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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast, coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 3: Holy smokes. We're joined today by Evan Felker from Turnpike Troubadours. Hello,

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Speaker 3: thank you for coming on. Man, glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you just to start right out. Max here.

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Speaker 3: You know what Max told me before you got here.

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Speaker 3: He liked you before it was cool to like you?

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Speaker 2: Really, when was that you didn't know about this era

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Speaker 2: this time? Yeah, Honest asked me, He's like listening to

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Speaker 2: the Turnpike and I was like, yeah, I did before

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Speaker 2: it was cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw him in twenty eighteen, So I guess

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Speaker 4: you got me beat.

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Speaker 5: There was a window there that we weren't very cool

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Speaker 5: at the beginning, and now I think we're pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, you hold it. You went from cool to

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Speaker 2: uncool to cool again, I think so oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I got what you're saying. Been there, well, thanks for

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Speaker 2: coming out these a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: So so this is a Hunter Spencer, he's a fan,

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Speaker 3: Turnpike fan, doctor Randall, Randall Williams.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't like, doesn't like. He doesn't introduce himself as.

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Speaker 6: I've never Oh, I was gonna say, I've never liked

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Speaker 2: So I'm still waiting for that to happen. And of

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Speaker 2: course Max he's a fan and Joannie is a fan.

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Speaker 2: Fact when we came in, y listened to the new album.

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Speaker 7: Thank You, enjoying all the Hunting lyrics that Yeah dropped

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Speaker 7: in there.

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Speaker 2: Phil can you can? Can you speaking the lyrics? Do

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Speaker 2: you have the thing I sent you? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got it pulled up, I can.

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Speaker 3: So just for a little background, this part of If

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Speaker 3: you want to check your text messages and stuff, you

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Speaker 3: can do all that, but this is a little part

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Speaker 3: of the show where we have to talk about a

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Speaker 3: couple of things unrelated to our special guests, but you

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Speaker 3: just might be of interest to you. Yeah, because some

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Speaker 3: time ago there, some time ago, there was a incident

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Speaker 3: that happened at a river access site here. You know

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Speaker 3: the fish and access with the vault toilet you know, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, outhouse structures. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a high profile news story that happened

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Speaker 3: here where a woman where a dude went down in

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Speaker 3: and so we had the people that rescued him on

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Speaker 7: Evan didn't catch this story, No.

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Speaker 2: No, he does need to them in.

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Speaker 3: So then they became a whole rash of incidences of

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Speaker 3: And then we had a cop right in he rescued

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Speaker 2: Through the hole through the seat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he says, you know what, I was listening

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Speaker 3: he's doing the news as reported in People. So People

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Speaker 3: magazine reports women rescued after trying to retrieve her Apple

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Speaker 2: He played this film. This is amazing.

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Speaker 9: I dropped my watching some public excretion.

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Speaker 10: That's no for me, don't that's good bye.

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Speaker 9: Felicia The Tones of Life and Her Lady Stuck in

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Speaker 9: the can. This is covered in that blue stuff?

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Speaker 2: What's this is for?

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Speaker 11: Really?

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Speaker 2: Her playing?

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Speaker 9: She ain't got a watch, she can't.

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Speaker 7: She's out of her mind.

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Speaker 12: Timing in an our house pit, putting her whole self

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Speaker 9: Her apple products a bunch.

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Speaker 2: That's a branch too. That's good, Bila housing. This guy

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Speaker 2: more popular? I don't know. I feel like he should be, like, like,

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Speaker 2: he should be more famous than weird out. What's this deal?

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Speaker 2: We can't we can't do that without lately saying who

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Speaker 2: He should be way more famous.

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Speaker 3: That'd be a good show, as a show. Not where

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Speaker 3: you don't have a morning show and I have famous

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Speaker 8: It's reads piano news. That's the Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But does it reads like r e E R E

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Speaker 8: His name is read like he's.

