1 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope, wherever you are and wherever 3 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: you were listening, it is good to be back with 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: you once again. And Steven Tobert, the off season is 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: officially here. Monday was a busy day for the Braves. 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: It always seems like that if significant news, whether good 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: or bad, happens for the Braves, ninety percent of the time, 8 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: it's on a freaking Monday, and today did not disappoint. 9 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: But Stephen, before we get into that, always a pleasure 10 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: to be with you here on my Hammer Territory Podcast, 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: part of the Foul Territory family of podcast. What's going on? 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: Stephen, Sean, how are you, buddy? Yeah? Man, it's we 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: knew it was going to be a busy day, listened. 14 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 2: Today was a deadline day, and deadline's always spur action 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: is kind of the famous saying. And today was the 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: day for all the team and player options for every 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 2: player in baseball had to be decided by today. Today 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: was also the day that all the qualifying offers had 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: to be in the league office by five pm today, 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: and then all of that, of course, all coincided with 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: the fact that free agencies started at five pm today, 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: So there was gonna be a lot of resolution to 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: a lot of questions throughout baseball, not just the Braves, 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: but all around the league. We got some kind of 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: league wide interesting news as well on you know, Garrett Cole, 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it wasn't just a Braves day. 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: It was kind of a day around baseball. But yeah, 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: and we knew today would have news associated with it, 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: we didn't expect that it would be this level of news. 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: Quite honestly. The show we were planning on doing tonight 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: was quite a bit different than one we're gonna do 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: because of what happened with some of the Braves transactions 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: that went a much different way than what the expectation was. So, yeah, 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: that's gonna be the show tonight. We're gonna focus on 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: kind of a couple of shocking pieces of news that 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: we you know, we found out today. 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was supposed to be a day for answers, right, 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: and a day for expected answers, you know, and that 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: that was going to be a welcome development for this 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Braves organization after twenty twenty four, in which there were 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: far more questions, a lot of times than answers are 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: far more head scratching moments than you know, satisfying moments, 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: and Monday did have plenty of answers, but it also 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: did have one big development that unfortunately adds questions to 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: the Braves off off season. But let's get into it. 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, obviously, coming into today, there were big decisions 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: to be made on the Braves when it came to 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: team options for twenty twenty five. The Braves, UH, exercise 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: Marcelo zuna sixteen million dollar option. Uh, they declined Luke 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Jackson's seven million dollar option. Duh. But then then there 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: also was the fact that the Braves also needed to 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: extend qualifying oppers to potential free agents, and they went 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: ahead and did that to Max free Dug. So I 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: keep saying duh because those were the expected moves. Those 55 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: were the moves that you expected to happen. But the 56 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: newsworthy developments, if you will, were the fact that the 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: Braves earlier on Monday declined an eight million dollar team 58 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: option for Travis Darno. And we'll get into why that 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: in particular is pretty pretty shocking when it comes to 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: the fact that Travis Darnaut was declined. But Stephen when 61 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: that decline occurred. There were some thoughts that we exchanged 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: when we were talking in the Hammer territory chat about 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, especially Alex and Thopolis. I'll let you get 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: a bit more into that, but we found out later 65 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: on on Monday there was a reason why Travis Darnaut's 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: our team option was declined, and that, to me is 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: the biggest news of the day where unfortunately end the 68 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: day with more questions than answers. 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was definitely shocking. I mean, Jeff 70 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: Pisan actually had it first. He tweeted it out before 71 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: the Braves account even tweeted it out, that they were 72 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: gonna decline Travis Darnow's eight million dollar option, and everybody, 73 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: including the Beat writers and a lot of a lot 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: of it is because Alex actually said this in his 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: postseason presser that they they believed that all the options 76 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: we're gonna get picked up, and so everybody's just associated 77 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: are assuming that Travis Darnol's option was getting picked up. 78 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: You know, the Braves have had this, you know, for 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: the last I don't know how many years, it seems 80 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: like forever now. The Braves have had these kind of 81 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: tandem catchers of two really good veteran catchers, and you know, 82 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: it just felt like twenty twenty five, the Braves had 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: another team option or Darnol. It just felt like we 84 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: were headed for another one of those where Murphy and 85 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: Darnault we're going to be the guys. And eight million 86 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 2: dollars for a guy as good as Travis, who's probably 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: a starting caliber catcher in baseball still even had his 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: at his age, it just seemed like kind of a 