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Speaker 3: Welcome One, hang Out, Welcome to the Just Baseball Show.
Speaker 3: It is Thursday, July thirtieth. That's Ryan Finkelstein. I am
Speaker 3: Peter Roppol and Jack mcmullon will join us a little
Speaker 3: bit later because Buster only of ESPN is here to
Speaker 3: break down the latest buzz surrounding the trade deadline. But
Speaker 3: first Think and I are going to go over this
Speaker 3: Angels Rangers trade. Chase Silseth Logan o'hafy is going to
Speaker 3: Texas in exchange for a nineteen year old prospect in
Speaker 3: flow Away. We're also gonna do some mock trades for
Speaker 3: Zach Netto seems like he's gonna be available now and
Speaker 3: Emerson Hancock before we get to that interview. And then
Speaker 3: Ryan and I are going to react to again Buster's
Speaker 3: latest buzz on the trade deadline. And it is all
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Speaker 3: Bink loaded show today before we get to all of
Speaker 3: the different topics. You are the managing editor over on
Speaker 3: Just baseball dot com and we have so many great
Speaker 3: articles coming out surrounding the deadline. Can you kind of
Speaker 3: break down what people have already seen and what they
Speaker 3: should expect as we get down to the deadline.
Speaker 4: But we have been in the lab myself and Jay,
Speaker 4: one of our talented writers who does prospect stuff for us.
Speaker 4: We made so many mock trades, couple separate, two hours
Speaker 4: zoom calls, just kicking ideas back and forth. We have
Speaker 4: mock trades out right now on schoogle. I did an
Speaker 4: article today about CJ. Abrams and just the absurd trade value.
Speaker 4: He would have if you were to get deut We
Speaker 4: talked about who else we've done, Joe, Ryan Mox we've done.
Speaker 4: We're having some articles out there for specific teams who
Speaker 4: are buyers mock trades to a perfect deadline. So just
Speaker 4: browse the site. There's a lot of good stuff right now,
Speaker 4: just previewing everything that could unfold hopefully starting this weekend.
Speaker 3: Here a lot of mocks, a lot of analysis, but
Speaker 3: we have an actual trade again. Yesterday we saw the
Speaker 3: alert the Angels have traded away Logan o'happy, their catcher,
Speaker 3: well kind of, and Chase Silseth, a reliever to the
Speaker 3: Rangers in exchange for nineteen year old prospect in low
Speaker 3: Ay and his name I think is Angel Eredondo. So
Speaker 3: sil Seth has a two seven to two ERA across
Speaker 3: what forty plus innings, and Logan o'happy has had a
Speaker 3: terrible season. So I tweeted out, I have no idea
Speaker 3: why the Angels would do this, And I thought to myself,
Speaker 3: that was a really dumb tweet because I feel like
Speaker 3: I know why the Angels did it. I just vehemently
Speaker 3: disagree with their reasoning. So I look at this trade
Speaker 3: and I say, that's what you think of Logan o'happy.
Speaker 3: Now I get it. Logan o'happy. You pull up the
Speaker 3: Baseball Savant page and it's disgusting. I mean, it looks
Speaker 3: like the ocean everything is blue. This season over two
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty four abs. He's hitting two oh nine,
Speaker 3: he's hit four homers, he's got a five sixty six ops.
Speaker 3: I understand that this season his value is completely tanked.
Speaker 3: Last year was also a negative war season out of him.
Speaker 3: But then I think to myself, he's twenty six years old.
Speaker 3: You look at spa track and he's making about eight
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars this year. He's heading into ARB two
Speaker 3: next year, which is going to be very very low.
Speaker 3: This was a salary dump trade that you would expect
Speaker 3: a thirty two year old to be attached, who's got
Speaker 3: no future and is making fifteen million dollars. This is
Speaker 3: Logan o'happy, the twenty six year old catcher that you
Speaker 3: the Angels traded for in exchange for Brandon Marsh. So
Speaker 3: not only did you clearly lose that trade, but on
Speaker 3: top of it, you send Chase Silseth, who is one
Speaker 3: of eight relievers this season to post an ERA plus
Speaker 3: over one fifty, meaning his era is fifty percent better
Speaker 3: than league average with ten strikeouts per nine. And he's
Speaker 3: also cheap, and he's also twenty six years old in
Speaker 3: exchange for what John Mozelock says could be a top
Speaker 3: ten prospect in the system, but what everyone else says
Speaker 3: is outside everyone's top thirty. So we'll see if he's right.
Speaker 3: I'd venture to say that he might be wrong, but
Speaker 3: again i'd love to be wrong. But that's at least
Speaker 3: my take right now. This is John Mozaeylock coming in,
Speaker 3: and I don't think with enough time to really evaluate
Speaker 3: what Logan o'hoppy is right. He was hired not that
Speaker 3: long ago and then he just said I feel like
Speaker 3: he looked at a spreadsheet and just said, all right,
Speaker 3: this is something that we don't want to pay, so
Speaker 3: we're just gonna get rid of him, when in reality,
Speaker 3: I personally would not give up on a twenty six
Speaker 3: year old catcher who two years ago hit twenty home
Speaker 3: runs and was a two win player and was actually
Speaker 3: graded out pretty well defensively. Did he just lose everything
Speaker 3: in two years or when the Angels acquired him pushed
Speaker 3: him up to the bigs too, fast at twenty two
Speaker 3: years old and didn't help him develop. So it's the
Speaker 3: Angel's fault for what happened to Logan o'happy. And then
Speaker 3: this new GM who I feel like didn't put in
Speaker 3: enough time to really realize what kind of asset Logan o'
Speaker 3: hoppy is and then dump him to a division rival.
Speaker 3: I hated this trade. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think, look, when I initially saw it,
Speaker 4: I had a similar action to you, and then I
Speaker 4: looked a little goo of Hoppy a little bit closer,
Speaker 4: and I kind of understood that side of it to
Speaker 4: a degree. You have two years of control after this season.
Speaker 4: That he is an arbitration I'm seeing on fangrasts two
Speaker 4: point six million dollars. But regardless, I can understand to
Speaker 4: a certain extent moving on from Ohapi, I guess like.
Speaker 3: I can understand that. But giving up right now.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean it's like I don't think that
Speaker 4: Ohapi helped. I don't think Ohapi is a positive trade
Speaker 4: asset with what he's done the last two years. So
Speaker 4: to water down a legitimate trade asset and sell set
Speaker 4: that doesn't make sense. Like at that point, just cut o'hppy,
Speaker 4: like like, that's the part that that's kind of confusing
Speaker 4: about this is it feels like you watered down a
Speaker 4: trade asset by including o'hapi, or the Rangers really wanted him,
Speaker 4: but then you would have gotten more of a return.
Speaker 4: You get one prospect back for two big leaguers. It's
Speaker 4: it's a weird trade. The two trades that we have
Speaker 4: seen so far have both like completely put my mind
Speaker 4: in a pretzel, Like I don't understand what Breslo thought
Speaker 4: when he traded early for me. And at least that
Speaker 4: one is a little more justifiable this one, like it's
Speaker 4: hard to see exactly what the AMers are getting unless
Speaker 4: they just love this prospect.
Speaker 3: And on top of the two, you're sending him to
Speaker 3: a division rival who has needs for a catcher and
Speaker 3: a reliever, so you're helping your own division rival out
Speaker 3: in a trade where you've just decided that Logan o'hoppy
Speaker 3: has sunk goods and he might be. He might but
Speaker 3: a lot of people are very quick to just look
Speaker 3: at the Baseball Savant page, post it on their Twitter
Speaker 3: and say this guy is terrible and done and he'll
Speaker 3: never be anything. Have we not learned, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: Have we not learned that guys can bounce back, that
Speaker 3: young players with talent have the ability to maybe have
Speaker 3: a change of scenery.
Speaker 4: Well, like it's the other thing too, for him to.
Speaker 3: Be the guy he was two years ago when he
Speaker 3: hit twenty home runs and graded as an above average
Speaker 3: defensive catcher. We're acting like that that's impossible, because that's
Speaker 3: what the trade is. That Logan o' hoppies bounce back
Speaker 3: is impossible.
Speaker 4: What makes it worse the Rangers optioned him as soon
Speaker 4: as they acquired him. He had three options. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: like you had time to just parko Hoppy and triple
Speaker 4: A for a couple of years and see if you
Speaker 4: can work back to the big leagues as an above
Speaker 4: average bat. Again. So it's like, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the rush was that, Like you had to dump him
Speaker 4: right now and he had not top of mind, actually
Speaker 4: watered down in one of your better trade assets.
Speaker 3: And it's not that much money, right you say two
Speaker 3: million on spa track. You know, it gets complicated with
Speaker 3: arbitration and stuff. He's entering ARB two, But my guess
Speaker 3: is in ARB two he's going to make almost nothing.
Speaker 3: What Is it going to be a total of five
Speaker 3: million dollars? Is that what they saved? Is that worth
Speaker 3: it for all of Twitter to bag on you like
Speaker 3: those optics, all of it, and then on top of it,
Speaker 3: forget o' hoppy for a second, forget them. Chase Silseth
Speaker 3: is a solid reliever. I understand that the underlying metrics,
Speaker 3: like is expected is fifth as exit. All the NERD
Speaker 3: numbers are like a mid threes to high three ZRA,
Speaker 3: which tells us that his mid two ZRA is probably
Speaker 3: not going to last. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: because his walk rate is just pretty inflated about twelve
Speaker 3: to thirteen percent. He's elite at limiting hard contact thirty
Speaker 3: two percent hard hit rate that's in the ninety third percentile.
