WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Haunted House Attractions Work 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.520 M Hey everybody, it's me your old friend Josh. And 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.120 for this week's s Y s K SELEC, since we're 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.080 nearing Halloween, I chose a wonderful little episode from two 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.800 thousand and fourteen called How Haunted House Attractions Work full disclosure. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:16.840 I was thinking that this one's going to be boring, 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.919 but to my surprise, it was not. So I hope 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:26.119 you enjoy it as much as I surprisingly did. Welcome 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.360 to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I Heart 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:36.920 Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.240 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.400 and this is Stuff you Should Know. The pre Halloween 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:50.680 Spooktacular week of uh dark content. Although this isn't super dark. No, 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.160 this isn't you know about attractions haunted attractions? Right, I'm dark? 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.160 Although thank I don't want to spoil it, but there 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.960 are some darkness. Now, is it dark or not? It's dark, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.200 but not all of them, just just the really creepy ones. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:09.240 So it's made mid level dark. What a train wreck 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.320 this is. So for those of you who tuned in 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.679 thinking that we're talking about haunted houses, sorry to let 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.280 you down real haunted houses, uh, of which there may 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.760 or may not be a thing. All the skeptics were like, shoot, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.479 this I wanted to ye, this is just about attractions. Yeah, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.200 these things are proven to exist. They are real because 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.679 you can probably if you live near any kind of 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:39.320 major metropolitan area, you can probably find one somewhere in 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.959 your town. I think you can find them almost anywhere. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.479 If you live in a major metropolitan area, that maybe 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.080 one of those really big daddy ones. But chances are 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.040 your small town has some form of haunted attraction, even 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.080 if it's the local uh if it's for charity and 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.320 they're trying to raise money for the local j c's 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.480 and it's uh it up in like a school gymnasium, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:09.440 or there's enthusiasts home haunters, um, and they will they 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.720 basically set up a haunted house in their backyard. Yeah. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.440 There's some documentary about two guys that are I don't 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.240 know if they do haunted houses or just take their 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.760 Halloween um decorating two extremes. Well, I think that's one 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.040 and the same for a home haunter. Yeah, I think 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.040 they're they're competing guys though in the same street that uh, 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.200 someone did a documentary on because they just keep like 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.079 ramping it up and ramping it up, have become obsessed 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.800 without doing one another. But I don't know what's called, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.720 so it just came to me right now. Me either, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.880 But um, you do make a good point how haunted 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.079 houses are everywhere. Apparently in two thousand fourteen, they expect 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.480 they being the American Retail Federation who likes to put 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.799 out statistics and figures about holidays, um, they expect thirty 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.240 three million people to go into haunted houses across the 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.840 United States. Yeah, about four thousand of them of which 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.360 are the pay some money to go in professionally. Uh, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.639 about three in theme parks like you know, like amusement parks. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.960 And then about three thousand of them are the charity 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.600 ones that I spoke of, right, which you'll still pay. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.680 But they they're not They're not going to the fat 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.800 Cat Coke Brothers or whatever. The profits aren't there going 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.519 to you know, your local community organization. Yeah, and those 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.880 are fun, you know, you might get some light scares, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.400 it's not like these, um, the really super scary ones 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.800 where you pay good money to, um, you know, to 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.400 leave your body and wet your pants. Just one more 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:44.160 one more, um, little bit of of data statistics if 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.560 you know mine some numbers talk about roll reverse. Remember 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.520 you used to be static, guy, I know, I got 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.840 so bored it. Um. In two thousand and fourteen, again, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.960 the National Retail Federation expects Americans to spend eighty seven 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.320 dollars per person on Halloween, for a total of seven 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:06.560 point four billion dollars. Yeah, that's right behind Christmas, right 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.839 behind Christmas. People love getting their scare on, they really do. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.360 I don't decorate at all anymore at the house, just 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.600 because I think I've talked about this before. We don't 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.520 have trick or treaters on my area of the street, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.960 so it just seems kind of pointless. Oh yeah, you know, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.160 I mean, what is the point at that point? There 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.520 is no point. Emily thinks we could do it for 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.240 people that drive by during the month of October, like, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.320 you know, to see the house. But I don't know, man, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.479 you gotta you gotta whatever you put up, you gotta 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.440 take down that. And plus it's like you get no 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.960 satisfaction from somebody driving by a sound like they honk 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.200 at your declarations. With little kids coming up and trick 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.279 or treating, there's some sort of payoff, I guess to 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.000 your your effort, right, that's right, scarring them for life. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.920 All right? So, um, let's talk the history of this, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.320 because it turns out that haunted house attractions are relatively new, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.719 but they're probably not as new as trick or treating 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.840 in the United States? Did you know that? Not as new? 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.120 So they predate trick or treating by a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.720 that makes sense. And when we look at um. At first, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.799 when I read some of this history, the ancient history, 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.360 I was like, come on, this is from Fangoria magazine, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.080 by the way, o us. But then when I started 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.320 really getting into us, like you know what, there's actually 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.240 it actually did pave the way for what we see 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:30.520 today in like ancient Egypt. To keep people from grave robbing, Basically, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.520 they would uh make little scary things like trap doors 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.440 and um snakes and creepy insects and things to keep 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.960 people away from robbing their ancestries, their ancestors graves. They 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:47.920 put an old lady in a rocking chair who would 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:54.800 go behold the ravages of age? What's that from the Simpsons? Okay? Uh? 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.200 Greeks and Romans um uh kind of paved the way 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.120 as well. They had um mazes and labyrinths set up 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.440 with monsters and things. Even more than that, even more directly, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:11.400 they started stage effects. Yeah, like fake blood and things 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.560 like that. Yeah, Um, they they And that's where a 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.760 lot of this stuff finds its roots is in early 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.960 stage special effects. Yeah, it was, and it's still his 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.320 theater when you come down to it. It's just like 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.680 an interactive participatory theater, right that you walk through. And 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:33.400 then the the Dark Ages, that Medieval Ages. I think 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.560 the Dark Ages, the Medieval Ages are part of the 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.479 Dark Ages, but they're not one and the same. But 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:44.000 during the Dark Ages, um, the the introduction of well, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.279 the syncretism between Christianity and Paganism that led to the 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:53.080 adoption of Halloween, um kind of saw rise to this, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:57.479 uh basically a scare show. Yeah, these little plays that 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.720 would scare people into meaning pious and remaining on the 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.479 narrow path, right, which is still very big today. It's 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.400 made a huge comeback. Um. But these these scare shows, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.160 if you want to call him that, I'm pretty sure 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.720 that's not what they call them during the Dark Ages, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.920 but they were. They featured plenty of gore and fake 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.800 blood and violence, and Um, so the the the people 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.200 who went to saw see him weren't necessarily going for 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.280 the religious message. They were going to you know, be 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.920 grossed out right and get a kick. Yeah. Uh. During 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.239 the Renaissance, Shakespeare was famous for um incorporating like demons 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.360 and ghosts and monsters in his plays. He loved those. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.920 And in the eighteen hundreds, We've talked about this before, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:45.640 there was a big rise in spiritualists and conjuring sessions 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.800 and mediums and fortune telling and communicating with the dead 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.160 was like a really popular thing during the Victorian era, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.960 so it was debunking it. Yeah, that's true. Um. The 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.920 Victorian era also gave us um the wax museum, Yeah, 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:07.520 which very quickly went from celebrities to include scary stuff too. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.160 So you could walk through a wax museum and while 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.320 the stuff didn't move or jump out at you, you 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.520 would come across like some sort of tableau of you know, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.640 Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde and like kind of a 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.960 room and it was scary and lit oddly, and you 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.680 were meant to The intention was to scare you, even 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.360 though it wasn't. Again, there wasn't an overt scare or startle. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.440 It was something that definitely laid the groundwork for haunted 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.840 houses to come. They were to instill dread in the 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:41.320 hearts of all. Uh. John Pepper invented something, um pretty 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.160 neat in the eighteen hundreds. It was, uh sort of 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.920 set up where here where you use mirrors to appear translucent. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:52.320 If you've ever been to Disney's Haunted Mansion. Um, I 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.520 think Pepper's ghost is what they call. It is still 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.839 a trick they used to. Uh, you know, it's when 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:02.079 you it's like a hologram sort of smoking mirrors. Yeah, 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.280 but using mirrors, right, It's not like the Tuopoc hologram. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.160 Wasn't high tech like that. No, but it still looks 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.040 pretty awesome, that's right. The twentieth century, then, Chuck is 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:18.319 where we really find the progenitors of the modern haunted house. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.120 The dark Rides. And there's this really neat um article 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.480 on Collector's Weekly. You ever read any of their stuff. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.880 They write a lot of really cool long form articles 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.040 about like stuff that's come and gone, like all dads 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.280 and things, And one of them was, um, it's called jeepers, creepers. