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Speaker 1: me James and I'm joined by Mia.
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Speaker 3: Not the best, but you know, we're hanging in there.
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Speaker 1: Overcoming the surly bonds of Earth, the types of face
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Speaker 2: That's what Elon Musk does every day. Of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when we're doing this with the power of cough medicine,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not the kind of cough medicine that you
Speaker 1: can only buy so much of. Okay, So we're here today,
Speaker 1: how by cough medicine to discuss the United Nations into
Speaker 1: reinforce in Lebanon. Of course, thing that we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about before, but the lots of people are talking about
Speaker 1: on the internet, and I wanted to like just clear
Speaker 1: up what I think is some misunderstandings or like just
Speaker 1: a lack of background, sort of explain what they do,
Speaker 1: Explain who it is composed of, a little bit of
Speaker 1: history and sort of its role here. As Israel begins
Speaker 1: attacking Lebanon as it did Gaza, right, and as it
Speaker 1: has continued to attack the West Bank as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as as we're going to get to the
Speaker 3: end of this episode, they started making a small push
Speaker 3: into Syria. So great things happening here. Well we'll get
Speaker 3: to that the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once again employing an entirely proprietary understanding of borders
Speaker 1: and where they are and how they work.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're actually the no borders state, you know, like
Speaker 2: and listen.
Speaker 3: My opposition to the Sykes Pcobe borders is is well known,
Speaker 3: but not like this.
Speaker 2: Not like.
Speaker 1: In event diagram the overlap of people who disagree with
Speaker 1: Sykes pecod. It's mir Wong the Kurdistant Workers Party in Israel,
Speaker 1: but it's very small and they disagree with it for
Speaker 1: very different reasons at Isis too.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, you're really in good company. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember back and back in like twenty fourteen, So
Speaker 3: this one's for there's there are a bunch of kids
Speaker 3: who listen to this show, and by kids, I mean
Speaker 3: people who weren't like twenty seven, who don't remember the
Speaker 3: fact that you could just argue with Isis people on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, twenty fifteen and like they had a really
Speaker 3: good PR operation. Oh incredible. Yeah, And one of the
Speaker 3: arguments he would make was like, well, yeah, we're trying
Speaker 3: to destroy the imperialists.
Speaker 2: Like it's like snow boarders. We're like, well, okay.
Speaker 3: Well, like you're doing this by establishing ISIS.
Speaker 1: It's like really, yeah, that was a wild time when
Speaker 1: you could argue them, Like you can still argue with
Speaker 1: like an asadist occasionally on Twitter or like.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, but like this wasn't even just like people
Speaker 3: who support them.
Speaker 2: This was like actual isis PR guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they were. That was the whole job was
Speaker 1: to argue with you. Yeah, there are some pretty good
Speaker 1: articles from back in that time period about that if
Speaker 1: you're too young to remember that. But yeah, So we're
Speaker 1: talking about UNIFIL today, where the United Nations in termforcing lemanon.
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about them? Because the IDF has
Speaker 1: spent the last week or so edging on just openly
Speaker 1: attacking them, and it has more or less openly attacked them,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't done so in like a complete way.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll talk a little bit now about some
Speaker 1: of the things which have happened because I think we
Speaker 1: should probably start there, and then what'll explain who uniform are,
Speaker 1: what they.
Speaker 2: Do, whether they're etcetera. A little bit of history.
Speaker 1: So UNIPHIL has called the situation with the idea of
Speaker 1: extremely serious and a flagrant violation of international law, a
Speaker 1: phrase which is used every time Israel does anything, because
Speaker 1: it's true and then nothing happens, and then nothing happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I think where we're going to end up today,
Speaker 1: is that like it's good that they are there, right,
Speaker 1: Like just a big picture. This what Israel has done
Speaker 1: in Lebanon, in Gaza and in the West Bank is
Speaker 1: it has attacked anyone who is any form of outside observer, right,
Speaker 1: it has killed aid workers, It has killed journalists, and
Speaker 1: it has shot artillery realms at peacekeepers, injured peacekeepers in Lebanon. Right,
Speaker 1: one who can provide any form of independent oversight, who
Speaker 1: can provide any form of accountability for what they're doing,
Speaker 1: is in danger.
Speaker 2: And this is more or less.
Speaker 1: I mean, Russia does this a little bit too, right,
Speaker 1: But like among like I don't know what we're supposed
Speaker 1: to understand. It's relative democracy, but like this war seems
Speaker 1: to be pretty unpopular even there and then Yahoo really
Speaker 1: isn't he's taken a Trump approach to democracy. Let's say,
Speaker 1: Israel seemingly murdering journalists as part of his policy as
Speaker 1: a goal of its invasion of Gaza is pretty unique,
Speaker 1: even by the standards of like other Western militaries who
Speaker 1: have done some pretty terrible things in the Middle East
Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. So some of the things
Speaker 1: they've done in recent days, it's fired smoke grounds about
Speaker 1: one hundred meters from their compounds, causing UNIFIL peacekeepers to
Speaker 1: have to done their gas masks. Fifteen of them were injured.
Speaker 1: They have like skin irritation for whatever the munition was.
Speaker 1: I don't quite know what it was. I guess I
Speaker 1: think expired smokes can do that, and tear gases. Tear
Speaker 1: gas can do that. You're not supposed to use tear gas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a war crime. Yeah, that's a war crime. It's
Speaker 1: a war kind that lots of people do. To be fair, like,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be the first one I'd seen. But then again, right,
Speaker 1: like these are people, are they signature's to a genity
Speaker 1: of convention? Actually, I don't know that's a good they are.
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck does it really matter that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: have a look, I'm interested to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually have ratified Theydia of Convention, which I
Speaker 3: guess makes them mildly more big international law bound.
