Speaker 1: You know, when I get off the road, it's kind
Speaker 1: of just like, hey, don't die, so you can come
Speaker 1: back here in a couple of days and do this again.
Speaker 2: Episode four sixty nine. Nice Jackson Dene. What I did
Speaker 2: not mention in this interview because I'm sure he gets
Speaker 2: it every single interview he does, although I don't really
Speaker 2: does a lot of interviews. Do you know what I'm gonna say?
Speaker 2: His high school viral thing. Yeah, he went viral because
Speaker 2: he played football. He's a big dude, is his athletic dude.
Speaker 2: But he also played in the band, and he was
Speaker 2: playing in the band at halftime in his football uniform.
Speaker 2: And that's what that was a viral thing way back
Speaker 2: in the day, which I didn't bring up because I
Speaker 2: think we've talked about it on the show and I'm
Speaker 2: sure he gets it everywhere. Yeah, and I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: also like, hey, you know, I'm kind of over talking
Speaker 2: about that, but I didn't want to mention it here.
Speaker 2: The other thing that I did not bring up was
Speaker 2: when he was in high school. We didn't know this,
Speaker 2: but he dm the show. Oh yeah, yeah, going, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of the show. I'm doing music,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, am I any good? That
Speaker 2: type thing. We didn't know that until way later when
Speaker 2: he had his first hit and he was in and
Speaker 2: then we like tagged him on something because he was
Speaker 2: a guest on the show, and then we saw the
Speaker 2: message from years before and we're like, holy crap, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Jackson Dean. I Don't Come Looking was his number one
Speaker 2: song that's already been out on the back of My
Speaker 2: Dreams is the name of the new album that just
Speaker 2: came out on September sixth Luke Dick, who's been a
Speaker 2: guest here, and Luke Dick's hilarious and is also a
Speaker 2: great producer and writer. He produced it. Jackson is a
Speaker 2: writer on every single song. Jackson's out with Landy Wilson,
Speaker 2: He's doing dates with Miranda. I mean, he's really doing
Speaker 2: his own thing. Though he rotated the entire globe in March.
Speaker 2: He's a guy who, it's a cliche statement, walks by
Speaker 2: the beat of a different drum in a way that
Speaker 2: I can really appreciate because he just does his own thing.
Speaker 2: I think that's also what makes him a great artist.
Speaker 2: So he's twenty three years old, although you would think
Speaker 2: he could be one hundred and twenty three based on
Speaker 2: the maturity that he gives in demands back. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: forgot that too. Even talking about like a story's like
Speaker 2: on the road, I'm like, oh, he's probably been doing
Speaker 2: this for like fifteen years. He's twenty three, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: He's the youngest four kids. The album Green Broke came
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty two. That was his first album.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, let's just do it. Jackson Dean
Speaker 2: here he is, follow him at the Jackson Dean on
Speaker 2: Instagram and Jacksondan music dot com. Enjoy a right, Jackson,
Speaker 2: Good to see you, buddy. Did you get a haircut?
Speaker 1: No, it's in the top knote.
Speaker 2: Okay, of course it is, of course in the top knot.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you came in. I was like, dang, cut all
Speaker 2: his hair off.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've thought about it seriously for a few
Speaker 1: months now, but I can't bring myself to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh you're in that phase where you're constantly questioning should
Speaker 2: I cut off my hair?
Speaker 1: Well, it gets into that awkward phase and it starts
Speaker 1: bumping over your collar and then it just starts looking weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't have that face. I'm like cool enough
Speaker 2: to pull off the the long here. No, no, definitely
Speaker 2: not the long hair. My face is always should I
Speaker 2: get contacts again? But I hate wearing stuff in my
Speaker 2: eyes and have one eye that works, so then I
Speaker 2: wear one in one eye and then I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm lopsided the whole freaking time.
Speaker 1: Symmetrical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I won't get contacts and you won't cut
Speaker 2: your hair blood packed right here.
Speaker 1: I gave them to the first of the year, so
Speaker 1: I'll do it.
Speaker 2: To the first deal first of the year. I'll commit
Speaker 2: to that too.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: How's life, man? I haven't seen you in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what was the last time.
Speaker 2: I've been nine months or so.
Speaker 1: That's pretty right.
Speaker 2: When was that? I feel like the opery that when
Speaker 2: I see you, it's always like yeah, boom boom boom,
Speaker 2: Like you don't evenally get to talk. It's always like
Speaker 2: totally JAS will tell Buddy good to see you. Okay,
Speaker 2: I gotta go do my thing. You go do your thing.
Speaker 2: Isn't it cool that you get to do the opry though?
Speaker 2: It's awesome, like you just get to do the opry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's they're like, so when can you come back? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like okay, like compared to the first time that you
Speaker 2: were invited, I know, for me, like the third time
Speaker 2: I played it, it was like, oh, this is this
Speaker 2: is really fun because the first time, and I'd like
Speaker 2: to hear your experience the first time, at least for me,
Speaker 2: it was a big, holy crap night and there are
Speaker 2: people there that I care and it's a big to
Speaker 2: do for me to go on for twelve minutes when
Speaker 2: I normally if I'm touring doing stand up, I'm doing
Speaker 2: an hour show. But this is like everybody's there. You
Speaker 2: got a parking spot, they got a they made a cake,
Speaker 2: somebody made a cake. I don't know the cake came from.
Speaker 2: And it's like here we and then the lights and
Speaker 2: I can't even really see the people because I'm nervous.
Speaker 2: And you get off and you're like, how was it
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter. It's like you did awesome and
Speaker 2: I'm like, did I really? So all of that's one,
Speaker 2: two and then three is where you just get to
Speaker 2: get in your groove and be like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: just cool. So what was your first Opry experience like?
Speaker 2: And then now what's it like? Because I'm betting it's
Speaker 2: a little bit different now.
Speaker 1: The first time, man was a lot of pressure, as
Speaker 1: you can imagine. You know, I had touched that circle
Speaker 1: and one time before I was about fifteen, we flew
Speaker 1: down just to see what it was all about and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And so getting knowing that I was stepping in that
Speaker 1: circle holding to the deal that I made myself, the
Speaker 1: deal that I made with myself then that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: step back in that circle without a guitar was pretty
Speaker 1: heavy for me. And I took a minute to one
Speaker 1: last look at it before I did, Like, I didn't
Speaker 1: sound check in it or nothing. Really, I made sure
Speaker 1: that I didn't touch it. Yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: big thing for me, and they really do make it.
