1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I get everybody. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: The Starting Over Again audition as Joe Burrow returns to 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: the practice field and the Bengals return from their bye 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: week to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Coming up, Former 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: UC and Carolina Panthers quarterback Tony Pike joins me to 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: discuss the return of Joe Burrow, the incredible play of 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, and how to fix the Bengals defense. Speaking 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: of defense, I'll go one on one with Miles Murphy, 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: who is getting an ample opportunity to show what he 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: can do. And in this week's Know the Faux segment, 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: we'll hear from the voice of the Steelers, Rob King. 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps, 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 2: proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider, by 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Alta Fiber future proof Fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. Now here's a 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: by subscribing wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest 22 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: thing since The Illusionists Table. This past weekend, I had 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: a rare double buy in the football season, as the 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Bengals and Bearcats had the weekend off. My wife and 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: I took advantage of it. My birthday was in early October, 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: and as a present, my wife got us tickets to 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: something called The Illusionists Table. It's a show that started 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: in New York City before going on the road. We 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: saw it during a one week run in Tampa. Here's 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: the concept. Twenty four to twenty eight people gather around 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: an elegant candlelit table for a gourmet meal with wine 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: pairings and whiskey tastings, and during the feast, a magician 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: slash mentalist named Scott Sylvan performs for the group. Now, 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil any of the illusions, but 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: let's just say that my wife and I are still 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: debating how in God's name did he do that. If 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: you would like a taste of the magic, not the meal, 38 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: go to YouTube and type in Scott Sylvan. That last 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: name is spelled SI l V E N. There are 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: several fun clips of him doing the impossible. When the 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: Bengals return to practice this week, Joe Burrow did something 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: that blew our minds. He returned to practice on a 43 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: limited basis less than two months after injuring his toe. 44 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: Here's left tackle Orlando Brown Junior on Burrow's return. 45 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 3: Really good to see. You know how far he's come 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: in his recovery and rehab. 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 4: Man. 48 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: You know, everybody knows how much of a competitor he is, 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: how much he loves it. 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's good to se him. Mother. 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: It's been fifty seven days, I mean, not very long 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: for him to be out there running around throwing the football. 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: I guess that speaks to his quick healing abilities. 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like wolverine man. 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: I mean, this is the guy that not only does 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: he love football, he's gonna figure out a way to 57 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: get healthy. You know, he's been able to rehab and 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: come back from a lot of different injuries and crazy 59 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: freak stuff. But he was made for man, and you know, 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: it's unfortunate what happened to him earlier this year in Jacksonville, 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: But I mean I wouldn't be surprised he come back 62 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: even stronger. 63 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Burrow says the returning from this injury wasn't as difficult 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: as coming back from his knee and wrist injuries, and 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: that it doesn't affect his ability to throw the ball. 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: I'm not too concerned about the actual mechanics of the 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 5: throwing that feels good. The toe, the specifically the front 68 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: toe isn't very involved in that. It's just the planting 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 5: and I'm strong enough and we feel good about doing that. 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: At this point. 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: It's just the running, cutting, twitchy shortstops that we're gonna 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 5: have to see you over these next couple of weeks. 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: The Bengals have three weeks to decide whether to activate 74 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: Joe or shut him down for the rest of this season. 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: I asked Burrow if he's determined to play again this 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: year and if the Bengals one loss record will matter, You'll. 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 4: See how these next couple of weeks ago. 78 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot that goes into it. Like 79 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 5: you said, there's a lot of variables that you have 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 5: to consider, and we're just gonna see how these next 81 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, see what it feels. We have 82 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 5: twenty one days to figure that out. Could be early, 83 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 5: could be late in that window. Uh, we're still we're 84 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 5: still pretty early post surgery for this injury. So we 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 5: have a couple weeks of practice to figure that out 86 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 5: and see where it goes. 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: After two weeks of practice, the Bengals next game would 88 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: be on Thanksgiving night in Baltimore, and Joe grinned when 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: he was asked if his goal is to return for 90 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: that game. That remains to be seen, but seeing him 91 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: back on the practice field was a great sign that 92 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 2: the toe injury should not post problems going forward. For 93 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: more on Burrow, Joe Flacco, and the rest of the team, 94 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: I spoke to a former NFL quarterback this week, Tony Pike, 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati Hall of Famer and the host 96 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: of Since He three to sixty every weekday from noon 97 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: to three on ESPN fifteen thirty in Cincinnati. Tony, what 98 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: was your reaction on Monday when Joe Burrow took the 99 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: practice field fifty seven days after tearing ligaments at the 100 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: base of his left toe. 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: Shock. 