1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not joining 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: us today, but he will be returning shortly. They called 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you. You 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: want you to know? Now, Matt, you and I and 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: planning this episode, we I think each individually experienced a 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: series of deja vu moments. Would you agree? Yes, this 13 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: is a topic that fells as though we've done four 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: episodes on it because of how often we've spoken about 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: this and how deep our personal research has gone into 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: this subject and person. Yet we do have some personal 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: skin in the game here on a number of fronts 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: to be completely transparent. Uh, but you know, let's start here. 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: It's true. Governments do cover things up, governments do spin 20 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: alternate narratives, and that you don't have to be uh, 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: A died in the world true believer or a skeptic 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: to accept that as fact, because like gravity, it's real. 23 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: At least governments do attempts right attempt to try to 24 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: cover up some stuff. Uh, and it happens constantly. In 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: today's episode, we are exploring the story of a controversial man, 26 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: a figure who claims he has firsthand knowledge of a 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: cover up so asked, so sophisticated, and so incredible that 28 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: even to speak about it openly may put people in 29 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: physical danger. His name Bob Lazar. Here are the facts, 30 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: and again, this deja vu is going to be hitting 31 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: me the entire time we're talking about this. We're just 32 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: going to scratch the surface. This is kind of an 33 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: introduction to the front door of the rabbit Hole, and 34 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. At the end, Matt, 35 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: riddle me this. Who is Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: this subject of Joe Rogan interview that I think is 37 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: one of the top episodes that's ever come out, along 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: with our friend Jeremy Corbell. So if you know about him, 39 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: it is likely that perhaps you only know about Bob 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: Lazar because of that interview, because of the popularity of 41 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: that show. But Bob Lazar, it's a real person, a 42 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: human being, just like you and me and Ben Okay, 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: So moments are Bobbazar's full name is Robert Scott Lazar. 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: He was born January in nineteen fifty nine, just a 45 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: couple of years older than my parents. Um. He is 46 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: in Florida where he was born. He had some parents, 47 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Phyllis and Albert. He went to junior college at this 48 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: place called the Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles, and 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: according to Bob, like to his own words, he has 50 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: a master's in physics from m I T. Perhaps the 51 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: most prestigious technology focused school on the planet. He also, 52 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: according to his own words, has a master's in electronic 53 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: technology from cal Tech, another rather prestigious university. Yeah. And 54 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: note here, folks, how how we're framing that Matt Matt saying, 55 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: we know he went to Pierce Junior College. Uh and 56 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: we know that he says he has those uh degrees 57 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: from m I T and cal Tech. Here's the thing 58 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: you're going to deal with. Any time you look into 59 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: the case of Bob Lazar, you're gonna find that details 60 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: can get a bit murky. Uh So right now, for now, 61 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: we're going to stick with what can be universally inarguably 62 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: proven matters of acknowledged fact. It is true. It is 63 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: a fact that in Bob Lazar was working for a 64 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: company that was a contractor providing support staff for a 65 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: place called Los Alamos Mason Physics Facility. It's part of 66 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: the Los Alamos National Laboratory. And you know, as you 67 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: can tell from the name, it's located in Los Alamos, 68 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: New Mexico. It's a real place. It is not housed 69 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: in Area fifty one, which we'll get to, but is 70 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: instead in a place called Technical Area fifty three, which 71 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: is also aware of the creepy name. So close to, 72 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: so close, so close. When it was built, it was 73 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: the world's most powerful linear accelerator. So think of CERN 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: something like CERN, but as a straight line rather than 75 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: a loop. And this is a big deal. This is 76 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: a good science. It's legitimate. It opened in June of 77 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: nine two, so when Bob joins up in two, this 78 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: facility is about ten years old. They've been at it 79 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: for a while. It's not their first rodeo. No, it's 80 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: not just quickly, let's just talk about particle accelerators. Because 81 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: at that time, in good God and in the seventies 82 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: and eighties, particle accelerators. That's some of the peak science 83 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: that's occurring, right at least when when you're speaking about 84 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: the science of the very small science of the sub 85 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: atomic and trying to understand what does an adam break 86 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: down into. That's intense, cutting edge stuff. So it shouldn't. 87 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: I mean we don't. I don't know exactly what his 88 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: contract work was through that contractor for that facility doing 89 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: that work, but in order to be working there at 90 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: that facility, you do have to know what you're doing 91 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: if you're actually involved in the science. Yeah, no chumps 92 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: in the squad. As as we say here that that 93 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: applies at an even more extreme level when you get 94 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: to the rarefied air of this sort of science. And 95 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I love the point you're making that because this seems 96 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: like pretty awesome work, right, It's it's also it's it's 97 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: bleeding edge science at this time. And it's also the 98 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of experimentation that doesn't seem fraught with moral quandary. Right, 99 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: we're just learning more about the universe that we're not, 100 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, experimenting on animals or people, which the US 101 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: has done before. Unfortunately, not every thing is trumpets and 102 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: angel farts. For our pal Bob. A few years later 103 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: in you see public records of a bankruptcy filing in 104 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Las Vegas and during that time. Uh. In those descriptions, 105 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Lazar list his occupation as a self employed film processor. 106 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: So at some point he parts ways with Los Alamos uh, 107 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: and then he starts his own business company that is 108 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: around today called United Nuclear Scientific Supplies. United Nuclear Scientific 109 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: Supplies or United Nuclear for short. Is like it's an 110 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: online site. It's a it's a mail order thing. You 111 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: can go to that website right now and you can 112 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: order all kinds of interesting stuff. We are pulling it 113 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: up right now just so you and and everybody listening 114 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: along can take a look. Uh. The first thing you 115 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: see on the website, it's definitely like a more old 116 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: school online store. The first thing you see is a 117 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: list of miscellaneous nuclear items. Uh, Matt, this is where 118 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: we get to play with our proxies and see if 119 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: you and I are in different search bubbles. Oh well, 120 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: it checked my It checked my browser before it allowed 121 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: me in. So that's interesting. The same thing. But you 122 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: and I, You and I's uh maybe not the normal browsers. 