Speaker 1: They really do great job making fun. All the doors
Speaker 1: are open into the green rooms. You know, you can
Speaker 1: hear music throughout the entire place, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: really a lovely room to sing in. It really is,
Speaker 1: like they do such a great job. You just see
Speaker 1: the silhouettes and it goes all the way to the ceiling.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's really is magic. But I feel
Speaker 1: what you're saying though, like you get you get three
Speaker 1: songs quick and we're out here doing, you know, for
Speaker 1: five hours, hour and a half and like coming down
Speaker 1: after that is is always tough, you know. I love
Speaker 1: being in the Porta Wagoner room. And like the last
Speaker 1: time a couple weeks ago at the Opry, mom came,
Speaker 1: I flew down with a couple of girlfriends. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had twenty five people in Porter's room, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's always such a great time. But it's like, okay, everybody,
Speaker 1: we're at the Opry and this is like high stakes here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It just it's almost too It's like it gets in
Speaker 2: the best way. It starts to be normal because they
Speaker 2: treat you like you're just part of.
Speaker 1: The group when you they remember you when you come back, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they really do. And and playing with the playing with
Speaker 1: the Opery band, man, it's always it's such a different
Speaker 1: animal and it's so awesome to get to to get
Speaker 1: to do that with them because they one thing I've
Speaker 1: noticed is that they've taken my songs and not only
Speaker 1: put a saddle on them, but they've choked up on
Speaker 1: the reins on them a good bit. And it just
Speaker 1: it's a different feeling you get with the Opry Band
Speaker 1: that's like really great and they're all top of the
Speaker 1: top players, you know, but they they really have taken
Speaker 1: a few of mine. I mean a few times that
Speaker 1: we've been there, you know, and just giving it a
Speaker 1: different feel from what I do with my boys. You know,
Speaker 1: what I do with my man is all adrenaline and
Speaker 1: control chaos, you know. Them, it's just like we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit right here and do this, yeah, I think. And
Speaker 1: it's just they remember you when you come back, dude,
Speaker 1: everybody in that building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. It's in this been last Opry story
Speaker 2: that I'll share. But I think at this point, I've
Speaker 2: probably played it about fifteen or sixteen times, and I've
Speaker 2: done I've hosted it or the TV show thirty, so
Speaker 2: I've spent a good amount of time there. And my
Speaker 2: stepdad was coming into town and he had never been
Speaker 2: to the Opry and he was coming early and I
Speaker 2: wasn't playing that night, but he was coming kind of
Speaker 2: last minute, and I was like, Hey, my step dad's
Speaker 2: coming into town. Is there any way I can take him
Speaker 2: and show him around? And they're like, I swear to God,
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we'll leave the doors unlocked, just going
Speaker 2: up and lock the doors whenever you're gone. To the
Speaker 2: whole opry. They left, They left the doors unlocked to
Speaker 2: the whole operay, and they we're like, just have at it.
Speaker 2: Just when you're done. Just locked the door. Like it
Speaker 2: was like my aunt's house and she's like, hey, just
Speaker 2: lock up when you're done. And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that is a lot of trust.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of trust.
Speaker 2: You got the keys to the office, dude, I didn't
Speaker 2: even need the key that you can leave it unlocked
Speaker 2: for anybody. You've been on the road a bunch.
Speaker 1: A good bit, man. We we get We did get
Speaker 1: to take about uh. I gave the boys about a
Speaker 1: month and the month and a week off. I had
Speaker 1: some shows in there, but but we've been we've been
Speaker 1: touring a lot, and it was weird coming back to
Speaker 1: it after that long of a break. It's just like
Speaker 1: you do something three or four times a week every
Speaker 1: week for the last two and a half three years,
Speaker 1: that you stop for thirty days.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you get rust development.
Speaker 1: It was it was so weird coming back. We were
Speaker 1: all like, ohh God, but no, we got a truck.
Speaker 1: We've had a Since then, we've been on the road
Speaker 1: every weekend and we're not really stopping until December. We
Speaker 1: got Miss Laney Wilson coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: We got that the twenty last week August. That starts
Speaker 1: and then it runs all the way to November.
Speaker 2: What are your weeks like when you're home for four
Speaker 2: days before you head back out? Like, what are you
Speaker 2: doing in those four days in town?
Speaker 1: If I get four, that's lucky. But most of the
Speaker 1: time I'm trying to trying to still make a name
Speaker 1: for myself and you know, interviews working here in town.
Speaker 1: I finally bought a place out of town and a
Speaker 1: little cabin in the woods, and really I like to
Speaker 1: spend my time up there when I can, Like I'll
Speaker 1: get off the bus and go straight there.
Speaker 2: We have bus call kind of nearish that area.
Speaker 1: No bus calls back here in town. It is. I
Speaker 1: actually park in my PMS place and just it's right
Speaker 1: right close there.
Speaker 2: But are you writing much in town when you're here
Speaker 2: in those days or do you do you write on
Speaker 2: a schedule meaning you're gonna write these or do you
Speaker 2: write it anytime it comes over you?
Speaker 1: Anytime we can make it happen. Man. But you know,
Speaker 1: I moved down here in twenty twenty in the middle
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, and I had our he'd been writing.
Speaker 1: I'd already had two records up by then. Then I
Speaker 1: put out by myself, who are not what we are now?
Speaker 1: You know? But my catalog was sick. It's so big.
Speaker 1: I mean when I got down here, I was doing
Speaker 1: nothing but two days, you know, when I got with Luke,
Speaker 1: and so there is songs in the bank. You know,
Speaker 1: I write a lot with my boys on the road.
Speaker 1: You know, we were just on the bus last last
Speaker 1: week making demos in the back.
Speaker 2: Bus riding. Man, well, bus riding sucks, but bus writing
Speaker 2: that's tough because you got you gotta be feeling like
Speaker 2: up to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is by the tickey, you take the ride
Speaker 1: for sure. On this record that we're getting ready to
Speaker 1: put out here, I mean half of those songs came
Speaker 1: from a bus trip and that was Luke and Ryan, Luke,
Speaker 1: Dick and Ryan and me in the back of the
Speaker 1: bus for like two weeks.
Speaker 2: Just keep it in the bus or do you record it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we got a rig on the bus
Speaker 1: and my drummer Sean mercer. I mean he and I
Speaker 1: are coming up right on a decade together and he's
Speaker 1: a producer and engineer in Baltimore, So for pretty much
Speaker 1: first two records that I did with him and my
Speaker 1: boys and whatnot. So he he understands that kind of Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's an engineer.
Speaker 2: Sure, and you can do it on the road. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: very easily.
Speaker 1: I mean we'll listen back to sets. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: are full on dissecting, Like you need to be doing
Speaker 1: this here.
Speaker 2: I can't listen to a show I've done. Take your
Speaker 2: medico or radio show. I want to vomit, Like I
Speaker 2: don't want the medicine yet I probably need the medicine.
Speaker 2: What are you listening for? If you're listening, let's say
Speaker 2: a show you listen to a show back, what are
Speaker 2: you listening for?