102 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 6: All the work it takes to get yourself back in 103 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 6: a position not only physically but mentally able to get 104 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 6: back out there and play is incredible. I unfortunately had 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 6: my share of injuries, and I thought the mental side 106 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 6: was harder than the physical side to get back, because 107 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 6: once you have one major injury, you know how much 108 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 6: it takes to get back in it. And when I 109 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 6: heard that, you know, you think maybe there's a chance 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 6: at the end of the year for a game or 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 6: two he comes back to not only see him Okay, 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 6: he's going to give it a go, but he's got 113 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 6: the cleats on, he's throwing the ball, he's moving around 114 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: to hear the reports about, you know, the personal challenge 115 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 6: he took it as to want to to shatter what 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 6: the thoughts were about how quick you can get back 117 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 6: from an injury like that. I have so much respect 118 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 6: as the player that Joe Burrow is, but I have 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 6: so much respect for what it takes mentally to go 120 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 6: through this process. You're alone for so much of it, 121 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 6: and to battle through and to come out and just 122 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 6: be here and want to be there for your teammates, 123 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 6: I think is awesome. 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: Let me follow up on your injuries and your junior 125 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: and senior years that you see, you broke bones in 126 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: your left forearm. You came back really quickly with plates 127 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: and screws in your arm, but a lot was at stake. 128 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: Cincinnati was playing for the Big East championship. In both 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: of those seasons. Should Joe Burrows come back be tied 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: to Bengals wins and losses? 131 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 6: There's an argument to be made for it, But the 132 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 6: competitor and the athlete says, no, you want to get 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 6: back out there with your guys. You know that that's 134 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 6: the driving force behind of it. Yes, you want to 135 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 6: win a championship, you want to win a title, but 136 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 6: you want to be there for the guys that that 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 6: you've been there throughout everything with and and and that 138 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 6: have sacrificed a lot to be in that position. That's 139 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 6: what I think drives Joe Burrow. I think it's it's 140 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 6: an understanding of where this team is at and where 141 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 6: they want to go, but also how important it is 142 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 6: for him to be out there with this team. And 143 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 6: and you know you asked the question to Joe earlier 144 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 6: in the week, Dan of you know, the ongoing the 145 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 6: the medal or the the procedure that it takes just 146 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 6: to get the equipment right inside that that's it's so true, 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 6: Like you're you're going back and forth, does this work? 148 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 6: Does this work? How does this feel, what is this like? 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 6: Can you play with this? It's such a process and 150 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 6: you know to to have him back out that that 151 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 6: was the ultimate goal for for any competitor, for me, 152 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 6: for Joe Burrow, for anybody else. How quick can I 153 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 6: get back out there and be with the team. You're 154 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 6: not thinking about yourself, You're not thinking about your body 155 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 6: at the time. You're not really thinking about the win 156 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 6: loss record. It's I need to get back out there 157 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 6: with my guys. 158 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: There wasn't a ton of video of him practicing on Monday, 159 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: but I imagine you studied what was out there frame 160 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: by frame. Did anything stand out in terms of the 161 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: throwing motion or the way he was moving around? 162 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 6: No, just the smoothness at which he was moving There 163 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 6: wasn't you know you think I originally thought when we 164 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 6: heard the news that he's gonna be out there in 165 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 6: jim shoes going through some stuff. He's got the cleats on, 166 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 6: he's got the helmet, He's ready to go. It's interesting 167 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 6: to me because it's the left foot, and just from 168 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 6: a quarterback mechanic point of view, the right leg and 169 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 6: the right foot is really your driving force. That's how 170 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 6: you're you're generating power on all your throws. So one, 171 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 6: I think it's a good thing that it is the 172 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 6: left if there was a better toe for this to 173 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 6: happen on because he's not driving with that toe, He's 174 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 6: just kind of planting and aiming with toe. What I 175 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 6: do think is interesting and we haven't got to see yet. 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 6: There's been so much made about Joe Flacco and going 177 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 6: under center and how this offense operates. That to me 178 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 6: is I think the biggest challenge is getting a snap, 179 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 6: whether it's under center, in the shotgun and now as 180 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 6: a right handed quarterback, I'm rotating and now to get 181 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 6: back in my drop now it's opposite, I'm pushing off 182 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 6: with my left. That's where I think it can be difficult. 183 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 6: Is that push off, whether it's away from center or 184 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 6: whether it's getting a shotgun snap and taking a three 185 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 6: step drop. I don't think anything in the throw or 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 6: the motion is going to be the issue. It's just 187 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 6: how how can he manage that in pushing away from 188 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. 189 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: We're visiting the former UC in Carolina Panthers quarterback Tony Pike. 190 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Flacco, what he's done in his 191 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: first four games with minimal practice time. Seems impossible to 192 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: me as a former quarterback. What's impressed you most. 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 6: The composure, the ability to pick up a new system. 194 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 6: You could talk all you want about Well, he's been 195 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 6: in the league so long, he's seen it all. That's fine, 196 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 6: and it's true. It's a completely different set of herbage. 197 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 6: It's a completely different routree. It's different concepts. 198 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 4: Now. 199 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 6: Yes, in your mind, you hear something and you pair 200 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 6: it with something you've done in the past, but that 201 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 6: doesn't mean you get to call it whatever you call 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 6: it in the past. You still got to learn a 203 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 6: whole new playbook. I love how simple he's kept things. 