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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Art Award today.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about this one. This man is an Olympic

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Speaker 1: bronze medalist. He's a five time world champion and a

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Speaker 1: newly crowned twenty twenty six International Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I want to welcome to the show the Magic Man,

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Speaker 1: Antonio Tarboro.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andre. I appreciate that. Man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you man for coming on the show. And

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Speaker 1: I interview Zab right before you, and I told him that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's always interesting for me and exciting for

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Speaker 1: me to sit down with guys at this stage in

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Speaker 1: life and interview guys that I came up watching. You know.

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Speaker 1: The other side of that, the flip side is as

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Speaker 1: it let me know I'm getting older. That's the other side.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Man, I was a baby watching this, dude. Man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: How was the induction weekend? I've done it. How was

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Speaker 1: it having your family out there and finally getting your flowers?

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Speaker 2: It was full circle, bro, man, it was wonderful. You know,

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Speaker 2: everyone involved. They really laid it out for us, and

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Speaker 2: you know that's what it's all. Fans really showed you

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Speaker 2: what it's all. About man, And it was a humbling experience. Man.

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Speaker 2: I just soaked it all in. My son and my

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Speaker 2: grandson was there. That was the icing on the cake.

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Speaker 2: And just to see them out there, my sisters them, man,

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Speaker 2: and you know my mom we lost my mom in December.

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Speaker 2: And my trainer, Jimmy Williams. Those are two closest people

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Speaker 2: to me, man, and I knew they was looking down

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Speaker 2: on me. I felt them the whole weekend.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm sorry for your loss. Man, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's got to be tough. You know, what

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Speaker 1: was it like when you got that phone call from

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: It was great, but they tell you can't tell nobody.

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Speaker 2: I ain't understanding that, so that was why I had

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Speaker 2: to keep that to myself. But when I was able

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Speaker 2: to just let everybody know I had made it, man,

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Speaker 2: everybody felt so good for me. You know, they said

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Speaker 2: it was long overdue, about time, and but when you

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Speaker 2: get that call, you don't think about none of that. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's finally you've been recognized for all the

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Speaker 2: hard work and the sacrifices that you put in. And

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to share that with team Tarboro. Man,

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Speaker 2: the people that was really standing there with me in

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Speaker 2: the trenches, you know, when it wasn't nobody there. You know,

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Speaker 2: they believed in me, and they saw things in me

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Speaker 2: that at times I didn't see in myself. So they

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Speaker 2: kept me up every time, you know, they tried to

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Speaker 2: bring me down.

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Speaker 1: You feel like you finally got your flowers.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and they smelled good, by the way, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Sir man, it's a beautiful thing. It's a lifetime worth

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Speaker 1: of work, man, finally coming to a culmination. Man, it's

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Speaker 1: a powerful, powerful thing. I want to start your story

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Speaker 1: from the beginning. You know, I know obviously you know,

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Speaker 1: getting ready for this. I learned a lot more, but

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Speaker 1: I've heard bits and pieces you got to you got

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Speaker 1: a very remarkable story, and we're gonna unpack this thing today. Man.

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Speaker 1: So you were born in Orlando, but you you moved

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Speaker 1: to Tampa very early in life. You grew up in

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Speaker 1: a single parent home, two pairing home. What was life

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Speaker 1: like early on, Antonio Tarboro?

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Speaker 2: Oh No, it was just my mom. You know, That's

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Speaker 2: why she was so you know, instrumental, you know in

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Speaker 2: raising us man, four kids on her own. But she

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Speaker 2: had she had some things within her broke her heart,

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Speaker 2: her spirit, and she was a real go getter and

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Speaker 2: she just taught us, you know, respect. You know, she

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Speaker 2: didn't play that line. She said if you lie, you

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Speaker 2: was still and she she wouldn't have none of that.

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Speaker 2: You know. It was about principal early on, and me

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Speaker 2: being the only boar bro with three beautiful sisters. That's

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Speaker 2: why I became a fighter. You know. I had to protect,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I was the only one. I had

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Speaker 2: a handful of cousins, but it was just me, so

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Speaker 2: it was it was kind of hard, but at the

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Speaker 2: same time it built me to be the fighter and

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Speaker 2: the man. I was being a protector and the man

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Speaker 2: of my family at an early age.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to jump in this deep this early on,

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Speaker 1: but you know, it's kind of right there. Soma Tama

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Speaker 1: tecta shot. You know, did you you ever met your father?

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Speaker 1: You ever had interactions with him?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah yeah. Later on, you know,

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Speaker 2: we knew who my father was, but it was like

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Speaker 2: the way things were set up. You know, it's really

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Speaker 2: nobody to blame, but you know, we would be going

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Speaker 2: to my grandmother and grandfather house to drop my older

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Speaker 2: knowing they probably knew, you know, grown folks probably knew.

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Speaker 2: What we didn't know is that those were my people

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Speaker 2: all the while, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I knew my father, Joseph Young, that's his name. I

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Speaker 2: got my mother's maiden name. That's why I'm a Tarboro.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, my father, Joseph Young, I got a host

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Speaker 2: of uncles and aunties and Orlando, and come to find

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Speaker 2: out he was he had out of the four kiss

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Speaker 2: he was three of our biological fathers saly, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I just wished I could have experienced having that

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Speaker 2: knew them, But we wasn't interacting like that. My older

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Speaker 2: sister was getting all that love. And it wasn't until

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Speaker 2: later that we did the DNA situation and we knew

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Speaker 2: and found out that we were all family. But a

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Speaker 2: lot of years had gone by and it was a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that we couldn't change. But now I

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Speaker 2: talk to my uncle's unteacher, and we always been family,

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Speaker 2: you know, they always loved us.

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Speaker 1: What you think it is about that that that like

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Speaker 1: that time frame, that generation because like you look at

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Speaker 1: Tara Loans, Tarryl Loran's same story, Like he walked past

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Speaker 1: a trailer or a house every day and his daddy

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Speaker 1: lived right there is daddy's He interacted with him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. He's seeing them, but he didn't know that

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Speaker 1: generation where they'd have these things going on? Was like,

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Speaker 1: that's been your boy the whole time? Like what is that?

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Speaker 2: I can't speak for it, but I can just say,

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Speaker 2: you know, grown folks business sometimes. You know, back then, bro,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't want to be embarrassed or ashamed.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to live with with something like that,

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Speaker 2: And sometime they want to hide those mistakes. They don't

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Speaker 2: want to ever face them, but they don't know that

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Speaker 2: they're doing the harm to the to the child. Where

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Speaker 2: we didn't ask to be here. We never asked to

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Speaker 2: be here. And those are grown folks decision that I

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Speaker 2: think they that they could understand how detrimental it was.

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Speaker 2: I think they probably would have did things different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you started boxing at nine years old, when

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Speaker 1: this sport? Who got you in the sport?

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Speaker 2: It was the Boys and Girls Club. Man, My mom

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Speaker 2: she brought. She brought me up in the Boys and

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Speaker 2: Girls Club. Being a single parent, you know a lot

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Speaker 2: of times she had to work after we got home

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Speaker 2: safe hating for us. But when you go there, you

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Speaker 2: got people from all over Orlando being busted in. So

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Speaker 2: you got your homeboys, but at the same time you

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Speaker 2: meeting other people. I was just getting into fights all

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Speaker 2: the time, couldn't could not stay out a way of trouble.

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Speaker 2: And one of the directors, Lester Sears, it was his

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Speaker 2: decision to put me in the ring. He said, you

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Speaker 2: get in one more fight, but I'm gonna put your

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put your on these gloves. And what he

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Speaker 2: thought was a punishment for me actually end up being

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Speaker 2: the best thing ever happened to me.

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Speaker 1: That was your calling, that was my call, and.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it then. I didn't even know you

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Speaker 2: can hit in the stomach at the time. When I

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Speaker 2: got in there, Bro, I'm all up here. Joker hit

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Speaker 2: me to the stomach. Ray almost died. Bro, your whole time,

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Speaker 2: And when I didn't quit right then, I kept coming back.

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Speaker 2: I knew I had fell in love with it.

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Speaker 1: And you boxed up until you were fourteen fourteen. But

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Speaker 1: you know, being in Florida, man, you know, sports is

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Speaker 1: a big thing, basketball, track, football, you start getting into

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Speaker 1: other sports, you know. And you stayed away for five

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Speaker 1: and a half years. So what made you shift? And

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Speaker 1: I think from what I read that the goal was

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, my mom moved from the inner city because

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Speaker 2: it was just being ravish, bro with crime and everything else.

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Speaker 2: And I think that was a really last call to

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Because I think if we would

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Speaker 2: have stayed in that community, we would have got swallowed up,

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Speaker 2: just like everybody else. And when I look back, bro,

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Speaker 2: that's that's what saved me. Was just the fact that

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Speaker 2: to a culture. Shock.

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Speaker 1: Andre still in Tampa or.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't do to Tampa until ninety six after

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Speaker 1: I got you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm in Orlando right now. And because I'm from

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Speaker 2: it's just a miracle that I sit here today, you know,

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Speaker 2: People don't make it that far from Ivy Lane, Bro.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just proud, man. I'm proud of my city.

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of where I was born and raised because

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Speaker 2: those lessons really prepped me for life, you know. And

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Speaker 2: when I went to this all white area, all white school,

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Speaker 2: it was a culture shock, bro, And I didn't know

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Speaker 2: how I was gonna survive that. But it was the

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Speaker 2: pride in me, bro, And it was a it's still

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Speaker 2: always competition, but when I was singled out I'm the

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Speaker 2: only black in the class, it kind of I stood

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Speaker 2: out like a sore thumb. So that the things that

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Speaker 2: I was accustomed to doing and used to doing in classroom,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't fitting right now, you feel me. I ain't

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Speaker 2: have no homies to laugh with me. I ain't have

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Speaker 2: no friend that was with the bulls. You feel me?

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Speaker 2: It was like, now what I'm gonna do? You feel me?

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Speaker 2: So I ended up competing in ways in the classroom.

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Speaker 2: I started competing in other ways with you know, just

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Speaker 2: communicating and things like that. So yeah, it's people, places

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Speaker 2: and things, Bro. I changed my environment and I changed

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Speaker 2: with environment. So I needed that report from five years

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Speaker 2: that I really had a chance to see things differently

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Speaker 2: than what I was raised in the inner city with

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Speaker 2: you feel me in my neighborhood, Bro, anything that didn't

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Speaker 2: look like me was ops And you know how that

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Speaker 2: is when you raised like that, and that's how my

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Speaker 2: that was it, bro, and that was the light I needed.

