1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. Let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants, get out on the Giants Bubbling, give 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: me some job. Part of the Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: Let's roll. Welcome to another edition of the Giants Shuttle Podcast, 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: New York Giants. I am John Schmelk. Thank you so 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: much for being with us today. We're finally just about here. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: We're only one day away. This is posting on the 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: Wednesday before the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Thank you 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: so much for being with us these past two or 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: three months. I hope you've enjoyed the content we put 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: out there getting you ready for the draft. I know 13 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: I've enjoyed doing all these interviews, doing all these shows, 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: and I really think the whole group, if you've been 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: paying attention to listening, you know exactly what's coming around one, two, three, four, 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: day three, the NFL Draft. I think we're all prepared. 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun. Hope you've enjoyed the content. 18 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: You can go back on the Giants Huddle feed, you 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: can go on the Giants YouTube channel watch some of 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: those interviews. They're all still relevant. None of them are dated, 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 2: so'll make sure you check them out. And for our 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: final guests before the NFL Draft, though. 23 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: We might squeeze in one more. 24 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: That's a TBD. 25 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: We'll see if you can get you one more special 26 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: guy to talk some quarterbacks with you. You'll have to 27 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: wait and see about that. But it's a first time 28 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: guest on the Giants Total Podcast, coming to you from 29 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: the Hackensack and Maritey Health Podcast studio. Keep getting better. 30 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: Now we welcome in our guest Todd McShay, longtime draft analyst. 31 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: We thank him for being with us and Todd, you've 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: kind of gone off and done your own media thing here, 33 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: which is pretty exciting. Tell us all about it. 34 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working with The Ringer and Spotify. We've got 35 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: the mcshae Show, which we're having a blast with. It's 36 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: myself and Steve Mench who played football with at Richmond 37 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and he's been working with me behind the scenes for 38 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty five years, so I love the man. We love 39 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: working together and got the mcshaye Report as well. Just 40 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: google it and subscribe all of our content, so we're 41 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: having fun. It's a different chapter. It's a new chapter 42 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: and honestly, I can't. I don't know that I've ever 43 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: enjoyed what I've done more than I do now. 44 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: Algan Todd, I gotta be honest with you. I've worked 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: in radio, I worked in TV. You're kind of dictated 46 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: to what you have to do based on segment length 47 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: and what people are gonna want to hear. I'm sure 48 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: you got tired of talking about the quarterbacks every draft 49 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: segmenteded in on ESPN for years. Right now you can 50 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: kind of talk about what you want to talk about. 51 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: That's got to be fun for you, right. 52 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: It's a blast. Like we do wind up doing like 53 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: full page reports on four hundred and twenty five guys 54 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: every year. And I'm not gonna you know, I've learned 55 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: a couple of things from working at ESPN, and and 56 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm obviously not gonna sit here and do two hour 57 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: shows with offensive guards from small schools and like, I 58 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: get it. But I also it's fun to be able 59 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: to actually share that work. And you know what I found, 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: honestly just from like the comments and people, I think 61 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: people appreciate that they're getting a more but also be 62 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes the process. How does this 63 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: all work? And that's been fun to share because it's 64 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: something and it's no fault of like ESPN or any 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: broadcast network. You know, you've got commercial breaks, you've got segments. 66 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: There are other you know, analysts on the show, and 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: you bounce it this, so you're kind of limited here. 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: There's there's no limits. I always said, I said, let's 69 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: try to keep it around an hour, and then we 70 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: wound up going to like an hour and forty five 71 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: minutes a show, So there we go. 72 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: It is the nature of the beast doing that stuff. 