Speaker 3: He gets a ton of whiffs both in the zone
Speaker 3: and out of the zone because he sits ninety six
Speaker 3: miles an hour with his fastball with a really good
Speaker 3: developing splitter. Now I'm not saying he's an elite reliever,
Speaker 3: but I think he's a very solid sixth maybe seventh
Speaker 3: inning guy who will help every big league club, including
Speaker 3: the Rangers. And people are calling me dramatic in the comments. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I am. This is my real visceral reaction from the
Speaker 3: trade because I didn't understand it for so many reasons.
Speaker 3: But probably don't need to keep ranting on a trade
Speaker 3: that probably ends up kind of being nothing. But it
Speaker 3: did piss me off because I just felt it was
Speaker 3: a nothing by a GM who came in and was
Speaker 3: just like, I'm slashing prices. Take them. I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna worry about it. It's like, all right, we moved
Speaker 3: on from perryman Ossi and we're hoping for better days ahead,
Speaker 3: and this just felt like one of Perry's really bad moves.
Speaker 4: Well, especially because you had four and a half years
Speaker 4: of control of pil Seth. I mean, like, I this
Speaker 4: is another one. I felt the same way with the
Speaker 4: Red Sox trading earlier, where it's like, did you canvas
Speaker 4: the league first? Like are there some teams that need
Speaker 4: relievers right now? But like we could have beaten that
Speaker 4: package for a reliever with four and a half years control.
Speaker 4: So that's the other part of it too, is you know,
Speaker 4: it's like, why did you feel like you had to
Speaker 4: make this trade right now? It you know what, and
Speaker 4: maybe maybe mosaalics, right, maybe this prospect they got back
Speaker 4: in two years. We're eating our words and he's a
Speaker 4: real impact guy for them. But I mean, what do
Speaker 4: you hear right now? He like the all I read
Speaker 4: was potential utility infielder one day. So it's not like
Speaker 4: get you netted some incredible prospects. It's it's a weird trade.
Speaker 3: It is a weird trade, and we are getting some
Speaker 3: pushback in the comments section from Tyler mcduffee two five
Speaker 3: four eight the trade is overblown. Sil Seth is mid
Speaker 3: and O'HOPI is ass still Seth walks everyone and gives
Speaker 3: up a ton of inherited runners. Sil Seth has four
Speaker 3: years but no options. He's a bad run from a DFA.
Speaker 3: I guess I just have to completely disagree with you
Speaker 3: completely two years ago. I don't know, Tyler, if you're
Speaker 3: an Angels fan. Two years ago you were not saying that.
Speaker 3: I guess we've just given up a twenty six years old.
Speaker 3: We've given up completely. I'm not going to sil Seth
Speaker 3: is mid by what metric, not era, not even his
Speaker 3: underlying era predictors. He does have a walk problem. He's
Speaker 3: not a perfect reliever, but he's twenty six and you
Speaker 3: say it's a risk because he doesn't have any options.
Speaker 3: What if I just think he's gonna pitch, well, would dead?
Speaker 3: And why would you even dfa if he does have
Speaker 3: a bad run. He's a twenty six year old converted
Speaker 3: starter with good stuff, so why would you even be
Speaker 3: a fan? So agree to disagree in the comment section.
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Speaker 3: You came up with this article or many of our
Speaker 3: other great writers on Just Baseball dot com zach netto
Speaker 3: mock trades. Clearly the Angels are open for business, so
Speaker 3: this one seemed very far fetched to me a few
Speaker 3: days ago. And now there's a possibility that everybody of
Speaker 3: value on the Angels could be on the move. So
Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to entertain some Zachnetto mock trades.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Jay I wrote the article, but I
Speaker 4: also had include one of these mock trades in another
Speaker 4: article that we did where we were just breaking down
Speaker 4: kind of it's kind of a one stop shot for
Speaker 4: all the mock trads are putting out there, and so
Speaker 4: for the Netto part of that article, I remember writing
Speaker 4: multiple times like, we don't see twenty five year old
Speaker 4: shortstops with three and a half years of control getting traded,
Speaker 4: and so just that idea is kind of crazy. But
Speaker 4: if you are trying to restart a whole new rebuild
Speaker 4: here and you're looking at a trade market that doesn't
Speaker 4: have a lot of right handed bats, in particular at
Speaker 4: the shortstop position or just in the infield, zach Netto
Speaker 4: is a guy that absolutely, you know, should get them
Speaker 4: a big haul that would be worth moving them. So
Speaker 4: it's an interesting concept, but I think they can. They
Speaker 4: can definitely do well here. It's just a matter of
Speaker 4: which team ponies up and gives them the best possible return.
Speaker 4: I got. I got three mock trades here that are
Speaker 4: in the article that we can go through.
Speaker 3: Talk to me and I'm excited because with Netto, I
Speaker 3: really don't know what to think about him because you
Speaker 3: look at some of the defensive metrics and they certainly
Speaker 3: don't love him, but when I physically watch him, because again,
Speaker 3: defensive metrics are sometimes so tough because it's about defensive
Speaker 3: positioning right one year, a guy could be a lot
Speaker 3: better than the other. It's about where you're playing, like
Speaker 3: all this different stuff. I think defensive metrics are some
Speaker 3: of the metrics that I have the toughest time believing
Speaker 3: out of all the data that we have in Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball. I think he's a fine defender, but I
Speaker 3: want to focus on the bat because this guy's striking
Speaker 3: out a ton, striking out a ton thirty percent clip
Speaker 3: and it feels like he's selling out for power and
Speaker 3: he's just trying to get to thirty home runs. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I wonder if he was on
Speaker 3: a competitive team, would that be his mo where he's
Speaker 3: just selling out for power like that? Because I know
Speaker 3: that he has more in the tank, and that's why
Speaker 3: he's such an intriguing player to try for. If you
Speaker 3: were to go to Boston, if you were to go
Speaker 3: to another team that needs a shortstop in the middle
Speaker 3: of a playoff run. Do we get the best version
Speaker 3: of zach Netto that we've ever seen when already the
Speaker 3: version that has quote unquote problems is still pretty damn good.
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm very curious to see hear what
Speaker 3: these mocks are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will to add on to that. I mean,
Speaker 4: the one reason why I could understand the Angels moving
Speaker 4: him is because while zach Netto has been a pretty
Speaker 4: much walking three to three and a half win shortstop
Speaker 4: year and you're at with a WRC plus round one, ten, one, fifteen,
Speaker 4: he hasn't gotten to the level of being the thirty
Speaker 4: thirty short stop who's putting up five win season. So
Speaker 4: a team that's trading for him might expect that they
Speaker 4: can get a little bit more and get him to
Speaker 4: that higher ceiling. The thing that you're also getting, though,
Speaker 4: is you're getting that floor, which is why I think,
Speaker 4: you know, for a lot of these teams would be
Speaker 4: a no brainer to try trade for him. The Red
Speaker 4: Sox is the first mock we have, and this one,
Speaker 4: I wonder if they can actually pull this up off.
Speaker 4: This would be a trade where they would be getting
Speaker 4: zach Netta without giving up one of their top two
Speaker 4: prospects if they wouldn't want to part with, which is
Speaker 4: Franklin Arius, who's I think number three on our top
Speaker 4: one hundred, and then Anthony Anson, who has like a
Speaker 4: one to one three er this year, a pitching prospect
Speaker 4: that's just absolutely disgusting. But Tyson Witherspoon's also a very
Speaker 4: good pitching prospect. He would be one of the headliners here.
Speaker 4: He was drafted fifteenth overall last season, so you're getting
Speaker 4: a recent first round pick. You're getting Marcella Meyer in
Speaker 4: this deal, who could become your stop gap at shortstop.
Speaker 4: You got Marcus Phillips, another pitcher, and Joline Cespitez, so
Speaker 4: a four for one deal. Witherspoon would be the biggest
Speaker 4: piece you're getting back. But Meyer's a plug and play guy,
Speaker 4: so I think, uh, that's one that I like, and
Speaker 4: to run through the other packages that we can get
Speaker 4: it to each one you got for the Rays. They
Speaker 4: have an unbelievable farm system. Brody Hopkins top fifty prospect
Speaker 4: in baseball right now, he's the starting pitcher. Caden Bonine
Speaker 4: is tearing the cover off the ball. It's a catching
Speaker 4: prospect who's in double A. Now they got him back
Speaker 4: in the Boz trade and Xavier Isaac, who is I
Speaker 4: believe a first base prospect, another really promising bat the Mariners.
Speaker 3: Real quick, real quick on Xavier Isaac, former top one
Speaker 3: hundred guy that fell out due to some injuries and
Speaker 3: he struggled at the plate. But he's had a better
Speaker 3: season this year, so that's still While he's not a
Speaker 3: top one hundred guy, he is certainly a really solid prospect.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And then the Mariners trade, which we're talking about
Speaker 4: Hancock after Neto. That's the swap right there. It's Emerson
Speaker 4: Hancock going to the Angels. They also get Corbyn Dixon
Speaker 4: and out Or Dickerson and outfield prospect in the deal
Speaker 4: as well. But that's that's pretty much a self explanatory
Speaker 4: deal there where the Angels are getting a pitture they
Speaker 4: can sign to their rotation for four and a half seasons,
Speaker 4: and the Mariners get Neto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, And also Podcast P gave me
Speaker 3: this to be clear, Xavier Isaac fell off the top
Speaker 3: one hundred due to a brain tumor. I said injury.