123 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: Well I do, hey man, I'm on safari right now, 124 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm on Safari and I'm seeing a 125 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Geiger counter test card a bunch of items that are 126 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: created to be They appear to be radioactive marbles and 127 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: Fiesta wear. But I'm also seeing thorium nitrate on sale, 128 00:08:55,480 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Wait, I'm seeing uranium high purity uranium 129 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: sample for collectors in display. The purity is ninety eight 130 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: and it's only fifty bucks. Yeah, but it's not a 131 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: lot of it. You know why am I trying to 132 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: make it sound more reasonable? Yeah, uranium acetate, uranium dioxide, 133 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: uranium metal, three gram sample, all the hits. You know, 134 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: they've got yellow cake on this sucker, uranium peroxide for 135 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: only fifteen bucks. Yeah, again, it's not a ton of it. 136 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: Though you're not ordering ms. Maybe there's a price break. 137 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you could write and ask if 138 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: there's a price break. But as we'll see, with good reason, 139 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Lazar and the staff of United Nuclear might be a 140 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: little suspicious of someone saying, hey, I saw the yellow cake. 141 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: Can we move weight on this? You know, how how 142 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: much is the whole cake? I'm attempting to purchase twenty 143 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: grams of yellow cake right now? Let's see, uh says 144 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: new customers can create an account. I wonder if you 145 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: have to put in some kind of associated you know, 146 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: university or company information, or you could just as a 147 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: regular old person buy yellow cake. This is scary. I 148 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: don't like this. I'm leaving. Well, you can also buy mugs, 149 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, like it's not you know, it's it's not 150 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: all science get stuff. But yeah, you can buy gallium. 151 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: You can get some cool stuff like liquid metal alloy, 152 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: which is gallium indium in ten. That's neat. You know, 153 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: it looks very t two thousand, but it's not as 154 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: dangerous for you as mercury um, which isn't sane much anyway. 155 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: That part we can prove. Yeah, that part we can prove. 156 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: United Nuclear Scientific Supplies is a real thing. It's around today. 157 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: They send a bunch of scientific equipment, chemical substances to students, 158 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: to instructors, to scientists, of course, and interestingly enough, also 159 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: to law enforcement professionals. I imagine a lot of the 160 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: law enforcement connection or business comes from things like radiation 161 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: detection kits of some sort. There's nothing wrong with this 162 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: at all. By the way, this is all legal, and 163 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the audience today will rightly say, well, 164 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: starting your own business, guys, that's something people call the 165 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: American dream or part of it. Yeah, once you can, 166 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, buy a house from under some headge fund, 167 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: you can start your own company. That's the next step, right. 168 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: But not for nothing do we say Bob Lazar is 169 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: considered pretty controversial. If you've heard of him, odds are 170 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: that you have not heard about You've not heard about 171 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: him as the guy who will sell you shards of uranium. 172 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: We're going to get to the big controversies and the 173 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: reasons you've heard this name in the past, but before 174 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: we do, let's look at some of the smaller controversies. 175 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: So Matt, earlier we talked about how Lazar claims to 176 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: have attended M I T and Cal TAP in a 177 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: couple of different times in the past. He stated this, 178 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: those institutions have no official record of his attendance, and this, 179 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: like already, we're seeing the narratives start to diverge. Because 180 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: if you are a hardcore supporter of Lazar and you 181 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: believe the entirety of his claims, then you won't be 182 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: surprised that people who agree with you say a shadowy 183 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: government force or shadowy institutions some sort has erased his records. 184 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Just to be clear, there are ufologists who do not 185 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: agree with Lazar, and one of them is a guy 186 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: named Stanton free Hman. Stanton Friedman did some digging, did 187 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: some due diligence, and concluded that it was incredibly unlikely 188 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: that someone or some force could have erased the entirety 189 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: of someone's attendance at an institution, at least during this time. 190 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was much easier back during you know, 191 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds or something. Well, especially to get a 192 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: master's degree. Right. There are a lot of people at 193 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: even the most prestigious colleges and universities getting or on 194 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: track to get a bachelor's degree, right, And then there 195 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: are many fewer attempting to get a master's degree, and 196 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: then way many fewer attempting to get a doctorate. Right. 197 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: So it's just if as you whittle those down, it's 198 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: less and less likely that one of those upper echelon 199 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: tiers can be completely expunged. Right. Yeah, again, rarefied Air, 200 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: it's difficult to get there, as any of our fellow 201 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: listeners with a master's degree or pat is well aware. 202 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: Uh So, another thing. Lazarre has described himself as working 203 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: as a physicist during his time at Los Alamos, and 204 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: there are people who dispute that as well. One notable 205 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: person would be Donald R. Prothero. Again, it seems that 206 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: Lazar really did work at this site, but per Prothero, 207 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: his position as a technician for a contractor means that 208 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: he did not directly work for Los Alamos, which means 209 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: that the lab would not reasonably have a record of him. 210 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: And this has led to confusion in the press. If 211 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: you go through any of the any of the usual 212 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: outlets over the past few years, of past few decades, actually, 213 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: you will see some calling him like the Smithsonian will 214 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: call him a self proclaimed physicist, and other other outlets 215 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: will simply refer to him as a physicist. So already 216 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: you know there's some murky, shaky stuff. But the the 217 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: million dollar question, the element one fifteen question here is 218 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: why are we talking about him now? Well it all 219 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: goes back to Jeremy Corbel. Dude, I don't know how 220 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: and why, but Jeremy has found himself right at the 221 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: center of this story. And another guy that we're about 222 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: to bring up, George Knapp, who who was a broadcaster 223 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. He has been for a long time. 224 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: He put out a report in May of nineteen eighty nine. 225 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: It was a satellite link coming out of lv Nevada. 226 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: And boy was this a strange report. Oh yeah, it 227 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: has all the makings of a wonderful modern folklore. A 228 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: physicist self proclaimed for Otherwise halls George Knapp and speaks 229 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: to him using a pseudonym, disguising his true identity, and 230 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: he says that there are nine alien disc Yes, folks, 231 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: alien is an extraterrestrial vehicles, nine alien vehicles held near 232 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: Groom Lake by a small faction of the US government 233 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: that functions autonomously. This caller uses the name Dennis, and 234 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: later the story goes the public discovers that Dennis is 235 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: again just the pseudonym, and Dennis is actually the name 236 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: of Bob Lazar's old boss at the base. A few 237 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: weeks later, Pop Blazar goes on camera and he goes public. 