1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Al Zon Media. Hello and welcome to the podcast. It's 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: a calm introduction today. It's just a chill one. It's 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: me James and I'm joined by Mia. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: How you doing, Mia? 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: Not the best, but you know, we're hanging in there. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 3: We're defeating we're defeating the illness and the frailness of 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: the human body. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Overcoming the surly bonds of Earth, the types of face 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: of God or something. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: That's what Elon Musk does every day. Of course. Yeah, 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: when we're doing this with the power of cough medicine, 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not the kind of cough medicine that you 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: can only buy so much of. Okay, So we're here today, 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: how by cough medicine to discuss the United Nations into 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: reinforce in Lebanon. Of course, thing that we haven't talked 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: about before, but the lots of people are talking about 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: on the internet, and I wanted to like just clear 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: up what I think is some misunderstandings or like just 20 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: a lack of background, sort of explain what they do, 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Explain who it is composed of, a little bit of 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: history and sort of its role here. As Israel begins 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: attacking Lebanon as it did Gaza, right, and as it 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: has continued to attack the West Bank as well. 25 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and as as we're going to get to the 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 3: end of this episode, they started making a small push 27 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: into Syria. So great things happening here. Well we'll get 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: to that the episode. 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, once again employing an entirely proprietary understanding of borders 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: and where they are and how they work. 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: Maybe they're actually the no borders state, you know, like 33 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: and listen. 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: My opposition to the Sykes Pcobe borders is is well known, 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: but not like this. 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: Not like. 37 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: In event diagram the overlap of people who disagree with 38 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: Sykes pecod. It's mir Wong the Kurdistant Workers Party in Israel, 39 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's very small and they disagree with it for 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: very different reasons at Isis too. 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, you're really in good company. Yeah. 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: I remember back and back in like twenty fourteen, So 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: this one's for there's there are a bunch of kids 44 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: who listen to this show, and by kids, I mean 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: people who weren't like twenty seven, who don't remember the 46 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: fact that you could just argue with Isis people on Twitter. 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, twenty fifteen and like they had a really 48 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: good PR operation. Oh incredible. Yeah, And one of the 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 3: arguments he would make was like, well, yeah, we're trying 50 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: to destroy the imperialists. 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Like it's like snow boarders. We're like, well, okay. 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: Well, like you're doing this by establishing ISIS. 53 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: It's like really, yeah, that was a wild time when 54 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: you could argue them, Like you can still argue with 55 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: like an asadist occasionally on Twitter or like. 56 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: Oh sure, but like this wasn't even just like people 57 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: who support them. 58 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: This was like actual isis PR guys. 59 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they were. That was the whole job was 60 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: to argue with you. Yeah, there are some pretty good 61 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: articles from back in that time period about that if 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: you're too young to remember that. But yeah, So we're 63 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: talking about UNIFIL today, where the United Nations in termforcing lemanon. 64 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: Why are we talking about them? Because the IDF has 65 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: spent the last week or so edging on just openly 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: attacking them, and it has more or less openly attacked them, 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: but it hasn't done so in like a complete way. 68 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I guess we'll talk a little bit now about some 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: of the things which have happened because I think we 70 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: should probably start there, and then what'll explain who uniform are, 71 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: what they. 72 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Do, whether they're etcetera. A little bit of history. 73 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: So UNIPHIL has called the situation with the idea of 74 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: extremely serious and a flagrant violation of international law, a 75 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: phrase which is used every time Israel does anything, because 76 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: it's true and then nothing happens, and then nothing happens. Yeah, 77 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: and that's I think where we're going to end up today, 78 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: is that like it's good that they are there, right, 79 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Like just a big picture. This what Israel has done 80 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: in Lebanon, in Gaza and in the West Bank is 81 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: it has attacked anyone who is any form of outside observer, right, 82 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: it has killed aid workers, It has killed journalists, and 83 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: it has shot artillery realms at peacekeepers, injured peacekeepers in Lebanon. Right, 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: one who can provide any form of independent oversight, who 85 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: can provide any form of accountability for what they're doing, 86 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: is in danger. 87 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: And this is more or less. 88 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Russia does this a little bit too, right, 89 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: But like among like I don't know what we're supposed 90 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: to understand. It's relative democracy, but like this war seems 91 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: to be pretty unpopular even there and then Yahoo really 92 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: isn't he's taken a Trump approach to democracy. Let's say, 93 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: Israel seemingly murdering journalists as part of his policy as 94 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: a goal of its invasion of Gaza is pretty unique, 95 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: even by the standards of like other Western militaries who 96 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: have done some pretty terrible things in the Middle East 97 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. So some of the things 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: they've done in recent days, it's fired smoke grounds about 99 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: one hundred meters from their compounds, causing UNIFIL peacekeepers to 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: have to done their gas masks. Fifteen of them were injured. 101 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: They have like skin irritation for whatever the munition was. 102 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't quite know what it was. I guess I 103 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: think expired smokes can do that, and tear gases. Tear 104 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: gas can do that. You're not supposed to use tear gas. Yeah, 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: that's a war crime. Yeah, that's a war crime. It's 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: a war kind that lots of people do. To be fair, like, 107 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be the first one I'd seen. But then again, right, 108 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: like these are people, are they signature's to a genity 109 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: of convention? Actually, I don't know that's a good they are. 110 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck does it really matter that? Yeah, 111 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: have a look, I'm interested to know. 112 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they actually have ratified Theydia of Convention, which I 113 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: guess makes them mildly more big international law bound. 