Speaker 3: It wasn't exactly sure what it was, but that's you know,
Speaker 3: clearly tough, and it's so glad to see him battling
Speaker 3: back right there. So I like the fit with all three.
Speaker 3: All three makes sense. I'm just gonna cut the Mariners one.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's because I believe the Angels won't do
Speaker 3: another in division trade for their best asset. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: please don't trade zech netto within your division, even though
Speaker 3: I think it's a solid package. I like the Raise
Speaker 3: package the most. Yeah, But I think then what separates
Speaker 3: it is if the Angels say we need Franklinarius, a
Speaker 3: top three prospect in all of baseball, the second best
Speaker 3: shortstop prospect to Hay sus Made and the Milwaukee Brewers,
Speaker 3: you take your pick. Arm has even said, if you
Speaker 3: can try to tell me that Franklinarius is the nuber
Speaker 3: one prospect in baseball, Like, I'm not going to argue
Speaker 3: that much with you, Like that's how good of a
Speaker 3: prospect he is. I wonder what the Red Sox would say.
Speaker 3: They and the Angels could say, give us Arius and
Speaker 3: one more solid piece, we don't need all the rest
Speaker 3: of the guys in the steal. Do you think the
Speaker 3: Red Sox would go that far because they just tried
Speaker 3: to get the right handed bat. They need a right
Speaker 3: handed bat on the infield, and Curtis mead unfortunately it's
Speaker 3: nothing that you can control. Got hit on the wrist
Speaker 3: and is now going to be out for at least
Speaker 3: what four weeks? Six weeks I think it was. I
Speaker 3: think it might have been.
Speaker 4: It's either four to six or six to eight, but
Speaker 4: I mean exactly back until September.
Speaker 3: At this point, I almost feel like there's they're not desperate,
Speaker 3: but they're a level below desperate. And I don't know
Speaker 3: exactly the right word how to describe that right now,
Speaker 3: but they're a level below desperate. Do you think that's
Speaker 3: enough for them to say, all right, take Franklin, Arius,
Speaker 3: will take Zach Netto.
Speaker 4: I think you'd have a better chance prying Anthony Ainsen
Speaker 4: from them because of all the pitching depth that they have,
Speaker 4: and so maybe you swap out Witherspoon for Iyans And
Speaker 4: I just I will say in my Abrams article, I
Speaker 4: did put Arius on the table, but I just think
Speaker 4: that there while Neto is a better defender at short
Speaker 4: than Abrams, I just think that there's a different level
Speaker 4: with the season that Abrams is having Offensively, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I would do it personally, I don't think
Speaker 4: I would put Arius on the table for Neto. I
Speaker 4: think I try to do everything else but to get
Speaker 4: a deal done. Then again, if you're trying to go
Speaker 4: for it now and your Breslo and you feel like
Speaker 4: your job's in the line a little bit, I think
Speaker 4: we've seen crazier things. And I do think that in
Speaker 4: that instance, you're right, you wouldn't have to go much
Speaker 4: above Arius like Arius and one more prospect maybe gets
Speaker 4: it done, and you're basically giving up on the guy
Speaker 4: that you think could be your short step of the
Speaker 4: future for the guy that's going to be your short
Speaker 4: step of the president and can be a huge lift
Speaker 4: this season. So crazier things have happened. I wouldn't do it,
Speaker 4: but I wouldn't put it past Breslo to decide to just,
Speaker 4: you know, fire that that clip off and no matter
Speaker 4: what the reaction is from prospect Huggers, go for it
Speaker 4: this season.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think Franklinarius has to be reserved
Speaker 3: for a player that's better than Sacknetto, and I like Zacknetto.
Speaker 3: I think he's a really solid player. I think you
Speaker 3: would fit really nicely in Fenway, and I think they
Speaker 3: could unlock a little bit more with him and he
Speaker 3: could be a at least maybe twenty five to twenty
Speaker 3: five type shortstop. But from everything we hear about Franklinarius,
Speaker 3: people think he could be better than that. He's cheaper, younger,
Speaker 3: he could be up next year too, exactly. So I
Speaker 3: think that's why I've settled on the Rays. I think
Speaker 3: that's the best package because the Rays have the luxury
Speaker 3: of not feeling that package as much as other teams,
Speaker 3: and it's a loaded package. Brody Hopkins arm has come
Speaker 3: on and basically said that this guy is one of
Speaker 3: the tougher pitching prospects to evaluate in the minors just
Speaker 3: because it's either six perfect or he's walking the world.
Speaker 3: But you have that upside of a true number one guy.
Speaker 3: And Caden Bodine, he's one of the best, maybe the
Speaker 3: best defensive catcher I've ever seen watching college baseball, and
Speaker 3: he just so happens to be tearing the cover off
Speaker 3: the ball. And Xavier Isaac, a former top one hundred
Speaker 3: prospect who can really hit and play his position. I
Speaker 3: think this is a phenomenal package, and to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, I think it's a slight overpay, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, to get netto away from the Angels,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to overpay a little bit. And there
Speaker 3: are only a few systems in Major League Baseball who
Speaker 3: I think can pallet and overpay, and that's the Dodgers,
Speaker 3: who have Mookie Bets at shortstop. Of course they can
Speaker 3: move into right field. I just don't think they're gonna
Speaker 3: trade for a short stop. It would be Milwaukee Brewers
Speaker 3: who signed Cooper Pratt to a long term extension and
Speaker 3: he looks great already, so they're not gonna trade for
Speaker 3: a shortstop. And the Tampa Bay Rays, so I think
Speaker 3: that's the best fit. Before we move on to Emerson Hancock, again,
Speaker 3: thank you everybody joining here live on YouTube. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get to the buster only video or interview. Excuse me
Speaker 3: in a second, but I do want to hear what
Speaker 3: you've cooked up for Emerson Hancock, the starting pitcher on
Speaker 3: the Seattle Mariners. Young comes with the years of control.
Speaker 3: We just watched him pitch pretty damn well against the
Speaker 3: Dodgers yesterday, continuing a great season for him. He's made
Speaker 3: big adjustments going into the season. He's lowered that arm slot,
Speaker 3: he's got that sinker, he's got that great sweeper, and
Speaker 3: you're seeing the YouTube highlights now, like this guy is
Speaker 3: just nasty. When I first saw him step on the
Speaker 3: mountain this season, I immediately said the Mariner's sixth starter
Speaker 3: might be the number two or number three and a
Speaker 3: lot of rotations. I got a lot of flak for
Speaker 3: it at the time, but now it seems like that's
Speaker 3: coming to fruition, and the Mariner said, we're willing to
Speaker 3: part with him because they have a million starters and
Speaker 3: Kate Anderson might already be better than Emerson Hancock. So
Speaker 3: let's hear those mocks.
Speaker 4: So we already mentioned the tray with Netto, so I
Speaker 4: won't even get into that. But I think the bigger
Speaker 4: thing is, all right, if you're gonna trade Hancock, you're
Speaker 4: trying to improve your roster for this season. So who
Speaker 4: are the the pieces that you could try to go
Speaker 4: after here with Hancock to improve this roster for a
Speaker 4: stretch run and the highest upside guy that you can get,
Speaker 4: the guy that will probably make the biggest difference. You
Speaker 4: could trade Emerson Hancock to the Padres for Mason Miller.
Speaker 4: That gets the ball rolling and Ryan Sloan is another
Speaker 4: really good pitching prospect. So for a Padres team that
Speaker 4: maybe a one point in time major. I probably thought
Speaker 4: that Mason Miller was going to be a starting pitcher
Speaker 4: when he traded for him. Now he gets that controllable
Speaker 4: starting pitching to help this rotation that they desperately need.
Speaker 4: And if you wanted to, you could throw some more
Speaker 4: pieces onto it. But I really do think that Hancock
Speaker 4: could be the headlining piece that gets you into the
Speaker 4: door here on Mason Miller. Will the Padres actually deal
Speaker 4: and we'll find out, but they have one of the
Speaker 4: better chips to try to get that deal done now.
Speaker 4: Making a trade with the Cubs, I think Army if
Speaker 4: mentioned on the show the other day, like a matt
Speaker 4: Shaw plus prospects for Emerson Hancock deal could make some sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know if matt Shaw to me, is the
Speaker 4: past that really puts the Mariner's lineup over the top
Speaker 4: right now, but there's something to be said about a
Speaker 4: guy that has as much control as matt Shaw does.
Speaker 4: But they can plug anywhere, and the fact that the
Speaker 4: Cubs also have a farm system to maybe put some
Speaker 4: sweeteners on it. The one that I came up with
Speaker 4: kind of last minute was the Orioles. And the reason
Speaker 4: why I did is because the reporting is that the
Speaker 4: Mariners want a right handed bat and they need high
Speaker 4: leverage leavers. So what if you got Taylor Ward yner
Speaker 4: Cano and some prospects as well. That's an interesting one
Speaker 4: as far as trying to win now this season and
Speaker 4: you have a little bit of control over Cano. I
Speaker 4: think it's two and a half years. Taylor Ward's obviously
Speaker 4: a rental, but that's kind of more the most win
Speaker 4: now outside of, of course, Mason Miller. But Misson Miller is
Speaker 4: just going to require obviously a haul on top of
Speaker 4: Hancock to get that deal done.
