1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Day one is in the books. Welcome Bird Gang. On 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: today's show, Paul Calvic joins me. Training camp is underway, 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: the first practice is over, and yes, there was a 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: familiar face on the field, one that we did not 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: see all off season. Budda Baker talk plus the rest 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of the news of the day. It's Cardinals Cover two, 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Episode six fifty three, and it starts now. 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Budda Baker? 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: What Heart? What rent? 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: dot com Slash podcasts. 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: He's a ten half of five. He's it again, So 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: more Harry Magic. 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: WHOA, here's Craig Grioloud. 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: So we have taken the show on the road here 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: in Glendale, specifically State Farm Stadium for twenty twenty three 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Training Camp powered by Cox. We have reported 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: for duty, and so has the mustache. Paul CALVISI reporting 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: a training camp. 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: And typically, if I'm not mistaken, Paul isn't the mustache 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: the summer mustache shaved, but here we are. It's still 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: as I say, as the kids like to say, it's rocking. 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: If there was a video element to this, it would 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: have been shaved. Okay, okay, But so I'm really extending 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: as long as I can, trying to minimize the exposure 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: slash embarrassment. Yes, there were some haters on the sideline 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 4: at the first practice, although I did get a double 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 4: thumbs up from Aaron Brewer, so that was good. The 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 4: long snapper extraordinariy said keep it, don't listen to these 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: haters and the nasayers on the sideline. So I'm trying 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: to channel that sort of bot of confidence from the 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 4: Cardinals long snapper, who by the way, is thirty three 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: years old, is expecting a second kid, Aaron Brewer, so 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: congratulations on that. But he already has twelve years in 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: the league. Think about that, and you know his quick story, 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: because this is all about stories. In camp, he said 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: he didn't have an agent, he was undrafted. He got 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: invited from San Diego State to Denver's camp, uninvited long snapper. 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: He said his only goal his first training camp was Hey, 43 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: maybe I'll get to meet Peyton Manning. Twelve years later, 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: he's done real well for himself as an NFL long snapper. 45 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: And looking to be the long snapper once again for 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals here this coming season. So we'll wonder 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: if the if the barbs increase on Thursday when it's 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: the first open practice and the public is allowed to 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: attend and poly Pigskin is walking in the sidelines back 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: and forth, and maybe hears it from the burg gang 51 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: from the stands. Maybe then Friday the stash will be crashed. 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 4: It's too bad that pds are i llegal in the NFL, 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: because that's exactly what my mustache needs. It needs a 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: performance enhancer right now. But I got a late start, Okay. 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 4: The wife came down hard with an edict. She didn't 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: want me to ruin all the summer vacation photos. So 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: I got a late start. And you know that's my excuse, 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: that's my working excuse. Screen all right, So your three letters, 59 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: b Ed, I'll give you three more letters. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: P up. The Cardinals putting three players on the physically 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: unable to Perform list, and really not a surprise with 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: two of them Kyle the Murray zach Ertz both rehabbing 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: ACL injuries, and then the third is rookie outside linebacker 64 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: bj O Jallari, who, according to head coach Jonathan Gannon, 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: tweaked his knee during the pre draft process underwent knee 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: surgery post draft. But we'll be back on the field 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, so that is good news. But Paul, 68 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: we have not seen bj on the field at all, 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: and he was standing, but all we were told is 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: that he tweaked something and we just assumed it was 71 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a hamstring because that was what he was dealing with 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: before the draft. But I am anxious to see number 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: eighteen on the football field because, as we've always discussed 74 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: edge rush that defense, you need someone to step up 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: in that room. And yeah, it's July twenty six. The 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: season doesn't begin until September. But the more snaps, the 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: more reps for a young player. I want to see 78 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: number eighteen on the football field. 