Speaker 1: In the US. The ultimate rogue state, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's really it's pretty much a rogue state
Speaker 1: at this point, right, Like that I think is oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the sort of the frame of analysisue which they should
Speaker 1: be understood. A rogue state doing violence set alone, is
Speaker 1: wherever the fuck it wants with your taxpayer money, because
Speaker 1: apparently there's nothing it can do which will cause it
Speaker 1: to have one centimeter of accountability from the US.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other things they've been getting up to.
Speaker 1: They've knocked down compound walls of the UNIFIL compounds. Can
Speaker 1: we explain what uniform is, by the way, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: So the UNIFIL is the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: It's tasked with peacekeeping, monitoring the withdrawal of the IDF.
Speaker 1: So in theory, the IDEAF as we'll get into, has
Speaker 1: invaded Lebanon many times in theory since two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: which was the last time it's sort of invaded Lebanon On.
Speaker 1: Like it's invaded Lebanon on a very small scale the
Speaker 1: hundreds of times, right, like, for instance, stepping across the border,
Speaker 1: which the border is not entirely agreed upon by its Lebanon,
Speaker 1: but the United Nations has imposed something called a blue line,
Speaker 1: which is what it considers to be the border. It's
Speaker 1: Raeli troops will go across that to trim trees a
Speaker 1: lot so they can like spy more effectively. Right, they
Speaker 1: literally have towers and cameras and stuff. But in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, people who are old like myself were members.
Speaker 1: Last time it did a sort of full scale evasion
Speaker 1: of Lebanon, and on its withdrawal.
Speaker 2: I'll just go through the history of uniform now. We
Speaker 2: can about the attack later, I guess.
Speaker 1: So they're supposed to keep the IDF and Husbulla in
Speaker 1: theory out of an area between the Latani River and
Speaker 1: the blue line. The blue line is where the UN
Speaker 1: through the border in two thousand and The idea is
Speaker 1: that the border was drawn there by the UN to
Speaker 1: determine if Israel had withdrawn from Lebanon. That doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean that all parties accepted it's the border they don't,
Speaker 1: but it is the blue line for now. The UNIFL
Speaker 1: have been in Lebanon since nineteen seventy eight. That was
Speaker 1: one of the times when israelvated Lebanon.
Speaker 2: At that point they were looking for the PO.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the PLO had crossed over from Lebanon
Speaker 1: to attack and massacre people in Israel. Right at which
Speaker 1: point Israel then decided to just go hog and in
Speaker 1: fully invade Lebanon seventy eight and invaded again in eighty
Speaker 1: two while UNIFIL we was there, and it sort of
Speaker 1: bypassed uniform position to that point. And it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that people didn't die in these invasions uniform troops of peacekeepers,
Speaker 1: because they did, right, Like it's a dangerous place to be.
Speaker 3: Also, like eighty two is like the saber Chatila massacre,
Speaker 3: Like yes, like I was just like hideous Israeli massacres
Speaker 3: of refugee camps, which the kind of thing that like
Speaker 3: used to cause more anger in the US that it
Speaker 3: did now Like yeah.
Speaker 1: Now it's another day that ends in why right, you
Speaker 1: know the bomba hospital again. It's a year of bombing
Speaker 1: hospitals now and it doesn't seem to register anymore, doesn't
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 2: Make the headlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in eighty two Israel bomb compound and it took
Speaker 1: Israel until the year two thousand to quote unquote withdraw
Speaker 1: from Lebanon. And at that point that was when the
Speaker 1: blue line was drawn. Right during that time, before two thousand,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the IDF that was operating in the area.
Speaker 1: You also had the South Lebanese Army. I don't like
Speaker 1: the division of groups in this part of the world
Speaker 1: exclusively along religious lines, because I think that doesn't entirely
Speaker 1: explain things always and I think it's it's like a
Speaker 1: very analyst brain way of seeing things, like to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are the sites, and they do this, the sort
Speaker 1: of sunnies and they do this. But the SLA is
Speaker 1: a majority Christian organization and like it began as its
Speaker 1: own independent thing in the in the Civil War Lebanon,
Speaker 1: but it became more or lesson it's really proxy, right,
Speaker 1: it's certainly in this area, and the UN caused them.
Speaker 1: It's Raeli de facto forces, which is kind of a
Speaker 1: bold move from the UN. Actually, Like yeah, to just
Speaker 1: say it. Of course, saying it and doing it is
Speaker 1: another thing. But like during the time from eighty two
Speaker 1: to two thousand. It's revvated multiple times, right, including in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six when just in the year of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six it's rail fired on uniform peacekeepers.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and seventy times.
Speaker 1: So like, I think that's like every weekday for the
Speaker 1: entire year. To put things in perspective, you know, like
Speaker 1: if they took weekends off, they fired on them every weekday,
Speaker 1: including shelling a uniform compound. After the withdrawal in two
Speaker 1: thousand withdrew UNIFILM stasts of peacekeeping monitoring the withdrawal and
Speaker 1: assisting the Lebanese government in restoring it for authority in
Speaker 1: the area, and a UN mandate seventeen oh one two
Speaker 1: thousand and six is relevated again and eventually it's sort
Speaker 1: of ground to a stand still that time, ground to
Speaker 1: stand on top of a massive pile of civilian bodies,
Speaker 1: as it tends to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They bom Beirut in two thousand and six. I remember
Speaker 1: that I was I was traveling in the Middle East
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. I remember just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is it's I one thing to watch war on
Speaker 1: TV when you're at home, but when you're that little
Speaker 1: bit closer, and it's people who are like, my cousin
Speaker 1: is there, my brother is there. A good school friend
Speaker 1: of mine was within Beiru.
Speaker 2: I remember like.