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: no brain. And you know, there are definitely reasons why 90 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: I understand that they declined the option, but I'll be honest, 91 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: as soon as I saw the news, I was kind 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: of expecting one of the beat writers to come out 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, the Braves declined the option, but 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: they're already in talks with Travis to come back on 95 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: a smaller deal, Like this was all pre arranged. That's 96 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: what I was kind of expecting. And we didn't even 97 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: get that. I mean, we got one of the you know, 98 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: I think Mark Bowman of MLB dot Com came out 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: and said, you know, the Braves may circle back to 100 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: Travis at the end of the off season once they 101 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: know a little bit more about their their finance situation 102 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: relative to the rest of the off season. But it 103 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: certainly wasn't a guarantee that they're gonna circle back. I mean, 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: this very well could just be the end for the 105 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: Braves and Travis Darnault, and outside of Darnault retiring, I 106 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: did not see that happening. You know, Brian Snicker talks 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: about Travis Darnaut like he's a family member. He is 108 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: adored in that clubhouse, and you know his leadership. He's 109 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: kind of one of the only veteran guys that have 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: been around for this entire run or most of this run. 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: He's highly respected. Outside of him retiring, I just didn't 112 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: see this happening. And I get why. There are reasons why, 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a minute, but just on 114 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: the face of it, just as we saw the news break, 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: unless they were gonna immediately bring him back on a 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: smaller deal, which it doesn't look like they will, not 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: until the end of the off season at least, I 118 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: was stunned. I was stunned. I did not see this 119 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: coming at all. I don't think many people saw it coming. Obviously, 120 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: there's gonna be questions about Drake Baldwin and Sean Murphy 121 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: and you know there'll be time for all that. But 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: just just this move alone was a stunning development in 123 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: a day that was supposed to be pretty boring, and 124 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: it turned and it turned into not boring very quickly. 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: I love a great deal, but I'm not gonna run 126 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 3: sprints in the outfield just to save a few bucks. 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: It has to be easy, no hopes, no bs. 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When the news of Travistarno's option being declined occurred, 147 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: As Steven mentioned, many thought were out there, you know, 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: especially with the fact that Alex and Dappless was so 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: straightforward when he mentioned in the end of the year 150 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: exit interviews that Travis Darno's option was going to picked up. 151 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: So if Alex is sitting here mentioning this, I know 152 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: he even did the same thing with Kevin Sitzer, and 153 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: Kevin Sitzer was eventually fired. But it just seems weird 154 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: that with how highly Travis darna is spoken of, and 155 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: obviously and Thoughtless was so quick to say we're going 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: to pick up the option, it just didn't make sense 157 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: as to why Travis Darno's option was declined. Unfortunately, we 158 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: may have gotten a bit of a clue a little 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: bit later on on Monday, the biggest news of all 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and the most unexpected news of all, even more than 161 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Travis Darne's option being declined, was announced on Monday night. Joejmenez, 162 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: who was a top fifteen reliever in baseball this year 163 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: in terms of f R, it was announced, unfortunately that 164 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: he is going to be undergoing surgery on his knee 165 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: to repair cartilage in his knee, and the projected turnaround time, 166 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the projected rehab time that he can return is anywhere 167 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: from eight to twelve months. In other words, there is 168 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: a good chance there's at least a realistic chance that 169 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: Joejimenez will not pitch in twenty twenty five. Now, on 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: the surface, it may seem that the Travisdarno decision and 171 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: the Joe himan As injury news may not have that 172 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: much to do with each other. But when you consider 173 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: the fact that Travis darna was expected to make eight 174 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: million in twenty and twenty five and Joejimenez was, I 175 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: just think a little bit under that Stephen in terms 176 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: of salary. It seems like when we're asking what could 177 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: have made Alex and Thopless go from being so absolute 178 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: during his exit interview to this unexpected news of Travis 179 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Darnoe's option, being declined. Something unexpected could have happened. This 180 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: Joe jiman Is injury may be. It not saying that 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: it is, but I do think the two are related. 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: And obviously the idea of the Braves being without Joejimenez 183 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five is a pretty big deal and 184 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: another need that arises this offseason the field. 185 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean their salaries are almost identical. 