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Speaker 2: But I never thought I would find my way back

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Speaker 2: in those gloves, and it wasn't until nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: I just had my son. Bro. I'm lost right now,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm I don't even I'm depressed and everything else. Bro,

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Speaker 2: I'm going through a personal challenge that I didn't think

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Speaker 2: I could. I could win that fight. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: When they said Atlanta, Georgia, bro I said, eh, four

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, and then dudes that became household names, even

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Speaker 2: That's it, bro. You was there, felt that energy, but

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Speaker 2: So that's how it always begins. It starts from something

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Speaker 2: as that, but I felt like I beat the guy handedly.

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00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 2: And then when you look at our professional careers, I

434
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: had a gold medal career Vasily Giroff it was a

435
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: good fighter. He didn't have no gold medal career though.

436
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: You know, I had just beat the guy four months earlier.

437
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: But again I predicted I was gonna win the goal.

438
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: Come on, bro, they ain't gonna let you be right

439
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 2: all the time. You know what I mean. They ain't

440
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: gonna let you be right all the time. But I

441
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: don't have no I was older, so it was time

442
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: for me to move on anyway. But it has been

443
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: great capturing the gold in Atlanta. But I think when

444
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: you look at those four years that I sacrificed, and

445
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: then you look at Montel Griffin was the representative of

446
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: that Olympic team in ninety two. I had a chance

447
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: to fight him in the pros and I beat him.

448
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I would have beat him then,

449
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: who knows, But if I would have been on that

450
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: Olympic team in ninety two. It would have been fitting.

451
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: You know. Who knows. If I would have never got

452
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: out of boxing, maybe I would have going. Maybe I

453
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: could have made the eighty eight Olympic team. Me and

454
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: Roy could have been in different weight classes. Who knows.

455
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, those five years to build myself,

456
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: I needed that. In that one year two years that

457
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: I was in Hell, I needed that too. So it's

458
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: the good with the bad, Bro. You gotta accept it all,

459
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: and it all got to make you a better person

460
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.

461
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: So you get that bronze medal. Who's starting to talk

462
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: to you as you're trying to make your decision to

463
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: go pro. Absolutely nobody, no promoters, no managers.

464
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: That's why that's the greatest story never told. Bro. Really,

465
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: that's why it's the greatest story never told. I didn't

466
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: have one manager, one promoter that thought I was worth

467
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: investing in because of my age. They didn't think I

468
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: had enough years to work. But when you got to

469
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: catch up with the competition and past the competition, you

470
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: can give him a head start, you can let him

471
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: go four years in advance, but when it's when you

472
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: him ain't nothing they can do to stop you, Bro,

473
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: And I think I proved at the end of the day.

474
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: I was that guy. I was that guy. It ain't

475
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: like I beat Come on, bro, Roy Jones wasn't no

476
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: ordinary fighter, y'all can't try to, you know, put this

477
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: guy with the rest of you champions. You know, Bro,

478
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: he was way better than that. When I tell people,

479
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: I had to be better than Great to beat that guy,

480
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 2: I had to be better than great because great wasn't

481
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: good enough. I was great the first time. Great wasn't

482
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: good enough, Dre. I had to go past that to

483
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: beat ROYD. Jones Jr. And I'm putting it on record

484
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: right now. If it wasn't me, it wouldn't have been done.

485
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: You could stamp that. If I wouldn't have beat him,

486
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been done because I knew all the while

487
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 2: I was the only man that can do it, and

488
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: I stood on it. I told him that in ninety five. Yeah,

489
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: no calls, Bro, no calls, not one, Drake, not one.

490
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: My first promoter was Russell Pelts from Philadelphia.

491
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: So that's why you was fighting at the Blue Horizon.

492
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: I remember seeing you. Yeah, those Tuesday night fighters just

493
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: something that, but I see it all the time. You

494
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: was fighting the blue horizon, blue horizon. But I mean,

495
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: I understand, right, I understand the age thing. Right, that's

496
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: a concern. If it's like, man, we're gonna put four

497
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: years behind this dude, four to five years, give him

498
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: a bonus, all the stuff, and this dude can age out.

499
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: But if you can fight, you can fight. So you

500
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: were older than than they're used to seeing. But you

501
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: get on a fast track. It's like, well, he gotta

502
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: make his move in a couple of years as opposed

503
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: to getting four five to do it. So that's interesting

504
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: to me. Man. It wasn't nobody reaching out nobody.

505
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: I think it helped me, Bro, because if I would

506
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: have got in it favors Bro, I don't think I

507
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: would have approached it like that. I don't think I

508
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: would have been as hungry. So I ain't taking nothing back,

509
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: you feel me. It happened just the way it was

510
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: supposed to because everything fueled me, Bro, Everything fuelled me.

511
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: I turned everything in the fuel everything, every negative comment,

512
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: every time they said I couldn't, I turned it into feud.

513
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: Was the plan with Pelts.

514
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 2: Russell Pelts, I signed a one year deal with Russell.

515
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: He had a money first writer refusal. He had a

516
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 2: first writer refusal, and he refuse to re up. So

517
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: I went with my man from JOEA Guardia, joa Guardias

518
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: your all time promoter. Bro. They not big promoters, but

519
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: when you got him, it don't matter who you with,

520
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: You're gonna come through. It didn't matter who was promoting me.

521
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna get there regardless. Bro. I went through here,

522
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna tell you the best ain't ever happened

523
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: to me was Don king Bro throughout all this process

524
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: because I never had a contract with Don, but every

525
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: time he had a show, he put me on. Bro,

526
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: he put me on, and I'm forever grateful for that.

527
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: He didn't have to do that talk to me about

528
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: no promoters, Bro, you know, and that's why I don't understand.

529
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: Why did he do that for me? He ain't had

530
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: no contract with me. He wasn't getting no money on

531
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: the back end or nothing. So you know, it's weird

532
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: how you know they I don't know, Bro, how they

533
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: can put people in this light. But I didn't never

534
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: see that person. I don't know that done cobou Don

535
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know that Don King, Bro, he

536
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: ain't had no reason to be nice to me, but

537
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: he was. Bro. I fought on Don King called a

538
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: lot of times. And if it wasn't for that, with

539
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: that small time manager Bobby Mitchell, I probably wouldn't have

540
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: never made it. Probably wouldn't have never made it.

541
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: So it was the plan, at least in your mind

542
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: to be on the fast track because of the age,

543
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: or were you gonna give yourself as much time as

544
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: you needed to get championship ready.

545
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: I never thought about the time, you wasn't. I wasn't

546
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: really focused on the time. I just really focused on

547
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: moving up, just kept moving up. Bro. I ain't turned down,

548
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: not one fight really never. Mother came to me talking

549
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: about a fight. What's his name?

550
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: And how much? All I want to know?

551
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: How much?

552
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: How much I'm getting paid?

553
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: That's it? And what is fight gonna take me after this?

554
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: You know, I was one of them throwback fighters, Bro.

555
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: I felt like throwback, you know, didn't turn down no smoke.

556
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: Anybody say they wanted it, got it. Rematchers gave it

557
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: to him three times. I ain't have no I just

558
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: wanted to fight.

559
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: In your seventeenth fight, you had your first real test, right,

560
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: and Eric Harden when you said.

561
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: I was your first first real test, that was a

562
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: lot of lessons learned in that fight.

563
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: You had talked to me about that. You came up

564
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: short in that fight. You took your first loss. Talk

565
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: to me about that.

566
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: That was heartbreaking, Bro, It was heartbreaking, but it was

567
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: I had to look in that mirror. I had to

568
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: look in that mirror and just really say, you know

569
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: at that time, I wasn't ready at that time, but

570
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: it was a lot of distractions going on too. I

571
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: was already the mandatory and at the last minute I

572
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna be fighting roy Jones, and then

573
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: they scripped me up my mandatory and forced me to

574
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: fight Eric Harden to force second time. But the first time, yeah,

575
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Royd should have fought me then at seventeen fights, Yeah,

576
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: he should have fought me. Then he should have fought

577
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: me then, bro, because I was already the mandatory for him.

578
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: For him, I was already the mandatory, the mandatory. Yeah,

579
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: they took my mandatory after I lost the Harding, I

580
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: got that mandatory back.

581
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

582
00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: They offered me the second fight with Aeron Harden. That

583
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: fight right there what made me now listen. Now I

584
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: got that mandatory back. They already put me in the

585
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: in the box with the first fight he beat me.

586
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: So when I got that mandatory back, I'm like, I

587
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: can wait my turn and just wait on Roy, or

588
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: I can get this. I can fight Eric again. And

589
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: the one thing that made me go ahead and accept

590
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: that fight two hundred and fifty thousand for the fight,

591
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: for the fight. Never seen that kind of money in

592
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: my life. And if I couldn't beat Eric harden Man,

593
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: I ain't got no business keep screaming Roy Jones name. Bro,

594
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: you feel me. I'm like really looking at myself, like, Bro,

595
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: what you gonna do? Now? You got the you gotta

596
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: get this, this l off your record.

597
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Gotta that, bro.

598
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: And when I did that.

599
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: Now he was he was up on the cars and

600
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: I was losing the first three round. He was up

601
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: on the cars until you dropped him in the fourth

602
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: and then twice in the fifth and turned the.

603
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: Time, turn the tires. His trainer made a mistake. Trainer

604
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: made a mistake and sent him at me. His trainer said,

605
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: don't back up Eric, he's ready to go, get him

606
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: out of there. So Eric got a little over zealous

607
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: in that fight. He got overconfident and I made him pay.

608
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: I set a trap for him. He thought I was hurt.

609
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: I backed him right up into a straight left and

610
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: that was it. I heard him bad. The referee, I like,

611
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: he didn't want to stop the fight. I had to

612
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: beg the reugh to stop the fight, and he finally

613
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: stopped the fight, and Man, I was glad it was over.

614
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: Harding was one of those guys. He was a South

615
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: Paul looking at me, just splitting in it, but he

616
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: had skills. He go good to the body. Uh. That

617
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: was the last guy I watched. I watched on tape, Bro,

618
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: focus on you, focus on the being the.

619
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: Best last guy you ever watched.

620
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: When I saw on tape, I didn't think this guy

621
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: could even compete with me. And you only had six

622
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: knockouts and eighteen wins, and they told me he couldn't

623
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: punch man and man broke my jaw in two places. Bro,

624
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: you heard me with the left hand. Man broke my

625
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: jaw with a hook broke and I had to fight

626
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: four rounds with a broken broken jaw. Dre. I looked back, Bro,

627
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: and at that time, that's the first time I contemplated

628
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: quitting broke.

629
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Really.

630
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: I thought about that a big second because I was

631
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: in so much pain. I ain't think you.

632
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Get that jaw wire shut.

633
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: Oh it was wire shotaw. I felt it then moving

634
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: around everything I did, Bro, it affected me. And the

635
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: last one I went down, I took a knee. It

636
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: was because his glove hit my My glove hit my jaw.