79 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: No doubt. The words from Jonathan Annon we quote are 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: they quote cleaned it up a little bit talking about 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 4: knee surgery. All right, you hope you can use the 82 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: word little. Hopefully it isn't a big deal whatsoever. But 83 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: he's behind, he's behind the other guys in the position room. However, 84 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: it's such that. Look, if he comes in with his 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 4: pedigree and his credentials, first team All SEC over the 86 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 4: course of his career, only Will Anderson had more had 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: more quarterback pressures from twenty twenty through twenty two in 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: college football period. So if he can come in and 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 4: show right away that he's capable and he's explosive, there's 90 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: no doubt he'll get in the rotation. Once again, Craig, 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: I'm just going to go with my two word phrase, 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: no allegiances. And as you look out there and you 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: look at the different names and numbers channeling through the 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 4: first and second team, you realize, Okay, guess what. I 95 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 4: think everybody's going to be given a sufficient chance to 96 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 4: prove their value in the NFL. Can they actually be 97 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 4: a difference maker, a playmaker? And even if he gets 98 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: a late start, that's one of those positions. Guess what 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: third long check in, Go get the quarterback. It's not 100 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: like he's running the mic. Just get out there and 101 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: get after the quarterback, especially in obvious passing situations. But yeah, 102 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 4: I was a surprise to hear that he had knee surgery, 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: especially honestly, if you would have given me one guy 104 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 4: to watch coming into the first day of camp. Pgo 105 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: Jalari was right up there, just because we haven't seen 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: him the entirety of the offseason. 107 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: The other rookie on, well, not really PUP, but they 108 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: put Garrett Williams, the rookie out of Syracuse, on the 109 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: non football injury list. He two coming off in ACL injury. 110 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: Why the non football injury versus PUP while he suffered 111 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: the injury in college versus the NFL. That's the difference. 112 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: They're really that's the only uh, the paperwork til that 113 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: actually that the paperwork, and I found that out earlier 114 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. It's just purely paperwork. But they all four 115 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: can come off PUP at any time. It could be tomorrow, 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: next week, whenever. Don't expect to see Kyler Murray off 117 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: PUP anytime soon. Zach Ertz, however, who we heard from 118 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: after first practice, which was closed to the public, so 119 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: all we got to see and report on is the 120 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: first twenty minutes. But Ertz, very confident, said it's not 121 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: unrealistic for him to return week one, which is something 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: that he has maintained since the last time he addressed 123 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: the media after the surgery. He's always put that first 124 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: game against Washington as his goal. Now we just have 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: to wait and see. As he mentioned, he's got another 126 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: test coming up, another hurdle, and then once he clears that, 127 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: then he can practice and then really test out that knee. 128 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: And look, here's another guy eleven years in the league. 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 4: If he knows the playbook, he's plug and play. So okay, 130 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: does he need the entirety of training camp. Absolutely not, 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: So he's on his own schedule. Sounds pretty confident based 132 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: on what he told the media. And we'll see. Now 133 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: they got backup insurance. They got Jeff Swain, who's a 134 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: proven veteran, I mean, comes in at six four two 135 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: sixty fifty seven career starts, So that was good to 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: see him out there. I would guess the way it's 137 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: currently constructed, Jeff Swain would go right up to your 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: number two tight end, right behind Trey McBride, just based 139 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: on the fact that he's been there and done that, 140 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: unlike a lot of other guys in that room. And 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 4: I think it's really an underrated position group in that 142 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: this offense. Everything we hear Craig is going to quote 143 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: live in eleven and twelve and even sometimes thirteen personnel, 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: all right, with who who exactly are going to be 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: those guys? And if Trey McBride as athletic as he is, 146 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: and I'm just reading between the lines right now, as 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: well as he runs, and he does run well, and 148 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: if they're going to use a tight end in different 149 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: ways such as an h at times almost like a 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 4: traditional fullback, I envision that's gonna be a Trey McBride. 