73 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, good luck with the venture, Todd. 74 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: We'rek site to see everything you have. I appreciate on 75 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: with the uh with with the ringer. Moving forward here, 76 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: so let's start high level with the giants here, Todd 77 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: at third overall, if you're sitting there, is it as 78 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: simple as all right, if I do a Quarters there, 79 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: we pick him. If Travis Hunter's there, we pick him. 80 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: Or does another player enter the chat for you? Assuming 81 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: cam Warden either Quarter or a Hunter or going one two. 82 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds simple, right, Let's just stay here 83 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: and take this great player. But obviously a lot of 84 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: due diligence goes into all of this, And at the 85 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: end of the day, the general manager, Joe Shane, he's 86 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: going to have his opinion and he's he he will 87 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: do a great job of getting the information that he 88 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: requires from every aspect of the organization. We could do 89 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: a whole show on what all those things are when 90 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: you come to a consensus on your board. And I'm 91 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: talking to people around the league. This isn't just for 92 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: the Giants, and I don't know exactly where they are 93 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: in their process, but the board's being set last week 94 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: and this week. And I've talked to some organizations like 95 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: he we finished our offense last week and this week 96 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: it's defense. But the board will be set by the 97 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: time we get to the weekend. Okay, But what's fascinating 98 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: to me and different, and the Giants are at the 99 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: epicenter of all of it. It is not normal, man. 100 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm looking at at what's Today's the seventeenth of April. 101 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: The draft is one week away, the twenty fourth. I 102 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: can't remember a year in which it's not just one quarterback, 103 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: but it's quarterbacks flying too, organizations all over the country, 104 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: and those organizations that firing up the private jet and 105 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: going to going to get workouts at the last minute. 106 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: That's different, and so it begs the question. And I 107 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: had a conversation with actually two different conversations with people 108 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: in the league this weekend, and I was kind of 109 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: closing the book on the Giants with Shadoor. That's the 110 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: right football decision. You can't pass on one of these 111 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: blue blue chip type guys, right. But information doesn't like 112 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: Joe Shane's not calling. Someone said, yeah, we're you know, 113 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: we might be taking but people are in the building, 114 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: and you know, the information kind of came out. I 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of times it's leaked, but I 116 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: was starting to get information from people in the league 117 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: who are talking to other people in the league that hey, 118 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where they would take him. I don't 119 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: know if it's at three. I don't know if it 120 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: would be trading up. I don't know if they're hoping 121 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: to eat falls. But don't close the book on Shador 122 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: to the Giants. And also they're like they're doing a 123 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: lot of work on the quarterbacks late. Then all of 124 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, chefter comes out on Monday says there's a 125 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: private workout. They're flying to Boulder. And now like reports 126 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: have come out that that it's not just Boulder for Shador, 127 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: it's for Boulder to Tuscaloosa to is it Louisville after 128 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: the for Tyler Shuck. Okay, so we got we got Shadoor, 129 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Milroe and Shuck and they already had a private workout 130 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: for Jackson Dark. I'll say this, looking at the landscape, right, 131 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Schador goes in the top ten picks. 132 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going nine to New Orleans. Now. 133 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: Things have changed in New Orleans with New Orleans with 134 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: Derek Carr with the shoulder injury, right, so there's more 135 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: urgency there. But I also look at this like they 136 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: just hired a head coach and Kellen Moore, Who's last 137 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: three o C jobs were Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert and 138 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts. Yeah, pretty good, pretty good, but all 139 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: but there's some similarities. They're not all the same height 140 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: or the same weight, they all run different forties and 141 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: have different arms, but they all are sturdy, mobile, stronger 142 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: armed quarterbacks. That's Jackson Dark. Chadoor is precision, fast processing, 143 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: ball placement, layering the ball accurately, all those things. So 144 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Chador is going at nine. I don't 145 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: think New Orleans want to take a quarterback at nine. 146 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: I think you've got three teams and maybe more, but 147 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: three teams that very very like. I think it's a 148 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: high probability that the three teams Cleveland at two, Giants 149 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: at three, Saints at nine all want to take the 150 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: players they should take in those positions. Like I can't 151 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: live knowing that Abduall Carter is gonna be prowling around 152 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: the NFL and not on my defense, right, that would 153 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: be the mindset. Same with Travis Hunter for Cleveland. And 154 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: so now we've got them sitting at thirty three Cleveland, 155 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: thirty four for the Giants, and forty for New Orleans. 