637
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: My glove hit my jaw as I was blocking and

638
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: I went down. Bro. The pain was so excruciating. But

639
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: when I didn't quit in that fight, Bro, that showed

640
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: me right then I had everything it took. And when

641
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: I took that fight in the rematch and I beat

642
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Eric Harden, I stopped him. I knocked them out something

643
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: Roy Jones didn't do. I was ready. I had came.

644
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: I developed everything I needed to develop that thick skin,

645
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 2: that determination. I developed everything that night and from that

646
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: night when nobody beating me, Bro, from that night, I

647
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: knew I was the best fight in the world in

648
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: my weight class. I ain't worried about nobody else's weight

649
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: class and my weight class. And if you go back

650
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: and look at the top ten in my weight class,

651
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: I eliminated everybody until it wasn't but one person left

652
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: So how could I sneak up on somebody, Drake, How

653
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: can I sneak up on somebody? I got a bronze

654
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: medal and I'm kicking ass throughout the division? How they

655
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: didn't see me coming? So that's what I questioned.

656
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got So we're gonna get into this

657
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: Roy stuff. Man, were gonna get into this Roy stuff.

658
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: So you beat Montel griffinax and then you get the

659
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Roy fight. But before the Roy fight happened, how long

660
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: were you on the campaign to fight him where you

661
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: started like being vocal about it, and you know what

662
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, how long? How many years?

663
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: It had to be about two three years? Bro about

664
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: two three years because, like I said, when I first

665
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: fought Eric Hardy, it was it was because he didn't

666
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: want to face his mandatory. I was his mandatory. I

667
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: was only seventeen and oh and I told everybody, if

668
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 2: Roy would have fought me, then I don't know if

669
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: I do as well. I said that just being honest,

670
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: because I'm an honest guy. I ain't gonna blow no smoke.

671
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: I probably would have did good, but not good enough

672
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: to cause the controversy that to fight. The first fight

673
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: did and that controversy is what got him back in

674
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: the ring because Roy Jones never heard nobody boo him before. Yeah,

675
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: ROYD Jones never heard the whole crowd booing before. Like,

676
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: come on, bro, So he's a guy with pride. Now

677
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: it's a guy with pride, and y'all got could have

678
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: he could have left and ran out on him, ran

679
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: off into the sunset after that first fight. Yeah, but really,

680
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: what would y'all thought of him? For real? For real?

681
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: Knowing that he ducked his toughest competition. That ain't what

682
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: we get praise for that, ain't They didn't. They didn't

683
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: do that with Sugar Ray when he lost. They didn't

684
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: do that with Ali when he lost. They didn't do

685
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: that with Tyson. They didn't do that with nobody, but

686
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: with Roy.

687
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say this. So my dad had just

688
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: died two thousand and two thousand and two. I think

689
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: right before the Clinton Woods fight, I'm going through it,

690
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Row invited me out because you know, we got the

691
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: J Prince connection and he beat He beat Clinton Woods,

692
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: And I remember being three four rows behind you. You

693
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: was in the postfight press conference like this with your manager.

694
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: I know your manager was that time but you were,

695
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: you were letting him listen to it on speaker. I'm like,

696
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: this dude really trying to fight Roy bro Like I

697
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: knew who he was and I knew, you know, the

698
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: history and stuff like that. And then fast forward to

699
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: the John Ruiz fight a year later or eight months not,

700
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: but whatever it was. You go from just sitting in

701
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: the post fight press conference. So now you interrupt the

702
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: post fight press conference. So this man just became the

703
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: heavyweight champion of the world. And I'm paraphrasing, you can

704
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: fill in the blanks if you interrupt said you know,

705
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: that's what I want to ask you a question. You

706
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: just go You're gonna continue to dug me. And I

707
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: remember sitting here and I remember watching this stuff, and

708
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, Roy, don't do it. Don't

709
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: do it, don't take de bait. You the heavyweight champion

710
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: of the world. You will still light heavyweight at that time, right,

711
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't even.

712
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: Think you're the best fight in Florida. And I'm how

713
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: to prove that? How much you would have to go

714
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: through who I have to beat? The don't have to

715
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: me and get my opportunity at history. All right, where's

716
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 4: the contract. Roy, I'm ready.

717
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I ain't gonna say enough. But his ass is

718
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: mine before all the time. But I was like one

719
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: more president he's asked mine. Think I'm letting him over.

720
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: I just don't really want to talk about it because

721
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: we got bigger things that we're here to celebrate. We

722
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: ain't here to augur. I ain't hit him negotiating.

723
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm here to Roy stopped the press conference. He saidld on,

724
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna whoop you. I'm gonna whoop you.

725
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 1: And I remember, like I remember just thinking like, no,

726
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: don't do that. Like that's one of the ones, man,

727
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: where and this don't help your cause? But if I'm

728
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Roy Jones and I just became a heavyweight champion in

729
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: the world, I can't acknowledge you like that. Hey bro,

730
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: that's one of the ones you sit there and you say, look, bro,

731
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: lit I understand what he's doing. Hey man, I just

732
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: became the heavyweight champion of the world. Man, you gotta

733
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: come up and get your weight up. Man, I'm a

734
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: heavyweight now. Ain't nobody ducking you. You know I just

735
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: fought the heavyweight champion of the world. I ain't scared

736
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: of you, man, next question, right, but you kept pressing

737
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: for that thing and then that it actually happened. But

738
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: I remember being in that press. I seen the one

739
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: in Portland Clinton Woods, but then I seen it when

740
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you interrupted him, I just knew that was back. I

741
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: was just like, don't do it. I'm thinking this as

742
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: a key. I think I was like at seventeen eighteen

743
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I'm like it when you

744
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: say that, don't do it.

745
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: I could agree with that if you would have saw

746
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: the first fight first, I can agree with what you

747
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: saying that that was before before the first fight. Yeah,

748
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: what makes you think? Why would you say and the

749
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: things you were saying? Roy Jones? This Roy Jones, he can't. No,

750
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: you ain't seen nobody I'm close.

751
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: To because because I can't fight everybody, but you ain't.

752
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: You ain't seen nobody come close to beating him? Right,

753
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: he ain't lost the round. Ain't nobody being competitive with him?

754
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: What makes you think I'm the guy? Tell me that, Drake?

755
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: What you mean you saw something that Roy didn't see? Obviously?

756
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: What You're dangerous and I wasn't even that was before

757
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: the first fight, though, this is dangerous before.

758
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: Well, number one, you got history, You got history number two?

759
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: You really want this fight? What do you see? What

760
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: do you know that the world don't know? That's number two?

761
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Number three? You big for the way I know he

762
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: went up to he you what I'm saying for light, heavy,

763
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: you tall, rangye you at the left hand, right hood,

764
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: all the stuff like, we just don't play with that

765
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: unless we have to. If I can't get through this,

766
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: this this door without going through you, I'm a fighter.

767
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: What's happening. Let's get it on. But if it's another

768
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: way to get to where I'm trying to go, man,

769
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm nah, nah, I just became the heavyweight. It ain't

770
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: no bigger crown. There's no bigger crown. And I respected

771
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: the hustle. I respected the confidence because you was following

772
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: him around these fight. So after that John Ruiz post

773
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: fight press conference, he said what he said, what are

774
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: you thinking? And then when did the phone ring for

775
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: a potential fight to actually happen?

776
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: Man, I felt like I had to make a statement

777
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: then because I had been patient. I knew, you know,

778
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: that was just he was just running out of a

779
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: bag and cool. But I knew I was his biggest threat. Bro.

780
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: I knew I was gonna give him the fight of

781
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: his life thirteen years old. We had already did it.

782
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: But he way better now and I'm way better now too.

783
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: But some things are meant to be dra, some things

784
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: are just meant to be Bro, And I feel like this, man,

785
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: I was born for this and it was my time.

786
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: I felt like Roy was as great as everybody thought

787
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: he was, but he'd never been in there with someone

788
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: that can process see this thing as clear as me

789
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: had the trainers I had, come on, Bro, had the

790
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: experience I had. You know I was an Orthodox fighter once.

791
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

792
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I taught myself south Pak when I came back

793
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: to the amateur at eighteen nineteen. See, Roy ain't never

794
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: seen me south Pauk. He fought me when I was Orthodox,

795
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: when they first I first learned how to box Orthodox. See,

796
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: that's what I was gonna get a heavyweight division that

797
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: they hadn't seen. I was gonna fight heavyweights Orthodox, gonna

798
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: beat them. Bro, you see what Alexander Usak doing right now?

799
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: Come on, Bro, I was before my time. Imagine that

800
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 2: we had social media in that press conference. Bro, imagine,

801
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: come on, man, I'm past I was before my time.

802
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: About two years.

803
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, you and his shoes, and

804
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: you gotta light heavyweight that you got history. We're trying

805
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: to fight you. You're gonna You're gonna come down off

806
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: your throne as a heavyweight champ and give him a shot,

807
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: somebody that's hungry, somebody that's desperate like that.

808
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: If this man is proven to me that he's the

809
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: next best up, I'm gonna give him a shot because

810
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 2: I'll be a dunk if I didn't.

811
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: But how's he a duck when he had Mike Tyson

812
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: was talked about, holy Field was talked about.

813
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: But they fought their best competition. They fought, but they

814
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: fought the money they.

815
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: And we can't. We can't go up to heavyweight and

816
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: come down.

817
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: I can go up to heavyweight. I went up to heavyweight.

818
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: I know you did, but I'm saying, and from Roy's perspective,

819
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: you can't put on twenty five pounds.

820
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: I must. We didn't have nobody else to fight, Bro.

821
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: It was a rap Mike Tyson, It was a holy Field.

822
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: Tyson was out the game, in the game, but halfway

823
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: that wasn't I'm just telling you. I was his biggest challenge,

824
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: his biggest threat, his biggest fight.

825
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: You had thought you if you was in his position

826
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: of what you were saying, that money.

827
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: Because I'm about that, Dre, I would have had you.

828
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Would have lost the muscle tip.

829
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out why you ain't want no smoke.

830
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that.

831
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure question. Get to idalyzed guy on.

832
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: Nobody gonna knock my idol and I ain't gonna get it.

833
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: We go, We're gonna get my eye.

834
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: Then get to get the.

835
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Smoke with Let me get to it now you want

836
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: to smoke with me?

837
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Man, that's right, we're going, Dre. You already know that

838
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: it's right than me. I don't think we ever if

839
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: it's right, hold ever called my name about no fight?

840
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: Hold On?

841
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Did you?

842
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, did you? Was ever realistic from your end?

843
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: Because not really?

844
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: You was a little bit. I had moved on the

845
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: cruise age.

846
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: Like you was a little bit before me and I

847
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: was coming up.

848
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you was really young.

849
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I never had a real opportunity.

