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Speaker 1: What's happening everybody? Happy Championship Monday. That's right, Who's house?

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Speaker 1: Koog's house National Championship tonight. You hear that right here

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Speaker 1: at Sports Radio six ten, our buddy Kevin Coogler have

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Speaker 1: the Westwood one call tonight for the Houston Cougars taking

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Speaker 1: on the Florida Gators. This is Texans All Access. But

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Speaker 1: we love our Koogs and we are very, very proud

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Speaker 1: of them. John Harris alongside Mark Vandermin Mark that on

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Speaker 1: Saturday was one of the great wins I will say

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Speaker 1: in Houston sports history, what the Koogs did against the

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Speaker 1: Duke Blue Devils.

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Speaker 2: I like the immediate Texans tie in with Kevin Kugler. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how about that calls our preseason TV broadcasts with you

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Speaker 2: and the booth and Indie Kalou and you guys are back,

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Speaker 2: Yeah for a run it back year. We went with

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Speaker 2: that three man booth last year and Shelby Coppage on

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Speaker 2: the sideline.

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Speaker 3: So that's cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: So I like that tie and right there and of

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Speaker 2: course Andre Ware, our radio color commentator, Yeah, who is awesome.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I did it again this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Somebody who's asking me about Andrea or something about his role,

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Speaker 2: and I said color commentator, and they thought it was

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Speaker 2: some kind of race thing. God like, No, it's color

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Speaker 2: to the broadcast. He provides color. This is not a

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Speaker 2: race that my gosh, Really, we still need to educate

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Speaker 2: people on this. But anyway, Andre obviously proud Koog Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer, college Football Hall of Famer, Heisman Trophy winner,

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Speaker 2: didn't play basketball at the University of Houston, but maybe

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Speaker 2: he could have.

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Speaker 3: Could have.

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Speaker 2: He was drafted in baseball and he's a hell of

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Speaker 2: a basketball player in his day and still could probably

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Speaker 2: shoot the Jay.

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Speaker 3: Let's just yeah, he could.

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Speaker 2: Hear, but he's fired up for this one. Everybody's fired

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Speaker 2: up for this one tonight, Johnny. I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: I love the comeback. I love that it was Duke because,

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Speaker 2: let's just face it, Duke is kind of like they're

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Speaker 2: almost Yankee like in college basketball. Yeah, they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of fans who are never going to set foot

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Speaker 2: on that campus, that's right, But they're Duke fans. And

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Speaker 2: then they have a lot of fans that hate their guts.

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Speaker 2: So it's a love hate thing. You either love him

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Speaker 2: or you hate them. And I don't like them at all,

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Speaker 2: all right, They've had players that I've admired and liked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I liked Bobby Hurley a little bit, did not like Latner.

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Speaker 2: I kind of felt not as bad as the Fab

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Speaker 2: five felt about him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean sometimes you see that, you know, sequence of

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Speaker 2: little interview snippets from.

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Speaker 3: The thirty to thirty, and they use it as a me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say what they say, but it's really good. Jimmy,

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Keys, he's a bee. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the thing was, as they've grown older, they realized,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah he was a beat in a different way,

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Speaker 1: like he was a tough bee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tweeted this jokingly. Later would have made the shot.

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Speaker 1: Later would have made the shot to Roberts, He would

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Speaker 1: have made the turner, the flag shot. Yeah, the flag shot.

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Speaker 1: That was a pretty weak shot in that look. It's

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Speaker 1: easier for me to say, I'm on my couch in

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Speaker 1: that hit the rim. Hit the above part of the rim,

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Speaker 1: not the front of the rim.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna missed that shot, that SHOT's gonna be

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Speaker 2: on the rim, Right, it's gotta have a ch chants

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Speaker 2: to go completely sure, no chance, completely short, And I

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Speaker 2: get it's a touch shot, fade away with a contested hand.

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Speaker 2: But you gotta do better than that. Okay the call.

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Speaker 2: Didn't like the call either, but liked it for the Kougs.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, Duke, you had your chance get the.

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Speaker 3: Ball in bounds. We can't draw up. What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I watched Florida the game before Florida was playing. Why

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Speaker 1: am i john to blank Auburn? And Florida gets a lead,

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Speaker 1: and so Florida's now got to get the ball out

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Speaker 1: against heavy full court pressure. Florida puts all five guys.

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Speaker 1: I saw it like they're five guys lined up in

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Speaker 3: I loved it. And somebody got open.

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Speaker 2: It was like, hike, yeah, everybody goes listen stealing that

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Speaker 1: I mean it was awesome. I'm like, that is fantas

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Speaker 1: and somebody got open.

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Speaker 2: I'm coaching that. I'm coaching a youth league team right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm stealing that for an inbounds because you know what,

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Speaker 2: you could run crossers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and Florida Riley just picks an open guy. Who

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Speaker 1: The was the Pacers? I think the Pacers were playing

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Speaker 1: the Pacers were playing somebody. It was back in February.

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Speaker 1: Is February March, and it was at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game, and they did a similar inbounds play, but

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Speaker 1: it was from the side court. It wasn't full quarter,

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Speaker 1: so the side court, but they did something similar and

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Speaker 1: they literally ran like a little switch route. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Halliberg and gets the ball, got an open three look

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Speaker 1: at the end to win the game. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've always said sports feed sports, but yeah, Duke and

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Speaker 1: I thought this right after the game. You know, Duke

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Speaker 1: gagged it. Duke gagged a fourteen point leading nine minutes left.