238 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: He uses his real name and as Coast to Coast 239 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: a m puts it. He has been the subject of 240 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: worldwide curiosities, reculation and controversy ever since. Why well, you're 241 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna pause for word from our sponsors and then we'll 242 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: tell you here's where it gets crazy. Then. I can't 243 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: believe bab Lazzar used the dentist system so early ahead 244 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: of his time, for sure. Yeah, the first known case, 245 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: uh describe energize, uh numinate. I'm trying to come up 246 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: with a non Reynolds dentnist system. Yeah, he did use 247 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: the dentist pseudonym. That part is true and clearly the 248 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: inspiration for Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Uh. He also in 249 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: his report is what puts Area fifty one on the 250 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: map of pop culture. I'm keep in mind at this 251 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: time to be absolutely are the US government has not 252 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: officially confirmed anything about Groom Lake or Area fifty one, 253 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: and they will not for several decades. Actually. Uh, this 254 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: interview with George Knapp is the kind of stuff that 255 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: would absolutely galvanize anybody who's a fan of the X Files, 256 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: anybody like Like, if you ever see this on YouTube 257 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: clip or you check out video versions of our show, 258 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: you'll know that Matt Nolan I are huge, huge fans 259 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: of the X Files. In fact, Matt regularly records with 260 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: a kick ass poster of the X Files in every shot. 261 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: Just Scully's eye looking red at you and molders never 262 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: looking away. Yeah. Now we're huge fans, and no, I 263 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: just have to hit that point one more time. They 264 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: already said been Area fifty one wasn't known thing. It 265 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: was known in maybe a few circles or rumors of it, 266 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: but it wasn't talked about like like, this is a 267 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: big deal to have somebody coming forward talking about this 268 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: place that is secret, where there are government experiments and 269 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: allegedly flying saucers, and and part of that is incontrovertibly true. 270 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: There is an Area fifty one. There is a Groom 271 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: Lake right, there are uh classified government projects and they 272 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: definitely were over the years. So he goes a little 273 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: more specific and says he's worked at a top secret 274 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: military base called S four near Papus Lake and that 275 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: his job there is to reverse engineer crashed extraterrestrial vehicles. 276 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: If his claims held up under scrutiny, if they could 277 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: be conclusively proven, this would be an unprecedented did moment 278 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: in history. This would be proof that there is intelligent 279 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: life beyond the confines of Earth or this dimension, or 280 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: however you want to put it. There's really no way 281 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: to articulate how big this news would be, dude. I mean, 282 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about taking apart an extraterrestrial vehicle in order 283 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: to understand how the tech works, so that the United 284 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: States government or some contractor of the government could build 285 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: things that would run on that same technology. If that 286 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: were happening, right, actually happening and successfully, then the US 287 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: military would potentially be unstoppable, which it already you know, 288 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: is the most dangerous advanced military on earth that we 289 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: know of. Uh. This, so this gives a lot of 290 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: questions to people, right, even folks who consider themselves very 291 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: much skeptical, they're hearing this or they're watching this broadcast 292 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: and they're thinking, huh, what is out there? Exactly right, 293 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: I've never been, or even more tantalizing, I have been. 294 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: I saw signs that turned me away, and those signs 295 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: looked serious and matt As you know, even even today 296 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: in the US and arete, the military is not playing around. 297 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: We have a couple of friends contacts, we're not going 298 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: to name them on air, but they have attempted to 299 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: go to Area fifty one and their experience was super 300 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: not good. So yeah, I do have to disagree with 301 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: you minorly been because our military is kind of playing 302 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: around uh in Taiwan today as we're recording this. I 303 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: mean there's some there's some messed up stuff happening on 304 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: today on day August five as we record this. We 305 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: should put that in. Yeah, we should do you know what, 306 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: we should do a future episode on military drills because 307 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: I know it's confusing to a lot of people. Right, Uh, 308 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: where are they just firing missiles to the north east 309 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and south of Taiwan? That's weird? Why are they surrounding 310 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: the area and just shooting stuff? Why is calling something 311 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: to drill the equivalent of going just saying yeah, you know, 312 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: like ad just saying just playing, I'm just playing with it. 313 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: But you're right, you're right, Um, I think we should 314 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: do an episode examining the role of military drills. It's cut, Ben, 315 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the equivalent of it, like a 316 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: dad that gets really angry or something back in the 317 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies and instead of hitting anybody in the house, 318 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: just goes out of starting outside and starts beating up 319 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: the garage door or something and just showing you their force. 320 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: Just Uh. The one I heard was taking a baseball 321 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: bat and just smacking it against a tree. There you go, 322 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: That's exactly it. I do that all the time. So 323 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: what's a good exercise. Uh? So Lazar is now a 324 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: known entity. He's gone public, he shed the pseudonym. He's 325 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: speaking with George Knapp. He reaches an even larger audience 326 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: when he goes on one of I think our favorite 327 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: radio shows growing up, the legendary Coast to Coast AM. 328 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, if you've never checked it out 329 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: is a for many years, it has been the number 330 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: one radio show about things like conspiracies, allegations of the paranormal, 331 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: and so on. Lazar speaks to Art Bell and in 332 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: the interest of full disclosure. Coast to Coast a M 333 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: is part of the larger I Heart network and they 334 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: have some podcasts on the network which Paul Mission Contry 335 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: role and I work on so and I remember hearing 336 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: this interview. Um, Lazar is a hit. His story resonates 337 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: with the audience, and so from the ninety nineties through 338 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's, Bob Lazar becomes a recurring guest 339 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast. He also starts traveling to UFO 340 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: meetups and conventions, where he speaks about his story. In 341 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: the meantime, while all this is happening, George Knapp uh 342 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: the re border who originally interviews Lazar. George Knapp becomes 343 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: a recurring voice on Coast to Coast and then he 344 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: becomes a guest host. He also starts producing and appearing 345 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: in UFO documentaries. So that's the background that has all proven. 346 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Now let's get to you know, let's get to the chicken. 