1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Welcome in our number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: For those of you out there following this news, the 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: FED has decided not to raise interest rates in their 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: most recent meeting. That news just coming down in the 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: last three or four minutes, so mercifully, at least for now, 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: interest rates paused. We're joined now by a candidate for 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination. He is former 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Vice President Mike Pence. Appreciate you joining us today. 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: Sir Clay Travis buck Sexton. Thanks for having me on. Guys, 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: it's an honor to be back. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Thanks all right, so we are pleased to have you. 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: And I got to begin with the question I said, 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: and you may have heard it when Ron DeSantis was 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: honest right with us right after he grad right after 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: he announced, I said, I think you need to consider 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: announcing that you will pardon Donald Trump in the event 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: he has charged. President Trump has now been charged. Yeah, 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: I mean even yes, convicted. But if you are president 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty five, I think you would 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: agree this is a political prosecution. Why am I wrong 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: to think that it is important for whoever the Republican 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: president is in the event that it is not Trump, 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: to pardon him. And why would you not want to 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: pardon him. 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: Well, first off, let's let me take a step back, 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: but I'm going to answer your question. Yesterday was a 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: sad day for this country. I mean, the very specter 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: of a former president of the United States in the dock, 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: in the court indicted. It's nothing I thought i'd ever 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: live to see in this country. And I think that 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: millions of Americans we're downhearted about what we saw. But 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: in this country, first principles is what you guys talk 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: about all the time. No one's above the law, and 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: every one of us is entitled to the presumption of innocent, innocent, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: and to a proven guilty. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Right. 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: So that's where we start. And former President Trump's entitled 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: the Presumption of Innocence. Now I have read the indictment. 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: I would tell you all, as someone that spent years 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: on the International Relations Committee, I had the highest level 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: of clearance when I was your vice president. These are 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: serious charges. I mean, the handling of classified information bears 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: upon our national security, the safety of our armed forces, 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 3: and I will just say to you, as I've said 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: another place, I can't defend what has been alleged, but 48 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: the former president is entitled to his day in court. 49 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: And frankly, after seven years of politicization at the Department 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: of Justice that I lived through, I was in that 51 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: campaign in twenty sixteen when the head of the FBI 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: said that he was not going to bring charges against 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton for much the same facts that have now 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 3: resulted in an indictment against Donald Trump. I was there 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: in the White House during two and a half year 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: years of the Russia hoax. I saw the big media, 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: big tech, you know, collude to essentially suppress the Hunter 58 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: Biden laptop story. All the things you guys get covered 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: with great distinction. But you know, so it's hard for 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: me to believe that politics did not play a role here. 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: And it's one of the reasons why last week I 62 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: called on the Attorney General, Merrick Garland, to come before 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: the American people and talk about the reasons for this decision, 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: to answer questions about the basis of it, because the 65 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: American people have lost confidence in the Department of Justice. 66 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: And what I will tell you is that should I 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: have the great privilege of being president of the United States. 68 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: We're going to restore confidence in the Department of Justice. 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: We're going to clean house in all the senior offices. 70 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: We're going to put men and women of unimpeachable integrity 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: in those positions, and we're going to restore the confidence 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: of the American people in equal treatment under the law. 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 4: As part of that, the Vice President pens Can, I 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: ask you, would you consider the appointment of a special 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: counsel to look into what seems to be now increasingly 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: obvious and raising corruption affecting the Bidens. 77 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Guys, why would we wait for that? I'm demanding it now. 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: I demanded it on national television this morning. Look, I 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: want to see the Department of Justice bring equal vigor 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: to the investigation into allegations concerning President Biden, concerning members 81 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 3: of his family. I'd like to see them bring equal 82 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: vigor to the investigation into President Biden's handling of classified documents. 