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Speaker 1: They gagged a six point lead with thirty five seconds

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Speaker 1: left or whatever it was after Nipple hit the free

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Speaker 3: By the way, I used to do that. I used

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Speaker 3: to be the inbounds thrower.

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Speaker 1: I used to be the guy always inbounding the ball

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Speaker 1: because I could always find a guy coach trusted me.

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Speaker 1: But I would as soon as I got the ball,

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Speaker 1: I would place the ball in front of me, just

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Speaker 1: like I'm holding a platter. Yeah, And I just would

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Speaker 1: touch it. I got them three times as a senior

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Speaker 1: and I literally would they would reach over. I dropped

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Speaker 1: and I would force the raft to have to you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's all technical foul. It's a technical technical foul.

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Speaker 1: And so I think Tugler was just kind of scrambling

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Speaker 1: to stay with with James. I think who was starting

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Speaker 1: take the ball. Yeah, I would steal a possession. I

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Speaker 3: And we'd make it. At one point.

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Speaker 2: What's the football equivalent of can't get the ball in bounds,

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Speaker 2: can't get a third and inches and then it's fourth

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's really no equivalent. I think it's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost like you get nine yards on

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's first. It's first to goal. With the one.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's like first of goal with the one, especially

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Speaker 1: that late in the game, and you just can't get

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Speaker 3: It's goal line stand time. It's they gotta take a

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Speaker 3: time out, and then you gotta take another time out.

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Speaker 1: What was it the Auburn or Floorida game where it

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Speaker 1: was like there were four point six seconds it was

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Speaker 1: that close to a throw in she could have gotten.

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Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, yeah, oh.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was like four point nine or yeah,

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Speaker 1: four point five to nine. It was like really really close.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I didn't know that they could do that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't they could time it. But either way, the

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Speaker 1: Kugs went and snatched that game for but you couldn't

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Speaker 3: They were just doing it for your viewing pleasure. I

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Speaker 3: don't think you can review. I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: I think if you I thought they said it first,

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Speaker 1: you could and then I said later on that you couldn't.

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Speaker 1: But the Kugs went and took that ball game they

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Speaker 1: had been and I think this is this is something

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Speaker 1: miss in a sense, do get plenty. We have opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the last three months of the year. They didn't

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Speaker 1: play close game from like November or something on. You

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Speaker 1: know what John Shire should have done. He should have

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Speaker 1: manufactured in the close game at the end of a game,

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Speaker 1: he should have manufactured one.

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Speaker 3: I mean the pups, guys. I know it's hard to listen.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hard. I get it.

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Speaker 1: But you at least should have gotten into a situation

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Speaker 1: where one time you had to just let it play

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Speaker 1: to a close game, well I'll top you.

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Speaker 2: Instead of that, or in addition to or whatever, manufacture

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Speaker 2: a situation where it's hard to get the ball in pounds. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because that's really I'm not gonna say all they had

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Speaker 2: If they don't get it stolen where you had the

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Speaker 2: miss three and then to put back slam, well they're

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Speaker 2: going to the line and maybe it's game over at

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe because.

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Speaker 2: The sharp three with thirty one seconds to go, is

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Speaker 2: that what it was? Yeah, the sharp three thirty three

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Speaker 2: second was the game changer. That was because it goes

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Speaker 2: from six to three all of a sudden, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: one procession game stealing a bucket.

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Speaker 3: And is tied.

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Speaker 2: That's a heightening up of the certain medical area situation

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Speaker 2: for this exactly right, and going back and watching Duke

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Speaker 2: attempt to get the ball and bounds.

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Speaker 1: It was a guy throwing the ball in bounds and

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Speaker 1: there were two guys working, I say in air quotes

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Speaker 3: That's it. You can't have that.

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Speaker 1: I know, maybe you don't want Malowatts to shoot free throws,

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Speaker 1: always got a pretty good stroke, or maybe you don't

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Speaker 1: want Procter or whomever, but that should be an all

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Speaker 1: five guy endeavor to get the ball in especially against

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Speaker 3: Exactly against those guys.

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Speaker 1: But what I loved so much about the Koogs and

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Speaker 1: then here's why I'm gonna tie it into the Texas

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Speaker 1: and I want your thoughts on this. So as I'm

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Speaker 1: watching Friday night, the Rockets had beat the breaks off

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Speaker 1: the thunder at home and they gave up one hundred.

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Speaker 1: But that's a Rockets defense that I think Seth said

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Speaker 1: today in the month of March, it's like third in

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Speaker 1: the league in defense, Like they could choke you out

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Speaker 1: with length and athletes. I mean, between I'm and Thompson

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Speaker 1: and Jalen Green out be inside Dylan Brooks. Just the

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Speaker 1: feistiness that they play with defensively, when they win, they

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Speaker 1: play defensively that way. The Kugs play like this all

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Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, well, it's all the station. They they

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Speaker 1: don't mind holding the bully down on the playground with

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Speaker 1: a foot on the throat and say try and breathe,

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Speaker 1: but we're not gonna let you up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then I think about the Texans in a sense

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Speaker 1: with the defense they have, Like these teams can win

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Speaker 1: championships with defense, but when they get the offensive components

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Speaker 1: working with it, that's when they can go win the

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Speaker 2: We're gonna send waves after you. But they kind of

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Speaker 3: You know that the Cougar swarm. They swarm in basketball language. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: They're just all encompassing.

