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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone.

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Speaker 2: It's Saturday, August sixteenth, and we are finally learning about

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Speaker 2: how the Devil in the Ozarks escaped from prison. This

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Speaker 2: all happened late May of this year. I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: remember it. We're talking about that former Arkansas police chief

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Speaker 2: turned rapist and murderer. His name was Grant Harden, and yes,

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Speaker 2: Netflix devoted an entire series to him, and that series

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Speaker 2: was called Devil in the Ozarks.

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Speaker 3: I know, was that a buzzy one? I actually can't

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Speaker 3: remember when I heard the name. Definitely say yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: heard of that, But do you remember much buzz around it?

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Speaker 3: I actually don't.

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Speaker 2: I remember the buzz around it after he escaped and

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Speaker 2: then everyone was like, ooh, that's the one. That's the

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Speaker 2: guy that they did a Netflix series on. So yes,

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Speaker 2: they devoted an entire series to his crimes. Well, there

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Speaker 2: is now a new report that is out. It was

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Speaker 2: elicited by the Department of Corrections, but it's revealing some

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Speaker 2: of the fascinating details surrounding his brazen prison break. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember the prison break? Yeah, he walked right out

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Speaker 2: the back gate.

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Speaker 3: He didn't shoot his way up.

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Speaker 1: No, he doesn't know violence walked out.

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Speaker 3: Then he wave at the guy who there was a

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Speaker 3: tower guard who has since been fired, Yes, who waved.

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Speaker 3: All he did was waved at him, and the guy

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Speaker 3: opened the gate for him.

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Speaker 2: He acted like he knew what he was doing and

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Speaker 2: he was believed, and he was disguised as a law

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Speaker 2: enforcement Asian. But that had a lot of folks head

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Speaker 2: scratching because how was he able as a prisoner to

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Speaker 2: somehow come up with a uniform that mimicked unofficial And let's.

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Speaker 3: Be straight here, this is a guy who had a

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Speaker 3: whole hit series dedicated to him, and you all weren't

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Speaker 3: keeping a better closer eye on him than this. This

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Speaker 3: is what we're talking about, and this is why the

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Speaker 3: story made such a big deal at the time. It

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Speaker 3: wasn't just some convicted rapist or convicted murderer that was

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Speaker 3: that escaped. Y'all. Let the guy whose nickname is the

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Speaker 3: Devil of the Ozar walk out of prison. This is

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Speaker 3: a really big embarrassment at the time for those folks.

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Speaker 2: My guess is he was the most famous prisoner in

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Speaker 2: that facility.

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Speaker 1: And for sure, oh yeah, yeah, without.

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Speaker 2: A doubt, obviously, But the big question is how did

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Speaker 2: he do it and what did he do for those

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Speaker 2: nearly two weeks while he was on the run. A

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Speaker 2: lot of folks had those questions. And we are getting

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Speaker 2: some answers now.

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Speaker 3: And you were starting with first the uniform. There was

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Speaker 3: a uniform and a badge. So he was able to

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Speaker 3: get out because he was He walked out and showed

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Speaker 3: himself with a uniform on and a badge, waved to

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Speaker 3: a guy in the tower and the guy opened the

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Speaker 3: gate and let him walk out. So a uniform and

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Speaker 3: a badge, that's what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what, don't forget we mentioned at

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Speaker 2: the top, but he was a police chief. He was

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Speaker 2: the chief of police of a small town in Arkansas

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Speaker 2: a few years earlier, so he knows how to carry

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Speaker 2: himself as a law enforcement official, and he knows how

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Speaker 2: to carry himself with somebody who's in charge, because you

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Speaker 2: would have to have a whole lot of money even

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Speaker 2: if you had this makeshift uniform somehow pieced together to

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Speaker 2: be able to present yourself with enough confidence that you

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Speaker 2: have every right to walk out that.

