WEBVTT - How the “Devil in the Ozarks” Escaped: Sharpies, Aprons and Trash Cans 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Saturday, August sixteenth, and we are finally learning about

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<v Speaker 2>how the Devil in the Ozarks escaped from prison. This

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<v Speaker 2>all happened late May of this year. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>remember it. We're talking about that former Arkansas police chief

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<v Speaker 2>turned rapist and murderer. His name was Grant Harden, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix devoted an entire series to him, and that series

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<v Speaker 2>was called Devil in the Ozarks.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, was that a buzzy one? I actually can't

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<v Speaker 3>remember when I heard the name. Definitely say yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard of that, But do you remember much buzz around it?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the buzz around it after he escaped and

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<v Speaker 2>then everyone was like, ooh, that's the one. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that they did a Netflix series on. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they devoted an entire series to his crimes. Well, there

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<v Speaker 2>is now a new report that is out. It was

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<v Speaker 2>elicited by the Department of Corrections, but it's revealing some

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<v Speaker 2>of the fascinating details surrounding his brazen prison break. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the prison break? Yeah, he walked right out

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<v Speaker 2>the back gate.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't shoot his way up.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he doesn't know violence walked out.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he wave at the guy who there was a

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<v Speaker 3>tower guard who has since been fired, Yes, who waved.

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<v Speaker 3>All he did was waved at him, and the guy

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<v Speaker 3>opened the gate for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He acted like he knew what he was doing and

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<v Speaker 2>he was believed, and he was disguised as a law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement Asian. But that had a lot of folks head

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<v Speaker 2>scratching because how was he able as a prisoner to

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<v Speaker 2>somehow come up with a uniform that mimicked unofficial And let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Be straight here, this is a guy who had a

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<v Speaker 3>whole hit series dedicated to him, and you all weren't

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<v Speaker 3>keeping a better closer eye on him than this. This

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<v Speaker 3>is what we're talking about, and this is why the

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<v Speaker 3>story made such a big deal at the time. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't just some convicted rapist or convicted murderer that was

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<v Speaker 3>that escaped. Y'all. Let the guy whose nickname is the

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<v Speaker 3>Devil of the Ozar walk out of prison. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a really big embarrassment at the time for those folks.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is he was the most famous prisoner in

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<v Speaker 2>that facility.

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<v Speaker 1>And for sure, oh yeah, yeah, without.

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<v Speaker 2>A doubt, obviously, But the big question is how did

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<v Speaker 2>he do it and what did he do for those

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<v Speaker 2>nearly two weeks while he was on the run. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of folks had those questions. And we are getting

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<v Speaker 2>some answers now.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were starting with first the uniform. There was

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<v Speaker 3>a uniform and a badge. So he was able to

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<v Speaker 3>get out because he was He walked out and showed

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<v Speaker 3>himself with a uniform on and a badge, waved to

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<v Speaker 3>a guy in the tower and the guy opened the

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<v Speaker 3>gate and let him walk out. So a uniform and

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<v Speaker 3>a badge, that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know what, don't forget we mentioned at

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<v Speaker 2>the top, but he was a police chief. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the chief of police of a small town in Arkansas

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<v Speaker 2>a few years earlier, so he knows how to carry

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<v Speaker 2>himself as a law enforcement official, and he knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to carry himself with somebody who's in charge, because you

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<v Speaker 2>would have to have a whole lot of money even

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<v Speaker 2>if you had this makeshift uniform somehow pieced together to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to present yourself with enough confidence that you

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<v Speaker 2>let or make at least a tower guard believe you

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<v Speaker 2>have every right to walk out that.