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Speaker 1: Like they'll trap off a damn ball screen and you're

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Speaker 3: Like how do I get out of this? So I

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Speaker 1: The way the Coug's play basketball and waey the Texas

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Speaker 3: And we always said it about the Coogs and basketball.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know they're gonna lock you up defensively because

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Speaker 3: Before the tournament started, I picked Florida to win the tournament. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Bigs are good. Yeah, they can shoot it. They've got athletes.

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Speaker 3: Have you missed it?

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Speaker 1: Elijah Martins number fifteen for Florida. He played it for

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Speaker 1: So Florida can match athlete for athlete in this one,

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Speaker 2: Normally we don't talk about this, but I happened to

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Speaker 1: It was the other night Ni Koog's Dude game. Remember

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Speaker 3: People were, oh no, that's what can you believe that

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Speaker 2: That's the problem with this because somebody's got free throws

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I've always thought about this guy

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Speaker 1: His guy named Steve Saban on Radio Sure and Zabe

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Speaker 3: More like him. Yeah, I had to admit it, but

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Speaker 1: We're one from fourteen down to eight or nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, they're back in this.

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Speaker 2: When it's singles, you're like, all right, maybe maybe a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes left. Inside two minutes you're in singles,

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Speaker 2: you know, three here, magical steal there, And that's.

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Speaker 3: Exactly what happened. Yeah, here's the other thing I thought

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Speaker 3: of two.

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Speaker 1: When it was sixty seven sixty one, there was a

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Speaker 1: minute left, And this goes back to the thought of

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Speaker 1: du not playing in close games versus Houston have played

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Speaker 1: in a bunch of close games. Iron Eagle, Bill Raftery

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Speaker 1: and Grant Hill both made mention of the fact that

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Speaker 1: with about a little minute left and up and down six,

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Speaker 1: Houston played defense. They didn't foul, they didn't get into

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Speaker 1: a foul game. Yeah, they played defense. And they all

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Speaker 1: questioned like, do you think Houston should be doing this?

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Speaker 1: And actually turned out it was perfect that they were

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Speaker 1: I think it. I think that's almost textbook though. If

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Speaker 1: you're a good defensive team.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's got to be you would think you got

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Speaker 2: to get a miss, get the rebound, go get a score, get.

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Speaker 1: A bucket, and I start fouling it. But it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit closer at that point. But they didn't. But

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Speaker 1: they were kind of incredulous to the fact that Kelvin

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Speaker 1: decided to go ahead and play it out. And I

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Speaker 1: promise you there has been a game in which Kelvin

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Speaker 1: did that during the season. They didn't panic, they played defense,

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Speaker 1: They got to stop sharp, hit the three, then they

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Speaker 1: got to steal, and all of a sudden, it's a

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Speaker 1: one point game and Duke's got to go down and

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Speaker 1: do something. And that's where obviously, you know, flag gets

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Speaker 1: the foul, et cetera. But I thought that was another

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Speaker 1: moment where Kelvin won't get a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 1: But they were incredulous about it. They were like, nah,

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Speaker 1: well this should it be foul? And they were kind

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Speaker 1: of asking the question, and I remember thinking, look, a

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Speaker 1: minute doesn't sound like a whole lot when you're down six,

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Speaker 1: But so much can happen, as we saw, so much

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Speaker 1: can happen in that minute if you just get that

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Speaker 1: stop there, go down and put a get a bucket

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Speaker 1: up on a board A two or three, and now

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Speaker 1: all things can go crazy.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly It's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder, I've thought about this, and I wonder,

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Speaker 1: I wish somebody will ask this to Kevin Samson down

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Speaker 1: the road. I wonder if they had talked about a

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Speaker 1: situation like that, how they wanted to play it out,

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Speaker 1: so that was gonna be kind of their formula down

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Speaker 1: to stretch, like no, no, no, let's let's force them

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Speaker 1: to have to go down and make a bucket against

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Speaker 1: us like they.

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Speaker 3: Had they talked through or had been through that situation

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Speaker 3: throughout the year.

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Speaker 1: That helped them because they look totally comfortable in that moment,

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Speaker 1: down six with a minute left, playing defense, kept playing hard.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they kept playing as hard as they possibly could,

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Speaker 2: you know, and back to like football equivalents, and the

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Speaker 2: translation from game to game, this goes back to you're

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Speaker 2: an outside kick territory. But I'm not going to say

496
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Speaker 2: it's easier in basketball, you still depend on the opponent

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Speaker 2: to miss free throws, to mis execute very often when

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Speaker 2: you're in the foul game, obviously you're depending on them

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Speaker 2: to miss free throws.

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Speaker 3: But getting steals.

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Speaker 2: How many times you watch basketball, We've all watched it

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Speaker 2: all March and before that, where you're thinking, well, if

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Speaker 2: they get a steal and this, and you know, but

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Speaker 2: they got steals. Yeah, so it all worked out that way.