204 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 6: You know, it's sometimes in life, sometimes in sports, we 205 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 6: overcomplicate a lot of things. And he's the first one 206 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 6: to tell you, I know number one and I know 207 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 6: number five are really good players, and I'm gonna throw 208 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 6: it to them as much as possible. And at times 209 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 6: it sounds funny, but that's what he's done. You know, 210 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 6: he's fit into this system so well because he's played 211 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 6: for so long. Like I thought, one of the coolest 212 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 6: things was after one of his first games where he's 213 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 6: talking to the media and he's talking about conversations he's 214 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 6: had with his family and friends, and I'm just thinking 215 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 6: to like a dude, like a guy Joe Flacco, ordinary 216 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 6: guy gets done playing in the NFL on Sunday and 217 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 6: he's talking to his family like, you guys aren't gonna 218 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 6: believe these guys that I get to throw the ball too. 219 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 6: Like there's a genuine excitement, and he understands the greatness 220 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 6: that's around him on the offensive side of the ball, 221 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 6: So him getting incorporated into that. I think he's tried 222 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 6: to keep it as simple as possible, and I think 223 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 6: there's value to that in football, because the quicker you play, 224 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 6: the more confident that you play, the. 225 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Better chances success you have. 226 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 6: He's not overthinking things, he's not holding onto the ball, 227 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 6: and then you're starting to see everything kind of mess together. 228 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 6: The run game now gets better, the old line gets better. 229 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 6: I mean, there was a point in the last game 230 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 6: Mitchell Tinsley had a big catch. Yoshi was huge, Noah Fan. 231 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 6: I mean he's now he's spreading the ball out because 232 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 6: now he knows he's got oposing defenses kind of in 233 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 6: the palm of his hands, because you can't guard everyone 234 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 6: on this offense. 235 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I think he's been fantastic. 236 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: Let me follow up on the offensive line. Flacco has 237 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: been sacked less than twice a game in his four starts. 238 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: The running game is averaging five and a half yards 239 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: per carry in those four games. Is it time to 240 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: start giving some love to the often beligned offensive line. 241 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Yes, they deserve it at this point. 242 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 6: I think Dylan Fairchild has been awesome as a rookie 243 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 6: to come in and be tasked with what he's been 244 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 6: tasked with. A Marius Mimes. You know everyone saw year 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 6: number one. There's a lot of times in year number 246 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 6: two you have that sophomore slump. I think he's getting 247 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 6: better each in every game. Jalen Rivers another a rookie, 248 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 6: a draft pick for this team that's been relied on 249 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 6: many different times. Ted Carris is solid up the middle. 250 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 6: I think it's also important to recognize they have a 251 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 6: new offensive line coach and Scott Peters. You know that 252 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 6: just doesn't happen overnight. You got a rookie from a 253 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 6: last year, Marius Mims, you got two new rookies this year. 254 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 6: They've done stuff their way their whole careers. Now that's changing, 255 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 6: and it changed for Orlando Brown junior, and it changed 256 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: for Ted Carris and everybody else. That just takes time. 257 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 6: When you're trying to fit new pieces together, it takes time. 258 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 6: I certainly think Joe Flacco has helped with the ability 259 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 6: to go under center because it does slow down a 260 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 6: pass rush. When there is that fifty to fifty chance 261 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 6: that the ball is going to be handed off or 262 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 6: the ball is going to be thrown, I think that 263 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 6: slows things down. I think it puts more on a 264 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 6: plate of a defense of what they have to be 265 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 6: asked to do instead of just getting that free start 266 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 6: when the quarterback is predominantly in the shotgun. But it's 267 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 6: easy in today's day and age, you know, if you're 268 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 6: not winning every game you play, and to just find 269 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 6: stuff to harp on. On the negative side, but the 270 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 6: offensive line over the last couple of weeks has been 271 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,239 Speaker 6: making very very good improvements. 272 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: Donny, let's turn to the defense. Where does fixing the 273 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: defense begin? In terms of position group. 274 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 6: You know, the defensive line has to do a better 275 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 6: job of getting home. And that's hard because Trey Hendrickson 276 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 6: is banged up, Shamar Stewart has been banged up. That's 277 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 6: hard for a rookie the linebackers. You're asking two rookie 278 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 6: linebackers to read at the highest level. When you think 279 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 6: of like Princeton, Harvard Ivy schools, I mean, that's what 280 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 6: offense is in the end, and you're asking rookie linebackers 281 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 6: to diagnose what they're seeing on the field without really 282 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 6: a veteran now around them to say, hey, are you 283 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 6: seeing this? Like it's two it's two rookies, so they're 284 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 6: going through growing pains as well. I think DJ Turner 285 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 6: has been one of the best corners in the NFL 286 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 6: all year. But it's just it's the tackling as a whole. 287 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 6: We could talk about scheme, you could talk about playmaking. 288 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 6: The fact that you see so many players on the 289 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 6: list of mistackles. Yes, you want to tackle better, but 290 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 6: it also tells me there's a lot of players that 291 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 6: are in position to make the tackle. So I don't 292 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 6: know that it's much of a scheme. Thing is, hey, 293 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 6: guys are in the right spot. It's just about finishing. 294 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 6: And now you get a chance during the bye week 295 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 6: to really self scout, to look at what you're doing, 296 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 6: to look at tendencies that you've shown, or is there 297 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 6: a way for a linebacker that you can fill in 298 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 6: that gap a half second quicker and then make the 299 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 6: tackle instead of being put more on an island. I 300 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 6: think self scout, and I think just the basics. They're 301 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 6: in position, bring down the ball carrier, and you got 302 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 6: a chance to get off the field and get the 303 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 6: ball back. To a really good offense. 