Speaker 3: So I still just don't see an indivision trade for
Speaker 3: these two pieces. I mean, I also wonder how much
Speaker 3: the Mariners would want to try trade for a short
Speaker 3: stop just because Colt to Emerson, right, they already extended him.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be the shortstop of the future. And
Speaker 3: then you still have zach Netto for years of control.
Speaker 3: So how does that move around? It might not matter
Speaker 3: that much.
Speaker 4: Well, just a note on that one, because I was
Speaker 4: looking into it. Emerson is not having the best start
Speaker 4: right now. You could have Emerson go down to the
Speaker 4: miners for this season and you know, maybe calm up
Speaker 4: in the stretch round and give you a little bit
Speaker 4: more youth for a playoff push. But you could have
Speaker 4: him kind of work on some things, and then next
Speaker 4: year when JP Crawford hits free agency, you could slide
Speaker 4: Net over to third. So that's the way I'd look
Speaker 4: at that one if that trade came together. But like
Speaker 4: you mentioned, the indivision part of it could just be
Speaker 4: too big of a hurdle.
Speaker 3: I also got to say, the Padres one, what are
Speaker 3: you smoking. You're saying they would give up Emerson, Hancock
Speaker 3: and the number one pitching prospect in baseball and Ryan Sloan.
Speaker 3: Now I fully understand there's also Kate Anderson in that
Speaker 3: farm system, and maybe he's the number one pitching prospect
Speaker 3: in baseball. But when arm and I were talking about
Speaker 3: those two and how to rank them when we were
Speaker 3: in Philly for the All Star Game, he said he
Speaker 3: still thinks that Ryan Sloane might be better, and that
Speaker 3: he saw him at the future like this guy is
Speaker 3: top of the line. I think Ryan Sloan and other
Speaker 3: prospects might even be too much for Mason Miller. And
Speaker 3: I'm the biggest fan of Mason Miller, I think on
Speaker 3: the planet outside of San Diego. I think he's the
Speaker 3: best closer we've seen in Major League Baseball since Mariano Rivera.
Speaker 3: And then includes primer role as Chapman, Prime Craig Kimberl
Speaker 3: prime Kenlee Jansen, who I think should all be Hall
Speaker 3: of Famers. I think this is a different level. It's
Speaker 3: a different level of reliever. However, Hancock and Sloan, no way,
Speaker 3: no way, no way, it's not worth it for the Barriers.
Speaker 3: Now the next two, that's where we could start talking.
Speaker 3: And I totally agree with you. I think Matt Shaw's
Speaker 3: a good asset because of how cheap he is, how
Speaker 3: many years of control he has tore through the Miners
Speaker 3: majors hasn't exactly all the way clicked yet, and the
Speaker 3: Mariners need someone to help them win now. So I
Speaker 3: like the Matt Shaw trade in theory, but I think
Speaker 3: the Mariners are saying to themselves, if we're trading Hancock,
Speaker 3: we need someone who's gonna help us right now, and
Speaker 3: I don't know if Matt Shaw is that guy to
Speaker 3: help them right now. So I land on the Orioles package,
Speaker 3: and I think it's fascinating because the Mariners get that
Speaker 3: right handed hitding, corner outfielder. It's really solid, right used
Speaker 3: to play in that division, knows temobile well, Yen your
Speaker 3: Canoe has.
Speaker 4: Been nasty this season.
Speaker 3: It's kind of been up and down as a reliever
Speaker 3: throughout his career, but this season he looks like the
Speaker 3: classic Yann of your Canoe, who can stabilize the eighth
Speaker 3: inning and be that right handed reliever that I think
Speaker 3: the Mariners really need outside of Andres Munnos because they
Speaker 3: have two really solid lefties in Ferrara Inspire, but Brash
Speaker 3: is in and out and has been injured, really nasty,
Speaker 3: win healthy, but just hasn't been all the way healthy.
Speaker 3: So to solidify the eighth with Cano, maybe another prospect,
Speaker 3: And you mentioned who could be that additional prospect.
Speaker 4: So one prospect I put on here was you might
Speaker 4: need help with the name what he alloy? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know, high draft pick last season, right, and
Speaker 4: a guy that has had a pretty good season so far.
Speaker 4: And again that was just one name. I don't know
Speaker 4: exactly what the Mariners will be looking for in terms
Speaker 4: of prospects. It was more kind of that win now
Speaker 4: aspect of getting Ward and Cano, But that was just
Speaker 4: one name I threw on there. It could be I
Speaker 4: for I could be a couple of lottery tickets lower
Speaker 4: lower down too. I think it's a matter of if
Speaker 4: you're really pushing to win now, that orials package kind
Speaker 4: of saws everything for your roster, and it's the way
Speaker 4: you kind of reallocate what is obviously your strength right now,
Speaker 4: which is starting pitching. If they've made the assessment that
Speaker 4: they can get by this year without Hancock, and Hancock
Speaker 4: can fill out their roster, that kind of fills out
Speaker 4: their roster.
Speaker 3: So to review these four deals, the Angels, I like it.
Speaker 3: I don't see indivision. The padres you're smoking something awesome
Speaker 3: and hopefully we can talk offline about what you're smoking.
Speaker 3: I want a little piece of that. Number three, the
Speaker 3: Cubs move like. I just don't know if Matt Shaw
Speaker 3: had America is enough to win now. And I think
Speaker 3: you agree. But in theory it's perfect. In theory, it's perfect.
Speaker 3: But number four of the orioles I think is the
Speaker 3: best one. I think it helps both teams right now,
Speaker 3: solves issues I would send that in. That's probably my
Speaker 3: favorite mock trade that you've brought up so far in
Speaker 3: this entire thing. I think that's perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it a lot, and it's funny. I
Speaker 4: was the one I came up with at the very
Speaker 4: I was like just trying to find the landing spot
Speaker 4: because it's tough to find a combination of teams that
Speaker 4: are in it that would one handcocker and it had
Speaker 4: to be in it, but have the pieces that could
Speaker 4: help the Mariners win, now.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it. So now I think it's finally
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Speaker 3: We welcome on our friend Buster only of ESPN to
Speaker 3: break down the latest as the clock ticks until the
Speaker 3: trade deadline. Buster. Thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 3: time to join us again. And I think an important
Speaker 3: first question is kind of laying the groundwork for what
Speaker 3: to expect with the upcoming labor negotiations and how it's
Speaker 3: going to affect teams at the deadline. Fields inevitable that
Speaker 3: we're going to get locked out on December first, and
Speaker 3: hopefully we don't lose games, But how is that affecting
Speaker 3: decision making right now?
Speaker 6: Well, it's just greatly complicated.
Speaker 7: Anything if any player is under contract beyond the rental
Speaker 7: like depending free agents are easy, and the bulk of
Speaker 7: the players are traded before six o'clock on Monday are
Speaker 7: going to be those guys who are head of the
Speaker 7: open mark in the fall. But anytime you get players
Speaker 7: involved where it goes beyond twenty twenty six. There's all
Speaker 7: kinds of variables in play in an industry which doesn't
Speaker 7: like variables like they don't like uncertainty, you know.
Speaker 6: And there are number of those.
Speaker 7: If you have a player who, let's say that he's
Speaker 7: a free agent after twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking out loud about Joe Ryan.
Speaker 7: Not that he's out there, but you know, if you're
Speaker 7: a team that's willing to acquire him, and you try
Speaker 7: to value what you want to give up, you're willing
Speaker 7: to give up for him, Well, how do you factor
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty seven if you believe you're going to
Speaker 7: miss some of that year, all that year you're worried
Speaker 7: about existing contracts, Like for example, two weeks ago, when
Speaker 7: the Mets essentially put out this list where we're willing
Speaker 7: to trade Wan Soto or excuse me, not willing to
Speaker 7: trade Jan Soto or a group of young guys, but
Speaker 7: everyone else was in play. You know, the first name
Speaker 7: everyone went to was Francisco Lindor. My thought was, why
Speaker 7: would they be that stupid to put his name out there?
Speaker 6: What is the point of that. No one is going
Speaker 6: to take.
Speaker 7: Francisco Lindoor besides the fact he hasn't had a great year.
Speaker 7: But with the uncertainty about what the economic system is
Speaker 7: going to be going forward, who's going to take on
Speaker 7: a contract with a player making thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 6: So any player who's.
Speaker 7: Under contract beyond twenty twenty six, there's just so much
Speaker 7: uncertainty about what's to come, and you know how you
Speaker 7: fit a players under contract. And now there are exceptions.
Speaker 7: For example, you know, hearing on here on Thursday morning
Speaker 7: that Hunter Green is available, and I was told by
Speaker 7: one source it's fifty to fifty that he gets traded.
Speaker 7: He's the sort of player who has a contract that's
Speaker 7: sort of immune to that uncertainty. You know, he's making
Speaker 7: eight point three million dollars this year, he's in line
Speaker 7: to make fifteen point three million dollars in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 7: sixteen point three million dollars in twenty twenty eight, So
Speaker 7: he's a bargain right and no matter what the economic
Speaker 7: system is going forward, he's going to fit into that.