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Speaker 2: It's it's funny to watch it that way. And I

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Speaker 2: go back to how come they didn't want the fourth

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Speaker 2: and fifteen or fourth and twenty play? They didn't even

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Speaker 2: want to consider it, right, did you consider it? I

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Speaker 2: think because they just don't want to give the ball

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Speaker 2: to somebody. Here's the ball. It doesn't matter what the

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Speaker 2: down and distance. It would be all right, going to

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Speaker 2: hear it. Yeah, go, I don't think Roger Goodell wants it,

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Speaker 2: but he does want what does he do?

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Speaker 3: Wants a toush push?

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Speaker 1: Gone, he wants to to push the vote got tabled. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's why the vote from the outside kick never

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Speaker 1: even made it to the vote.

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Speaker 2: And he does want divisional winner not necessarily getting a

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Speaker 2: home playoff game. They playoff game, but he wants a

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Speaker 2: best record team or the team with the better record

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Speaker 2: to be able to host like Minnesota would have this

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Speaker 2: past season.

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe the charge the Chargers would have. Right

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, Well, they'll host us this year. It's just

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Speaker 1: a matter of where that happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, before we forget tomorrow, yesday, six

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Speaker 2: o'clock BMW West. So that's Katie Freeway heading west right

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Speaker 2: before Grand Parkway, so outbound feeder BMW West. We will

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Speaker 2: be there live. Yeah, we're giving away a Nico Collins

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Speaker 2: signed helmet. So Nico signed this helmet for so real.

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Speaker 2: It's not a mini helmet, it's a helmet. It's a

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Speaker 2: helmet helmet and Will Anderson Junior official NFL football game ball.

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Speaker 2: Will Anderson Junior signed it and Nico Collins side the helmet.

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Speaker 2: We will give those away on site BMW West tomorrow

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Speaker 2: as we do a live show on Texans Radio Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio six ten, six o'clock Tuesday, ibfw wes Houston.

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Speaker 3: See us there.

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Speaker 1: We have been out at the Woodlands. We were over

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Speaker 1: in the Sharpstown area. Now we're going out to Katie.

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Speaker 1: So get on out those the last few years, So

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Speaker 1: get on out there and join us. The Titans have

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Speaker 1: canceled a private workout. I've got questions with one of the.

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Speaker 3: Most polarizing prospects in this draft.

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Speaker 1: What does it tell us and what does Drew Doherty's

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Speaker 1: mock draft survey tell us about what the Texas might

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Speaker 1: do at twenty five.

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Speaker 3: We'll discuss that next on Texans All Access. What's Happened? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Monday edition of Texans All Access Sean

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Speaker 1: Harris alongside the voice of the Texans Mark Van Muir.

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Speaker 3: Mark.

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Speaker 1: The news out of Nashville is that Colorado quarterback Shadeur

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Speaker 1: Sanders and the Titans agreed to cancel a private workout

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Speaker 1: for Shadeur Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Now, A your gut reaction, B what does it mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know that so they have the number one

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Speaker 2: picks one to the driver's seat. So if they love

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Speaker 2: cam Ward, go ahead and take cam Ward. However, however,

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Speaker 2: I would still want to meet with Shadior Sanders.

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Speaker 3: You know why, Johnny, I think you can. I think

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Speaker 3: they're meeting with him, but they're just not working him out. Well,

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Speaker 3: I want to work him out.

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Speaker 2: I want to spend as much time as possible with

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Speaker 2: him and watch him do whatever I can watch him do, right,

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Speaker 2: I want him to do everything because I need to

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Speaker 2: know about this guy. I need to further evaluate. You

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Speaker 2: might think you know everything there is to know, yep,

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Speaker 2: but do you? Because look how many teams have been

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Speaker 2: wrong about players. Maybe Shador Sanders, is Jaden Daniels or CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud in his rookie year. Maybe he's all of that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's probably not, but he could be. And maybe cam

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Speaker 2: Ward is not as good as you think. And this

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Speaker 2: is not strange territory. We've seen it play out in

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Speaker 2: real life many times, and it's not like cam Ward

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Speaker 2: is this generational prospect.

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Speaker 3: You might turn out to be the greatest quarterback ever.

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Speaker 2: But we all know pre draft how people feel about

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Speaker 2: these players and how things turn out. Very often and

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Speaker 2: very often they're wrong about players. If you could redraft

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Speaker 2: last year right now, there's nobody in their right mind

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Speaker 2: taking Caleb Williams over Jaydeon Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Correct, nobody correct? All right, Bryce Young over CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 2: I know that Bryce is doing better lately than he

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Speaker 2: did previously, but nobody's taking Bryce Young over c J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud. Nobody right?

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Speaker 2: So, and Anthony Richardson, who went fourth overall in the

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Speaker 2: Stroud draft. I mean, there's nobody's taking Anthony Richardson fourth.

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Speaker 2: No chance, probably not in the first round, no chance,

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Speaker 2: zero chance in a redraft. And I can come up

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Speaker 2: with example, and hey, Caleb Williams might not go in

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Speaker 2: for the bow Nicks at this point. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying Caleb Williams is done. I still think Caleb Williams

593
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Speaker 2: can turn out to be a really good player. But hey,

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Speaker 2: this is very interesting to see how guys play in

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Speaker 2: the league versus what you thought they would be like

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Speaker 2: prior to the draft. So my take on the Titans

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Speaker 2: is me, what shador Sanders and work them out, get

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Speaker 2: all the information you could possibly get. It's too important

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Speaker 2: to not take advantage of the opportunity. Thoughts, what if

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Speaker 2: Schanur and Dion said nah? What if they were the

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Speaker 2: ones that said no? And then but we'll let you

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Speaker 2: guys say it was your idea.

