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Speaker 2: Episode four sixty nine. Nice Jackson Dene. What I did

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Speaker 2: His high school viral thing. Yeah, he went viral because

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Speaker 2: And that's what that was a viral thing way back

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Speaker 2: but he dm the show. Oh yeah, yeah, going, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dean. I Don't Come Looking was his number one

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Speaker 2: Dreams is the name of the new album that just

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Speaker 2: He's a guy who, it's a cliche statement, walks by

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Speaker 2: So he's twenty three years old, although you would think

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, let's just do it. Jackson Dean

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Speaker 2: Instagram and Jacksondan music dot com. Enjoy a right, Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, buddy. Did you get a haircut?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you get rust development.

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Speaker 1: It was it was so weird coming back. We were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: What are your weeks like when you're home for four

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Speaker 1: If I get four, that's lucky. But most of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, And I'm I am always for the song

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Speaker 1: My brother played guitar with Lynwood Taylor a few times

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Speaker 1: Our stations were nine eight point seven Big one hundred

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Speaker 1: For me?

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00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 2: It was a lot of classic rock stuff. And I'm

437
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: not the player that you are, but I remember just

438
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 2: what I what I would learn. I learned, like Metallica stuff,

439
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: because some of that stuff was easy. I'd learn like

440
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: some using like tab. I would learn like some some

441
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 2: guitar times. Yeah, I don't even use tab anymore. But

442
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 2: but at the beginning, it was really good for me

443
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: to learn, you know, six three. But what what was

444
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: that for you? What did you want to learn? What

445
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 2: did you learn first?

446
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I can't read music at all, period whatsoever. I don't

447
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: read a chart. I hardly know the Nashville skills here,

448
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: Like I know enough to understand what they're talking about,

449
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: but I don't. I've never been able to. It doesn't

450
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: translate with me. So it's all about that being said.

451
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 1: The first things that I kind of learned when I

452
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: started playing guitar, I mean, simple man, smoke on the Water,

453
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: those are all like ditty smoke on the water army, yeah, yeah, yeah.

454
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: But like when you talk about getting into like ultimate

455
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: guitar tabs and like all that kind of stuff, like

456
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: the first ones that I remember putting together all the

457
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: way through were Drake White songs. Probably the first ever

458
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 1: was probably a simple man letter skinned that was probably

459
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: the first one top to bottom that I learned all

460
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: the way through.

461
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: How long until you could actually sing and play?

462
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: Oh god, it took a while, man. It was uh,

463
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not the I'm not I'm still

464
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: not the player that I want to be when it

465
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: comes to this hand you know, or this one you know.

466
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: But it took a while, and my timing used to

467
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: be so weird, so weird, man.

468
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 2: It What about because haven't you know, we get to

469
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: know you a little bit over the past couple of

470
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: years in the time that we spent together. You're not

471
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: a guy it's gonna walk into a room and just

472
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: demand everybody's attention when everybody just hanging around talking. You

473
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: have you don't say a lot. You have a big

474
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: presence because you're a big guy, and you definitely dress

475
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: like you're gonna murder someone if they cross you. However,

476
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I would not, just by knowing you as a person,

477
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: think well, this is a guy that wants to get

478
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: on stage and sing or talk or entertain in any

479
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: way whatsoever. Now, did you have the same demeanor younger,

480
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: and was your dad and your family like.

481
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: You want to do what My dad never wanted us

482
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: to lay brick and block, So anything other than that

483
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: was very welcome in our family. Now my siblings have

484
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: taken over the family business and they're doing that, you know.

485
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: But they all went out and had their time in

486
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: the world and chase their dreams and they've come home

487
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff. But no, he wanted

488
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: anything other than what he was doing.

489
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: He had to be so surprised though, and maybe he wasn't,

490
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: but that you wanted to go entertain people your because again,

491
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: if you meet you, you don't think, well, he wants

492
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: to get on stage and just rock people's face off.