304 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: There aren't many glaring weaknesses on offense, especially if you 305 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: believe in the rookie guards and the key players are 306 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: under contract. So having said that, if the Bengals devote 307 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: most of their resources draft picks, free agency, etc. Toward 308 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: fixing the defense, how much better can it get in 309 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: a year? 310 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 6: If you look at the jump from twenty twenty to 311 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, it can get a lot better. You know, 312 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 6: this team is going to have money to spend, They're 313 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 6: going to have resources, and you know who you are 314 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 6: on offense, and that's the biggest thing. It's one thing 315 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 6: to say, well, we got to attack all these different 316 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 6: positions and his oh line still a question. 317 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Right now? 318 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 6: You feel great about the offense, you know, going back 319 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 6: to the second half of the Green Bay game, I've 320 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 6: felt great about the offense since then. What they did 321 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 6: against Pittsburgh, the game against the Jets. The Bears offensively, 322 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 6: they're there. Number nine is going to be the quarterback 323 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 6: in the future. Number one is going to be here, 324 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 6: is gonna be here. And Chase Brown, who got to 325 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 6: take in a nice UC basketball game against the Dayton Flyers. 326 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 6: Chase Brown's gonna be here. And there are offensive coordinators 327 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 6: and offenses around the NFL that would line up around 328 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 6: the block. They have a chance to have those playmakers 329 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 6: as the root of their team. As long as they're there, 330 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 6: this team has a chance to win a Super Bowl. 331 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 6: The defense doesn't have to be a top ten defense. 332 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 6: Can you get them to the top fifteen or twenty 333 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 6: in the NFL? And if so, I think you're talking 334 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 6: about a team that's right back in contention. 335 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: The Bengals beat the Steelers thirty three to thirty one 336 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: a bottom month ago. What are the biggest keys to 337 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh the second time around? 338 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 6: You know a Mike Tomlin coach team coming off a 339 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 6: loss is going to come out swinging early. It's a 340 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 6: Steelers team that has been up and down. They beat 341 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 6: one of the best teams in the AFC. The Indianapolis 342 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 6: Colts and then just essentially no showed against the Chargers 343 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 6: on Sunday Night football. You're gonna get a focused team. 344 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 6: You're gonna a team that's understanding with what's going on 345 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 6: in the AFC North that they have to put their 346 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: best foot forward. Aaron Rodgers was not good on Sunday Night. 347 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 6: I would expect him to be much better. But that 348 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: first go around with the Bengals, they re lied on 349 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 6: those heavy sets, they were lied on the run game, 350 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 6: they were lied on play action with the tight ends, 351 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 6: and then they'll take their shots to DK Metcalf. But 352 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 6: it's not a game that I foresee Pittsburgh beating themselves. 353 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 6: It's a game you've got to go. You've got to 354 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 6: be fundamentally sound. I would expect that first go round. 355 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 6: I was shocked in the second half that Pittsburgh did 356 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 6: not play more zone defense. I know it's their strength. 357 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 6: I know they want to be man to man. I 358 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 6: know they want to be physical. They've moved Jalen Ramsey 359 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 6: to safety, which I think is significant in how they 360 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 6: want to operate on defense. It's still a good defensive line. 361 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 6: Jack Sawyer is one of the best grated rookies out there. 362 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: TJ. 363 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 6: Watt is still a member, Cam Heyward. You can't let 364 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 6: those guys start to feel comfortable. You can't let them 365 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 6: start to feel okay, here we go. Keep them off balance, 366 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 6: keep pushing the ball. I like the tempo at which 367 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 6: the Bengals are playing with offensively and defensively. I know 368 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: it's cliche. Tackle in space, and I think make Aaron 369 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 6: Rodgers uncomfortable. 370 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: All right. 371 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 6: He's over forty years old. He's not moving as well 372 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 6: as he once was. He had way too much time 373 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: in the pocket that first go around to identify where 374 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 6: he wanted to attack. Make life a little bit harder 375 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 6: on Aaron Rodgers. Get some pressure up the middle, get 376 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 6: some pressure around his feet, and I think you got 377 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 6: a great chance to pick up what would be a 378 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 6: huge win with the Borough News looming, to get this 379 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 6: season right back on track for the Bengals, no. 380 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: Doubt about it. 381 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Tony. 382 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: Keep up the great work on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks 383 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: so much for your time, always always, thank you, Dan. 384 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps, 385 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider by 386 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: Alta fiber future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business, 387 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 388 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health is 389 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. It doesn't look 390 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: like the Bengals will have Trey hendrickson this week due 391 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: to a hip injury, and Shamar Stewart's status is up 392 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: in the air as well due to a knee injury. 393 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: So it's going to be up to guys like Joseph 394 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: Osai and Miles Murphy to put pressure on Aaron Rodgers. 