850
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: Your name never came and you became the guy at

851
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: like heavyweight. I was gone, Yeah, something it was a

852
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: little too a little too soon. But yeah, Bro, that's.

853
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I think I think you did. I think you I

854
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: think you DIDNET thought about it, though, I ain't never

855
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: think about it, because I think I seen a comment

856
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: or something. It was a post or something saying something,

857
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: and you said something. It wasn't nothing like.

858
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: Super you taught us about you, No, I know, because

859
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: it was me.

860
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: It was about me, I said, but it wasn't nothing disrespectful.

861
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: But you said something like, yeah, look my way, something

862
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: something that was subtle behind myself.

863
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I said. If if somebody knocked

864
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: my idol out, I'm gonna get I would have to

865
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: go get him. And I just didn't understand. But I

866
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: know Prince J. Prince probably won't go sign off on that.

867
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: But it never it never was a thing though, even

868
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: when you when you fought Ry the third time I

869
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: was on that undercart I was a baby.

870
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: Your first fight was on my undercoarta.

871
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nah, I'm listening, man, Listen. You can't fight everybody.

872
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: Can't fight everybody, Dre. But when you work as hard

873
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: as I did, Bro, you you gotta get that man

874
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: a shot. And I think roy knew, Royd knew that.

875
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: You know what I mean he saw hard, hot work

876
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: to get up there. Bro, I took chances, Drake. Ain't

877
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: nobody taking these chances.

878
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I took if I'm royd Oh, but his career.

879
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: With that, no, they they they wouldn't have ended, right, Bro,

880
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: he had. I wasn't gonna let that end right. I

881
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna let that end right till I got my shot. Yeah,

882
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: he couldn't. He couldn't retire without facing me. No, he

883
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: couldn't do that, bro Outa, said Antonio. He would have

884
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: been a laughing stock of box out.

885
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Of st Antonio, hey man, he'd.

886
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Have been the laughing box.

887
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: Respect you, but hey man, I just wanted a heavyweight championship.

888
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: Come be the come be the real heavyweight. Get you

889
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: a belt of heavyweight. Then we're gonna get it on.

890
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I got Tyson, I got Holyfield on

891
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: my line. And maybe what happened never happened you. But

892
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: guess what you did, Joe with you?

893
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: I suppose I do. But guess what if it wouldn't

894
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: have happened like that, it would have happened some other

895
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: kind of way, because the magic was gonna come through,

896
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, and Mike Tyson could have got it too.

897
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: At that time, I wasn't playing with them. When we

898
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: did the movie with Mike with with Svesterlon, they was

899
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: trying to put that together too. Right then Mike told

900
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: me straight to my face, I'm not the game, Bro,

901
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: I ain't even doing it no more. I respected that.

902
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: But the Roy Jones Tarbor was what it was. It

903
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: was we both from Florida and man, my mom that

904
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: was her favorite fighter. My my family loved Roy, my son,

905
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: everybody got respect for Roy. But at the same time, Bro,

906
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I had to come through.

907
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's talk through that first fight man,

908
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. I was in the building. I

909
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: was in the I was in the noseblease too. I

910
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: was in the building and uh talking through that fight

911
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: in training camp for that fight, did you was Buddy

912
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: with you at the time?

913
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: Buddy is with you?

914
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: Okay?

915
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: Girl?

916
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Did y'all factor in the fact that he was going

917
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: to have to lose the muscle that he built up

918
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: for the John reasons?

919
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: I never thought about that. You never talked about it,

920
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: talked about that. It was never a strategy that was

921
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: never issued to after the fight, never an issue until

922
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: they said that on the screen and everybody ran with it.

923
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: But it's real though not saying I'm not saying that's

924
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the reason he wanted to fall it.

925
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: I don't know how it really was. When you know,

926
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm this is my regular size. I was always a

927
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: big light heavyweight. At light heavyweight, the amateur weight class

928
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: was one seventy eight. Yeah, I'm twenty six, twenty seven

929
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 2: years old. Having to lose three extra pounds now after

930
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: my body has gotten adjusted all these years to the

931
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: one seventy eight. Them three pounds almost killed me every time.

932
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: And I was having to lose two hundred. You look,

933
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: I'm two hundred all day and I'm having to lose

934
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: this week. That's why I never put a lot of

935
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: stock into it. The first fight. Bro. Go look at

936
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: that fight, bro, Look at how active, how many punches

937
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: roared through, look at how much it ebb and flow

938
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: between both und. I couldn't see he lost a step.

939
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: Talk me through it. I couldn't see that he lost

940
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: the step.

941
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: Talk me through that fight.

942
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: And that was the whole misconception. He lost it. He

943
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: wasn't the same all. You just see a different fighter

944
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: in there with him. You see a different fighter that's all.

945
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: And when you put me under the microscope, show me

946
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: my weakness, show me my weakness. I got power in

947
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: both hand them. I'm a destris. Really, if I want

948
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: to fight orth the box, I can. I got a

949
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: crazy jab one two three combination body defense. I ain't

950
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: never been cut in a boxing match, twenty three years

951
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: and amateur. How many pros, how many champions can say that?

952
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: I'll wait? Defense is the key, bro. You ain't never

953
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: seen nobody slamming nothing around on me? Bro, they miss

954
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: more than anything. The hardest thing to do is laying

955
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: a shot on the magic man. Come on, bro, talk

956
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: me through that first fight. Man, my trainer, Jimmy Winging.

957
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: Bro is the reasons behind it all. I was advanced

958
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: at ten years old, eleven years old? Come on, BROO

959
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: was the game?

960
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Ain't playing for the first fight?

961
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Man beat his ass, that's the game plan. And I

962
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: beat him with skill, talent, technique, everything the first way,

963
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: the first time. By the scoring, how you score judges,

964
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: how you score fights. It's how I beat him, ring, generalship, aggressiveness.

965
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: I landed a lot more so I thought I won

966
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: that fight. What are you.

967
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: Saying and feeling from him? As the fight fifth, sixth, seventh,

968
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: eight nine round, What are you seeing and feeling?

969
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Oh? He trying to make adjustments. I was never it

970
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: was never a done deal with Roy Jones Junior. He's

971
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: always trying to find that punch on you and he's fast. Bro.

972
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: You gotta be ready for everything. You feel me and

973
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: so preparing for Roy, you just had to be the

974
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: best you had. You could be the best you could

975
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: be and don't leave no stone unturned. So it was

976
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I had to dig deep. You ain't gonna

977
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: damn that man was there bro throwing company. They look

978
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: at how that and feeling how you finished that that fight.

979
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: But I took some out of roar that night. That

980
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: was it the first fight. The punishment he took that

981
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: night allowed me to do what I did in the rematch.

982
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: It wasn't nobody else, bro, and so at that time

983
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: I had arrived, but they took everything from me. I

984
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: ain't getting no glory, no credit or none. They made

985
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: every excuse in the world why I did what I did.

986
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: They made every excuse in the world right now, no excuses.

987
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: And you know boxing better than anybody, bro. You can't

988
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: fake that. Ain't nobody gonna let you win nothing, and

989
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: they ain't never gave me nothing. So I had to

990
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: earn everything, so you know that. So if they weren't

991
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: giving me nothing, come on, Bro, I had to work

992
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: twice as hard.

993
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: So what you're thinking before before they when they announced

994
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: in the scorecards, I'm hurt, but I'm saying before they

995
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: said the winner, what are you thinking?

996
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: I thought I wanted unanimous decisions.

997
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: Thought you wanted I thought I.

998
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: Wanted unanimous the city, especially when they said one seventeen eleven. Bro,

999
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm I'm mind blow. I'm broke. But Bro, they stole Bro.

1000
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: That's all that I kept thinking. They stole it from me. Bro.

1001
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: I came in with the belts, even though he was

1002
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: the superstar. I get that. I came in as champion.

1003
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody take my belts that night? Nobody? So I

1004
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: had to get my back. Bro. Thank god for the WBC,

1005
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: Jose Suleman for mandating that rematch, and I'm thankful for

1006
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: Don King for putting that bread up again for us

1007
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: to get that rematch.

1008
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: Man, you ain't gonna like this, but I'd have slid

1009
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: on you. Foz Roy I have said, Bro, I want

1010
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: to fight you we gotta fight everyweight.

1011
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: Though we would have fallen at heavyweight, and guess what

1012
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: would have happened. The same thing, The same thing, Drake, Yeah,

1013
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 2: the same thing, bro, talk me through.

1014
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: It looks so the first the first fight in your

1015
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: heart broke and you thought you won. What's that night like,

1016
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: next couple of days, like the next week or two, like,

1017
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: what's what's happening around you? What you're feeling after the

1018
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: first fight.

1019
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: I'm just hurt, bro. I'm telling everybody that was listening,

1020
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: I got robbed. They made every excuse in the book

1021
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: why Roy even was competitive. I even, you know, went

1022
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: the distance with me. But they couldn't see what I

1023
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: was doing. They couldn't see what I was doing. And

1024
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: I don't know nobody ever said I was easy out

1025
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: in a fight. I don't know nobody say I'm an

1026
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: easy out. So I'm the worst con bro, I'm the

1027
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: worst kind you want to see in front of you,

1028
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: because I ain't gonna quit, and as long as I'm

1029
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: in there breathe, I'm trying to knock your ass out.

1030
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: So that's how I was raised, That's how I was

1031
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: raised in the game, and I had three of the

1032
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 2: best trainers ever get in the corner. Jimmy Williams, He'll

1033
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: never get his just due, He'll never get his just

1034
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: do unless I tell his story. One of the greatest

1035
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: trainers ever, Broke I talking about it, Manual Steward and

1036
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: all it. He was that in a lot of things.

1037
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: He had the history. You feel me. He always taught

1038
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: me about pride, bro, about how much pride you gotta

1039
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 2: have in yourself and how you got to really show

1040
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: these people who you are. And I took that to heart.

1041
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna give you nothing.

1042
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: They aint gonna give you nothing. You gotta show these people, bro.

1043
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: And so I had a hell of a career though, Bro,

1044
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: the chances, I took the risks, and it was living

1045
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: on the edge, bro. And I wouldn't change the thing

1046
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: you feel me.

1047
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: It was all cool and be chilling because they're Hall

1048
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: of Fame. You still like something like you still got

1049
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: You still feel in some ways.

1050
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: About I ain't feeling no kind of way. But the

1051
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: energy gonna always be there. You feel me, The energy there,

1052
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: You feel me, So you know that's what it's all

1053
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: about too, man, the energy, bro. And I've been trying

1054
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: to spread this energy over the whole boxing game. Over

1055
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: the whole boxing game. But you gotta come to Tampa

1056
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: to get it. The energy so separately. But if you

1057
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: get this in your system, Bro, this is what you

1058
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: need if you want to, you know, do some great

1059
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: things in this sport. And you got to have somebody

1060
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: in your camp that really know what's going on. And

1061
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 2: I ain't doing a lot of talking, but I ain't

1062
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: got it. You ain't got to tell me I'm one

1063
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: of the best trainers in the game. I might be

1064
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: the best trainer in the game right now today, don't

1065
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: even have but one of two fighters. I got two

1066
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: young fighters that I'm working with. But tell me a

1067
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: trainer got my experience in big fight play, I don't

1068
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: think so. Tell me a trainer that got my experience. Bro.