493
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: You're like, that guy's probably I don't know what kind

494
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: of mobby's in, what kind of cattle he who knows?

495
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: But you know, your personality on stage is large. Your

496
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: personality here it's very compact. Your demeanor is very straightforward.

497
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: People can hear that I used to be scared of you,

498
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: not anymore, but he's scared of you when I first

499
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: met you because I was like, this dude, he hates

500
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: my guts. But I would compare like you and I'm

501
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: friends with Kane Brown. I thought Kine hated me because

502
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: Kine doesn't say a whole lot, no, no man a

503
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: few words. Yeah, now that I know Kane and love

504
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: Kane like that's one of the things I love about him.

505
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: It's like he's still who he is off stage, but

506
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: then when he gets on stage, he's he puts it

507
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: on again. Were they surprised that you wanted to get

508
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: on stage and put it on?

509
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: It definitely took some time to grow on my mom.

510
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: She didn't quite understand. She didn't quite not fathom it

511
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: at first, but she was like, I don't know, honey,

512
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. And I also took about

513
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 1: two and a half three years before she was like, okay,

514
00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: let's go.

515
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: It's also got to be weird too, because where I

516
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: come from, nobody did anything in the art community because

517
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: they worked at the mill. Like they worked at the mill,

518
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: or they had a job, you know, just because where

519
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: you and I both come from, it's not like people

520
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: move off and are, for my case, work on radio

521
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: and TV or your case. They don't move off and

522
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: become country stars. So it's not the people say you

523
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 2: can't do it, but they don't know that you can

524
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: because no one else really does it around and.

525
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: The only the only people that The only references we

526
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: had from around home, you know, comeing from construction. We

527
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: don't know the music industry, right. The only references we

528
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: had were brothers Osbourne and Maggie Rose, you know they

529
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: Maggie's from Mechanicsville and the brothers are from literally twenty

530
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: used to light Fire is the same place as they did.

531
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that has equal though to see those

532
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: guys and see that they were doing it and it

533
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: because again, there is normal I know their parents. There

534
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: is normal and blue collar.

535
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: And there's like two hundred and fifty of them of them,

536
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: of the of the os It's it's nuts, man, It's

537
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: it's nuts. I've met fifteen uncles of theirs. They They've

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: been really good to us over the last couple of years.

539
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: The first big ass show that we did was Delaware

540
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: State Fair with them, and I remember choking so bad.

541
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: I choked on Hallelujah. On Ryan Bingham's hall Oljah. I've

542
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: been playing the song for three years and just too

543
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: much happening in my brain and just completely choked on it.

544
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: But that was the biggest show that we had done

545
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: to that date. And they were so good to us

546
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: and have and have continued to be. But there they

547
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: were the only they were the only people close to

548
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: us that we were like, that's dope, you know what

549
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like and humans like us can do that?

550
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that I mean, I think representation, regardless of

551
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: what it is. You were kind of being represented by

552
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 2: somebody showing that if you want to do it, you're

553
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: good enough to do it, and you work hard enough

554
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: to it, it actually can be done. So they were

555
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: super cool. I mean, they are super cool. I love them,

556
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: both of them so much. And you knew a lot

557
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: of the Osborne family, or at least they were around.

558
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: They were around, they were down in Deal. We were

559
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: a little bays north, but we've met several several occasions,

560
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: and their riot.

561
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: The whole family because their dad, their.

562
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: Dad is I mean here on me. Yeah, yeah, your.

563
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Dad a big old boy.

564
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: He's about my size, but you're pretty big. When he

565
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: walks in a room, you think he's a lot bigger

566
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: than he is.

567
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know, you feel pretty big anyway.

568
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: He's a presence.

569
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: What's up with you like your first show, and I

570
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: say show is in the first time you ever wanted

571
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: to get on stage and play for someone that wasn't

572
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: sitting outside where you're building your new house.