151 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: Now you go to some of the other guys in 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: that position room. Former offensive lineman in college Joel Huntingford, right, 153 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: undrafted guy I mean in rundown situations he checks in. 154 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: You have another undrafted guy, Blake Whiteheart, who made some 155 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 4: good catches in practice number one. It is wide open 156 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: to me. Bernhard's psychowitz and he has been stauted. He's 157 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: such a massive dude. So in Noah Tangi I from Philadelphia, 158 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: really knows the system, has proven himself before to this 159 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: coaching staff. So that is definitely one position group where 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: I think there is still a lot to be decided, 161 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: and it's as fierce a competition in that room as any. 162 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: The Sway move is intriguing because if you just look 163 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: at what he did a year ago in Tennessee and 164 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: again reunited with GM Monnie Austin Ford. He spent the 165 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: past three seasons with the Titans. Talking about Swam. He 166 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: played all seventeen games, started thirteen, but Paul only finished 167 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: with twelve catches, was only targeted sixteen times. And that 168 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: tells me one thing. He's not in there to catch 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the ball. He's in there to block. And if you 170 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: are comfortable with zach Ertz and Trey McBride with their 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: pass catching ability, then you need a tight end that 172 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: can block. And as Gannon said on Wednesday, Swam quote 173 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: can move people at the point of a tech end quote, 174 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: And that is exactly what is missing in that tight 175 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: end room. 176 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 4: So it's just for the reason to believe Cole McCoy, 177 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: James Connor, DJ Humphreys, Will Hernandez at least a half 178 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 4: dozen different offensive players through the entirety of the offseason 179 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 4: who said everybody, now, we're gonna run the ball a lot. 180 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 4: More So, what really drives opposing head coaches nuts, it's 181 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 4: the unknown. When you get a new head coach, a 182 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: new coordinator, what's it gonna look like, What sort of 183 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 4: identity is that team gonna have? Remember just I mean 184 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: the state of the Lions for the debut of Cliff 185 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Kingsbury and that whole culturing staff Matt Patricia and now 186 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 4: let's just say uneasy and how much anxiety they add 187 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: about what's coming exactly. What are the Cardinals going to 188 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 4: sort of like, you go into this week one game 189 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 4: against Washington, what's that offense gonna look like with Eric 190 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: b Enemy running it and Jacoby Brissett maybe QB one 191 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 4: by the time they're done. Well, same thing for the Cardinals. 192 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 4: All right, Drew Petsing, first time offensive coordinator, never call 193 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 4: plays before. So how do you get a beat on 194 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: what the Cardinals are gonna do? All you can do 195 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 4: is believe what you're being told and what you see 196 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: in moves. Like Jeff Swain, this team is going to 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 4: emphasize the run game a lot more than we saw 198 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: in the previous. 199 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: Era and history of Drew Petsing. Remember what Kyle v 200 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: Anenbasch told us on the Red Sea Report, or KVB 201 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: came up with his own little stats, his own little 202 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: nuggets about twelve and thirteen personnel. Again quoting Kyle Vannenbosch. Here, 203 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm writing this down Browns top five and twelve personnel 204 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. They've been number one in thirteen 205 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: personnel over the last three years. The Eagles number one 206 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: in twelve personnel in twenty twenty two. So not only 207 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: is your head coach familiar with that second tight end, 208 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: but Drew Petsing as well. Two different teams. But what 209 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: is their background? And again until we see it live 210 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: and up close, and we'll begin to see that and 211 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: be able to talk about that more in depth during 212 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: the first open practice on Thursday. Even then, though, do 213 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: things change between July, late July and early September. But again, 214 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: what are we being told? What do we see and 215 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: what is the background of this coaching staff? 216 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 4: All I know is four tight ends minimum? Are making 217 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: the final fifty three? Just mark it down based on that. 218 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: I think you're gonna have to account for at least 219 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: four tight ends and then go ahead and calculate your 220 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: numbers from there, especially if zach Ertz is ready to 221 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 4: go Week one at Washington. But that's really interesting. It's 222 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: gonna look a lot different. Cole McCoy talked about with 223 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 4: Dave Passion on the pash Pot. They're gonna huddle up, 224 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 4: They're gonna be under center. There's even the quarterbacks are 225 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 4: are being asked to do different things with different footwork. 