347 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: Let's get to the red meat. What did Bob Lazar 348 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: specifically claim and what does he claim today? We went 349 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: directly to the source to find out. Yeah, that's right. 350 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: So Lazar claims back in the day when he was 351 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: working and doing this stuff, he was flown from Las 352 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Vegas and this place called McCarron Airport about a d 353 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: twenty five miles north to area fifty one where the 354 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: testing facility facilities are where Los Alamos is, and when 355 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: he's there, he says he didn't see one. He says 356 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: he saw nine of these you know, interstellar spacecraft, these 357 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: extra terrestrial craft that were housed in this specific facility 358 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: called S four we mentioned earlier, and he has stated 359 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: that he believes, like Bob Lazar believes this is his 360 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: own belief that for a decade since before he was there, 361 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: So I guess nineteen late nineteen seventies, these craft had 362 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: been sitting in there, and they had been attempted to 363 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: be reverse engineered by multiple people, by scientists, by contractors 364 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: that are flown in to do actually what he's doing now, Yeah, yeah, 365 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: And he he will go on to call these craft 366 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: reticulate spacecraft. And he says there's interesting stuff here. This 367 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: again directly from his website, his own words. We don't 368 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: want to mischaracterize them. He says that he was briefed 369 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: on quote, technical information of alien interactions. There's an interesting 370 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: wrinkle because in the next sentence there's something that confused 371 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: me a little. It says, since only the technical information 372 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: was corroborated to be true during his time in the program, 373 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: he being Bob, could only assume the historic information was 374 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: also true. I'm a little unclear on what that means. 375 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: What is the difference between the technical and historical information. 376 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: Does it mean, for instance, that he received diagrams, blueprints, 377 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: you know, basic scientific explanations, and then also heard stories 378 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: about what had happened before he got there, and then 379 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: therefore took that as fact. That's like the most reasonable 380 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: assumption anyway, Leave that alone. There's juicier stuff. Oh yeah. 381 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Bob claims that he not only was messing around with 382 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: the spacecraft, he's saying that the government was also keeping 383 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: the drivers the pilots of those spacecraft, or at least 384 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: a few of them for a time. Right. He says 385 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: that there were extraterrestrial creatures of some sort aliens that 386 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: were on site, and he refers to them as the kids, 387 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: and he says that's what they were referred to by 388 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: the other people working there. Yeah, which automatically for any 389 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: UFO enthusiasts conjurors, pictures of little great men, right, the 390 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: big eyes almost not their nose, big heads, short stature. 391 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: That's that's at least what most of our minds go to. 392 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: And Perlazar, there was an arrangement between the aliens and 393 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: the humans. The aliens would conduct their own research at 394 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: this site in their own area, and they would do 395 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: so in exchange for hardware, fuel, materials, and training. Yet, 396 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: at some point in the past, Lazar reveals the kids 397 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: and their human hosts beefed up. They had a conflict, 398 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: and this would result in the death of over forty 399 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: human personnel, including the scientists that the aliens were instructing 400 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: the extraterrestrials. The story goes ghosted. They left the scene, 401 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: and they left behind those nine spacecraft, promising they would return, 402 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: like as in like we're coming back to finish the 403 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: job or yeah, we'll see you soon unclear, you know, 404 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: asta Leavista baby. Maybe maybe something like hey, it's not you, 405 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: it's me. Needs some space. You know, we just killed 406 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you. But uh do We're 407 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: coming back, so we'll give you some time, you know, 408 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: think about why you made us do this. See's okay. 409 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. We might unfairly be characterizing this relationship 410 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: as a basent, but that's again that's the story, and 411 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: you can see it on his website. Uh. He also 412 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: goes on and Matt, I think this was fascinating to 413 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: us back in the day. He said that he had 414 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: hands on experience working with these craft, these alien vehicles, 415 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: in particular the propulsion system. This claim is interesting because, uh, 416 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: unrelated to a lot of this. In an earlier interview, 417 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Lazar claims he had invented a water powered car. I 418 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: believe there is no hard evidence of that at this time. 419 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: He also claims when he's talking about his time working 420 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: with this program, he claims that he and other colleagues 421 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: got this huge info dump, this UH crash course in 422 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: the secret history of the world and the Solar System. UH. 423 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: The takeaway from this now, granted, Matt, you and I 424 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: and NOL have not ourselves been subject to these debriefings, 425 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: are party to them, but the takeaway is that for 426 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: the last ten thousand years, again according to Bob, these 427 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials have been externally correcting human evolution, and for the 428 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: last fifteen years, at the time you received this briefing, 429 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: they engaged in a direct technology exchange with the human 430 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: scientists at the S four facility. The technology exchange part 431 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: is pretty interesting because you have to wonder what kind 432 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: of technology could humans have that aliens would be interested in. Seriously, 433 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: a microwave, Let's see what eighty nine or I guess 434 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: sevent nine. Pizza that's it, dude, Pizza casity is certain 435 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: types of sandwich sauce, that's it. That's it. Kept Sayson No, 436 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: because you if if these vehicles can travel to Earth 437 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: through the vast distances, especially from Reticuli, which is a 438 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: binary star system a far far away. If you could 439 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: get here through with those you know, vehicles, or even 440 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: a larger vehicle, much larger vehicle, taking a bunch of 441 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: these tiny ones across that vast distance of space and time. 442 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Then Yet, no technology that we've got on this planet 443 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: is going to be awesome unless you're talking about culture 444 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: as a technology. Music. Maybe we had some, really, I mean, 445 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: we did have some pretty awesome music at that time 446 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: that came out of the sixties. M hmmm, I don't know, 447 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's what it was. It was 448 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: an exchange of incredible technology that became these smartphones that 449 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: we all have right now. Uh, that's what we got, 450 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: and they got led Zeppelin. Oh yeah, no, okay, wait no, 451 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: that's the answer. Yeah, so uh yeah. Also one one 452 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: thing to say, the quiet part out loud. Uh. One 453 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: thing that's not often acknowledged in these conversations is that, yes, 454 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: technology suppression is real. Uh. It's maybe not as insidious 455 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: as it's often characterized, but it is true that there 456 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: is technology well ahead of the curve in various fields 457 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: that the public doesn't have access to yet. Uh. Smartphones 458 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: were around before the