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: I mean, some of these documents dayed back decades, not 84 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: just to when he was Vice president, but when he 85 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: was a member of the United States Senate. That's what 86 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: I want to see, equal treatment under the laws, that 87 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: everybody gets the same everybody gets the same treatment. I'm 88 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: going to continue to call on that, but that you 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: know that the Lady Justine, this is blind and we 90 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: ought to be able to demand as Americans that the 91 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: law be upheld, but that it'd be evenly and equally 92 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: applied to everyone. And I will tell you maybe you know, 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 3: I got two members of my immediate family that serve 94 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: in the armed forces of the United States. My sons 95 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: a captain in the Marine Corps. My son in law 96 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: is a lieutenant in the Navy. And I will never 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: diminish the importance of protecting our nation's secrets. But all 98 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: that being said, you know, as I said, I, having 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: lived through all these years of politicization, I promise you, 100 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: if I have the opportunity to be president of the 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: United States, we're in a clean house. Give the American 102 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: people a fresh start, and restore confidence in the rule 103 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: of law. 104 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: So so, Vice President of penns. 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 4: This is the most basic question, but I think in 106 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: a lot of ways it would be the most important 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: one for you, which is you served under President Trump. 108 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: Why are you running, Why do you think you would 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 4: do a better job, or what would you be doing differently? 110 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: As a matter of policy from what a lot of 111 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: the listeners feel like was a overall very successful first 112 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: four years of Trump. 113 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: Look, I'm incredibly proud of the record of the Trump 114 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: Pen's administration. I know there are some candidates in this 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: Republican primary who have taken to criticizing our record, but look, 116 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: I stand by it shoulder to shoulder every single day. 117 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: Other than the difficult time that we had at the 118 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: end that I spoke about in my announcement speech last week, 119 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: where I stood on the Constitution of the United States, 120 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: every single day I was there as we worked to 121 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: rebuild our military, revived our economy, we cut taxes, rollback regulations, 122 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: achieved energy independence, we secured our border, and we appointed 123 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: three of the justices to the Supreme Court of the 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: United States that gave America a new beginning for life. 125 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: I'm proud of that record, but I'm running because I 126 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: think this country's in a lot of trouble. I mean, frankly, 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: in two and a half years, President Joe Biden and 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: the Democrats have weakened America at home and abroad. And 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: I think those of us that have the experience, which 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: experience ranges not just from being Vice president but I 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: was governor of the state of Indiana, where we balanced budgets, 132 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: we doubled an educational choice program, We stood for life 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: and liberty. And also I was a leading House Conservative 134 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: for twelve years. I battled against the big spenders in 135 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: my own party. That was when I first came into 136 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: contact with the late and great Rush Limbaugh. He saw 137 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: me as a backbencher that was fighting against big government 138 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: Republicanism back in the day. And I would tay. I 139 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: just think those of us that have the experience and 140 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: those of us that had the proven commitment to the 141 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: conservative agenda that's carried us not just to Republican victories, 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: but to great victories for the American people over the 143 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: last fifty years, have an obligation to step forward. And 144 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: that's why my wife and I, after a great deal 145 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: of prayer and deliberations, announced our intention to seek the 146 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: Republican nomination for President of the United States. And any 147 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: one of your listeners all over the country that would 148 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: like to know more or even help us out, go 149 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: to Mike Pence twenty twenty four dot com. 150 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: All right, we're talking to former Vice President Mike Pence, 151 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: running for president as the Republican contender here in the primary. 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: And I want to circle back to the first question 153 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: there because I don't think you directly answered it. So 154 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: let's presume you're fortunate enough take out of office January 155 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, you become the next president of the 156 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: United States. Donald Trump is convicted of what I think 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: you would agree are clearly to a large degree, political 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: based charges. He is facing time in prison, maybe they 159 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: even put handcuffs on him and walk him into a prison. 160 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: Would you pardon him from those federal charges? 