573
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: The first show, the first time I ever stepped on

574
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: stage with the guitar. It was my uncle's guitar. He

575
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: played in the Air Force a little bit and it

576
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: was a washburn. I didn't even have a guitar strap.

577
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: That was the only guitar that I knew of in

578
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: the vicinity of my family.

579
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: Here just holding it, almost Johnny Cash style.

580
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I threw my foot on a bucket literally and just

581
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: put it on my knee and went and I did.

582
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: My mother's grandfather built the train station that is now

583
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: the Irish pub that I started in. It's like the

584
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: restaurant and down that it's the bar. But yeah, man,

585
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: it was two Drake White songs and Cost of Living

586
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: by Running Done. Those were the first three songs I

587
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: played on stage with a guitar. And that's in the

588
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: middle of the town that my parents grew up in,

589
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: so they know everybody and their mother. So you have

590
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: an attic bar full of one hundred and fifty people

591
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: and you could here here you could hear a pin draw. Really,

592
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: it was awesome.

593
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: What about the first show you ever got paid to do?

594
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the first paid gig I ever had.

595
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I got paid eighty bucks. It was a Thursday night.

596
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I had just gotten out of football practice and didn't

597
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: even showered. Roll over there in my bronco. And you

598
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: know those uncles that aren't really your uncles. Yeah, okay,

599
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: I have an uncle, Marv right, and he also plays music.

600
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: He he did Jimmy Buffett for years, Marshall Tucker, all

601
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, just you know, bar gigs. And

602
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: he was like, well, you can come up here and

603
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: kill two hours if you want. I mean we God,

604
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: we did two hundred and fifty shows together, maybe you know,

605
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: over the span of four or five years, you know,

606
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was a car wash. It it was

607
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: a car wash service, throwing a party, like a company

608
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: party at a car wash. And that was pretty fun.

609
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: Is that where you'd say you kind of got your

610
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: chops those shows with them, like you really started to

611
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: understand a little bit of who you were as a

612
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: performer for the first time doing those two hundred and

613
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: fifty shows.

614
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean, those are those are really long

615
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: sets acoustic, just buy up by yourself, play as many

616
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: songs as you possibly can.

617
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: You know, there would be the stories of the Beatles

618
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: when they were playing Germany and they play eight hour

619
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: sets to a bar. They sometimes play the same song

620
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: three times, nobody there most of the time, but they

621
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: would credit that to where they really found themselves or

622
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: at least the early version of who they were musically,

623
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: because they just had to figure out how to keep going.

624
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: And the more you go, the better you're gonna get. Yeah,

625
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: and I feel like you gotta know what you're capable of. Yeah,

626
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: it sounds a bit like that. Was that ear early

627
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: early part of you? When did you decide you want

628
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: to move to Nashville. It's a big move.

629
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: It took it took a while. If I I had

630
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: been making music in Baltimore with Sean by the time

631
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: all of this is happening, you know, So it was

632
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: it was a it was a I don't want to say,

633
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: a blimp on the radar, but it was. It was

634
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: not my first thought. And as we started coming down

635
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: here a little bit more to check out a little

636
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: bit more of what was going on, what would you

637
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: do first? The first time we came, I was fifteen,

638
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: and we drove down. We stopped in like Gatlinburg and

639
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: pitching Ford and played a couple of open mics and

640
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: stuff and did the rhyman, did the opry, all the

641
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: touristy things. Worked with a couple of people down here

642
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: very lightly and whatnot. But it was not my first thought.

643
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: What made me want to do it is that I

644
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: signed a record deal. I just just like, I can't

645
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: do this from back home, do what the whole artist shebang.

646
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, I need to be accessible down here. You know,

647
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: as time goes on, it won't always be the case

648
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: for everybody, you know, but for a time, I love

649
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: this city. I love being here. I love these back

650
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: alleys that I've walked for a long time now.

651
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean, is it starting to feel like home?