public knew they were around, so 459 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: that but that part is true. And that's again it's 460 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily sinister. It's just R and D can take 461 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: a while, you know. Uh. But that doesn't prove what 462 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: Bob Lazar is saying. He also goes on to outline 463 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: and this is folks, this is literally the homepage of 464 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: the website. He goes on to outline the purported mechanics 465 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: of these craft because again he says, he focused on 466 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: working with the propulsion system and he claims the power 467 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: source is element one fifteen. This, this is not the 468 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: same thing as the element one fifteen on the Human 469 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: periodic Table. Our civilization knows element one fifteen as muscovium. Uh. 470 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: This was first created in two thousand three, uh, and 471 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: it was added to the periodic table in So what 472 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: that means is at the time that Bob Aar was 473 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: talking about this as a power source, element fifteen was 474 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: not official on the human periodic Table. I mean, that's 475 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: that's intense, right, it would be. But again, the element 476 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: one fifteen he's talking about is not the element one 477 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: fifteen we're talking about. He's talking about something completely different. Yeah, 478 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's another thing that Bob goes into when 479 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: it comes to the tech things like when at least 480 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: how these aircraft function, the spacecraft, and he talks about 481 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: things like gravity amplifiers as a way to move into 482 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: like make the ships do the kinds of movement that 483 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: has allegedly been observed by like Navy pilots and stuff 484 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: and some of the videos that we've seen in recent years. Um, 485 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: there's what it is, some process to move craft inside 486 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: and outside of Earth's atmosphere. So like if you imagine 487 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: and turing the atmosphere of a planet, like diving into 488 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: an ocean or something, right from the air to the ocean, 489 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: it's like from space into the atmosphere. Um, and you've 490 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: you can hear Bob make these claims. You can see 491 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: it written in several places. So this is I mean, 492 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: that's really what he claimed. Yeah, yeah, the the idea 493 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: of the science behind trans medium propulsion, Yes, exactly. Uh, 494 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: this is a lot to take it, you know. And 495 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: at this point, again to be objective, we have to 496 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: note no other scientists, nor any official governmental or military 497 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: organization has directly corroborated these specific claims, at least not publicly. 498 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: If anyone had, again, this would immediately become the biggest 499 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: story in human history. For several years after he went public, 500 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: Lazarre functioned in a kind of way for liminal space. 501 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: He was a very all known character in ufology circles, 502 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: but you probably wouldn't have known much about him unless 503 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: you were already plugged into that sphere and that community. Right, 504 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: if you are a UFO enthusiasts during this time, someone 505 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: says Bob Lazar, and you immediately have an opinion. If 506 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: you are not someone who looks into the world of 507 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: UFOs and the allegations of that phenomenon, then Bob Lazar 508 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: is just a name to you. But this all changes 509 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: a few years back. There is a renaissance of the 510 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: case of Bob Lazar, and it is I would say 511 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: it is primarily due to uh documentary made by our 512 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: pal and recurring guests on our show, Jeremy Corbell. Oh yes, 513 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: it's you can watch it right now. It's titled Bob 514 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: Lazar Colin Area One and Flying Saucers. It was put 515 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: out and then there are a lot of appearances like 516 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: we like we mentioned at the top of this episode 517 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: on Rogan in other places where Bob and Jeremy talked 518 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: openly about the claims that Bob has made and about 519 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: the process of making this documentary and like Jeremy attempting 520 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: to you know, be as objective as he can while 521 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: also investigating Bob, like investing in Bob and and just 522 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: letting Bob tell the story. Yeah, yeah, and Uh. Jeremy 523 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: Corbell also works closely with George Knapp, who conducted that 524 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: original interview in so this documentary which you can see 525 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: and in multiple online platforms, this documentary introduces a new 526 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: global audience to the case of Bob Lazart and I 527 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: I really like the way you describe you describe it 528 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: in that, but it's it's something you should check out 529 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: yourself and get back to us or get back to 530 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: Jeremy with four feedback. Uh. Leads a lot of people, 531 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: some skeptics, some with their own pre existing ideas about 532 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: U A P or UFOs to weigh in with their 533 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: own interpretations. As you can imagine, many people found this 534 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: documentary for one reason or another controversial, and they didn't 535 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: all agree in what they saw as controversial about this. 536 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: So we leave it to you to let us know 537 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: what you think in that regard. But right now, We're 538 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: going to take a break for a word from our sponsors, 539 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and ask one of the bigger questions, 540 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: what can we prove we returned. Uh, this is a 541 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: little bit of deep water. We're going to be objective here, 542 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: as we always say, as Matt and Nolan I are 543 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: always pointing out, you have to look at the source. 544 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: That's why we're giving you information directly from Bob Lazar's website. 545 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: And we also want to avoid character assassination, unearned smearing 546 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: of character, especially if it's unrelated to the claims we uh, 547 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: we just explored. But there is some stuff that is 548 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: frankly baggage for Lazar. It's not related necessarily to his 549 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: claims regarding extraterrestrials. No, but it what it what it 550 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: does is it's it's it's like stuff that would come 551 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: up on a report about you if you were applying 552 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: for a lease, right or a new loan, Like this 553 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: is stuff that would show up in a in a report. 554 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: So we we do kind of have to I think 555 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: we do have to talk about it. Yeah, I agree, 556 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Man Um. All right, So first things, First, 557 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: institutions that he has said he worked with or studied 558 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: at either can't confirm his specific claim or they have 559 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: no record of him being there. We can we can 560 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: say conclusively he did attend Pierce Junior College, but after that, 561 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: with the cal Tech and the m I T degrees, 562 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: there simply appears to be no record. Second, he was 563 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the law a few times. 