1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Lo well out of context. This is going to sound 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: very strange, but Nazis, as Nazis have done a lot 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: for this show as a topic, as a topic, not 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: as a political stance, not as not as a group. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: We don't condone it at all. This is hot Nazi 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: takes with Ben Bolan. Oh my gosh, but these are 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: so you know there there's so many conspiracy theories wrapped 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: up right in uh the the tremendously villainous thing known 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: as the Nazi Party and pre like prefiguring their involvement 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: in World War Two. Even after we still years after 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: we originally made this episode, we still have tons of 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: stuff about Nazis that we haven't investigated. It's very and 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: as we state in the episode, you're about to listen to, 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating things about Nazis was all 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: it was all the technological advancements that were being made 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: by that regime and by Germany in general at the 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: time of World War Two. So that combined with just 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: the plethora of rumors that were circulating about the regime 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: and about the capabilities they had, combined with the actual 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: weird stuff they were doing, it leads you down some 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: some odd pathways. How about that mind controlled death ray? 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: Am I right? Or did? I wait? I think it 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe combined two things, But that sounds cool. Yeah, it's 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: It's strange because there was so many allegations of uh, 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: secretive research and hidden technology on the side of the 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Nazi Party, that it's reasonable to assume that there was 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: some sort of grain of truth to these legends. One 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: of the longest standing tales in post World War Two 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: conspiracy lore is the idea that the the Nazi scientists 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: somehow created what we would call UFOs today and UH, 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: behind the scenes peak we were we did not think 32 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: we would find what we found. I guess this is 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: the best way to say without spoiling it. That's right, 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: And neither did the United States Navy when on the 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: day we're recording this, it's been disclosed that that secretive 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena project that allegedly ended in two thousand 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: twelve continues today. They just announced this. The New York 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Times was writing about it as we record this today. 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: So as you're going through and listening to this, just 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: think about, you know, what could be out there today 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: that maybe had some origins back in old World War 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: two from UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History 43 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now 44 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 45 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. This is if they don't want 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: you to know. My name is Matt Frederick and my 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: name is Ben Bulling, and today we're going to talk 48 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: about something that's a little out there. It's kind of fun. 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: I enjoyed a lot fun. Yeah, this is fun, man, 50 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: I enjoyed this topic. You don't you know? Yeah, wait, 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: I know. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good with it. 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: I just I guess I can see how some of 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: it is is fun because because it's real history, is 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: real history combined with some of the little crazier stuff. 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: It's exactly the it's the perfect spot where here there 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: are the facts, and here's where it gets crazy meat, 57 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: at least for me. Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. 58 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: So let's let the let the badger out of the 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: bag here, let the cat out in the bag now. Yeah, yeah, 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: let's let the World War two badger get out of 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: the bag here and talk about Nazis, the Nazi Party, 62 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: uh well, not specifically, just the Nazis, right something else 63 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: because you guys, Matt Night run into Nazi topics fairly often. 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: They're a bit pervasive in the conspiracy world, right, And 65 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: one of the reasons they're so pervasive is that there 66 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: is often a grain of truth to the claims. Now, 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the claims may get exaggerated, but it 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: is true that the Nazis tried a lot of weird stuff. Man, 69 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: they got weird with it. And I think that some 70 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: of the insanity of the regime there, which did have 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: catastrophic and tragic consequences um that have scarred the world 72 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: the present day, even uh, it came from a kind 73 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: of underlying, really bizarre place and uh. And this all 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: leads us to today's episode, which is not just Nazis, 75 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: but one of our mutual favorite topics, Nazi UFOs. You know, 76 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: I just realized been I think that's the longest it's 77 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: ever taken for us to get to the actual topic, 78 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: which you know, it's in the title. When someone wanted 79 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: to click and listen to this, we could have just 80 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: jumped in. It's fun though, I enjoyd doing it this way. 81 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: So in uh, in World War two, some interesting things happen, uh, 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: fighter pilots and uh, I guess even some civilian pilots 83 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: for the Allies start reporting something they call foo fighters. 