186 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: I think I think Amendaz is at for twenty twenty five. 187 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: I think Amenez was at nine million, and I think 188 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: Darnault is at eight million. So it's very possible that 189 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: the Braves, not expecting this Joe Jimenez news, realize that 190 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: they're going to have to go out and now add 191 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: to the bullpen, spend more money than they were thinking 192 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: they were going to have to, and realize that they 193 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: could save a little bit of that money if they 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: if they declined Darnaul's option. To be clear, we don't 195 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: know that that's exactly what happened or exactly their train 196 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: of thought, but you can see the logic where if 197 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: unexpectedly you now have to spend money on your bullpen 198 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: that you weren't planning on having to spend, then you 199 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: got to free that money up somewhere else. So yeah, 200 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it absolutely could have been part of 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: the calculus when they learned about Joejamenez, you know, for 202 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: that news that I mean, out of nowhere, just out 203 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: of nowhere, just out of left field. Justin Tascano of 204 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: the AGAC just tweeted out, oh, by the way, the 205 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: brave second best reliever is probably gonna miss all of 206 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. It's like, good Lord, like we did 207 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: we did this all all last year. All of twenty 208 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: twenty four was basically just us waiting on tweets like 209 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: that all year. It was just that that was the 210 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: entire twenty twenty four season. And you thought when the 211 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season ended that maybe some of that 212 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: would end as well. But we couldn't even get two 213 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 2: hours into twenty twenty five free agency and we've already 214 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: got a player that's out for almost you know, possibly 215 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: the entire twenty twenty five season at the very least. 216 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be you know, July or August before 217 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: Jojamenez his back, so and who knows what he's going 218 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: to be like when he gets back after missing that 219 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: much time. So, I mean, just a brutal, brutal blow. 220 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: I can't believe we already have a twenty twenty five 221 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: basically season ending injury and we're not. We haven't, we 222 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: hadn't started a free agency yet for the twenty twenty 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: five season. I mean, it's just it's unbelievable and it's 224 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: a huge blow. I mean, Johamen Is, like you said, 225 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: it was a top fifteen reliever last year. You know, 226 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: if a Glaciers didn't have just an unre real season, 227 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: he would have been the Braves' best reliever and he 228 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: was obviously going to be counted on to be a 229 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: huge part of that bullpen. You know, I'm curious to 230 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 2: see if this changes anything with Aj Minter, who the 231 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Braves obviously know is a high leverage reliever, but he's 232 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: a free agent. I don't know if they have any interest. 233 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: They've got a hole in the back of that bullpen 234 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: now that they got to fix, and like you said, 235 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 2: you know, that's money that they're going to have to 236 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: spend that they weren't maybe you know, they maybe weren't 237 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: counting on having to spend and maybe they looked at 238 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: Travis's eight million and said this is a place where 239 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: we can potentially save, especially when our top prospect in 240 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: the system is a catcher. So the two could be 241 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 2: connected for sure, But it's I mean, it sucks. It 242 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: just sucks, like I'm so sick of injuries. You know, 243 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: the fact that we already have a twenty twenty five 244 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: injury and the twenty twenty five season hasn't even freaking 245 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: started yet is just IS's just just a chef's I 246 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: need twenty twenty four to end. I need the year. 247 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: I thought the baseball season ending would do it, but 248 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: apparently not. I just need the year twenty twenty four 249 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: to end, because apparently the whole whole damn thing is 250 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: cursed and we can't get out of this year fast enough. 251 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the thing that I'll say is this is 252 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: that you know, we we We've done. We've talked about 253 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: it multiple times throughout the off season so far, Stephen, 254 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: and in particular the pitching staff. Is that as good 255 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: as this starting staff was, there are questions, legitimate questions. 256 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: I feel up and down the starting staff where you 257 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: think they're going to be very good once again, but 258 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: don't know if they're going to be near the top 259 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: of the league. But the one part of this team 260 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: that you didn't really question was the back end of 261 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the bullpen. Yeah right, sell Iglesias may not have been 262 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: as good as he was in twenty and twenty four, 263 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: but you had a feeling that this back in the 264 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: bullpen was going to be very, very good. And now 265 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: it's just again, it's just it's it's it's basically the 266 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: ripple effect from twenty twenty four. We couldn't have just 267 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: had it end with twenty twenty four season. We've now 268 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: got us sit here and see all these injuries that 269 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: occur in twenty and twenty four question whether or not 270 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 1: some of our best players coming back are going to 271 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: be good. I mean, I don't. I'm not saying that 272 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: Joe hemman Is is to the level of a Ronald 273 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: Accuna junior or a Spencer Strider. But that's the big 274 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: thing about it. It's not just the fact that these 275 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: players are coming back from injury. It's the fact that 276 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: how long is it going to take them to be 277 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: back to being the difference makers that they were before injury? 