114 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: In the US. The ultimate rogue state, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 115 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's really it's pretty much a rogue state 116 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: at this point, right, Like that I think is oh yeah, 117 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: the sort of the frame of analysisue which they should 118 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: be understood. A rogue state doing violence set alone, is 119 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: wherever the fuck it wants with your taxpayer money, because 120 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: apparently there's nothing it can do which will cause it 121 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: to have one centimeter of accountability from the US. 122 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Other things they've been getting up to. 123 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: They've knocked down compound walls of the UNIFIL compounds. Can 124 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: we explain what uniform is, by the way, Yeah, sure. 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: So the UNIFIL is the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon. 126 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: It's tasked with peacekeeping, monitoring the withdrawal of the IDF. 127 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: So in theory, the IDEAF as we'll get into, has 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: invaded Lebanon many times in theory since two thousand and six, 129 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: which was the last time it's sort of invaded Lebanon On. 130 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: Like it's invaded Lebanon on a very small scale the 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of times, right, like, for instance, stepping across the border, 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: which the border is not entirely agreed upon by its Lebanon, 133 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: but the United Nations has imposed something called a blue line, 134 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: which is what it considers to be the border. It's 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: Raeli troops will go across that to trim trees a 136 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: lot so they can like spy more effectively. Right, they 137 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: literally have towers and cameras and stuff. But in two 138 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: thousand and six, people who are old like myself were members. 139 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Last time it did a sort of full scale evasion 140 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: of Lebanon, and on its withdrawal. 141 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: I'll just go through the history of uniform now. We 142 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: can about the attack later, I guess. 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: So they're supposed to keep the IDF and Husbulla in 144 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: theory out of an area between the Latani River and 145 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: the blue line. The blue line is where the UN 146 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: through the border in two thousand and The idea is 147 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: that the border was drawn there by the UN to 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: determine if Israel had withdrawn from Lebanon. That doesn't necessarily 149 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: mean that all parties accepted it's the border they don't, 150 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: but it is the blue line for now. The UNIFL 151 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: have been in Lebanon since nineteen seventy eight. That was 152 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: one of the times when israelvated Lebanon. 153 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: At that point they were looking for the PO. 154 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the PLO had crossed over from Lebanon 155 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: to attack and massacre people in Israel. Right at which 156 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: point Israel then decided to just go hog and in 157 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: fully invade Lebanon seventy eight and invaded again in eighty 158 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: two while UNIFIL we was there, and it sort of 159 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: bypassed uniform position to that point. And it doesn't mean 160 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: that people didn't die in these invasions uniform troops of peacekeepers, 161 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: because they did, right, Like it's a dangerous place to be. 162 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: Also, like eighty two is like the saber Chatila massacre, 163 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: Like yes, like I was just like hideous Israeli massacres 164 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: of refugee camps, which the kind of thing that like 165 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: used to cause more anger in the US that it 166 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: did now Like yeah. 167 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Now it's another day that ends in why right, you 168 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: know the bomba hospital again. It's a year of bombing 169 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: hospitals now and it doesn't seem to register anymore, doesn't 170 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: you know? 171 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Make the headlines. 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, in eighty two Israel bomb compound and it took 173 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Israel until the year two thousand to quote unquote withdraw 174 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: from Lebanon. And at that point that was when the 175 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: blue line was drawn. Right during that time, before two thousand, 176 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the IDF that was operating in the area. 177 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: You also had the South Lebanese Army. I don't like 178 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: the division of groups in this part of the world 179 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: exclusively along religious lines, because I think that doesn't entirely 180 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: explain things always and I think it's it's like a 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: very analyst brain way of seeing things, like to be like, oh, 182 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: these are the sites, and they do this, the sort 183 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: of sunnies and they do this. But the SLA is 184 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: a majority Christian organization and like it began as its 185 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: own independent thing in the in the Civil War Lebanon, 186 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: but it became more or lesson it's really proxy, right, 187 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: it's certainly in this area, and the UN caused them. 188 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: It's Raeli de facto forces, which is kind of a 189 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: bold move from the UN. Actually, Like yeah, to just 190 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: say it. Of course, saying it and doing it is 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: another thing. But like during the time from eighty two 192 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: to two thousand. It's revvated multiple times, right, including in 193 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six when just in the year of nineteen 194 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: ninety six it's rail fired on uniform peacekeepers. 195 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 2: Two hundred and seventy times. 196 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: So like, I think that's like every weekday for the 197 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: entire year. To put things in perspective, you know, like 198 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: if they took weekends off, they fired on them every weekday, 199 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: including shelling a uniform compound. After the withdrawal in two 200 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: thousand withdrew UNIFILM stasts of peacekeeping monitoring the withdrawal and 201 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: assisting the Lebanese government in restoring it for authority in 202 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: the area, and a UN mandate seventeen oh one two 203 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: thousand and six is relevated again and eventually it's sort 204 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: of ground to a stand still that time, ground to 205 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: stand on top of a massive pile of civilian bodies, 206 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as it tends to do. 207 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: Right. 208 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: They bom Beirut in two thousand and six. I remember 209 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: that I was I was traveling in the Middle East 210 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. I remember just being like, oh, 211 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: this is it's I one thing to watch war on 212 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: TV when you're at home, but when you're that little 213 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: bit closer, and it's people who are like, my cousin 214 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: is there, my brother is there. A good school friend 215 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: of mine was within Beiru. 