161 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: Well, first off, these are serious charges, and as I said, 162 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: I can't defend what's been alleged, but the president does 163 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: deserve to make his defense. And I would say to 164 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: each one of you, Look, I've been a former governor, 165 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: I've actually granted pardons to people, and I take the 166 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: pardon authority very seriously. It's an enormously important power of 167 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: someone in an executive position, and I just think it's 168 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: premature of any conversation about that right now, guys, why 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: would you. 170 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: But hold on, let me just ask you that because, look, 171 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: I think as a matter of principle, I think, as 172 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: a matter of principle, if you believe, as both Buck 173 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: and I do that Donald Trump is being prosecuted to 174 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: a large extent for political based reasons, something that has 175 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: never happened in the two hundred and forty plus year 176 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: history of the United States. That we are setting an 177 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: awful precedent here, and I think it's important to look 178 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: at this even before the case has taken place. You've 179 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: read the indictment. You know what the allegations are. They 180 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: are serious. But to me, what is gained by allowing 181 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump to be put in prison in the event 182 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: he was convicted, is we lose infinitely more by not 183 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: just taking a principled stand and saying, as a matter 184 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: of principle, this shouldn't happen. 185 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow it. To me. 186 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: If you're the executive, you are the ultimate decider, with 187 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: all due respect. When you you aren't telling us what 188 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: your decision would be, I think you're dodging the question 189 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: and and frankly not stepping up on the on the 190 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: front of leadership, which in the past you've been willing 191 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: to do so to me, not answering as a no. 192 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: Well, look, number one, I don't think you know what 193 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: the president's defense is, do you. I mean, what are 194 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: the facts. I mean, look, we either believe in our 195 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: judicial process in this country or we don't. We either 196 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: stand by the rule of law we don't. I just 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: what I would tell you is, I think as someone. 198 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing is you're find with Donald Trump 199 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: being put in prison, sir, and that to me, since 200 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: you were his vice president, feels pretty disrespectful. 201 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: I had a standard rule. I don't know about hypotheticals. Look, 202 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: we don't know what the president's defense here is. I 203 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: think he's entitled to make his defense, entitled to have 204 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 3: his day in court. And uh, look, let's you know, 205 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: let's take it one step at a time. But I 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: would just tell you that I I but if you. 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: Know that these are pulling charges and you do, this 208 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: is not this is not a difficult decision. 209 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: I think we've made. 210 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: I think we've gotten. I think we've gotten what we're 211 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: going to get here. In terms of an answer to 212 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: this one. 213 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think any I think any conclusion by 214 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: anyone running for the presidency of the United States that 215 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: would prejudge the facts in this case, or prejudge the 216 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: investigation into President Biden or his family, it's premature. Let's 217 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: let Let's let the process play out, Let's follow the facts, 218 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: and I promise you, as president of the United States, 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: I'll do just that. 220 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: What would you do differently from either Trump or any 221 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 4: of the other Republicans running, sir? What where where do 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 4: you differentiate yourself? I mean, because for me, if you 223 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: feel like the four years under Trump were so great, well, 224 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: then why why run yourself? If if the guy who 225 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 4: was at the top of the ticket is running again, 226 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? I mean, honestly, I'm curious 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: about that. 228 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a great question. Look, you know, 229 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: I joined the Republican Party when Ronald Reagan was in 230 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: the White House. You guys are probably in great school 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: at the time ran for office the first time when 232 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: he was when he was actually in his last year 233 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: in office. I joined the Reagan Revolution. I'm some of 234 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: that believes that in a strong national defense, in American 235 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: leadership in the world. I think we are the leader 236 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: of the free world, the arsenal of democracy. And when 237 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: I hear the former president and others, frankly in this 238 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: race that are minimizing America's leading role in the world 239 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: and talking about pulling back or can't decide who should 240 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: win after Russia's unconscionable invasion into Ukraine. I push back 241 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: on that. I think we have an obligation to provide 242 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: the soldiers of Ukraine with the resources they need to 243 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: go and win that fight and repel the Russian invasion. 244 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: I also think that's the best way to send a 245 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: message to the Chinese that would diminish their military ambition. Secondly, look, 246 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: we are facing a debt crisis in this country the 247 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: likes of which we have never seen. We have a 248 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: national debt the size of our nation's economy for the 249 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: first time since World War II, and it's about the 250 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: increase by a factor of five times. If we're not 251 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: willing to engage the American public and bring principled and 252 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: compassionate reforms to the entitlements that are driving three quarters 253 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: of our national debt now, Joe Biden's policy is insolvency. 