Speaker 7: It's the bigger contracts, it's the uncertainty about guys who
Speaker 7: maybe they are free agents after five years instead of
Speaker 7: six years, that I think are going to generally speaking,
Speaker 7: chase general managers to making deals for players who are
Speaker 7: pending free agents.
Speaker 8: It's interesting because it seems like based on all of
Speaker 8: the reporting from yourself and others that the market is
Speaker 8: kind of skewing to two sides of the spectrum.
Speaker 3: In the middle is very tough.
Speaker 8: So to your point about the guys that have a
Speaker 8: year and a half of control, that's bizarre, But the
Speaker 8: rental market's going to be good. And then we also
Speaker 8: see like the one big deal quote unquote that has
Speaker 8: gone through Curtis is pre rm he's.
Speaker 3: Got four and a half years of control. Apples for apples.
Speaker 6: That was an apples for apples deal.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's these guys are in the you know
Speaker 8: post whatever this offseason looks like in that post, you know,
Speaker 8: twenty six to twenty seven offseason world, they are Washington
Speaker 8: Nationals in Boston Red Sox for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3: So are we going to see.
Speaker 8: Guys that like, maybe even younger and more controllable than
Speaker 8: typical possibly get moved to this deadline or not so much?
Speaker 6: No, they're being asked about. I'll give you an example.
Speaker 7: Okay, there are a lot of teams looking for catchers,
Speaker 7: and from what I understand, there's a lot of focus
Speaker 7: on guys who are controllable, like a hoppy was a
Speaker 7: guy who fits that bill, right, and they'll run through
Speaker 7: those possibilities. Teams will run through those possibilities. And I
Speaker 7: think at the last second, knowing that you have these
Speaker 7: pending free agents, these rentals that they can grab at
Speaker 7: the last second, and there is a volume of those
Speaker 7: type of guys, especially in the starting pitching market, you know,
Speaker 7: why not explore are one Hunter Green who not only
Speaker 7: do you have the upside, not only have that player
Speaker 7: under contract, but you also can fit that player into
Speaker 7: your future economic system, whatever that is. And so I
Speaker 7: think that that's how teams are sorting through it, right.
Speaker 7: They're going through the players, possible controllables, guys who can
Speaker 7: help them beyond twenty twenty six, and then they're going
Speaker 7: back to the free agents because they are you know,
Speaker 7: those are the focus.
Speaker 3: So a fascinating team of this deadline is the Washington Nationals,
Speaker 3: who have already made a move for Connolly early and
Speaker 3: as we speak are a game above five hundred and
Speaker 3: you tweeted out this morning that they're exploring an extension
Speaker 3: for Foster Griffins similar to the Seth Lugo deal, And
Speaker 3: then my mind immediately goes to a player like CJ. Abrams.
Speaker 3: So in general, what are you hearing out of Washington.
Speaker 7: I think when we hit the deadline that that kind
Speaker 7: of early trader will be the biggest thing that the
Speaker 7: Nationals do. You know, it's always possible that they could,
Speaker 7: you know, work on the edges of their It's been
Speaker 7: a year of progress no matter what happens the rest
Speaker 7: of the year for the Nationals. That you know, incredible
Speaker 7: offense that they've had. The Foster Griffin thing makes so
Speaker 7: much sense to me, like he's been really good for them.
Speaker 7: He said a terrific year twelve and two, two seven
Speaker 7: six era. And yeah, the comparison to Lugo, I think
Speaker 7: is a natural one because we saw last year Kansas City,
Speaker 7: as we get close to the trade deadline, people wondering
Speaker 7: if Lugo is going to be traded, and they use
Speaker 7: that opportunity to go to Seth Lugan and say, hey,
Speaker 7: what about an extension and Seth Lugo, you know, like
Speaker 7: Foster Griffin this year, wasn't in a position to command
Speaker 7: a huge deal. You know, he just got back after
Speaker 7: three years in Japan, and so the Nationals will try
Speaker 7: to work something out with them.
Speaker 6: My guess is they do. I mean, when you're talking
Speaker 6: about a player who's.
Speaker 7: Gone on his path, on his journey, and with the
Speaker 7: uncertainty of the labor market, if you can go out
Speaker 7: and I'm pulling numbers out of the air, let's say
Speaker 7: three for forty five, you can grab that. Now, that
Speaker 7: would look pretty good, and I don't, but you know,
Speaker 7: we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 6: I think it's very unlikely they trade CJ. Abrams, and
Speaker 6: I've heard that from other teams.
Speaker 7: Where they're feeling is, look, you know, after this incredible
Speaker 7: year that CJ has had the Nationals, if you want
Speaker 7: a trade for him, you're gonna have to give.
Speaker 6: Up a boat load.
Speaker 7: And then we get into all those variables we were
Speaker 7: talking about before, about twenty twenty seven and beyond. It
Speaker 7: might be a difficult guy to put a price on,
Speaker 7: a difficult guy for an acquiring team to actually pay for.
Speaker 6: So I think he'll be with the Nationals through the deadline.
Speaker 8: You know what's interesting about Washington and Abrams in particular
Speaker 8: is when they traded Gore, everybody thought Abrams was a
Speaker 8: foregone conclusion because the second half slide, because Washington, over
Speaker 8: the course of Abrams' career, has always been out of it.
Speaker 8: After the all star break and Abrams production has taken
Speaker 8: a dip, but now that they're in it, he is
Speaker 8: a top ten player in baseball by ops. Is this
Speaker 8: Abrams breakout on field the largest indication of why they
Speaker 8: are holding him? Maybe it's almost like a sense of
Speaker 8: newfound riches for Paul Tibonian Washington saying we didn't know
Speaker 8: he was this good. This guy is a solidified building
Speaker 8: block along with James Wood.
Speaker 6: I think all of the above, that's definitely part of it.
Speaker 7: I also think that the timing and the labor situation
Speaker 7: that we're talking about, you know, the difficulty of getting
Speaker 7: a player in return, and let's face it, I mean,
Speaker 7: and I have not asked this question to Paul Deboni,
Speaker 7: but you know, given the defensive metrics, you wonder where
Speaker 7: Abram is going to be in two or three years.
Speaker 7: You know, he has had some struggles at shortstop, but
Speaker 7: the big thing and we have the Braves and Nationals
Speaker 7: on television tonight.
Speaker 6: So I talked to Paul Deboni recently about his improvement.
Speaker 7: I asked him, Okay, you guys have been so good
Speaker 7: on offense, who are the leaders of that? Because they
Speaker 7: had the messaging at the beginning spring training, about wanting
Speaker 7: to put in work and trying to get better, and
Speaker 7: he talked about how James Wood and CJ have really
Speaker 7: this year. It had a commanding presence in the team
Speaker 7: hitters meetings. Right, they got a good thing going, They're
Speaker 7: getting better. There's a lot of excitement about about this team,
Speaker 7: and what is the cost of ripping that up by
Speaker 7: trading CJA Abrams. Now I'm sure that's a factor as well,
Speaker 7: but from what he said, c J. Abrams would have
Speaker 7: just been right at the center of this improvement they've maathe.
Speaker 3: So speaking about Abrams, who's just a gigantic asset. I
Speaker 3: saw a clip from brit Grioli this morning, who does
Speaker 3: a great job covering baseball for the Athletic and she
Speaker 3: said that when the trade deadline takes place, like every
Speaker 3: team is using a model to assign a dollar amount
Speaker 3: to every player all the round, to the minor leagues,
Speaker 3: to kind of properly evaluate their value. So who would
Speaker 3: you say is the model's pick for the most valuable
Speaker 3: player that's available at this deadline? Because I think about
Speaker 3: Eric's Scooble, he's a rental and he's going to get
Speaker 3: paid about ten million dollars, So I don't think the
Speaker 3: model would love him. I think Mason Miller, but I
Speaker 3: also don't know if he's available, and he is a
Speaker 3: reliever at the end of the day. So I'm curious
Speaker 3: if you've heard or it's just your opinion of who
Speaker 3: might be the models pick for the most valuable player
Speaker 3: traded at this deadline.
Speaker 7: And think about it too, with some of the possible
Speaker 7: acquiring teams we've heard on Schooble to draw at your
Speaker 7: point to a larger degree, if you are a team
Speaker 7: that is looks like it's going to get a buy,
Speaker 7: if you're the Dodgers, right, how many starts are you
Speaker 7: talking about with Schooble, you know, acquiring him and the
Speaker 7: cost of acquiring him versus the cost of acquiring one
Speaker 7: of the many, many, many starting.
Speaker 6: Pitchers who are available in this marketplace, is it worth it?
Speaker 7: If you are a team that is on the fringe
Speaker 7: of maybe making the playoffs, do you feel like that
Speaker 7: that makes a difference. So it is the models are interesting,
Speaker 7: and you hear snippets when you talk to general managers
Speaker 7: that you know they're what's being spit out.
Speaker 4: Of their model.
Speaker 7: You know, Hunter Green is a good one for sure,
Speaker 7: like in terms of what his value is because he's
Speaker 7: under contract going fullward. You know, that's the one that
Speaker 7: jumps to me again, because they're not It doesn't feel
Speaker 7: like right now that there are necessarily a lot of
Speaker 7: players who are like actively being bandied about, who are
Speaker 7: under team control for another four or five years. I
Speaker 7: think that's part of the reason why there was such
Speaker 7: a you know, visceral into industry reaction to the Nationals
Speaker 7: getting getting Coin only Early because he's viewed as a
Speaker 7: really great asset and you guys know this, you've heard this.