278 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: And that's what is really really frustrating. Plus it puts 279 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: more emphasis on Chris Selle continuing to be a difference 280 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: maker at the level that he was, Marcello Zuna continuing 281 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: to be a difference maker at the level that he was, 282 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: Ry Suelly Glacias as well. It's the ripple effect from 283 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: twenty to twenty four. And I know we're at the 284 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: start of the off season. We have plenty of time 285 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: to be able to make up for it. But I'm 286 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: just wanting to point out that Joe jimman Is was 287 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: part of a duo that was one of the strengths 288 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: of our team and part of a duo of an 289 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: aspect of this team. You want to be strong in 290 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: the postseason, and now is just one more thing we've 291 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: got replace. 292 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I will say this. I'll make a 293 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: couple of points here. Alex is very good at building bullpens. 294 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: He's always done a really good job at building bullpens, 295 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: going back to I mean since he's been here. But 296 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: you know, the famous example is twenty twenty one where 297 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: he built that whole night shift bullpen. And obviously they 298 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: were a huge part of the you know, the World 299 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: Series team and every year, I mean the Braves and 300 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: I can't remember a year, maybe twenty twenty that short year, 301 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: weird year, the Braves didn't have a ton of pitching. 302 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: But other than that, he's always built a really good bullpen. 303 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: So Alex is very good at this, and so I 304 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: have full confidence that he can do it. The other 305 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: point I'll make is that this did happen at the 306 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: beginning of the offseason, where every single reliever who's gonna 307 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: be available is still available. You know, every single trade 308 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: target that is out there is still out there. Like it, 309 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: it is better that this happened now instead of like 310 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: in you know, March, where your options are severely decreased. 311 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: Your ability to cover it up is you know, severely 312 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: ham like you can. It's early enough where the Braves 313 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: could still, you know, completely remake the bullpen into something 314 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: really strong for twenty twenty five. So it sucks for Joe. 315 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: You know, he had an awesome year last year. He 316 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: was gonna be you know, twenty twenty five. I have 317 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: to go but I have to go back and look 318 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: at his contract. I can't remember if it was a 319 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: two year contract or a three year contract, but I 320 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: think twenty twenty five was going to be his free 321 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: agent year, or maybe he had one more year left 322 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: on his deal. I don't quite remember, but either way, 323 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: he was probably set up for a decent payday after 324 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: the year he had in twenty twenty four and if 325 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: he was able to repeat it in twenty twenty five. 326 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: So I do feel bad for him, but Alex is 327 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: very good at building bullpens, and I do think he'll 328 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: be able to you know, I don't know if I 329 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: don't know if declining Travis's option was all about his 330 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: money and freeing up his money to spend in that area. 331 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: We'll see exactly what happens. And it's not a guarantee 332 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: that Travis is not going to be back, but he's 333 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: he's not going to be back in eight million. We 334 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: know that, and you know, Alex is probably gonna use 335 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: some of those savings to the bolster the bullpen. But 336 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: it is actually a better that it happened this early, 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: so all of your options are available. Anybody you want 338 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: to sign has not signed yet, anybody you want to 339 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: trade for has not been traded yet. So there is 340 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: benefit to happening that happening this early where you can 341 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: you've got time to cover it up. 342 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: From what I'm seeing, I think that he signed a 343 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: three year twenty six million dollars deal at the beginning 344 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty four season, so he would have 345 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: been in year two of basically. 346 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: Okay, it was it was a three year deal, okay. 347 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: And I think that Paris Johnson had the two year 348 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: deal with an option. 349 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, get those two mixed up. I couldn't remember 350 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: who signed the two and who signed the three. 351 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and no doubt, you know, Joe Hammann has especially 352 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: looked like a steel last year. And again, do you 353 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: want to point out that you know this the good 354 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: that there are there, I don't know, won't say it's 355 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: a good thing. But this isn't an arm injury, right, Like, 356 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: this isn't to his knee, so potentially when he comes back, 357 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't take as long for him to ramp 358 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: up and be good to go. This isn't like a 359 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: pitcher coming off of Tommy John surgery where he you know, 360 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: there's a good chance he's not going to be back 361 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: to normal at any point during the year that he 362 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: comes back. And the other thing is is that, hey, 363 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: since it's not an arm injury, but he's gonna be 364 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: out for a while, that's less mileage on his arms. 365 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: So maybe that helps out with the bounce back. But Stephen, 366 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: let's let's shift the focus here a little bit. So 367 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna be without Travis Darno in twenty twenty five, 368 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: more than likely, we're going to likely be without Joejumanns 369 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: for a good portion of twenty twenty five. Let's get 370 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: to the name that we have talked about now for 371 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: two consecutive shows as being a pretty interesting name this offseason, 372 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: and I talked about how twelve months from now he 373 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: could be a much bigger source of importance for the 374 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Sprave's team. But now now he possibly is your backup catcher. 