254 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: Though frankly, Donald Trump's policy is the same as Joe 255 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: Biden is. Neither one of them are even willing to 256 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: talk about the national debt, talk about bringing common sense 257 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 3: reforms of social security and medicare. I will, I have 258 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: been will continue to. Finally, Look, I'm pro life. I 259 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: don't apologize for it. I'm incredibly proud that our administration 260 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: appointed three of the justices that sent roversus way to 261 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: the ash heap of history where it belongs. We've got 262 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: this new era of life before us. And yet I 263 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: hear my former running mate talking about some pro life 264 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: measures being too harsh, suggesting that overturning Roe v. Wade 265 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: cost US elections in the midterm elections, and I see 266 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: other candidates beginning to shy away from the right to life. Look, 267 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: I believe the cause of life is the calling of 268 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: our time, and I'm going to continue to stand strong 269 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: with states around the country that are advancing protections to 270 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 3: the unborn. As President of the United States, I'll support 271 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: efforts to protect the sanctity of life at the federal 272 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: level as well. 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: Former President Vice President Mike Pence running for president. Appreciate 274 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: the time, sir. 275 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: Hey guys, thanks for having me on playing Buck. 276 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. 277 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: A lot of guys out there in the country, guess what. 278 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: They don't have the hutzpah, they don't have the testosterone, 279 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: they don't have the testicular fortitude that maybe they should think. 280 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: You know who, some of those people are a lot 281 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: of them in the Biden White House. That's why we 282 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: need more testosterone in this country. Leading ingredient. 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Choq 295 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: dot com my name Clay in the purchase process, the 296 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: truth compass pointing do right every day the Clay Travis 297 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: said Buck Sexton show. 298 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: Well, we just spoke to a Vice President Pence there. 299 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: We're getting a lot of comments from a lot of you. 300 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: Want to open up the lines to you eight hundred 301 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: two eight two two eight eight Q clearly not committing 302 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: to a pardon of Donald Trump, not not committing to it, 303 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: and not answering it one way or the Clay Will. 304 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: You got so fired up because I kept asking him 305 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: this same question. Buck, But I'm so fired up about this. 306 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: I think Mike Pence's campaign is over. I think he 307 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: just ended it in that interview because if your campaign, 308 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: let me just explain what my theory here, because I 309 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: think if your campaign is I'm the guy who will 310 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: stand on principle. I refuse to do what Donald Trump 311 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: wanted me to do on January sixth, because constitutionally I 312 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: didn't do it. I'll make the hard decisions and I 313 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: will stand on principle. I don't know how you can 314 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: stand on principle more than saying trying to put a 315 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: former president in prison for political reasons is wrong, and 316 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: I'll make the hard choice and keep him out of prison. 317 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Book Book. 318 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: He's he's the vice president of Trump, right, he's running 319 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: against Trump. That's never occurred in the history of our republic. 320 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: You want to talk about disloyalty, Okay, you asked him. 321 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: He's got an answer. He thinks they'll do a better job. 322 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't agree personally, but he would let his former 323 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: president be put in handcuffs by Joe Biden and won't 324 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: tell us. 325 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: I won't let that happen. That's done to me. 326 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: If they if they come after you, Clay, I promise 327 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: I'll part of you. 328 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I hand hand to God right now, 329 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: hand on the Bible. 330 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: If the Feds come after Clay with some politicized nonsense, 331 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 4: he's getting to pardon from president, but. 332 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let them put you in handcuffs and 333 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: and and and purp walk you into a prison. I 334 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 2: make that pledge to carry in your mom and dad 335 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: right now. He knew that question was coming, and my 336 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: mind is blown. We'll take some of your calls. Can 337 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: I just how does he not have an answer for that? 338 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean the answer is basically, he's not gonna pardon him. 339 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, this is why I'm just like that. 340 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: I think it's very clear. I think it's very clear 341 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: that you know he's he's not gonna wait. His answer, 342 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: to be fair is he won't give an answer on 343 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: this until we see the trial. That's his real answer. 344 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 4: But for a lot of us, it's what is that. 345 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: Just our BS already, like, I don't even need to 346 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: know the trial to know what I would do. 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Pound two five zero say Clay and bucks. 366 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Save an additional fifty percent off your first month Welcomeout 367 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: getting Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. A lot of you 368 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: want to weigh in on our interview with Mike Pence, 369 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: which I think will soon be ricocheting around the interwebs 370 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: and the cable news networks and beyond, and I'll just 371 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: let you guys react Again. I've been pretty straightforward. I 372 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: would pardon Donald Trump if I were president of the 373 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: United States. I think the principle of it is important 374 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: to set that we don't try to put political candidates 375 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: in jail for political process based crimes. 