1069
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: When it comes down to the years I've been in

1070
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: the game, I can help these fighters at the highest levels,

1071
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: and I just keep seeing them getting there time and

1072
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: time again, needing what I can give them. Bro, the

1073
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: energy that can change these guys' life, just like my

1074
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: life has changed for the better. And you can reach

1075
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: that mound top. Bro, you gotta have somebody to guide

1076
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: you though, because you don't know where that's Mound top At.

1077
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: I live there. That's my address. You hear me, you

1078
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: feel me, Bro, That's what I want to share with

1079
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: the world. Bro. Come to town and get this energy, bro,

1080
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: so you can get your life right.

1081
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: So you want to deal with that humidity, man, they

1082
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 1: might not want to deal with that humidity just longs.

1083
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the humidity gonna be deal with that, but

1084
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: their skin gonna shine like mine.

1085
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Deal with that. So back to the first fight, when

1086
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: did you When did you first start hearing about a

1087
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: potential rematch? Who initiated? Who called? What was that?

1088
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Like? No, we bought. We protest that night, Bro, it

1089
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: was in. It was in. Everybody in Vegas knew about that.

1090
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: You know. Uh yeah, we protest that decision. You know,

1091
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: we felt like a big injustice had been done.

1092
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: And when did it become real? Like, yo, he's on board?

1093
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I think about four months after that?

1094
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: Four months?

1095
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: About four months after that, did you.

1096
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Think you were gonna get an Initially you thought he

1097
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: was gonna I was.

1098
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna I was. I was pursuing that fight.

1099
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm on the phone with with Sulaman all the time.

1100
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 2: I'm talking to folks, Bro, like I need that it back.

1101
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: I want that fight again. I want that rematch. That's

1102
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: all I'm looking for. That's all I'm praying for. And Bro,

1103
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: we just went to camp Man. I never it just

1104
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: was the best training camp. It was that camp, like

1105
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: I never worked so hard and focused in my life, Bro,

1106
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: And I ain't even know what. I didn't think at

1107
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: that time. I was gonna knock him out, but I

1108
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: was training for it, never to get back to the

1109
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: judges card. I was training for it, never to get

1110
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: back to the judge's card. But you can't predict something

1111
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: like that. But when you train and you focus and

1112
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: you gave it your all, you put it all out there, Bro,

1113
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: you you give room for things like that to happen.

1114
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: You feel me because I believed it. I believed it

1115
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: in my heart, and so when the knockout happened, Bro,

1116
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 2: it was just all the hard work I worked for it,

1117
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: but everything came to fruition and I just knew that, Man,

1118
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: I would do it all over again. That's as hard

1119
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: as it was, as painful as it was, and some

1120
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 2: it just I'm tired of hearing people say that I

1121
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: wasn't him. I wasn't the goods. They can't say that

1122
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: no more, Bro, because my record speaks for itself when

1123
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 2: you look at my record, Bro, it ain't. But two

1124
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: men got the best of me. Bernard Hopkin because I

1125
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: didn't get the rematch, and Chad Dawson because he was

1126
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: fifteen years younger than me. Bro, who else come on?

1127
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: Fifteen years younger than me and Hopkins? That's the worst

1128
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: it got. Yeah, now I take that. Bro.

1129
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: You seem like not to say you wouldn't focus in

1130
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: the first fight, but the second fight was just a

1131
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: little bit different, you know. And referee j Nady brings

1132
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: y'all together, and you had an infamous line you interrupt

1133
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: j Nadys he's giving you a structure. You say you

1134
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: got any excuses tonight, Roy? Are you guys? They give

1135
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: it instructions from the dressing room? Dea, have any questions?

1136
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: I got a question? You got an excuse us to night, Roy.

1137
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: Let's not ask questions like that.

1138
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Let's touch love work. That's gonna work. When did you

1139
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: plan on doing that? How did that come out?

1140
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 4: Like?

1141
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that.

1142
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: I had a guy who's working with me, Charles Mwne's

1143
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: We spoke about it. He asked me, was I gonna

1144
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: say it? I didn't know. I told him, I don't

1145
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 2: know that that's doing a lot. It's doing a lot.

1146
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 2: But by the time I got to that dressing room

1147
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: with them gloves on, Bro, and I walked out there,

1148
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is it. It's all of nothing. Whatever

1149
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: gonna happen tonight, gonna live forever. Bro. I wanted to

1150
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: do something remarkable. I wanted to do something that would

1151
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: stamp my name forever in a day, Bro, And it

1152
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: happened for me because I put that work in. I

1153
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: was determined. And if you look at that fight, I

1154
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: ain't back up one time in the first round. He

1155
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: probably had his weight, but I was gunning for him.

1156
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: I want I wonn't try. It was gonna be like

1157
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: that the whole fight too. I was gonna be in

1158
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: his face and I was just letting them things go. Bro.

1159
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: And if you go back and look, I miss Roy

1160
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: seven seconds before I got him. I missed him with

1161
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: a punch and my fish went this far past his head.

1162
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: You can go back and look, and the whole crowd

1163
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: said whoo whoo, like they saw it coming. And seven

1164
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: seconds later we got him. So man, when you put

1165
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: that work in, you determine you dedicated, committed to your game,

1166
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: and things like that happen when you don't cheat yourself.

1167
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: Things like that happen when you don't cheat yourself, bro.

1168
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: And that was just God rewarded me for all my sacrifices,

1169
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: all my hard work. And Eve knew if anybody deserved that,

1170
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: it was me because I put the work in.

1171
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: Back to the focused thing. In between the first and

1172
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: second round, Buddy McGirt said, you showing him too much

1173
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: respect him and I remember you. You you interrupted him

1174
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: and said, don't use that word in this corner. Let's

1175
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: get that jab working out. Okay, let's get the jab.

1176
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: Don't get nothing, okay, when he's backing you up.

1177
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Using that word respecting, okay, okay, God didn't get yours,

1178
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: your baby, Okay, get your.

1179
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be locked in to have that kind of

1180
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: awareness and to be able to check your coach like

1181
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: that immediately in a corner like that. What made you

1182
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: say that to him?

1183
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: Because when that didn't sound right coming from his mouth,

1184
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: and like, come on, bro, I'm in no too much

1185
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: respect in the first round, I don't think so I

1186
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: didn't disagree with my trainer. He told me to go

1187
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: get my respect. I say, I'll be right back. I

1188
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: went and got it.

1189
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Youured me so, you know, but you didn't like that

1190
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: part though.

1191
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: I ain't like that part. But he challenged me. That

1192
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,479
Speaker 2: was a challenge. That was a challenge to me. I thought, yeah,

1193
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: that was a challenge to me. Sometimes those trainers have

1194
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: a way of lighting that fire under you, you know

1195
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 2: what I mean. And maybe I needed that at that time,

1196
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: because I went out there with a fury. Bro that

1197
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: when I hit that man, Bro, I knew it was over. Bro,

1198
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: I just felt it. It just was so clean. The

1199
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: shot was so clean.

1200
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: He pulls back and you dug down and as he's

1201
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: pulling back, he's got his hand like this. You come

1202
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: over the top of the straight left. Royd Jones goes down.

1203
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: What's up? He stumbles to the right side. Histor role

1204
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: re free ways at all to punch her around the world.

1205
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: Incredible, Bro, incredible. But they made every excuse in the world.

1206
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: And that's why.

1207
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: Even after even after that, who did everybody?

1208
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: Everybody? They didn't see it, Bro, They couldn't they. I mean,

1209
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: they've been looking past me all this time, even through

1210
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: the in the Olympics. Even from that, I took the

1211
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: rest though. If you go back and look at my ruckert,

1212
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: bro I fought I fought Reggie Johnson. What was that

1213
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: my fifteenth fight. That's two times world champion. See they

1214
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: not looking at things like that, you know, but a

1215
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: real fighter, somebody's doing their homework. They're gonna they're gonna

1216
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: look at that ruget Oh, this man fought Reggie Johnson.

1217
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: Reggie Johnson knocked out my boyfriend the light heavyweight title. Guthrie,

1218
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: William Guthrie, So you know he fought Roy Jones too

1219
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: to a tough fight. But at that time, like I said, Man,

1220
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: Roy was just on a different level.

1221
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: I think we've seen Tarbor like I think I think

1222
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: some of it's people not seeing you for what you are,

1223
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: and then the other part of it is that they

1224
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: like Roy my man, Bro, you broke a lot of

1225
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: people's heart, Bro, including mine. So I think it's that

1226
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: that caused people to feel a way about you, you know,

1227
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: like you be Superman and you like, well I should

1228
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: be Superman now, right, and they're like, nah, he still

1229
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: got the k right now. You had your people that's

1230
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: rocking with you, and they's like I told you that,

1231
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: But it's that, It's that it's them people over there,

1232
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: that's like, Bro, you you broke my heart. You feel me,

1233
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: and it's hard for them to see that now my heart.

1234
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: You broke my heart too. But I knew you was

1235
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: a good fighter. I knew you was a good fight.

1236
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I seen you come, like I said, all the way

1237
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: back to you know, fighting in Philly, and I was

1238
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: a student of the game as a kid, so I

1239
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: knew who you were and I was watching you and

1240
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: I saw you going to each one of Roy's fights

1241
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: and hustling for that fight. And that's man, Bro, that

1242
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: was a lampley. It happened like that was the punch.

1243
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: That was the punch heard around the world. Obviously you

1244
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: static celebrated. But what's that night like for you? What's

1245
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks Like after you did that,

1246
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: it ain't no more arguments about I thought I won you.

1247
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: You you knocked out Roy Jones Jr.

1248
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: It's surreal, bro, surreal.

1249
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did your life change? What they said the

1250
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: second fight, the money go up?

1251
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: And did it go there? Oh yeah, no money went up.

1252
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: But you know they gonna say you lost or some

1253
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to play with the money a lot

1254
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: of time. Did it go up the second fight.

1255
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: I think it went up a little bit, but he

1256
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: still got the lion's share for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's

1257
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: why I was really pissed off they robbed me because

1258
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: it would have been seventy thirty my way. You're me,

1259
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of cheese out exchanging hands, you

1260
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But the second the third I

1261
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: didn't get I didn't really get treated right to the

1262
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: third fight, and we bust that bag down the middle

1263
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: that one, and I'm still you know, the third fighter

1264
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: should have been eighty twenty. But you know that's that's

1265
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: how you get short change in the game. When you

1266
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: know they robbing you, you you having to overcome losses.