Speaker 1: It was one of my earlier experiences of just being
Speaker 1: like this is horrific, and there's nothing we can do,
Speaker 1: Like no one seems to care, no one's going to
Speaker 1: stop them, and like here we are getting on for
Speaker 1: two decades later, and.
Speaker 2: In fact, no one has stopped them. They're still doing it.
Speaker 1: Talking of things that no one can stop. Yah, no
Speaker 1: one can stop the relentless march of capitalism. And that
Speaker 1: is where we now have to pivot to advertisements.
Speaker 2: We are back.
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and six, once again Israel killed
Speaker 1: UN peacekeepers right. Perhaps the most notable incident is when
Speaker 1: a precision guided bomb struck a bunker and which four
Speaker 1: UN peacekeepers were sheltering. They'd been shelled fourteen times that day.
Speaker 1: They had then gone to their bunker right to be
Speaker 1: protected from the shelling, at which point they received this
Speaker 1: precision guided munition which killed four of them. The peacekeepers
Speaker 1: were from Austria, Canada, China and Finland. Later the UN
Speaker 1: sent like a quick reaction for US and a rescue team,
Speaker 1: which the IDF also shelled.
Speaker 2: Jesus chrised, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this may be the time to point out
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people are maybe hope
Speaker 1: for and maybe it's true that like if Israel crosses
Speaker 1: a line with attacking like European people, that will matter
Speaker 1: more to the nation that the states and governments of
Speaker 1: the world than it has done with killing Palestinian civilians.
Speaker 1: And to a degree, they might be right, like you might.
Speaker 1: You've had statements from a dozen or so countries that
Speaker 1: Israel shouldn't be attacking, but they're still getting this fire hose.
Speaker 2: Of money and weapons.
Speaker 1: Right, There's still been no actual accountability, and I think
Speaker 1: there will actually stop them from doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: That's not like the fault of the people on the
Speaker 1: ground in Junifhill for the most part. Yeah, But nonetheless
Speaker 1: it's the case. It was also in that instant in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and I was talking about UNIFIL
Speaker 1: called the IDF ten times to ask them to stop shelling.
Speaker 1: And this bunker, by the way, I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: like concealed position, right, Like like I've been in bunkers
Speaker 1: and I'm away for work that you might not be
Speaker 1: able to see very easily. This bad boy is painted
Speaker 1: bright white with the letters you n on it like.
Speaker 1: It's incredibly well marked. It's impossible to miss, you know.
Speaker 1: It stands out like a sauthor. That's where they drop
Speaker 1: their precition guid ammunition. There's also an instant in twenty ten.
Speaker 1: This might be one people remember, and this is one
Speaker 1: of the tree trimming incidents. So the IDEF was trying
Speaker 1: to trim trees along the blue line and the Lebanese
Speaker 1: military perceived them to have vented Lebanon. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: IDEF perceived themselves to be inside Israel. The ideaf's understanding
Speaker 1: of borders, as I said, is somewhat unique, and so
Speaker 1: Indonesian UNIFIL troops were there. This is a particularly interesting incident.
Speaker 1: The Indonesian troops seem to be pretty popular in Lebanon.
Speaker 1: From what I can tell, there are forty one nations
Speaker 1: that take part in UNIFILM right, but there are large
Speaker 1: contingents of Spanish, French, German, Italian, Irish peacekeepers and Indonesian
Speaker 1: and Nepally peacekeepers as well. The Indonesians are interesting because
Speaker 1: the government doesn't recognize Israel and so they have no diplomacy.
Speaker 1: I don't quite know how they manage that because, as
Speaker 1: we'll get into, Unifhili's controlled by this thing called a
Speaker 1: tripartite mechanism whereby they have to agree on almost everything
Speaker 1: with the government of Lebanon or the military of Lebanese
Speaker 1: Army and the IDF, which is it's kind of classic
Speaker 1: un right. You have these people there who are positioned
Speaker 1: to do something really important right now, which is to
Speaker 1: stop the IDF doing in Lebanon what he's done in Gaza.
Speaker 1: But they've managed to engineer themselves into a situation where
Speaker 1: they the IDF also has a veto on pretty much
Speaker 1: anything they can do, yeah, which I was told. I
Speaker 1: spoke to someone who was very familiar with the operations
Speaker 1: of UNIFIL and they were telling to me, for instance,
Speaker 1: so the IDF had been able to control what munitions
Speaker 1: they were able to bring into the country Jesus, which
Speaker 1: matters because, as we'll get into, one of the things
Speaker 1: that IDF likes to do is like literally knock on
Speaker 1: their front door with main battle tanks. Right that they
Speaker 1: actually knocked down the front gate of the uniform compound
Speaker 1: with a macaver tank. Certainly like knocking the front Gate
Speaker 1: down with a mccarverary is one way of going about.
Speaker 2: Asking Yeah, which is insane. Yeah, like the people just
Speaker 2: completely lost their minds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, right, Like, I think that's what
Speaker 1: I want folks to take away from this is that,
Speaker 1: like it's unlikely that the un is going to go
Speaker 1: toe to toe with the IDF at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that doesn't mean as I've seen people saying that
Speaker 1: either they're there to spy for the IDF, they're not.
Speaker 1: The IDEF keeps killing them, Yeah, in quite large numbers,
Speaker 1: Like I think forty two Irish people have been killed
Speaker 1: in the history of uniful deployments. Dozens from other countries too, Right,
Speaker 1: Nor does this mean there's annet Yaho has called them
Speaker 1: quote hostages of Husballa, which is kind of a ridiculous
Speaker 1: claim as many of the things that come out of
Speaker 1: his mouth are like they're also categorically not that they're
Speaker 1: hostages of the United Nations. And there's this system that
Speaker 1: it's backed itself into whereby two Beligeran parties can stop
Speaker 1: been doing anything they do. So I'll give you an
Speaker 1: example about twenty ten K's right, these Indonesian UNIFIL troops
Speaker 1: are trying to prevent the IDF and the Lebanese Army
Speaker 1: firing at each other. The IDEF is entering into Lebanon
Speaker 1: to cut down some trees, and in the perspective of
Speaker 1: the Lebanese Army, I guess, they started throwing insults on
Speaker 1: one another, and soon enough they start shooting with each other.