376 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. 377 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: Mike Pence claims that he is a candidate of principle, 378 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: and he certainly claims that based on his behavior. 379 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: On January sixth. 380 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: I think it's a matter of principle that you should, 381 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: if you're running as a Republican candidate, say that you 382 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: will pardon Donald Trump in the event that he's convicted. 383 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: I just don't see that as a difficult decision or choice. 384 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: And by the way, if you disagree, own it. I 385 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: think Pence sounded like a typical politician, and that's why 386 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: we kind of p on it. But a lot of 387 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: you want to weigh in. You can agree or disagree. Certainly, 388 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: the first amendments alive and well on this show. Who 389 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: is up first? 390 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: Here? 391 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: JC and Cincinnati. I believe Jac. What do you think? 392 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 5: Hi? 393 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 6: I couldn't agree with you more. On principle, I think 394 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 6: this interview you had with Pence was very revealing. You 395 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 6: could see right through him. I think he's completely out 396 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 6: of touch, and he's using tropes from the old Republican Party. 397 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 6: He's comparing himself to Ronald Reagan, which they all do, 398 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 6: which they have no right to do. They're hiding behind 399 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 6: right to life, They're hiding behind all kinds of things 400 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 6: in order to not answer questions. He's an old rhino 401 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 6: with McConnell and McCarthy, and you know, I'm just so 402 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 6: sick and tired of it. I'm tired of hearing these things. 403 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 6: I'm forty three years old, I'm the same age as 404 00:20:54,280 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 6: you guys, and his quipped about you being young and uh, well, 405 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 6: Ronald Reagan was in office is foolish and demeaning, and 406 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 6: I think he's got to go on principle. The principle 407 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 6: matter is these people are using the law and executing 408 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 6: in a way that's unlawful, and that's what we say 409 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 6: when we say no, that's wrong. He should be parted. 410 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: I think, thank you God. 411 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: I think do you think he was a little bit 412 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: rattled there, Buck, because when he said, you guys are 413 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: probably still in grade school. We were, We were young 414 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: when Ronald Reagan was president. Guess what, we also have 415 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: the balls to say we would pardon Trump unlike Pence. 416 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: So maybe age doesn't factor in that much with who's 417 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: got a better legacy of Reagan? 418 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: Marty in Florida. Yeah, what do you got for us? 419 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: Marty? 420 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: Hey, Hey clam Brook, Hey clam Book, I love your show. 421 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 5: I just wanted to weigh in on what just happened 422 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 5: with Mike Pence. I believe that Mike Pence actually does 423 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 5: his own grave and this wolf culture, what we're going 424 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 5: through right now. I believe that the wolf community will 425 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 5: starve him to the hand, to the bottom of the 426 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 5: bare bone. He just showed that he doesn't know how 427 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: to make a decision in relation to something that is 428 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: at a serious magnitude. If Trump asks him to be 429 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 5: his VP, how can you how can you turn your 430 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 5: back on somebody? How can you not be able to 431 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: make a decision? When the rest of the country, everybody, 432 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 5: even certain Democrats, even though they're not or they're not 433 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 5: exposed to it publicly, they even agree that this is political. 434 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 5: So the whole country is content that this was the 435 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 5: political prosecution. Accept the Biden regime, accept the Bidens, and 436 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 5: with that it should be a slam done. It's a 437 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 5: no brainer. So what Mike Fince just told me was 438 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 5: he don't deserve my vote, he don't want my vote, 439 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 5: and he and he's been a politician for way too long, 440 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 5: which is really what he just showed us is that 441 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 5: some of these people they've been on Capitol Hill way 442 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 5: too long. It's time for them to go home. And 443 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 5: we got to put an age limit or a tenure 444 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 5: on how long these people who can be in on 445 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 5: Capitol Hill. Because he shouldn't even have made the statement that, well, well, 446 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 5: when you guys were in school, well I was going 447 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 5: to with the rigging. 448 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 7: That doesn't matter. 449 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 5: What matters is can you can You can't do what 450 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 5: America needs in order to put us back on the 451 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 5: right track. And if you keep closed the door on 452 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 5: what the what the Democrats have done to Donald Trump 453 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 5: and the presidency of the United States of America, then 454 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 5: you're not the person we need to have in the 455 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 5: Oval office. 