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Speaker 3: His name is reads well, read's piano news. If you're

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Speaker 2: He's only thirteen hundred followers. I know, that's all my

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Speaker 2: news from now on. Man, I wonder if he's covering

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Speaker 2: the crisis in Israel. I was wondering what he would

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Speaker 6: He Are they on the same or does he does

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Speaker 2: Everything got to be on the piano well unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know yet because I only found out

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Speaker 2: House with a little chuckle, a little grin on my face.

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Speaker 2: So he really, he really helped me out reads Piano News,

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Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen and other show business news. Phil.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know till I'm going to see Phil's special

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Speaker 3: play this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know.

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Speaker 8: Thank you m the way.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that you can my whole family's going.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's lovely.

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Speaker 3: I was telling you my kids are mistaken and think

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, you're gonna be ruining their night.

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Speaker 14: I just want to get the Halloween play.

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Speaker 3: I'm like the Halloween play. Yeah, my I got tickets.

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Speaker 3: You kissed somebody in this play?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 14: I was telling Karin the other day, I think I've

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Speaker 8: Yeah, huh, that's just as the thing.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Do you know that it made Krinn uncomfortable? Yes?

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Speaker 14: She she kind of covered her eyes. Which can you

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Speaker 2: By when you come over by the mic and walk

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Speaker 11: Happens like watching your brother kiss someone who's number one

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Speaker 11: and then kiss someone who's not their wife, who your friends?

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Speaker 3: Oh so you so your lack of your uncomfortability was

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Speaker 11: Well it was, it was.

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Speaker 9: It was dual.

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Speaker 11: It was more like watching your brother kiss someone passionately.

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Speaker 11: And I was like, oh, also, that's not Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: You're doing it passionately, Phil, No, I'm getting I'm getting uncomfortable.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I wouldn't call that passionately.

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Speaker 2: So but okay, and I gotta ask you something. You

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Speaker 2: No, it's not what you think. It's not what you think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this has to have come up.

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Speaker 14: Well, we my my wife and I met during a

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Speaker 8: She just kind of used to it. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's never she's she never expresses any no,

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Speaker 14: And I don't know, I never it's it's kind of

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Speaker 2: Correct, gotcha?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has been going good or not good, it's

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been having a lot of fun.

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Speaker 14: I haven't watched it, but people seem to enjoy it

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Speaker 3: We recently had David Chang on the show, and David

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Speaker 3: Chang talked a lot about hama.

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Speaker 2: Was he talking about that? Remember how can you remember?

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Speaker 2: Will require uh their their anglers to do this. And

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Speaker 2: it's that you so magice. You catch fish, you right away.

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Speaker 2: Yin Yang fish. Kern, are you familiar?

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Speaker 3: Never see krims only half Chinese, so she doesn't know

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Speaker 2: Video. I didn't even know that was I thought it

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Speaker 8: Yeah, do we want to watch it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how long is it? If Evan

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Speaker 3: I don't know? Okay, So the fishes. The fish is

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Speaker 3: Points out that it's just electrical impulses but still mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: So is it dead or life? It's dead a life fish.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna play the cliff? All right, let's watch it.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to.

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Speaker 7: I want to see it, ready, said go.

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Speaker 2: Okay. He's scaling it with a cleaver, which I respect.

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Speaker 2: It's still still as a carp still alive.

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Speaker 3: Scored it. He's hauling ass wam into a walk.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the astube part.

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Speaker 3: Huh, brings it over. Oh, here's another guy doing Is

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Speaker 3: that the same guy doing it? So he's holding it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, dude, it's moving.

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Speaker 3: That's like a dish. It does not need to exist.

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Speaker 3: Now then he's plating it out at a banquet. One

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's a contest to see who seems like a contest.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, Wow, the fish's mouth has to move

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one minute twenty seven seconds from when he started

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Speaker 3: scaling that fish to when it's gasping fried on a plate.

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Speaker 2: Some fast food. That's good.

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Speaker 3: You should get him on the show more off. He

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Speaker 3: say a frog. This just came out in the Royal Society.

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Speaker 3: This is a scientific article that Hefflefinger sent over. Do

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Speaker 3: we still have that helfe Finger song? I do not

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Speaker 15: Go?