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Speaker 3: Or you know, say it was a mutual idea or whatever.

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Speaker 2: See, and I think I'm that great. I want to

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Speaker 2: work out for them. I want to force the narrative.

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Speaker 2: I want to drive up my market and my potential

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Speaker 2: at least the illusion of it by saying, hey, I

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Speaker 2: worked out for the Titans too, because Johnny was just

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Speaker 2: a few months ago, right after the regular season in

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Speaker 2: college football, where all right, we thought is kem Ward

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Speaker 2: not you? But a lot of people said Shador might

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Speaker 2: be the number one quarterback, right cam Ward, he's climbing

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Speaker 2: the charts, right, This is all just perception, right, So

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Speaker 2: what happened, Well they took a closer look. You know,

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Speaker 2: cooler heads prevailed whatever. But if I'm Shadur, I want

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Speaker 2: to push the issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I if I'm them, I would, I

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Speaker 1: would pursue the issue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like the words.

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Speaker 1: We had, all the information we needed came out or

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Speaker 1: was mentioned, and I thought, yeah, okay, I kind of

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Speaker 1: understand that, you know, are you wasting people's time if

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Speaker 1: you know that it's cam Ward or you're telling basically

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Speaker 1: the world that it's cam Ward in Tennessee over Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: And I guess, you know, I guess maybe if you

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Speaker 3: feel like you have all that information.

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Speaker 1: But I just feel like when you sit down in

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Speaker 1: a private setting with a draft prospect, I just feel

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Speaker 1: like there's so much more you can learn. I'd feel

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Speaker 1: like there's so much more you can learn when you

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Speaker 1: basically take the helmet off these guys and you're like, yo,

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Speaker 1: what okay, so much more that you start finding out

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Speaker 1: about these particular players. I mean it, It happens just

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Speaker 1: as I'm doing all my you know, research for these guys,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa like uh take, for instance, gosh,

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Speaker 1: dang it, oh uh Charles Grant, Charles Grant's offense tackle

637
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Speaker 1: prospect from William and Mary. Okay, long athletic Texans. I

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Speaker 1: think have had him here for a thirty visit. If

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen that correctly. He is He's just he's

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Speaker 1: just a dude on the field. He is a complete

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Speaker 1: and total dude. But he played for Bill and Mary.

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Speaker 3: But he played for William and Mary.

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Speaker 1: And that always is is something that that is gonna

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Speaker 1: is gonna be an issue for people maybe in this building,

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Speaker 1: maybe people because maybe fans, because they know that Nick

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Speaker 1: doesn't take guys from uh, from those different schools.

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Speaker 3: But then I'm reading on Charles Grant.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this, so he's all, you know, All American,

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Speaker 1: first of All America and this year second All American,

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Speaker 1: second team All American in twenty twenty three. What's William

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Speaker 1: and Mary donated bone marrow in the spring of twenty

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Speaker 1: three for a twenty nine year old with Hodgkins lymphoma,

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Speaker 1: underwent seven hour non surgical procedure to donate stem cells.

654
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Speaker 1: Grant signed up to help increase the odds of people

655
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: of African American descent to find a donor match. Wow, Like,

656
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: those are the things that I think you start uncovering

657
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: when you start just talking to people, when you start

658
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: interviewing them. That was That's one of many that I've

659
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: kind of uncovered, you know, just kind of along the way.

660
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: But I had read that when I was starting my

661
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: study on Grant back in the summer, and then.

662
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: I read it again kind of a more in a

663
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: longer story about it, and.

664
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: It basically it was kind of a team initiative that

665
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: they had come up with and Grant was one of

666
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: those that he was a match and they ended up

667
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: doing it. So it's like, those are things that I

668
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: think in an interview setting you'd like to be able

669
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: to know, right right, I'd love to be able to

670
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: know that, because to me, that's pretty damn swarmy right

671
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: there when you do something like that, For somebody potentially

672
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: you don't.

673
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: Even know who it is. Yeah, that's special. Yeah.

674
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: So, I mean that's one of the things I think

675
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: in an interview setting that you you can you can

676
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: get now, can you get that information?

677
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: I didn't interview Charles Grant to get that information.

678
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: But if Charles Grant came in here for an interview

679
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: and just sat with the two of us and we

680
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: talked to him about that situation, we could get a

681
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: little bit more in depth information other than well he

682
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: just did this being a donor.

683
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Well, plus you get the sense of him. Right, it's

684
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: a conversation as body language, aslutely.

685
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all that stuff. All right.

686
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: I have the draft order in front of me. You

687
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: tell me who's gonna draft Shador Sanders, Okay, give me,

688
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: give me a not a rating, but your thoughts. Okay,

689
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: to Titan's pick number one. They'll take cam Ward Browns. No, Giants,

690
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't They're not going to. I don't think they're

691
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: going to either.

692
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: I doubt it. Patriots no, Jacksonville No, Oh, wouldn't that

693
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: be funny? Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,

694
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: come on, Jack, come on, Jacks do it? That would

695
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: be fantastic. Uh no to Jacksonville Raiders. Maybe No, I

696
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: know they just signed Geno Smith and that's actually my conference.