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<v Speaker 3>Door, or you're a terrible tower guard. Good argue could

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<v Speaker 3>be a little bit of a right. The guy put

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<v Speaker 3>together and we were gonna you're gonna explain here robes

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<v Speaker 3>what he put together, but a makeshift sharpie uniform, and

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<v Speaker 3>it fooled the tower guard. He literally let a convicted

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<v Speaker 3>rapist and murderer walk right out the front door, looked

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<v Speaker 3>at him, robed and let him do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's it's appalling, and it's startling, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>frightening if you live in the area. And certainly for

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<v Speaker 2>those folks who were concerned about him perhaps seeking some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of revenge, were scared for at least those twelve

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<v Speaker 2>plus days that he was out on the lamb. But

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<v Speaker 2>here is what we have learned, and this a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this came from Aunt Harden himself while he was

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<v Speaker 2>being interviewed by investigators trying to figure out how he

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<v Speaker 2>managed to do what he did. So we know now,

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<v Speaker 2>according to Harden, that he spent six months planning his escape.

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<v Speaker 2>So he meticulously, over a period of six months, tried

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to do this. He says he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get any help from employees or other inmates.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you buy that that's a big deal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean why at this point, I mean, he I

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<v Speaker 3>guess the one guy who he's now been fired. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really on this tower.

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<v Speaker 2>Two people have been fired, several others have been suspended,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone else had some other sort.

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<v Speaker 1>Of disciplinary action.

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<v Speaker 2>But multiple people within the prison system, even though they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't explicitly help him, certainly helped him without realizing they

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<v Speaker 2>were helping him.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe him because of some of the more details

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to get into here in a second that

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<v Speaker 3>make it seem like, Yeah, he put this together on

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<v Speaker 3>his own.

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<v Speaker 2>And probably smart enough to know that if you do

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<v Speaker 2>ask somebody to help you, that person is probably either

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<v Speaker 2>gonna tell on you, snitch on you later fuil your

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<v Speaker 2>plan in some way. So, yes, he says he was

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<v Speaker 2>a lone wolf, and that does make a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sense given honestly, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact that he was successful at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So no help from anyone else, but he pointed to specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>he told investigators, Yeah, y'all, security is lax in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was a kitchen worker and he was allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of come and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he pleased according to him?

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<v Speaker 3>Convicted rapist, convicted murderer, Yes, he's working in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he was allowed to go unsupervised out on

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<v Speaker 2>this back in this back area, in this side area,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was able to do some things without anyone

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<v Speaker 2>really watching him or noticing him. So you mentioned the sharpies.

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<v Speaker 2>He claims he found and collected black sharpies, and he

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<v Speaker 2>found laundry that was lying around the kitchen, and he

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<v Speaker 2>used that black aprons, to be specific, to create a

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<v Speaker 2>fake uniform, and then he made a fake badge using

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<v Speaker 2>the lid.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the rash.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't maybe that's where the sharpiees came in, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>wild to think that he pieced together slowly over six

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<v Speaker 2>months black aprons, because if you see the visuals, the

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<v Speaker 2>video surveillance video they have of him, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>has black pants, black shirt, and what looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>black vest, I mean it from a distance looks legit.

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<v Speaker 2>And to know that those were black aprons is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost comical. It seems like something you from some

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<v Speaker 3>caper movie from the nineteen fifties, just something silly almost

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<v Speaker 3>that this shouldn't be possible that someone convicted of these

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<v Speaker 3>crimes can fool the system with these rudimentary tools. That

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't seem possible. This seems like this should be

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<v Speaker 3>highly sophisticated, something from Mission impossible. You would need help

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<v Speaker 3>from the outside. Of help from the outside, you would

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<v Speaker 3>need help that this is all it took. Is this

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<v Speaker 3>is not just some dude so we are, we're six months.

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<v Speaker 3>Give him credit. Knock yourself out, I used to. I've

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<v Speaker 3>said this before plenty. If someone is able to break

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<v Speaker 3>out of prison, I'm almost rooting for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodness, I say that because somebody's.

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<v Speaker 3>Jobs is to keep you there. You got caught, you

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<v Speaker 3>were convicted of your crime. It's somebody's job to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure you don't get out. How am I supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>fault you for being for your desire to be free

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<v Speaker 3>and you beat the system, knock yourself out. I do

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<v Speaker 3>not want somebody that this is this kind of threat

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<v Speaker 3>to the community out and about. Obviously this was scary

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<v Speaker 3>as hell and is the case as well. What is

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<v Speaker 3>this idea, this thing about a misclassification of what kind

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<v Speaker 3>of criminal he was. He should not have even been

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<v Speaker 3>in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Jail, and that is true, and that is also part

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<v Speaker 2>of this finding because this was not a maximum security prison.

