

679
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: with the Knicks and I'll go back to Utah. I

680
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: can be clean in Utah. And everybody had put the

681
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: word out and David Stern had said, man, I need

682
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: you to take the fall for this leg. Really, So

683
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: I went to I went to Italy, and then I

684
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: came back to Washington and had a grand season, was

685
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: killing them, and then Eman was in an automobile accident.

686
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: I had been away from my family and stuff so

687
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: long that I just said I got a call the

688
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: quits because I had her sister, her brother, and Nadia

689
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: was with us all the time. So you know, you

690
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: bring an African family with you got a family out

691
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: your family. So I left the game and then in

692
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: mine over there just bugging me still about going to

693
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: see a psychologist or a.

694
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: Psychologist, and I was like that shit is for models.

695
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: So I went in.

696
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: I went in and started going to see one, and

697
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: then I loved it. I mean, I was able to

698
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: He was talking to me about PTSD, about what I

699
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: went through with the trial and all of that stuff.

700
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, Ship, this is pretty cool.

701
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: So from that, I've now been in forty two years.

702
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: Graduations and how long did it take you to kick

703
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: the habit all in from when you started to when

704
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: you look.

705
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: Three years?

706
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: Three years?

707
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and kind of lost side of everything.

708
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I just I mean, once I got back

709
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: and once she healed up, I and my sponsor was saying,

710
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, you can't live in wet places, and wet faces,

711
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: So I had.

712
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: To step away because we're still dirty at that time

713
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: to fall, the league was still.

714
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 4: Dirty, dirty.

715
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: So I said, well, let me just move to Detroit.

716
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: And Iman was cool enough to say, we had a daughter.

717
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: You take the daughter while I finished my modeling, and

718
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 3: then we'll work joint custody and custody back and forth.

719
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: We didn't have to go through no lawyers or nothing.

720
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: We just know what we had to do.

721
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: So so you retired early thirty two, thirty.

722
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: Three, thirty two, and at my peak, I'm ready, But

723
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 3: it was more important for you than that family. Yeah,

724
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: because I mean, and then even they don't even know

725
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: the language here, so I had to take.

726
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 4: Care of that.

727
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: As you guys. A relationship today today perfect amazing.

728
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: It's not perfect, but it's all cool because we talk

729
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: a lot.

730
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Nothing perfect.

731
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: No, we talk a lot and some of our daughters,

732
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: my oldest daughter.

733
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: And two daughters with her.

734
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: I have one daughter, one daughter, Zoe Laker, and I

735
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: have a granddaughter and my other daughters. I have four daughters, girls,

736
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: all girl. I got six, okay, so you know what

737
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. So they're like always like, why y'all,

738
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 3: why are y'all talking when we was at the Knicks

739
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: games this year for the playoffs, Walt Trasi and Earl

740
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: and all, I'm like, what, y'all, what you're gonna do?

741
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: What?

742
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, Man, I can't bring that to this game,

743
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: y'all would blow us up. So it's we're fun. Were

744
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: having fun with each other because she lost her husband,

745
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: David boy. I lost my wife three years ago, Linda.

746
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: And so my daughter that used to go with me

747
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: to see my psychiatrists, she's a psychologist Shakira. Wow. Yeah,

748
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: that's her brand. She's doing real well. My other daughter

749
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: Isis y'all probably know Isis. She's over at Adidas doing

750
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: real well up in Portland. Uh. My next daughter is

751
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: a professor at Lincoln University and zue Lak and my

752
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: oldest daughter she works with her mother, Ima Inc. And

753
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: all of that stuff. So life is pretty good with me.

754
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: And I've been I've been cleaning sober, you know, for

755
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: the forty two years. And of course, I you know,

756
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't be fitted to say that that

757
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: clean and sober, but I do. No, of course, I'm

758
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: just saying no.

759
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: We knew that already, Like you knew that already.

760
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: That's that's a different level.

761
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: Okay, then I'm just saying what was.

762
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: Like breathing, especially campus these days, everybody needed My mom

763
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 5: was was punish.

764
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Me all kind of student in high school. Now she

765
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: called me, where's that did you? So I get I

766
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: get it.

767
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: But what Matt and I was talking about for the

768
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: retired players, we have like over three thousand players, and

769
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: we was like just talking about, you know, things, creams for.

770
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: Your knees and all of these ready.

771
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: But everybody was like, soul you you were Madden Jack

772
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: and you guys, I'm.