226 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: It's gonna be radically different. They're not gonna live in 227 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: the gun. 228 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: I mean. 229 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: Zach Ertz himself said to Wolf on his radio show 230 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 4: Late Late going in in the mandatory mini camp, asked 231 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: how different is this offense gonna look versus Cliff Kingsbury, 232 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: and zach Ertz's response was, quote, it couldn't look any 233 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: more different. So these are all little indicators as to 234 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 4: what's to come. Now as for these preseason games, how 235 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: much are we gonna see? Obviously you'll get a sense 236 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: of the identity and some of the basic sets. But 237 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: there's no doubt that this staff, like most staffs in 238 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: the NFL, will keep it pretty vanilla. 239 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: As we talk Cardinals training camp powered by Cox here 240 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: from State Farm Stadium again, Day one, practice number one 241 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: in the books, and we've gone what ten to fifteen 242 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: minutes and really haven't even touched on what is the 243 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote big news item of the day, and that is, 244 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: as head coach Jonathan Gannon said before practice, Budda Baker 245 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: not only here but on the practice field We both 246 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: saw it, Paul smiling, joking with his teammates. It looked 247 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: like nothing had transpired from the offseason. All the noise 248 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: or reported trade request, seeking a reported restructure of a contract, 249 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: perhaps guaranteed money on the two years left on his deal. 250 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: He has zero dollars guaranteed on the rest of his contract. 251 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: But Baker's here. We've yet to hear from him, but 252 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: he's here on the field. To me, the story is done. 253 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 4: I guess. I don't know in terms of the football 254 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: side of a yes, the business side of it, I 255 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: think we'll find out. But it's much better than they 256 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: could have been. Could have been Chris Jones not showing 257 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: up to Kansas City camp, Zach Martin not in Dallas camp, 258 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: Nick Bosa not with the forty nine ers to start cap. 259 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 4: These are all open all pro players as well, who've 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 4: decided to stay away from their team's practice facilities. That's 261 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: not the case was with Buddha. We saw him out there, 262 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: and Okay, what does that mean? Does this continue while 263 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 4: they continue to have conversations. We presume they're still having conversations. 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: You don't know. Ultimately, Here's what we do know is 265 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: he's most definitely part of the solution. He's not part 266 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: of the problem. He is one of those guys who's 267 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: going to set the tone with this sort of culture. 268 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: He had this sort of culture before this coaching staff 269 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: even showed up. So it's a perfect fit. It's a 270 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: perfect match. And guess what, he's desperately needed on that 271 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: side of the ball. A few times we've seen the 272 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: Cardinals play without Buddha Baker, you realized his importance. It's 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 4: not unlike if you want to, you know, if Darren 274 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: was here and we could talk a little basketball. But 275 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: it's sort of like to me, when Steve Nash won 276 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: his two MVPs with the Sons, he clinched it when 277 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 4: he missed a week because the team just looked just looked, 278 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: i mean, apoplectic without out there MVP Steve Nash. And 279 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: so we've seen too much evidence. You know, well, you 280 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: can count on one hand how many times Buddha Baker 281 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: has missed games during the course of his career. But 282 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 4: when he has there's been a striking difference. Oh, you 283 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: were there, front and center, Carolina, Carolina. 284 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the game that immediately comes to mind, 285 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, number three is not in 286 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: the field, and like, okay, that's fine. You still got 287 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: ten of the guys that are starting, and you know 288 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: you're good, and all of a sudden, just I don't 289 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: know what your advantage point from the sidelines, but just 290 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: watching it from afar, it just looked one point eighty 291 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: from what we were used to and everyone pointed to 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker not being on the field. 293 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: I think that was the COVID here. It was week four. 294 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: I think it was twenty twenty. It was at Carolina. 295 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 4: They allowed in like fifteen hundred fans. We were relegated 296 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: to the visiting radio booth, one of those deals where 297 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: you could hear everything on the sidelines because the whole 298 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: stadium was empty and it was a state of disarray. 299 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: And that's being kind without Buddha Baker. So guess what, 300 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: everyone knows the importance. I think we saw it with 301 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: the beginning a camp. He wants to be an Arizona Cardinal. 