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Speaker 2: Was it like a real fast banjo? I have no clue,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. Want to write a song

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Speaker 2: real quick, like faster than that. This is a different experience,

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Speaker 3: So Hefflefinger sends us over, and these German researchers are

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Speaker 7: Well, there was a few species that that he said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's say there's a female frog and she

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Speaker 2: Back up takes off. I think about that kind of

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Speaker 2: it over. It's not my fault, all right. So Aven,

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Speaker 2: you're from Oklahoma, yes, sir, you know I just got

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Speaker 3: We were up on the Kansas We were up close

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Speaker 2: Very good deer hunting. I just got back. Really yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was from Ponka where I don't want to tell

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about the spots. I'll be curious. You're familiar

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Speaker 5: I live in central Oklahoma now, but yeah, I'm from

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What was uh what came first with you? Music or

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Speaker 5: Outdoor stuff for sure? At what age little as I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was your dad's story? Uh, he's a cowboy.

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Speaker 5: Uh he my grandpa. We moved back down there to

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Speaker 2: Worked at a wirehouse or paper mill. Yes, they do

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Speaker 2: I see, okay, it's a ton of.

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Speaker 5: It's a ton of open country there, like it was

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Speaker 2: Seriously, Yeah, they pulled the cattle of chamber country. Yeah

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Speaker 2: a pig lea's yeah, h yeah, man, I never even

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Speaker 2: heard of a pig lease. Oh, Magie, what's up. Good

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Speaker 2: to see you. Maggie's a fan.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Maggie, thank you for writing the soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: I heard you're going to come in. I heard you're

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Speaker 15: It's pretty sneaky.

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Speaker 2: Or she even get sat down and didn't know she

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Speaker 15: Welcome, mag I've been working on my stealthiness and the

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Speaker 15: elk was let me, Kyrie cab what you missed?

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Speaker 2: Stuff about people getting into the mouth houses to get

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Speaker 3: I didn't even want to get into. And then about

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Speaker 15: I saw that David Chang sent that over.

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Speaker 2: Hun Okay, yeah that's what you miss.

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Speaker 15: We're happy to be here.

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Speaker 7: You wearing one of those first light stormy chromers.

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Speaker 15: I am wearing one of those first light stormy chromers.

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Speaker 7: Jealous.

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Speaker 15: I couldn't help myself. Do you know.

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Speaker 2: Yanni's orange Stormy chromer story. So Yanni had a blaze

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Speaker 2: so long that you tell it, Yanni, what the game

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Speaker 7: Well, you had spent a lot of time sitting on

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Speaker 7: I forgetting.

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Speaker 2: But you were pulling the warden over.

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Speaker 7: Not really, I just I just went by to say hi,

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Speaker 2: Anymore, you know, you're kind of a.

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Speaker 7: Wait stormy chromer is really cool about that twice. It's

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Speaker 6: I've had a couple, not stormy chromers, but orange blaze hats.

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Speaker 6: Bleach you out on my dashboard. It's funny. I've never

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Speaker 6: When I take off my blaze hats and stuff, I

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Speaker 2: Cassie, that hat real quick.

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Speaker 7: I told that story recently twice actually, and both times

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Speaker 2: That's the first light stormy chromer.

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Speaker 15: It's a nice hat.

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Speaker 2: It's way nice. It's pretty cool there, stormy chromer. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 7: People were mad at the Warden was spending time busting

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Speaker 3: More Warden things, Upset that he was talking to a

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh so anyways, from there, mag we went to growing

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Speaker 2: Were you here for the to find out there's such

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Speaker 5: I was not anymore, but at the time, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure everybody's getting it so because

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Speaker 5: It's international paper now. I think they sold it. They

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00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 5: bought it from Derek's way back in the sixties or something.

446
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: So they had these big tracks and they would raise

447
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 2: lob lollie.

448
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, they had pine and then it had you know,

449
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 5: hardwood on it. Okay, they eventually cleared a lot of

450
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 5: but it's a lot of pine trees still.