Speaker 1: So two Indonesian peacekeepers. There was a video of this
Speaker 1: that went around for a while. So the Indonesians decide
Speaker 1: that basically there's nothing we can do they're going to
Speaker 1: shoot at each other, and that they decide to withdraw,
Speaker 1: which probably isn't the best like like you know, they're
Speaker 1: not keeping peace by force, I guess, but they basically
Speaker 1: decide there's nothing they can do. They decide to pull
Speaker 1: out local people construct a roadblock to try and make
Speaker 1: them stay and prevent the IDEF from entering Lebanon. This
Speaker 1: happens a lot this, like you'll see this happening, and
Speaker 1: this happens in various like I'm going to get into
Speaker 1: some other UN situations where this has happened, right, But
Speaker 1: the two peacekeepers get separated from their unit. This is
Speaker 1: a video that kind of went around at the time,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure they're genuinely afraid at that point right
Speaker 1: in the video, they're being helped by local folks and
Speaker 1: they end up getting in a taxi to like leave
Speaker 1: and come back to their base, which, like I'm sure
Speaker 1: they were in a pretty shitty they were having a
Speaker 1: bad yeah. Yeah, And to quote Major General Alam Pelagowini,
Speaker 1: who is a French officer who's UNIFIL commander from two
Speaker 1: thousand and four to two thousand and seven, quote, the
Speaker 1: problem is in such cases as this, if you intervene
Speaker 1: to protect the IDF, for instance, unif will be accused
Speaker 1: by Husbulla or the people of protecting the Israelis and
Speaker 1: collaborating with the enemy. The other side, if we do
Speaker 1: the same with the Lebanese, it's able to accuse the
Speaker 1: unifor of collaborating with Husbula. So like, yes, it will
Speaker 1: in the situation that we're seeing currently, Like I think obviously,
Speaker 1: like what Israel thinks and says doesn't really have much
Speaker 1: credibility anymore because they're ruled by this tripartite mechanism.
Speaker 2: There's really very little they can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can fire people if they fired, but the
Speaker 1: IDEF isn't like engaging them in small arms combat. Right,
Speaker 1: They're loving artillery shelves into their compound, they're firing smoke,
Speaker 1: they're bashing down their walls with Caterpillar armored bulldozers.
Speaker 2: The IDF loves and armor bulldozer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean you can probably join the dots
Speaker 1: on why the IDF loves a armored bulldozer. You know,
Speaker 1: they're in the business of knocking stuff down, I guess.
Speaker 1: And yeah, going into urban areas and destroying people's homes.
Speaker 1: That's I'm sure other folks have armorable those too. Just
Speaker 1: the IDF is kind of well known for using these things.
Speaker 1: They shot down an observation tower last week which had
Speaker 1: two peace keepers in it, and obviously those people were
Speaker 1: injured because their tower got shot down. But like they're
Speaker 1: not fully attacking them enough that those peacekeepers would like
Speaker 1: defend themselves or their their positions. And I think if
Speaker 1: people are like hoping that somehow, like an engagement between
Speaker 1: peacekeepers and the IDF will be what causes accountability, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for like for the UN to actually like
Speaker 3: really seriously intervene in a world like this, it takes
Speaker 3: one of the UN Security Council members being like, we
Speaker 3: will send our own troops. That's like how the UN
Speaker 3: got involved in Korea, right, Yeah, Like the US was
Speaker 3: like fuck it, we're gonna send an army there, and
Speaker 3: like Russia is not going to like send an army.
Speaker 3: They're significantly too busy invading Ukraine and selling natural gas
Speaker 3: to Israel to do anything. China is not going to
Speaker 3: do it because there is real second largest trading partner
Speaker 3: and they don't give a shit. Like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: one's actually going to like send troops to like back
Speaker 3: some kind of like UN mandate to like stop the
Speaker 3: Israelis from doing this. Like that's just like not even
Speaker 3: if the Israelis were to just start killing peace keepers,
Speaker 3: like it's not going to happen. It's never happened any
Speaker 3: other time the Israelis have killed peacekeepers, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like peacekeepers have in other places for yeah that for instance,
Speaker 1: Irish peacekeepers in Congo, right or the Canadians and indeed,
Speaker 1: like the the Uniform have engaged in combat before. But
Speaker 1: I think the chances of them like stopping the IDF
Speaker 1: invasion are extremely slim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like and if you're finding a state that is
Speaker 3: just directly an American proxy that there's no way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's I don't even think like the seventies nam like
Speaker 3: not a line movement like dominated UN could have pulled
Speaker 3: something like that off, and like this UN will not No, like.
Speaker 1: The UN re issue strongly worded statements, the UN will
Speaker 1: say it's deeply concerned. And I imagine that like if
Speaker 1: you're just like a troop and then you're on your
Speaker 1: unifil so most of the at least for the Irish,
Speaker 1: most of people that have volunteered to be there, an Ireland,
Speaker 1: it's probably among at least among European country is a
Speaker 1: country that has strongest in its solidarity with Palestine for
Speaker 1: a long time. I'm sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it really blows. Oh yeah, And what the IDEF has
Speaker 1: done now is advanced past their like forward positions and
Speaker 1: the positions where people are being injured by shelling at
Speaker 1: the headquarters positions. So like if you imagine a triangle
Speaker 1: with the broad base of it at the front, they're
Speaker 1: shelling and sort of fighting around the headquarters positions. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if you've been spending that much of your life
Speaker 1: as a soldier, you know like and you're watching something
Speaker 1: terrible happen, you'd want to fight that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just sitting around Like that.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that it's bad that they're there, No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like any form of accountability will make it more accountable
Speaker 1: than what happened in Gaza, right, Yeah, or at least
Speaker 1: it will make whatever happens.