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<v Speaker 1>So the type of prisoner that Harden.

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<v Speaker 2>Is was and is and yes, a convicted rapist, a

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<v Speaker 2>convicted murderer and abused his power. You know, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a man who was in a position of power, was

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<v Speaker 2>a police officer, was a actual chief of police for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, so that is deeply concerning. He has the

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<v Speaker 2>smarts and the wherewithal and knows enough about law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>You want him in a maximum security prison. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, we'll get to it. But he has

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<v Speaker 2>since been moved to a maximum security prison. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he was given freedoms that he shouldn't have, period, and

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<v Speaker 2>that has been determined.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was wild.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really start looking at some of the surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>video until I started looking at his account.

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<v Speaker 1>Of how he was able to pull this all off

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<v Speaker 1>without any help.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, when you hear about a disguise, you would

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<v Speaker 2>think someone slipped him something, but no, he actually put

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<v Speaker 2>police in white on the back if you see in

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<v Speaker 2>the surveillance video. But also he is carrying something when

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to leave, he is carrying with him a

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<v Speaker 2>ladder that he made from wooden powerlle in case he

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<v Speaker 2>had to scale the prison fence, in case someone shouted

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<v Speaker 2>at him stopped him from going through that gate. Instead

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<v Speaker 2>of being able to just walk freely out, he thought

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<v Speaker 2>he might have to literally put a ladder up and

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<v Speaker 2>then make a run for it. So he had a

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<v Speaker 2>backup plan to his plan already prepared with him when

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<v Speaker 2>he was walking through. So it's wild to me he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even have to use the thing he was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to have to use to scale a

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<v Speaker 2>fence because that.

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<v Speaker 3>Good old, trustworthy tower guard up there that let him

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<v Speaker 3>go right on through. He didn't even need to use

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<v Speaker 3>the backup land because he got Barney five up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean actually, so when you see that and you

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<v Speaker 2>see the video, it's startling to know that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even have to use the thing he thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to use to break out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, And he also talked about how he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to smuggle food with him. He said he when

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<v Speaker 2>he got out into the woods, he drank creek water.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, he ate berries, bird eggs, he said he

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<v Speaker 2>even ate ants.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had a plan. He was going to hide

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<v Speaker 1>out in these woods for six months.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how he was going to make all

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<v Speaker 2>that food last as long as he needed it to,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he was going to make his way out west.

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<v Speaker 2>That's he had a plan. But unfortunately prison dogs picked

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<v Speaker 2>up his scent. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us, they caught him just a mile and

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<v Speaker 2>a half from prison, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did stay out there for almost two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, why is it they came out and gave

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<v Speaker 3>us all the impression that he wasn't even in the

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<v Speaker 3>area for whatever reason, they suspected that he had gone

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<v Speaker 3>over into Missouri.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it not?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and they it sounded like he was gone, like

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<v Speaker 3>the focus of their efforts didn't even seem to be

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<v Speaker 3>right there anymore. And he was very close by the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he didn't even make it that far at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They Yes, they absolutely were warning folks in nearby states

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<v Speaker 2>that he might be around and letting people who live

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<v Speaker 2>nearby not to worry. But certainly, yeah, he was right

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<v Speaker 2>there the entire time, and by the way, he was able.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how he was saying that apparently I did

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<v Speaker 2>I read this right, that the trash can or they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't shake it, or they didn't make sure there was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing below some of the trash bags, because he actually

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<v Speaker 2>stashed You think six months he's making this uniform, like

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<v Speaker 2>where does he put it? Or this fake uniform he

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<v Speaker 2>can't bring it back to a cell with him. They

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<v Speaker 2>do cell checks all that he actually hid it at

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<v Speaker 2>the or like underneath the trash bags at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the trash can, because he said, no one actually

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<v Speaker 2>ever shook it and put the whole thing out, and

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<v Speaker 2>he knew the practices of the kitchen, and he knew

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody would actually ever overturn the trash can, so

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<v Speaker 2>he could just keep working on his little uniform, on

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<v Speaker 2>his fake disguise for months and months and months while

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<v Speaker 2>keeping it right under that trash can the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of wild, isn't it great.