302 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: He wants to be in camp. You know, I'm noticing 303 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 4: that there's a trend here. A lot of the guys 304 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: who've been brought in truly love football. It's not just 305 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: their job. It's their passion. We talked to Keith troll Clark, 306 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 4: He's gonna be on the Big Red Rage this week, 307 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: whether it's an Owen Papo who was also drafted in 308 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: Day three. I had someone on the sideline tell me 309 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: gree that there were a couple of people in the 310 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: Cardinals facility every single day of the offseason. One was 311 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. There are a couple other guys rehabbing from injuries, 312 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 4: but Owen Papo was the other one. He was there 313 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: every single day. And so these are the kind of 314 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: guys that they've identified. And if you can bring those 315 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: sort of players in and they're just not punching the 316 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: clock and going through the motions, it does set a 317 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 4: tone and it does hold everyone else accountable. When players 318 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: are putting in that sort of effort and there's this 319 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 4: sort of competition, you feel compelled to do the same. 320 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: And I know it was a talking point leading up 321 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: to the start of training camp. Budda Baker shows up 322 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: to miny camp, but he doesn't participate, but it's mandatory 323 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: that you show up. He did not on the field, 324 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: but on the sideline watching his teammates. Didn't have to 325 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: be outside. Could have been inside doing whatever, but he 326 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: was watching and then okay, he's going to report to 327 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: training camp because you can't afford not to based on 328 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: the fifty thousand dollars fine per day that you can't 329 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: get back even after everything gets worked out. He's going 330 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: to report. And the question was, okay, you report, then 331 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: what do you do? Do you hold in? Uh, you know, 332 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: my hamstring, my foot whatever. But that's not Buddha Baker. 333 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: That's not who we've seen, that's not who we've gotten 334 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: to know. Can he watch his teammates participate in the 335 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: sport that he loves, the passion that he has. That's why, 336 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: to me today is not a surprise. I didn't think 337 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Buddha had it in him to sit and watch from 338 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: the sidelines. 339 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: Well, you had a better sense of it than me. 340 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: I went on the record on Cardinals Underground. I fully 341 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 4: expected him to do exactly what he did during mandatory 342 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 4: mini camp for the start of training camp. Be in attendance, 343 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: not be on the field, not until the business side 344 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 4: of things were settled. So I stand corrected. He was 345 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: out there. Okay, but we'll see exactly where this is tracking. 346 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: Maybe there's an understanding and maybe you know what is 347 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: the deadline? Is there a deadline? Is the first deadline 348 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: when you get to the preseason games? Is it the 349 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 4: end of camp? Is it week one? Is it later 350 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 4: this year? Remember he's twenty seventy's in his prime. He 351 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 4: has two years left on his contract. So when you 352 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 4: say it's a process, because it's always a process contract negotiations, 353 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 4: what exactly is the timeline? No one's sharing his much 354 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 4: and the fact that he's out there on the field. 355 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: I tend to believe that it's not as urgent as 356 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 4: maybe has been represented by some media members, that it's 357 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 4: not exactly a front burner issue, that it can be 358 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: resolved down the line. 359 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: The understanding is we can't do anything now. Again, two 360 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: years left on your deal. Precedent, Yes, we know who 361 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: you are. Yes, exceptions can be made first time general manager, 362 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Let's talk next offseason. See where we 363 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: are with one year left on your deal, which is 364 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: where this typically happens more times than not. Two years 365 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: on your deal left. That's where things kind of get 366 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: a little dicey. 367 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: And I get the precedent thing to a degree. Let's 368 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: just say the Cardinals renegotiating is deal immediately. Oh look, 369 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: here's a tweet. Buddhabaker has new money. He's got a 370 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 4: new deal, etc. New guarantees. You can plausibly look at 371 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: the locker room and tell them, Okay, make a couple 372 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: all pro teams and we'll talk. 373 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: BUDDA. 374 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: Baker is such the exceptional player that I think he's 375 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: an exception to the rule. So I think you could 376 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 4: swing that in that he's so he's so far above 377 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 4: and beyond most players in the league that you could 378 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 4: justify that without setting a precedent that you would regret 379 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 4: going forward. 