156 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden, these organization private 157 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: planes crossing in the night, going to all these different 158 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: spots and trying to figure out that secondary market for 159 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback with Shador and Jackson Dart and Tyler Shuck 160 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: and Jaln Milroe. And I don't know, maybe it's I'm 161 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: crazy and I'm too involved with this. I think it's 162 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating that this much work is going in this 163 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: late in the process for these guys, and I can't 164 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: wait for the first night of the draft when that music, 165 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, the ding ding ding comes in and it's 166 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: like they have traded their pick. Whether it's Atlanta at 167 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: fifteen only have five pick in the entire draft, Minnesota 168 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: at twenty four only have four picks. Those are the 169 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: teams with the fewest picks in the draft, or another 170 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: team that we don't suspect at this point. At some 171 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: point we're gonna hear that that noise. Come on, GADeL 172 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: to the mic and trick the pick has been traded. 173 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: The New York Giants are now on the clock, you know. 174 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: So that's that to me, is the story of the 175 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: entire draft. 176 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have Pittsburgh sitting there at twenty one, right. 177 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Twenty one, And that's why I'm saying teams have to trade. Yeah, 178 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: if you want Shador, everyone, there's there's a big you know, 179 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: post it up there. If you want Shador, it's gotta 180 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: be before twenty one. That's all my intel and everyone 181 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: I talked to in the league. Tomlin likes him a lot, 182 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: but they don't have a second round pick. I don't 183 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: think they're gonna move up for him. If he falls there, wonderful, 184 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: but everyone knows if we want shador, we got to 185 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: get up ahead of twenty one. 186 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: The Giants Total podcast is brought to you by Citizens, 187 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. From game 188 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: day celebrations to your everyday financial needs, Big Blue fans 189 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: can get the most out of every moment with Citizens. 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com slash Giants. 191 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: Huddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here, 192 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great. 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: How do we make that happen? I don't know, but 194 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Citizens does? 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: It makes sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank 196 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: of ELI Manning, Yeah, I'm with you on that. So 197 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: when you look at the second group of quarterbacks, let's 198 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: say you can't move up and get your door, and 199 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: you're sitting there at thirty four, and maybe all three 200 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: of the you guys might not be there, maybe Cleveland 201 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: picks one or whatever. But if you're breaking down Milroe 202 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: versus Darton verse, shuck, how do you come down in 203 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: that debate for a particular second round quarterback? 204 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. We all like to rank them, right, 205 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I make a living off of ranking guys, 206 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: and what could they be any different? Though? You know 207 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: what I mean would be any different. Yeah, I mean truly, 208 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: I just I just told you. Schador is precision, kind 209 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: of West Coast fast processing accuracy. Dart stronger, arm, more mobile, 210 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: sturdy build the thing with Dart that I loved. And 211 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: I I look at Brian Dable and I look at 212 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: his history, then you know he had I think he 213 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: had Jalen Hurts right, obviously he had Josh Allen, Daniel Jones. So, 214 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: and I can't express to you how much I how 215 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: much respect I have for Brian Dable in terms of 216 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: the offensive mind, developing quarterbacks and offensively. So I'm excited 217 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: for one of these guys to get with him and 218 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: for him to have a fresh start with a quarterback 219 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: that has legitimate upside. I was never a Daniel Jones guy, 220 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: and I don't I won't shy away from that, but 221 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: I just think he fits right. But Jackson Dart, he 222 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: comes from an offense where Lane Kiffin gave a lot 223 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: of the answers before the test. Ye, the concepts like 224 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: they run that sale concept to the left side Florida. 225 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: They were in it three times. The first time it's 226 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: a dropped past, second time its completion. Third time they 227 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: went to the well too often, but he still threw it. 228 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: And so the question you're asking yourself as an evaluator 229 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: and the reason why you have these meetings and you 230 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: bring him to your building, then you fly out to 231 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: down to you know, Oxford, Mississippi, is because you want 232 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: to study his mind. Here's here's an install here's packages. 233 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: All right, recite it to me, you know, run it back. 234 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: What did you see on this watching tape? All those 235 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: things to try to figure out is it just because 236 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Lane gave it to him he didn't have to, or 237 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: is this something Lane had to protect. So that's the 238 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: fascinating part with Dark And then it's kind of obvious 239 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: with Jalen, like the processing is not there yet. He 240 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: had different coordinators three years. But this is a guy 241 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: who's got like a three six seven grade point average. 