652
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I mean it's the short answers, Yes it is.

653
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I've been down here since twenty twenty. Now it reminds

654
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: me of my home a lot. You know, anywhere in

655
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: the world I could be. I could be out in

656
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: La and be you know, this feels a lot like

657
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: home to me.

658
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Why'd you name the record on the back of my dreams?

659
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: So on the back of my Dreams is a line

660
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: that we chose from Jane. It's one of my favorite

661
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: songs on the record. It's pretty witchy and mountainous. So

662
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: growing up on the East Coast, you're right there at

663
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: the foothills of West Virginia, Kentucky and all that stuff,

664
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do something that's just sounded like Appalachia,

665
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's another song on this

666
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: record called Sweet Appalacha that's all about the Yak River

667
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: and the triangle where we come from. But that line,

668
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Greenbroke was We named the last record Green Broke,

669
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: after my favorite song on the record. You know, I

670
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to name it Jane, so I just picked

671
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: a line out of there that sounded dope, and across

672
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: the whole record there is a flare of Jane. And

673
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: all of these songs, there's a you know, that moment,

674
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: a bliss that you have when you first wake up

675
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: and it's right before reality comes back and hits you.

676
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: It's the elongation of that. They all have a little

677
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: bit of that flare. Some of them are a little manic,

678
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: some of them are a little intense. They are all

679
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: little fever dreams and vignettes. Man, that are some of

680
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: them are good, some of them are bad, and some

681
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: of them are just having a good time.

682
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Do you feel like this is a bit of a

683
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: concept album?

684
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Yes?

685
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: I love concept albums. Now, it's like the only album

686
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: I would make.

687
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: The record is split down the middle, and I wanted,

688
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: I wanted. I had been working towards that for a

689
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: good long while. Now, I mean since Greenbroke, I knew

690
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted there to be a definite color change,

691
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The first half of this

692
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: record is really the reds and oranges and deep greens

693
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: of it, and then the second half is all the

694
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: blues and purples and blacks. You know, it's it's the

695
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: darkness of it, which is the second half of it.

696
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's a couple of different characters throughout this record. Man,

697
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: They're all extensions of me, you know. But yeah, man,

698
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: it's trippy little record. There's some sonic footprints on here

699
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: that are wild, some really great grooves.

700
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Talk about duct tape heart, Oh, duct tape, man, because

701
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: when you're saying that, that's what comes to mind.

702
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: So so that's me, Luke Dick, Casey Bethard there was

703
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: like three straight Christmases in a row. I got nothing

704
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: but duct tape for Christmas. I mean I had all

705
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: the neons, I had every camo that you could, you know,

706
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: all the gorilla tape, you know. And I hadn't written

707
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: a song with Casey in a while. It had been

708
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: like a year since I seen him. And Luke and

709
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: I were together one day and Luke had this duct

710
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: tape hard idea, and I was just like, that sounds fun.

711
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I had an obsession when I was a kid. Let's

712
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: do it. You know. That one's just pure fun. And

713
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: it sounds sounds like there's like not rockabilly, but there's

714
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: blues rock tunes that you know, with a Western flare

715
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: in there.

716
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

717
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

718
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: Heaven's Betsy. You were not gonna right? Was the idea?

719
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: It just playing? I don't know, but then you did.

720
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: That song has such a crazy journey man that went

721
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: from an acoustic demo, and.

722
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: Well, tell me about it. Tell me about all of it,

723
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: like even the demo that was written.