Speaker 7: The general perception within the industry was, Man, the Nationals
Speaker 7: crushed it. I think everyone understood why the Red Sox
Speaker 7: did it.
Speaker 6: They needed a right handed hitter. That's the weakness. Right
Speaker 6: now they're trying to make the playoffs.
Speaker 7: There's probably a little bit more flexibility for Washington in
Speaker 7: terms of, you know, not worrying about as much about
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six and worrying more about a long term future. Conly,
Speaker 7: Early actually was probably a guy when you talk about
Speaker 7: value over the term of the team control that's hard
Speaker 7: to beat because they got them so early in his time.
Speaker 8: Buster, I have a question about two small market teams
Speaker 8: that perpetually will add on the margins that are apparently
Speaker 8: positioned to push a lot of chips in at this deadline.
Speaker 8: And it's the Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee Brewers yep,
Speaker 8: and both seem to be looking for a possible front
Speaker 8: line starter. Both could be fits for schoobl and both
Speaker 8: could be looking to make splashes offensively as well.
Speaker 3: What does all in actually look like for Milwaukee and Tampa?
Speaker 7: Well, I guess the two best models from small market
Speaker 7: teams in the last fifteen years, their best twenty years
Speaker 7: with CC Sabathia in two thousand and eight, right with
Speaker 7: them going for it down the stretch and CC really
Speaker 7: paying off, and the other ones in twenty fourteen when
Speaker 7: Billy Bean sort of broke away from the A's model
Speaker 7: and he traded for John Lester and Jeff Samargia and
Speaker 7: at that time giving up you know, Addison Russell, you know,
Speaker 7: is considered to be a top prospect. But it doesn't
Speaker 7: happen very often. And here's the mitigating factor. I mentioned
Speaker 7: all the starting pitchers available. Yes, Milwaukee could absolutely use
Speaker 7: a batman to the MISERRASKI. I mean, you know, a
Speaker 7: Robin to the Miserraskie Batman. Uh, you know, I had
Speaker 7: Pet Murphy on my podcast last week and he talked
Speaker 7: about how they ran out of pitching when they went
Speaker 7: through that Chicago series in the playoffs last year they
Speaker 7: got the Dodgers and they were taxed at that point.
Speaker 7: You can go out and get help in starting pitching
Speaker 7: without ripping up your farm system.
Speaker 6: You can.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's just so many guys out there, Freddie Peralta,
Speaker 7: you know, Holmes, Dustin May, Robbie Ray on and on
Speaker 7: and on.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know Gossma, Yeah, Casey miz sene Bieber.
Speaker 7: If the Tigers decided to sell on Schoogle et cetera,
Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. So there are a couple of
Speaker 7: different paths that you can go and those two organizations.
Speaker 7: Part of the sustainability that they've had, Cleveland has.
Speaker 6: Had is to be careful right and to not break
Speaker 6: out side of that model.
Speaker 7: So I I and they'll always fish, you know, Eric Neanders,
Speaker 7: you guys know will will evaluate a lot of different options,
Speaker 7: whether it's joey Otani and Freddy Freeman, and they'll look
Speaker 7: at a lot of different things and most of the time,
Speaker 7: they wind up playing more of a conservative route, and
Speaker 7: given their needs and given what they're out in the marketplace,
Speaker 7: my guess is that's where they wind up landing and.
Speaker 3: Speaking about Schooble and speaking about the Brewers and the Rays.
Speaker 3: I think the favorite, at least at this point to
Speaker 3: land Trek Schouble would be the Dodgers just makes the
Speaker 3: most sense. They need a starting pitcher. They have this
Speaker 3: glut of a system. They can give the Detroit Tigers
Speaker 3: a top twenty five prospect, one of their four major
Speaker 3: outfield prospects, plus an MLB ready starter. Who would you
Speaker 3: say is the second favorite to land Trek Scooble after
Speaker 3: the Dodgers.
Speaker 7: I mean, let's face it, if the Tigers decide they're
Speaker 7: trading Terek Schooble, and as you and I are talking
Speaker 7: right now, that is, you know, the hard message. The
Speaker 7: white smoke has not come out from the Tigers organization
Speaker 7: yet to the industry. But if they decide trade for him,
Speaker 7: the Dodgers won them. The Dodgers are going to get him,
Speaker 7: you know, they can act with more flexibility. And then
Speaker 7: one official say to me that they are hell bent
Speaker 7: on going back to back to back this year in
Speaker 7: winning championships, especially with the uncertainty of what the financial
Speaker 7: model is going to be going forward after that.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at Milwaukee.
Speaker 7: I feel like that when you have the mizz and
Speaker 7: what he represents, and you get into a short series,
Speaker 7: you have him, you know, and you had a Terrek's
Speaker 7: schoolb Good lord, how much fun would that be? You know,
Speaker 7: the top two guys in the conversation right now, who
Speaker 7: the best picture in the planet is. And look, that
Speaker 7: was a an ugly disastrous loss on Wednesday, But those
Speaker 7: first five innings.
Speaker 6: Rek Scoulbel was dealing like he is.
Speaker 7: Fully past that elbow surgery. They add, you know, up
Speaker 7: to ninety eight, ninety nine miles per hour. He's spotting,
Speaker 7: is you know, spotting his fast ball? His stuff was electric.
Speaker 7: And I know this like Mark att Nasio is the
Speaker 7: owner of the Brewers, he has that, uh. I think
Speaker 7: he has that within him to say, you know what,
Speaker 7: let's let's freaking go for it. We have this sort
Speaker 7: of team that can win. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Buster, I've got I've got another about two big buyers,
Speaker 8: and they are both on slides on varying scales. I
Speaker 8: think Atlanta has had like kind of a slow burn slide,
Speaker 8: but Philly is not playing good baseball at all right now.
Speaker 8: And you've got these two teams sitting atop the National
Speaker 8: League East, And I think a lot of Braves fans
Speaker 8: were sitting here, you know, saying, why isn't Buster talking
Speaker 8: about Atlanta going to get Treks Schooble. What does buying
Speaker 8: look like for the Atlanta Braves in the Philadelphia Phillies
Speaker 8: right now?
Speaker 7: Well, I think and also, let's face it, Atlanta isn't
Speaker 7: as steeped in their farm system as.
Speaker 6: The Dodgers or the Brewers or the Rais.
Speaker 7: They have a better farm system they did two years
Speaker 7: ago when the gar Crochet talks was going. We're going
Speaker 7: on two years ago, the Braves didn't have, right they
Speaker 7: didn't necessarily have what it took to get that deal done.
Speaker 6: They do now, but you would basically be stripping a
Speaker 6: lot of what they have.
Speaker 7: And we talked about the how the starting pitching market
Speaker 7: really is a buyer's market. The Braves are going to
Speaker 7: get somebody. They'll they'll make a deal at some point
Speaker 7: for one of those guys. And I think the Phillies too,
Speaker 7: you know, And you do wonder after the loss of
Speaker 7: Keller last week, if the need for a bullpen arm,
Speaker 7: you know, somebody who can impact the seventh and eighth
Speaker 7: inning that has gone up in the pecking order. What
Speaker 7: Dave Debrowski is going to look for. I understand Bryce
Speaker 7: Harper sentiment. You and I have heard a lot of
Speaker 7: players talk like that leading up to a trade deadline.
Speaker 7: Dave Dembrowski's history is he goes and gets players at
Speaker 7: the trade deadline, and I think he'll do that.
Speaker 6: Both those teams are going to get better before the deadline.
Speaker 3: Buster. Thank you so much for coming on. I know
Speaker 3: you're an incredibly busy man. My last question for you
Speaker 3: was just open ended. Could you leave us with a
Speaker 3: golden nugget, just something that you're here that we haven't
Speaker 3: talked about yet.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 7: Now I'm going through my rolodex exactly, man, my mental
Speaker 7: rolodex of things that are that are happening, you know,
Speaker 7: And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is a golden nugget.
Speaker 7: But I'm really curious about the Seattle Mariners because they
Speaker 7: have been baseball sleeping giant all year.
Speaker 6: You've been waiting for them to take off.
Speaker 7: And I was looking at these numbers earlier this year
Speaker 7: or earlier today about how some of their guys have performed. Right,
Speaker 7: Kyl Rawley's gone from seven point two WAR to negative
Speaker 7: zero point two War. Okay, Julio Rodriguez has gone from
Speaker 7: six point six WAR all last season to two point
Speaker 7: six this year. Josh Nayler was two point two WAR
Speaker 7: with the Mariners after they got him. He's now negative
Speaker 7: zero point one. Brian Wu has gone from four point
Speaker 7: three to zero point seven. If you're sitting in the
Speaker 7: Seattle front office, do you believe that this team could
Speaker 7: turn it around?
Speaker 6: Definitely? In Ay, you're like absolutely, what's going on here?
Speaker 6: But now? And I think still add but I kind.
Speaker 7: Of wonder if there's gonna be a proportional response, if
Speaker 7: that makes sense, Like, you know what, we'll go and
Speaker 7: do some things, but we're not going to go crazy
Speaker 7: trying to, you know, jump start this team where that
Speaker 7: the transmission just might be shot for this year.
Speaker 3: The Orioles are another confusing team to me, just because
Speaker 3: I know that they're in the same bucket. Would they sell,
Speaker 3: would they buy? Would they do it at the same time?