242 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Most beloved guy I can remember, outside of maybe Will 243 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: Anderson and Tyler Booker. Their their offensive Like people just 244 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: love the human being and is patient and is the 245 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: kind of human being that will sit back and wait 246 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: and allow the organization to develop him and won't be 247 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: pushy and won't you know, not looking to go somewhere else. 248 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of intrigue there, but that's like 249 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: a two year project. Yeah, I think Jackson Dart to 250 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: me is a one year. You're looking at twenty twenty 251 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: six with Dart, and you can play him this year, 252 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, at some point if you need to. But 253 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: with Milroe, you're looking at twenty twenty seven before you're 254 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: probably comfortable handing him those keys to the organization. 255 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: All right, if you don't go quarterback, then at thirty four, Todd, 256 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: I think the Giants need a defensive tackle next to 257 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: next to Lawrence, they could use a guard. This is 258 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: a good trench draft, especially on the defensive line. They 259 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: have picks at thirty four, sixty five, ninety nine to 260 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: one to five, so they got four picks really in 261 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: the meat of this draft where you can get a 262 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: lot of good players. How would you manage those groups 263 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: with guard, defensive tackle in terms of maximizing your value 264 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: while maybe not trying to overlook you know, tight end 265 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: and running back where it's just a really good class. 266 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: You probably want to get guys at those spots. 267 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, it's interesting. I mean the guard class, you've 268 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: got two that could go in the first round. I 269 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: mentioned Booker from Alabama, he's probably he will be off 270 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the board. I think it's very likely but not certain, 271 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: that Gray z Abel will be off the board. The 272 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: North Dakota State who's awesome during his career there and 273 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: then showed up at the Senior Bowl and did what 274 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: guys like Toront Armstead and mar Pett and Cody Mock 275 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of other smaller school guys did at 276 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. They showed like, yeah, I can do 277 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: it here too. So I think Zabel would be like 278 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: one of those gut whether it's an interior defensive lineman. 279 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that Kenneth Grant from Michigan will fall, 280 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: but you never know. And if it's not the Chargers 281 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: of twenty two, and if it's not like the last 282 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: like Kansas City or or Philly, maybe he falls into 283 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: their lap. Or a Walter Nolan who's he's got a 284 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: little bit of baggage but might be the most physically 285 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: gifted defensive tackle on this class. So there will be 286 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: options there. And the nice part about this, yeah, they 287 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: could use another running back, right, but you can get 288 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: one in the fourth round. You can get like a 289 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Devi and Neil from Kansas who was just fight out 290 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: awesome and quick twitch, and so there's a lot of 291 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: backs to get throughout this process. I think interior, defensive 292 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: line and edge and running back are the three deepest positions. 293 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up is those are 294 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: areas that they could go right. But maybe a lot 295 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: of gms at this point in time having these conversations, 296 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: it's a lot about the combo picks, if you will, like, 297 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: all right, like, yeah, we have the same grade on 298 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: on this or let's say offensive tackle, right, just yeah, 299 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: there's like five of them. And after that, like, I 300 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: literally I can't find a guy that I would put 301 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: my name on and say I'm very c I feel 302 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: great about the fact he's going to be a good 303 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: starter in the league. And so yeah, I might have 304 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: a higher grade on an Ashton Jenty than I do 305 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: want a Will Campbell. But if I don't take Campbell here, 306 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm not getting the tackle. And that's that's kind of it. 307 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: If I take Campbell here, the offensive tackle, I can 308 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: get Travon Henderson, I can get Quinn Shawn Judkins, you 309 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, so, so gms are it's 310 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: it's about the board, right, But at the end of 311 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: the day, they have to think step ahead of if 312 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I if I don't, and I think spy tech. The 313 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: GM for the Raiders came out and talked told sorry 314 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: about about Bury the safety, and there was a corner 315 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden, I think when he was in Cleveland that 316 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: same mindset. And I'm sure that those are the scenarios 317 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: that Joe Shane and the Giants organization are kind of 318 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: going through now as they look beyond just when do 319 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: we take Shador? Do we take Shador? Do we take 320 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks? Like there's a whole draft out 321 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: there beyond these first two picks. 322 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 323 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your man. 324 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 325 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you should talk to citizens. Hey, I can also talk 326 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: long care. I'd like to learn about a mow routine. Yes, 327 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I knew I could help make sense of your money 328 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: with citizens. 329 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: All right, So I'm gonna end here our final question. 