WEBVTT - MJGMB #171: Finals, Trade Talk and Finales with Harrison Faigen 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.320 Did you see you know that Rest in Peace Boso 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.520 the James Worthy meme? 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:10.400 Yeah? 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.880 Yeah, did you know what that clip is from? 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:15.320 Uh? 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.600 Isn't it from they beat the Celtics and he lit 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:18.239 up a cigar? 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.720 The common misconception? 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.480 That's what Javari said. You know how sad this one is. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.960 It's from February fourth, twenty eighteen where twenty one and 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.360 thirty one Lakers beat the Oklahoma City Thunder one O 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:34.560 eight one oh four. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.919 Yeah that's right. Yeah, so yeah, we're smoking on that 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.560 loud pack because. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.760 Man, but I totally thought that there was when you 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.839 said it was Satdur, I thought it was going to 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.440 be like a red hourback died and he was doing 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:52.319 a tribute to him on air crip and people are like, oh, like, yeah, 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.760 let's put rest in Peace Boso. Yeah, you know that 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.440 is probably the energy James would bring to that tribute. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.440 But you know, but it's even funnier because they're like, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.000 you're saying, recipe because we beat the thirty and twenty 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.600 fourth Thunder at the time. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.880 They were only thirty twenty four. Then yeah, what a time? 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.399 But time you guys want me to record locally? Right? 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:13.680 Yes? 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.520 Please Okay, should I just start that now or okay 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:18.240 if you wire? 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.600 I think I think we can prolong the show. If 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:27.200 we don't turn this show in, we don't wait Yeah, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.759 it's like it's like yeah, no. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.640 Guys, we're still recording it, just problem as we go. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.800 Don't even trying it. We're trying to get it done. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.840 Steve, I know you're gonna have to render my Yeah, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.200 yeah one more time, guys. Yeah we still we got 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.399 edits and stuff on this. Is that really like Philibus 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.080 Spring or like yeahs our yeah yeah. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly ship Alex Caruso. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.560 He was a minus three on the night. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.440 M James is like, the guy's a bum. Guy's a 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.200 boom rest of piece, bozone. I'm out of here, resting 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:05.160 peace bow So Tucker better tucking into some Tim Wharton's. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.000 That's been my time. That's been my time. We're honor. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.679 This isn't a comedy club, sir, you're the defendant. Okay, sorry, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:15.920 all right, that's been my time. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.280 All right, that's been my time. You're honor. Tipperators on 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:19.880 the well. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.400 Well well well, well well. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:34.960 Well and finally, well well well, episode one seventy one. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.000 If I met a lot of people who make it 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.399 to one seventy one. No, no, A lot of people 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.120 wouldn't think we would make it to two. Do you 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.400 know how Parson? You know how old Elvis was when 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.240 he died. Don't look it up. Don't look it up. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.480 Fifty I was. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:51.600 Gonna say, fifty five. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.280 Who's forty two? 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.959 He looked bad. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:06.160 I don't know fourth too, it's so ye. But look 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.080 at us, look at early. Some of us are over 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.840 that age. And yet we made it to one hundreds 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:12.280 every one episodes and lot's right. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:13.520 Nobody said we could do it. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.680 Nobody said so. But at the end of the season, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.560 we do have a champion. It's the Oklahoma City Thunder. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.560 They took care of business in Game seven, although. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.239 It was a kind of a downer Game seven. I 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.080 must say sad game seven. Normally I don't expect my 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:29.400 Game seven is to be sad. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:30.480 It was no games. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:35.120 It was definitely I think, overshadowed by the Halberd injury. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.520 But also we've got Katie trade news if that interests you, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.400 and maybe talking about the future of the Lakers. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.840 I don't know who knows her this. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.040 Is going because baby, this is the last episode. 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.440 Of I'm Miles Great and I'm Jack O'Brien and this. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:57.400 Is Miles and Jack got bad Boostingtory get it. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:05.520 Look at the East Okay, be driving Spinny. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:07.800 Fatter numbers, p G. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:21.880 That's good show something short, champion over the double team time. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:23.280 What you got guys? 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.840 Wow, we got it, We got it and luckily did it. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.400 And you know who we got on the guest chair, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.440 The associate director of Pro Basketball for ASBI Nation, Harrison Bacon. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:39.440 Finishing things off on Boost. He's like Kobe dropping sixty, 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.000 taking another fingers journey taking a. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.800 Lot of people have been calling me washed all year, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.839 but I think I got one laugh good performance than me. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.839 You got now we believe you. We didn't call you 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.600 in for nothing, Harrison. I called you in to tell 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.480 me that the Lakers will win next season. That's actually 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.880 what I repeatedly called the final for himself on the show. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.440 Yeah. And then it'll be Lakers six or right in 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.279 the finals next season. Yeah, yeah, that's what we said. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.240 I mean, So this is this is why so the 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.360 people a lot of people are asking why is the 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.880 show ending? Miles and I did make a promise to 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.599 each other. Yep, if by the third season of the show, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.000 it's not the Lakers and the seventy six ers in 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:21.320 the finals, then we would end it yeah and get 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:26.880 married yeah instead, And so thanks didn't happen, I don't think. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.440 But Harrison will be the efficient, so we do. We 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:30.240 do appreciate that. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.240 But I guess, yeah, the finals, just touching up on 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.440 that game seven. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.880 Game seven, baby, yeah. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.839 I mean at this point, I'm sure no one's tuning 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:42.839 into this episode. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:47.160 So here what happened seven and six? What if somebody 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.120 just the only way they found out about NBA basketball 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:51.560 was listening to this podcast. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.920 Are something, no, legit, there are probably one person at least, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.960 there's all other one or something yeah no, and other 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.240 listeners from other shows we do are like, yeah, I 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.280 like the basketball one too, Like I get to learn 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.640 stuff about it. Brian the editor says, you're editor, perhaps, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.279 oh yeah, yeah. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.240 Brian didn't know the NBA was the thing. He was like, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.680 so this show is being this show's ended because the 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.040 NBA stopped having a league, right, And we're. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.680 Like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.240 how that works at all, my dear sweet child. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.120 Yeah, basketball shutting down everyone. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.960 We did it it was a good one. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.680 I do like this clip the super producer Jabbari and 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.240 once again we shouted him out last week. But Super 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:38.200 the man, the show run man who makes it good, uh, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.920 who makes it coherent? Coherent? Yes, he found a great 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.200 clip of Sam Presty that I wanted to play real quick. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:46.600 If we do, we are we able to play it? 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:47.240 Do? 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.560 We got this clip real quick, We got that clipt 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.120 this clip here we go. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:53.960 Here is by the way, we were able to like 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.040 play NBA clips this whole time, and we just like didn't, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.960 as I said, because we couldn't, because we couldn't shut 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.720 ourselves up. So well, you know, I remember when when 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:05.640 we were trying, we're. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:12.239 Like, oh, We're like, this is not outbad so sick? 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.840 Oh John, No, yeah no. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.880 And that's that's That's kind of how the running commentary was. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.920 But here's Sam Presty in twenty twenty one, just given 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.120 a long view into the future. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.480 As I said earlier, we can't be reactionary or emotional 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.880 about it. We just have to keep chipping away every 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.520 single day, knowing that over time will achieve our goals. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.760 If we have the ployse the patients and the willingness 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.120 to adjust to the setbacks that we know will inevitably encounter. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.520 As they say, shortcuts cut long, run short, and we're 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.760 going to do everything in our power not to allow 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.000 that to happen. And when we do get back to 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:53.280 the postseason, we want it to be an arrival and 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:57.440 not an appearance and arrival meaning that we can return, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.240 we can be there, we can take some you know, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.000 some chance or bad fortune and not have it sink 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:03.840 us in completely. 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.040 We've seen the benefit of that, and you. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.080 Know, during our our earlier years, we don't want a 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.680 position where we get there but we have no way 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.880 to get back. And that's the focus and the precision 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.080 with which we're working. We understand the ecosystem of the NBA, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.239 I think very very well. We understand how that works. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.200 We understand what we have to work with, and I 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.200 feel extremely confident and optimistic about the future that we 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.880 have here. We just have to continue to stick with it. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.440 Okay. So that's him. So, by the way, the architect 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.480 of the Oklahoma City Thunder who just won the title, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.080 speaking in uh at the end of the twenty twenty 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.080 twenty twenty one season, this is my impression of me 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.600 after he said that, okay, Boso whatever. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:54.360 Fifty one. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.800 Yeah, okay, so a little contact. They were twenty two 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.000 and fifty one. Yep, that's every year. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.880 That was year that Shae missed like the whole second 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.000 half of the season or some big chunk of it, right, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.240 and the year that they, you know, sort of took 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.160 in al Horford and then shut him down because he 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.880 was playing too well before flipping him to the Celtics. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.120 So yeah, I found an article where they were summarizing 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.720 that that's like his final media appearance of the twenty 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.679 twenty twenty one season. And there's like this article in 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.240 USA Today where they're like, so he like doesn't want 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.760 like there's so many great players on the market and 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.560 like they're not even gonna do anything. Quote with Bradley Beal, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.480 Kemba Walker, Christaph's Porzingis and even Damian Lillard floating in 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.560 the rumor mill the Oklahoma City Thunder have started to pop 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.520 up around social media and think pieces, but it's highly 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.280 unlikely the Thunder trade for one of these players and 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.040 then summarizing like he's you know, he spoke to the 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.720 mediaan was like we're good over here, and yeah, he 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:51.120 talks to. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.480 The media for like like three hours at the end 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.080 of every season. He'll just take like every single possible 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:56.920 question they have. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.720 Yeah, well I would have been I would have been 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.040 one of the people being like really, here's from later 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.079 in that article about bial Bal has averaged more than 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.640 thirty points per game for two seasons in a row. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.320 He did this while shooting forty eight point five percent 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.080 this season despite defenders draped around him, which was like, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.560 the thing about bial is like, you gotta get Bal 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.440 because his team is so bad and yet he's scoring 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.520 all these points. That must mean that it is extra hard. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.400 But yeah, stuck to his vision truly, just I don't know, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:33.480 and everybody in the organization was willing to have the 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.400 patience Like it's it's tough, I understand it. It's easy 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.560 to be like everybody should have patience and just like 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.200 let the vision play out. The problem with that is like, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.200 what if the person you're having patience with is an idiot, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.920 you know, then you've wasted five years. So that's the 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.560 problem with patience. But they got up to the bulls, 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.040 you know, they stuck with it. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.880 You know, they've they've been really patient, and it seems 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.880 like it's with the wrong. 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.480 Guy patient, you know, going nowhere. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:03.360 Yeah, KD. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.160 I feel like the KD Russ hardened Core made it 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.800 easy on them because like they were like, all right, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.600 this guy might know what he's talking about, so we'll 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:17.880 let him not go after Damian Lillard, Kemba Walker, Bradley 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.800 Beale and Porzingis. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.000 I mean it's sild that that is, like that's like 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.000 the Grim Reaper knocking at the door meme of names. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.160 You know, it's like every literally any of those guys 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.320 would have destroyed this title run. I think because of 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.280 how much they're making and like how many you know, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.680 how much flexibility. The Thunder wouldn't have had to go 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.559 get guys like Alex caruso Isa Heart and seen all 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.080 that stuff. Like it just would have made them a 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.880 totally different team with any of those guys and probably 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.760 torpedoed this run before it began. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.640 Yeah, I'm just so impressed, you know, like because in 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:54.160 the era of impatient front offices, impatient owners, impatient fans 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.480 that just this truly like this is the philosophy we're 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.240 sticking to and see it pay off just like in 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:01.600 this spectacular way. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.439 Where does this like even rank. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.880 With other executives who are like, here's my thing. We're 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.000 gonna try this, and I think it's gonna work, and 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.280 I think this is actually gonna bring sustainable you know, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.920 performances to this club, this franchise. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.800 I feel like it's pretty similar to like Brad Stevens, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.679 like in that, you know, having a singular vision that 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.720 they stuck with for for a period of time in 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.920 Boston and like them winning the title last year, but 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.960 even they are not like it feels like he's the 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.840 only person who has them, Like who was talking about aprons, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.360 because like he, they just seem so well set up 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.840 and the rest of the league is like now being like, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.040 oh no, oh, we're gonna have to trade some of 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.319 our guys who like are good all right, and they 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.640 just seem like they've got it, like just a nesting 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.400 doll of like you know, people coming of age at 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.400 the right time in contracts like feeding into one another. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.880 It sort of reminds me of where Presty came from 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.480 the Spurs. It's you know, when they had their dynasty 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.000 going on and they were just like they were drafting 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.400 guys and just bring them in and developing them and 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.840 sort of cost controlling them and again different CBA to 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.600 you know, you could pay to keep a man Whu 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.360 and you know Tony Parker and a Tim Duncan and 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.440 you know, uh and a Kawai and all these guys. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.960 But it does it's reminiscent of that of like, hey, 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.000 we're not going to get necessarily get stars to come 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.320 here in free agency or demand a trade to end 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.840 up here, and so we just need to take all 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.079 the bets on young talent that we can and figure 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:33.800 out who works. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.319 Yeah, and it sounds like I was just like having 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.360 really dedicating the like the culture of the players too, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.560 because this isn't like a team with a like stars 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.679 in that sense, like with egos like that. And I 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.360 feel like, yeah, it's yeah, it's hard to have that 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:46.720 kind of thing. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.280 Especially they all talk like Coach Carter, like Friday Night 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.360 Lights character, just like it's an entire team of just 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.200 like coach speak. It's like they all talk exactly like 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.840 Presty from the coach down to the players and all 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.360 that stuff. So you know, really it's really culture of 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:07.080 saying absolutely nothing interesting ever, and so maybe that's the lesson. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.199 Not a lot of familiar names on that roster from 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:14.600 that year when he's given that speech. But Shay Gilles, Alexander, Louguentz, Dort, Lugats, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.480 lou Dort and the coach were all there. And you know, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.160 despite the fact that their offensive raiding was thirtieth of thirty, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.440 their overall rating was like thirtieth of thirty, defensive rating 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.200 was twenty fourth, net rating thirtieth of thirty in the league, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:33.600 like the worst in the league. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.640 They were real bad that year. There were a lot 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.080 of guys playing that are I'm guessing or not in 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.040 the league anymore? 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.560 Four years ago, five years ago, like four years ago, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.520 they were the worst in the league. They didn't land Jannis, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.000 They didn't like just suddenly pull one of the great players. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.320 They had the best player that currently was on their 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.320 team when they won the title a few days ago. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.920 He was on their team that year. He was hurt, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.760 but like he was, he was there and nobody was 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.800 saying anything except like, man, he's actually like developing into 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.880 a nice little player. But nobody was like, this is 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.440 the core that right, and. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.800 Maybe he could make an All Star team one day, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.000 you know, in the right year. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.720 SG and lou Dort were not Nobody was like, that's 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.520 the core. That there's your core. The core is in place, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.600 and yeah, you know, it's pretty impressive what they just 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.400 pulled off. So shout out to the Thunder Shout out 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.640 to the Thunder fans, Shout out to Sonic fans going back, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.840 anybody who's stuck with them. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.720 A crossover. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.960 Yeah, yeah, a lot of angry SONI shout Sonic fans 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.560 who are because mainly that's what I identify with is 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.080 a spite as an NBA fan. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.640 Not only did your team move, but they moved with 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.560 like maybe the best NBA GM ever running the team 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.080 and like apparently patient owners and like all that, like 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.440 everything that you would want from your team, and they're 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:01.840 just like, you know, we're just gonna take this and 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.920 move it to Oklahoma City. But you can watch from afar. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.680 It's fine, you know. That's I I can't even imagine 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.720 how I would feel as a Sonics fan today. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.400 Yeah, should we should we move to the other side 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.560 of the ball because I can't remember a runner up 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.800 that is as memorable as this Pacers team? Yeah for real? 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.640 Maybe yeah, no one remembers the second place, but I 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.440 don't know. Yes, I feel like, yeah, let's say, we'll 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:40.160 be right, and we're back. We're back. I do feel 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.680 like more than football, I do remember the NBA runners up. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.880 Is that just because I like basketball better than football? 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.600 I think so, But probably all the like. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.240 I remember all the teams that Jordan beat to win 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.920 the title. You know, those were all like fairly iconic 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.720 in my guys, in your. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.760 Guys, yeah, the bad guys in the documentary, you know, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.440 these are the guys that are trying to kill Michael 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.120 Jordan midair and then the yeah, and then they cut 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.720 back and he's like, you know, I just popped my 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.240 leg back into place. I ate some food, poison pizza, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:14.520 and just got back back out there. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:19.560 You know, the Pacers were so memorable, Like I can't 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.840 remember a team having a run like this that felt 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.359 this out of nowhere, like heading into the playoffs. I 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.400 don't like, they just like had a magic about them 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.639 that like started coming out in the playoffs. I know 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.120 they were playing well. I don't think anybody saw this, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.320 Like where does this rank on like second place like 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.680 teams that lost in the finals for you in terms 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.840 of like how memorable they are? 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.520 Harrison, you know, honestly, the team that comes to mind 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.360 as a memorable second place finisher is actually the thunder 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.480 from when they lost to the Heat, because it was like, hey, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.639 look at these young guys. It's clear that the you know, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.640 they have something cooking here. They're going to be back 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.480 a bunch more times, right, And then they never were, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.960 and but it that was a fairly memorable team. They 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.080 upset the Spurs. You know, they had again it was 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.600 like young KD, Young Russ. It's like the teams don't 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.080 win when they're this young, and they ended up not winning, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.560 but they were really good. And I do remember that 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.199 team from that year quite a bit. I'm trying to. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.320 I mean, I guess maybe either the Spurs or the 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.920 Heat from their finals battles, you know, those were both 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.800 sort of like, you know, like the year the Spurs 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.840 came up short in Game seven. They were obviously a 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.840 memorable runner up, but. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.639 It's always like iconic teams that like you had a 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.600 sense we're going to be there coming into the playoffs. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.879 So this was like such a weird like almost like 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.520 NC double a tournament esque like Cinderella run that just 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.200 like came up. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.200 It felt like they were actually a great comp They 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.760 were primed for a DVD basically, you know, really season, 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.959 They're like when. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.640 TJ McConnell scored like five times in a row, it's like, 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:54.359 what is it? 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:55.000 Like? 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.679 What is I'm gonna love watching this scene in the 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.400 documentary that's in never able about this run. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.480 But yeah, just another achilles injury. Miles. As you pointed 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.160 out to an All Star who wears the number zero 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.720 the third one of these playoffs. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.520 I was just being like, what's with the number zero 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.800 this year? I mean, I Kyrie doesn't wear zero. But 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.320 I think maybe, look in my mind, maybe it's the 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.360 one weird note thing I noticed and as it happened, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.600 But maybe it's the low top sneakers. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.320 I don't know, man, I don't know. This is so weird. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.520 It's yeah, it was where do you land with the 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:31.320 Achilles of it all? 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.639 Yeah, I just think that it's you know this has 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.199 been said before, but it's that the sport is so 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.600 different than it ever was in you know, the years 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.200 when sort of like we were talking about like the 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.080 Jordan year stuff like that, there wasn't this amount of 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.600 running around on defense, stop start, you know, rotations and 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.440 all of that stuff. And I do wonder if it's 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.240 just taking a toll on guy's bodies. And I also 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.760 remember reading like an ESPN story from Baxter Holmes a 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.720 number of years ago where it was like where it 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.600 was talking about how youth sports specialization is actually making 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.760 guys knees worse. This is like a documented thing because 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.560