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Speaker 3: Door, or you're a terrible tower guard. Good argue could

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Speaker 3: be a little bit of a right. The guy put

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Speaker 3: together and we were gonna you're gonna explain here robes

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Speaker 3: what he put together, but a makeshift sharpie uniform, and

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Speaker 3: it fooled the tower guard. He literally let a convicted

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Speaker 3: rapist and murderer walk right out the front door, looked

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Speaker 3: at him, robed and let him do it.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's it's appalling, and it's startling, and it's

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Speaker 2: frightening if you live in the area. And certainly for

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Speaker 2: those folks who were concerned about him perhaps seeking some

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Speaker 2: sort of revenge, were scared for at least those twelve

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Speaker 2: here is what we have learned, and this a lot

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Speaker 2: of this came from Aunt Harden himself while he was

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Speaker 2: being interviewed by investigators trying to figure out how he

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Speaker 2: managed to do what he did. So we know now,

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Speaker 2: according to Harden, that he spent six months planning his escape.

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Speaker 2: So he meticulously, over a period of six months, tried

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Speaker 3: Do you buy that that's a big deal?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean why at this point, I mean, he I

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Speaker 2: Two people have been fired, several others have been suspended,

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Speaker 2: and someone else had some other sort.

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Speaker 1: Of disciplinary action.

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Speaker 2: But multiple people within the prison system, even though they

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Speaker 2: didn't explicitly help him, certainly helped him without realizing they

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Speaker 3: I believe him because of some of the more details

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Speaker 3: you're going to get into here in a second that

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Speaker 3: make it seem like, Yeah, he put this together on

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Speaker 2: And probably smart enough to know that if you do

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Speaker 2: ask somebody to help you, that person is probably either

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Speaker 2: gonna tell on you, snitch on you later fuil your

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Speaker 2: plan in some way. So, yes, he says he was

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Speaker 2: a lone wolf, and that does make a lot of

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Speaker 2: sense given honestly, the.

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Speaker 1: Fact that he was successful at it.

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Speaker 2: So no help from anyone else, but he pointed to specifically,

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Speaker 2: he told investigators, Yeah, y'all, security is lax in the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: So he was a kitchen worker and he was allowed

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Speaker 1: Was he pleased according to him?

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Speaker 3: Convicted rapist, convicted murderer, Yes, he's working in the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he was allowed to go unsupervised out on

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Speaker 2: this back in this back area, in this side area,

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Speaker 2: so he was able to do some things without anyone

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Speaker 2: really watching him or noticing him. So you mentioned the sharpies.

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Speaker 2: He claims he found and collected black sharpies, and he

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Speaker 2: found laundry that was lying around the kitchen, and he

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Speaker 2: used that black aprons, to be specific, to create a

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Speaker 1: Of the rash.

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Speaker 2: Can't maybe that's where the sharpiees came in, but it's

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Speaker 2: wild to think that he pieced together slowly over six

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Speaker 2: video surveillance video they have of him, I mean, he

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Speaker 2: And to know that those were black aprons is kind

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Speaker 3: It's almost comical. It seems like something you from some

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Speaker 3: that this shouldn't be possible that someone convicted of these

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Speaker 3: just doesn't seem possible. This seems like this should be

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Speaker 3: highly sophisticated, something from Mission impossible. You would need help

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Speaker 3: need help that this is all it took. Is this

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Speaker 3: is not just some dude so we are, we're six months.

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Speaker 3: Give him credit. Knock yourself out, I used to. I've

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Speaker 3: said this before plenty. If someone is able to break

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Speaker 3: out of prison, I'm almost rooting for them.

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Speaker 1: Goodness, I say that because somebody's.

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Speaker 3: Jobs is to keep you there. You got caught, you

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Speaker 3: were convicted of your crime. It's somebody's job to make

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Speaker 3: sure you don't get out. How am I supposed to

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Speaker 3: fault you for being for your desire to be free

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Speaker 3: and you beat the system, knock yourself out. I do

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Speaker 3: not want somebody that this is this kind of threat

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Speaker 3: to the community out and about. Obviously this was scary

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Speaker 3: as hell and is the case as well. What is

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Speaker 3: this idea, this thing about a misclassification of what kind

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Speaker 3: of criminal he was. He should not have even been

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Speaker 2: Jail, and that is true, and that is also part

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Speaker 2: of this finding because this was not a maximum security prison.