697
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Sure, Sanders, I could see the Raiders doing this back

698
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve media days when Diana Shuduur were

699
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: doing interviews. We actually were in a llegial stadium and

700
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: when he was asked about, you know, the NFL and

701
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: moving on Dion because apparently she door didn't watch enough NFL,

702
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: apparently he told me.

703
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: Deal was asking.

704
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Raiders would be a good spot

705
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: because at the time, Antonio Pearce's head coach. They had

706
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell, and I think they looked

707
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: at it as man, just step right in and be

708
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: ready to go. They had DeVonta Adams at the time.

709
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: But I think the Raiders make some sense at six.

710
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna do it, no way. I

711
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: don't think they just two years and they have other

712
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: needs to I don't see it. You want to get

713
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: competitive fast, you don't do it by by drafting. Just

714
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: get to number seven the Jets. In my draft, that's

715
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: where I put him. I put him to the Jets.

716
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: So there's a chance, A chance, Panthers, No, No, Saints,

717
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: yes chance.

718
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Apparently the Saints have been doing a lot of work

719
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: on Sanders a ton. They sent their quarterback coach and

720
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: OC I believe.

721
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: To his pro day. They have done a lot of work.

722
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: And number nine feels okay.

723
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I could sit behind Derek Carr learn a Kellen Moore offense,

724
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: take over it pretty quickly if it yeah, and be

725
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: the case, and the Saints become must watch at that

726
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: point to see what story is going to do.

727
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: So I think the Saints make a lot of sense

728
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: at nine. Jets and Saints possibilities.

729
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: Bears, no Niners.

730
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: But if he gets past, if he gets past, the

731
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: Saints go with the list because now you start butting

732
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: your your head up against ten Bears, no.

733
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Eleven Niners, No, no Cowboys, no Dolphins, no Colts, no

734
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: doubt it, no way.

735
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: But I did see in fact that I can't remember.

736
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I think I saw it on Twitter. Maybe it was

737
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: on a McFee show. That on the board on the

738
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: odds board in Vegas. Now it's a pretty big number,

739
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: it's like twenty five to one. But the Colts take

740
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: schnor Sanders. Now I know Chris Ballard fairly well, Chris

741
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: Baalard is not drafting Shugar Sanders, but ersay might, but

742
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: Ersay might, So if they knew draft them, just know

743
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: that Robert or Robert ors Say, Jim r Say, Jim

744
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Arsay had his hand on it.

745
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: So after the Colts, sixteen's Cardinals, right.

746
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean they almost feel raider like from last year.

747
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: The Colts do fifteen well fifty Falcons, Yeah, sixteen Cardinals, Bengals,

748
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: seventeen No, Seattle, no, eighteen, Tampa Bay, no, Denver, no, Steelers,

749
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: not gonna do it.

750
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: You don't think that's the one? If oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

751
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: you know right now? Heelers three? Aaron Roddy, Yeah, draft

752
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I'm sorry, sign Aaron Rodgers, draft Shadour.

753
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: It's such a luxury, not luxury, but it's such a

754
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: a parked pick, you know, a parked acquisition. We're gonna

755
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: start this guy. This car stays in the garage. But

756
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: you need cars to drive, you need vehicles, You need players.

757
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't have a good metaphor here. Yeah, well you

758
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: need to have you need to have quarterbacks.

759
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Would Aaron Rodgers Shaudre Sanders be better than Russell Wilson

760
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: justin fields, which is what they had last year.

761
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: Yes, well you have Rogers, you have Rogers.

762
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: Wilson won some games for them before thecalf.

763
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: George Pickens, Aaron Rodgers, Shadoor Sanders, led by Mike Mike Tomlin.

764
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: I wonder why he luck coachters go ahead and sign up.

765
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: I guess maybe because he doesn't want to go to

766
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: ot A's or.

767
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: The I've heard. I've heard a rumor that it's going

768
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: to happen this week because there's some sort of uh

769
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: WWE event in Pittsburgh. Oh, so he'll go and McAfee

770
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: is going to be there, and so he'll announce on

771
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: McAfee s soure. That's that's the rumor that's out there.

772
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. I five, I don't know if I

773
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: totally believe it, but I would think if I was

774
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 3: a team.

775
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: When you think about the ones at the top, obviously

776
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: tides are gonna kame war, but Browns, Giants, those two

777
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: in particular, they've got some draft ammunition to get back

778
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: into the back into the first round, or I mean

779
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: they could sit tight at the top of the second

780
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and then just take.

781
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: They'll sit tight, they'll sit tight. If if you're not

782
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: gonna take them early, you're not moving back into the

783
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: first round of sacks.

784
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

785
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: If you went back through that list of teams and

786
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: you said, okay, teams now, instead of considering sdor Sanders,

787
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I want you to consider Jackson Dart.

788
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Dark's gone by twenty anyway. But where's

789
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: he going?

790
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: So wait a minute, we said Jet Saints, Pittsburgh, possibly

791
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 2: the Cult, So let's just go with those four.

792
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he gets through that, it's gonna be

793
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: a big drop. It's a drop.

794
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody moves back into the first round

795
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: to take him. And we passed by the Cowboys. They

796
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: acquired Joe Milton from the Patriots. That's kind of a

797
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: sneaky little deal late last week, relatively late.

798
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: And they didn't give him much for it.

