WEBVTT - 1151 | MLB Trade Deadline UPDATES with ESPN's Buster Olney + Deadline Mock Trades 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:17.160 God's Times, Sat Lake. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:34.200 Crackers by, We will see you To's the Gunner. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:41.640 Welcome One, hang Out, Welcome to the Just Baseball Show. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.760 It is Thursday, July thirtieth. That's Ryan Finkelstein. I am 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.440 Peter Roppol and Jack mcmullon will join us a little 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.440 bit later because Buster only of ESPN is here to 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.320 break down the latest buzz surrounding the trade deadline. But 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.720 first Think and I are going to go over this 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.240 Angels Rangers trade. Chase Silseth Logan o'hafy is going to 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.479 Texas in exchange for a nineteen year old prospect in 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.560 flow Away. 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You are the managing editor over on 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.360 Just baseball dot com and we have so many great 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.920 articles coming out surrounding the deadline. Can you kind of 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.880 break down what people have already seen and what they 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.200 should expect as we get down to the deadline. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.760 But we have been in the lab myself and Jay, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.639 one of our talented writers who does prospect stuff for us. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.160 We made so many mock trades, couple separate, two hours 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.920 zoom calls, just kicking ideas back and forth. We have 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.480 mock trades out right now on schoogle. I did an 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.320 article today about CJ. Abrams and just the absurd trade value. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.760 He would have if you were to get deut We 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.960 talked about who else we've done, Joe, Ryan Mox we've done. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.080 We're having some articles out there for specific teams who 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.520 are buyers mock trades to a perfect deadline. So just 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.959 browse the site. There's a lot of good stuff right now, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.680 just previewing everything that could unfold hopefully starting this weekend. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.800 Here a lot of mocks, a lot of analysis, but 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.600 we have an actual trade again. Yesterday we saw the 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:18.400 alert the Angels have traded away Logan o'happy, their catcher, 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.480 well kind of, and Chase Silseth, a reliever to the 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.600 Rangers in exchange for nineteen year old prospect in low 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:30.200 Ay and his name I think is Angel Eredondo. So 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.639 sil Seth has a two seven to two ERA across 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.160 what forty plus innings, and Logan o'happy has had a 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.440 terrible season. So I tweeted out, I have no idea 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.360 why the Angels would do this, And I thought to myself, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.120 that was a really dumb tweet because I feel like 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.840 I know why the Angels did it. I just vehemently 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.960 disagree with their reasoning. So I look at this trade 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.440 and I say, that's what you think of Logan o'happy. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.920 Now I get it. Logan o'happy. You pull up the 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.000 Baseball Savant page and it's disgusting. I mean, it looks 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.120 like the ocean everything is blue. This season over two 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.440 hundred and thirty four abs. He's hitting two oh nine, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.760 he's hit four homers, he's got a five sixty six ops. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.479 I understand that this season his value is completely tanked. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.160 Last year was also a negative war season out of him. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.760 But then I think to myself, he's twenty six years old. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.920 You look at spa track and he's making about eight 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.000 hundred thousand dollars this year. He's heading into ARB two 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.120 next year, which is going to be very very low. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.960 This was a salary dump trade that you would expect 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.080 a thirty two year old to be attached, who's got 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.279 no future and is making fifteen million dollars. This is 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.839 Logan o'happy, the twenty six year old catcher that you 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.599 the Angels traded for in exchange for Brandon Marsh. So 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.320 not only did you clearly lose that trade, but on 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:09.320 top of it, you send Chase Silseth, who is one 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:13.279 of eight relievers this season to post an ERA plus 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.560 over one fifty, meaning his era is fifty percent better 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.440 than league average with ten strikeouts per nine. And he's 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.440 also cheap, and he's also twenty six years old in 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.479 exchange for what John Mozelock says could be a top 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.640 ten prospect in the system, but what everyone else says 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.200 is outside everyone's top thirty. So we'll see if he's right. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.880 I'd venture to say that he might be wrong, but 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.360 again i'd love to be wrong. But that's at least 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.360 my take right now. This is John Mozaeylock coming in, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.680 and I don't think with enough time to really evaluate 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.200 what Logan o'hoppy is right. He was hired not that 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.279 long ago and then he just said I feel like 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.080 he looked at a spreadsheet and just said, all right, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.760 this is something that we don't want to pay, so 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.880 we're just gonna get rid of him, when in reality, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.880 I personally would not give up on a twenty six 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.960 year old catcher who two years ago hit twenty home 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.880 runs and was a two win player and was actually 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.799 graded out pretty well defensively. Did he just lose everything 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.000 in two years or when the Angels acquired him pushed 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.640 him up to the bigs too, fast at twenty two 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.840 years old and didn't help him develop. So it's the 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.320 Angel's fault for what happened to Logan o'happy. And then 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.320 this new GM who I feel like didn't put in 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.720 enough time to really realize what kind of asset Logan o' 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.360 hoppy is and then dump him to a division rival. 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.440 I hated this trade. What do you think? 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.080 Yeah, I mean I think, look, when I initially saw it, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.480 I had a similar action to you, and then I 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.520 looked a little goo of Hoppy a little bit closer, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.000 and I kind of understood that side of it to 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.080 a degree. You have two years of control after this season. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.160 That he is an arbitration I'm seeing on fangrasts two 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.880 point six million dollars. But regardless, I can understand to 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.720 a certain extent moving on from Ohapi, I guess like. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.800 I can understand that. But giving up right now. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.920 Well, yeah, I mean it's like I don't think that 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.320 Ohapi helped. I don't think Ohapi is a positive trade 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.240 asset with what he's done the last two years. So 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.440 to water down a legitimate trade asset and sell set 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.960 that doesn't make sense. Like at that point, just cut o'hppy, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.800 like like, that's the part that that's kind of confusing 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.440 about this is it feels like you watered down a 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.600 trade asset by including o'hapi, or the Rangers really wanted him, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.640 but then you would have gotten more of a return. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:49.040 You get one prospect back for two big leaguers. It's 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.760 it's a weird trade. The two trades that we have 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.320 seen so far have both like completely put my mind 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.880 in a pretzel, Like I don't understand what Breslo thought 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.720 when he traded early for me. And at least that 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.600 one is a little more justifiable this one, like it's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.400 hard to see exactly what the AMers are getting unless 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.440 they just love this prospect. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.840 And on top of the two, you're sending him to 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:17.240 a division rival who has needs for a catcher and 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:22.640 a reliever, so you're helping your own division rival out 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.720 in a trade where you've just decided that Logan o'hoppy 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.520 has sunk goods and he might be. He might but 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.920 a lot of people are very quick to just look 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.840 at the Baseball Savant page, post it on their Twitter 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.480 and say this guy is terrible and done and he'll 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.160 never be anything. Have we not learned, ladies and gentlemen, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.320 Have we not learned that guys can bounce back, that 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.760 young players with talent have the ability to maybe have 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:50.760 a change of scenery. 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.079 Well, like it's the other thing too, for him to. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.160 Be the guy he was two years ago when he 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.240 hit twenty home runs and graded as an above average 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.240 defensive catcher. We're acting like that that's impossible, because that's 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.080 what the trade is. That Logan o' hoppies bounce back 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.240 is impossible. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.800 What makes it worse the Rangers optioned him as soon 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.360 as they acquired him. He had three options. Yeah, so 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.240 like you had time to just parko Hoppy and triple 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.280 A for a couple of years and see if you 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.600 can work back to the big leagues as an above 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.839 average bat. Again. So it's like, I don't know what 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.480 the rush was that, Like you had to dump him 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.600 right now and he had not top of mind, actually 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.800 watered down in one of your better trade assets. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.200 And it's not that much money, right you say two 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.400 million on spa track. You know, it gets complicated with 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.440 arbitration and stuff. He's entering ARB two, But my guess 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.520 is in ARB two he's going to make almost nothing. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.400 What Is it going to be a total of five 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.240 million dollars? Is that what they saved? Is that worth 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.560 it for all of Twitter to bag on you like 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.040 those optics, all of it, and then on top of it, 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.280 forget o' hoppy for a second, forget them. Chase Silseth 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.240 is a solid reliever. I understand that the underlying metrics, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.880 like is expected is fifth as exit. All the NERD 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.679 numbers are like a mid threes to high three ZRA, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.120 which tells us that his mid two ZRA is probably 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.000 not going to last. But at the same time, it's 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.560 because his walk rate is just pretty inflated about twelve 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.800 to thirteen percent. He's elite at limiting hard contact thirty 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.200 two percent hard hit rate that's in the ninety third percentile. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.760 He gets a ton of whiffs both in the zone 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.199 and out of the zone because he sits ninety six 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.520 miles an hour with his fastball with a really good 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.520 developing splitter. Now I'm not saying he's an elite reliever, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.560 but I think he's a very solid sixth maybe seventh 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.520 inning guy who will help every big league club, including 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:43.480 the Rangers. And people are calling me dramatic in the comments. Sorry, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.680 I am. This is my real visceral reaction from the 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.840 trade because I didn't understand it for so many reasons. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.960 But probably don't need to keep ranting on a trade 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.360 that probably ends up kind of being nothing. But it 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.400 did piss me off because I just felt it was 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.920 a nothing by a GM who came in and was 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.520 just like, I'm slashing prices. Take them. I'm not even 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.240 gonna worry about it. It's like, all right, we moved 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.720 on from perryman Ossi and we're hoping for better days ahead, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:16.240 and this just felt like one of Perry's really bad moves. 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.680 Well, especially because you had four and a half years 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.880 of control of pil Seth. I mean, like, I this 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.120 is another one. I felt the same way with the 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.200 Red Sox trading earlier, where it's like, did you canvas 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.120 the league first? Like are there some teams that need 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.920 relievers right now? But like we could have beaten that 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.720 package for a reliever with four and a half years control. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.920 So that's the other part of it too, is you know, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.600 it's like, why did you feel like you had to 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.360 make this trade right now? It you know what, and 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.160 maybe maybe mosaalics, right, maybe this prospect they got back 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.760 in two years. We're eating our words and he's a 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.679 real impact guy for them. But I mean, what do 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.240 you hear right now? He like the all I read 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.960 was potential utility infielder one day. So it's not like 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.560 get you netted some incredible prospects. It's it's a weird trade. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.120 It is a weird trade, and we are getting some 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.520 pushback in the comments section from Tyler mcduffee two five 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.320 four eight the trade is overblown. Sil Seth is mid 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.200 and O'HOPI is ass still Seth walks everyone and gives 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.040 up a ton of inherited runners. Sil Seth has four 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.040 years but no options. He's a bad run from a DFA. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.120 I guess I just have to completely disagree with you 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.839 completely two years ago. I don't know, Tyler, if you're 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.120 an Angels fan. Two years ago you were not saying that. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.000 I guess we've just given up a twenty six years old. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.960 We've given up completely. I'm not going to sil Seth 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.800 is mid by what metric, not era, not even his 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.040 underlying era predictors. He does have a walk problem. He's 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.200 not a perfect reliever, but he's twenty six and you 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.319 say it's a risk because he doesn't have any options. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.559 What if I just think he's gonna pitch, well, would dead? 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.800 And why would you even dfa if he does have 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.120 a bad run. He's a twenty six year old converted 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.400 starter with good stuff, so why would you even be 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.839 a fan? So agree to disagree in the comment section. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.600 But with that said, I love talking back and forth 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.800 with our comment section because I know our comments section 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.480 is as smart of a comment section as there is 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.720 for any baseball podcast. Thank you to everybody joining us 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.200 here live on YouTube. The best way to support the 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.080 show smash the like button and subscribe button, and if 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.599 you're listening on audio after the fact, best way to 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.400 support is leaving a five star review. I'm always going 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.880 to read your comments because I respect your opinion. Sometimes 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.600 we just disagree. Now think it's time for your opinion. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.920 You came up with this article or many of our 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.320 other great writers on Just Baseball dot com zach netto 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.880 mock trades. Clearly the Angels are open for business, so 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.960 this one seemed very far fetched to me a few 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.840 days ago. And now there's a possibility that everybody of 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.240 value on the Angels could be on the move. So 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.360 I'm more than happy to entertain some Zachnetto mock trades. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.480 Yeah, you know, Jay I wrote the article, but I 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.319 also had include one of these mock trades in another 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.400 article that we did where we were just breaking down 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.560 kind of it's kind of a one stop shot for 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.160 all the mock trads are putting out there, and so 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.360 for the Netto part of that article, I remember writing 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.440 multiple times like, we don't see twenty five year old 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.760 shortstops with three and a half years of control getting traded, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.320 and so just that idea is kind of crazy. But 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:31.000 if you are trying to restart a whole new rebuild 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.880 here and you're looking at a trade market that doesn't 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.400 have a lot of right handed bats, in particular at 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.640 the shortstop position or just in the infield, zach Netto 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.000 is a guy that absolutely, you know, should get them 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.240 a big haul that would be worth moving them. So 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.120 it's an interesting concept, but I think they can. They 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.600 can definitely do well here. It's just a matter of 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.920 which team ponies up and gives them the best possible return. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.120 I got. I got three mock trades here that are 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.400 in the article that we can go through. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:03.200 Talk to me and I'm excited because with Netto, I 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.240 really don't know what to think about him because you 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.440 look at some of the defensive metrics and they certainly 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:13.800 don't love him, but when I physically watch him, because again, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.160 defensive metrics are sometimes so tough because it's about defensive 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.760 positioning right one year, a guy could be a lot 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.600 better than the other. It's about where you're playing, like 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.160 all this different stuff. I think defensive metrics are some 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.040 of the metrics that I have the toughest time believing 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.160 out of all the data that we have in Major 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.160 League Baseball. I think he's a fine defender, but I 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.640 want to focus on the bat because this guy's striking 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.520 out a ton, striking out a ton thirty percent clip 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.080 and it feels like he's selling out for power and 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.840 he's just trying to get to thirty home runs. But 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.920 at the same time, I wonder if he was on 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.640 a competitive team, would that be his mo where he's 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.240 just selling out for power like that? Because I know 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.200 that he has more in the tank, and that's why 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.040 he's such an intriguing player to try for. If you 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.920 were to go to Boston, if you were to go 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.680 to another team that needs a shortstop in the middle 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.640 of a playoff run. Do we get the best version 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.440 of zach Netto that we've ever seen when already the 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.000 version that has quote unquote problems is still pretty damn good. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.280 So that's why I'm very curious to see hear what 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.000 these mocks are. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.360 Yeah, I will to add on to that. I mean, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.920 the one reason why I could understand the Angels moving 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.280 him is because while zach Netto has been a pretty 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.000 much walking three to three and a half win shortstop 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.280 year and you're at with a WRC plus round one, ten, one, fifteen, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.760 he hasn't gotten to the level of being the thirty 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.440 thirty short stop who's putting up five win season. So 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.880 a team that's trading for him might expect that they 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.560 can get a little bit more and get him to 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.320 that higher ceiling. The thing that you're also getting, though, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.280 is you're getting that floor, which is why I think, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:51.840 you know, for a lot of these teams would be 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.920 a no brainer to try trade for him. The Red 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.200 Sox is the first mock we have, and this one, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.200 I wonder if they can actually pull this up off. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.720 This would be a trade where they would be getting 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.840 zach Netta without giving up one of their top two 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.800 prospects if they wouldn't want to part with, which is 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.320 Franklin Arius, who's I think number three on our top 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.639 one hundred, and then Anthony Anson, who has like a 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.440 one to one three er this year, a pitching prospect 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:19.360 that's just absolutely disgusting. But Tyson Witherspoon's also a very 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.639 good pitching prospect. He would be one of the headliners here. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.160 He was drafted fifteenth overall last season, so you're getting 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.560 a recent first round pick. You're getting Marcella Meyer in 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.080 this deal, who could become your stop gap at shortstop. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.399 You got Marcus Phillips, another pitcher, and Joline Cespitez, so 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.440 a four for one deal. Witherspoon would be the biggest 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.800 piece you're getting back. But Meyer's a plug and play guy, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.960 so I think, uh, that's one that I like, and 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.959 to run through the other packages that we can get 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.719 it to each one you got for the Rays. They 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.280 have an unbelievable farm system. Brody Hopkins top fifty prospect 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.880 in baseball right now, he's the starting pitcher. Caden Bonine 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.040 is tearing the cover off the ball. It's a catching 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.720 prospect who's in double A. Now they got him back 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.119 in the Boz trade and Xavier Isaac, who is I 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:11.280 believe a first base prospect, another really promising bat the Mariners. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.479 Real quick, real quick on Xavier Isaac, former top one 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.840 hundred guy that fell out due to some injuries and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.880 he struggled at the plate. But he's had a better 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.119 season this year, so that's still While he's not a 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.800 top one hundred guy, he is certainly a really solid prospect. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.080 Absolutely. And then the Mariners trade, which we're talking about 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:30.000 Hancock after Neto. That's the swap right there. It's Emerson 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.080 Hancock going to the Angels. They also get Corbyn Dixon 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.720 and out Or Dickerson and outfield prospect in the deal 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.360 as well. But that's that's pretty much a self explanatory 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.840 deal there where the Angels are getting a pitture they 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.120 can sign to their rotation for four and a half seasons, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.640 and the Mariners get Neto. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.439 Yeah, I would say, And also Podcast P gave me 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.320 this to be clear, Xavier Isaac fell off the top 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.880 one hundred due to a brain tumor. I said injury. 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.040 It wasn't exactly sure what it was, but that's you know, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.400 clearly tough, and it's so glad to see him battling 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:08.600 back right there. So I like the fit with all three. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.640 All three makes sense. I'm just gonna cut the Mariners one. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.159 And maybe it's because I believe the Angels won't do 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:22.920 another in division trade for their best asset. I'm hoping 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:29.160 please don't trade zech netto within your division, even though 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.879 I think it's a solid package. I like the Raise 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.719 package the most. Yeah, But I think then what separates 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.879 it is if the Angels say we need Franklinarius, a 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.760 top three prospect in all of baseball, the second best 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.800 shortstop prospect to Hay sus Made and the Milwaukee Brewers, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.639 you take your pick. Arm has even said, if you 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.640 can try to tell me that Franklinarius is the nuber 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.040 one prospect in baseball, Like, I'm not going to argue 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.679 that much with you, Like that's how good of a 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.840 prospect he is. I wonder what the Red Sox would say. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.800 They and the Angels could say, give us Arius and 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.680 one more solid piece, we don't need all the rest 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.040 of the guys in the steal. Do you think the 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.880 Red Sox would go that far because they just tried 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.280 to get the right handed bat. They need a right 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.359 handed bat on the infield, and Curtis mead unfortunately it's 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.199 nothing that you can control. Got hit on the wrist 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.879 and is now going to be out for at least 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.560 what four weeks? Six weeks I think it was. I 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:30.280 think it might have been. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.240 It's either four to six or six to eight, but 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.720 I mean exactly back until September. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.159 At this point, I almost feel like there's they're not desperate, 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.080 but they're a level below desperate. And I don't know 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.199 exactly the right word how to describe that right now, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.080 but they're a level below desperate. Do you think that's 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.879 enough for them to say, all right, take Franklin, Arius, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:50.800 will take Zach Netto. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.040 I think you'd have a better chance prying Anthony Ainsen 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.280 from them because of all the pitching depth that they have, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.560 and so maybe you swap out Witherspoon for Iyans And 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.919 I just I will say in my Abrams article, I 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.440 did put Arius on the table, but I just think 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:11.880 that there while Neto is a better defender at short 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.119 than Abrams, I just think that there's a different level 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.400 with the season that Abrams is having Offensively, I don't 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.159 know if I would do it personally, I don't think 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.359 I would put Arius on the table for Neto. I 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.600 think I try to do everything else but to get 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.280 a deal done. Then again, if you're trying to go 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.399 for it now and your Breslo and you feel like 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.560 your job's in the line a little bit, I think 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.200 we've seen crazier things. And I do think that in 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.480 that instance, you're right, you wouldn't have to go much 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.840 above Arius like Arius and one more prospect maybe gets 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.560 it done, and you're basically giving up on the guy 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:47.920