Speaker 2: More visible than what happened in Gaza, and.
Speaker 3: It probably legitimately has slowed the Israelis down, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is what would happen if there was nothing there
Speaker 3: and they could just run rough shod, which is you know,
Speaker 3: get like what we've seen in Gaza and what we've
Speaker 3: seen in the West Bank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I mean the strategy in Gaza has been
Speaker 1: first of all, like militarily inept, right, Like they've lost
Speaker 1: control of areas in their rear because aside from just
Speaker 1: killing lots of people and flattening cities, it didn't seem
Speaker 1: to be really doing much in it, like an actual
Speaker 1: sort of targeted manner. And like, yeah, just the present
Speaker 1: of peacekeepers means that you can't just carpet bomb in advance,
Speaker 1: you know, fied anything that moves this area between the
Speaker 1: Latini River and the Blue Line civilians have largely left
Speaker 1: because there's intense combat going on there, right, there's Bala
Speaker 1: present there and then obviously the IDEF now present there
Speaker 1: and they're fighting. So like if people can leave, they've left.
Speaker 1: So having not that civilians have really slowly is raised
Speaker 1: down in Gaza it or been a Cervilian casualties don't
Speaker 1: seem to be something they care about. But yeah, having
Speaker 1: these folks there has stopped them just carpet bombing the area,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that it's not a good thing.
Speaker 1: It's our obligation to pivot adverts again, Oh, which we
Speaker 1: will do.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back. Yeah, I guess, like I've seen
Speaker 2: it from a few people.
Speaker 1: I think it's either the people who discovered like international
Speaker 1: politics a year ago and previously like hadn't really thought
Speaker 1: about it, or from the kind of nativist right the
Speaker 1: idea that like they shouldn't be there, Like I've seen
Speaker 1: it from like some kind of nativist type folks about island,
Speaker 1: like why are the Irish they're risking their lives for
Speaker 1: the for the Lebanese?
Speaker 2: What the fuck the Lebanese emity for them?
Speaker 3: I have such good news for you at about who
Speaker 3: was training the IRA in the seventies. There are a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of guys with Irish accents in
Speaker 3: the Becka Valley training cancer the seventies, so you know,
Speaker 3: they really have actually done things for you. It's one
Speaker 3: of the things people do this with like the US
Speaker 3: or there's like one of the Israeli lines like ah,
Speaker 3: what is what of Palestinians ever.
Speaker 2: Done for black people?
Speaker 3: It's like, well, like one of people who got a
Speaker 3: lot of trading.
Speaker 4: Yellow in the seventies, like Jenny y are for better
Speaker 4: and for worse because like there's also groups that they
Speaker 4: trained that like they probably shouldn't have, like without a doubt,
Speaker 4: a lot of the groups that became the Fighting Vanguard,
Speaker 4: which was okay, it's I don't want to or they're
Speaker 4: Fighting Vanguard.
Speaker 3: The Fighting Vanguard were like a kind of Biltont wing
Speaker 3: of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. And like a bunch
Speaker 3: of those Fighting Vanguard guys who survived, so they do
Speaker 3: an uprising and I think it was eighty four, they
Speaker 3: like all get killed. Those people who survived go on
Speaker 3: to be some of the founding members of al Qaida.
Speaker 3: So not always yeah no great, yeah, but you know
Speaker 3: the record, Like look one out of like twenty of
Speaker 3: the people you trained, going Haywires. Not great, but like
Speaker 3: you know, it's so lied nineteen other ones like it
Speaker 3: did pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think abdud Algulam was in the Becka Valley
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, yeah, lots of cadres of the
Speaker 1: of the PKK.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the PKK was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Kurds died actually, Like yeah, that's a good
Speaker 1: article called the Kurds who Died for Palestine. I was
Speaker 1: reading recently because often you'll see this like idea that
Speaker 1: the Kurds are like inherently like Zionists, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that's true.
Speaker 2: No, Like yeah, like they fought awed the elevenies Civil
Speaker 2: War all the side of.
Speaker 3: The PLO Like yeah, yeah, they were in because they
Speaker 3: were in Beca Valley in the Plos trading caps Like yeah.
Speaker 1: They didn't really have much choice to be back. Israel
Speaker 1: was coming for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like like is Israel is one of the
Speaker 3: coachries that helped kidnap the dou La Jealote Like yeah,
Speaker 3: that's really not presideds at all.
Speaker 1: No, this is one of those things that you'll see
Speaker 1: found Like I didn't have that bot account. So they're
Speaker 1: just people with very unoriginal opinions who like they treat
Speaker 1: kind of Turkish state lines. When Israel build settlements in
Speaker 1: a West Bank and Guyza, they do it.
Speaker 2: With steel that comes from Turkey. Yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe treat those claims with some skepticism. If
Speaker 1: there's a gray wolf in Bio particularly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a broader, more serious point there, which
Speaker 3: is that like the actual physical resources that the Israelis
Speaker 3: use to physically build the occupation, right, those all come
Speaker 3: from places and it's not all US. And I think
Speaker 3: people have this image that like, well like and it
Speaker 3: is true the US, it's an unbelievable amount of money
Speaker 3: to Israel, But there's a lot of places where the
Speaker 3: Israelis are getting their ship form, right, Like he's really
Speaker 3: tech sector in the Israeli tech sector is one of
Speaker 3: the course these really and it's one of the cores
Speaker 3: of Israeli occupation is almost entirely fueled by like semiconductors
Speaker 3: and stuff that they buy from China. Right, that's where
Speaker 3: all the physical technical infrastructure of this stuff comes from.