395 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: This is Murphy's third NFL season after being the twenty 396 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: eighth overall pick in the twenty twenty three draft, and 397 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: the Bengals remain hopeful that he can turn his potential 398 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: into production. I spoke to Miles about that this week. Miles, 399 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: you've led the Bengals defensive linemen in snaps each of 400 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: the last two games. You were too off the lead 401 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: in the game before that. Is this the opportunity that 402 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 2: you've been looking for? 403 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 7: I mean yeah, I feel like as a player you 404 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 7: always look for any opportunity you can get, really anytime 405 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 7: you're on the field, regardless of the snap count. You 406 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 7: want to take advantage of each and every snap, whether 407 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 7: there's one or seventy, you want to take advantage of 408 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 7: each and every one of them, and in the film 409 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 7: to put your best feet for it. 410 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: Really, do you feel like all of these snaps are 411 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: paying off? And if so? How? 412 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 7: Uh? 413 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 414 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 7: I think I think experience is the best teacher, regardless 415 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 7: of who your coach is. Like, if you're on the field, 416 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 7: you're you're gonna learn something. Coaches help, So the coaches 417 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 7: help you progress faster, but experience, I feel is the 418 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 7: best teacher. Might say his dudes that are just year ten, 419 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 7: year twelve that I've talked to, and it's just things 420 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 7: that they've learned just by playing the game and being 421 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 7: on the field, like just small small stuff to give 422 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 7: you a little bit of an edge on a handful 423 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 7: of plays. So yeah, I think experience is the best teacher. 424 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 7: And I'm learning. I'm learning a lot just being just 425 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 7: being on the field, anticipating, anticipating runs and passes a 426 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 7: little bit better going against elite tackles and developing my 427 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 7: pass rush and run moves. Whatever. So yeah, I think 428 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 7: I'm learning, learning and developing a lot just being on 429 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 7: the field. 430 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: You were one of the young dis guys in your 431 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: draft class. You're still only twenty three. Do you feel 432 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: like you're still relatively early in the learning process? Uh? 433 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 434 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 7: That was one of coach Taylor's uh main points coming 435 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 7: off of last season. I'm stilling my the things the 436 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 7: infancy of my career. So it's it's it's okay to 437 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 7: continue to get better. It's rome wasn't built in the day, 438 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 7: regardless of what anyone else says. And here I know 439 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 7: I've gotten a lot better since my rookie year. And 440 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 7: the biggest thing because that is just being able to 441 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 7: being able to anticipate, being able to anticipate plays, knowing 442 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 7: knowing how to watch film, sitting sending the film with 443 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 7: h JM or Jerry, just having him walk me through 444 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 7: things to look for, how to watch film, what to 445 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 7: what to study, how to dissect players, how to dissect 446 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 7: backfield formations, being it, Yeah, just doing things like that 447 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 7: and and and anticipating plays, being able to just play fast. 448 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: He's a hard knows, no nonsense coach. I'm speaking of 449 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: Jerry Montgomery. Has that gelled well with you? 450 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 7: Uh yeah? By to say any coach that believes in you. 451 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 7: But you got to take advantage of it. Because I said, Jail, 452 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 7: he's a very knowledgeable coach. I think, what thirty years 453 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 7: in the business. So but see he's he knows, he 454 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 7: knows what he's doing. Like I said it, experience is 455 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 7: the best teacher. And you do something for thirty years, 456 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 7: you're you're doing something right. So by I said, I'm 457 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 7: putting all my trust in him right now and really 458 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 7: just taking the coach and taking the teaching and really 459 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 7: just applying it to my game right now. 460 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: But also at your position, fairly or unfairly. One stat 461 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: often determines how guys are judged, and that is sacks. 462 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: What do you think you need to do to get more? 463 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: You've got one and a half so far this year. 464 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 7: Man emphasis, defensive emphasis. To stop the run. You can't 465 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 7: you're not gonna be able to rust the pass or 466 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 7: if you're not stopping the runs, that's the that's the 467 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 7: first thing right there where we've just moved, just moved. 468 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 7: Really just move us one to get him in those 469 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 7: second and longs and third downs. Just get him off 470 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 7: schedule so we can animates de passer give more opportunities 471 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 7: to rust the passer. That's that's the that's the main 472 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 7: thing right there. That's the start. 473 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: So in your in your view, obvious passing situations down 474 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: in distance is the real key to being able to 475 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: increase that sack total, just to. 476 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 7: Be able to create more opportunities for yourself. We stopped. 477 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 7: You saw them on first second down, and you put 478 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 7: them in those cing alongs, second alongs. That's you know, 479 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 7: that's that's what creates those opportunities or more opportunities. That's 480 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 7: just a. 481 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: Visiting with Biles Murphy. You've been teammates with one of 482 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: the better sack artists in the NFL now for three 483 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: years and Trey Hendrickson are the things that you pick 484 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: up from him? Or is it easier said than done 485 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: to just say, I play with Trey Hendrickson, therefore I'm 486 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: going to be able to pick up tricks in the 487 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: trade from him. 488 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 7: Nah, you can't just be here. You can't just show 489 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 7: up and say, Okay, I'm gonna evolve into trade now. 490 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 7: You got to really tap in, like you can ask him. 491 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 7: I've I've since I've gotten here, I've been asking him 492 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 7: questions and it's not all just football stuff. How do 493 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 7: you throw your swipe is like what are you doing 494 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 7: when you go home or something like that, like how 495 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 7: do you recover so? And like one of the things. 