380 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: My argument to that, though, is, yeah, you and I 381 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: think that the player's agent r A DJ Humphreys, a 382 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, who are going to be in this exact 383 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: same situation next off season, two years left on their deal, 384 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: zero guaranteed money, and the player the agent. 385 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: You know, Here's what we don't know, though, how often 386 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: does that already happen? Because I remember Rod Graves when 387 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: he retired from the Cardinals, and Steve Kaim came in 388 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 4: and we had an interview with Rod Graves on his 389 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 4: way out, and he shared with us a couple of 390 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 4: things that you know, Okay, now that his GM post 391 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: is behind him. He said, you guys would not believe 392 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: how often agent's call to try and renegotiate existing deals. 393 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 4: So to what degree is everyone looking to redo their 394 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: deal as it currently stands. I don't know, but look 395 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: he's out there. You hope he's gonna be this same 396 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 4: Buddha Baker. It looks like it, It sounded like it. 397 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 4: So early indicators are yes. 398 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: And let's go back to something that you have referenced 399 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot when you talk about Buddha Baker and how 400 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: important today is this training camp? An interview that Buddha 401 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: Baker had back on February fourth with NFL dot Com, 402 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: he pointed to training camp a year ago, the downfall 403 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. Quote, we didn't really have a 404 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of players practicing and doing a lot. He added, 405 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we were as prepared in the beginning 406 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: of when it all started than what it could have 407 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: been end quote. And you say that in February and 408 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: now here we are in July. Lead by example, and 409 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: I think Buddha Baker is doing that. Is he happy? 410 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Probably not, But this is the sport, this is his profession, 411 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: this is what he loves to do, and I think 412 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: maybe there is more of an understanding between team and player. Look, 413 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: let's revisit this in a year's time. We can't do 414 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: it right now. Yeah, we love you, we want you around, 415 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: We want you to stay in Arizona Cardinal for your career. 416 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: That number three, Buddha Baker is going to be a 417 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: part of the Ring of honor here at State Farm Stadium. 418 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: Let's push this conversation to the offseason in twenty twenty four. 419 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 4: But you're right, if he's going to live up to 420 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: those comments that he made after the twenty twenty two 421 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: season that the downslide started with training camp, then how 422 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 4: does he feasibly hold out a training camp in the 423 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 4: next year, especially when it's so critical to set the tone, 424 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: set the culture, brand new staff, brand new defense. So yes, 425 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 4: I think that death only plays into it. And I 426 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 4: think he was one hundred percent correct. Cardinals came out 427 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 4: of last year's training camp was just a different mentality. 428 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 4: It was okay the year before. Guess what. We started 429 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 4: seven to ZH, ten to two, and then we faded 430 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 4: down the stretch. We doubled a lot of injuries, but 431 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: how many of those injuries were an accumulation of too 432 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: many reps, too much hitting, too much physicality. Guess what, 433 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: the team that won the Super Bowl that year, and 434 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 4: a lot of people's opinions, was just the most healthy 435 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 4: team at the very end, the LA rams we need 436 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: to be that team. We need to be healthy. So 437 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: we're just gonna go ahead and we're gonna run a 438 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: camp as we see fit. Problem was, by the time 439 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: you got out of camp, there weren't a lot of reps, 440 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot of urgency, there wasn't a lot 441 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 4: of physicality. And you took on a Kansas City team 442 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 4: that would be the eventual Super Bowl champion, and guys 443 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 4: like Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and company played quite 444 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 4: a bit in those three preseason games and it showed 445 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: they were regular season ready. In the Arizona Cardinals were not. 446 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: So that's not the case this year, I don't think 447 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: for a couple of reasons. One, you don't want to 448 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: set that sort of tone. But number two, you have 449 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: to run a more strenuous camp because you have so 450 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 4: many more roster decisions to figure out. You have new 451 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 4: talent evaluators, new decision makers. They gonna see these guys 452 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 4: playing football, not just going through walk throughs, and you know, 453 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 4: shorts and helmets, you can't have that. So for that reason, 454 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 4: are there gonna be down periods of camp? There's no 455 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 