330 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: If you, if you were the Giants GM build the 331 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: ideal Giants draft class, what does it look like Sunday morning? 332 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: You wake up you feel great about what the Giants 333 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: did in this year's draft. 334 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: I would if if the opportunity he's presented, I would 335 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: take Abdul Carter at three. I don't think you can 336 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: pass on him. We'll see what the future holes with Cavon, 337 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Thibodeau and just the thought of having Thibodeau, Burns and 338 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Carter prowling on like a third and eight, third and nine, 339 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, like. 340 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: With Dexter, who right like like we don't have to 341 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: score a ton of points now, you know, So that 342 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: would be my I just that would be not easy, 343 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: but that would be the decision I would make. 344 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Then it would be obviously with working in conjunction with Brian, 345 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: but I would like to think I haven't had any 346 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: conversations with him specifically about this that like a guy 347 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: like Dart and Tyler Shuck, those two guys that he 348 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: sees in them a lot of stuff he could work with. 349 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: I would then have conversations. I think Minnesota would be 350 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: the jumping off point kind of get back into the 351 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: first round, because I'm afraid of Cleveland moving up. I'm 352 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: afraid of New Orleans moving up. The Raiders are kind 353 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: of lurking back there. The Jets, you never know, like, 354 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: so I would I would move back in. Unfortunately, it 355 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: might require giving up one of those two third round 356 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: picks this year, but not a second next year, because 357 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: if you're going up for Shador, you got to do 358 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: it ahead of twenty one, and so you're in that 359 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: like eleven, twelve to nineteen twenty range, okay, And if 360 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: that's the guy you've committed to, then you're probably gonna 361 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: have to go closer to ten than you are to 362 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: twenty because because New Orleans and Cleveland are still lurking 363 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: there as well. So I would. I would hope that 364 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: Brian would be in lockstep, that Jackson dark Can could 365 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: do what we need him to do, and maybe we 366 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: can get away with moving up in that in the 367 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: twenties rather than the teens. We'll give away a third 368 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: this year, but we still have another third we got. 369 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: We'll still have seven overall picks, and we're not giving 370 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: away our second next year. We're not giving away our 371 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: first next year. We have our full sight a year 372 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: from now. That that would be how I would attack things. 373 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: If again, that's assuming someone will trade out. That's assuming 374 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: Brian is a lockstep and the ownerships. Hey, it's also 375 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: assuming ownership's not involved in this decision, and the Giants, 376 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: like many other organizations, when it comes to this high 377 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: profile of a decision with the quarterback position in that market, 378 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: with the guy like Shador out there, you never know 379 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: what last minute curve ball can be thrown in for 380 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: the general manager. 381 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 2: Todd, I could talk draft all day with you. Do 382 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: like Shamar Turner, Vers, Darius Alexander dig deep on the return? 383 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: You like Turner? There you go, Todd awesome stuff. Guys. 384 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: Go find the McShay show on YouTube. Go subscribe to 385 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: the McShay Report. Google search it. Todd awesome stuff. Thanks 386 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: so much of the time. Let's talk again soon. 387 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: All right, absolutely, but good luck. Have a fun draft week. 388 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: Hey you two man, that's Todd McShay again. Make sure 389 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: you go check out the McShay show, The McShay Report 390 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: courtesy of The Ringer. You can just search for mcshae report. 391 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: You can subscribe. It gets you as draft ranking is 392 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Todd's awesome. We'll she had more 393 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: time with him, but I was very happy. We'll get 394 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: him on the show, first time we've ever had him 395 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: on the gihns Little Podcast. Try to get a couple 396 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: of first timers every year. Was happy to make Todd 397 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: one of those guys here in twenty twenty five, and 398 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: again we might have one more, maybe one more before 399 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: Draft nine. 400 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: On The Johns Little Podcast. 401 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: We'll see. I'm working on it. It would be a 402 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: fun surprise, something that's been on before. But I want 403 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: to get his insight if we can get him, so 404 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: we'll see if that works out. Guys, thanks for being 405 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: with us all Draft season long on The Johns Little 406 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: Podcast from the Hackensack Meridian Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting 407 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: better for our guest, Todd McShay. I am John Schmulk. 408 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on this episode of The 409 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: Johns Little Podcast. Brought to you by Citizens, the official 410 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: bank of the New York Giants.