724
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: On music Row. Right down the road, Driver Williams, Benji

725
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Davis and myself and Driver walked into the door with

726
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: that title, and the first thing that popped into my

727
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: head was quite literally the flash of a picture frame,

728
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: which is worth every word that was written, of a

729
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: daddy looking down on his daughter from the outskirts, right

730
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: outside the gate, onto his daughter. It's just it's literally

731
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: a little picture frame. And I think when the video

732
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: comes out, it's gonna make a lot more sense. But

733
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: he's sitting there on the outside of the gates, the

734
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: outskirts of this cloud on a CB, hoping that that

735
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: transmission goes through. That's the first thing that flashed in

736
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: my head when it came out of his mouth. That

737
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: married me with me since that first time it came

738
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: out of his mouth, That's why I love it. And

739
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: if you listen to the words that he says, it

740
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: is so brutally heartbreaking to know. I mean, we've seen

741
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: that dynamic play it out too many times. Yeah, I've

742
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: seen this song work grown men to tears and grown

743
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: women to tears, and all the music that is behind

744
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: it is everything that that man left unsaid and all

745
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: the love that was never given. And that's why it's

746
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more intense than a few of the others.

747
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: You know, music gets me because I love my dogs

748
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: and love my dog. I mean of a couple of

749
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: dogs worth me ten twelve, thirteen years and like Carl

750
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: was like that was your dog, that my first one.

751
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: And so obviously if you're can write something about Carl.

752
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 2: Why was Karl such a great dog?

753
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: He was just the first one. He uh he is

754
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: all white and one brown ear. I had him from

755
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: the time he was about yet big. Now, Carl Carlito

756
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: was quite a legend man. He was my shotgun writer

757
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of places, especially when I got my Bronco.

758
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: But no, man, he was just fastest, grease, lightning dude

759
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: and just one of the best dogs I've ever had

760
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: in my life. And he's big blue sky right he

761
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: is he is. He died and his brother went about

762
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: two weeks after him, right right within the same time.

763
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: So he died. He died while we were out on

764
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the Blake Shelton tour, and we had written it just

765
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: a little prior to that. But he never saw the road,

766
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: he never saw the bus, never saw any of that.

767
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: Just like Betsy. That's a picture frame that is quite

768
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: literally a dog running up over a hill and in

769
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: the sunset, it was just scoring that moment and they

770
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: elongate of that moment. You know. But that's ode de Carl,

771
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: big blues O de Carl, this classic American huge rock

772
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: and just bash it away.

773
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, Carl, What do you do that's not music?

774
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: What's fun? I'll tell you.

775
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: It's hard to have hobbies in this business. You know.

776
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: When I get off the road, it's kind of just like, hey,

777
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: don't die, so you can come back here in a

778
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: couple of days and do this again. I try to

779
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: get out in the woods as much as I possibly can.

780
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: You just travel a bunch, say that, where did you go?

781
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, just this year we've been.

782
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: Like not music travel, not tour, but did you just

783
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: travel like we're traveling by yourself?

784
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Oh we went to Taos. Yeah, yeah that's what. Yeah,

785
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, I talk about Singapore and.

786
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: No I am talking about all that. Yeah, talk about Yeah,

787
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about it.

788
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: So wait, we've done a full trip around the globe

789
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: already this year. Berlyn Rotterdam.

790
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: Is that fine?

791
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: London? It was a wild time. It was really the first.

792
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: The first couple days getting over there are always chaotic.

793
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: Once you're over there, I love it. It's great. My

794
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: girdlist figure gets worked on, and I drop a few

795
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: pounds because everybody's walking so much. You know, it's a

796
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: really great time over there. But then from London, Singapore, Australia,

797
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: La and then back, so literally took off to the

798
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: east and then I came back from the west. Yeah.

799
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: He went all the way around, all the way around. Yeah,

800
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: that's crazy when when you say it like that.

801
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: And then right back to right back to tour here.

802
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: What other were you talking about? We went? I went

803
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: out to Taos for about a week. I stayed in

804
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: one of those earth ships.

805
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what Tawasa is.

806
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: You tell me Tawas, New Mexico. That's right above, Like so,

807
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: Taoas is here. You can see Wheeler Is Wheeler Mountains

808
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: right there, and then you look this way.

809
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: I've been to Albuquerque. That's about it.