375 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Now I know the whole thing about Drake Baldwin potentially 376 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: sitting on the bench one hundred plus in Atlanta. That 377 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: probably is not the best thing for his development, and 378 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: there's really not a lot of openings elsewhere for him 379 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: to play. But for the Braves, it does seem like 380 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: that this is an opportunity to really see what you've 381 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: got in Drake Baldwin. Garrett Spain, a fellow writer of ours. 382 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: Over at Battery Power, he talked about the fact that 383 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: the Braves think very highly of Drake Baldwin, but Stephen 384 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: it seems like that Drake Baldwin's time could potentially be 385 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: now it just becomes very interesting to see what the 386 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Braves will decide to do. Your thoughts on just Drake 387 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: Baldwin kind of be in a seamless transition to being 388 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: the braves backup catcher in twenty twenty five. Yeah, I'm. 389 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: I'm not there yet. I'm not convinced that that's gonna 390 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: be his role because the Bridges could still sign Darnault, 391 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: their Bridges could still sign another backup catcher and just 392 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: you know, and have The way it gives me pause 393 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: is the idea of him sitting on the bench so 394 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: much in Atlanta. And you know, Alex talked about it 395 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: right right when the offseason began, about like how much 396 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: development time catchers need and how much how much how 397 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: many game reps they need, especially and again we talked 398 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: about this before about the kind of the unheralded part 399 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: of catching in the part that never gets talked about 400 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: is calling games and managing a pitching staff. And that's 401 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: stuff you can't you know, there's no stats for that. 402 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: There's no way to judge exactly how well a guy's 403 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: doing it that you know, that's something only the organization knows, 404 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: and only they can track, and only they can judge, 405 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: and we can't publicly, you know, we have no idea. 406 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: So I just don't know if they're gonna love the 407 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: idea of him sitting on the bench one hundred games 408 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: or however many Murphy plays next year. I just it 409 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: could happen, you know, honestly, if they if they gave 410 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: him an outfield glove and spring training and said, hey, 411 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: you're gonna catch sixty games, but then you're gonna play 412 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: another forty in the outfield or DH and still we're 413 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: able to give him four hundred at bats. You know, 414 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: I could maybe be a little bit more on board 415 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: with it, But you know, me and you talked about 416 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: it in the last show we did, Like Snit's playing. 417 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: Originally was for Murphy to be like a seventy five 418 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: twenty five split of a catcher, where he's catching seventy 419 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: five percent. 420 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: Of the time. 421 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: If that's the case, I mean, that's like one hundred 422 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: and twenty one hundred and thirty games. Is Drake Baldwin 423 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: gonna only play for thirty games next year? Like that 424 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: just seems like a terrible use of his talent and value, 425 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: quite honestly, So, I don't know. I'm not there yet. 426 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: I still think there's a world with the Raves sign 427 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: a backup catcher for just dirt cheap. You know, they 428 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: could sign a backup catcher for the league minimum play 429 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: Murphy most of the time, you know, bank most of 430 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: the savings off d'arnault and use that somewhere else, and 431 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: then still keep Drake Baldwin in triple A. I think 432 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: it does significantly reduce the chances of Drake Baldwin getting traded. 433 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: What you and I talked about was a real possibility. 434 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: That doesn't seem like the case anymore. But yeah, I'm 435 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: not sure I'm there yet that he's gonna definitely be 436 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: the backup catcher in Atlanta. I think there him sitting 437 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: on the bench that much. Something about that just doesn't 438 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: sit right with me in terms of his value and 439 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: his development. I just I don't. I don't love that idea, 440 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: and I don't think the Braves maybe maybe that's the plan, 441 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: but I don't think that's the plan as we sit 442 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: here today. That opinion can change in four months. But yeah, 443 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: we'll see. I he's you know, the Brays have a 444 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: ton of talent there. Of course, having a guy like 445 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: Drake Baldwin as you're a third catcher before Darnault got 446 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 2: declined and now your second catcher is a as an 447 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: envio enviable spot to be in terms of the amount 448 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: of talent they have. But yeah, I'm not sure they're 449 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: ready to just sit him on the bench for as 450 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: much as I think he would sit on the bench 451 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: as the backup catcher. 