1267
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: These things are setting you back, you know, because the

1268
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: check be different every time. What's life like though, I'm

1269
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: a celebrity, for real, for real celebrity, celebrity going everywhere

1270
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: where I go. I'm having to apologize all the time,

1271
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Because like you said, bro,

1272
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: you broke my heart. And I asked him, have they

1273
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: forgave me?

1274
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, I had to forgive you

1275
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of times, bro.

1276
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: Because this I'm like, I appreciate it.

1277
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: I said, Man, I forget that rather, but man, why

1278
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying?

1279
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: And I can see, man, roy had the culture, bro, just.

1280
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: Was I was following Royce. I've been a baby. I'm

1281
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: talking about like a kid. And I remember I wrote

1282
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: roy a letter when I was a kid still got

1283
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: it somewhere, wrote him a letter and he wrote me back,

1284
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, was people brought me back.

1285
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: You gotta fight coming up, you know, against Minnie Passdiensa.

1286
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: But man, when he ever in Vegas again, would make

1287
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: the connection. And then being with James Prince, even as

1288
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: an amateur, he made the connection. So I'm able to

1289
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: be around him. I woudn't run him a lot, but

1290
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: I was around him enough. And yeah, it was just

1291
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: all of that. It's just all of that. The culture

1292
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: stuff was cool. But it was like I grew up

1293
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: watching you real dude.

1294
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know what I'm saying, get to

1295
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: know him personally, you even love him more, humble, gud

1296
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: you feel me?

1297
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: Is it still smoke with y'all? It ain't.

1298
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's real smoke, But.

1299
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: Do y'all, Like, can y'all be in the same room.

1300
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: Yes we can. We worked together man, since then, and yeah,

1301
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: we can be in the same room. Bro It was

1302
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: always with me, it was always business. I don't never

1303
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: take nothing personal. I respect you.

1304
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: Want the last too, So you for sure feeling better

1305
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: than he might be feeling.

1306
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But like I said, if if I would

1307
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: have lost to Roy Broke, it wouldn't have been the

1308
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: end of the world for me. You feel me. But

1309
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying if I don't lose, I want to get

1310
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: my hand raised. If you beat me, you beat me.

1311
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: I ain't tripping. But I know when I went fight,

1312
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 2: that's all. And I'm very keen on that. I know

1313
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: when I win a fight, and I'm the first one

1314
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 2: to say, man, you got me, it was your day.

1315
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But I'm honest, man, if

1316
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: he would have won that fight, I wouldn't be I

1317
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't have even been tripping on the rematch. You feel me,

1318
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 2: But that's why I was tripping on the rematch because

1319
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: I knew. I thought I won that fight the first time.

1320
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: Eight months later, you're riding on that high you face.

1321
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: Glenn Johnson December eighteenth, my pro debut Staples Center. He

1322
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: beat you on a split decision. What happened that night?

1323
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: What happened? I don't know what happened. I don't know

1324
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: what happened. I thought I thought I won that fight.

1325
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I lost that fight. But they

1326
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: gave it to Glenn. They made him the fight of

1327
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: the year and all that. And I had to give

1328
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: my rematch four months later, probably, and I beat him

1329
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: in Memphis at his own game. I had wasn't boxing around.

1330
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: I stayed totally told with the toughest man in the

1331
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: division and showed him that he wasn't tougher than me.

1332
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 2: And I beat him at his own game, Glenn Johnson,

1333
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: and then I felt like it was my duty to

1334
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: give Roy another shot at it. Bro We fought the trilogy,

1335
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: which that was amazing in Tampa. In Tampa, Yeah, his

1336
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: daddy got.

1337
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: Back by he brought he brought Senior back.

1338
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Senior came back. That was crazy.

1339
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: I remember he. I remember in that press conference that week.

1340
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: Roy didn't shave or nothing like that. He had like

1341
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: a crazy beard and he came in. So y'all said,

1342
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go to show up I'm here now, and

1343
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: then just like walked out and I remember, I'm at

1344
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: the I'm at it, I'm on the stage. I'm like, man,

1345
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I don't know what's gonna happen. It was

1346
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: I was there, I was front row for all that.

1347
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: I was front row for all that with like on

1348
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: the Okay, you making money, right? You getting some m's right?

1349
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: What type of businessman is Antonio Tarboro at that time?

1350
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: Are you I just talked to my people or are

1351
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: you engaged in negotiations? How you men? Is your money?

1352
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: Like?

1353
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: What's what's all that?

1354
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: Like? Well, at that time, amen, then we even working

1355
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: with Al. We was working with Al the first fight

1356
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: with Eric Harding, I'm sorry, the second fight, the rematch,

1357
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: that's when it started when me and Al and Vernon

1358
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: Forrest was my brother, Vernon Forrest, God bless and so

1359
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: that's when me and Al hooked up and we started

1360
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: running that thing. Then, Yeah, that's that's why. That's what

1361
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: you see Nowaday, that's what you see now. That was

1362
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: the beginning of the whole thing. They try to leave

1363
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: that out the story. How Al Hayman really was ushered

1364
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 2: in the game. You feel me it wasn't the way

1365
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: they thinking about it. You feel me, it was way

1366
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: before that. What date was that when I fought very

1367
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: harder than the rematch, because that's where it all started,

1368
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: that second time, the second year in Indianapolis. Yeah, that's where.

1369
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: But it was a long time ago.

1370
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: Long time ago. That's where Al Hayman was really ushered

1371
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: into the game as an advisor because he was advising

1372
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: me and Vernon. You know, Vernon passed shortly after that.

1373
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: I was the one car and the torch. I was

1374
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: the flagship. I was the seed that everything came and

1375
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: spouted off of. Right, you heard me, Then all this

1376
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: other all the other people want to come over to

1377
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: the energy, just like I told you, the energy, bro.

1378
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: That's that's how all this came about.

1379
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: It was you in tune with the business.

1380
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: I was in tune with the business. I talked to

1381
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: all Haman every day. That was my business.

1382
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: What type of negotiator was it? Was you pressing harder?

1383
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: Was you giving in?

1384
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 2: I got everything I wanted. I was the first one, bro, Yeah,

1385
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: I was the first one.

1386
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: Six months later, you get that rematch with Glenn Johnson,

1387
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: you avenge that loss, and then you finally get Roy

1388
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: in that third fight in Tampa Saint Pete. Time's form.

1389
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that fight. How was that different

1390
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,479
Speaker 1: than Fight one and fight two?

1391
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: Being at home, bro it's so easy to get distracted.

1392
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: You gotta you know, people swinking tickets merge, you know,

1393
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: they want you to they think you promoting the But

1394
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: that was the one that I really at home, broke.

1395
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: I had to be more focused, more locked in, and

1396
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: Roy came to fight. Bro Roy came to fight. He

1397
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 2: caught me in that third fight with shots that I

1398
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: didn't see. Really, he caught me with shots I never heard.

1399
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: You never really hurt me. Caught me off one time.

1400
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: All balance, but the fact that he hit me with

1401
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: shots I didn't see coming. He ain't do that the

1402
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: first time. You know, first time, I was kind of

1403
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: ware everything. But that uppercut he hit me with I

1404
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: think in the fifth round kind of rattled me a

1405
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: little bit. But I had a chin. I was all.

1406
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: Every time he hit me with something, I come back.

1407
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: So that's kind of defeating when you hit a guy

1408
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: and this guy is putting more pressure on you. I

1409
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: just had a chin, man. I was tough and in

1410
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 2: any boxing match or fight, breakout and I'm equipped. I'm

1411
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: equipped for both the fight and the boxing match. So

1412
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, being tough had you know, has this rewards, Bro,

1413
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 2: And I think that's what you can't measure on the

1414
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: tell of the tape. Somebody hard, somebody IQ and these

1415
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: are the things I was strong at, real strong at.

1416
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: So you be Roy in that third fight. Did y'all

1417
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: talk after any exchange in the ring?

1418
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: Or I always talked even when we when I when

1419
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: I won, when I knocked him out, he say, anything,

1420
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: you set the bar, Bro, you set the bar. I

1421
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 2: never you know, I'm always love you for that, you know,

1422
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: because I know Michael Jordan been on these guys walls forever.

1423
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 2: You feel me, guys trying to get up there, the

1424
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: Kobe's and all these guys that's coming from behind. So

1425
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: what that shows me that no matter how great a

1426
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: fighting is, it's always that guy that's up next. You

1427
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 2: can't underestimate that.

1428
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: That's why I would have slid on you in that

1429
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,440
Speaker 1: post fight press conference after the genre.

1430
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: Would have been known as a slot for the world

1431
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: because I've been fighting since, I've been knee high. But

1432
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: you think I was getting smoke, But you think I

1433
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: was gonna let that rest, bro, You think I was

1434
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: gonna let that rest tinue to do this.

1435
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: The difference is if Roy was still in light heavy,

1436
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: let me break it down for you. If Roy Jones,

1437
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have about twenty years think about this. If

1438
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: Roy Jones was still it light heavy, he can't slide.

1439
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: If he's still campaign in that light heavy and you

1440
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: a belt holder or you that number one contender and

1441
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: you making noise, it's a different different conversation. Him going

1442
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: to heavyweight and winning that world title. It's gonna be

1443
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: hard for anybody to say he a duck. He's like,

1444
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: I just I just did.

1445
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 2: That's what Okay. I see the picture.

1446
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying.

1447
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: I see the picture and let me.

1448
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: I don't need to fight, No dude, that been watching

1449
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: me and that been been been muling over this Sunshine

1450
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: state damn for twenty years and then seen me fight

1451
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: at the Olympics and that fire been burning. You gotta

1452
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: be strategic. So you get some people that don't know box.

1453
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: You know there's a duck. Nah, Bro, that's not a

1454
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: duck to you, It's gonna feel like a duck because

1455
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: you like, I need that smoke and I need my opportunity.

1456
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: But I'm an Olympian too. It's all that.

1457
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: All that stuff is amazing. I'm not saying to say.

1458
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you don't deserve biggest fight. I feel

1459
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: right here, I.

1460
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: Feel, but I'm the heavyweight champ of the world. Though.

1461
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: Okay, check this out, but that goes to show you

1462
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: that you know as well as I know that Roy

1463
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: wasn't staying there. That was just a bad Gotta stadium.

1464
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: If you put on twenty five pounds of muscle, brother,

1465
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: we can't come down. I don't want to come down

1466
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: making weight. It's hard enough when I ain't built myself up.

1467
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: But if I build myself, we don't go up and

1468
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: come down. You tell me who came up and came

1469
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: down and had success throughout the history of boxing. I

1470
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: ain't talking about five pound I'm talking about a jump

1471
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: up and then lost the weight and still was the same.