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: Food fighters. Are these points of light that follow along 85 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: with the aircraft or seemed to do um do physics 86 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: defying aerial maneuvers. Uh. The pilots don't know what they are, 87 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: they don't know where they're coming from. Well, and one 88 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: of the reasons a lot of these pilots thought it 89 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: was something other worldly or something from the Nazis, some 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: high tech things, because they're all these rumors occurring at 91 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: the time about insane Nazi technology in these in these 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: different areas, and propulsion in um planes even submarines and 93 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. So I think the pilots 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: were more I don't know, it was almost like they 95 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: were looking forward something, so they were more prone to 96 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: believe it. Maybe that a confirmation bias. Yeah, And the 97 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: thing is that this leads us to these two facts 98 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: together they lead us to today's question, did the Nazis 99 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: really have secret technology? Did they have something that would 100 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: be like a UFO. Before we continue, though, there's one 101 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: thing that we do have to point out, and that 102 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: is that all a UFO is is an unidentified flying object. 103 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: It could be a bird, it could be Superman, it 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: could it could be something that came off of a propeller. 105 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: It could just be you know, a very confused fish. Yes, 106 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: And but the cool thing about the the food fighters 107 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: is that those are aim to pilots who would normally 108 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: know pretty much anything that's flying near them what it is, 109 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: and they could probably tell you exactly, oh this is 110 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: a blank right yeah, and they're telling you I have 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: no idea what this thing was, and it was doing 112 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: things physics that physically defy other planes. That's a very 113 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: good point because these are not just green pilots. These 114 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: are experienced combat veterans in many cases. But with that 115 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: being said that a UFO we often almost always here 116 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: it associated with aliens or extra terrestrials. It might just 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: be a misidentified aircraft. Um. But when we go to 118 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: Nazi technology, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this one 119 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: to you, here's where it gets crazy. They absolutely we're 120 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: trying secretive technology, new innovative things. You can look at 121 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: a lot of inventions or how would the projects R 122 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and D. You can look a lot of the aren't 123 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: you can look at a lot of the R and 124 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: D projects, like the Horton h O to two nine, 125 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: That is my favorite. The Horton brothers, they were really 126 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: innovative in UH. Was that jet propulsion? Yeah they were. 127 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: They were experts in aerodynamic design, jet propulsion, they were. 128 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: They were essentially aerospace engineers and rocket treatment. In a 129 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: lot of ways, the Nazis had real life rocket scientists 130 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: who were doing work that was far, far beyond stuff 131 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: that Russia, the British, the French, the United States, even 132 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: the Japanese were doing. And this this is interesting because 133 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: the grain of truth is there. The Horton hoe to 134 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: to nine UH was built in a flying wing design 135 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that was revolutionary for the time. It is very, very 136 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: difficult to overstate how crazy this thing was. Now did 137 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: it work while the Allies won the war? And there 138 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: were there was never a fleet of Horton hose that 139 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: we know of flying around. But that's not the only thing. 140 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: The Nazis also had other attempts to make, even like 141 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: flying disc like um the sack A S six. But 142 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: what this gives us is this gives us a couple 143 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: of things. This gives us the knowledge that yes, there 144 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: really were unorthodox experiments with flying vehicles. And the question 145 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: is how many of these made it to the drawing board, 146 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: how many of them never made it off the drawing board, 147 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: How many of them actually got tested in flight? Uh, 148 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: there there a few provable cases of it, so not 149 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: very many, but there are provable cases where we know 150 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: that Nazi scientists did exhibit this, and of course let alone. 151 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: Uh that's not even counting their their unmanned flight research, 152 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: their rocketry programs. Now, now here's where the skeptical side 153 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: of me comes in. Okay, I've seen the pictures of 154 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: the Horton n h O and the sax A s 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: S six and they don't sound anything like what these 156 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: food fighters looked like, or at least the reports of 157 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: the food fighters. You know, that's a great that's a 158 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: great point, and I think that it's a very important 159 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: point to make at this time because they descriptions of 160 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: the food fighters not sound like terrestrial vehicles. They sound 161 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: like some sort of weird sentient light. And um, we'll 162 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: see when when I hear it. Just from being in 163 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: video production and working with cameras and lenses a lot, 164 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like a weird lens flare to me, and 165 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: I would love to see footage of it, just to 166 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: really analyze it and look at the angles and direction 167 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: where they're seeing this flashing light. Yeah, and it's weird 168 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: because a lot of the a lot of the pilots 169 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: of this time, of course, they didn't have recording equipment. Necessarily, 170 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: they had audio, and there might be some records of 171 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: that audio. But who knows. What happened to most of 172 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: them and food fighters could be explained by any number 173 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: of let's call them mundane explanations. I love Lens flair. 