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<v Speaker 3>We just have a fascination with prison breaks, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think we've had some famous ones over the years, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>but to hear now, this just isn't supposed to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You think we have learned enough in our prison system

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<v Speaker 3>and there's enough sophistication you can and cameras and can't

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<v Speaker 3>get past this technology. And to hear how simple it was,

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<v Speaker 3>and how almost easy, frankly it was. He had to

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<v Speaker 3>make a uniform, he needed a sharpie and just to

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<v Speaker 3>wave at a guy. This was not complicated. He used

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<v Speaker 3>no force, he didn't have to overcome anybody, and walked out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just fascinating anytime you hear about a prison brain.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that he walked out being the violent

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<v Speaker 2>criminal that he was. That's the really scary thing. So

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<v Speaker 2>for those of you who want a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a refresher about how Grant Harden actually became known as

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<v Speaker 2>the Devil in the Ozarks and what happened to those employees,

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<v Speaker 2>and what's happening to him now that he's been caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>We are talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About these new details that are just now making our

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<v Speaker 2>way to us about how Devil in the Ozarks convicted

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<v Speaker 2>murderer and rapist Grand Harden, former Arkansas police chief, how

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to walk right out of prison and

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<v Speaker 2>elude police for nearly two weeks before being recaptured. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually participated in this investigation because there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of questions about how this all happened, how he's able

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<v Speaker 2>to make this disguise and just escape in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the day in plain.

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<v Speaker 1>Sight with a very little effort.

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<v Speaker 2>It's appalling, and certainly a lot of folks had to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for their participation, even if it was unknowingly into

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<v Speaker 2>allowing him to escape.

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<v Speaker 1>But just to go back a little bit about who

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a man who pleaded guilty back in October

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty seventeen to first degree murder. He basically shot

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<v Speaker 2>a fellow city employee in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was fifty nine year old. He was fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine years old.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Jamee Appleton, and he was actually on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone with the current mayor at the time, who

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<v Speaker 2>was his brother in law, when the gunshot went off.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was an unbelievable crime that happened in the

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<v Speaker 2>small town of Gateway. He worked for the water department

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<v Speaker 2>and again just the year prior, Harden was the chief

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<v Speaker 2>of police, So these two knew each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, so this isn't even the devil part, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So you hear this and how heinus' this crime was.

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<v Speaker 3>But the reason rose he ends up getting famous, if

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<v Speaker 3>you will, with this documentary is because while he's in jail,

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<v Speaker 3>they figure out there was something he's connected to. How

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<v Speaker 3>far back was that crime? He was connected to a

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<v Speaker 3>rape that was unsolved how many years before?

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<v Speaker 1>It was thirty years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>So while he was behind bars facing charges of first

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder for the shooting death of James Appleton Police

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<v Speaker 2>his DNA from a nineteen ninety seven rape case of

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<v Speaker 2>an elementary school teacher in Rogers. It was a big

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<v Speaker 2>crime at the time, it was completely unsolved, unknown, but

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<v Speaker 2>this was a violent, horrific rape. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he then gets connected to it and he goes on

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<v Speaker 2>think about it. He's committed these horrific crimes and he's

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<v Speaker 2>chief of police, so he's just operating right there in

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<v Speaker 2>a position of power in a town where he has

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<v Speaker 2>actually terrorized the area for several decades now. So this

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<v Speaker 2>was just an eerie, evil one of those stories where

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<v Speaker 2>you can't believe the person living next to you or