452 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: So Drake Baldwin potentially becomes the backup catcher. I agree 453 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: with you. I think that there is reason to give 454 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: him an opportunity to have another year in Triple A. 455 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: And if he just forces his hand, hey you've got 456 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: options out there, you could sign for the cheap maybe 457 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: even cheaper than Darnault. So I agree that it makes 458 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: sense to probably go with the veteran catcher. But I 459 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: think that the more interesting conversation, you know, since we 460 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: don't have just a clear cut option like we do 461 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: with Drake Baldwin, it backup catcher is now who potentially 462 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: Alexanthopolis goes after to fill the role that you know, 463 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: Joe Jimenez is going to leave now, dasbol Hernandez I 464 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: think could step up and be that guy, or excuse me, 465 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: let me back this up. I think Das Hernandez could 466 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: step up and be a guy for the bullpen. I 467 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if he's going to be a guy 468 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: to the level of Jo Jimenez Piis Johnson, you would 469 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: feel naturally could step up and fill that role as well. 470 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: But the Braves have put a high priority on being 471 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: deep and very deep with quality from the right handed 472 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: side in their bullpen. And you know, Alexanthopolis loves going 473 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: to make trades for relief pitchers who may be struggling elsewhere, 474 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: but he feels can come to Atlanta and be better 475 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: than they were elsewhere. Steven, what are your thoughts? There 476 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: also are some attractive reagents out there, at least in 477 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: terms of one year potential deals, who could step up 478 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: and deliver. Where might the Braves go to get this 479 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: option in place to where they can have another reliable, 480 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: potentially dominant option to put with Bryce Iglacias at the 481 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: end of their bullpen in twenty twenty five. 482 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna do something. I don't think 483 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: they're just going to count on internal options. I love 484 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: days Bill Hernandez, but I'm not sure he's ready to 485 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: be you know, mister high leverage. Pierce Johnson did not 486 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: have the best year last year, especially down the stretch 487 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: second half. He was not as reliable as he has been. 488 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're one hundred percent going to be, 489 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: you know, on board with trusting him with those innings. 490 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 2: I do think they'll go add somebody, now who that is. 491 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: You know. One of the reasons bullpen is one of 492 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 2: the easiest places to add to your team because there's 493 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: just so many bullpen pieces out there in baseball. Bad teams, 494 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, rebuilding teams, teams that need to cut money. 495 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: All of these teams have decent bullpen arms somewhere in 496 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 2: their franchise that they are willing to give you for 497 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 2: a certain price. And the names are literally too it's 498 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: it's too numerous to count or even name like he 499 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: could go twenty different places and find a really good 500 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: right handed pitcher. There are some good names on the market, 501 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: it's not a massive, you know, free agent market for relievers. 502 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: Or's some decent names, but nobody crazy good. You know, 503 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: everybody's gonna talk about Devin Williams with the Brewers because 504 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 2: of you know, the contract stuff he's going through with 505 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: the Brewers. I don't know if the Braves would get 506 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: into that. It's going to be expensive. Devin Williams is 507 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: one of the best relievers in baseball, and the Braves 508 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: already have a closer technically, so but yeah, I mean, 509 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: I do think Alex is going to go external for 510 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: this addition, though I don't think he's going to go internal. 511 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: I don't think the Braves, you know, Brad floated the 512 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: idea that maybe Griffin Kanning, you know, moves to the bullpen, 513 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: if maybe that was part of the idea of the deal. 514 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: I have no idea if that would work. He's not 515 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: a high velocity guy, so I don't know if they 516 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: would trust him in high leverage. I don't know. It's 517 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see. You know. We're definitely gonna 518 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: add right handed, high leverage reliever to our list of 519 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: free agent targets, which wasn't the case, you know, four 520 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: hours ago, and so that's kind of what we're gonna 521 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: do in the next few days, is try to go 522 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: through some different names and see if we can find 523 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: some reasonable targets. I've been reading about all the other 524 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: teams and what their plans are. There's plenty of teams 525 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: out there that, even good teams, that are planning on 526 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: cutting money for one reason or another. If it's TV 527 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: money not being as big as it used to being, 528 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: or not winning at the rate they thought they would 529 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: and they need to cut payroll, There's gonna be plenty 530 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: of chances for the Braves to add a decent reliever, 531 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 2: more than one decent reliever if Alex wants to. But 532 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: I think they will. I think they're definitely gonna add 533 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: after this news. I don't think Alex is gonna trust 534 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: anybody internally to handle I mean, Jojamanez was unbelieved last 535 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: year and pitched a ton of innings. I don't think 536 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: Alex is gonna trust anybody internally to fill that spot. 537 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm guessing he goes out and gets somebody pretty damn 538 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: good to fill those shoes. 