1472
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: Well I wish, well, you know what, Bro, I had

1473
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 2: to go. This story was already written, Drake. The story

1474
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: was already written, Bro, And it was nothing you.

1475
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: Will to how it could do, to change, will it

1476
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: to happen?

1477
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I spoke it into existence. I did the work.

1478
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: I believe that dream, and it happened for me because

1479
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: I never doubted myself. Bro, I never doubted myself. I've

1480
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: seen that you feel me, and I'm seeing what everybody

1481
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 2: else saying. I would be the first one to tell you. Yeah.

1482
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: But Bro, when you look at my history, Bro, I

1483
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: don't know how else to approach it. I couldn't approached

1484
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: it no other way. And it could have been anybody,

1485
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: dre It could have been anybody. I was gonna do

1486
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: it the same way because I had to come through, Bro, this,

1487
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 2: I had to come.

1488
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: Back till you wasn't gonna get I mean, who else

1489
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: was there. I mean, he's the biggest fight at that time.

1490
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 2: I had to come through.

1491
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: Whatever option did you have that was gonna even come

1492
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: closer that money wise or prestige wise.

1493
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: But again, that wasn't like I planned that, Bro. When

1494
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: he became a light heavyweight, that's when things got. That's

1495
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: when things changed. If he would have stayed at super middleweight,

1496
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: he would have been a super middleweight. But when he

1497
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: got to the light heavyweight division, now that's my division.

1498
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: Now we're talking.

1499
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: He said, you with my neighborhood.

1500
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: In my neighborhood, Now, now we gotta see who because

1501
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm claiming I'm the best.

1502
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: But then but then he went to another neighborhood, though.

1503
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: He should have stayed double guess what I was gonna

1504
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: come up there anyway, because it was gonna happen regardless.

1505
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: Dam I just realized I knocked not the raining heavyweight champion.

1506
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: Ida slid on you, brou But you ain't the first

1507
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: one slid on me sliding, bro, And i'ld have did

1508
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: it real smooth too. I'd have told you. I'd have

1509
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: been like, Man, hey, man, I appreciate you, Bruh. I

1510
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: hear you, bro. Now y'all he man he may y'all

1511
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: give it a an tonyo o tarbthoon.

1512
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1513
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: This dude, he he the best like heavyweight in the world.

1514
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: I ain't like heavyweight no more. Man, I'm heavyweight, So man,

1515
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: come up here, man, get beat up, beat up, beat up,

1516
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: beat up heavy one number one, continue to get a belt.

1517
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: We can get it on.

1518
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 1: I'd have looked out next question.

1519
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 2: Ida slid on you too dangerous, bro, But you know what,

1520
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 2: that's too hungry. But let me say you will say

1521
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: that now because you know all the results, but not

1522
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 2: all of that.

1523
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, because of the heavyweight thing, you can't

1524
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: do that. If y'all still like heavy, you can't do that.

1525
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: I did it every fight I seen you. I did

1526
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: it every fight. I wouldn't really buy that.

1527
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying the fact that he did go

1528
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: up and was successful a man, and and and it's

1529
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: affected because I know because I talked to Jay the

1530
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: Mic holy Field thing. It was, man, it was money

1531
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: on the table. Like, listen, I can't. I can't let

1532
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: my pride get in the way Sunshine State games. He listen, Bro,

1533
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna you come up to heavyweight if I fight

1534
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: Mike holy And then you come up and it's like,

1535
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: oh he beat the other one, he beat this guy.

1536
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: We may be able to do something. But right now,

1537
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: but you you falling at the mouth. I can't, No,

1538
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't feed you.

1539
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: Bro. It was my time too. Bro, I had already

1540
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: made some sacrifice. I thought it was just to buy

1541
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: him some more time. Bro, I don't think they really was.

1542
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: But again, if you gonna go all the way out

1543
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: your way to avoid somebody like that, like, well.

1544
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't believe you may feel different. I

1545
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: don't believe Roy went to heavyweight to avoid you. It

1546
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: was the history thing. It's the prestige artist, that's me.

1547
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 2: They probably sold him on that.

1548
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: That's my That's that's what I believe him on. I

1549
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: don't think he was running from that standpoint, right. But

1550
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, once you up, I'm not saying again.

1551
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna get people that don't know box

1552
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: and they gonna say what they say, you can't fight

1553
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: everybody like I retired, and they made up a whole

1554
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: lot about me ducking this when the duck and that

1555
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: with four and five right far number one twice, twenty

1556
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: rounds total. But I'm ducking four and five, So somebody

1557
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: gonna always find somebody. So, But what I'm saying is,

1558
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,839
Speaker 1: in that situation, the way that it was, you foaming

1559
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: at the mouth, bro, and we are not in the

1560
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: same weight class. This dude following me around the country. Bro,

1561
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: I gotta give you another obstacle, man, you gotta overcome it.

1562
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: You get to heavyweight, man, and you get a belt,

1563
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: or you beat the number one contender. Now, now, now

1564
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: the talk is there. Everybody want to see Oh I

1565
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 1: want to see a heavyweight now, I said man, you

1566
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: a big frame, gonna come up and beat somebody. I

1567
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: gotta challenge you to do what I just did. I

1568
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: gotta challenge you to beat a heavyweight like I just did.

1569
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: You do that and we still it still makes sense

1570
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 1: for sure, we can do it. I just think you

1571
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: called your shot, and that was an all time shot

1572
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: call because that could have went bad for you and

1573
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: and and the world would have forgot about He thought

1574
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: he was ready. He wasn't ready like that. That's a

1575
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: that's a different type of confidence to you pulling on

1576
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: Superman's case saying, nah, I want to fight him. Some

1577
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: dudes they not trying to fight him, or they'll just

1578
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: take it for the pay there as soon as they

1579
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: get here with them shots that speed. Instead of get spooked,

1580
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: they laid it down. So you know, me saying what

1581
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying is from Roy's perspective of how I think

1582
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: he would have handled it. But I will always have

1583
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: respect for how you did it the way you did

1584
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: because I saw it. I saw it as a kid.

1585
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: I saw it. I seen the campaign in real time,

1586
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: and I mean on social media wasn't popping like that

1587
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. But you had to get

1588
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: it out the mud like I'm showing up, give me

1589
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: a flight ticket.

1590
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: I'm showing up right right.

1591
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: You did that, bro, and I will always respect that man.

1592
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: But in between, you know, the fight with Roy and

1593
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: your next fight against Bernard, you got the opportunity to

1594
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: be in was a Rocky six, Rocky six, Rocky by

1595
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,440
Speaker 1: boy you play Mason Dixon. Tell me about that experience

1596
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: and then how to weight gain and all the stuff

1597
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 1: affected you going back down?

1598
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, Rocky boy boys, sy Vestallan. I had

1599
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: met him in ninety six after the Olympics.

1600
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: Oh you did.

1601
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: They flew me into Orlando. We met at Planet Hollywood,

1602
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: had a big, big sh dig there with his wife

1603
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 2: and kids and everything. My family was there, Ma Mo,

1604
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,440
Speaker 2: everybody's sisters had a big situation at playing in Hollywood.

1605
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: Never thinking that, you know, he's watching me, following me

1606
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: and paying any type of attention to me. But and

1607
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: then years later, I think about ten years later, I

1608
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: get a call. He want to ask me to do

1609
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: this big movie you know co star' that's big. Where

1610
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: do I sign up? You feel me? This opportunity of

1611
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 2: a lifetime, man is just forever be grateful for slide

1612
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: man for just seeing the ability to potential in me

1613
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: and giving me that shot. And I think I held

1614
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: it up pretty good and I did what I was

1615
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: supposed to do and we made a hell of a movie. Man,

1616
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 2: it was. It was amazing just thinking about it, and

1617
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 2: forever grateful for Sylvester.

1618
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: Store still getting in residual checks.

1619
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they still dropping me.

1620
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: Man, I'm still getting Crean wanted to steal. That's five six,

1621
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: seven years, still.

1622
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 2: Getting You know how long it's been for me. So

1623
01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: even though they going.

1624
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: Down and they go down, but you get him for

1625
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: a long time.

1626
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, unexpected money money called that the mailbox money.

1627
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so in the fight would be hot?

1628
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: Man?

1629
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: Be how deal with Roy did? He went to Mackie

1630
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: built herself up? And you said you had trouble in

1631
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: that fight, You didn't feel yourself? What was that camp

1632
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: like for you? Getting ready to be hot?

1633
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 2: Camp was great? I thought we ain't had no issues

1634
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: in camp, like I said.

1635
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean with the waight. I heard you were saying

1636
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: the man just being off in the weight gain.

1637
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 2: But I took it. I took some time to get

1638
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: that weight. I've never had problems, so that wasn't the

1639
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: issue for you going into the no. I didn't think so.

1640
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: I thought we had a real good camp. We worked hard,

1641
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: for sure. God, I was in tip top, I was

1642
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 2: in great shape. I just didn't feel like myself in

1643
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 2: that fight for various reasons. And you know, I don't

1644
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: want to really get into that now, because you know

1645
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: it's some things that I know. All you gotta do.

1646
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: If you know boxing, just go look at the tape.

1647
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: Just go look at the tape. Bro and I fought

1648
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 2: a lot of time. You can draw the comparison. Just

1649
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: certain natural instincts, natural things that I do. Like right now,

1650
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: what's gone? You know, I'm looking at right, hands come

1651
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: at me, slow motion, hit me, broke out the way,

1652
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: can't even get out the way. I don't know what's

1653
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: going on. But one interesting thing that was said in

1654
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: that fight between the rounds, and you have to go

1655
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: back and listen to it. His coach told him I

1656
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: had nothing in the second round. Everybody else might be surprised,

1657
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 2: everybody else might be shot.

1658
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: But it's real simple, baby.

1659
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: That thing is just like a budget. He can't keep working,

1660
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: he can't maintain you're momental, he can't keep this pace.

1661
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: The man say be hop he has nothing to night,

1662
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: nothing that in the second round. So you know, Bro,

1663
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: I can go on and on about that fight. You

1664
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: just gotta put an asterisk by that, Bro. That's what

1665
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: y'all accept that as you gotta put an asterisk by

1666
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: that fight. And I'm gonna have to speak on that later.

1667
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't really want to give it up right now.

1668
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: But that's why I got the greatest story never told,

1669
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: because it is somebody gotta tell it, though, you feel me,

1670
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 2: Somebody gotta tell it. And you know they changed history

1671
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: that night, bro. But all I wanted was a rematch,

1672
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: and I couldn't get that.

1673
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't on the table.