810
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: You need to get to Santa Fe.

811
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever been to Santa Fe.

812
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: Santa Fe fills more, New Mexico.

813
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: It's great, it's a great.

814
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: What what what happened in Tallas? What do you like

815
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: about it?

816
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: It was just nothing but sage and mountains in the

817
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: distance and just I needed to clear my head, and

818
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: that was in the break that we were talking about earlier.

819
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I get the boys about a month and now a

820
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: month and some change. But I went out there for

821
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: about a week and stayed in the earth ship where

822
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: it's got a thirty foot garden on the inside of it.

823
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: It's all self sustaining, all that kind of stuff.

824
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: It's called a what earth ship? And what's it's shaped

825
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: like above?

826
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: Half a half of it is built into the ground.

827
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: Most of the time. They're pretty flatish, you know what

828
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean, have air conditioned a glass it's concrete slab.

829
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm out.

830
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: No, it stays like sixty three year round.

831
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's not bad then, yeah, okay, Yeah, it's sick

832
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: a lot of bugs.

833
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: No, no, not particularly, I mean.

834
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: It's it's a house Wi Fi. Yeah, okay, Well I'm

835
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: back in. Yeah that was out, but now I'm back in.

836
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: If I'll send you three, I'll send And so you

837
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: go out there, and what's the goal when you go

838
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: out or a place like this? Are you I'm assuming

839
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: you're by yourself with a very select few people and

840
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: you're just spending evenings doing what like, how do you

841
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: get out of your head?

842
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: What I can tell you on podcast. I'm really here

843
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: in months of late son like an exploration. You know,

844
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I've you get into these rets where you're like, man,

845
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: there's nothing I'm listening to here that's musically inspiring, and

846
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: you just gotta hunt for that stuff, you know. I

847
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: most of the time I have tunes rolling all the

848
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: time wherever I am.

849
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Do you mean music rolling like in your head or

850
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: music that you're just listening to listen? What's your comfort

851
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: music meaning? Because I have different versions of the music

852
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: that I listen to. If I want to just not

853
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: pay attention to music and have on what I like,

854
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put on John Mary Counting Crows, just like

855
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: I watched The Office at night because I'm not really

856
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: watching it to watch it, but I love it and

857
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: I just need it on. It makes me feel comfortable.

858
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: I already know it. It puts me in a calm

859
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: place like That's that for me? What's that for you?

860
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Put me in a calm place.

861
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: Like Ben Folds. That'll be what I put on that

862
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: I don't have to like listen to see if I

863
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: like it, like, it doesn't matter. I love all that now.

864
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: If I'm doing whatever A different type of music exploration.

865
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: But I'm like a couple of friends that send me

866
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: some more let's say, check them out. I'm listening to

867
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: that way different than I'm listening to that's dissection. Yeah,

868
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: So what is your comfort? What's your comfort music that

869
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna put on if you're just gonna chill. There's

870
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: a record.

871
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Of a band that opened for us about two years ago,

872
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: and they're from Richmond Wild Band. But the record itself,

873
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: it's self titled. It's called Holy Roller, and it's just

874
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: some some of the best Like it's not even that

875
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: it's just chill. It's just like it's the best kind

876
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: of chill music that I have on my phone as

877
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: a project, as a whole, top to bottom. So you

878
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: can let that thing you just hit play right at

879
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: the top and let it go and.

880
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: Perfect album to you? What are some of the perfect albums?

881
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple. I let you think. I think,

882
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: same trailer, different Park, Casey Musgraves. To me, that feels

883
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: like a perfect album. I think continuing from John Mayer

884
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: feels like a perfect album, meaning there's no skips, right,

885
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not gonna write, you know, write boom,

886
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: make it red and disappear from your list. Those two

887
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: are perfect.

888
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: What about you? Oh man, I don't know, only the obvious.