564 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: Once in Bob Lazar was arrested for allegedly aiding and 565 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: abetting a prostitution ring. Those charges were later reduced to 566 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: something called felony pandering. He pled guilty and got a 567 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hours of community service. So we never 568 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: did hard time or anything like that. But I have 569 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: no idea. I don't want to make light of it. Um. 570 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's got this implication that there's just regular pandering, 571 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: for there's misdemeanor pandering. I've got an article that says, 572 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: what is pandering and why is it a crime in Georgia? Okay, 573 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,879 Speaker 1: r I p your search history, but go on that's 574 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: doing this. It's from the Family Law and Criminal Defense 575 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: Attorneys of Lankford and more Law. It says the definition 576 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: of pandering is to gratify or indulge, and usually someone 577 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: is pandering when they are simply saying what they think 578 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 1: you want them to say. Hold on, huh, what we 579 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: might have to put a pin in this one. It's 580 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: listened as a sexual offense, says under Georgia Criminal Code 581 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: pandering by compulsion by dress or coercion causing a person 582 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: to perform an active prostitution. Okay, all right, that's a 583 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: little more. The criminal connection is a little more clier there. Okay, okay, alright, 584 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: so we've got that figured out. It was hurting me. Yeah, no, no, 585 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: we did the right thing. And again, Mike condolence says, 586 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: to your search history. So there there is a story 587 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: in a narrative regarding this event. In Supporters of Lazarre 588 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 1: will claim that this was all an attempt to smear 589 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: his character, to call into question his reliability. Still, the 590 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: case is officially on the books, and that's not even 591 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: the big incident. Because third, there's the government rate. Well 592 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: there are two government rates. Then these also really happened. Yeah, well, 593 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: we we talked about the story. We looked at its 594 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: website and the contents and the things you can buy, 595 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: and you can imagine that the government might have taken 596 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: issue with old United Nuclear scientific a couple of times. 597 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: Remember this is this is a store that sells things 598 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: like yell okay, like the thing it was held up. 599 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: Remember that one time yellow literal amounts it's funny size 600 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: yellow cake. It's like the Halloween candy version of yellow cake. Yes. Um, 601 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: So the store operated, I guess operates at least at 602 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: the time when there was a raid, it was operating 603 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: out of New Mexico, UM and then it changed to 604 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: operate out of Michigan, and at least according to our 605 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: records been we believe it's run out of Oregon right now. 606 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: In en they announced moving to Oregon. UH. In two 607 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: thousand three, a rate occurred. The Consumer Product and Safety 608 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: Commission executed a raid, which I was not aware they 609 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: would do, because he had sold some chemicals that were 610 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: typically used in the manufacture of illegal fireworks, and he 611 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: sold these Two federal agents. Lazar, in an interview, said 612 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: that during the raid he heard some fishy stuff because 613 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: the swat team said, and this is a quote, this 614 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 1: is total b s. It's nothing like they told us 615 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: in the briefing. So, according to federal court records associated 616 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: with this raid. A few years later, in two thousand six, 617 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: Lazar officially pleads guilty to violating the Federal Hazardous Substances Act, 618 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: and this is you know, this is not like murdering someone. 619 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: He gets a seven thousand five dollar fine and is 620 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: sentenced to three years federal probation, which is not a 621 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,399 Speaker 1: walk in the park, but it's better than incarceration. Well, 622 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: it's not a walk in the park. But I have 623 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: to say I kind of on the side of the 624 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: Consumer Product and Safety Commission a little bit here, just 625 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: after looking at the site and what what it's offering 626 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: in I feel like at least somebody needs to be 627 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: keeping a close eye on those chemicals and substances that 628 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: are on sale. Um. But you know, a raid keeping 629 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: an eye on things and rating a facility. Those are 630 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: two very different things, right, Yeah, And it's not really uh, 631 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, a question of morality at that point. It's 632 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: that's a pretty clear law, right unless again, you believe 633 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: this is part of a cover up or a smear campaign, 634 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: or you believe that the FEDS were after is something different. 635 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,720 Speaker 1: In t seventeen, United Nuclear is rated again by local 636 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: police in Michigan. I believe in coordination with the FBI, 637 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: uh Lazar and his advocates. I think this was very suspicious, 638 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: both in the timing and in the official explanation the 639 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,080 Speaker 1: Lazar and Jeremy has said this to Jeremy Corbell has 640 00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: also said things along this line. Lazar maintained that the 641 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: FBI was attempting to recover samples of something that Lazar 642 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: may or may not have taken from Area fifty one. 643 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: That would be element one fifteen, again not muscovium. The 644 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: idea is, or the theory, is that Lazar was under 645 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: government surveillance and has been for quite a while, and 646 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: that this raid was the latest in a decades long 647 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: harassment campaign, character assassination campaign against Lazar by the US government. 648 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: And and here, Matt, I think we can we can 649 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: refer to an excellent piece about this by a journalist 650 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: named Tim McMillan writing for Vice. Tim went and obtained 651 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: the official records of the raid, and he spoke with 652 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement all who would speak with him. And from 653 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: those records that this journalist finds it isn't seen that 654 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: the raid had much to do with aliens. But it 655 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: makes for a strange story all its own. Again, we 656 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: see competing narratives. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem to have 657 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: to do with aliens, but it does seem to have 658 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: to do with technology that Bob claims came from aliens, right, 659 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: because it, like you said, it goes back to that 660 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: element one fifteen, which Bob claims this element, when you 661 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: apply radiation to it or expose it to radiation, this 662 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: element creates its own gravitational field, which would be mind 663 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: blowing and incredible if true. Uh. And if true, the 664 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: FEDS and other government agencies would probably want to have 665 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: their hands on it, because, as we've talked in the past, 666 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,760 Speaker 1: the government is very much compartmentalized. There's not great communication 667 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: between departments often and between intelligence agencies and you know, 668 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: d O J and and all kinds of things like that. 669 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it isn't great at times when when 670 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: the communications need to be fully on, but often there's 671 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: a bit of working in the dark when it comes 672 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: to what what other agencies are doing. True, one hand 673 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: may not know the actions of the other hand. That's 674 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: that's simply a fact. That's a really good point too. Um. Yeah, 675 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 1: So again, this idea, this idea that the raid may 676 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: have an ulterior motive, especially at second rate, it all 677 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: goes back to this purported element one fifteen, and Lazar 678 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: will be um he has some interesting things to say 679 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: about this. Uh. He did once describe this element as 680 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: quote a super heavy unique element. When it's exposed to radiation, 681 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 1: it produces its own gravitational field, its own anti gravitational field, 682 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: and that's what's used to lift and propel the draft. 