496 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 7: I'm a pretty good observer. I've observed a lot of 497 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 7: things and people. He is, He and him and Sam 498 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 7: Hubbard when he was here, we're very anal about their schedule, 499 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 7: still are and it's like I can I can show 500 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 7: up to the I can show up to the facility, 501 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 7: and I can expect Trey to be in certain spots 502 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 7: and he's always in certain spots because he is on 503 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 7: top of his schedule. And I've I tried to do 504 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 7: the same thing. I tried to create a schedule and 505 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 7: be on it every single day, especially when it comes 506 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 7: to recovery, because that's the that's the biggest thing. I 507 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 7: didn't really I kind of just did what I was 508 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 7: recommended in college. Now since it's so much just free time, 509 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 7: you can do whatever you want me to go home, 510 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 7: I had to just create a schedule, stick to it, 511 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 7: create a diet, stick to it, and really on it 512 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 7: on film and just use use my use my free time. 513 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: Wisely, Really, you are a smart cerebro guy. I enjoy 514 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: talking to you. I wonder as a past rusher if 515 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: that works against you, are there times where you find 516 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: yourself thinking and maybe you'd be better off just going Yeah. 517 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 7: Early on in my career I admitted that I think 518 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 7: my rookie year and a little bit last year where 519 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 7: I was just thinking overthinking myself of second guests and 520 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 7: on some rushes whether I should go inside or outside 521 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 7: or just power us through the guy. But I think 522 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 7: now I've kind of develop a mindset of pick one 523 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 7: and go commit to it. That's that's the big thing. 524 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 7: That's a big thing. Even Tray said, you got to 525 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 7: just commit to a rush. You can't if you go 526 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 7: into a rush. He says it all the time. 527 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: You go. 528 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 7: If you go into a rust thinking about a counter, 529 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 7: thinking about a if this doesn't work, go to this, 530 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 7: You're probably not gonna win. So it just really just 531 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 7: commit to that one rush that for all you thinking 532 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 7: about or setting up. So that's a big, big teaching 533 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 7: point that I kind of took into this year. 534 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: This defense is filled with guys that had tremendous college careers, 535 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: played on great college teams, and unfortunately, in recent weeks, 536 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: the Bengals defense has struggled. How hard is it when 537 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure, you feel like you've let the offense down, 538 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: and to a certain extent. 539 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 7: It's a tough phone, a swallow for sure. But like 540 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 7: you said, us coming from winning programs, successful successful team, 541 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 7: successful defenses, like we all know, we all know what 542 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 7: it looks like, we all know what it feels like. 543 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 7: Although yes, sure was at the college level. Some of 544 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 7: the guys that were here during that Super Bowl year, 545 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 7: BJ Trey and some of the other guys, like, they 546 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 7: know what it looks like on this level. So those 547 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 7: are the leaders that are stepping up and really just 548 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 7: us taking what we knew from college, what worked in college, 549 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 7: bringing it here kind of just adding onto, adding on 550 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 7: to the things that the Vets did that Super Bowl year, 551 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 7: and just taking coaching and retaining it and continuing to 552 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 7: step forward. That's the main thing. We can't can't step back, 553 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 7: can't let the confidence kind of just wither away. Like 554 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 7: we know, yeah, it's a it's a little bit of 555 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 7: a value right now, but that doesn't mean just the 556 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 7: season's over. So you got to just keep keep stepping forward. Honestly, 557 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 7: it's a. 558 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: Big game this week. You take the Steelers. If you 559 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: can beat them, you'd be three and oh in the division, 560 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: you'd be two and oh. Against them, they would drop 561 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: back to five hundred. What did you learn in the 562 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 2: first meeting about a month ago when you beat them 563 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: by two? 564 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 7: Very very physical team like it. I mean for every 565 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 7: year we play toss a year, tho will be my 566 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 7: sixth time playing them. Every single time. It's a physical game. 567 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 7: That's just AFC football is always physical, especially going against them. 568 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 7: We got to be physical on all three levels, whether 569 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 7: it's oline d lin linebackers and running backs or DB's 570 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 7: and receivers. We have to be physical. Put our hands 571 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 7: on them, stop them early, make them go lateral'. That's 572 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 7: the That's the main thing that's my mindset going into 573 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 7: this game. 574 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: Sounds good to me. Appreciate your time. Best of luck 575 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: this week, Thanks so. 576 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 7: Much, appreciate it. 577 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: Miles Murphy and his defensive teammates will be looking to 578 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: shut down a Pittsburgh offense that's been so so this 579 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: year with forty one year old Aaron Rodgers head quarterback. 580 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is twenty ninth and yards per game and was 581 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: held to ten points last week in a Sunday night 582 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: loss to the Chargers. The Steelers are still in first place, 583 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: in the AFC Norths with a five and four record, 584 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: one game ahead of the Ravens and two games ahead 585 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: of the Bengals, but Pittsburgh has lost three out of 586 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: its last four, beginning with that Thursday night loss in 587 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: Cincinnati about a month ago. The voice of the Steelers, 588 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: Rob King, joined Dave Lapham and me on the Bengals 589 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: Game Plan Show this week and discussed what's gone wrong 590 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 2: after starting the season four and one. 591 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: You know, there were times in the Bengals game early on, 592 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 4: and there were times in the Packers game the following 593 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: game for the Steelers when they were up sixteen to 594 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: seven at the half, when I thought that the Steelers 595 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: might blow the opponent out. There was early on in 596 