889
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man. I watched some of those Chris Cornell

890
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: videos if him singing that man in a studio, Oh

891
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: my god, that.

892
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: Man open vortexas to other.

893
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: Dimensions, and I would go, okay, I roll my eyes

894
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: usually when someone would say something like that. I watched

895
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: him so with the temple of the dog, you know,

896
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: before I'm going huh, And it was like it seemed

897
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 2: effortless and so full of effort at the same time

898
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: and just perfect.

899
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: He's laser beam. He laser beamed everything that came out

900
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: of his mouth. It's just yea, like the best man.

901
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: He's probably at the front of my Mount Rushmore, right

902
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: next to Robert Plant.

903
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 2: Chris Cornell one of the best ever.

904
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. He's been talking about covering audiously forever

905
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: and just god, it is just so high, you know.

906
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: And stays high, like he starts high and goes higher,

907
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: like going high. I mean, I can't even play it,

908
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: but I'll get in my algorithm on TikTok because I

909
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: love Chris Cornell and my favorites are just the live

910
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: like him singing at concerts, or him in a studio,

911
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: or him just with they'll hot, they'll isolate the raw vocals,

912
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: and it's like, how can someone do this without it

913
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: being manipulated by technology? And he's one of those rare,

914
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: super rare yeah Robert Planto two.

915
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in terms of unpredictability, especially in his live

916
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: of stuff where you think you would go up where

917
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: a regular person would go up, he goes down. Or

918
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: where you go down, he goes up. You know those

919
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: isms that not only him Cornell, everybody on my Mount

920
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: Rushmore does. Yeah, man, that's all vocal control. Man, that's

921
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: bad ass.

922
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: Who else is on that list your singers?

923
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Just out of nostalgia and the overall demeaning that I want,

924
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: demeanor that I wanted to carry in the beginning of

925
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: when I set out to do this was cash Man,

926
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash dude, just all around American badass with one

927
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: of the most iconic voices of all time and will

928
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: forever be that way. But really for all those all

929
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: those really low down, all that low down singing that

930
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: he did, because he's not a high singer. He's very

931
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: low and tough. You know what, I mean, and then

932
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: there's Whalen.

933
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Your dad listened to a lot of Whalen.

934
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: My dad listened to a lot of Murle. My mom

935
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: loved Whalen.

936
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: Two pretty strong influences. You got to coming from both sides.

937
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: You got Murle one whale on the other. Yeah, man,

938
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: they argue about who was better.

939
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: Hey my mom. My mom was not that confrontational about

940
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: music as as her offspring. Her offspring was.

941
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: So what's the goal with this record? Like, what do

942
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: you want people to feel here?

943
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Do? There's some songs on this record that are designed

944
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: to pull at your heartstrings. There's someone here that are

945
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: designed to make you move your feet and sway your hips,

946
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: And there's someone here that are supposed to make you

947
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: want to run through a brick wall at least how

948
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: I digest music, Man, I need something appropriate for the

949
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: appropriate time, for what I am feeling at the time.

950
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different emotions happening here, and it's

951
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: they all operate at the extreme ends of those emotions,

952
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

953
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you challenged yourself to write and

954
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: record this record to where it almost got a little

955
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: bit uncomfortable because you're really pushing it.

956
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pushed hard, you know. But just like we

957
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, you got to know what you're

958
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: capable of. This. This is a wild This is a

959
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: really big project that has taken a good while to

960
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: put together, you know, and it is vocally a hard record, man,

961
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: is up there? You know.

962
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder when you record a song and

963
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: it's a really hard record to record whenever you're going

964
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: to perform it live? Why did I record that song

965
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: like this? Because now I gotta sing it every night?

966
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah?

967
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean, And that's the version of what I'm saying

968
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: about pushing yourself, Like that's pushing yourself to do it

969
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: and then know you're gonna have to always do it

970
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: that way. M h.