683 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: It is suggested, but not explicitly stated, that when Lazar 684 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,359 Speaker 1: left employment he stole some amount of this substance, and 685 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,719 Speaker 1: that he may have it today. If you look at 686 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: the philip we're saying official a lot in here, but 687 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: if you look at the confirmed element one fifteen, good 688 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: old muscovium, you see that it's it's probably a very 689 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: difficult thing to store. It has a half life of 690 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: a little more than half a second point six five 691 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: of a second. So it's like once you actually created, 692 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,280 Speaker 1: that thing decays and and is no longer element With fifteen, 693 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean you think green beans and bananas go bad quickly. 694 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: They got nothing on muscovium U. So like, don't buy 695 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: that unless you're cooking it that night. It's the case 696 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: that came up. But but yeah, so the thinking is 697 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: that the government wants this stuff back and that's why 698 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: law enforcement rated Lazar's business, But the official records seemed 699 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: to indicate that instead this raid was in connection with 700 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: a homicide. So we've got reports that come from Michigan 701 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: State Police Sergeant Detective Thomas, and according to these reports, 702 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: there was a death that occurred in connection with the 703 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: United Nuclear in t like the end of as a 704 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: person named Janelle Struzel s t r u z L 705 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: and Struzel was at least cording this report poisoned died 706 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,280 Speaker 1: of thallium toxicity. And thallium is one of these things 707 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: that United Nuclear probably may we are unsure had its 708 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: hands on or had available right, thallium sulfate. It's a colorless, odorless, 709 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: tasteless substance and it is sometimes referred to as the 710 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: quote poisoner's poison because of how toxic it is and 711 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to detect once it's been deployed. Yeah. Yeah, 712 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: So the idea is that where the belief was that 713 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: Janelle Struzel's husband, a romantic partner, had poisoned her with 714 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: thallium sulfate, and Lazar's company sells valium, so the police 715 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: were there to learn more about who he may have 716 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: sold this material too. It's important to note Lazar was 717 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: not and has never been listed as a suspect in 718 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,240 Speaker 1: this in this homicide at all. They just wanted to see, 719 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: at least from their side, they wanted to see if 720 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: they could connect the dots a chain of command for 721 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: this poison or substance used as such. And Lazar says 722 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:57,399 Speaker 1: sometime in March, a woman had provided him with an 723 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: element collection from her brother who had past and he 724 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: said that he took possession of this and he agreed 725 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,800 Speaker 1: to sell it on his website. According to the official 726 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: reports and to Lazar himself, thallium was one of the 727 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: elements in that collection, and he says, thallium is something 728 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: we never carried before. It was donated to us by 729 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: the family of an element collector that died. So now 730 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: we've had now we have this collection of stuff basically 731 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: we would we would not ordinarily carry. Right. So he 732 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: is fully cooperating with law enforcement. By the way, the 733 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: entire time, he's fully compliant. He's not trying to you know, 734 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: He's not like the viral clips on YouTube of someone 735 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: saying by being detained, being detained bro everything they asked 736 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: for he gave it to him. Uh. In May later 737 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: that year, Jeremy Corbelle was speaking with a couple of 738 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: news outlets, as particularly a British outlet called Express, and 739 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: he said, said, there's a quote he said, we believe 740 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: the official intent of the raid was a cover story, 741 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: and that they were looking for a piece of the 742 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,799 Speaker 1: fuel source for the extraterrestrial craft Lazar once worked on 743 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: for the United States government at area. So then we see, 744 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, we see the other side. We see these 745 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: allegations that maybe, surprise, surprise, the government is and being 746 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,720 Speaker 1: completely honest about their intentions. Uh. They Lazar and corbell 747 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,399 Speaker 1: both say this was part of a sustained surveillance campaign. Uh. 748 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: And in the documentary that Matt you you mentioned just 749 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: a bit ago, you can see them discuss the possibility 750 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: of Lazar having possession of something like this, and the 751 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 1: police search occurred very shortly after this conversation, according to 752 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,399 Speaker 1: Bob and Jeremy, right, yeah, And it's really weird. In 753 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 1: the documentary, at least, Jeremy and Bob report that the 754 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: the the investigators, the people actually came to to raid 755 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: the facility were they were able to again, according to 756 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,439 Speaker 1: these two guys. They were able to repeat back much 757 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,800 Speaker 1: of the same conversation that Jeremy and Bob were having 758 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,399 Speaker 1: where they were discussing this element one fifteen in private, right, 759 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: So it says though there was some kind of ongoing 760 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,280 Speaker 1: investigation into either Bob or Jeremy or both of them, 761 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: right right exactly, and something way beyond the idea that 762 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: your your phone might listen to you and then target 763 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: Facebook at or something like that or I don't know, 764 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: an Instagram add whatever whatever has the most sad. So 765 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: active surveillance is what they're talking about. And that's not 766 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility. That is something that 767 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,720 Speaker 1: the US government can has and can do, has doing 768 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,799 Speaker 1: and is doing right now as we record. So everybody say, hey, 769 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 1: does it there in this one? Yeah, Steve our hapless 770 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: a s a intern over there at the Puzzle Palace 771 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: Hope College is going well, man, and thanks for tuning 772 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 1: in as always, even though it's your job. So it 773 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,760 Speaker 1: looks like, according to the statements from the Michigan Police, 774 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: they had already gotten search warrants a day before Jeremy 775 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: and Bob are having this conversation. So we see these 776 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: two competing narratives, the idea that the FEDS were tracking 777 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: down thallium as it might have been connected to a homicide, 778 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: and the idea that the raids official purpose was a 779 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: cover up to obtain something much more unusual. As we said, 780 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: Lazarre fully cooperates. Uh, he doesn't believe the official reasoning 781 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,400 Speaker 1: about thallium, but he says, you know, anything they asked 782 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: for he gave them, he complied. He also noted that 783 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: it seemed the FEDS were much more interested in getting 784 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: access to his businesses can puters rather than finding thallium. Uh. 785 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: There is there is a thing though, and this is interesting. 786 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't think this hard proof. Uh. Someone goes on 787 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: Reddit shortly after and they say that they work at 788 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 1: United in Nuclear and that the raid was due to 789 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: this case of thallium poisoning and so so at least 790 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: one person claiming to be an employee claims that the 791 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 1: official story is legit. And this is you know, ah, 792 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 1: where do we go from here? Well, well, the thing is, like, 793 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,319 Speaker 1: you have to decide what you're gonna believe here, Right, 794 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: do you believe the story coming from Bob? Do you 795 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,839 Speaker 1: believe the story coming from the official reports on the investigation. 