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Speaker 1: So the type of prisoner that Harden.

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Speaker 2: Is was and is and yes, a convicted rapist, a

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Speaker 2: convicted murderer and abused his power. You know, this was

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Speaker 2: smarts and the wherewithal and knows enough about law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: You want him in a maximum security prison. So yes,

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Speaker 2: by the way, we'll get to it. But he has

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Speaker 2: since been moved to a maximum security prison. So yes,

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Speaker 2: he was given freedoms that he shouldn't have, period, and

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Speaker 2: that has been determined.

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Speaker 1: But I thought it was wild.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really start looking at some of the surveillance

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Speaker 1: Of how he was able to pull this all off

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, when you hear about a disguise, you would

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Speaker 2: the surveillance video. But also he is carrying something when

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Speaker 2: at him stopped him from going through that gate. Instead

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Speaker 2: backup plan to his plan already prepared with him when

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Speaker 2: didn't even have to use the thing he was thinking

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Speaker 3: Good old, trustworthy tower guard up there that let him

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Speaker 3: go right on through. He didn't even need to use

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean actually, so when you see that and you

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Speaker 2: So yes, And he also talked about how he was

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Speaker 2: able to smuggle food with him. He said he when

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Speaker 2: he got out into the woods, he drank creek water.

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Speaker 2: He said, he ate berries, bird eggs, he said he

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Speaker 2: even ate ants.

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Speaker 1: And he had a plan. He was going to hide

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Speaker 1: out in these woods for six months.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how he was going to make all

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Speaker 2: and then he was going to make his way out west.

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Speaker 2: That's he had a plan. But unfortunately prison dogs picked

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Speaker 2: up his scent. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the

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Speaker 2: rest of us, they caught him just a mile and

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Speaker 1: But he did stay out there for almost two weeks.

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Speaker 3: You know, why is it they came out and gave

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Speaker 3: us all the impression that he wasn't even in the

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Speaker 2: Was it not?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and they it sounded like he was gone, like

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Speaker 1: That's kind of wild, isn't it great.

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Speaker 3: We just have a fascination with prison breaks, and I

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Speaker 3: It's just fascinating anytime you hear about a prison brain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: We are talking.

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Speaker 2: About these new details that are just now making our

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Speaker 1: Sight with a very little effort.

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Speaker 2: It's appalling, and certainly a lot of folks had to

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Speaker 1: But just to go back a little bit about who

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Speaker 2: This is a man who pleaded guilty back in October

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Speaker 1: His name was fifty nine year old. He was fifty

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Speaker 2: His name was Jamee Appleton, and he was actually on

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Speaker 2: So this was an unbelievable crime that happened in the

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Speaker 3: I mean, so this isn't even the devil part, right,

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Speaker 2: So while he was behind bars facing charges of first

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Speaker 2: Then he was given another fifty years for the rape.

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Speaker 3: Over a misclassification, as they say, I guess we'll figure

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Speaker 2: It's so funny that Netflix decided to label him devil

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Speaker 1: But a lot of changes.

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Speaker 2: So the whole point of this investigation, the whole reason

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Speaker 2: The tower guard was fired, and they said they didn't

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, I want to always take a beat robes

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Speaker 2: There was word and they did they when they were

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Speaker 3: Worry about it because all the prisoners here are just

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Speaker 2: What you do when you're a defendant, but it's just

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Speaker 1: Don't really understand how that is a thing.

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Speaker 3: Is it escape if someone opened the door and lets

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Speaker 2: this Saturday edition of Amy and TJ. I'm Amy Robock

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Speaker 2: alongside my partner TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Have a great rest of your day, Everybody,