Speaker 3: That's what keeps rattling around in my head.
Speaker 6: Okay, And I'll just give you a thought on the
Speaker 6: Orioles here too.
Speaker 7: I mean, what was it four years ago when there
Speaker 7: were two games out in the wildcard race and they
Speaker 7: were like, eh, you know, it's okay, we're not going
Speaker 7: to compaint Pete and they traded away a couple of players. Well,
Speaker 7: if they buy this year and don't trade away players,
Speaker 7: where's the consistent threat of thought in that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 6: I mean if you weren't willing that team four years
Speaker 6: ago was so much better than this year's.
Speaker 7: Team, they were playing better and they weren't willing to
Speaker 7: augment that team at the deadline. If you do that
Speaker 7: this year, is that like pouring pink down a hole?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Buster, And thank you so much for coming on. It's
Speaker 3: always a pleasure to have you, Jackie. Got anything else or.
Speaker 8: Bones appreciates you. You are a busy man, appreciates you
Speaker 8: carving out some time. Absolutely, Yeah, and thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 8: I always love talking with you.
Speaker 7: And I apologize for the fits and starts on this thing.
Speaker 7: Messages coming in, calls coming in. It's that time of year.
Speaker 3: You're a busy mat it is that time of year. Well,
Speaker 3: Thanks again, Buster, We'll have you on again soon.
Speaker 6: All right, that sounds great, See you guys.
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Speaker 3: Thank you to Buster only for coming on again the show.
Speaker 3: He is so kind with his time, and I don't
Speaker 3: know for any of you listening here live on YouTube.
Speaker 3: He saw a couple of cuts at the beginning. That's
Speaker 3: because he's fielding calls during the interview. He had to
Speaker 3: pop out for a second just to get another call
Speaker 3: because the rumors are swirling, and I think the biggest
Speaker 3: rumor fink that he just dropped is is it a
Speaker 3: rumor if he says it right? What he said was
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty shot that Hunter Green gets traded. And
Speaker 3: we had an inkling that this might be a possibility
Speaker 3: because Ken Rosenthal put out a report earlier saying that
Speaker 3: the Reds were getting significant interest for Hunter Green, so
Speaker 3: we thought maybe we should we should start kicking the
Speaker 3: tires on a potential Hunter Green trade. But then he
Speaker 3: just said fifty to fifty. So now I feel like
Speaker 3: it's fair to actually do some Hunter Green mock trades.
Speaker 3: And you are a mock trades guy, what do you got?
Speaker 4: This is a really hard player to kind of gauge
Speaker 4: value on because he hasn't been healthy this season, there
Speaker 4: is significant injury risk moving forward. Still, you have a
Speaker 4: guy with this type of an arm, and you know
Speaker 4: you have to factor that into some level. He does
Speaker 4: have control, right, Buster said it on the show two
Speaker 4: years that he's under contract after this season. You still
Speaker 4: have a twenty one million dollar option in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: nine with a two million dollar buyout. So it's a
Speaker 4: really tough one. Because I would say stuff wise, outside
Speaker 4: of School Bowl, there couldn't be a more electric arm
Speaker 4: on the market. The risk, the contract, I don't know,
Speaker 4: Like I still haven't properly figured out where I would
Speaker 4: slot him into our trade value list, because we've done it.
Speaker 4: We've ranked fifty players based on trade value. Here's a
Speaker 4: couple mocks that that makes some sense. First of all,
Speaker 4: if the Dodgers strike out on Schoolble or not even
Speaker 4: strike out, maybe they decide, you know what, we would
Speaker 4: rather take a chance. So injured starting pitchers are a specialty.
Speaker 4: We'll get a Hunter Green right for the postseason a
Speaker 4: couple times over the next three years and make it
Speaker 4: worth it if they throw that Zayre Hope, River Ryan
Speaker 4: package the Red's way, if you just put that on
Speaker 4: the table, it's it's as good of a package you're
Speaker 4: gonna find. So it's like that alone, you're talking about
Speaker 4: two guys who are like right around forty in our
Speaker 4: top one hundred right now, Like that starts a conversation.
Speaker 4: So it's like, if you're the Dodgers, what would you
Speaker 4: prefer one year of schoolbul or Hunter Green?
Speaker 3: Like with all this control, So I'll butt in for
Speaker 3: a second I think they'd rather have Schooble just because,
Speaker 3: like Buster said, they want to go back to back
Speaker 3: to back and be the first team to three peat
Speaker 3: since those late nineties Yankees. And I feel like Hunter
Speaker 3: Green is he's not a project because it's Hunter freaking Green,
Speaker 3: but it's hard not to look at his seven six
Speaker 3: er and really say that he's still coming back from
Speaker 3: an injury. But I feel like Terrek Scooble, at least
Speaker 3: we saw him yesterday dominate. I know the Tigers ended
Speaker 3: up losing, but that was because of the bullpen that
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with Terrek Scouble. He has looked
Speaker 3: utterly dominant himself over his last few starts, so he's
Speaker 3: ready to rock, and I feel like that's more important
Speaker 3: for the Dodgers considering they also have starters returning from injury.
Speaker 3: We've heard all the time about Shoho Tani and the knee,
Speaker 3: but how about Glass, Noow and Snell that still sit
Speaker 3: on the il. So I feel like if they were
Speaker 3: to add and swing big for a starter, it's got
Speaker 3: to be Schooble, even though I totally understand why you
Speaker 3: threw them in this bucket because they have the farm
Speaker 3: system to do it, and they have the need in
Speaker 3: their rotation. Who are some other teams you think could
Speaker 3: be involved?
Speaker 4: One more quick note on that. I guess the scenario
Speaker 4: that could unfold is, let's just say the Rays of
Speaker 4: the Birds. I have the farm system to get anyone.
Speaker 4: If one of those teams goes all in for school
Speaker 4: Ball and get Schoolble and there's still time left, then
Speaker 4: that's maybe where you see, you know, the Dodgers shifting
Speaker 4: that package over to the Reds for Green. Now, a
Speaker 4: couple of the teams, the Braves are really interesting, and
Speaker 4: I have my resident Braves expert in Dylan Short that
Speaker 4: whenever there's a mock trainer to say, hey, who would
Speaker 4: you deal? And this is what he said me. He
Speaker 4: said one of Walter Ritchie Or Murphy cam Kimminetti, Alex
Speaker 4: Lodiz and Owen Carry. So that was his package. That's
Speaker 4: so much he was willing to put on the table.
Speaker 4: And that's a lot. Said enough. You don't think it's enough.
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair deal. I think you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to overpay to get Hunter Green. And I think
Speaker 3: what Dylan said this is what is fair, which I agree.
Speaker 3: But if the Reds were to move their top asset,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to overpay, and that's not an overpay.
Speaker 4: That's fair, I guess. I just I think this is
Speaker 4: where Hunter Green's interesting because it's not just a slam
Speaker 4: dunk that he's going to be awesome for the next
Speaker 4: two and a half years and that's going to be
Speaker 4: a good contract like this was. If Hunter Green had
Speaker 4: two and a half years of control and arbitration and
Speaker 4: he wasn't making what he's making, I think that it
Speaker 4: would be more obvious like that you could get the
Speaker 4: two top one hundred prospects plus more on top. Like
Speaker 4: I think that that would be a little bit of
Speaker 4: an easier trade to make. That's a tough trade to make.
Speaker 4: You for the bravese to give up, to give up
Speaker 4: more than all of what we just talked about there.
Speaker 3: And the Rays and Brewers are fascinating, But you have
Speaker 3: a trade for Tampa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for Tampa. I just thought, I mean, look, you
Speaker 4: can mix some match however you want. If the Red
Speaker 4: said you want to controllable starting pitchers, you could go
Speaker 4: Hopkins and Michael Ferrett or Ty Johnson, the guys that
Speaker 4: are in Triple A. If you want to go multiple
Speaker 4: bests they can do that. The package I put was
Speaker 4: again Bowdeye Hopkins and Tayton Gray. That's like, arguably, I
Speaker 4: think if Titan Gray's not on the top one hundred yet,
Speaker 4: or he might be, but he is already, so yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, and Bodad's not on the top of one hundred,
Speaker 4: but he very well could be on an update. So
Speaker 4: that's that's pretty much like three top one hundred talents
Speaker 4: one hundred greens. So that's where the Rays still have
Speaker 4: the farm system to kind of overwhelm where it's really
Speaker 4: from doing all these mock trades. I think the simplest
Speaker 4: thing that I can say is the Brewers and the
Speaker 4: Rays are two teams that have all of the capital
Speaker 4: in the world right now that we don't typically see
Speaker 4: aggressively by and I just wonder if they're going to
Speaker 4: push the chips in who that player that they seek is,
Speaker 4: whether one of them lands schooable, whether they try to
Speaker 4: get in on one of these short steps that might
Speaker 4: be out there, might not be out there, whether it's
Speaker 4: a hunter green trade. Like, they have the capital to
Speaker 4: do anything, and I just wonder if they're going to
Speaker 4: swing for the fences or we're going to see like
Speaker 4: like Clay Holmes go to one, Freddy prawl to go
Speaker 4: to the other one, and they just kind of make
Speaker 4: those typical moves that we've seen from these teams.