456 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 4: Marty and Florida thank you for calling in, but he 457 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 4: appreciate it. Marty's got a lot of fire, a lot 458 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: of passion that I could tell you is no really, 459 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: It's reflected in all the emails we're getting to and 460 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 4: people are very fired up right now. 461 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: You know. 462 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: I think that one of the challenges for anybody who look. 463 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 4: I know, we did get some we got some people 464 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: called last week just to rewind the tape for a second, 465 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 4: who were very positively disposed toward the former vice president. 466 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: We did get those calls. Remember that did happen? And 467 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 4: I just think, though, in what world is Donald Trump 468 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: sitting in a prison set well, based on what the 469 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 4: charges are, never mind even if they're true or not, like, 470 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: just based on the kind of things that they said happen. 471 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 4: We know what they're saying happened, and what world wild 472 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: Trump sitting in a cell. Be a good thing for 473 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 4: the country, be a fair thing, be a just thing. 474 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 4: That's that's the challenge to me. This is not a 475 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 4: difficult question. 476 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: And the fact, I mean, Eddie and New York, what 477 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: did you think, right of the Penn's response there, Oh. 478 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Howard did. How Howard and Hollywood Floor a lot 479 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: of fellow Floridians today. What's up, Howard Berts. 480 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 7: I want to say one thing. I don't support Donald 481 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 7: Trump for president necessarily, but I really have issues with 482 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 7: what Mike Kent said. He's talking about the pencils principles 483 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 7: of democracy and there's no place in a democracy for 484 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 7: political persecution. So just for him to say he's, you know, 485 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 7: supporting the principles of democracies and not recognize that Meret 486 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 7: Stalin is going against all the principles about democracy. So 487 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 7: for him to not go against that and did not 488 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 7: be able to say I would, I would not, I 489 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 7: would call it. Trump to me says she's not really 490 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 7: with the times that it's not the right person for president. 491 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Howard. 492 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 4: I just say it also whenever I start hearing look 493 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 4: that the debt is super important, but no one really 494 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: you know, there are other things that feel more imminent 495 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 4: right now for the country to fix and more realistic 496 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: for the country to fix. It's a little bit like 497 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: remember we Paul played Paul Ryan, I think it was yesterday. 498 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 4: He said, you know, I don't really care about the 499 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 4: culture wars. I just want to confront China and deal 500 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: with the debt. It's like, well, he did neither of 501 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 4: those things when he was Speaker of the House, and 502 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: we've gained really very little ground on either of those things, 503 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 4: with the exception of Trump and his policy towards China 504 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: on trade, not on the debt. Though we can all 505 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: do the math. We can all look at the debt 506 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 4: clock and understand what's going on. So yeah, I think 507 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: people have to understand we're in it. We're in a 508 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: country now where they're going to lock up people that 509 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 4: disagree with them. I mean, to me, that's the most 510 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 4: fundamental issue you can possibly have, the most fundamental issue. Yes, So, 511 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 4: I mean we're to lock people up because you don't 512 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: like them, and find excuses to lock them. 513 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: You can always find that excuse to lock somebody up. 514 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: We've talked about this, was it Harvey's silver Gate. I 515 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: think Three Felonies A Day wrote a book about this 516 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: many years ago. How people commit crimes. 517 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: They don't even realize a're comitting crimes, but a fair prosecutor, 518 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 4: if there's no injury, no bad thing happens, they go okay, Well, 519 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: you know, we're going to let that go based on 520 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: the common sense understanding of whether you should actually lock 521 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: somebody in a sell or not. But that's changed now. 522 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 4: That's changed now, and at a time when we're seeing 523 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: some of these political issues, you know, they're already they're 524 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 4: already looking at more laws, Clay. I mean not to 525 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: just bring this into the transgender youth debate right away, 526 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: but parents are going to find themselves in the wrong 527 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 4: side of the law in some of these blue states 528 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: if they don't want their kids to have transgender surgery. 529 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me, you're gonna walk away from that fight. 530 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: You're gonna that doesn't matter to you. Right So the 531 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: legal fight, to me, becomes central to everything else, because 532 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 4: if you can't win on that, how are you gonna win. 533 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: You're never gonna have the power, You're never gonna have 534 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 4: the political sway to be able to tackle things like 535 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 4: confronting China. 536 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: I just come back, buck. 537 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: Mike Pence's entire campaign is predicated on I'm the guy 538 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: who will stand on principle. That is his entire campaign. 