971
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: And it's knowing that I can do it is what

972
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm after, Like being able to do it outside of

973
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: the studio. I mean, we've been playing Big Blue and

974
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Train and Sweet Apple and a couple of these other

975
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: songs out on the road for a while and we're

976
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: doing it, you know. But that is the other side

977
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: of that coin, is not only being able to do

978
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: it in the studio, but to be able to do

979
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: it live every night and push yourself that much further

980
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: and that much harder. Ain't nobody ever gonna be able

981
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: to take that away?

982
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: Well, then you're gonna go listen to tape of it.

983
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you through it, but you're getting better

984
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: because you keep putting yourself through it. You keep getting better.

985
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: It has worked wonders not only for me, but for

986
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: my men as well, because like the curse is like,

987
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: we're never going to know what we sound like on

988
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: the other side of that pa fully, like in the flesh,

989
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, all the closest thing we will get is

990
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: to a multi track. So it just it's helped me

991
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: immensely as a singer. And like I can hear where

992
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm running out of breath and where I'm pushing too hard,

993
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: and like where I need to open it all up

994
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: and drop my jaw and all that stuff.

995
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: Do you talk much?

996
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: No? No, I do not, No, not on stage.

997
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: That would be what I would be afraid of. And

998
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: I recorded a comedy special and we've just gone through

999
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: the edits and I'm doing a talking special and I

1000
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: hate me talking. And I think if I were listening

1001
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: back to myself, I'll be like, well, I'll say that

1002
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: between those songs that sounds so stupid. But as you

1003
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: can tell, I hate myself for the most part. Anything

1004
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: else I'm like, oh, I hate me. But so you

1005
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: don't talk a lot, so you don't have to like criticize.

1006
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: No, but we're we are our biggest critics, yeah, you know.

1007
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean I I don't want to think about where

1008
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: we would be if we weren't biggest critics.

1009
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: But I think you also know how to celebrate what

1010
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: you're doing right and actually do that better too. You know,

1011
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: it's pretty healthy, Jackson, It's pretty healthy.

1012
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: It's weird talking up there, man, And it's just I'd

1013
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: rather let the song speak for themselves, you know, and

1014
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: how I'm singing them songs speak for itself.

1015
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Last question, if I were to open your closet, is

1016
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: it all black.

1017
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: The majority? Yes, there might be some tan, some beige,

1018
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: but for the majority, yeah, it's black.

1019
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm severely color blind with dark colors, so you could

1020
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: be wearing blue, but from what I know of you,

1021
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: it's mostly black. When you buy new clothes, it mostly black.

1022
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: You also can wear the same stuff over and over

1023
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: again and nobody really even knows the difference because it's

1024
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: mostly all black anyway.

1025
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Exactly, man. I got I got ten black Pearl snaps

1026
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: that are some of the best show shirts I have

1027
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: ever had, and I got them year ago and they're

1028
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: all the same, just pitch black, just wonderful.

1029
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a big fan.

1030
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, ma'am.

1031
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the record. You can follow Jackson and we

1032
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: mentioned a lot of this stuff before you came in

1033
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: in the pre but at the Jackson Dene Jackson Dene

1034
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: music and you're uh as when this airs, he's out

1035
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: with land you right, Mike, when this airs doing some

1036
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: random shows.

1037
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we did Pearl and yeah, man, we got

1038
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: we got a few of them.

1039
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, But I mean the real place

1040
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: to see Jackson if you can see him do a

1041
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: whole freaking set when he's headlining it, that's where to

1042
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: see him. We have people that I'm very close to

1043
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: that are very close to you, and they.

1044
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Just they love you.

1045
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: I like you a lot, they love you. So all right,

1046
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: thank you guys, and uh yeah, everything else will be

1047
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: in the notes. You can follow Jackson and all the

1048
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: album information is there, all right, go to see dude.

1049
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: Thank you too, man, Thanks for having me.

1050
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby cast production

1051
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: M