799
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: We talked about this a couple of weeks, swapped, Yeah,

800
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: how Milton could be traded?

801
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was.

802
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: And I there are two things I find interesting about

803
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 2: this Milton in Dallas because hey, if Dak goes down,

804
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Milton boom, I'm gonna be the backup. And maybe I'm

805
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: a hit, you know, because you know Pak yeah, you know,

806
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: I like Joe Milton.

807
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: The other thing is this why the Patriots so keen.

808
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: To get rid of him, because he's got support in

809
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: the locker room, because he's a threat.

810
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: To Drake May.

811
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: We want to give the team to May, and unequivocally

812
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 2: he's the guy because we can't have Joe Milton around

813
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: to be dazzling with it with this athletic plays in

814
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: preseason games and having the fan base clamor for him

815
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: to play if Drake if and when Drake May starts

816
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: to throw picks.

817
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: Okay, before I before I start using my my comparison point, oh,

818
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: you got to answer a couple of questions from Okay,

819
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: what rounded did the Texans draft Drew Henson?

820
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: That was like six or seventh? What did they trade

821
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: him for?

822
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: I think it was seventh, and they traded him for

823
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: a six or something. I think they it was they

824
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: moved up around.

825
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it was like right, yes, but they they Okay,

826
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: they improved their they they improved their stop without Henson

827
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: having ever really no, he didn't do anything.

828
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything. Milton did something. Yeah, he did them.

829
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: He looked good and the Patriots got no more than

830
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: a pick swap and they yeah, and they were not

831
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: young talented dude may could.

832
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: Have played, Yes, could have. So why did they play him?

833
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: That's an Elliott Wolf decision, no doubt, to play Joe Milton.

834
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: So that that's my point that if you've got this

835
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: guy that is young and talented as he is, how

836
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: come you got so little for him?

837
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it goes to your point. They

838
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: I think they were just trying to get rid of him.

839
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: They were just trying to get rid of them. They

840
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: were trying to get rid of for.

841
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, whether he made everybody in the in the

842
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: building uncomfortable or whatever the might that case might be.

843
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: They wanted Joe Milton out in that building.

844
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how the Jets don't make a deal

845
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: for some kind of here here's a fifth Yeah, I

846
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: got Joe Milton.

847
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: Now what the hell? Take a flyer?

848
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: It's quarterback city here, right, he could be good, you know,

849
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: why not take a fly Saints, give him something. He's

850
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: got a rookie contract on a low pick contract.

851
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: It's just hard to imagine the Cowboys made a kind

852
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: of crafty deal for Joe Milton.

853
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: I I don't know.

854
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Patriots were doing with that.

855
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: But let mean, look it's Joe Milton. He's a backup.

856
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: We'll see.

857
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: I think he's going to provide some pretty good depth

858
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: for for Dak Prescott. And look, Dak's hurt, so you know,

859
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: we'll see what. We'll see what Joe Milton's got. Maybe

860
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: we see him in the preseason. When was the last

861
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: time we played to Cowboys in the preseason twenty two?

862
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: I'd love to see them in the presets. I would

863
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: love to see him in the preseason. Yeah, that would

864
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: be kind.

865
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: Of but I doubt Well, let me see they have

866
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: we have the nine games, they've got the two home game,

867
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: they got.

868
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: The two home games, So maybe we go up there. Yeah,

869
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: I'll take that. I'll take that up.

870
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: They'll take that meeting right now, Johnny so oh yeah, absolutely,

871
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: go ahead, Abs freaking Louie.

872
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: Okay.

873
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: Drew Doherty has always has done his uh mock draft roundup.

874
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: Player most often mentioned I think has If what I've

875
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: heard and read about this individual is true, I think

876
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: the player that leads this has no chance of becoming

877
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: a Texan, and that's Josh Simmons from Ohio State. He

878
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: is the most ten times ten mocks have Josh Simmons

879
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: going to the Texans. A player at nine is Kelvin

880
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: Banks Junior, Texas. I think when cooler heads prevail across

881
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: nfl off, I don't know that's the right way of

882
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: saying it. What we see and what you see about

883
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: the draft is from the media. What you don't see

884
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: here what teams are thinking about these particular players. There's

885
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: a glut of teams from like ten on down that

886
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: need offensive line help that at some point they're gonna

887
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: draft Kevin Banks junior. He ain't getting a twenty five, Okay,

888
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's getting a twenty too bad.

889
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: Lombardi Award winner Longhord. It would be great nine times

890
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: draft night. I don't know if it works out ultimately.

891
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: Who knows nine times in Mecca Buca House State. Yes,

892
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good there's a pretty

893
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: good chance of that.

894
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: Hat I would like that. I think the draft party

895
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: would have erupted if you think Grace Abele got seven.

896
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: He was chosen in seven mock drafts and actually was

897
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: studying him yesterday, and the more I watched them more, I'm.

898
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it is Booker there at twenty five? Well,

899
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: that's the question.

900
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: And I think when I see that Booker was only

901
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: on four mocks, the question I have is, Okay, has

902
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: he already gone off the board. What I've seen a

903
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: lot is Booker going after our pick Mark. I'm just

904
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: going to say this, for what we have talked about

905
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: this offensive line room to be if the Texas would

906
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: pass on Tyler Booker, then the Texas have learned something

907
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: about Booker that maybe nobody else knows. Because everything that

908
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: we know about Booker being the character, the on field character,

909
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: the off field character, the football character, the alpha in

910
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: the room a thing. He's everything that they want in

911
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: a player, and he's really freaking good and at a

912
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: position where they have still a significant need.