216 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: I remember like. 217 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: It was one of my earlier experiences of just being 218 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: like this is horrific, and there's nothing we can do, 219 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Like no one seems to care, no one's going to 220 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: stop them, and like here we are getting on for 221 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: two decades later, and. 222 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: In fact, no one has stopped them. They're still doing it. 223 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: Talking of things that no one can stop. Yah, no 224 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: one can stop the relentless march of capitalism. And that 225 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: is where we now have to pivot to advertisements. 226 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: We are back. 227 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and six, once again Israel killed 228 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: UN peacekeepers right. Perhaps the most notable incident is when 229 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: a precision guided bomb struck a bunker and which four 230 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: UN peacekeepers were sheltering. They'd been shelled fourteen times that day. 231 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: They had then gone to their bunker right to be 232 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: protected from the shelling, at which point they received this 233 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: precision guided munition which killed four of them. The peacekeepers 234 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: were from Austria, Canada, China and Finland. Later the UN 235 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: sent like a quick reaction for US and a rescue team, 236 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: which the IDF also shelled. 237 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: Jesus chrised, Yeah. 238 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: I think this may be the time to point out 239 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people are maybe hope 240 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: for and maybe it's true that like if Israel crosses 241 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: a line with attacking like European people, that will matter 242 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: more to the nation that the states and governments of 243 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: the world than it has done with killing Palestinian civilians. 244 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: And to a degree, they might be right, like you might. 245 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: You've had statements from a dozen or so countries that 246 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Israel shouldn't be attacking, but they're still getting this fire hose. 247 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: Of money and weapons. 248 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: Right, There's still been no actual accountability, and I think 249 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: there will actually stop them from doing what they're doing. 250 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: That's not like the fault of the people on the 251 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: ground in Junifhill for the most part. Yeah, But nonetheless 252 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: it's the case. It was also in that instant in 253 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and I was talking about UNIFIL 254 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: called the IDF ten times to ask them to stop shelling. 255 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: And this bunker, by the way, I'm not talking about 256 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: like concealed position, right, Like like I've been in bunkers 257 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: and I'm away for work that you might not be 258 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: able to see very easily. This bad boy is painted 259 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: bright white with the letters you n on it like. 260 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: It's incredibly well marked. It's impossible to miss, you know. 261 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: It stands out like a sauthor. That's where they drop 262 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: their precition guid ammunition. There's also an instant in twenty ten. 263 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: This might be one people remember, and this is one 264 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: of the tree trimming incidents. So the IDEF was trying 265 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: to trim trees along the blue line and the Lebanese 266 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: military perceived them to have vented Lebanon. I'm sure the 267 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: IDEF perceived themselves to be inside Israel. The ideaf's understanding 268 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: of borders, as I said, is somewhat unique, and so 269 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: Indonesian UNIFIL troops were there. This is a particularly interesting incident. 270 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: The Indonesian troops seem to be pretty popular in Lebanon. 271 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: From what I can tell, there are forty one nations 272 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: that take part in UNIFILM right, but there are large 273 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: contingents of Spanish, French, German, Italian, Irish peacekeepers and Indonesian 274 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: and Nepally peacekeepers as well. The Indonesians are interesting because 275 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: the government doesn't recognize Israel and so they have no diplomacy. 276 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: I don't quite know how they manage that because, as 277 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: we'll get into, Unifhili's controlled by this thing called a 278 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: tripartite mechanism whereby they have to agree on almost everything 279 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: with the government of Lebanon or the military of Lebanese 280 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Army and the IDF, which is it's kind of classic 281 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: un right. You have these people there who are positioned 282 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: to do something really important right now, which is to 283 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: stop the IDF doing in Lebanon what he's done in Gaza. 284 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: But they've managed to engineer themselves into a situation where 285 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: they the IDF also has a veto on pretty much 286 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: anything they can do, yeah, which I was told. I 287 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: spoke to someone who was very familiar with the operations 288 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: of UNIFIL and they were telling to me, for instance, 289 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: so the IDF had been able to control what munitions 290 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: they were able to bring into the country Jesus, which 291 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: matters because, as we'll get into, one of the things 292 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: that IDF likes to do is like literally knock on 293 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: their front door with main battle tanks. Right that they 294 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: actually knocked down the front gate of the uniform compound 295 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: with a macaver tank. Certainly like knocking the front Gate 296 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: down with a mccarverary is one way of going about. 297 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: Asking Yeah, which is insane. Yeah, like the people just 298 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: completely lost their minds. 299 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, right, Like, I think that's what 300 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: I want folks to take away from this is that, 301 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: like it's unlikely that the un is going to go 302 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: toe to toe with the IDF at this point. 303 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: No, that doesn't mean as I've seen people saying that 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: either they're there to spy for the IDF, they're not. 306 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: The IDEF keeps killing them, Yeah, in quite large numbers, 307 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: Like I think forty two Irish people have been killed 308 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: in the history of uniful deployments. Dozens from other countries too, Right, 309 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: Nor does this mean there's annet Yaho has called them 310 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: quote hostages of Husballa, which is kind of a ridiculous 311 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: claim as many of the things that come out of 312 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: his mouth are like they're also categorically not that they're 313 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: hostages of the United Nations. And there's this system that 314 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: it's backed itself into whereby two Beligeran parties can stop 315 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: been doing anything they do. So I'll give you an 316 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: example about twenty ten K's right, these Indonesian UNIFIL troops 317 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: are trying to prevent the IDF and the Lebanese Army 318 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: firing at each other. The IDEF is entering into Lebanon 319 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: to cut down some trees, and in the perspective of 320 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: the Lebanese Army, I guess, they started throwing insults on 321 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: one another, and soon enough they start shooting with each other. 