773
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: Like ahead of the curve. You was just ahead of

774
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: the curve.

775
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know how accurate was Winning time?

776
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: Winning Time was very accurate with me.

777
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 2: Wood Harris, he's one of my favorite actors, by.

778
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: The way, that's my guy.

779
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: And you, yeah, cooked me up real nice.

780
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: Because I was.

781
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: Nervous that, I mean, what is he gonna do it?

782
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: They're gonna have me, uh, you know, just way off

783
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: the rockers. So when I talked to Wood after you

784
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: had spoken with him, and then I said, go for it, brother,

785
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: don't play around with this. And I talk with Rodney Burns,

786
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: who's the writer, and I was like, you know, let

787
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: it go. We need to tell young player is we

788
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: need to show them that the life is wasn't It's

789
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: not that playover thing, you know. It's a lot. It's

790
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: a lot involved here, and so how you can fall,

791
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 3: how you can pick yourself up, how you can move on.

792
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: And so that's what they did with me. And now

793
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: I have a deal with Lionsgate to do the whole

794
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: Spencer story.

795
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

796
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now I'm just circling back because I'm

797
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: thinking we got Mario van Peeples doing the directory and

798
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: we got Common.

799
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 5: Really, you know, it's just seen him yesterday, Yes, my

800
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 5: god at the risk yesterday.

801
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 3: That's my godson. Can I tell you all the story

802
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: about how you almost became Maclamore?

803
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: M hm, you know, the rapper from the Settle.

804
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: And so his father played with me in Denver.

805
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: Common's father comments from.

806
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: He played with me in the ab and his mother

807
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: was and so she she was still and but she

808
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: was like taking care of and I was this young

809
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: player that was in the league and everybody was taking

810
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: a shot at me, you know. So Lonney was my

811
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: guy that like they if they touch you, I'm gonna

812
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm boring. He's from Chicago disable High School. So it's

813
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: like you know, six for they chisel. Yeah. So uh,

814
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: they took care of me and made sure that everything

815
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: was right. And then when girls would coming around and

816
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: were like, get away, get away, he's got a career.

817
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: That's Common's mother. So we were all type this family.

818
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: And so when he was born, they asked me to

819
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: be his godfather. And so I get to that. I

820
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: get to Seattle after I won my case, and I'm like,

821
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, having an all Pro season, I was finished

822
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: third behind Kareem and West. Uh behind Kareem and Nate

823
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: Archibald for m VP, and so I said, man, that

824
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: would be nice if I could get my boy here

825
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: in Seattle. So I spoke to Russ Bill Russell, he

826
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: was our coach. I said, Russ, can we give him

827
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: a tryout? And he said, yeah, get him out here.

828
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: So I didn't know what shape Loney was in. I

829
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: didn't know he was using anything. So I just said, hey, man,

830
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: come on out, and we're gonna give you a shot,

831
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: a real good shot, and you know I'm gonna I'm

832
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: gonna protect you to a degree. Solenney grabbed up his

833
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 3: family illegally, who had come and he was two years old.

834
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: So they coming to Seattle, and so he had basically

835
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: kidnapped him. So they was coming to Seattle, so they

836
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: had to get Loney and arrest him for a minute,

837
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: and they went back to Chicago. And so Common is

838
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: always talking this ship nowadays. You know, if that had,

839
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: if I hadn't, if that ship had worked out in Seattle,

840
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: I would have in the black Blamore and the other

841
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: guy was the name I like them, butts lot, So

842
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: Common would have been so mix a lot of black Macklamore.

843
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 5: Can't you tell the story about the time you declined

844
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 5: equity with Nike? Oh boy, oh boy, break that down.

845
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: We talked to Magic and he turned down a similar deal.

846
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 3: I know, but his wasn't his. He had a little

847
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: bit of time. I was in nineteen seventy two and

848
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: seventy three. Nike came out with the shoe and I said, yeah,

849
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: I would wear it. Because Phil Knight, we were all

850
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: up in Portland and Seattle, so that was a whole

851
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: another area for you know, just business and everything else.

852
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: So you were just like it's like hippies and shit.

853
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: So so he came and said, would you wear my shoe?