4: question about it. But as Jonathan Gannon hinted, they're gonna 456 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 4: be ratcheting and ramping up not just for these preseason games, 457 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: but for those joint practices against the Vikings in Minnesota, 458 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 4: to the point where JAG even said that we're going 459 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 4: to get them out in the heat at some point. Hello, 460 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 4: because this is the twenty seventh consecutive day of one 461 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 4: ten plus here in the Phoenix metro area. So let's 462 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: hope we get some monsoons between now and when the Cardinals, 463 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: according to the head coach, are gonna be heading outside 464 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: for some practice time. 465 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Well, how about this from the head coach quote, we'll 466 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: be physical this training camp. And then I believe it 467 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: was your follow up because we've all been conditioned to this. Now, 468 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: the physicality of training camp what everyone wants to know. 469 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: In fact, it's just one singular person that is our colleague, 470 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: our good friend Ron Woofully. Fighting. Well, according to JG 471 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: fighting is quote non negotiable, and he explained because you 472 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: fight in a game, you're kicked out, you hurt the team. 473 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: And what is this message from day one? Team first, 474 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: individual second? So I'm sorry Wolf and everyone else. There 475 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: might be pushing and shoving, but there's not going to 476 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: be any fisticuffs if you will. 477 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: And so winning behavior is what it falls under. That's 478 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: what he calls it. But it's interesting because Robert Sala 479 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: was just asked a couple of days ago they had 480 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 4: a couple of skirmish's breakout of Jets camp, and his 481 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 4: explanation was, well, it's tolerated to a certain degree. Guys 482 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: get irritable, Guys are competing for jobs. He said, you 483 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 4: know my stipulation, My policy is no punch is thrown 484 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: because the moment you throw a punch, the official throws 485 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 4: a flag. Okay, And so he explained it below the neck, 486 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: above the waist. He says he has seven kids, and 487 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 4: he said that's what he tells his kids. You guys 488 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: want to wrestle around below the neck, above the waist. 489 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: You want to jostle and throw each other around that okay. 490 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 4: So every coach is a little bit different, but at 491 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: some point, at some point, we're going to get a fight, 492 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: so especially when Mark keep your eyes seventy eight. Marquise Hayes. 493 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: The dude was a walking instigator last year. We'll see 494 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 4: how it goes this time around. 495 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez as well. You don't want to miss with 496 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: the refrigerator as well. A couple of other items that 497 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: need to be discussed here. On day one, as we 498 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: saw the entire offseason, Zavian Collins still working with the 499 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: outside linebackers. What we did not see in the off 500 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: season ots in mini camp, but we did see on 501 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: practice number one defensive line big question Mark Rashard Lawrence 502 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Jonathan ledbetter both in uniform and participating in drills during 503 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: the open portion of practice. I think that's huge. But yeah, 504 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: everyone's gonna follow. Where is number twenty five? Well, I 505 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: was looking and he's over there with Rob Rodriguez, Nick 506 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: Rowlas the DC watchful eye and continuing to develop his technique, 507 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: work on his technique and be a part of that 508 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: edge rush group. 509 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 4: I was gonna ask Jonathan gann in a question, what 510 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 4: are you most curious to find out by the end 511 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 4: of camp? But I Wilton, in the face of the pressure, 512 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: I figured out, Uh, maybe I'll say this to Liliber later. 513 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 4: I wasn't confident he was really going to answer it, 514 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 4: so I didn't want to waste the question. If you 515 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 4: ask me what I'm most curious to find out in 516 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: terms of this roster construction, what half does in defensive 517 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: lineman do you end up with? Do you have a 518 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: first round pick like LJ. Collier who flamed out in Seattle. 519 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 4: Do you have a Carlos Watkins who was productive in Dallas, 520 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: but they are loaded along the defensive front with the Cowboys, 521 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 4: so he's now with the Cardinals. Is it a Dante 522 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 4: Stills who looked really good as a six round rookie 523 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: out of West Virginia, was really disruptive in the offseason. 