322 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: So two Indonesian peacekeepers. There was a video of this 323 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: that went around for a while. So the Indonesians decide 324 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: that basically there's nothing we can do they're going to 325 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: shoot at each other, and that they decide to withdraw, 326 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: which probably isn't the best like like you know, they're 327 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: not keeping peace by force, I guess, but they basically 328 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: decide there's nothing they can do. They decide to pull 329 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: out local people construct a roadblock to try and make 330 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: them stay and prevent the IDEF from entering Lebanon. This 331 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: happens a lot this, like you'll see this happening, and 332 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: this happens in various like I'm going to get into 333 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: some other UN situations where this has happened, right, But 334 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the two peacekeepers get separated from their unit. This is 335 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: a video that kind of went around at the time, 336 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: like I'm sure they're genuinely afraid at that point right 337 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: in the video, they're being helped by local folks and 338 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: they end up getting in a taxi to like leave 339 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: and come back to their base, which, like I'm sure 340 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: they were in a pretty shitty they were having a 341 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: bad yeah. Yeah, And to quote Major General Alam Pelagowini, 342 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: who is a French officer who's UNIFIL commander from two 343 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: thousand and four to two thousand and seven, quote, the 344 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: problem is in such cases as this, if you intervene 345 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: to protect the IDF, for instance, unif will be accused 346 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: by Husbulla or the people of protecting the Israelis and 347 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: collaborating with the enemy. The other side, if we do 348 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: the same with the Lebanese, it's able to accuse the 349 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: unifor of collaborating with Husbula. So like, yes, it will 350 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: in the situation that we're seeing currently, Like I think obviously, 351 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: like what Israel thinks and says doesn't really have much 352 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: credibility anymore because they're ruled by this tripartite mechanism. 353 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: There's really very little they can do. 354 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, they can fire people if they fired, but the 355 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: IDEF isn't like engaging them in small arms combat. Right, 356 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: They're loving artillery shelves into their compound, they're firing smoke, 357 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: they're bashing down their walls with Caterpillar armored bulldozers. 358 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: The IDF loves and armor bulldozer. 359 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean you can probably join the dots 360 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: on why the IDF loves a armored bulldozer. You know, 361 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: they're in the business of knocking stuff down, I guess. 362 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, going into urban areas and destroying people's homes. 363 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: That's I'm sure other folks have armorable those too. Just 364 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: the IDF is kind of well known for using these things. 365 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: They shot down an observation tower last week which had 366 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: two peace keepers in it, and obviously those people were 367 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: injured because their tower got shot down. But like they're 368 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: not fully attacking them enough that those peacekeepers would like 369 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: defend themselves or their their positions. And I think if 370 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: people are like hoping that somehow, like an engagement between 371 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: peacekeepers and the IDF will be what causes accountability, I 372 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen. 373 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, And for like for the UN to actually like 374 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: really seriously intervene in a world like this, it takes 375 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: one of the UN Security Council members being like, we 376 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 3: will send our own troops. That's like how the UN 377 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: got involved in Korea, right, Yeah, Like the US was 378 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: like fuck it, we're gonna send an army there, and 379 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 3: like Russia is not going to like send an army. 380 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: They're significantly too busy invading Ukraine and selling natural gas 381 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 3: to Israel to do anything. China is not going to 382 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: do it because there is real second largest trading partner 383 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: and they don't give a shit. Like no, no, no, 384 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: one's actually going to like send troops to like back 385 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: some kind of like UN mandate to like stop the 386 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 3: Israelis from doing this. Like that's just like not even 387 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: if the Israelis were to just start killing peace keepers, 388 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 3: like it's not going to happen. It's never happened any 389 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: other time the Israelis have killed peacekeepers, Yeah. 390 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Like peacekeepers have in other places for yeah that for instance, 391 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: Irish peacekeepers in Congo, right or the Canadians and indeed, 392 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: like the the Uniform have engaged in combat before. But 393 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: I think the chances of them like stopping the IDF 394 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: invasion are extremely slim. 395 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like and if you're finding a state that is 396 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: just directly an American proxy that there's no way. Yeah, 397 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: it's I don't even think like the seventies nam like 398 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: not a line movement like dominated UN could have pulled 399 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: something like that off, and like this UN will not No, like. 400 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: The UN re issue strongly worded statements, the UN will 401 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: say it's deeply concerned. And I imagine that like if 402 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: you're just like a troop and then you're on your 403 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: unifil so most of the at least for the Irish, 404 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: most of people that have volunteered to be there, an Ireland, 405 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: it's probably among at least among European country is a 406 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: country that has strongest in its solidarity with Palestine for 407 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: a long time. I'm sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure 408 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: it really blows. Oh yeah, And what the IDEF has 409 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: done now is advanced past their like forward positions and 410 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: the positions where people are being injured by shelling at 411 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: the headquarters positions. So like if you imagine a triangle 412 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: with the broad base of it at the front, they're 413 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: shelling and sort of fighting around the headquarters positions. I'm 414 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: sure if you've been spending that much of your life 415 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: as a soldier, you know like and you're watching something 416 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: terrible happen, you'd want to fight that. 417 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just sitting around Like that. 418 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that it's bad that they're there, No, Yeah, 419 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: Like any form of accountability will make it more accountable 420 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: than what happened in Gaza, right, Yeah, or at least 421 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: it will make whatever happens. 