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.559 Why dark Rides scare the pants off of us. But 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.640 the Collector's Weekly article, it's an interview with the guy 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.400 who collects old dark rides stuff. But dark rides were 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.240 like if you went to some rinky dink amusement park 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.760 or whatever. They couldn't afford to have a roller coaster, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.560 but they could afford a little dark building with the 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.480 walls painted black inside and a little train track or 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.000 maybe a little boat or something that roade you through, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.480 and all of a sudden a skeleton popped out of 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.280 the wall, or you know this, the a strobe light 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.760 went off or something like that. And these were the 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:13.120 direct progenitors of, uh, the Haunted House. Yeah, and between 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.800 that and the traveling freak shows, um, it really, like 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.679 you said, everything was in place, and a couple that 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.959 with the fact that a lot of these houses from 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.360 the eighteen hundreds were starting to crumble and there was, 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.280 you know, narry a neighborhood that didn't have some creepy 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.040 old vacant house. And to keep their kids out, you know, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.240 people would say, parents would say, you know that place, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:35.880 you don't want to go in there, Well, it's all 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.600 on it because you may not come out, which is 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.679 that was an interesting point that I definitely wasn't aware of. Yeah, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.040 but the if you think of the modern conception of 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.920 when you think of a haunted house, what comes to 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.679 mind typically is uh dilapidated old Victorian mansion with a 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.720 story around it. You know, it's never just like, oh yeah, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.800 that was where Mr Johnson, that he was a farmer 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.160 and kind of a good guy, died quietly asleep. No 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.360 reports of his ghost at all. That well, what's probably 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.680 funny is that was the real story. But what you 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.520 heard was that he killed his family and had their 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:13.200 name written on each knife blade. Um, that's what I heard. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:18.720 The first official recorded haunted attraction according to this person 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.280 who wrote this article in Fangoria, Beckham McKendry. He says 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.880 that Orton and Spooner, the Orton and Spooner ghost House 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.600 in the UK uh and the Edwardian Fair in nineteen 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.839 fifteen was the first UH like genuine haunted attraction. Yep, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.720 that was the first ghost house. And in France they 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:43.080 had something called the Grand uh guen All and um 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.200 that was sort of similar, I think, and around the 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.160 same time. So you've got that haunted house, you've got 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.640 the dark houses that are coming up in places like 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.760 Coney Island and stuff like that. And then finally you 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:59.840 have the first big time permanent haunted house as we understand, 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.760 to which you've already mentioned, the Haunted Mansion that that 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.960 was first built in the nineteen sixty nine at Disneyland, 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.120 and apparently it was supposed to go up at Disney 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.240 Oh no, it was so Disneyland, the one in California, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.280 and the one in Disney World that came up in 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.160 the seventies, right, uh, late seventies, early eighties. I'm not sure. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.000 Actually I've been to that one though, if you want 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.400 to know more about that stuff. Though, I think, um, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.440 Stuff you missed in History class did like a whole 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.240 episode on the Haunted Mansion Ride. Oh Holly from Stuff 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.640 You miss in History Class is an absolute Haunted Mansion fanatic, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.480 So I think they have a whole episode on. She 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.800 knows more about it than anyone, more than Walt Disney 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.920 himself knew, I think. But here's a little known fact 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.920 besides what you just said about Holly, she knows more 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.360 about it than Walt Disney. Um. Originally, the the Haunted 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:57.000 Mansion Ride was a walkthrough ride like today's Haunted Houses. Um. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.439 But instead they found that the I guess the people, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.600 the ushers couldn't get people on a pace easily enough 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.520 and so there'd be traffic jams and backups and everything. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.520 So they said, we'll turn it into a dark ride. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.719 That's what they did. Yeah, which we'll get to this later, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.959 but that's a big part of running your own haunted 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.960 houses is the flow. Yeah. Also, the Haunted House and 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.960 the Haunted Mansion in Disney was based on the Winchester 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.120 Mystery House as far as the look. Yeah, they didn't 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.920 want to have some credit old, dilapidated psycho house in 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.880 the middle of their lovely park. So they says, well, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.480 we can make it creepy on the inside, and let's 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.520 just make it like a really lovely Victorian on the outside. Yeah. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.839 And if you haven't listened to that podcast on the 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.080 Winchester Mystery House, I recommend it's pretty neat this one 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.280 of ours. Yeah, yeah, man, that was a good one. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.440 Not the Disney podcast, right. Um, So then you mentioned 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.679 that j C's Chuck and I didn't realize this, but 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:54.439 the idea of a semi permanent so not not located 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.560 in like an amusement park or something like that, but um, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.960 they an annual attract action that just comes up around 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.840 Halloween and then comes down in November. November one. Um, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.200 as far as haunted houses go in the United States 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.360 was created by the j c S, which is the 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.360 United States Junior Chamber, which is like a community organization 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.680 with chapters across the country. And in the seventies, the 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.000 j c's hit upon this idea of well, why don't 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.320 you guys create haunted houses in your town as fundraisers, 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.440 and it just took off like a rocket, and the 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.840 j CS became synonymous in the seventies and eighties and 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.520 up to the nineties with haunted houses. Like if you 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.320 went to a haunted house in your town, it was 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.040 probably put on by the local chapter of the j c's. Yeah, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.320 I remember specifically going to some of those as a kid, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.640 as well as my church would have their own haunted houses, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:54.960 not hell houses, yeah, just vary like kid oriented minor uh, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.400 spooks and goblins. Um, we'll get into hell houses later. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.240 But um, even though I did go to Baptist which 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.520 it wasn't anything like that surprising. Yeah, I mean that 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.400 was before the concept of the hell house. Um. Yeah, 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.360 it was just like we would have like a Halloween carnival, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.080 you know, bob for apples and did that little fishing 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.360 game where you get something clipped to your fishing pole 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:20.840 behind the curtain. It's so funny. Do you remember when 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.880 you were a kid just being like, God, this Halloween 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.360 carnival is really well done. Yeah. Man, if you go 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.800 to one as an adult, you're like, this is really junkie, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.120 Like are these kids really falling for all this stuff? 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.880 And yeah they are. It's wonderful. Yeah. My elementary school 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.680 had a pretty rock and Halloween carnival every year too. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.440 It was one of the highlights of my year. But um, yeah, 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.960 you're right. And now the concept of bobbing for apples, 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.320 there's no way I would put my face in that 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:52.360 disgusting water, you know. Yeah. Um. Anyway, out of the 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.120 j CS in there were a couple of guys from 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.840 a chapter in Bloomington, Illinois named Jim Goulden, Tom Hill 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.560 Gas and they says, you know what, let's just create 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:08.000 our own Haunted House book basically like a yeah, I 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.280 don't know if it was a book. Yeah, I guess 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.840 it was a book, And let's teach people how to 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.120 open these up and sell it. And they distributed about 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.320 twenty copies, and it was they formed the Haunted House 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.320 Company and it was the first real U group of 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.680 outfit to kind of just sell the plan and the 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.400 stuff that you needed, the props right, like details like 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.680 how to do special effects, a starter kit exactly. UM. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.720 And because of the success of the j cs UH 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:41.040 in the seventies and eighties, private companies finally were like, oh, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.360 we can make some cash off of this. Starting in 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.080 the nineties, and so the haunted houses that we think 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.360 of today, the sure profit ones like Another World in 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.320 Atlanta or Thirteenth Story of New Orleans is another big one. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.920 UM that that they came out of the nineties. Do 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.320 you go to those? No interest? Yeah? Do you now? 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.439 Emily and I we still may go. She she has 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.639 a hanker in this year to go to another world 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.479 just because we haven't been to I think we went 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.120 to one in l A that was pretty decent. Um. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.400 I'll go, I guess if she wants to. But it's 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.639 not my favorite thing. I mean, I don't I like 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.160 I like scary movies and stuff. I'm not I don't 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.560 avoid that stuff. I am depressed. Chuck on Twitter the 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.560 other day, I said the best scary movie or the 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.480 best horror movie. I haven't seen go and I have 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:37.080 heard of Vampire Brooklyn, Eddie Murphy, every single every single suggestion, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.960 and there are a bunch of suggestions that everybody shot back. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.879 So I realized I'm really running low on good horror movies. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.360 But there they aren't around much anymore. Like the ones 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.840 that are to me, the ones that are genuinely scary 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.359 are the ones that get into your head. Um, And 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.960 I'll take a fair amount of jump scares, because that's 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.280 a part of it if it's got the tension ratcheted up. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.639 But um, the ones these days, man, just that the 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.359 disgusting torture important thing. I'm just not into that. No, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.360 I'm not either. It's just such an easy, cheap Yeah. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.000 They don't scare me, just repulse me exactly, which is 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.720 a totally different sensation, you know. But that's fine if 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.760 you like to be repulsed in whatever like that's it's 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.120 great for that. But that's not true fear. It's not 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.639 um being scared necessarily, it's different. Yeah, I do have 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.719 a recommendation for you, though. It's called either the Lady 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.840 in Black or Woman in Black, and it's a it 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:37.000 starts a growing up Harry Potter, so it's fairly new. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.440 I think it's that came out in the last couple 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.440 of years. Daniel Ratcliff okay, and he does a great job. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.240 It's almost exclusively just him in the movie Lady and Black. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.879 He does double duty. And there are some like um 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:57.080 like Conjuring esque style like c g I ghost graphics, 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.520 but it's not overdone, and it's not overblown, and it 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:05.120 is genuinely frightening ghost story. Conjuring was okay, it was okay. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.240 This way, I would say this one might be better. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.639 And and that guy is it I don't know if 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.439 it's Tie or t West tis his name. He's a 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:16.560 director that did Um The Innkeepers and oh yeah, that 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.320 was a good one too. Yeah, and then I can't 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:20.639 remember the did he do House of the Devil? Those 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.919 are pretty good because he's a little more old school. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.399 He's not just trying to outgore you or shock you. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.399 It's um. He tries to build genuine suspense. And Dread 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.880 the same guy to both of those movies. Uh not 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.399 the Conjuring, No, No, The Innkeepers and the House of 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.239 the Devil. I think so because both of those were 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.040 good movies. Yeah, they seem totally different though. Yeah, I 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:42.960 may be wrong in that, but Innkeepers that was a 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.840 slow burn that managed to pay off, but it took 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.080 a long time to build. That was a little slow, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.240 Like he didn't even try to start the scares until 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.120 like thirty minutes in. Yeah, you know the lady that's 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.359 in that is uh Kelly McGillis, did you realize that? Yeah, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.080 I didn't know till the end of the movie, it 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.040 said Kelly McGillis was like, Oh, she's got the same 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.200 name as that lady from Top Gun. Yeah, but then 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:11.360 it's really her. She looks so different now. So that's 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:44.240 our Josh and Chuck's for a movie corner. You know, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.360 we should we should have done a Maybe next year 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.280 we'll just do one of those, like a total horror 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.360 movie talk fest. Sounds good. Those are fun. But back 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:59.439 to the more boring subject of haunted house attraction. Um, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.280 the industry is huge, Like you said, there's a lot 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.879 of money to be made and uh no too. Haunted 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.159 houses are going to be alike Sometimes these folks that 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.200 opened them by an old home or something and own 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.640 it and do this every year. Sometimes they rent out 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.360 of space. Uh. The ones I've been to haven't been 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.879 in the actual space. Wasn't some like cool old house 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:24.760 or like a penitentiary or apparently Eastern State Penitentiary is converted. 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:30.200 Yes here and that is a scary, scary place. Just normal. Uh. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:31.840 The only ones I've been to are the ones that 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.480 is it's like it's in a big open like a 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.280 shopping center where there used to be a oh like 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.320 a sales jewelry closed down right, yeah, yeah, the ghost 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:46.280 of capitalism. Um. And then you have themes, some of them. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.200 I think the better haunted houses have themes because when 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.240 you talk about scares, you can be all over the map. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.160 Um from doing something like with a movie theme, where 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.320 you have classic horror movies or serial killers or crazy scientists, 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.199 or like vampires and monsters and ghouls and goblins. Yes, 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.000 those are two very different kind of themes. Apparently, Um, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:11.560 Rob Zombies got his own jam going and called his house. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:17.720 Yeah pretty much. Um it's called Rob Zombies Great American Nightmare. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:19.720 I think it's supposed to be a play on the 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.640 American Dream. But one of the rooms is the John 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.000 Wayne Gayzy Room, and it's like a guy dressed up 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.720 like John Wayne Gacy's Bubbles the clown. I think that 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.520 was the name of his clown, wasn't it. Uh that 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.239 sounds right. Um, just kind of hanging out in like 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.600 a recline or whatever. And this is Chicago, and that's 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.440 where John Wayne Gazy killed his victims, and a lot 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.840 of the victims families are still around, so everybody's up 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.240 in arms and rob zombies like could not care less. 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.200 Thank you for the free press, right exactly, Well, clowns 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.360 are I posted something on our Facebook page a day 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.560 because that new clown and um American horror story. Have 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.520 you seen this clown yet? No, Twisty the clown? Huh. 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.440 The guy that made that show is like just wait, Like, 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.840 I know clowns can be scary, but I have got 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.960 the scariest clown ever. And it's pretty scary, dude. Yeah. Like, 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.360 I'm not bothered by it by things like that much, 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.080 but I saw this clown and I'm not into that show, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:15.840 but I did watch the scenes that that clown was 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.639