854
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, of course I wear we Northwest boys

855
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: were down and so and he said, okay, I'm gonna

856
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: give you some stock in this company. First of all,

857
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: I was young too, and I'm thinking livestock. Yeah, what

858
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: are you talking about stock? So I get the stock,

859
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: and my boy, did I let do the negotiation. He

860
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: was like struggling, you know, having bills taking care of

861
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: So he was like convincing me, man, that shoe is

862
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: never going to work because look at what happened. Because

863
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 3: when I was walking running down the floor, guys would

864
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: come behind me and pop my shoe off.

865
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: Like a step on your heel and step on our heel.

866
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: That night, it didn't have the it was new running shoe.

867
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah from front free Fontaine.

868
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.

869
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: That's kind of.

870
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: That's so they popping off.

871
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, well maybe, So I said, okay, man,

872
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: I give you the power of attorney.

873
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 4: Let me just go play. I gotta, I gotta.

874
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: I got to really focus on this game now because

875
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: this is my chance. And when I came back here

876
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: sold like sh I said, man, I got the cash

877
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: right here.

878
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: I much hundred thousand.

879
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: So any idea what that could have been today? Ten

880
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: percent it was.

881
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: Up around two point seven, big.

882
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: Years ago. You're still friends with him, yes, because we

883
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 4: all was making we.

884
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: Were young man.

885
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 4: The league was young gym shoes.

886
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 3: We only had two shoes. We had like the two

887
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: shoes were Converse. I didn't like the Converse because it's

888
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: just so flat, and Wilt Chamberlain wore them and he

889
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: blocked me three times in one game, and so I

890
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 3: was like, fuck them, never wear their fucking shoes and uh,

891
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: and then we had what else? The other one was

892
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: pro kids, a hard bottom shoe, and then you had

893
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: Wald Fraser's shoe. But nobody wanted to compete with walk

894
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: so interesting, So that was my Nike.

895
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: Were you negotiating with phild Night directly?

896
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

897
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy. Well he was at that time. He

898
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: didn't have the shop, you know. Yeah, just he had

899
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: to handle him out of out of his talking and

900
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: it's like that way. So I did do the big

901
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: commercial for them. Ah, it's the original poster for Nike

902
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: because they had no other players and it's me standing,

903
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: you can only get this shoe at this location. So

904
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: I have that post. So I do talk to Phil.

905
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 3: Phil was came to me when I was inducted into

906
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame.

907
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 4: Oh my guys, can't yeah.

908
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: Any relationship or m J stories, Michael George stories.

909
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike.

910
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm in New York and I'm trying to figure out man,

911
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm negotiating because we were like part of the players

912
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: Union too, and they were doing this uh negotiation. So

913
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: I get this call from Mike. I'm like, what the

914
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 3: are you calling me for? You corporate and I'm the grunt.

915
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: So Mike said, close down, Let's have some dinner, man.

916
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: So we you know, we had a nice dinner. We

917
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 3: talked a lot of shit and he kept telling me.

918
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: He kept telling all the other owners and everything that

919
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: was there. This was the first Nike guy. I wouldn't

920
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: have had my contract if he had threw his away.

921
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, Mike, you can't do it like that.

922
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: But Mike was so cool.

923
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 4: He was just showing some love.

924
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: How does it? I mean again, I don't think, and

925
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: I could be right. I don't think you got the

926
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: love and respect you deserved for everything you did from

927
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: on and off the court. But when you get it

928
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 2: back from your peers or some legends in the game,

929
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: does that kind of help a little bit?

930
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: It helps a lot this today. You know, I've waited

931
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: for yes because y'all my boy. Yeah, So I mean,

932
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, uh.

933
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: But you know, when you take a stand like that,

934
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali, Kurt Flood, Jackie Robinson, and myself, there's a

935
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: thing called Mount Rushmore of the people who changed the game.

936
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: And I'll get that shot to you to as well.

937
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: And so so you know when you do that. And

938
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: I went against the universities. Now they're gonna call me

939
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 3: before the Congress again coming up, coming up because of

940
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: the fact that they want to change the nil now

941
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: that black folks are getting a little paid.

942
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: That's Trump.

943
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 3: There you go. You said the word, say it again dump.

944
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: So he wants to change it. So that I'm like,

945
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: you can't do that, man, you got to be better

946
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 3: than this. You're the president.

947
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 5: Anytime they see us getting ahead of anything, it's gonna

948
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 5: try to throw a monkey wrench in it.

949
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're stronger than that, so we'll get through it.

950
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 3: So I'm going to testify, and I'm with the.