539 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: I don't know how you can more stand on principle 540 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: than by saying I'm not going to let a chief 541 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: political adversary of the person in charge be put in 542 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: cuffs and put in prison. 543 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: I just I question why Mike. 544 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: Pence is even running for president if that's his answer 545 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 2: on a question, which it clearly was, and by the 546 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: way he is, he owes the reason that he can 547 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: run for president to Donald Trump selecting him to be president. 548 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: It's not like if he hadn't been vice president that 549 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 2: some random governor of Indiana or whatever, senator or whatever 550 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: Pence is is going to have a profile to even 551 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: have people care about him at all without Trump. 552 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: He's Asa Hutchinson. Right. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry for We're 553 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: the podcast. 554 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I could have a higher percentage 555 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: to be president of the United States right now than 556 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 2: Asa Hutchinson. 557 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: Right. 558 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: Pence is Asa Hutchinson, but for Trump elevating him and 559 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 2: putting him on a national ticket. So the idea that 560 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: you would let the man you served as president be 561 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: put in cuffs and put in prison for the rest 562 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 2: of his life if you were president, I'm sorry, to me, 563 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: that's a disqualifying answer. I don't dislike Mike Pence, but 564 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: I don't see how any Republican in the country any 565 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: actual Republican could vote for him based on the answer 566 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: that he gave on this show. I mean maybe if 567 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: you hate Trump, But if you truly hate Trump, I 568 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: don't really think you're a publican. I think you're the 569 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: Lincoln Project. You might prefer somebody else. You might like 570 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: to say, Atis or Tim Scott or Nikki Haley or 571 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: anybody out there. Well, I mean there is there's a 572 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: difference between. You know, some people were saying everyone needs 573 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: to like not campaign anymore and just yeah, Raly behind Trump. No, 574 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: that's that's actually not a fair thing. That's not a 575 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: fair standard or a smart standard. But would you pardon 576 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: Trump if. 577 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: This thing goes all the way and you happen to 578 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: become the next president for any of the candidates. It's 579 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: not only a fair question, I think it's become an 580 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: essential question. And I think we're all seeing why that is. 581 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: Can I just put this out there if anyone disagrees 582 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: or likes the truck? Can we can we put that 583 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 4: out Well, let's see if anyone will call in, because 584 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: we have endless people that are calling in that feel 585 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 4: like there was a dodge there. Does anyone think that 586 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: that they agree with the Pen's answer. 587 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: Maybe you think that I was too aggressive in the questioning, 588 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: you're free to say like, hey, Clay, I didn't think 589 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: you handled it that well. Right, I mean, it's again 590 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: the first amendments alive. And well you're not going to 591 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: agree with every single thing. You shouldn't every single thing 592 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: that's said on this program, or every thing that's said 593 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: by a. 594 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: Guest or certainly a caller. And you can also send 595 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 4: us an email at Clayanbuck dot com. Please become a 596 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: v IP and I look, you know, Clay was salty today, 597 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 4: but he was a little salty yesterday. Everybody making fun 598 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: of the elevated treadmill walking community. All right, he's playing. 599 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: For people who are your age, not elderly people. I 600 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: just didn't expect, n all right, a treadmill. 601 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: But I get I'm in my forties now, and I 602 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 4: get knee pain and shoulder pain and other things too, 603 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 4: like everybody else. 604 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: All right, just gonna put this out there. 605 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: Everyone who wrote in was like, I think walking on 606 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 4: the treble's great exercise, and the science agrees with you. 607 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 4: But look, regardless of whatever you do with the gym, 608 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 4: chances are you're going to experience some pain. 609 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: And soreness. 610 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: I certainly do, but thanks to our friends at relief Factor, 611 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be so bad. 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Become 649 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 4: a VIP. If you want to email us, go to 650 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 4: Clayanbuck dot com for that one. We got a bunch 651 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: of emails in this one. This one, this one landed. 652 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 4: Clay effectively ended Mike Pence's presidential campaign. Pence will poll 653 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: lower than Kamala in South Carolina in twenty nineteen. Clay 654 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: is a hero. Buck was like a ref at an 655 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 4: mma fight when the loser is on the ground getting bummeled. 