Speaker 1: Flaws? And there's certain you know, we don't every night
Speaker 1: is different to some aspect. Every single song is have
Speaker 1: some different feel to it because there's no click, there's
Speaker 1: no tracks, there's no nothing. It's just us up there,
Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes you'll catch a vibe where you
Speaker 1: need to you really need to run down that that
Speaker 1: feeling of what that feeling of the song that you're
Speaker 1: looking for.
Speaker 2: So will you find what went right though? To if
Speaker 2: it's different, like let's say you're listening to a song
Speaker 2: and you say you're looking for flaws, and again, you're
Speaker 2: not playing to a click, so it's never going to
Speaker 2: be exactly right on. But if you hear something that's
Speaker 2: kind of special, will you also chase that down absolutely?
Speaker 1: That leads to the betterment of evolution of songs. Wings
Speaker 1: was a great off of Greenbroke was a great example
Speaker 1: of that. You know, Wings went from of three minute,
Speaker 1: forty second song to like you're looking at five fifty
Speaker 1: six minutes at the end of it on the live record,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's all due to composure.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you mean, Like, what did you
Speaker 2: hear that made you want to change the way you
Speaker 2: were picturing that song?
Speaker 1: It's honestly just vibing with the dudes on stage. You know.
Speaker 1: In the beginning of US, we were really trying hard
Speaker 1: to sound like Explosions in the Sky. You know. I
Speaker 1: love that big cinematic band sound, epic guitars great, great,
Speaker 1: just great playing. But when you especially, i mean you
Speaker 1: get sound checks and whatnot, you go off on a
Speaker 1: tangent and you're like, oh, we need to do something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Will you listen to sound checks too?
Speaker 1: Not so much. We're about to start taking uh stuff
Speaker 1: for Sewan from sound checks and putting it into mobile
Speaker 1: rig and whatnot and building ming that stuff. But a
Speaker 1: lot of ideas come from soundcheck though, of a lot
Speaker 1: of ideas of composure, like it's just vibes that we
Speaker 1: fall into and we can we can make it last
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 2: You Brandon just has to You can jam ban it
Speaker 2: if you need to. You can go to fish real quick,
Speaker 2: big jam band vibes. Yeah, do you have to sometimes
Speaker 2: keep yourself from jam band because you're feeling it so much?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, And I'm I am always for the song
Speaker 1: being longer, Like, let let the music say all that
Speaker 1: you could not. That's what the music's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: is all that the spoken word cannot. So of course
Speaker 1: I want more. I want the best playing for what
Speaker 1: the song calls for as possible.
Speaker 2: Can you give visual cues to your guys at this
Speaker 2: point because you've been together so long and they know, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if somebody stumbles, like Shawn missus a
Speaker 1: phil but she's I think last year he broke like
Speaker 1: four sticks. So you break a stick in the middle
Speaker 1: of something and you're like everybody turns around. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, you know, but that's that's communication between your men.
Speaker 1: That's worth it's worth something that everybody's is on their toes,
Speaker 1: you know, Because I think I would go full Dave Matthews.
Speaker 2: I'd just be feeling it. Hour later. We done three songs,
Speaker 2: you know, just one of those nights where you're just
Speaker 2: then the crowd would be like, dude, you play three
Speaker 2: freaking songs. Yeah, my bad, we're really feeling that second
Speaker 2: song that we did. I don't really have the ability
Speaker 2: to do that, but I feel like I would get
Speaker 2: into that, like if it was feeling good, I would
Speaker 2: just continue that. You have three other siblings, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Any of them do music.
Speaker 1: My brother played guitar with Lynwood Taylor a few times
Speaker 1: around town. He's just like me at heart, a dirty hippie.
Speaker 1: He's played acoustic. It's not really you know, it's great
Speaker 1: admyras of music. I mean, my brother is everything from
Speaker 1: bluegrass Turnpike to John Butler Trio, to all the classic
Speaker 1: rock stuff to all the Ska stuff to the Northeast
Speaker 1: Guy Orchestra.
Speaker 2: Like loves that are plays.
Speaker 1: It just loves it. Yeah, it's It's always around. It
Speaker 1: has always been around in our family. My sister sang
Speaker 1: in the choir of her entire life. She never wanted
Speaker 1: to do what I did. She once she gets something
Speaker 1: in her head, the way that it's supposed to sound
Speaker 1: her head, that's the way that it stays, big, powerhouse vocal.
Speaker 1: So she was She was a singer too. Cody liked
Speaker 1: to think he could play the drums, but he really.
Speaker 2: Where where did the music come from? In your family?
Speaker 1: My dad was always My dad was a very big
Speaker 1: admirer of it. I mean I remember it on every
Speaker 1: every time we were in the truck, any trip that
Speaker 1: we ever went on, it was always on.
Speaker 2: What did what was always on? Like what comes to
Speaker 2: mind on any trail.
Speaker 1: Our stations were nine eight point seven Big one hundred
Speaker 1: point three, which was the rock station, classic rock station,
Speaker 1: so playing all the old the oldies ish and obviously
Speaker 1: the two country stations from back Home which is nine
Speaker 1: three point one ninety eight point seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I mean I remember watching Lane and
Speaker 1: my sister in the choir, and I remember watching her
Speaker 1: in the plays that they used to do up in
Speaker 1: the middle school. And so it was always around, you know,
Speaker 1: it was always around, and then they figured out I
Speaker 1: could hold a tune. You know, at a very early age.
Speaker 2: How old were you when you get actually sing.
Speaker 1: Belting it out? Not till I was, I mean just
Speaker 1: singing in the truck, I mean ankle blighter size.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's an indication at seven eight nine
Speaker 2: that there's some promise here.
Speaker 1: I was. It wasn't like that. It didn't come. The
Speaker 1: start of my dedication didn't come until the house burned down,
Speaker 1: and that was probably I was thirteen when that happened.
Speaker 2: Talk about that.
Speaker 1: So me and my old man were trying to thaw
Speaker 1: out a pipe on h We thought it was right
Speaker 1: next to the sink, which in reality it was twenty
Speaker 1: yards across the house, so we weren't even in the
Speaker 1: right But we threw a little heater and an enclosure
Speaker 1: outside of it, and he caught the roof and burned
Speaker 1: from the top down. While I was still inside of it.
Speaker 1: I was getting up for school and breathing in smoke,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, February twenty second, three inches of snow
Speaker 1: on the ground, flames in the sky.
Speaker 2: Wow, it was snowing too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But while we were rebuilding that, we took four
Speaker 1: months off of work. My dad's a brick layer Stonemation.
Speaker 1: We've nicol Sa Mason. Anyway, took four months off of work,
Speaker 1: and while we were rebuilding, I would sit up there
Speaker 1: in the evenings. And our house was connected by a
Speaker 1: breezeway on the second story and office space for business.