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: that game I thought, Man, they've got the Bengals on 597 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 4: the ropes. You know, a knockout blow, you know, could 598 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: be delivered here. Perhaps kind of an odd thing to 599 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: say now that you know that. They put up thirty 600 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: three points in that game, But it was the same 601 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: way with the Packers, and then they just really so 602 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what to make of it day and 603 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 4: they really played a poor game in La no doubt 604 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 4: about it. That was the worst game they played all 605 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: year without any questions. You know, there were moments in 606 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: the Bengals game or I thought they were going to 607 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: win in their moments. You know, they were leading the 608 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: Packers game going into the fourth quarter, and it just 609 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: disintegrated in the fourth quarter. So they got to find 610 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: a way to possess the ball for longer, and I 611 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 4: think and give their defense a rest. And I think 612 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: that's got to be the formula they try to follow 613 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 4: against the Bengals. Run the ball, control the clock. They 614 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 4: ran the ball well against the Bengals first game, didn't 615 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: control the clock and ultimately didn't control the outcome. 616 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 8: What about the defensive side of the football. I can 617 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 8: vouch for how difficult that is to play against the 618 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 8: Pittsburgh Steelers because I did it for ten years playing 619 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 8: with the Cincinnati Bengals. And what about this year's edition 620 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 8: of the Pittsburgh Steelers defense football team? 621 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: TERRYL. 622 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 8: Austin is a highly acclaimed defensive coordinator. Are they playing 623 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 8: well for him? 624 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: They have, and there's been moments where they haven't. I mean, 625 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: clearly last week against the Chargers, they didn't look great. 626 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: Fourth quarter, actually the second half against the Packers, they 627 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: didn't look great. They didn't look great against Cincinnati. I 628 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: really think, Dave, I really think more and more that 629 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 4: the biggest issue is that the Steelers are they just 630 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: have too many three and outs on defense. It has 631 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: become much much harder to be the kind of dominating 632 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 4: defense the Steelers were in the seventies. The NFL is 633 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: constantly trying to change rules to favor the offense. Now 634 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: we're seeing more running, you know, more effective running games 635 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 4: over the last couple of years. Prior to that, it 636 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: seemed like it had become a passing lead regardless. You know, 637 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 4: I think the NFL wants scoring, they want action. They 638 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: legislate for that. Teams are built to score points. The 639 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 4: Bengals are built to score points. You're not going to 640 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: hold a lot of teams down if you're out there 641 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: again and again and again. And the Steelers they just, 642 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: you know, they didn't. They were zero for nine on 643 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: third down until they picked up one late in the 644 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: game when the game was already out of hand. You 645 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: can't have that. You can't go oh for nine on 646 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 4: third down. You can't go three and out, three and out, 647 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 4: three and out, three and out, as the Steelers did 648 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 4: at the end of last year. Remember they were ten 649 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: and three last year. They won that great shootout in Cincinnati, 650 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 4: an exciting game, and then they just started going three 651 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 4: and out, and they've been going three and out a 652 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 4: lot lately, and it's just it's very difficult. You're obviously 653 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 4: giving the ball back to the other team, you're not 654 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: scoring points, You're asking a lot of your defense. I 655 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: thought last week against the Chargers, the defense played pretty 656 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 4: well for the most part. They really did. I mean, 657 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 4: you look up and you see twenty five points. I 658 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: just think they began to run out of gas as 659 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 4: the as the game progressed. I think the Steelers, and 660 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 4: that's why I started talking about the running game with Dan. 661 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 4: They need to possess the football. They need get first downs, 662 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: they need to maintain drives, and they need to have 663 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: that defense out less when I think, I think when 664 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 4: the defense is out less, the defense will be much 665 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 4: much better as it was for the four game stretch 666 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 4: prior to the loss in Cincinnati. 667 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: Rob King, the voice of the Steelers, is our guest. 668 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: Looking at the injury report today, Darius Slay, one of 669 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: their starting corners, dealing with the concussion. Alex high Smith 670 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: has a pictorial injury. He didn't practice today. What are 671 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: the biggest injury concerns in your mind going into the 672 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: game and is there anybody that might be coming back 673 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: that we're not aware of. 674 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think the biggest one is isad Ciamalo, who 675 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: didn't play last week. And this Jids had the same 676 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 4: starting line combination for the first eight games of the season. 677 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: They didn't have it in San Diego and Mike tom 678 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 4: Win assessed the guys who backed up, and that's Pete Anders, 679 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: Pete the veteran that left guard, and also Spencer Anderson. 680 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 4: But they really want he regarded them as a butt. 681 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 4: He called him above the line. They're performance is what 682 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 4: they really want to do though, is Simalo is an 683 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 4: excellent player in his own right, made a Pro Bowl. 684 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: But last year, I believe and you know, they want 685 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 4: to be able to use the jumbo package with Spencer Anderson, 686 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: and so they brought the run that sixth offensive lineman 687 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 4: out there along with Darnett Washington, who forget what he's 688 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: listed at. I think he's listened to sixty five. Believe 689 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 4: me when I tell you, when he steps on a scale, 690 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 4: the first number that's gonna pop up is a three. 