913
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: What about Zabel What kind of leadership qualities does he

914
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: have that you know about?

915
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: I think he's got mainly what I would say about

916
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: him is he's got in the run game in particular,

917
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: he's got that desire to put dudes in the turf

918
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: like I like that, Like I saw that in Blake too.

919
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I like that in Blake Fisher when I saw it

920
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame that you can get kind of a

921
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: gauge on a guy just by watching that, and I

922
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: think he's got I think Zabel's got that now. Obviously

923
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: he's got to move to guard. But I saw the

924
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Look, it wasn't perfect, but you could just

925
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: see the willingness, the toughness, the strength. I mean, his

926
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: little body is just I mean stout so.

927
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 2: And he's gonna take over the room though, Johnny Booker.

928
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: And he comes in from Alabama, a semi pro team, Yeah,

929
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: pro tem, So he comes in from there. If you

930
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: come in from North Dakota State, you can't take over

931
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: the room day one.

932
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't think day one. I think that's tough. I

933
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: think that's tough. But I know that when Belichick, I'm

934
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: trying to think. I think Nick was already here. When

935
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: Belichick drafted Cole Strange from Chattanooga at the bottom of

936
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the first round, and he, to me, is a lot

937
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: like Gray's Abel. Kind of tough, no flare. He's got

938
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: no pads on his arm, no tape. It's just a

939
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: helmet his pads and that's it, right.

940
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: He just and goes in place. Just kind of a

941
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: street tough dude.

942
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: Belichick drafted him twenty nine, a lot of people thought

943
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: he was gonna go into third, second, third round. That's

944
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: where I thought he was gonna go. But I loved him,

945
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: and I understood now, and I understand now why Belichick

946
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: loved him with the Patriots. So I absolutely could see

947
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: Gray's Abel being that guy for sure. I took Derek

948
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: Harmon from Michigan State, the defensive lineman. I was the

949
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: only one to mock him, and I feel like people

950
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: have missed the boat. I feel like defensive line is

951
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: still in play.

952
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: For this team, yes or no.

953
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: Yes, the defensive line is in play, but the favorites

954
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: wide receiver and interior offensive line.

955
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, interior defensive line, yeah, I would say that's third, third, Yeah,

956
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: But if Derek.

957
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: Harmon is there, I wouldn't be I would not be opposed.

958
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: I would not be opposed. That guy could take over

959
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: a game and a heartbeat. He did against Ohio State

960
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: in regular season. It was dominant, absolutely dominant. Okay, we

961
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: get back a reminder about Mark and I being on

962
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: the road on Tuesday, and more.

963
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: News from the NFL. Next on Texans All Access.

964
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: Tepping everybody one final segment before we turn it over

965
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: to Kevin Cougler and the crew on Westwood One call

966
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: the National Championship game. It's Couga's tonight. And if you

967
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: know why say it that way, well, you know my

968
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: man kJ somewhere wherever you are, kJ, I know you're

969
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: biting your fingernails, but you are ready for tonight's game,

970
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: as I know a lot of Koog's out there are.

971
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: I am so excited to watch this game, so proud

972
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: of my team from Houston. They have done incredible, incredible

973
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: things for the community and for that university.

974
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 3: It's been awesome, awesome to watch. It gets NFL News

975
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: in before we close the show. Trayvon Walker, number one

976
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 3: overall pick of the twenty two and two.

977
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Draft, had his fifth year option exercised by the Jacksonville Jaguars.

978
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: Not too surprise. Did hear some.

979
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Trade rumors that are kind of going around, but nothing substantial.

980
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: So Treyvon Walker fifty year option exercise for the Jacksonville Jaguars,

981
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: though Las Vegas Raiders have seen enough of Jack Jones

982
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: the corner they are releasing him. Just not a great

983
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty four. He's always kind of had

984
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: issues wherever he's been in his career.

985
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 3: And now he is looking for a job.

986
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: This one stood out to me as kind of kind

987
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: of odd in a sense because I like me some

988
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: Brecee Hall Aaron Glenn plans to use three running back approach,

989
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: says bries Hall is in a good place, but we

990
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: got three good backs and we're going to use them

991
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: all man, Breese Hall. If that makes Breese Hall mad,

992
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd listen if you know what I'm

993
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, three running back playing in place. I mean,

994
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: I don't mind three running backs.

995
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

996
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: That's not really my issue. But Bristol is pretty eamn good.

997
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: He could be RB one, he can be RB one,

998
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: two and three, but just give it a two headed monster.

999
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: He and Braylan Allen.

1000
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: That'd be good stuff. But I don't know.

1001
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: See what the Jets do. I love Ag so he

1002
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. We'll see what that turns out

1003
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: to be for the Jets. Big thanks to Mark. Call

1004
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: you for listening. We will see you tomorrow, hopefully celebrating

1005
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: a Cougar championship member. We are out at BMW out

1006
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: in Katie tomorrow.

1007
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 3: Get on out there.

1008
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: Will Anderson football Nico Collins helmet get on out there

1009
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: and enjoy it with us.

1010
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: We'll see it that on everybody, and as always go Texans.