422 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: More visible than what happened in Gaza, and. 423 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: It probably legitimately has slowed the Israelis down, Like, yeah, 424 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 3: this is what would happen if there was nothing there 425 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: and they could just run rough shod, which is you know, 426 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: get like what we've seen in Gaza and what we've 427 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 3: seen in the West Bank. 428 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I mean the strategy in Gaza has been 429 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: first of all, like militarily inept, right, Like they've lost 430 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: control of areas in their rear because aside from just 431 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: killing lots of people and flattening cities, it didn't seem 432 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: to be really doing much in it, like an actual 433 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: sort of targeted manner. And like, yeah, just the present 434 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: of peacekeepers means that you can't just carpet bomb in advance, 435 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: you know, fied anything that moves this area between the 436 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: Latini River and the Blue Line civilians have largely left 437 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: because there's intense combat going on there, right, there's Bala 438 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: present there and then obviously the IDEF now present there 439 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: and they're fighting. So like if people can leave, they've left. 440 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: So having not that civilians have really slowly is raised 441 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: down in Gaza it or been a Cervilian casualties don't 442 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: seem to be something they care about. But yeah, having 443 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: these folks there has stopped them just carpet bombing the area, 444 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. 445 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, something that it's not a good thing. 446 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: It's our obligation to pivot adverts again, Oh, which we 447 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: will do. 448 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: All right, we're back. Yeah, I guess, like I've seen 449 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: it from a few people. 450 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: I think it's either the people who discovered like international 451 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: politics a year ago and previously like hadn't really thought 452 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: about it, or from the kind of nativist right the 453 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: idea that like they shouldn't be there, Like I've seen 454 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: it from like some kind of nativist type folks about island, 455 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: like why are the Irish they're risking their lives for 456 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: the for the Lebanese? 457 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: What the fuck the Lebanese emity for them? 458 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: I have such good news for you at about who 459 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: was training the IRA in the seventies. There are a 460 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of guys with Irish accents in 461 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: the Becka Valley training cancer the seventies, so you know, 462 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: they really have actually done things for you. It's one 463 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: of the things people do this with like the US 464 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 3: or there's like one of the Israeli lines like ah, 465 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: what is what of Palestinians ever. 466 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: Done for black people? 467 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: It's like, well, like one of people who got a 468 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: lot of trading. 469 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 4: Yellow in the seventies, like Jenny y are for better 470 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 4: and for worse because like there's also groups that they 471 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: trained that like they probably shouldn't have, like without a doubt, 472 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 4: a lot of the groups that became the Fighting Vanguard, 473 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: which was okay, it's I don't want to or they're 474 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: Fighting Vanguard. 475 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: The Fighting Vanguard were like a kind of Biltont wing 476 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. And like a bunch 477 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: of those Fighting Vanguard guys who survived, so they do 478 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: an uprising and I think it was eighty four, they 479 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 3: like all get killed. Those people who survived go on 480 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: to be some of the founding members of al Qaida. 481 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: So not always yeah no great, yeah, but you know 482 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: the record, Like look one out of like twenty of 483 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: the people you trained, going Haywires. Not great, but like 484 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's so lied nineteen other ones like it 485 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: did pretty good. 486 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think abdud Algulam was in the Becka Valley 487 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, yeah, lots of cadres of the 488 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: of the PKK. 489 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the PKK was there. 490 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Kurds died actually, Like yeah, that's a good 491 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: article called the Kurds who Died for Palestine. I was 492 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: reading recently because often you'll see this like idea that 493 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: the Kurds are like inherently like Zionists, and I don't 494 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: think that's true. 495 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 2: No, Like yeah, like they fought awed the elevenies Civil 496 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: War all the side of. 497 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: The PLO Like yeah, yeah, they were in because they 498 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: were in Beca Valley in the Plos trading caps Like yeah. 499 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: They didn't really have much choice to be back. Israel 500 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: was coming for them. 501 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like like is Israel is one of the 502 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: coachries that helped kidnap the dou La Jealote Like yeah, 503 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: that's really not presideds at all. 504 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: No, this is one of those things that you'll see 505 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: found Like I didn't have that bot account. So they're 506 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: just people with very unoriginal opinions who like they treat 507 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: kind of Turkish state lines. When Israel build settlements in 508 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: a West Bank and Guyza, they do it. 509 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: With steel that comes from Turkey. Yep. 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe treat those claims with some skepticism. If 511 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: there's a gray wolf in Bio particularly. 512 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a broader, more serious point there, which 513 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: is that like the actual physical resources that the Israelis 514 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: use to physically build the occupation, right, those all come 515 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: from places and it's not all US. And I think 516 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 3: people have this image that like, well like and it 517 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: is true the US, it's an unbelievable amount of money 518 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 3: to Israel, But there's a lot of places where the 519 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: Israelis are getting their ship form, right, Like he's really 520 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: tech sector in the Israeli tech sector is one of 521 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: the course these really and it's one of the cores 522 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: of Israeli occupation is almost entirely fueled by like semiconductors 523 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: and stuff that they buy from China. Right, that's where 524 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 3: all the physical technical infrastructure of this stuff comes from. 525 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: I talked about it before about like Russian natural gas. 526 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: Right, all of these countries who will you know, talk 527 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: all of this shit like and the un about Israel, 528 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 3: like people's geopolitical stances and what they're willing to send 529 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: me to you really to the Israelis are not the 530 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: same thing at all. And if you want to actually 531 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: gauge how the occupation functions, it's because a lot of 532 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: countries that nominally will be like, oh we oppose is 533 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: really occupation? Well, didn't just send them all the fucking 534 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: resources that they need to do the occupation. 