951
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: Congression of Black Congress.

952
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: And now I'll talk about the importance of it and

953
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: the importance of this ruling, the importance of my ruling,

954
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: because my ruling alone has helped to create that. These

955
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 3: are not scientific numbers, but they're my nums. Over sixty

956
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: five billion dollars for player salary from nineteen sixty from

957
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one. In nineteen seventy one, when I won

958
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: my case Haywood versus the NBA, we only had fourteen

959
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: teams because we didn't have a pool in which to

960
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: pour it from from young guys coming up. And they

961
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: had told the old heads in the leg that if

962
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: you let him get in here, these young guys like

963
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: Matt and Jack, they're gonna come in and put you

964
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: guys out of business. So they didn't support me. So

965
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: I just look at it all man is. I was

966
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: vegan basically for thirty one years until my wife passed.

967
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: Now I'm eating fishing game, I've been working out. I

968
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: pray a lot. I enjoy life. I have my my

969
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: four daughters I got since I don't having it sons,

970
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: I got three grandsons.

971
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 4: They go for any ship. I tell them, you know

972
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

973
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: They like, yeah, okay, So.

974
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying life.

975
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: You got to ensure good hands in good hands. And

976
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: then I go to the games. I watched the games

977
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: a lot. I watched the young players play, and I'm like, Wow,

978
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 3: these fellatherfuckers can play. They can play quick question.

979
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: We got a little quick hitters up, but real quick.

980
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: We spoke to George Gervin last at the beginning of

981
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: this week and he said, although Magic and Bird are

982
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: credited with saving the NBA, he kind of felt like

983
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: the influx with the A B A coming into the

984
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: NBA is really what's.

985
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: That changed the game because I told you before you know,

986
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: they was in blue and gray suits and brown suits

987
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: and they was going down. I'll tell you what happened.

988
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: My first game in Seattle or the third game in Seattle.

989
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: I ripped the ball off and palmed it and flicked

990
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: it over to Lenny Wilkins.

991
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 4: Lenny Wilkins said.

992
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: Go And I got the ball at the half court

993
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: and I just was dribbled and I said, oh shit,

994
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: I'm behind the free throw line. Maybe I'll take a dunk.

995
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: I took off and like just to show him what

996
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: it was all about, and dump bam. And they were like, he's.

997
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: A hot dog.

998
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: You jumped from the free throw line any game?

999
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And they said he's a hot Dog. So

1000
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: that was the new look of the and I was

1001
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: the first one to come to the NBA from the ABA,

1002
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 3: So that was the whole look. So later on that season,

1003
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: everybody was looking for something exciting to happen, you know.

1004
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: So and that's when Sam Shuman, the owner of the

1005
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: Sonic set, I'm gonna get me some more of them,

1006
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 3: so he went, he got John.

1007
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Let me give you some more of them.

1008
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, black boys.

1009
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, John Brisker, a couple of them.

1010
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: Jim McDaniels, all of us were on the same thing.

1011
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: Really yeah, interesting, crazy, all right, quick hitters. First thing

1012
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: to come to mind, Let us know your top five

1013
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: players of all time?

1014
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: My top five players of all time, I don't know

1015
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: in this order, but I'm just okay. Kareem Michael Jordan, Lebron,

1016
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: James Cottage. I hate to squeeze his magic out. Yeah,

1017
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: I gotta go with my homeboy. Yeah magic.

1018
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: So Kareem Jordan's Bron Magic. And who's the fifth?

1019
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: Because I love him now, Kobe, thank you, because I

1020
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: love him a lot. And he was the guy who

1021
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: who called me and said come to visit with me

1022
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: and sit with me, and he and he said, you know,

1023
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: I think I want to do this movie on you.

1024
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: And the next year he was.

1025
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: He had the ultimate respect for everybody that.

1026
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: Came oh yeah yeah students.

1027
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 5: You see him saying with Bill Russell four yeah yeah yeah.

1028
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: And he respected me for what I did for him

1029
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: in the sense that he said, I wouldn't have been

1030
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: able to come out.

1031
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: Of high school, yes without you, without.

1032
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: You, So I'm gonna show you big respect.

1033
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Most intimidating player that you played against.

1034
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: The Dipper, Big Chamber, yeah, big incredible. Can tell you

1035
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: one little story about when they was winning the sixty

1036
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: two seventy two games in a row.

1037
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 4: I was out there having a ball.