Speaker 1: We lived in there for four months while we rebuilt
Speaker 1: the househouse. But I would sit up there in the
Speaker 1: evenings and play and learn songs. And it was a
Speaker 1: very big escape for me. I mean, we just got
Speaker 1: smashed and to like two bedrooms and not a lot
Speaker 1: of space, so I need to get away from people.
Speaker 2: Where'd you get the guitar?
Speaker 1: I had gotten one for Christmas. It was a little Fender.
Speaker 1: I remember telling my mom I wanted I wanted to
Speaker 1: fiddle with it because I thought it would be cool.
Speaker 1: And I took about a month of lessons and that
Speaker 1: fell out of the out of the routine real quick
Speaker 1: because I was doing football across. I was wrestling at
Speaker 1: that time. I said football. But yeah, man, it was
Speaker 1: a little fender and it was I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think it even played. It didn't even plug in. And
Speaker 1: then the house burned and then it started, so you're.
Speaker 2: Just playing guitar at random hours, I mean evening time. Okay,
Speaker 2: so no lessons.
Speaker 1: I had taken about a month.
Speaker 2: We quit then yeah, I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 2: did you have enough to go off of?
Speaker 1: I guess what that means.
Speaker 2: But then a couple of bar a chords.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hate bar chords.
Speaker 2: I don't do bar cords ca yeah, I mean not
Speaker 2: Cao capo.
Speaker 1: And alternate tunings are the way to go. Man, It's
Speaker 1: and it's alternative tunings because bar chords just restricted, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it chokes the the guitar chokes that sound. Open
Speaker 1: tunings is just all wide open.
Speaker 2: You know the problem with open tuning, though, is you
Speaker 2: have to tune it that way. So that means you
Speaker 2: have extra guitars with you. You are just tuned open.
Speaker 2: Where if I'm doing stand up and I'm playing funny songs,
Speaker 2: I've got one guitar with me and I'm not it's
Speaker 2: gonna be forever to tune it. So I'm capo. I'm
Speaker 2: straight capo all the way. I'm choking it if I
Speaker 2: have to love me and yeah, let's take a quick
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Speaker 3: And back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: The first songs you learned? Was it?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 2: It was a lot of classic rock stuff. And I'm
Speaker 2: not the player that you are, but I remember just
Speaker 2: what I what I would learn. I learned, like Metallica stuff,
Speaker 2: because some of that stuff was easy. I'd learn like
Speaker 2: some using like tab. I would learn like some some
Speaker 2: guitar times. Yeah, I don't even use tab anymore. But
Speaker 2: but at the beginning, it was really good for me
Speaker 2: to learn, you know, six three. But what what was
Speaker 2: that for you? What did you want to learn? What
Speaker 2: did you learn first?
Speaker 1: I can't read music at all, period whatsoever. I don't
Speaker 1: read a chart. I hardly know the Nashville skills here,
Speaker 1: Like I know enough to understand what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I've never been able to. It doesn't
Speaker 1: translate with me. So it's all about that being said.
Speaker 1: The first things that I kind of learned when I
Speaker 1: started playing guitar, I mean, simple man, smoke on the Water,
Speaker 1: those are all like ditty smoke on the water army, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But like when you talk about getting into like ultimate
Speaker 1: guitar tabs and like all that kind of stuff, like
Speaker 1: the first ones that I remember putting together all the
Speaker 1: way through were Drake White songs. Probably the first ever
Speaker 1: was probably a simple man letter skinned that was probably
Speaker 1: the first one top to bottom that I learned all
Speaker 1: the way through.
Speaker 2: How long until you could actually sing and play?
Speaker 1: Oh god, it took a while, man. It was uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not the I'm not I'm still
Speaker 1: not the player that I want to be when it
Speaker 1: comes to this hand you know, or this one you know.
Speaker 1: But it took a while, and my timing used to
Speaker 1: be so weird, so weird, man.
Speaker 2: It What about because haven't you know, we get to
Speaker 2: know you a little bit over the past couple of
Speaker 2: years in the time that we spent together. You're not
Speaker 2: a guy it's gonna walk into a room and just
Speaker 2: demand everybody's attention when everybody just hanging around talking. You
Speaker 2: have you don't say a lot. You have a big
Speaker 2: presence because you're a big guy, and you definitely dress
Speaker 2: like you're gonna murder someone if they cross you. However,
Speaker 2: I would not, just by knowing you as a person,
Speaker 2: think well, this is a guy that wants to get
Speaker 2: on stage and sing or talk or entertain in any
Speaker 2: way whatsoever. Now, did you have the same demeanor younger,
Speaker 2: and was your dad and your family like.
Speaker 1: You want to do what My dad never wanted us
Speaker 1: to lay brick and block, So anything other than that
Speaker 1: was very welcome in our family. Now my siblings have
Speaker 1: taken over the family business and they're doing that, you know.
Speaker 1: But they all went out and had their time in
Speaker 1: the world and chase their dreams and they've come home
Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff. But no, he wanted
Speaker 1: anything other than what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He had to be so surprised though, and maybe he wasn't,
Speaker 2: but that you wanted to go entertain people your because again,
Speaker 2: if you meet you, you don't think, well, he wants
Speaker 2: to get on stage and just rock people's face off.
Speaker 2: You're like, that guy's probably I don't know what kind
Speaker 2: of mobby's in, what kind of cattle he who knows?
Speaker 2: But you know, your personality on stage is large. Your
Speaker 2: personality here it's very compact. Your demeanor is very straightforward.
Speaker 2: People can hear that I used to be scared of you,
Speaker 2: not anymore, but he's scared of you when I first
Speaker 2: met you because I was like, this dude, he hates
Speaker 2: my guts. But I would compare like you and I'm
Speaker 2: friends with Kane Brown. I thought Kine hated me because
Speaker 2: Kine doesn't say a whole lot, no, no man a
Speaker 2: few words. Yeah, now that I know Kane and love
Speaker 2: Kane like that's one of the things I love about him.
Speaker 2: It's like he's still who he is off stage, but
Speaker 2: then when he gets on stage, he's he puts it
Speaker 2: on again. Were they surprised that you wanted to get
Speaker 2: on stage and put it on?
Speaker 1: It definitely took some time to grow on my mom.
Speaker 1: She didn't quite understand. She didn't quite not fathom it
Speaker 1: at first, but she was like, I don't know, honey,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. And I also took about
Speaker 1: two and a half three years before she was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: It's also got to be weird too, because where I
Speaker 2: come from, nobody did anything in the art community because
Speaker 2: they worked at the mill. Like they worked at the mill,
Speaker 2: or they had a job, you know, just because where
Speaker 2: you and I both come from, it's not like people
Speaker 2: move off and are, for my case, work on radio
Speaker 2: and TV or your case. They don't move off and
Speaker 2: become country stars. So it's not the people say you
Speaker 2: can't do it, but they don't know that you can
Speaker 2: because no one else really does it around and.