535 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't get any heat unless it's like 536 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: literal bombs bullets, right, yeah, and even and even then, 537 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: like lots of people like yeah, there's plenty of non us. 538 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the utata's a lot of this too, right. 539 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 540 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: One of the things that IDF likes to do they 541 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: haven't mentioned yet is mock air assaults of uniform positions. 542 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. 543 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: Well, they'll fly in like a bombing formation just basically, 544 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: I guess hayes them. I can't really think of. 545 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: A way to describe it, right, They terror like it's 546 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: a terror campaign. 547 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very clear indication that like any day, 548 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: we could wipe you off the map, right, And some 549 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: of the uniform assets seem to have anti aircraft missiles. 550 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: Some of them don't, but even still like they you know, 551 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: a determined attack by the idea of they'd be in 552 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: big trouble. Of course, So right now, I guess the 553 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: situation we're in, and according to the person who spoke 554 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: to is that these positions is Israel as advanced passed. 555 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: Like the peacekeepers there are still in their positions right 556 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: they have using their own funds, which I presume means 557 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: like funds from the states of which they are part, 558 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: fortified their positions and improve their positions. 559 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: With their own Jesus Christ. 560 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Yes, well, the UN is supposed to provide positions for them. 561 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: It's supposed to provide their rations, and it's supposed to 562 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: provide weapons and vehicles for some of the states that 563 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: like kind of aren't up to I guess a modern standard. 564 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: That's incidentally why you don't see it so much here, 565 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: But in other parts of the world you often see 566 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: troops on peacekeeping missions who like perhaps you haven't heard 567 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: about country's military before, right, Like, it's very common for like, Also, 568 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I think it is better that there are African peacekeepers 569 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: in Africa than like white European peace like I think 570 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: for historical and very obvious reasons, I will mention one 571 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: of the places that sends a lot of pecs to 572 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: places in Nepal, and the police peacekeepers that are good 573 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: are being set by booist governments are. 574 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: Good, not great. Yeah, you can google that. 575 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: We've talked about this in Brazil at length, a like sorry, 576 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: Brazilian nepolice cooperation in Haiti's shit show. 577 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it has not been good for the Haitian people. 578 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: I will say, like one of the things that happens 579 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: a lot is the UN pays them a certain rate 580 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: for peacekeeping I guess or UN conversate certain right, which 581 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: is often a lot more more than those militaries pay 582 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: their soldiers. So it's like a source of income for 583 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: their military view, see what I mean. They can like 584 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: skim off the percentage. But these guys have at their 585 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: own expense, fortify their positions, at their own expense, supplied 586 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: themselves with rations so that they've they've bought a ton 587 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: of food and water. It's what that means in like 588 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: non nerdy terms. So they're pretty well stocked up, right, 589 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: They're like they're bunked up. 590 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's Also it's also like this US operation 591 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: is being equipped in the same way that like American 592 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: school teachers make sure their classrooms have pencils. 593 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: That's a perfection. What the fuck is going on here? Yeah, 594 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. 595 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the state not the best way of organizing 596 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: human society is what people are saying. 597 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: Well, we need to fuse the two and finally bring 598 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: about my lifelong dream of armed teachers union pickets. 599 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, bring it back to like Blair Mountain, but for teachers. Yeah, 600 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: don't armed teachers armed teachers unions. Yeah, we can finally 601 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: get bipartisan agreement on Yeah, they're pretty well hold up, 602 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: like American preppers dream of themselves being right surrounded by 603 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: ammunition and MRIs. But at some point they're going to 604 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: run out of food and water, and at some point 605 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: that means that they're going to have to resupply. Right 606 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: now on I'm just going to check the date very quickly, 607 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: and UNIFIL is on Twitter by the way, if you 608 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: want to, you want to follow them there. They kind 609 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: of give a daily update on what's going on. On 610 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: the thirteenth of October, UNIFIL said that the IDF sold 611 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: just stopped a critical uniform logistical movement, which could well 612 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: be like an attempt at resupply of one of these places. Right, 613 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: at some point they're going to have to resupply them, 614 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: either by air or by land. And I think that 615 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: is when we will most likely see like exactly how 616 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: hard the IDF wants to go against like in this 617 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: case trucks full of MRIs right, Like, yeah, and previously 618 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: they've got in standoffs like a few years ago the French. 619 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: The French have done some interesting stuff the UNIFILM mission, 620 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: Like in twenty ten they kind of went on a 621 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: unilateral operation without approval to look for her body. Yeah, 622 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: not a great move. Yeah, it's wild. 623 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 3: French forces level on is such an interesting thing because 624 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 3: it's like you have inside of the French soul is 625 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: warring at all times two forces. 626 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: It is it is reis anti Symath. 627 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 3: It's like they because they hate Buzzlims so much, but 628 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: they are also so antisemtic. 629 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: This is an all times warring b French. 630 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: The nature of the French soul, the two wolves that 631 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: live inside the French person. Yeah, well in twenty ten 632 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: they were their Islamophobia was winning that they u specifically 633 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: they used sniffer dogs in people's homes, which Jesus is 634 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: very disrespectful in culture in that part of the world. 635 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 3: I mean also here, I would be really pissed off 636 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 3: if fucking a bomb squad like getting started running sniffer 637 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: dogs around my apartment. 