174 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a strong candidate. There's also the idea 175 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: that could be some sort of electrical discharge, right um, 176 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: or maybe people were suffering from some sort of disorientation 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: or vertigo um. Or maybe we can't attribute this to 178 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: a single cause, you know, maybe it's looking back in 179 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: retrospect that gives us the gives us the tendency to 180 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: group all of these things as one type of event, 181 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, And I think I think it's possible. But um. Also, 182 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: let's keep in mind there's another role here, which I 183 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: guess I should have mentioned earlier, and that's wartime propaganda 184 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: both sides. Yeah, that little guy. Yeah. So both sides 185 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: World War two, the Allies and the access powers, we're 186 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: just row b s at each other left and right. Uh, 187 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: doing propaganda for the citizens when they could get access 188 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: to radio waves and stuff, doing um dropping leaflets and 189 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: then having spies dispersed rumors about you know, uh anything 190 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: from American and Nazi Superman's like real life Captain America's. 191 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's so weird to me trying to play 192 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: and trying to negatively affect the morale of the other 193 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: side that it's so interesting to me. It's a strange 194 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: game of chess in a way, and it has some um, 195 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: it has intangible, powerful effects. But with that in mind, 196 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves ourselves, is the idea of 197 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Nazi secret technology? Did the exaggeration come from history later 198 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: or did it come directly from the Nazis? Did they 199 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: happen to play up these claims a little bit more? Um, 200 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. The one thing we do know 201 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: is that where people will say that we're remiss if 202 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: we don't mention this. The Brotherhood of the bell is 203 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: um a book that came out in English that comes 204 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: from and it was originally the idea was fostered by 205 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: a Polish writer. Then this Polish writer claimed that he 206 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: had spoken with some ex Polish intelligence agency members and 207 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: that they said they had interviewed some Nazis in the 208 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: wake of World War Two, and that one of these Nazis, 209 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: a high ranking official in the in the regime, had 210 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: had revealed to them that the scientists, the Access scientists, 211 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: cracked the code on what would essentially be anti gravity, 212 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: negating the normal effects of gravity, and that they had 213 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: built something that looked like a bell, and that this 214 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: bell was able to, uh, somehow defy the bounds of 215 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: physics and travel at incredible speeds. Makes sharp corners, um. 216 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: And another thing, I know, I'm going kind of off 217 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: the deep ends here, Matt. Another thing that's really interesting 218 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: is in some ancient Indian myths there are descriptions of 219 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: flying machines that were understood to work off of some 220 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: mus Yeah, yeah, good call, and that I can't remember. 221 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Is this the punisha where these are at? Okay, Well, 222 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: somebody will tell us if we're wrong, and I will 223 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: I will look back and correct that. But the the 224 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: story here, um becomes a game of connecting very tenuous 225 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: dots are making very tenuous connections between dots. Uh, there's 226 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: another thing called the Kesburg incident, which people can look 227 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: up for more information and don't know if we touch 228 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: on that in our video, I don't think we did. Okay, Well, 229 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: that is something that we will probably return to in 230 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: the future. Then. But with all this, what I'm saying 231 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: here is, with with all of this, a lot of 232 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: the emphasis on Nazi UFOs entered the mainstream after the 233 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: publication of these books. Now, of course the Polish author 234 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have um tangible proof that he can offer, and 235 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: of course a lot of the people who make claims 236 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: about the so called Nazi bell and stuff don't have 237 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: the most credibility, let's put it that way, the most. Yeah, 238 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: they don't have the most credibility in the world. And uh, 239 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: there is a site, Uh, there is a site in Europe. 240 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: However that is a flooded mine. Yeah. You remember the 241 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: concrete structure that allegedly housed the bell. Yes, and that 242 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: was again allegedly a secret testing ground. Now, because the 243 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: mind is flooded, people haven't been able to secure access 244 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: to the I guess the the entirety of the mind. 245 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: So people really don't know what's down there, and who knows, Man, 246 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: who knows what they would find down there. I'm going 247 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: to say probably a lot of corpses and mining equipment, 248 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: but they're would be something else. The only way to 249 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: know is to go down there. Oh, man, what that 250 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: would be so awesome if that was actually there, hidden 251 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: deep inside that mine and some divers went in there, 252 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: and guess what, we're making a movie. We're making a movie. 253 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna make a movie about that? Is it Nicolas 254 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage? In the Nazi minds, it would 255 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: be a sequel. It would be a sequel to National Treasure, Yeah, 256 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: the third or fourth one. Yeah, I don't know if 257 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: you can even call it a sequel at that point. 258 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: It's just like fifth in the series. And would a 259 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Nazi bell remniansts of a Nazi bell will really be 260 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: a national treasure? I guess it depends on the nation. 