1674
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't get that, Bro. Now you push for it, Yes,

1675
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 2: I pushed for it. The hold on, Bro. I got

1676
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 2: the belts, I got the championships, everything. This man ain't

1677
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 2: even in my weight class. He two weights below me,

1678
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: and he's coming off two losses. And I couldn't get

1679
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: a rematch. Clause. That's to tell you everything right there.

1680
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 2: You know, boxing, I couldn't get back, and I lost

1681
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,839
Speaker 2: my status right then that night. Never got my status

1682
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: back until last week when they crowned me Hall of famer.

1683
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: They took my status, bro, and that's what they gave Hopkins.

1684
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: And I could have fixed that with a rematch, because

1685
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: whatever happened that night would have never happened in the rematch.

1686
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: So but I never got a chance to straighten out.

1687
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 2: But I'm three and zero in rematches at the time, Drake.

1688
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 2: So that's how I couldn't get back what I lost

1689
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: that night. And even though I won championships after that,

1690
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: light heavyweight and cruiserweight, he didn't ruin me like he

1691
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: ruined Pavolic the same way he didn't ruin me like

1692
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: he ruined Pavlic. But go back and look at pavlic fight.

1693
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 2: You saw the same thing. Bro. You can't be blind

1694
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: all the time. You go back and look at that

1695
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: fight that and who that is in there? Who is

1696
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: that person in there? Come on, bro, best defense in

1697
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: the game never been cut. Mayweather can't say that, Come on, bro,

1698
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: for real. So that's that's just that's Hopkins. Bro put

1699
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: the astrobot. I didn't get my rematch. They put it

1700
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 2: in the game.

1701
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, why do you feel like you never

1702
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: got your status back?

1703
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: I didn't, But why you say that? Because I felt that, Bro,

1704
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 2: you know status is something different. They took my status

1705
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 2: as a champion, bro, that night, even though they kept

1706
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Hopkins on top of me the whole time. You feel me,

1707
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: So that's how they do, Bro. But why I didn't

1708
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 2: get a rematch if they so confident and beat me,

1709
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: he beat me so easily, Why he couldn't just do

1710
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 2: it twice? Make yourself some more money? Come on, Bro,

1711
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: that was a setup, if it ever was one.

1712
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: So negotiations you try, you push back against the the

1713
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:46,480
Speaker 1: no rematch clause.

1714
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: Bro, I wanted to rematch. I should have never took

1715
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: the fight.

1716
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: You could have not, you could have walked.

1717
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: I should have never took the fight. But sometime your

1718
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: loyalty can be your your biggest downfall, your loyalty. So

1719
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, I should have never took that. I should

1720
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: have never gave them that opportunity to screw me over

1721
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: like that, Bro, because if everything was fair, they would

1722
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: have gave me a rematch clause. Being the damn near

1723
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: the undisputed champion, and this man coming off two losses

1724
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: to Jermaine Taylor, why I gotta do a favor for him, Budd,

1725
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 2: Come on, BRO, I never I was my manager at

1726
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 2: the time, I was my manager at the time.

1727
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: Al presented that to you.

1728
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 2: Al was my manager at the time. Bro, that fight

1729
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: still hunts me. Bro. It ain't no, it ain't nothing

1730
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: wrong with losing to it. Bernard Hopkins, that ain't ain't

1731
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,879
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. He's a great fighter, great champion.

1732
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 2: But Bernard Hopkins don't out box Antonio Tarborough on no night,

1733
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: on no night, not technically. So no one the best

1734
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 2: amateur fighters of all time. You're finna beat me, no

1735
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 2: skill for skill.

1736
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: But I'm saying you don't no credit whatever I say.

1737
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Fame, legendary fighter. He don't out

1738
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: box me. That's out box. We're talking about boxing now.

1739
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: But he did that.

1740
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: We're talking about boxing now. I'm one of the best

1741
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 2: amateurs of all time, Bro, amateurs. That's my game, technique,

1742
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: the a's and b You should have come on. Hopkins

1743
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: has never been known as a technical fighter. Bro, So

1744
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: how you beat me technically? I'm asking you, Okay, I'm

1745
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 2: trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. They

1746
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: put you in the game. Bro. You ever seen a

1747
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: setup that's it? A real setup? And I couldn't get

1748
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: back because they ran away with the title, and if

1749
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 2: they wasn't so scared of me, why they didn't get

1750
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: me the remat. That's all I'm saying. Beat me twice.

1751
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 2: If I beat somebody that was worthy, they gonna get

1752
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: that remat. But beat me twice, because you know the

1753
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: first time, he ain't no telling what happened. The second time,

1754
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell who the best fighter was. Second time

1755
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: I fought Chad Dawson, turned the dog on volume off.

1756
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 1: You got back in the win column. You lost to

1757
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: Chad twice. I think I was at the second fight

1758
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: in Vegas.

1759
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: In Vegas, that was a real, real close fight.

1760
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: Bro How don't you want that?

1761
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: I felt I could have been I could have been

1762
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: given the decision, but I knew I wasn't gonna get

1763
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 2: a close fight. See if I don't knock somebody out,

1764
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm losing with an eight four eight four card, eight

1765
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: rounds of four, I'm losing that fight. That's how it

1766
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 2: was for me. I had to blow them out and

1767
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 2: knock them out. Anything remotely close. They going the other way, period.

1768
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 2: So I had to be better than great throughout my

1769
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 2: whole career because I had other things against me, bro

1770
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: old media. I had other things against They couldn't understand

1771
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 2: me because I was a real one from you know.

1772
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: Still ain't nothing changed since the day Hey I came

1773
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: into the game. Yeah, all this hate, but when they

1774
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: meet me, they got their own experience. I'm giving people experience. Bro.

1775
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 2: You gonna remember when you meet Antonio Tarboro. Yeah, because

1776
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: I ain't no. I'm just regular people that just had

1777
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: a dream, had a vision for myself, and I went

1778
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: out and got it and ain't let none stand in

1779
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: my way. That's what I think. All you guys out

1780
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: there should be on that on that vibe, bro, But

1781
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: you gotta be able to see it, or you gotta

1782
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 2: be able to be willing to do the work, make

1783
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: the sacrifice. I ain't have no from twenty to thirty,

1784
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: I ain't have no life. I committed everything to boxing.

1785
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Anything was coming around me had to come in that

1786
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 2: circle because that's the commitment. Because I knew that other

1787
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: guy was doing the same thing. I knew Roy was

1788
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: out there doing the same thing, Clint Woods, all these

1789
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,759
Speaker 2: guys that were Glenn Jumps them. Guy was working, bro, Yeah,

1790
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: I was working. So I'm proud of what I accomplished.

1791
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: I really am, Bro, and I got out the mud.

1792
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: I went through every stage, every step, and was the

1793
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: best at every level. I proved that. So you gotta understand,

1794
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 2: I don't see why I couldn't be whoever who everything

1795
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 2: I say I was, I don't. I never saw myself

1796
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 2: any differently. I always saw myself as the best always.

1797
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is that just happened to be your road,

1798
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I had my road,

1799
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: you got they said, oh, you wasn't this. You should

1800
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: have been there, you should have did this. My road

1801
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: is my road, My lane is my lane. You ain't

1802
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, selling a million pay per views that wasn't

1803
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: my rod. That's not my lane. This is my lane,

1804
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: and this is my role.

1805
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna own that.

1806
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: And the older I get, the more I appreciate my lane.

1807
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody else's life. I don't want nobody

1808
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: else's career. And I've just learned to be settled with that,

1809
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 1: because the thing is, I know I did everything I

1810
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,520
Speaker 1: was supposed to do for as long as I could,

1811
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: and I respected the sport. I'm sure I made mistakes

1812
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: in certain places. Whatever. You know, you get older, you're like, dang,

1813
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: I wish could have had that moment back which I

1814
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: could have had that that period in time back. We're

1815
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: gonna do that. That's just part of life. But your

1816
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: role was your role, you know, and and your role

1817
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: led you to the Hall of fame. We got a

1818
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: king's ransom man to do something that you know that

1819
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: we've been doing since we've been kid a king's ransom.

1820
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so, you know, just be encouraged in that

1821
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: man and rest in that man. And your role is

1822
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: your role. Your story is your story. That's just what

1823
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not supposed to be nobody else then

1824
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: fay are you? You didn't do what he did. I'm

1825
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: locking people with him. I'm happy for him, but I

1826
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be where I was supposed to be

1827
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: in my story, just like your story gives people inspiration

1828
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: and listen of KnowI men, it can happen. Y'all can

1829
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: reach out and touch me. I'm a real person. Like

1830
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff that my life brings. Your

1831
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: life brings waste on what God did. I survived a lot.

1832
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: I got the scars to prove it. I can still

1833
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: talk about I got a story and I'm still out

1834
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: here doing my thing. You're still out here doing your things.

1835
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: So I just think, man, especially as we get older,

1836
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: we got to just sit back and rest and I'm

1837
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: not looking to the left of the right. My story

1838
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: is my story, and my lane is my lane, and

1839
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that because I wasn't even supposed to

1840
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: do what I did. You wasn't supposed to do.

1841
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: What you did. We definitely overachievers, Bro.

1842
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: Ain't no doubt about it. Man, you transition into broadcasting,

1843
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: you're still connected to the sport. It's a beautiful thing.

1844
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: And I think the last one I want to ask you, though,

1845
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: is what are your lessons? What have you like? I

1846
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of takeaways, but just a couple

1847
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: of takeaways. I don't know. Maybe it's about money, maybe

1848
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 1: it's about you know whatever. What are your biggest lessons

1849
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: that you take away and say this sport taught me this.

1850
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 2: That if you're willing to do the work and make

1851
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: the sacrifices, Bro, you can become anything you want to

1852
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 2: because you can do it, but you gotta mean it,

1853
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: and you gotta know that in your heart. It's you.

1854
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Don't try to be nobody else, be true to yourself

1855
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 2: and make no excuses, make no excuses.

1856
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Bro. I appreciate you too, you know,

1857
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: digging up a lot of them things, man, and you

1858
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: know it's a It's a beautiful story man, you know.

1859
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 1: And one thing I'm gonna always appreciate about you and

1860
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: always give your flowers for it. Man, you believe when

1861
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: nobody else believed. You will be very easy to get

1862
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: discouraged with your belief because it didn't happen right away.

1863
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: You had to fight for it, You had to kick

1864
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 1: for it, you had to scratch for it, even though

1865
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: it's against my man, Man, I respect it, and I

1866
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: believe Roy Doo too. I respect how you went about

1867
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: what you did. Man. You fought the best in the world.

1868
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: You beat the best in the world, Bro, and I

1869
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: don't care what they say, and get to that Hall

1870
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: of fame. Man, you made it. Whether you made it,

1871
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: we appreciate you.

1872
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 2: Man.

1873
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 1: That's another amazing episode of the art Board. We appreciate

1874
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you tapping in with us.

1875
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 2: HM