539 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: So let's break this down a little bit further, because 540 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: I do want to dive into this for just a 541 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: second because it excites me right Like, I know that 542 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, relief pitching is very volatile. I know that 543 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: you know it probably doesn't make sense to pay a 544 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: high price. But here's my thought process. Stephen. The last 545 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: two closers for the Braves under alex Anthopolis have been 546 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: Will Smith and rycell Iglesias. Each of them have been 547 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: at a fifteen plus me a fourteen plus meum price 548 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: tag basically since the start of the twenty twenty one season. 549 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: Alexanthopolis is fine putting money into closers. Kelly Jensen, Kenley 550 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: Jansen as well. Very very good point, Kelly Jensen as well. 551 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: My apologies. You're right. He's spent sixty MILLI on Kenley 552 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Jansen in twenty twenty two. You are right, Yes, here's 553 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: my point. He's fine spending money, which I get, But 554 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: why not this time around kick the tires on scene 555 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: if you could combine an All Star closer with your 556 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: current all star closer. And here's my theory behind it. 557 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: Devin Williams of the Brewers, Ryan Helsley of the Cardinals. Okay, 558 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: and I know that that name may not necessarily be 559 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: the most popular with Braise fans when it comes to 560 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: past comments, but my point is is that you've got 561 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: those two players out there, Williams, Helsley as well as Iglesias, 562 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: all three of them I counted right this time? Steven 563 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: no picking finger. All three of them, whatever man, all 564 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: three of them are free agents after this year. My 565 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: point is, if you could go get a Devin Williams 566 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: to p and Helsley is already signed up believed for 567 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: eight million this upcoming season, Devin Williams is projecting at 568 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: his ten point five million dollars option declined projected for 569 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: somewhere between seven and nine million through various sites. But 570 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: you go and if the price is reasonable, you go 571 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: get that player and bring them in. They could be 572 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: your setup guy to write soellyglacias this year, and then 573 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: they potentially could be the closer for twenty twenty six 574 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: and beyond with your him in as back as your 575 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: setup guy. I think that there could be sense for 576 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: if the price is right, alex In Thoppl is going 577 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: to do that. I don't think that it's likely, but 578 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: I think that there is some reason to go do it, 579 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: especially especially again back to those questions that we're talking 580 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: about when it comes to the starting stab. If you 581 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: can have two legitimate all star level closers at the 582 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: back of your bullpen for next year, that could be 583 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: a huge benefit come playoff time. And I think the 584 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Braves have reason to do it, especially if they like 585 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: a guy they can get now to invest in the future. 586 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: And they just did it in twenty twenty three. They 587 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: went out got Pierce Johnson, They went out and got 588 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: Joe Jimenez signed him for multiple years after that. Could 589 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: we see deja vu this offseason with Devin Williams Ryan Hillsley, Yeah. 590 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you're right. Alex has always spent money on 591 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: the bullpen always, I mean, way more money than I 592 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: would ever be comfortable like relievers. Spending a lot of 593 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: money on relievers is one of my least favorite things. Honestly, 594 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Alex has no bones about it. He you know, he 595 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: handed Will Smith like forty million dollars in free agency 596 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: one year. He handed Kenley Jansen like sixteen seventeen million. 597 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: He took on it the entire Rossio Glass contract, which 598 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: is like fifty million or forty five million at the 599 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: time he made that trade. He spent you know, like 600 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: you said, the Pierce Johnson deal, the Jojamenez deal. He 601 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: spends money on bullpens. And I you know, that's why 602 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up the idea about you know, 603 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 2: Travis Darnault's option being declined and and this potentially being 604 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: connected is because maybe he felt like he needed a 605 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 2: little bit extra money to go sure this bullpen up. 606 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: So I expect him to do that. I expect him 607 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: to go get somebody really good, like I I do. 608 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: I don't think they're just gonna, you know, try to 609 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: patch it together. That's not his mo with the bullpen. 610 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: His MO was to go be aggressive, spend money, target 611 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: somebody good, bring him in. If you've already got a closer, 612 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: even if you already got you know, high leverage guys, 613 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: you know, one more never hurts. And you know, I 614 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: could have made this argument even before Joejmanniz went down 615 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: that they might have done this. You know, they're losing 616 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: aj Mintor right even before, even before Jimenez went down, 617 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: they were losing aj Mentor. You could have made the 618 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: argument they needed another reliever before this injury news popped. 619 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: So after this injury news has popped, I don't think 620 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: there's any doubt about it, he's gonna go get somebody. 621 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: I don't know who I would love. I would love 622 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: Devin Williams. Devin Williams is ungodly. He is an unreal reliever. 