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<v Speaker 2>working with you actually is an evil monster. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the case was with this man. So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when he got then connected to this violent rape. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced to thirty years in prison for the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he was given another fifty years for the rape.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's in prison for the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>A violent criminal again, who is intelligent, who has mimicked

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<v Speaker 2>seeming normal, and has had positions of power within a community.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a scary, dangerous individual. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he was allowed into a not maximum security prison is wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Over a misclassification, as they say, I guess we'll figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what that means. But for whatever reason, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>labeled as the type of criminal he should have been

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<v Speaker 3>labeled as somewhere in the system, and therefore he was

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<v Speaker 3>able to go to a not maximum security prison. That's

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<v Speaker 3>just bizarre, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny that Netflix decided to label him devil

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<v Speaker 2>Devil in the Ozarks. But nah, we don't need the

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<v Speaker 2>devil in maximum security, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of changes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole point of this investigation, the whole reason

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<v Speaker 2>why we're getting some of this information, some of these

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating details, is because yes, that community there in Arkansas

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<v Speaker 2>would like to make some changes so that this never

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<v Speaker 2>happens again. But yes, two prison employees were ultimately fired,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly the one your favorite one on the tower guard,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was an the other one who allowed him

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<v Speaker 2>back on that dock unsupervised multiple times over the six months,

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<v Speaker 2>which allowed him to collect laundry, allowed him to collect

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things he used to make his disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>So because he was allowed unsupervised on a back dock,

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<v Speaker 2>which he should not have been, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Employee was fired.

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<v Speaker 2>The tower guard was fired, and they said they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give a number, but they said several other employees have

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<v Speaker 2>either been suspended or demoted just because of the lacks

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<v Speaker 2>security claims.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, look, I want to always take a beat robes

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<v Speaker 3>to always be fair to folks, and I've been a

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<v Speaker 3>little harsh on that tower guard. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>was going on at the time and how that person

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<v Speaker 3>might have been fool don't want to just pass it

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<v Speaker 3>off to total incompetence and ignorance. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on, but that was a tough position

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<v Speaker 3>that person was getting put in to be literally the person. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>other people contributed, but there was one person who literally

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<v Speaker 3>unlocked the door and let the devil of the Ozarks

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<v Speaker 3>walk out. That was the tower guard, and that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of be easy, and so I don't know, maybe give

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<v Speaker 3>everybody a break.

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<v Speaker 2>There was word and they did they when they were

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<v Speaker 2>doing some of the I guess forensics behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>as to how it happened the way it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>They did say.

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<v Speaker 2>That there were reports of guards being on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>with girlfriends hours and hours and hours, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>preoccupied with personal matters while on the job in a

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<v Speaker 2>professional setting where their job was to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>prisoners didn't escape, but they didn't need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Worry about it because all the prisoners here are just

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<v Speaker 3>medium security prisoners.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, there was some distraction that was noted in

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<v Speaker 2>the report by some of the guards who had other

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<v Speaker 2>priorities while on the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so that was mentioned, I must say.

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<v Speaker 2>But Harden, yes, has been moved to a maximum security prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the interesting thing to me. I know, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>What you do when you're a defendant, but it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of made me chuckle to hear that he

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<v Speaker 2>pleaded not guilty to escape charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't really understand how that is a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But he pleaded not guilty to escape charges when we

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<v Speaker 2>clearly see him walking out of the prison on surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>and he was clearly caught in the woods hiding.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it escape if someone opened the door and lets

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<v Speaker 3>you walk in.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that could be the argument, lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he does have a trial date set for

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<v Speaker 2>those charges. That is going to happen in November, so

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<v Speaker 2>we will of course continue to follow the story. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's just fascinating to hear how it happened because at

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<v Speaker 2>the time it really didn't make any sense, making a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more sense now when you see some of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that happened leading up to that unfortunate day in May.

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<v Speaker 2>But we want to thank you for joining us on

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<v Speaker 2>this Saturday edition of Amy and TJ. I'm Amy Robock

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<v Speaker 2>alongside my partner TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great rest of your day, Everybody,