451
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: And people would run. So they're raising that, but there's

452
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,120
Speaker 2: grass underneath it and peopleould.

453
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 5: Run, run some rough cattle in and then yeah, I

454
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 5: guess they ran hogs. And they're still you know, faral

455
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 5: hogs there now.

456
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 3: But when they ran hogs like that, did they have

457
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: to put out hog? Were they really just running.

458
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: Like loop free?

459
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 5: They were, they were free hogs, but they ate them

460
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 5: and stuff.

461
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: So like these people had for years, had lived on them,

462
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: so they go and mark them.

463
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 5: Each year and like catch them, catch them with dogs

464
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 5: and like it was like working their livestock. Yeah, but

465
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 5: then they got rid of them because they're obviously not

466
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 5: great for.

467
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: For anything.

468
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan, but so tell me more so

469
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: you're old man. He worked did mill work but also

470
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: did cattle work.

471
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 5: And uh, we moved back down there when I was

472
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 5: a kid, and so I mean it was just this

473
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: huge piece of Oklahoma. That's all, you know, the sort

474
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 5: of the Washington Mountains and all that stuff on the

475
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 5: Arkansas border, and a lot of deer and a lot

476
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 5: of squirrel hunting and a few quail and yeah, turkey's

477
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: and anything.

478
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: Quails gone now though there's there's still a few. Are

479
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: you seeing them? It's yeah. And then you're so your

480
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: old man introduced you to but he he didn't. He

481
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: wasn't a musician. No, yeah, but you got did you

482
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: have to? Did you you have an aunt or have

483
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: an uncle that plays?

484
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: He played in some rock and roll bands and stuff,

485
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 5: and h definitely was a was an influenced to pick

486
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 5: up a guitar.

487
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: He's pretty well he was a rock and roll guy. Yeah,

488
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: like a bar like a bar rock and roll guy

489
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: or black cover band guy. Heavily influenced by Nirvana, rock

490
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: and roll like and like yeah, yeah, like pretty neat.

491
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: He's a really neat guy.

492
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 5: He was in the Marines for a really long time

493
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 5: and and then uh, he moved to Seattle and stuff

494
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 5: after the Nirvana stuff was going on, and like there

495
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 5: I think, so yeah, i'd have to ask him, but

496
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 5: I would assume, Oh, does he still way? Yeah, yeah

497
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 5: he still plays. He plays gigs and tolsa and stuff still.

498
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Seriously, yeah, oh how did uh?

499
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 11: Like?

500
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: What was your dad's hunting program? You know? I mean,

501
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: was he like, was he fanatical? He is hunting right now?

502
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: Or he is getting ready the bus season right now?

503
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this.

504
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 7: He's he's down there.

505
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 5: So we know he lives in central oaklhom and he

506
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 5: still travels well and stuff. So he just got off

507
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 5: of a job and I was we're doing a fall

508
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 5: work on instead of cows.

509
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: And he's, man, I want to get horseback. I want

510
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: to go do this stuff.

511
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 5: But after muscle that season, you know, and so like

512
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 5: we did all this stuff and he's down at the

513
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 5: We have an old bus body down the Glover River

514
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: and he's down there camping like where they've been camping

515
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 5: forever you have.

516
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: But what it's an old bus oh literally said bus body.

517
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh okay, yeah, I thought that was I thought

518
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: that was something meant something just like a bluebird got

519
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: you keep it's like you keep it as a camper.

520
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they've been keeping it up for years. So

521
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: you okay, but you have a cattle ranch now, I do,

522
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: But that's not a that's not a property you grew.

523
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 5: Up now now I moved back there. So I went

524
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 5: down to southeast Texas for a while. I had some

525
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: friends down there that farm drives, and there's a lot

526
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 5: of a lot of cowboys and stuff down there, and

527
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: with duck hunted a lot like that's Steel Central and

528
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 5: alligators and you know, it's just this cool part of

529
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: the US. And so I really got heavy into this

530
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 5: heavy like day working cowboy in and learning about that

531
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. And age at what age, like thirty

532
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: five thirty nine?