796 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 1: The uh, the story about thallium is a legitimate reason 797 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: there was a death, a murder, right, homicide that needs 798 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: to be investigated where there they need to investigate the 799 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,279 Speaker 1: origin of the murder weapon, which was a poison, right 800 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: or or you believe that you will. In order to 801 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: believe Bob's story about the reason the raid occurred, you 802 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: have to believe that Bob worked at this secret facility 803 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: S four right near Area one, that he worked on 804 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial craft, that extra terrestrial craft was there, that he 805 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: was able to take some of the element that causes 806 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: that craft to be able to fly and was hiding 807 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: it at his facility, and the government wanted that element. 808 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: So there's a lot that you have to believe in 809 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,200 Speaker 1: order to believe that statement. Right. In the other instance, 810 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 1: you all you have to do is believe that someone 811 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: writing a report about an FBI raid and a murder 812 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: told the truth. So it's just it's a tough it's 813 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,520 Speaker 1: a tough thing to not be skeptical about. I think, yeah, no, 814 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: that's a very good point, and we'll put uh. The 815 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,960 Speaker 1: other thing is government raids always seem suspicious, they're expensive, 816 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:10,479 Speaker 1: The FEDS don't do them for frenzies necessarily. Uh. It's 817 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: also strange that the thing that keeps getting me is 818 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: that if Bob Lazar and this is not a ding 819 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,760 Speaker 1: on the character of the person at all, But the 820 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: question is, if these claims are wholly or even partially true, 821 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: then how is this guy still out and about walking, 822 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,439 Speaker 1: speaking public, living a day to day life of as 823 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: a civilian. Uh. Lazarre seems to be pretty careful about 824 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: some things. He said that if he did have a 825 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: sample of element one fifteen, he would absolutely not reveal it, 826 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,560 Speaker 1: despite knowing this would confirm his story and also absolutely 827 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: rock the foundations of modern chemistry. So I don't understand 828 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: that last bit. I don't. Well, maybe it's a worry 829 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: about physical danger, you know, from their side, if we're 830 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: assuming that perspective. Uh, look, if it wasn't clear, folks, 831 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: and we're going a little long here. Skeptics hate this guy. Uh, 832 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: they object to him. You can find no, uh no 833 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 1: shortage of investigations that call into questions some of these claims. 834 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: Some ufologists like Stanton Friedman, who he mentioned earlier, also 835 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 1: don't particularly cotton to him, and a lot of experts 836 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 1: in various stem fields have dismissed his claims and explanations 837 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: as pseudo science, but again there are some seemingly true 838 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,200 Speaker 1: parts of the story. He did work for that contractor. 839 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: He also UH and props to Jeremy Corbel here uh 840 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,800 Speaker 1: Lazar describes as security device employed at Area fifty one 841 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,880 Speaker 1: when he supposedly worked there, and it was a hand 842 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,320 Speaker 1: scanner that would measure the length bone length and use 843 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: that to confirm someone's I identity. Jeremy did find evidence 844 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: for photographic evidence that a device like this was being 845 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 1: used during the late nineteen eighties to secure, you know, 846 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 1: top secret facilities. But again on the other side, skeptics 847 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 1: will point out that this device, which is called the 848 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,080 Speaker 1: Identimat two thousand, thousand thousand, was public knowledge by the 849 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: early to mid nineteen seventies. That part is also true. 850 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,480 Speaker 1: The Identimat three thousand is just me and I go, yep, 851 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: it's you. Yeah, we've got top security here and stuff 852 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. So also we have 853 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,360 Speaker 1: to note that again Lazarre came forward before Area fifty 854 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: one officially existed. UH this I don't think it was 855 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: until like two thousand thirteen ors, So that can declassify. 856 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 1: CIA documents confirmed the existence and location in the place. 857 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: But again, as we said at the top, this is 858 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: just scrap seen the surface. We welcome you to the 859 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: deja vu moments we have experienced every time we're talking 860 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,440 Speaker 1: about Bob Lazar, and we may need to return to 861 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,040 Speaker 1: the case in the future, definitely. I would just point 862 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 1: out that Google Maps, at least in my experience, unearthed 863 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: area fifty one much earlier, which is such a surreal 864 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 1: thing because you know, you work for Uncle Sam and 865 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: you're supposed to pretend it doesn't exist, even if even 866 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,320 Speaker 1: if you have like relatives or kids or your kids 867 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,840 Speaker 1: friends who are coming up to you with a print 868 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 1: out of a Google map. You know, uncle Jim, what's this? 869 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: There's nothing there in the desert. It's just a lake 870 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: bed by men in black like not working. Okay, yeah, 871 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,919 Speaker 1: you don't what that. That's a piece of paper, that's 872 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:58,760 Speaker 1: what that is. Who wants pizza? So just change the subject, right, 873 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,680 Speaker 1: That's pretty easy with kids. This this is the thing. 874 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: We're left with questions now. One, if the story is true, logically, 875 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: why is Bob blaz Are being allowed to live an 876 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: ordinary day to day life. His supporters will say that 877 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: he is not living in an ordinary life. He is 878 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 1: intensely surveiled at all times. Right, That's that's one of 879 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,040 Speaker 1: the claims. But then if the story is untrue, why 880 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: is it garnered so much attention? Is it just because 881 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,280 Speaker 1: people like the story, they like the X files of it. Um, 882 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: it's a cool story no matter what, whether it's true 883 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: or not true. And and that's the thing. It goes 884 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,479 Speaker 1: back to the truth. I mean, most importantly, I think 885 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: you and I can agree, and hopefully you listening at home, 886 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,360 Speaker 1: it seems like someone is not telling the truth. Whether 887 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,479 Speaker 1: that's the FEDS or whether that's Bob Lazar himself. There's 888 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: clearly something they don't want you to know. But what 889 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,360 Speaker 1: is that exactly depends on who you ask. So now 890 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,960 Speaker 1: we're asking you, fellow conspiracy realist, what do you think? 891 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Can you explain it to us? Can you send us 892 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: element please? Please? There are there are so many books 893 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 1: about Bob Lazar's life and story that you can read 894 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: right now if you're into it, by the way, and 895 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: we highly recommend you do that and then write to us, 896 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,080 Speaker 1: find us on social media, call us whatever you want 897 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,120 Speaker 1: to do, and tell us about that. Also, before you 898 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 1: even contact us. Consider buying our book Stuff they Don't 899 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's coming out in October. 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