Speaker 2: I talked about it before about like Russian natural gas.
Speaker 3: Right, all of these countries who will you know, talk
Speaker 3: all of this shit like and the un about Israel,
Speaker 3: like people's geopolitical stances and what they're willing to send
Speaker 3: me to you really to the Israelis are not the
Speaker 3: same thing at all. And if you want to actually
Speaker 3: gauge how the occupation functions, it's because a lot of
Speaker 3: countries that nominally will be like, oh we oppose is
Speaker 3: really occupation? Well, didn't just send them all the fucking
Speaker 3: resources that they need to do the occupation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't get any heat unless it's like
Speaker 1: literal bombs bullets, right, yeah, and even and even then,
Speaker 1: like lots of people like yeah, there's plenty of non us.
Speaker 1: I mean, the utata's a lot of this too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things that IDF likes to do they
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned yet is mock air assaults of uniform positions.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Well, they'll fly in like a bombing formation just basically,
Speaker 1: I guess hayes them. I can't really think of.
Speaker 3: A way to describe it, right, They terror like it's
Speaker 3: a terror campaign.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very clear indication that like any day,
Speaker 1: we could wipe you off the map, right, And some
Speaker 1: of the uniform assets seem to have anti aircraft missiles.
Speaker 1: Some of them don't, but even still like they you know,
Speaker 1: a determined attack by the idea of they'd be in
Speaker 1: big trouble. Of course, So right now, I guess the
Speaker 1: situation we're in, and according to the person who spoke
Speaker 1: to is that these positions is Israel as advanced passed.
Speaker 1: Like the peacekeepers there are still in their positions right
Speaker 1: they have using their own funds, which I presume means
Speaker 1: like funds from the states of which they are part,
Speaker 1: fortified their positions and improve their positions.
Speaker 2: With their own Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, the UN is supposed to provide positions for them.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to provide their rations, and it's supposed to
Speaker 1: provide weapons and vehicles for some of the states that
Speaker 1: like kind of aren't up to I guess a modern standard.
Speaker 1: That's incidentally why you don't see it so much here,
Speaker 1: But in other parts of the world you often see
Speaker 1: troops on peacekeeping missions who like perhaps you haven't heard
Speaker 1: about country's military before, right, Like, it's very common for like, Also,
Speaker 1: I think it is better that there are African peacekeepers
Speaker 1: in Africa than like white European peace like I think
Speaker 1: for historical and very obvious reasons, I will mention one
Speaker 1: of the places that sends a lot of pecs to
Speaker 1: places in Nepal, and the police peacekeepers that are good
Speaker 1: are being set by booist governments are.
Speaker 2: Good, not great. Yeah, you can google that.
Speaker 3: We've talked about this in Brazil at length, a like sorry,
Speaker 3: Brazilian nepolice cooperation in Haiti's shit show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it has not been good for the Haitian people.
Speaker 1: I will say, like one of the things that happens
Speaker 1: a lot is the UN pays them a certain rate
Speaker 1: for peacekeeping I guess or UN conversate certain right, which
Speaker 1: is often a lot more more than those militaries pay
Speaker 1: their soldiers. So it's like a source of income for
Speaker 1: their military view, see what I mean. They can like
Speaker 1: skim off the percentage. But these guys have at their
Speaker 1: own expense, fortify their positions, at their own expense, supplied
Speaker 1: themselves with rations so that they've they've bought a ton
Speaker 1: of food and water. It's what that means in like
Speaker 1: non nerdy terms. So they're pretty well stocked up, right,
Speaker 1: They're like they're bunked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's Also it's also like this US operation
Speaker 3: is being equipped in the same way that like American
Speaker 3: school teachers make sure their classrooms have pencils.
Speaker 2: That's a perfection. What the fuck is going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the state not the best way of organizing
Speaker 1: human society is what people are saying.
Speaker 3: Well, we need to fuse the two and finally bring
Speaker 3: about my lifelong dream of armed teachers union pickets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bring it back to like Blair Mountain, but for teachers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't armed teachers armed teachers unions. Yeah, we can finally
Speaker 1: get bipartisan agreement on Yeah, they're pretty well hold up,
Speaker 1: like American preppers dream of themselves being right surrounded by
Speaker 1: ammunition and MRIs. But at some point they're going to
Speaker 1: run out of food and water, and at some point
Speaker 1: that means that they're going to have to resupply. Right
Speaker 1: now on I'm just going to check the date very quickly,
Speaker 1: and UNIFIL is on Twitter by the way, if you
Speaker 1: want to, you want to follow them there. They kind
Speaker 1: of give a daily update on what's going on. On
Speaker 1: the thirteenth of October, UNIFIL said that the IDF sold
Speaker 1: just stopped a critical uniform logistical movement, which could well
Speaker 1: be like an attempt at resupply of one of these places. Right,
Speaker 1: at some point they're going to have to resupply them,
Speaker 1: either by air or by land. And I think that
Speaker 1: is when we will most likely see like exactly how
Speaker 1: hard the IDF wants to go against like in this
Speaker 1: case trucks full of MRIs right, Like, yeah, and previously
Speaker 1: they've got in standoffs like a few years ago the French.
Speaker 1: The French have done some interesting stuff the UNIFILM mission,
Speaker 1: Like in twenty ten they kind of went on a
Speaker 1: unilateral operation without approval to look for her body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a great move. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 3: French forces level on is such an interesting thing because
Speaker 3: it's like you have inside of the French soul is
Speaker 3: warring at all times two forces.