533
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I just got obsessed with it and

534
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: that's what I like. But you were exposed to it

535
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: when Yeah, I knew a little bit about it all,

536
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, and I've been doing it my whole life,

537
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: but not to a very serious degree. You know. So

538
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: who was the who was the friends you were down

539
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: hanging out with.

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 5: So it's a guy named Justin Jenkins who it's got

541
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 5: an old family farm down there. They raised a lot

542
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 5: of rice and.

543
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: And that's what the ducks around.

544
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, teal blueing teal like crazy. And it was

545
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 5: just like the first time everybody had hung out with

546
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: was like really great at calling in ducks and training dogs,

547
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 5: and you know, it was waterfowl Central and really a.

548
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: Cool place to be. Did you bring your old man

549
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: down there to hunt?

550
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 5: I haven't yet. No, No, it's it's like eight or

551
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 5: nine hours from home. So you know, we haven't hadn't

552
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 5: made it. We've tried to, but we haven't yet.

553
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Old your kids. I have a two year old and

554
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: a one year old. Oh yeah, I'm quite old enough.

555
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 5: Now now my little girl almost she's almost old enough

556
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 5: to go with me dove hunting.

557
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: But huh yeah. So when I was saying down there,

558
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: I mean like down there, like in that state.

559
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: But so you you then got into that and then

560
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: got a ranch. Now you're actually spending.

561
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 5: Doing that the second time that sohen we found out

562
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 5: we're gonna have our second kid, we decided to move

563
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 5: back to Oklahoma because I was a long way from

564
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 5: all of our family and everything.

565
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: And then well so you guys had moved all the

566
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: way to Texas, I got you, know, so when you

567
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: were say you're hanging out down there, you were living there.

568
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: I was living there. Yeah, okay, that's what I was

569
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: asking about the kids and all that. Yeah, hanging that

570
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: kind of hanging out. I got you. So when you

571
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: got into that and went back and started doing your

572
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: own deal, and I'm bad. I'm not good at it.

573
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: It turns out it's hard. Is your objective to make

574
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: money just to have it just because you can have

575
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 2: raise your kids around it?

576
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 5: The second one mostly, but it's got to be somewhat solvent,

577
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: you know, or else just lose a lot of money.

578
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: So what like, what what sort of operation is it?

579
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: It's just a cow calf operation and we run some

580
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: yearlins plant some wheat. But uh huh yeah, just just

581
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: raising calves every year.

582
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: Do you guys do you have to irrigate for wheat?

583
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: We don't know, not yet.

584
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: And then when you do the Kyle kaf deal, you

585
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: but you keep your own Kyle's over the winter and.

586
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: Feed them, yes, yeah, lots of feeding.

587
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: I got a buddy that moved down and to help me,

588
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 5: and he helps me out with the feeding and stuff

589
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: when we're I travel still too.

590
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: So oh, That's what I was curious about. Yeah, so

591
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: he runs runs things for me.

592
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: What's the what's the like? How much your time do

593
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: you spend on that? How much time you spend on music?

594
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 5: So all my time when I'm home is like that

595
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: and the kids, and then when I'm gone, you know, so.

596
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: You write when you're gone. Yeah, if I or I

597
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: set aside time for it. Huh when did you use

598
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: to write? Oh?

599
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: Man, you know that was That's all I did when

600
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: I in my twenties, Like when I was you know,

601
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 5: just hung over later around the house or whatever. I

602
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 5: didn't have bigger aspirations. I wanted to like write songs

603
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: and play music.

604
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Do you remember, Uh? You remember that that John album

605
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: that he had. It was all that live stuff. Mhm nah,

606
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: it's like a big double album he had. It was

607
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: all live stuff. But he's talking about when he went

608
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: once he went to Nashville.

609
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: He s talked about how he'd always written, like you're saying,

610
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: just you know, whenever and he moved and he tells

611
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: his story and he went to Nashville and he had

612
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: an appointment to write a song at ten am.