691 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 4: Believe he is a large, large man, so they you know, 692 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: I think Samalo coming back will be the biggest thing 693 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: for them. Now again, if you're out there defending all 694 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 4: game long. Cole Holcomb has been a fine piece at linebacker. 695 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 4: If you're out there defending as they did in the 696 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: first game, I think they lost the time in possession 697 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 4: by eight and a half minutes. If you're out there 698 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: that long. Again, Yeah, the loss of Cole Holcomb, possibly 699 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 4: Darius Slay, those are going to hurt the team. They 700 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 4: did sign a Sante Samuel to the practice squad. He was, 701 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: as you know, a very well regarded free agent, but 702 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 4: then he needed, you know, a fusion surgery on his neck. 703 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 4: He's been cleared to play, clear to return, so I 704 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 4: don't know whether he'll be activated or whether he needs 705 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 4: to get into football shape. He's a possible guy Dan 706 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 4: that could be coming back for him, But I think 707 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 4: the biggest guy is Ciamalow. But of course, any kind 708 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 4: of you know, if you're playing thirty five minutes on defense, 709 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: any any good solid players for you that either are 710 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 4: good depth pieces or starters who aren't available, that would 711 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 4: be a big ball. 712 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 8: Usually these games come down to line of scrimmage. You 713 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 8: know who who is who is controlling and handling the 714 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 8: temple of the game, the flow of the game. Who's 715 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 8: who's capturing and controlling the line of scrimmage. You mentioned 716 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 8: Ciamalo already, you know, questionable as a player in this 717 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 8: football game. How has the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive and defensive 718 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 8: lines played as of late. Are they doing a pretty 719 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 8: good job of getting after it and controlling the line 720 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 8: of scrimmage or they have an issues? 721 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: I think in particular day, the right side of the 722 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: offensive line has been singled out for praise and Seeamalo. 723 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 4: I think Roderick Jones was viewed as a guy that 724 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 4: was playing pretty well but gave up a couple of 725 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 4: sacks against San Diego and that's a good That's a 726 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 4: very san Diego La La Chargers. Yeah, that is a 727 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 4: very good pass rushing charger. They have a lot of 728 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 4: really good edge guys. The Steelers the first time around 729 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 4: did an outstanding job against Trey Hendrickson. Trey Henderson single 730 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 4: handedly wrecked the game at at Akrasher Stadium last year. 731 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 4: We have three sacks in that game. Yep, he's a dominant, 732 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 4: dominant Fource, so the fact that they kept him off 733 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 4: the board was a positive. I think that we saw 734 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: in the last game Keanu Benton had a sack. He 735 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 4: already has four and a half. When they've got Benton 736 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 4: out there, Hayward obviously, you guys know plenty about Cam 737 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: Hayward and Derek Harmon, the rookie first rounder. I think 738 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 4: that defensive line has been quite good for the Steelers, 739 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 4: and I think it's it's an arrow pointing upward kind 740 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 4: of group. I mean, Cam Hayward continues to defy father time. 741 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 4: But those two young guys, Benton now in his third 742 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 4: year and Harmon in his first year, have solidified the 743 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 4: defensive line that was really an issue last year. Now 744 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 4: having said that, they cannot allow Chase Brown to run wild, 745 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 4: and I know that, you know the last game, Chase 746 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: Brown was held in check and he wasn't the only 747 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 4: reason that they're scoring a bunch of points with Cincinnati. 748 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: But you guys know, if the offense can dictate to 749 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: you what they want to do, if you can't take 750 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 4: something away, you know, it's hard enough to try to 751 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 4: take Higgins or Chase away. You got your hands full there. 752 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 4: But now if the Bengals are running the ball. Two, 753 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 4: you got big problems and we saw that on a 754 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 4: Thursday night when the Steelers came in there. They'd done 755 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 4: a great job stopping to run in the previous three 756 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 4: games prior to that. And then Chase Brown, you know, 757 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 4: runs for one hundred and ten yards or thereabouts against 758 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 4: you and and you know that was a huge factor 759 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 4: to me. So the student, I think the lines have 760 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 4: they've largely been solid, and I think they will need 761 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 4: to be solid with Hendrickson and company. And they've got 762 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 4: to find a way to get more pressure on Joe 763 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 4: Flacco as well. 764 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 2: You probably won't have to deal with Trey Hendrickson. I 765 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 2: think he's doubtful to play this week, So that will 766 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: be a news that will be well received in the 767 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: offensive line room. 768 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 4: Will be yes, that will be huge. And then you know, 769 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 4: again with you guys right, you know a SI, I've 770 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 4: always thought he's a good player. And then you're waiting, 771 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 4: you know, our Miles, Murphy and Stuart ready to make 772 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 4: a name for themselves because they'll have opportunities. It sounds 773 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 4: like all. 774 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 2: Right, thanks to Rob King, And here's a quick invitation 775 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 2: to join Lapp and me for the Bengals pep Rally 776 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 2: show this week will be at the on the Rhine 777 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: eatery the Food Haul on the second floor above the 778 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 2: downtown Kroger on Friday from two thirty to five thirty. 779 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: That's a half hour earlier than usual and our special 780 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 2: guest in the final hour will be Kicker Evan McPherson. 781 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this episode of the 782 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by pay Core, Proud 783 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: to be the Bengals official hr software provider, by Alta Fiber, 784 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 2: future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business 785 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 2: and community to a new level, and by Kettering Health 786 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 2: the best care for the best fans. 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