261 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: So the one thing that we can say that is 262 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: a that is a little bit more of the grain 263 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: of truth stuff. So we've mentioned some of the more 264 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: provocative claims, and we've also mentioned I think that while 265 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: there is some proof, it seems that a lot of 266 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: the a lot of the grain of truth. Aspect of 267 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: this has been exaggerated. So let's talk about one of 268 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: the strangest things. Um. Oh, we're going to get to 269 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: the closest that we know approvable Nazi UFOs, however indirectly, 270 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: and that starts with a little something called Operation paper Clip. Yeah. 271 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: This is when scientists, German scientists, after the war, after 272 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: World War Two, they came over to the US and 273 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: they started working for US agencies like NASA, UM or 274 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: was it NASA at the time, I guess it wasn't. Well, 275 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: they started working for UM the War Department directly. They 276 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: also started working with some private arms contractors, defense contractors. 277 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: And the Operation paper Clip was top secret because let's 278 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: remember that after the close of the war and the 279 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: discovery of various acts of genocide on the part of 280 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany, people were not trying to invite anyone affiliated 281 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: with the regime into any sort of safety, you know, 282 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: And so Operation paper Clip was conducted in secret, and 283 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: the OSS, precursor to the CIA, worked too craft identities 284 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: for these German scientists, um, several of whom were, yes, 285 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: working against their will. Uh So I'm not saying that 286 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: all of these people were you know, trigger happy murderers 287 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: or something. Um. But they they were affiliated with this regime. 288 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: They were doing work for the Nazi government. Uh the 289 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: United States did uh cast that aside, give them some 290 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: form of immunity. UH, take them away to the United 291 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 1: States and have them continue their rocketry research. Most directly, 292 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: I would think of Verna von Braun, who was one 293 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: of the leading researchers in the US and rocketry after 294 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: his time with the Nazis. This uh, this stuff that 295 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: they worked on allowed them to advance U S rocketry, 296 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: of course, way past where it was when they began, 297 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: and way faster than anybody thought they would, which leads 298 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: us to ultimately the descendants of the secret Nazi technology, 299 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: in particular that flying wingt At least that's the one 300 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: that I think of as the best example, which then 301 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: became stealth bomber. Yeah. Yeah, the principles behind that used there. 302 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking even more, if we want to go 303 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: to space with it, if we want to take the 304 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: alien idea of a UFO, then the rocketry work by 305 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: these former Nazi scientists ultimately lead to the ability to 306 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: create the rockets that we would need to take human 307 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: beings into space. Which means that NASA created something u 308 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: a UFO I guess descended from Nazi technology. So weirdly enough, 309 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: space shuttles are one of the best examples of secret 310 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Nazi technology doing amazing things. It is pretty crazy, but 311 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: it's also um, it's also kind of work in progress, 312 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: because we have to realize that at this point a 313 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: lot of the story is still classified, which which just 314 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: baffles me. But you know, um, information about Pearl Harbor 315 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: is still classified to a degree. JFK. Those files haven't 316 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: been released. Yeah, sorry, No, it's fine. It's literally stuff 317 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Uh. So we've explored 318 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: some of the some of the claims about Nazi UFOs, 319 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: and we have a pretty exciting time ahead of us, 320 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: I think for anybody who's interested in this topic, because 321 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: there's so much more speculation out there, but there's also 322 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: so much more to discover. Who knows, who knows what 323 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: files might be routing in a filing cabinet somewhere in 324 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe? You know, who knows what's uh, what's sitting 325 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: there in a dank basement in the Kremlin or in 326 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: a flooded mine right exactly in a flooded mind. And 327 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: with that we will will tie up this episode and 328 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: thank you guys as always for listening. We do hope 329 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: that you enjoyed our exploration of the strange story of 330 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Nazi UFOs. You know what I'd like to ask format 331 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: if we have anybody who feels they've had an experience 332 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: with a foo fighter, I'd love to hear that description. 333 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: Now I'm not talking about Dave girl, okay, because I've 334 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: had one of those. You have have have one of those? Uh. 335 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: The the things that we'd like to hear about our 336 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts on secret Nazi technology. Has it been suppressed 337 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: or has it simply been exaggerated? Uh? And is there something, 338 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: of course more specific that you would like us to 339 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: dig into, because as always, our best topics come from you, 340 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: our listeners, So let us know about it. Give us 341 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: a holler on Facebook, you can drop us a tweet 342 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter. And that's the end of this classic episode. 343 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 344 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 345 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: of different ways. One of the best is to give 346 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: us a call. 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