Speaker 1: The only the only people that The only references we
Speaker 1: had from around home, you know, comeing from construction. We
Speaker 1: don't know the music industry, right. The only references we
Speaker 1: had were brothers Osbourne and Maggie Rose, you know they
Speaker 1: Maggie's from Mechanicsville and the brothers are from literally twenty
Speaker 1: used to light Fire is the same place as they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that has equal though to see those
Speaker 2: guys and see that they were doing it and it
Speaker 2: because again, there is normal I know their parents. There
Speaker 2: is normal and blue collar.
Speaker 1: And there's like two hundred and fifty of them of them,
Speaker 1: of the of the os It's it's nuts, man, It's
Speaker 1: it's nuts. I've met fifteen uncles of theirs. They They've
Speaker 1: been really good to us over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: The first big ass show that we did was Delaware
Speaker 1: State Fair with them, and I remember choking so bad.
Speaker 1: I choked on Hallelujah. On Ryan Bingham's hall Oljah. I've
Speaker 1: been playing the song for three years and just too
Speaker 1: much happening in my brain and just completely choked on it.
Speaker 1: But that was the biggest show that we had done
Speaker 1: to that date. And they were so good to us
Speaker 1: and have and have continued to be. But there they
Speaker 1: were the only they were the only people close to
Speaker 1: us that we were like, that's dope, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like and humans like us can do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that I mean, I think representation, regardless of
Speaker 2: what it is. You were kind of being represented by
Speaker 2: somebody showing that if you want to do it, you're
Speaker 2: good enough to do it, and you work hard enough
Speaker 2: to it, it actually can be done. So they were
Speaker 2: super cool. I mean, they are super cool. I love them,
Speaker 2: both of them so much. And you knew a lot
Speaker 2: of the Osborne family, or at least they were around.
Speaker 1: They were around, they were down in Deal. We were
Speaker 1: a little bays north, but we've met several several occasions,
Speaker 1: and their riot.
Speaker 2: The whole family because their dad, their.
Speaker 1: Dad is I mean here on me. Yeah, yeah, your.
Speaker 2: Dad a big old boy.
Speaker 1: He's about my size, but you're pretty big. When he
Speaker 1: walks in a room, you think he's a lot bigger
Speaker 1: than he is.
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know, you feel pretty big anyway.
Speaker 1: He's a presence.
Speaker 2: What's up with you like your first show, and I
Speaker 2: say show is in the first time you ever wanted
Speaker 2: to get on stage and play for someone that wasn't
Speaker 2: sitting outside where you're building your new house.
Speaker 1: The first show, the first time I ever stepped on
Speaker 1: stage with the guitar. It was my uncle's guitar. He
Speaker 1: played in the Air Force a little bit and it
Speaker 1: was a washburn. I didn't even have a guitar strap.
Speaker 1: That was the only guitar that I knew of in
Speaker 1: the vicinity of my family.
Speaker 2: Here just holding it, almost Johnny Cash style.
Speaker 1: I threw my foot on a bucket literally and just
Speaker 1: put it on my knee and went and I did.
Speaker 1: My mother's grandfather built the train station that is now
Speaker 1: the Irish pub that I started in. It's like the
Speaker 1: restaurant and down that it's the bar. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was two Drake White songs and Cost of Living
Speaker 1: by Running Done. Those were the first three songs I
Speaker 1: played on stage with a guitar. And that's in the
Speaker 1: middle of the town that my parents grew up in,
Speaker 1: so they know everybody and their mother. So you have
Speaker 1: an attic bar full of one hundred and fifty people
Speaker 1: and you could here here you could hear a pin draw. Really,
Speaker 1: it was awesome.
Speaker 2: What about the first show you ever got paid to do?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the first paid gig I ever had.
Speaker 1: I got paid eighty bucks. It was a Thursday night.
Speaker 1: I had just gotten out of football practice and didn't
Speaker 1: even showered. Roll over there in my bronco. And you
Speaker 1: know those uncles that aren't really your uncles. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I have an uncle, Marv right, and he also plays music.
Speaker 1: He he did Jimmy Buffett for years, Marshall Tucker, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, just you know, bar gigs. And
Speaker 1: he was like, well, you can come up here and
Speaker 1: kill two hours if you want. I mean we God,
Speaker 1: we did two hundred and fifty shows together, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: over the span of four or five years, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was a car wash. It it was
Speaker 1: a car wash service, throwing a party, like a company
Speaker 1: party at a car wash. And that was pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Is that where you'd say you kind of got your
Speaker 2: chops those shows with them, like you really started to
Speaker 2: understand a little bit of who you were as a
Speaker 2: performer for the first time doing those two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean, those are those are really long
Speaker 1: sets acoustic, just buy up by yourself, play as many
Speaker 1: songs as you possibly can.
Speaker 2: You know, there would be the stories of the Beatles
Speaker 2: when they were playing Germany and they play eight hour
Speaker 2: sets to a bar. They sometimes play the same song
Speaker 2: three times, nobody there most of the time, but they
Speaker 2: would credit that to where they really found themselves or
Speaker 2: at least the early version of who they were musically,
Speaker 2: because they just had to figure out how to keep going.
Speaker 2: And the more you go, the better you're gonna get. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I feel like you gotta know what you're capable of. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sounds a bit like that. Was that ear early
Speaker 2: early part of you? When did you decide you want
Speaker 2: to move to Nashville. It's a big move.
Speaker 1: It took it took a while. If I I had
Speaker 1: been making music in Baltimore with Sean by the time
Speaker 1: all of this is happening, you know, So it was
Speaker 1: it was a it was a I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: a blimp on the radar, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: not my first thought. And as we started coming down
Speaker 1: here a little bit more to check out a little
Speaker 1: bit more of what was going on, what would you
Speaker 1: do first? The first time we came, I was fifteen,
Speaker 1: and we drove down. We stopped in like Gatlinburg and
Speaker 1: pitching Ford and played a couple of open mics and
Speaker 1: stuff and did the rhyman, did the opry, all the
Speaker 1: touristy things. Worked with a couple of people down here
Speaker 1: very lightly and whatnot. But it was not my first thought.
Speaker 1: What made me want to do it is that I
Speaker 1: signed a record deal. I just just like, I can't
Speaker 1: do this from back home, do what the whole artist shebang.
Speaker 1: You know, I need to be accessible down here. You know,
Speaker 1: as time goes on, it won't always be the case
Speaker 1: for everybody, you know, but for a time, I love
Speaker 1: this city. I love being here. I love these back
Speaker 1: alleys that I've walked for a long time now.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it starting to feel like home?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I mean it's the short answers, Yes it is.
Speaker 1: I've been down here since twenty twenty. Now it reminds
Speaker 1: me of my home a lot. You know, anywhere in
Speaker 1: the world I could be. I could be out in
Speaker 1: La and be you know, this feels a lot like
Speaker 1: home to me.