Speaker 2: It is it is reis anti Symath.
Speaker 3: It's like they because they hate Buzzlims so much, but
Speaker 3: they are also so antisemtic.
Speaker 2: This is an all times warring b French.
Speaker 1: The nature of the French soul, the two wolves that
Speaker 1: live inside the French person. Yeah, well in twenty ten
Speaker 1: they were their Islamophobia was winning that they u specifically
Speaker 1: they used sniffer dogs in people's homes, which Jesus is
Speaker 1: very disrespectful in culture in that part of the world.
Speaker 3: I mean also here, I would be really pissed off
Speaker 3: if fucking a bomb squad like getting started running sniffer
Speaker 3: dogs around my apartment.
Speaker 1: For sure, get out going through private property, you know,
Speaker 1: doing things that they were. They're supposed to operate with
Speaker 1: the Lebanese Armed Forces, right, so they patrol alongside them.
Speaker 1: But in this case, the French decided they were just
Speaker 1: going to send it solo and obviously pissed a lot
Speaker 1: of people off. And like, it's really interesting to see
Speaker 1: people address their concerns. But what's not interesting, I guess,
Speaker 1: but people address their concerns specifically with the French element
Speaker 1: of uniform rather than other elements of uniform, like for instance,
Speaker 1: Indonesia and seem to be pretty popular. The Indian element
Speaker 1: of unifil teaches weekly yoga classes, which are apparently becoming
Speaker 1: more and more popular.
Speaker 2: I've seen a bunch of videos.
Speaker 3: There's like tiktoks of Liberty's people in that area who
Speaker 3: speak English, and they all speak English with a Mariage accent.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there for so long, it's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well the Irish have been there since seventies, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I know of people who have two generations of their
Speaker 1: family who.
Speaker 2: Have been peacekeepers there. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: For those people like it probably like over time being down,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do develop a personal connection to the
Speaker 1: people who you know that they're around and the people
Speaker 1: whose communities they are protecting, And like, I genuinely feel
Speaker 1: like it's probably really a shitty situation to be in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, being sort of logged in your base.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they should leave, right, I just want
Speaker 1: to end with like, and I know we want to
Speaker 1: talk about the Gourden Heights to twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Actually Austria pulled out.
Speaker 1: Of the Gourden Heights and Ireland had to deploy a
Speaker 1: bunch of people really quickly to kind of cover that area.
Speaker 1: But if we look at like streperlinka right where the
Speaker 1: UN could have prevented a genocide did not. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: UN forces there withdrew, they surrendered and places were captured
Speaker 1: by the Serbs and then used as collateral to stop
Speaker 1: the UN doing anymore to prevent what and like some
Speaker 1: of the most horrific acts in human history happened it's Robnica, right,
Speaker 1: just just disgusting, terrible stuff, and like hopefully the UN
Speaker 1: has learned from that, hopefully like individual nations, I think
Speaker 1: like in that case, it wasn't so much the UN
Speaker 1: as a whole as like the specific chain of command
Speaker 1: of those peacekeepers.
Speaker 2: I think they were Dutch.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's worth noting in that point too, Like
Speaker 3: part of what's going on there is that like a
Speaker 3: lot of the European countries until well into the genocide,
Speaker 3: we're basically pro served because they saw the Serbs something
Speaker 3: that could like just cleanse the Muslims from Europe. Is
Speaker 3: like this is the explicit language that they're using, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: And this is this has always been a problem with
Speaker 3: with UN missions, is like, well, half the time we
Speaker 3: try to stop a genocide, there's like some faction of
Speaker 3: the UN that's like, no, this one fucking rips and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, this is yeah. But they are the
Speaker 1: bad guys though, aren't they. I think it's good that
Speaker 1: they have like Muslim countries within their yeah, their group,
Speaker 1: And like I think it's probably good that the Irish
Speaker 1: of their in large numbers because as a country they
Speaker 1: have been better on Palestine than almost anyone else in Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out being a colony.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like yeah, that's on
Speaker 1: that's on us as the British. But it's better that
Speaker 1: they're there, I guess. Yeah. And like no one talked
Speaker 1: about them for the past ten fucking years, but like
Speaker 1: the most important time for them to be there is
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and like even if they're not fighting,
Speaker 1: I think they serve a useful role in like it's
Speaker 1: the only accountability mechan Yeah that Israel can't just destroy
Speaker 1: There are definitely people who are alive right now who
Speaker 1: would not be if the Irish were not there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like I know we have these number of virus distions.
Speaker 1: Like I know, it sucks it's your family member who's
Speaker 1: stuck there, like and like it feels like they're not
Speaker 1: able to do anything and they're just stuck there as
Speaker 1: like collateral as a bargaining chap.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think overseas military deployments, but European countries go, it's
Speaker 1: one of the more defensible ones. You know, it's one
Speaker 1: of the ones that has stopped civilian lives being harmed.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think like the idea that they should leave,
Speaker 1: which I've seen people trotting out like that. No, they
Speaker 1: shouldn't like when they leave. It's just like Gaza all
Speaker 1: over again. It's just Israel carpet boling civilians and talking
Speaker 1: of copy boying cvilians. I guess you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: like Israel has decided to invade another country.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that's happened, and this has
Speaker 3: gotten almost no attention, I think because because the Syrian
Speaker 3: government does not want to admit that this is happening,
Speaker 3: and they're not doing anything about it because they don't
Speaker 3: give a shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Israel has been occupying the Syrian goal On Heights.
Speaker 2: Since nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've militarized it, they've just been holding the territory
Speaker 3: for I shouldn't have tried to do math in a.