1038
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: I was doing like I had forty and it was

1039
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: like fifteen before the fourth quarter was in it. You know,

1040
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, he sick Bell Bridges on me.

1041
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 3: He said, knock him out. Bill Bridges was this big

1042
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: old dude about six eight, two hundred and seventy five pounds.

1043
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: All I could see is like a cartoon, big old fisher.

1044
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: He knocked me out. Shit, because we ain't messing up

1045
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: this seventy two.

1046
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: We ain't messing up this.

1047
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: You was on your way to dropping fifty and beating

1048
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: the winning streak and they picked you out.

1049
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: Took me out. So your boy from UCLA ward hazard,

1050
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: I'll save it. He jumps over over Bill bridges back

1051
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: and slid into the The floor had these twenty four

1052
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: second clocks on the floor at that time. This big

1053
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,479
Speaker 3: old piece of iron knocked him out. So we both

1054
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: woke up in there. And the next year the league said,

1055
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: we're putting the train. They' putting the clock up on

1056
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: so these players keep running into it.

1057
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: MJ, Kobe Lebron, rank them in your opinion.

1058
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 4: I'm thinking him, J Lebron, I'm taking. I'm taking.

1059
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 3: I gotta go to Lebron, m J and Kobe childhood rush,

1060
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: who's your child? Crush my hand?

1061
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Can I do?

1062
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: What did I do?

1063
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: You want?

1064
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: Knocking yourself down there?

1065
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: The first time we had the funny, funniest teammate. You

1066
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: never had crazy Bro.

1067
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: The funniest teammate is uh Earl Monroe. And Earl Monroe

1068
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: had some good ones. I mean he was just one liners,

1069
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: one liners, and and I would always I would always

1070
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: because because Walt Frazer was like, mister, you know corporate,

1071
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: YA can't be acting. It's stupid and Phil Jackson is like,

1072
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: these guys man messing.

1073
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 4: Up what we're doing.

1074
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: We corporate guys with the knicks, you know.

1075
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 5: So it's like, yeah, if you can see one guest

1076
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 5: on our show, who would it be?

1077
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: But you have to help us get your answer on

1078
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: the show.

1079
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: I think you should do walk Trazer, I mean mortem. Yeah,

1080
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: he's got a documentary that's coming out. We'll be honest,

1081
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: and there's HBO documentary and he is hit.

1082
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: Him up telling him we're ready. I hit real quick

1083
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: before we got here because we got Ralph behind you.

1084
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: Real quick. You guys are talking off camera.

1085
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: You are raped, that's my boy, real quick.

1086
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: Real quick, before we get you out of here. You

1087
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: and Stack were talking about some stuff with the malice

1088
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: in the palace, just real quick. It us the breakdown

1089
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: because it was what were y'all talking about?

1090
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 3: Well, No, I was living in Detroit at the time,

1091
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: and I was you know, Sally and all of us around,

1092
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: and my dad, Will Robinson was This was the scout

1093
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 3: as well as its sistant to the general manager, and

1094
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: they were like, everybody was worried. Man, I'm Indiana Pacers, It's.

1095
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 4: Going to be a problem for us.

1096
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: And so the air was in the it was in

1097
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: the air. We gotta do something because they're pretty arrogant

1098
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: and cocky, So we can start a fight or something

1099
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: with those guys, take them out.

1100
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: This is the old school basketball.

1101
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: That was the plan, and it worked. It worked well.

1102
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: It worked. It worked it because it went into the stands.

1103
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 5: And when energy went to the stands, so they felt like, well,

1104
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 5: it was busting the ass, so like we're gonna started,

1105
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 5: and that's when the beer came.

1106
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: That's when the energy was in the air.

1107
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: It was all in there. You know what I'm talking about.

1108
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: There exactly right. Well, Spence, we appreciate you. If there's

1109
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: any way we can help with the project.

1110
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: When you do the project.

1111
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you want to come back down to say

1112
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: all of us about itself. Yeah, I told you, I

1113
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: told you long, I said, I remember what you remember.

1114
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: You guys got to be on this product.

1115
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, man, thank you for all you did

1116
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 2: on and off the court in your journey. Looking forward

1117
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: to sitting down with you again, man, appreciate your time

1118
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: to wrap.

1119
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: What We've definitely got to talk.

1120
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I talk and again fuck rap.

1121
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

1122
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

1123
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: M hm

1124
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.