623 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: Ryan Helsley with the Cardinals throws like one hundred and 624 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: three miles an hour, So if he wants to go 625 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: get that guy, I'll take him to. But it's gonna 626 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: be I would bet money that it's gonna be somebody significant, 627 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: somebody you know, somebody you've heard of. I don't know 628 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: if it's gonna be a closer, but I have a 629 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: feeling it's gonna be somebody who's pitched in the eighth 630 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: or ninth inning, somebody they're comfortable giving high leverage innings too. Yeah, 631 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: I think that's going to happen, and I think I 632 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: don't know if it's moved to the top of Alex's 633 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: list this offseason, but it's pretty close. I mean, this 634 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: is this is one of the most important guys on 635 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: the team from last year now almost certainly being out 636 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: for most, if not all, of twenty twenty five. You know, 637 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: this need shot up the board quick and this I 638 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: think it's a pivotal one, and I think Alex will 639 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: go address it in a big way at some point 640 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: before we get to spring training. 641 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: Yep. I'm just I'm just bracing for self and when 642 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: from when that notification occurs that the Braves have acquired 643 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: Sunny Gray and Ryan Hillesley in the same deal. 644 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: Scott. Yeah, you and Scott together would have a heart attack. 645 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it would. It would definitely be nice to see. 646 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: Would not enjoy that return that we would have to 647 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: send to the Cardinals with whatever we would have to 648 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: pay down, But you know what, Hey, that's the price 649 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: of doing business. Again, I find it unlikely. I do 650 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: think that the Brais are going to look to maybe 651 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: a maybe go a bit more significant on offense than 652 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: people speculate. But that Sunny Gray Ryan Hillsy nomination, you 653 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: can make it make a lot of sense. Mike Petrello 654 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: of MLB dot com one of my favorite minds in baseball. 655 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: I believe his last name is Patrello. He he mentioned 656 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: it earlier today, So that's just pure speculation. But the 657 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: point is, Hey, while another need is created, the good 658 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: thing is it's the one area where alex Enthopolis has 659 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: consistently found the right moves to make, and you know, 660 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: maybe it makes sense to go after an all star 661 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: level type edition Stan. 662 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: It is possible, I do want to say this before 663 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: we sign off. It is possible that this changes the plan. 664 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: You know, maybe maybe the plan this offseason was to 665 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: go big in left field or big at shortstop. It's 666 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: very possible this changes that where they now go a 667 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: little more conservative at left field, maybe more conservative at shortstop, 668 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: to try to go get somebody really big for the 669 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: back end of the bullpen. I don't know. We don't 670 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: know how much money they have to spend. We know 671 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: that they just freed up a bunch of money in 672 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 2: the last three days. We're probably gonna do a podcast 673 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: here pretty soon trying to go over all the savings 674 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 2: that they did just kind of go through payroll as 675 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: the as the free agency starts. But yeah, it's possible 676 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 2: this news changes their plans in a big way. It's 677 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: possible it doesn't change it at all. Maybe the Darnault 678 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: decline was enough to give them the money they need 679 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: to proceed as they were otherwise going to before this injury. 680 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 2: But it's a significant enough need and a significant enough 681 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: hole in the roster that it could very possibly change 682 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 2: the outlook of the offseason. If this all of the 683 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: sudden shoots up to the number one priority. 684 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: On your board. 685 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 2: I don't know that it has, but I can make 686 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: the argument that it should. And we'll see what they think. 687 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: We'll see how they proceed. Will know very quickly. We'll 688 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 2: know by the first couple of moves they make this winner, 689 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 2: you know how they feel about that. And you know, 690 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: we'll get our answers here pretty soon. And Alex is 691 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: a guy that usually works pretty hard in November. Something 692 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: tells me we're not gonna have to wait very long. 693 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get some answers here, probably before 694 00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: we get to Christmas time. 695 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and hey, you know what if there is one 696 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: thing that you could take away from this for those 697 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: that like an exciting nomseason, this just makes the direction 698 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: the Braves go this offseason a little bit more unclear, 699 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: and that is the perfect area where Alex and Thopless 700 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: like stop rate, Stephen, Do you have anything else for 701 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: us as we wrap up this edition of the Hammer 702 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: Territory podcast. 703 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: Nope, just make sure you're subscribed, of course. 704 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: Uh. 705 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: The you know, free Agency officially started at five pm today, 706 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 2: and that means at any point we could get breaking news. 707 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: There's four of us on this podcast, obviously, Sean and 708 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: I and Brad and Scott, and anytime news breaks. 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