Speaker 3: I want to give you two more teams to think about,
Speaker 3: and number one is the Chicago White Sox, And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, if Hunter Green was on the table,
Speaker 3: that's when they could be pushed to trade away a
Speaker 3: Caleb Bonnamer. Who's their top prospect. I mean maybe Rock
Speaker 3: Schilawski is their top prospect now, but with Vargas playing third,
Speaker 3: with Colson Montgomery playing shortstop, with Rock Scholawski coming up soon,
Speaker 3: Bonamer could be a guy who is a phenomenal prospect.
Speaker 3: And you would need a lot more than Bonamer. But
Speaker 3: they have a pretty solid system. I feel like they
Speaker 3: could put something together for Hunter Green. They're in need
Speaker 3: of a starter, but you also have years of control
Speaker 3: with Hunter Green, which helps. Again, their timeline is they
Speaker 3: get better and better as their guys just continue to
Speaker 3: age and they bring up more prospects. So that's one team.
Speaker 3: The other team, obviously is the Milwaukee Brewers, but I
Speaker 3: just don't know if there's going to be an Indivision
Speaker 3: trade and the wild card team, and it just spawned
Speaker 3: in my brain. What about a Mason Miller for a
Speaker 3: Hunter Green swap? And here's my thinking. All right, the
Speaker 3: Reds they have a lot of good starting pitchers, and
Speaker 3: they have good young starting pitchers coming up the pipeline too.
Speaker 3: What if the Reds always needed for what feels like
Speaker 3: a long time, and I, like Amelia Pegot, he ain't Miller,
Speaker 3: nobody's Miller. He ain't Miller. So you shut the game
Speaker 3: down at eight innings for the next three and a
Speaker 3: half seasons, and the Padres take the big swing with
Speaker 3: Aj Preller on Hunter Green. And now you might say, well,
Speaker 3: Hunter Green is more valuable asset than Mason Miller.
Speaker 6: He might be.
Speaker 3: Miller does come with an extra year of control, and
Speaker 3: he's a lot cheaper. Yeah, I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 3: perfect deal, but I think the bones are there.
Speaker 4: So that one's so interesting because I do think that
Speaker 4: Miller has more trade value, as crazy as that is
Speaker 4: to say. And the reason I think that is because,
Speaker 4: like you mentioned, for one, the contract difference. Although I
Speaker 4: will say Mason Miller is going to be getting paid
Speaker 4: through arbitration for sure, he's making four in our one.
Speaker 4: I bet you that jumps to like ten next year,
Speaker 4: maybe fifteen sixteen after that. And I think that Mason
Speaker 4: Miller in his final year of ARB is going to
Speaker 4: be the first time we see like a reliever through
Speaker 4: arbitration clear in twenty million dollars. So it's that right
Speaker 4: there makes me wonder, like, would the Reds do it?
Speaker 4: I almost think that's like a three teamer where it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, Miller goes to a contender, some prospects go
Speaker 4: back to the Padres on top of Hunter Green, and
Speaker 4: then some more prospects go to the Reds. Like, but
Speaker 4: that's that's a really galaxy brain trade the White Socks.
Speaker 4: I definitely think that's a viable Who is the other
Speaker 4: one that we had in the middle there?
Speaker 3: Just the Brewers because they can do it. I just
Speaker 3: don't know if, again, the Reds are trading their best
Speaker 3: asset in division to a team that needs it. But
Speaker 3: they might just get blown out of the water by
Speaker 3: Milwaukee's prospect hall and just say we have to. It's
Speaker 3: better than anybody else's deal, So I need to throw
Speaker 3: them in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to throw them in there. I think
Speaker 4: for them too, Like I wonder if they would want to,
Speaker 4: like as crazy as it it said, like would they
Speaker 4: want the Hunter Green contract? It's literally like for them,
Speaker 4: that's a big contract. The White Sox one is a
Speaker 4: really good fit. And I actually did text Elijah before
Speaker 4: we required about them, and he loves Bonimer, so he
Speaker 4: said he wouldn't want to trade Bonember for Hunter Green.
Speaker 3: What Elijah, I hope you're listening. What are you talking about, dude?
Speaker 3: I get it, you'll like him a lot. Where's he
Speaker 3: gonna play?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got Montgomery, you got Vargas right now on
Speaker 4: the side of the Enfield, you got rock I look,
Speaker 4: I think that that makes the most sense. Who he mentioned.
Speaker 4: I also think could get the ball rolling if you
Speaker 4: throw a lot on top of it is Billy Carlson
Speaker 4: because it was the tenth overall.
Speaker 3: Pick live but like, not good enough, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: out bid. It's just like say good night, it has
Speaker 3: to beer and or you're not getting Hunter Green. It's
Speaker 3: just it is what it is. He's too good of
Speaker 3: a picture.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: When Hunter Green is on? Hunter Green is a true
Speaker 3: ace in this league?
Speaker 4: True, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: There's like fifteen of them in baseball. Bontamer could be
Speaker 3: a very solid third baseman, Billy Carlson, nice prospect. No, no,
Speaker 3: they laugh you off the phone.
Speaker 4: I hear you, I hear look. I think if the
Speaker 4: White Sox were to make this move, like that's what
Speaker 4: puts you on the map, especially in the American League,
Speaker 4: Like now you're now it feels like, Okay, that's the
Speaker 4: favorite in their division. They're gonna they're gonna win the division,
Speaker 4: and they're they're gonna have a crack at it this year.
Speaker 4: You'll have a crack at a couple more times with
Speaker 4: Hunter Green. So I'm with you on that one. I
Speaker 4: think Bonimer also might be like the best type of
Speaker 4: prospect that the Reds could expect back here. And imagine
Speaker 4: him eventually getting up to a great American small park.
Speaker 4: I mean that that's a fun one. So I think
Speaker 4: the White Sox are a really good fit. I think
Speaker 4: the brains can. The other team that I thought of,
Speaker 4: I just don't think they had the capital do it
Speaker 4: would be the Phillies unless they put Miller on the table.
Speaker 3: I think they would for this because again, he comes
Speaker 3: with the years and a half of control, and I'd
Speaker 3: have to scroll up. First of all, thank you everybody
Speaker 3: leaving so many comments. But oh, this from Reef richardson,
Speaker 3: why are we acting like Green getting paid fifteen million
Speaker 3: years expensive we were tossing forty five year olds that amount.
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. I don't think he's expensive.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great deal. Again, comes with your
Speaker 3: years of control for Philly and you run out a
Speaker 3: postseason rotation of Wheeler, Sanchez, Green and Lozardo that can
Speaker 3: go beat the Dodgers. I don't care Alec Bohm as
Speaker 3: a seventy eight w RC plus that level of pitching,
Speaker 3: it's hard to get better than that.
Speaker 4: A one hundred percent. I agree, they're just to address
Speaker 4: the comment. I agree this is not a bad contract.
Speaker 4: I don't want it to make it seem like That's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. What I'm acknowledging here is when you're
Speaker 4: talking about Hunter Green going to the Brewers, like a
Speaker 4: team like the Brewers thinks about that, and it's not
Speaker 4: just that he's getting the thirty one million dollars over
Speaker 4: the next two years. It's the fact that there's injury risk,
Speaker 4: Like for an offices, think about this stuff. If they're
Speaker 4: gonna trade a prospect like Bontomer for example, they might
Speaker 4: weigh that risk reward and say, you know what, I'd
Speaker 4: rather trade, you know, Billy Carlson for Clay Home straight
Speaker 4: up or whatever it is. Right Like they would just say, yeah,
Speaker 4: Hunter Green's really good, but he's been hurt this year.
Speaker 4: He hasn't pitched that go when he has gotten on
Speaker 4: the mound and moving forward, there is some injury risk
Speaker 4: that if he goes down, you know, I'm now just
Speaker 4: paying this contract. So again, he's an incredible pitcher. I
Speaker 4: think he absolutely would would change things front of these
Speaker 4: contenders if they got him. The Phillies would be a
Speaker 4: lot of fun. But it's just these are the things
Speaker 4: the front office is way that might prevent the Reds
Speaker 4: from getting a return that's good enough for them to
Speaker 4: give up one Hunter Green because they can still win
Speaker 4: next year, Like they don't have to trade hundred Green.
Speaker 4: It's fifty to fifty for a reason. The other fifty
Speaker 4: is that no team puts the price respects on the
Speaker 4: table of the Red say yeah, we're willing to give
Speaker 4: up the upside of having Green and Burns in our
Speaker 4: rotation next season.
Speaker 3: Well, one thing's for sure. We could be in for
Speaker 3: an absolutely loaded MLB trade deadline, and we're gonna be
Speaker 3: live here tomorrow on YouTube one thirty pm Eastern. We're
Speaker 3: gonna do trade deadline predictions. It's kind of our final
Speaker 3: episode of the week again, live here on YouTube one
Speaker 3: thirty pm Eastern, and hopefully you can join again. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be Jack and I are maybe Armine, I'm not
Speaker 3: really sure, but we're gonna be doing it for sure.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'll join us as well. And then on August third,
Speaker 3: we're gonna do a large trade deadline stream, so kind
Speaker 3: of similar to our MLB Draft stream where we come
Speaker 3: on for a couple hours we talked through all the
Speaker 3: moves as the moves come in, you know, all that
Speaker 3: good stuff. And Sunday. Aren't sure if we're going to
Speaker 3: do your typical weekend roundup because I think we'll be
Speaker 3: reviewing a lot of trades. We'll see, but regardless, we
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