Speaker 2: Why'd you name the record on the back of my dreams?
Speaker 1: So on the back of my Dreams is a line
Speaker 1: that we chose from Jane. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: songs on the record. It's pretty witchy and mountainous. So
Speaker 1: growing up on the East Coast, you're right there at
Speaker 1: the foothills of West Virginia, Kentucky and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do something that's just sounded like Appalachia,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's another song on this
Speaker 1: record called Sweet Appalacha that's all about the Yak River
Speaker 1: and the triangle where we come from. But that line,
Speaker 1: I mean, Greenbroke was We named the last record Green Broke,
Speaker 1: after my favorite song on the record. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to name it Jane, so I just picked
Speaker 1: a line out of there that sounded dope, and across
Speaker 1: the whole record there is a flare of Jane. And
Speaker 1: all of these songs, there's a you know, that moment,
Speaker 1: a bliss that you have when you first wake up
Speaker 1: and it's right before reality comes back and hits you.
Speaker 1: It's the elongation of that. They all have a little
Speaker 1: bit of that flare. Some of them are a little manic,
Speaker 1: some of them are a little intense. They are all
Speaker 1: little fever dreams and vignettes. Man, that are some of
Speaker 1: them are good, some of them are bad, and some
Speaker 1: of them are just having a good time.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like this is a bit of a
Speaker 2: concept album?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I love concept albums. Now, it's like the only album
Speaker 2: I would make.
Speaker 1: The record is split down the middle, and I wanted,
Speaker 1: I wanted. I had been working towards that for a
Speaker 1: good long while. Now, I mean since Greenbroke, I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted there to be a definite color change,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The first half of this
Speaker 1: record is really the reds and oranges and deep greens
Speaker 1: of it, and then the second half is all the
Speaker 1: blues and purples and blacks. You know, it's it's the
Speaker 1: darkness of it, which is the second half of it.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a couple of different characters throughout this record. Man,
Speaker 1: They're all extensions of me, you know. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's trippy little record. There's some sonic footprints on here
Speaker 1: that are wild, some really great grooves.
Speaker 2: Talk about duct tape heart, Oh, duct tape, man, because
Speaker 2: when you're saying that, that's what comes to mind.
Speaker 1: So so that's me, Luke Dick, Casey Bethard there was
Speaker 1: like three straight Christmases in a row. I got nothing
Speaker 1: but duct tape for Christmas. I mean I had all
Speaker 1: the neons, I had every camo that you could, you know,
Speaker 1: all the gorilla tape, you know. And I hadn't written
Speaker 1: a song with Casey in a while. It had been
Speaker 1: like a year since I seen him. And Luke and
Speaker 1: I were together one day and Luke had this duct
Speaker 1: tape hard idea, and I was just like, that sounds fun.
Speaker 1: I had an obsession when I was a kid. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. You know. That one's just pure fun. And
Speaker 1: it sounds sounds like there's like not rockabilly, but there's
Speaker 1: blues rock tunes that you know, with a Western flare
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2: Heaven's Betsy. You were not gonna right? Was the idea?
Speaker 2: It just playing? I don't know, but then you did.
Speaker 1: That song has such a crazy journey man that went
Speaker 1: from an acoustic demo, and.
Speaker 2: Well, tell me about it. Tell me about all of it,
Speaker 2: like even the demo that was written.
Speaker 1: On music Row. Right down the road, Driver Williams, Benji
Speaker 1: Davis and myself and Driver walked into the door with
Speaker 1: that title, and the first thing that popped into my
Speaker 1: head was quite literally the flash of a picture frame,
Speaker 1: which is worth every word that was written, of a
Speaker 1: daddy looking down on his daughter from the outskirts, right
Speaker 1: outside the gate, onto his daughter. It's just it's literally
Speaker 1: a little picture frame. And I think when the video
Speaker 1: comes out, it's gonna make a lot more sense. But
Speaker 1: he's sitting there on the outside of the gates, the
Speaker 1: outskirts of this cloud on a CB, hoping that that
Speaker 1: transmission goes through. That's the first thing that flashed in
Speaker 1: my head when it came out of his mouth. That
Speaker 1: married me with me since that first time it came
Speaker 1: out of his mouth, That's why I love it. And
Speaker 1: if you listen to the words that he says, it
Speaker 1: is so brutally heartbreaking to know. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: that dynamic play it out too many times. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen this song work grown men to tears and grown
Speaker 1: women to tears, and all the music that is behind
Speaker 1: it is everything that that man left unsaid and all
Speaker 1: the love that was never given. And that's why it's
Speaker 1: a little bit more intense than a few of the others.
Speaker 2: You know, music gets me because I love my dogs
Speaker 2: and love my dog. I mean of a couple of
Speaker 2: dogs worth me ten twelve, thirteen years and like Carl
Speaker 2: was like that was your dog, that my first one.
Speaker 2: And so obviously if you're can write something about Carl.
Speaker 2: Why was Karl such a great dog?
Speaker 1: He was just the first one. He uh he is
Speaker 1: all white and one brown ear. I had him from
Speaker 1: the time he was about yet big. Now, Carl Carlito
Speaker 1: was quite a legend man. He was my shotgun writer
Speaker 1: in a lot of places, especially when I got my Bronco.
Speaker 1: But no, man, he was just fastest, grease, lightning dude
Speaker 1: and just one of the best dogs I've ever had
Speaker 1: in my life. And he's big blue sky right he
Speaker 1: is he is. He died and his brother went about
Speaker 1: two weeks after him, right right within the same time.
Speaker 1: So he died. He died while we were out on
Speaker 1: the Blake Shelton tour, and we had written it just
Speaker 1: a little prior to that. But he never saw the road,
Speaker 1: he never saw the bus, never saw any of that.
Speaker 1: Just like Betsy. That's a picture frame that is quite
Speaker 1: literally a dog running up over a hill and in
Speaker 1: the sunset, it was just scoring that moment and they
Speaker 1: elongate of that moment. You know. But that's ode de Carl,
Speaker 1: big blues O de Carl, this classic American huge rock
Speaker 1: and just bash it away.
Speaker 2: You know, Carl, What do you do that's not music?
Speaker 2: What's fun? I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: It's hard to have hobbies in this business. You know.
Speaker 1: When I get off the road, it's kind of just like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't die, so you can come back here in a
Speaker 1: couple of days and do this again. I try to
Speaker 1: get out in the woods as much as I possibly can.
Speaker 2: You just travel a bunch, say that, where did you go?
Speaker 1: Well, just this year we've been.
Speaker 2: Like not music travel, not tour, but did you just
Speaker 2: travel like we're traveling by yourself?
Speaker 1: Oh we went to Taos. Yeah, yeah that's what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I talk about Singapore and.