656 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: Clay had Mike on the ground, was ploodying him. Buck 657 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 4: came in and pulled Clay off of traitor Mike. 658 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I was, I had not Like, I'm still 659 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: fired up that Pence's answer is as bad and unprincipled 660 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: as it was, and a Buck A lot of times 661 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: when I'm listening, I'm also thinking, like if we feel 662 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: very fortunate to get to talk and interview people who 663 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: want to be president of the United States, but that 664 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: sometimes means you have to press them on questions because 665 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: as you all know, everybody, all these politicians are very 666 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: skilled at getting into their talking points. And Pence kept dodging, 667 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: and when you dodge, Look, if he had come out 668 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: we were talking about this off air Buck, if he 669 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: had come out and just said, as a matter of principle, 670 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: I think Trump is the wrong choice for America. I 671 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: will not pardon him. He should have to reef the 672 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: consequences of his behavior. I would disagree, but that's an answer. 673 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: And if he had said, as a matter of principle, 674 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe anyone should be prosecuted politically like this, 675 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: and they should not be allowed to be sent to prison. 676 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: Would It's obviously the opinion I have. But to do 677 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: this mealy mouthed, middle of the road answer, which is 678 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: total and frankly, I think is disrespectful of both us 679 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: asking the question, but more than that and more importantly 680 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: of the audience that is out there to make a 681 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 2: decision about who you support. I just I'm still flabbergasted 682 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: that he was that bad at responding. 683 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: Okay, so we have one, we put it out, and 684 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 4: we're only going to take calls from people that want 685 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 4: to take an alternative, alternative point of view right now 686 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: about either the Penn's candidacy or how that interview went. 687 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: Matt in your town, Virginia. What have you got for. 688 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 6: Us, Matt claim book? 689 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 5: Good happen? 690 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: I make this quick. 691 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 6: I don't agree with Pence. 692 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 3: I think he should have answered, But if he genuinely 693 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 3: has a policy or habit of not commenting on hypotheticals 694 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 3: like you point it out, then I think he does 695 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 3: have an out there. 696 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: If it's genuine, let me just push back a little 697 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: bit on that. 698 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: It's not a hypothetical now, that the indictment is out 699 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: and he's read the indictment. When you are charged with 700 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: a criminal offense, you're either not guilty, in which case 701 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: you walk away as a free man, or you're guilty 702 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: and they put handcuffs on you and you go to prison. 703 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: So it isn't hypothetical to know that there is a 704 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: very strong chance that Trump could be convicted and put 705 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: in prison. So I understand, like hypothetically, before the charges 706 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 2: were filed, I would have a little bit more respect 707 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 2: for that answer, but I don't have any respect for 708 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: it now. Frankly, I think you have to make a choice. 709 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: That's what being a politician's about. Letting us know what 710 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: your choices are and what your leadership decisions would be, 711 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: and we don't we'll have to agree with them. I mean, look, 712 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 2: every president makes one hundred and a thousand decisions every day, 713 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: whatever the number is. 714 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: We're not all going to agree with everyone. 715 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: But I think you owe it to the audience to 716 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: be honest about your opinions on the biggest issues, and 717 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: this is the biggest issue right now, all right. 718 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 4: Matt, Okay, Well, Matt, yeah, Matt, Matt. Look, Matt, Matt's 719 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 4: just saying that if he has a rule, maybe he's 720 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 4: sticking to that rule. But Clay, Clay, don't make me 721 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 4: have to pull you off another person. 722 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: Here, don't. 723 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm still fired up about this, Like Buck, this is 724 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 2: a matter of such principle to me, you can't let 725 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 2: the president be put in handcuffs and put in print 726 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: by his political opposition. I feel like I'm taking crazy 727 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: pills sometimes because this is such an awful precedent. And 728 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: by the way, you can disagree with me, I would 729 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: apply it for Democrats too. I don't want the idea 730 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 2: being set that everybody who runs for political office suddenly 731 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 2: has to risk being in prison for the rest of 732 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 2: their lives. 733 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be interesting when we have Chris 734 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 4: Christie on the show and you ask him this question, 735 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 4: because uh, you know, that's you know, separating you tube. 736 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if I don't know if I have 737 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 4: the forearm strength for it. I mean, that's that's gonna be. 738 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 4: That's gonna be tough. But because I think he's I 739 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 4: don't want to put words in his mouth. I think 740 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 4: he's gonna go in the Trump deserves it direction. I 741 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 4: don't know, We'll see, but we're gonna have. 742 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: Aim idle to that opinion own it. Don't be dishonest 743 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: to this audience if he thinks that Trump should go 744 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: to prison, and he's running for the Republican nomination, Chris 745 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 2: Christy should tell this audience that's his right. 746 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: Christy, he's gonna join us some point.