Speaker 2: Fly like half a century sixty is. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that's been happening recently is
Speaker 3: there had been there had been like say to describe
Speaker 3: as like a Russian monitoring force sort of on on
Speaker 3: the border of the s about Goal on Heights and
Speaker 3: the sort of like southern provinces of Assyria. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: the Israelis seem to have just apparently they've done they've
Speaker 3: done this before where they'll just like go in and
Speaker 3: buldoze a bunch of farmland.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is on the video species of
Speaker 2: d mining, right, yeah, sort of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's always been. It's always been
Speaker 3: pretty clearly like a land grab kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But normally what happens is they go in, they
Speaker 2: buildoze a bunch of places, and they pull out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So somehow they have surpassed Turkey as the number one
Speaker 3: bulldozer of olive fields, which is sort of staggering, like
Speaker 3: they love that shit. Yeah, but this time they've set
Speaker 3: up it seems like a road project. Although given everything
Speaker 3: that we've been seeing about the sort of like rise
Speaker 3: of the concept of greater Israel where they just start
Speaker 3: invading everyone and radially outwards from Israel, extremely a loving
Speaker 3: they've they've built those these places, but now and they're
Speaker 3: but they've set it up like barred wire like around
Speaker 3: the new territory, which seems like they're just actually a
Speaker 3: time we can do annexation. Yeah, and that's really alarming
Speaker 3: because I mean, like the Syrian government isn't gonna do
Speaker 3: shit about this, right, Like, you know, Israel has bombed
Speaker 3: Syria a few times already.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they pumped Syria last time. I was saying,
Speaker 2: the Syrian gummer doesn't give a shit, right, They're they're
Speaker 2: too busy.
Speaker 3: Like like they have courage to kill, Like they don't
Speaker 3: have time to be dealing with fucking Israel here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but there's been an explicit.
Speaker 3: Israeli pushed like even further out from the goal on Heights,
Speaker 3: and I think we're just going to see this intensify
Speaker 3: as as the most sort of like drained settler factions
Speaker 3: in Israeli politics gained more and more power, and the
Speaker 3: sort of like frankly like very American, we must push
Speaker 3: our borders, we must like push into new frontiers and
Speaker 3: sees more land like cycle sort of perpetuates itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the people doing the settling
Speaker 1: have literally come from America to do the settling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pushing out in the Goland Heights. It's bad, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I know It'srael claims it was attacked by Katiba's Bulah
Speaker 1: in the Goland Heights like last week, and Katibez Bulla
Speaker 1: has denied that they claimed it's reel fabricated it nise
Speaker 1: are those people that people I particularly trust.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and this is also one of these funny
Speaker 3: ones where it's like the Israelis are denying that they've
Speaker 3: done this, I think, and the Syrian government is also
Speaker 3: denying that they've done this, but like everyone who's there
Speaker 3: is like, well.
Speaker 2: Obviously they did this, Like yeah, and like I.
Speaker 1: Don't know why it's real keeps for wanting to open
Speaker 1: up new fronts. I mean they did. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's set like colonial list logic. I guess I do
Speaker 1: think that like the continuation of this like full scale
Speaker 1: war generates consent for the government as it exists in
Speaker 1: the moment that it stops, and that the government's legiancy
Speaker 1: will collapse there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Pushing into Syria opens up a whole other world of shit.
Speaker 2: Shit, Yeah, the worst stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a nation on earth who really doesn't
Speaker 1: need anyone else trying to fucking And it's not that
Speaker 1: Israel has not been killing Syrians for a long time
Speaker 1: as well, has been lobbing munitions into Syria for a
Speaker 1: long time, and it's increased in the last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, I was in Syria on October
Speaker 1: seventh last year, and pretty much sooner as It's began
Speaker 1: responding to that attack, it began responding in Syria as well,
Speaker 1: but a ground operation is a whole different thing.
Speaker 2: There ain't no UN peacekeepers in Syria, and yeah, that
Speaker 2: could be very bad.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we'll keep you updated on that story
Speaker 3: as it presumably continues to get worse, because yeah, everything
Speaker 3: seems to end like I mean, I will say, Okay,
Speaker 3: so today Biden made a thing that said, if Israel
Speaker 3: hasn't resolved the humanitarian situation in thirty days, he's getting
Speaker 3: cut off aid. But like that's not going to happen,
Speaker 3: Like it's simply not like everyone says that all the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many lines have they stepped over?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like how many?
Speaker 3: An American red line is a line that when you
Speaker 3: step over and nothing happens. Yeah, that's that's that's just
Speaker 3: that's just how it works.
Speaker 2: Right, like it was in Syria. It has been multiple times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's there's this old Russian joke
Speaker 3: about China's Final Warning where because like throughout the entire
Speaker 3: seventies when like there's all this borders be's going on
Speaker 3: and even like the sixties and like something in the
Speaker 3: fifties sixties, like Chinese officials feel like this is China's
Speaker 3: final warning. Russia must stop and nothing would happen like this.
Speaker 3: This is where we're at with like the Democrats and
Speaker 3: being like, ah, Israel must stop doing whatever the fuck's No.
Speaker 2: They're not going to do anything, like they don't give
Speaker 2: a ship. Yeah, no, We've cried both so many time.
Speaker 1: It's clearly not an issue that Harris feels like it's
Speaker 1: going to lose her the election. Yeah, and then whoever wins,
Speaker 1: we got four more years of turning a fire hose
Speaker 1: of money and weapons on children in Palestine and apparently
Speaker 1: Serier in Lebanon as well. So yeah, it's great, It's
Speaker 1: all great. I'm afraid. Yeah, this has not been a
Speaker 1: good news episode. I hope people who have family have
Speaker 1: friends who are in Lebanon, Like, I hope people who
Speaker 1: have family there were doing Okay, I know it sucks,
Speaker 1: it could happen.
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