Speaker 2: No I am talking about all that. Yeah, talk about Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: So wait, we've done a full trip around the globe
Speaker 1: already this year. Berlyn Rotterdam.
Speaker 2: Is that fine?
Speaker 1: London? It was a wild time. It was really the first.
Speaker 1: The first couple days getting over there are always chaotic.
Speaker 1: Once you're over there, I love it. It's great. My
Speaker 1: girdlist figure gets worked on, and I drop a few
Speaker 1: pounds because everybody's walking so much. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: really great time over there. But then from London, Singapore, Australia,
Speaker 1: La and then back, so literally took off to the
Speaker 1: east and then I came back from the west. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He went all the way around, all the way around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's crazy when when you say it like that.
Speaker 1: And then right back to right back to tour here.
Speaker 1: What other were you talking about? We went? I went
Speaker 1: out to Taos for about a week. I stayed in
Speaker 1: one of those earth ships.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what Tawasa is.
Speaker 1: You tell me Tawas, New Mexico. That's right above, Like so,
Speaker 1: Taoas is here. You can see Wheeler Is Wheeler Mountains
Speaker 1: right there, and then you look this way.
Speaker 2: I've been to Albuquerque. That's about it.
Speaker 1: You need to get to Santa Fe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever been to Santa Fe.
Speaker 2: Santa Fe fills more, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's a great.
Speaker 2: What what what happened in Tallas? What do you like
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 1: It was just nothing but sage and mountains in the
Speaker 1: distance and just I needed to clear my head, and
Speaker 1: that was in the break that we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: I get the boys about a month and now a
Speaker 1: month and some change. But I went out there for
Speaker 1: about a week and stayed in the earth ship where
Speaker 1: it's got a thirty foot garden on the inside of it.
Speaker 1: It's all self sustaining, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: It's called a what earth ship? And what's it's shaped
Speaker 2: like above?
Speaker 1: Half a half of it is built into the ground.
Speaker 1: Most of the time. They're pretty flatish, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, have air conditioned a glass it's concrete slab.
Speaker 2: I'm out.
Speaker 1: No, it stays like sixty three year round.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not bad then, yeah, okay, Yeah, it's sick
Speaker 2: a lot of bugs.
Speaker 1: No, no, not particularly, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's it's a house Wi Fi. Yeah, okay, Well I'm
Speaker 2: back in. Yeah that was out, but now I'm back in.
Speaker 2: If I'll send you three, I'll send And so you
Speaker 2: go out there, and what's the goal when you go
Speaker 2: out or a place like this? Are you I'm assuming
Speaker 2: you're by yourself with a very select few people and
Speaker 2: you're just spending evenings doing what like, how do you
Speaker 2: get out of your head?
Speaker 1: What I can tell you on podcast. I'm really here
Speaker 1: in months of late son like an exploration. You know,
Speaker 1: I've you get into these rets where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: there's nothing I'm listening to here that's musically inspiring, and
Speaker 1: you just gotta hunt for that stuff, you know. I
Speaker 1: most of the time I have tunes rolling all the
Speaker 1: time wherever I am.
Speaker 2: Do you mean music rolling like in your head or
Speaker 2: music that you're just listening to listen? What's your comfort
Speaker 2: music meaning? Because I have different versions of the music
Speaker 2: that I listen to. If I want to just not
Speaker 2: pay attention to music and have on what I like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put on John Mary Counting Crows, just like
Speaker 2: I watched The Office at night because I'm not really
Speaker 2: watching it to watch it, but I love it and
Speaker 2: I just need it on. It makes me feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: I already know it. It puts me in a calm
Speaker 2: place like That's that for me? What's that for you?
Speaker 1: Put me in a calm place.
Speaker 2: Like Ben Folds. That'll be what I put on that
Speaker 2: I don't have to like listen to see if I
Speaker 2: like it, like, it doesn't matter. I love all that now.
Speaker 2: If I'm doing whatever A different type of music exploration.
Speaker 2: But I'm like a couple of friends that send me
Speaker 2: some more let's say, check them out. I'm listening to
Speaker 2: that way different than I'm listening to that's dissection. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what is your comfort? What's your comfort music that
Speaker 2: you're gonna put on if you're just gonna chill. There's
Speaker 2: a record.
Speaker 1: Of a band that opened for us about two years ago,
Speaker 1: and they're from Richmond Wild Band. But the record itself,
Speaker 1: it's self titled. It's called Holy Roller, and it's just
Speaker 1: some some of the best Like it's not even that
Speaker 1: it's just chill. It's just like it's the best kind
Speaker 1: of chill music that I have on my phone as
Speaker 1: a project, as a whole, top to bottom. So you
Speaker 1: can let that thing you just hit play right at
Speaker 1: the top and let it go and.
Speaker 2: Perfect album to you? What are some of the perfect albums?
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple. I let you think. I think,
Speaker 2: same trailer, different Park, Casey Musgraves. To me, that feels
Speaker 2: like a perfect album. I think continuing from John Mayer
Speaker 2: feels like a perfect album, meaning there's no skips, right,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not gonna write, you know, write boom,
Speaker 2: make it red and disappear from your list. Those two
Speaker 2: are perfect.
Speaker 1: What about you? Oh man, I don't know, only the obvious.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man. I watched some of those Chris Cornell
Speaker 2: videos if him singing that man in a studio, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that.
Speaker 1: Man open vortexas to other.
Speaker 2: Dimensions, and I would go, okay, I roll my eyes
Speaker 2: usually when someone would say something like that. I watched
Speaker 2: him so with the temple of the dog, you know,
Speaker 2: before I'm going huh, And it was like it seemed
Speaker 2: effortless and so full of effort at the same time
Speaker 2: and just perfect.
Speaker 1: He's laser beam. He laser beamed everything that came out
Speaker 1: of his mouth. It's just yea, like the best man.
Speaker 1: He's probably at the front of my Mount Rushmore, right
Speaker 1: next to Robert Plant.
Speaker 2: Chris Cornell one of the best ever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. He's been talking about covering audiously forever
Speaker 1: and just god, it is just so high, you know.
Speaker 2: And stays high, like he starts high and goes higher,
Speaker 2: like going high. I mean, I can't even play it,
Speaker 2: but I'll get in my algorithm on TikTok because I
Speaker 2: love Chris Cornell and my favorites are just the live
Speaker 2: like him singing at concerts, or him in a studio,
Speaker 2: or him just with they'll hot, they'll isolate the raw vocals,
Speaker 2: and it's like, how can someone do this without it
Speaker 2: being manipulated by technology? And he's one of those rare,
Speaker 2: super rare yeah Robert Planto two.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in terms of unpredictability, especially in his live
Speaker 1: of stuff where you think you would go up where
Speaker 1: a regular person would go up, he goes down. Or
Speaker 1: where you go down, he goes up. You know those
Speaker 1: isms that not only him Cornell, everybody on my Mount
Speaker 1: Rushmore does. Yeah, man, that's all vocal control. Man, that's
Speaker 1: bad ass.