524 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 4: Now I know, no full pads, no full contact football, 525 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 4: you don't know, but just going through the drills, I 526 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 4: can tell you a lot of the talent evaluators in 527 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 4: that sideline are intrigued by Dante Still as a rookie 528 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 4: out of West Virginia. And then you had guys who 529 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: flashed last year. Jonathan Ledbetter had some really good games 530 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: where we called his name quite a bit. And then 531 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 4: you have the twenty twenty fourth round picks. Rashard Lawrence 532 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 4: and Lecky Fotu. These are two guys who I think 533 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 4: are on the crosshairs. If they're not considerably better than 534 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: some of these other guys then and you're not confident 535 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: you're going to resign them in the off season, then 536 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: I think you would opt for someone who's part of 537 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: the future versus someone's just gonna play out the year. 538 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, I did that whole twenty twenty draft classes. 539 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: Intriguing to me. Josh Jones, you know, even Isaiah Simmons, 540 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: what's his role? How does he fit? But this defensive 541 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: line room, wow, I mean there is a lot to 542 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: be determined there. And I think as soon as you 543 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: get into pads on July thirty, first those old line 544 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 4: d line drills, those are going to be scrutinized by 545 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 4: the coaches, and then when you go into games, there's 546 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 4: gonna be a lot riding on these preseason performances. 547 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: And look at number sixty, the undrafted free agent out 548 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: of Michigan State, Jacob Slade. Why do I point to 549 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent, Well, he received a contract that 550 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: included two hundred thousand dollars in guaranteed money. It shows 551 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: you how much. The Cardinals wanted him, maybe some other 552 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: other teams wanted him, but that was more money than 553 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: eighteen free agents or other players' new additions to the team. 554 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: Not a lot of guaranteed money handed out this offseason, 555 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: and when you're giving it to an undrafted free agent 556 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: that speaks volumes. 557 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 4: Look, he lost DeAndre Hopkins. You can replace that. I'm 558 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 4: confident the Cardinals aren't gonna be hurting in the receiver room, 559 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: but in the defensive lineman room minus JJ Watt and 560 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 4: Zach Allen, that's the biggest question mark for me right here, 561 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 4: right now. Next Gen Stats put out a number the 562 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 4: other day and it was in regard to Chris Jones 563 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 4: holding out wanting Aaron Donald money. Aaron Donald was number 564 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 4: one last season in quickest get off, most explosive get 565 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: off in a d lineman. I don't know how they 566 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 4: calculate these things. It was like point eight three was 567 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: his get off. Chris Jones was number two. You know 568 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: who is number three, Jj Watt. You know who's number five, 569 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: Zach Allen. So the two guys who walked out the door, 570 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 4: one retired, one got big money Zach Allen to rejoin 571 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: Vance Joseph in Denver. They were two of the more 572 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 4: explosive defensive linemen in the league. So there's a lot 573 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: to replace right there. There really is. Who's gonna be 574 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 4: that guy, Who's gonna be that group of guys? And 575 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: then if the answer isn't on the current roster, I 576 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 4: would not be shocked if you saw a defensive lineman 577 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 4: or two show up at the end of August via 578 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 4: waiver claim. 579 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: And they'll have time to take advantage of that opportunity. 580 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: As Cardinals training camp Power by Cox continue Wednesday, just 581 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: day one, Thursday, the first open practice. There are eleven 582 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: open practices here during this training camp period. Again, parking 583 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: admission all free digital tickets are required at Azycardinals dot 584 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: com for more information, and of course we'll have it 585 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: all for you right here Asycardinals dot Com both online 586 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: via podcast as well. Paul appreciated very much again just 587 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: getting started. But I think you know, we're like right 588 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: there ready for the preseason. We're ready for the regular season. 589 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: I'd like to think I'm regular season ready. I'm definitely 590 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 4: not just trying to knock off some of the ruster, 591 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 4: just trying to learn some of the numbers. By the 592 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 4: time we get these preseason games going, Wow, there are 593 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 4: a lot of new names and faces and numbers. Wasn't 594 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 4: a Kaisier White When he met the media in the 595 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 4: off season, he said, there's so many new names of faces, 596 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 4: he wasn't even close to learning them all. Everybody was 597 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: just known as my man, my man, right, you see it? Well, 598 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: you can't get away with that in the media now, 599 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: can w If only we could, but we can't. 600 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: You are my man, though, even though you are still 601 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: rocking that mustache as well. 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