638 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: For sure, get out going through private property, you know, 639 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: doing things that they were. They're supposed to operate with 640 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: the Lebanese Armed Forces, right, so they patrol alongside them. 641 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: But in this case, the French decided they were just 642 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: going to send it solo and obviously pissed a lot 643 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: of people off. And like, it's really interesting to see 644 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: people address their concerns. But what's not interesting, I guess, 645 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: but people address their concerns specifically with the French element 646 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: of uniform rather than other elements of uniform, like for instance, 647 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: Indonesia and seem to be pretty popular. The Indian element 648 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: of unifil teaches weekly yoga classes, which are apparently becoming 649 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: more and more popular. 650 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: I've seen a bunch of videos. 651 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: There's like tiktoks of Liberty's people in that area who 652 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: speak English, and they all speak English with a Mariage accent. 653 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there for so long, it's great. 654 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well the Irish have been there since seventies, right, Like, 655 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: I know of people who have two generations of their 656 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: family who. 657 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: Have been peacekeepers there. Yeah, I think. 658 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: For those people like it probably like over time being down, 659 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure they do develop a personal connection to the 660 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: people who you know that they're around and the people 661 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: whose communities they are protecting, And like, I genuinely feel 662 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: like it's probably really a shitty situation to be in. 663 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, being sort of logged in your base. 664 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they should leave, right, I just want 665 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: to end with like, and I know we want to 666 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: talk about the Gourden Heights to twenty thirteen. 667 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: Actually Austria pulled out. 668 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: Of the Gourden Heights and Ireland had to deploy a 669 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: bunch of people really quickly to kind of cover that area. 670 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: But if we look at like streperlinka right where the 671 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: UN could have prevented a genocide did not. Yeah, the 672 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: UN forces there withdrew, they surrendered and places were captured 673 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: by the Serbs and then used as collateral to stop 674 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: the UN doing anymore to prevent what and like some 675 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: of the most horrific acts in human history happened it's Robnica, right, 676 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: just just disgusting, terrible stuff, and like hopefully the UN 677 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: has learned from that, hopefully like individual nations, I think 678 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: like in that case, it wasn't so much the UN 679 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: as a whole as like the specific chain of command 680 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: of those peacekeepers. 681 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: I think they were Dutch. 682 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: Well, and it's worth noting in that point too, Like 683 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: part of what's going on there is that like a 684 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: lot of the European countries until well into the genocide, 685 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: we're basically pro served because they saw the Serbs something 686 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 3: that could like just cleanse the Muslims from Europe. Is 687 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 3: like this is the explicit language that they're using, right, yeah, 688 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 3: And this is this has always been a problem with 689 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: with UN missions, is like, well, half the time we 690 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: try to stop a genocide, there's like some faction of 691 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 3: the UN that's like, no, this one fucking rips and. 692 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, this is yeah. But they are the 693 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: bad guys though, aren't they. I think it's good that 694 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: they have like Muslim countries within their yeah, their group, 695 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: And like I think it's probably good that the Irish 696 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: of their in large numbers because as a country they 697 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: have been better on Palestine than almost anyone else in Europe. 698 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out being a colony. 699 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like yeah, that's on 700 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: that's on us as the British. But it's better that 701 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: they're there, I guess. Yeah. And like no one talked 702 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: about them for the past ten fucking years, but like 703 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: the most important time for them to be there is 704 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and like even if they're not fighting, 705 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: I think they serve a useful role in like it's 706 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: the only accountability mechan Yeah that Israel can't just destroy 707 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: There are definitely people who are alive right now who 708 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: would not be if the Irish were not there. Yeah, 709 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: and like I know we have these number of virus distions. 710 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: Like I know, it sucks it's your family member who's 711 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: stuck there, like and like it feels like they're not 712 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: able to do anything and they're just stuck there as 713 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: like collateral as a bargaining chap. 714 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't know, but like, yeah. 715 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: I think overseas military deployments, but European countries go, it's 716 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: one of the more defensible ones. You know, it's one 717 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: of the ones that has stopped civilian lives being harmed. 718 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeh. 719 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think like the idea that they should leave, 720 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: which I've seen people trotting out like that. No, they 721 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't like when they leave. It's just like Gaza all 722 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: over again. It's just Israel carpet boling civilians and talking 723 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: of copy boying cvilians. I guess you want to talk about, 724 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: like Israel has decided to invade another country. 725 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 2: So okay. 726 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: So one of the things that's happened, and this has 727 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: gotten almost no attention, I think because because the Syrian 728 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: government does not want to admit that this is happening, 729 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 3: and they're not doing anything about it because they don't 730 00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: give a shit. 731 00:35:59,719 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 732 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: So Israel has been occupying the Syrian goal On Heights. 733 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 2: Since nineteen sixty seven. 734 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've militarized it, they've just been holding the territory 735 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 3: for I shouldn't have tried to do math in a. 736 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: Fly like half a century sixty is. Yeah. 737 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 3: And one of the things that's been happening recently is 738 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 3: there had been there had been like say to describe 739 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: as like a Russian monitoring force sort of on on 740 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: the border of the s about Goal on Heights and 741 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 3: the sort of like southern provinces of Assyria. Yeah, and 742 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: the Israelis seem to have just apparently they've done they've 743 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 3: done this before where they'll just like go in and 744 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: buldoze a bunch of farmland. 