Speaker 2: Who else is on that list your singers?
Speaker 1: Just out of nostalgia and the overall demeaning that I want,
Speaker 1: demeanor that I wanted to carry in the beginning of
Speaker 1: when I set out to do this was cash Man,
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash dude, just all around American badass with one
Speaker 1: of the most iconic voices of all time and will
Speaker 1: forever be that way. But really for all those all
Speaker 1: those really low down, all that low down singing that
Speaker 1: he did, because he's not a high singer. He's very
Speaker 1: low and tough. You know what, I mean, and then
Speaker 1: there's Whalen.
Speaker 2: Your dad listened to a lot of Whalen.
Speaker 1: My dad listened to a lot of Murle. My mom
Speaker 1: loved Whalen.
Speaker 2: Two pretty strong influences. You got to coming from both sides.
Speaker 2: You got Murle one whale on the other. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: they argue about who was better.
Speaker 1: Hey my mom. My mom was not that confrontational about
Speaker 1: music as as her offspring. Her offspring was.
Speaker 2: So what's the goal with this record? Like, what do
Speaker 2: you want people to feel here?
Speaker 1: Do? There's some songs on this record that are designed
Speaker 1: to pull at your heartstrings. There's someone here that are
Speaker 1: designed to make you move your feet and sway your hips,
Speaker 1: And there's someone here that are supposed to make you
Speaker 1: want to run through a brick wall at least how
Speaker 1: I digest music, Man, I need something appropriate for the
Speaker 1: appropriate time, for what I am feeling at the time.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different emotions happening here, and it's
Speaker 1: they all operate at the extreme ends of those emotions,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you challenged yourself to write and
Speaker 2: record this record to where it almost got a little
Speaker 2: bit uncomfortable because you're really pushing it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pushed hard, you know. But just like we
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, you got to know what you're
Speaker 1: capable of. This. This is a wild This is a
Speaker 1: really big project that has taken a good while to
Speaker 1: put together, you know, and it is vocally a hard record, man,
Speaker 1: is up there? You know.
Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder when you record a song and
Speaker 2: it's a really hard record to record whenever you're going
Speaker 2: to perform it live? Why did I record that song
Speaker 2: like this? Because now I gotta sing it every night?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, And that's the version of what I'm saying
Speaker 2: about pushing yourself, Like that's pushing yourself to do it
Speaker 2: and then know you're gonna have to always do it
Speaker 2: that way. M h.
Speaker 1: And it's knowing that I can do it is what
Speaker 1: I'm after, Like being able to do it outside of
Speaker 1: the studio. I mean, we've been playing Big Blue and
Speaker 1: Train and Sweet Apple and a couple of these other
Speaker 1: songs out on the road for a while and we're
Speaker 1: doing it, you know. But that is the other side
Speaker 1: of that coin, is not only being able to do
Speaker 1: it in the studio, but to be able to do
Speaker 1: it live every night and push yourself that much further
Speaker 1: and that much harder. Ain't nobody ever gonna be able
Speaker 1: to take that away?
Speaker 2: Well, then you're gonna go listen to tape of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you through it, but you're getting better
Speaker 2: because you keep putting yourself through it. You keep getting better.
Speaker 1: It has worked wonders not only for me, but for
Speaker 1: my men as well, because like the curse is like,
Speaker 1: we're never going to know what we sound like on
Speaker 1: the other side of that pa fully, like in the flesh,
Speaker 1: you know, all the closest thing we will get is
Speaker 1: to a multi track. So it just it's helped me
Speaker 1: immensely as a singer. And like I can hear where
Speaker 1: I'm running out of breath and where I'm pushing too hard,
Speaker 1: and like where I need to open it all up
Speaker 1: and drop my jaw and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Do you talk much?
Speaker 1: No? No, I do not, No, not on stage.
Speaker 2: That would be what I would be afraid of. And
Speaker 2: I recorded a comedy special and we've just gone through
Speaker 2: the edits and I'm doing a talking special and I
Speaker 2: hate me talking. And I think if I were listening
Speaker 2: back to myself, I'll be like, well, I'll say that
Speaker 2: between those songs that sounds so stupid. But as you
Speaker 2: can tell, I hate myself for the most part. Anything
Speaker 2: else I'm like, oh, I hate me. But so you
Speaker 2: don't talk a lot, so you don't have to like criticize.
Speaker 1: No, but we're we are our biggest critics, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I I don't want to think about where
Speaker 1: we would be if we weren't biggest critics.
Speaker 2: But I think you also know how to celebrate what
Speaker 2: you're doing right and actually do that better too. You know,
Speaker 2: it's pretty healthy, Jackson, It's pretty healthy.
Speaker 1: It's weird talking up there, man, And it's just I'd
Speaker 1: rather let the song speak for themselves, you know, and
Speaker 1: how I'm singing them songs speak for itself.
Speaker 2: Last question, if I were to open your closet, is
Speaker 2: it all black.
Speaker 1: The majority? Yes, there might be some tan, some beige,
Speaker 1: but for the majority, yeah, it's black.
Speaker 2: I'm severely color blind with dark colors, so you could
Speaker 2: be wearing blue, but from what I know of you,
Speaker 2: it's mostly black. When you buy new clothes, it mostly black.
Speaker 2: You also can wear the same stuff over and over
Speaker 2: again and nobody really even knows the difference because it's
Speaker 2: mostly all black anyway.
Speaker 1: Exactly, man. I got I got ten black Pearl snaps
Speaker 1: that are some of the best show shirts I have
Speaker 1: ever had, and I got them year ago and they're
Speaker 1: all the same, just pitch black, just wonderful.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the record. You can follow Jackson and we
Speaker 2: mentioned a lot of this stuff before you came in
Speaker 2: in the pre but at the Jackson Dene Jackson Dene
Speaker 2: music and you're uh as when this airs, he's out
Speaker 2: with land you right, Mike, when this airs doing some
Speaker 2: random shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we did Pearl and yeah, man, we got
Speaker 1: we got a few of them.
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, But I mean the real place
Speaker 2: to see Jackson if you can see him do a
Speaker 2: whole freaking set when he's headlining it, that's where to
Speaker 2: see him. We have people that I'm very close to
Speaker 2: that are very close to you, and they.
Speaker 1: Just they love you.
Speaker 2: I like you a lot, they love you. So all right,
Speaker 2: thank you guys, and uh yeah, everything else will be
Speaker 2: in the notes. You can follow Jackson and all the
Speaker 2: album information is there, all right, go to see dude.
Speaker 1: Thank you too, man, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby cast production
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