745 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is on the video species of 746 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: d mining, right, yeah, sort of. 747 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's always been. It's always been 748 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: pretty clearly like a land grab kind of thing. 749 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. But normally what happens is they go in, they 750 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: buildoze a bunch of places, and they pull out. Yeah. 751 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 3: So somehow they have surpassed Turkey as the number one 752 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 3: bulldozer of olive fields, which is sort of staggering, like 753 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 3: they love that shit. Yeah, but this time they've set 754 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 3: up it seems like a road project. Although given everything 755 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 3: that we've been seeing about the sort of like rise 756 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: of the concept of greater Israel where they just start 757 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 3: invading everyone and radially outwards from Israel, extremely a loving 758 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 3: they've they've built those these places, but now and they're 759 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 3: but they've set it up like barred wire like around 760 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 3: the new territory, which seems like they're just actually a 761 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: time we can do annexation. Yeah, and that's really alarming 762 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 3: because I mean, like the Syrian government isn't gonna do 763 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 3: shit about this, right, Like, you know, Israel has bombed 764 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 3: Syria a few times already. 765 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they pumped Syria last time. I was saying, 766 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: the Syrian gummer doesn't give a shit, right, They're they're 767 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 2: too busy. 768 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 3: Like like they have courage to kill, Like they don't 769 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 3: have time to be dealing with fucking Israel here. 770 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but there's been an explicit. 771 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 3: Israeli pushed like even further out from the goal on Heights, 772 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: and I think we're just going to see this intensify 773 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 3: as as the most sort of like drained settler factions 774 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 3: in Israeli politics gained more and more power, and the 775 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 3: sort of like frankly like very American, we must push 776 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 3: our borders, we must like push into new frontiers and 777 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: sees more land like cycle sort of perpetuates itself. 778 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the people doing the settling 779 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: have literally come from America to do the settling. Yeah, 780 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: pushing out in the Goland Heights. It's bad, Like yeah, 781 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: I know It'srael claims it was attacked by Katiba's Bulah 782 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: in the Goland Heights like last week, and Katibez Bulla 783 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: has denied that they claimed it's reel fabricated it nise 784 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: are those people that people I particularly trust. 785 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and this is also one of these funny 786 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 3: ones where it's like the Israelis are denying that they've 787 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 3: done this, I think, and the Syrian government is also 788 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 3: denying that they've done this, but like everyone who's there 789 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 3: is like, well. 790 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: Obviously they did this, Like yeah, and like I. 791 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: Don't know why it's real keeps for wanting to open 792 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: up new fronts. I mean they did. Yeah, like you said, 793 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: it's set like colonial list logic. I guess I do 794 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: think that like the continuation of this like full scale 795 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: war generates consent for the government as it exists in 796 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: the moment that it stops, and that the government's legiancy 797 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: will collapse there. 798 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah. 799 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: Pushing into Syria opens up a whole other world of shit. 800 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 2: Shit, Yeah, the worst stuff. 801 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a nation on earth who really doesn't 802 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: need anyone else trying to fucking And it's not that 803 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: Israel has not been killing Syrians for a long time 804 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: as well, has been lobbing munitions into Syria for a 805 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: long time, and it's increased in the last year. Yeah, 806 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, I was in Syria on October 807 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: seventh last year, and pretty much sooner as It's began 808 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: responding to that attack, it began responding in Syria as well, 809 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: but a ground operation is a whole different thing. 810 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: There ain't no UN peacekeepers in Syria, and yeah, that 811 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: could be very bad. 812 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, so we'll keep you updated on that story 813 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 3: as it presumably continues to get worse, because yeah, everything 814 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: seems to end like I mean, I will say, Okay, 815 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 3: so today Biden made a thing that said, if Israel 816 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 3: hasn't resolved the humanitarian situation in thirty days, he's getting 817 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 3: cut off aid. But like that's not going to happen, 818 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 3: Like it's simply not like everyone says that all the time. 819 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 2: I mean, how many lines have they stepped over? 820 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 3: Right? 821 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: Like how many? 822 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 3: An American red line is a line that when you 823 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 3: step over and nothing happens. Yeah, that's that's that's just 824 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 3: that's just how it works. 825 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: Right, like it was in Syria. It has been multiple times. 826 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's there's this old Russian joke 827 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 3: about China's Final Warning where because like throughout the entire 828 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 3: seventies when like there's all this borders be's going on 829 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 3: and even like the sixties and like something in the 830 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 3: fifties sixties, like Chinese officials feel like this is China's 831 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 3: final warning. Russia must stop and nothing would happen like this. 832 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 3: This is where we're at with like the Democrats and 833 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: being like, ah, Israel must stop doing whatever the fuck's No. 834 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 2: They're not going to do anything, like they don't give 835 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 2: a ship. Yeah, no, We've cried both so many time. 836 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: It's clearly not an issue that Harris feels like it's 837 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: going to lose her the election. Yeah, and then whoever wins, 838 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: we got four more years of turning a fire hose 839 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: of money and weapons on children in Palestine and apparently 840 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: Serier in Lebanon as well. So yeah, it's great, It's 841 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: all great. I'm afraid. Yeah, this has not been a 842 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: good news episode. I hope people who have family have 843 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: friends who are in Lebanon, Like, I hope people who 844 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: have family there were doing Okay, I know it sucks, 845 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: it could happen. 846 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 2: Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 847 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 848 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 3: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio, app, 849 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 3: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can 850 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 3: now find sources for it could happen here. 851 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: Listened directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.