613
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: On a Monday morning. Yeah, it's just how like strange

614
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: it fell through and be like, okay at ten on Monday,

615
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: write a different approach to the craft. Yeah, I don't

616
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: do that, but like.

617
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 5: I, I take a pretty organic approach to it and

618
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: try to keep inspired ideas like written down and have

619
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 5: some stuff to work off of when I do get

620
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: time to fool with it.

621
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: I was, uh, chrim was showing me this thing, an

622
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: interview you'd done where you were you were talking about

623
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: one of your muses or an influence being at those

624
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: old tunes by Johnny Horton.

625
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jimmy Driftwood stuff, and yeah, but I didn't

626
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: know until I read that.

627
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: I didn't know that John I didn't know that he

628
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: was doing someone else's stuff.

629
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, well nobody, I mean nobody does. But I always

631
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: say that because it's it's kind of neat because he

632
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: wrote like Tennessee stud and like all these other songs too.

633
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: But hey, Phil, can you cue up real quick battle

634
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: in New Orleans just so people know what we're talking about?

635
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a sack. That's why people know what

636
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: we're tom about.

637
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: I had no idea that there's a Johnny Horton is

638
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: playing the music of Jimmy Driftwood.

639
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like just oh it's so nerdy. Phil's got no

640
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: but I love that stuff. Oh, man, did you do

641
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: battle to Greenbrays? I don't know about that one. Hey, hey, hey,

642
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: with the green beer Rays.

643
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: It's always weird because I always thought Doc Watson was

644
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: Tennessee stud.

645
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

646
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 5: He the best version of it, yeh is the one

647
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 5: with vaster clements and him on that yeah on will

648
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: the circle being broken.

649
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: So here's what we're talking about.

650
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 9: See fook. Good little trip along mcclonel Jackson down to

651
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 9: mine in Mississippi.

652
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 10: We took the little bacon and we chok the little beans,

653
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 10: and we caught the bloody British in the town in

654
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 10: New Orleans.

655
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: Don't cold, badass. That's good Bill.

656
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay. I just wanted to give people

657
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: a little taste. I've tried to turn my kids down

658
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: to this stuff. It just doesn't click.

659
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Man. The American brain, you know, is just different now. Man.

660
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to it.

661
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but those story songs always seemed

662
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: really cool to me. I mean I knew it was

663
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 5: like hokey or whatever, and I never got past it.

664
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Well then, because he puts in these kind of like

665
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: like real loocid details, you know, like it winds up

666
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: being like it's a legit story. Yeah, and that's kind

667
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: of his greatest hit. Yeah, but I think can can

668
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: can you see? Did he do? Did he do Battle

669
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: with the Green Bereys?

670
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 9: You don't know?

671
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: So now Phil saying he doesn't know Ballad of the

672
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Green Breys. I don't know, Phil, you're doing great.

673
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 8: Thanks, Randall. It doesn't look like it.

674
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: No, So I don't know if you remember, but you

675
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: you explained this in an interview, But talk about.

676
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 7: Who Garry and Uh Sadler, Barry Sadler and Robin Moore

677
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 7: wrote Ballad.

678
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Of the Green Yeah, but did he perform it?

679
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 7: Oh, now you're asking who performed?

680
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm only just now finding out that he's

681
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: not the writer, the jit that what's his name, Johnny Horton,

682
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: what's Jimmy Driftwood? No, No, I didn't know. Johnny Horton

683
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: didn't write this stuff.

684
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 5: He was kind of like an almost like an Elvis contemporary,

685
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: something like a singer like that that wound up doing

686
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 5: these sort of country songs.

687
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 7: Sergeant Barry Sadler.

688
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: He's saying, saying, I feel like, well, if I had

689
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: some better people who better at internet searches, we'd find

690
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: out if this is true.

691
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Randall figure that computer. Unfortunately, No, I'm good. I'm good.

692
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: So a PC guy, big PC guy.

693
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: Either way, you got influenced by like you kind of

694
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: like the you like that story.

695
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: Like Marty Robbins and I remember that one being a

696
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 5: big one. But that was all sort of the same

697
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: feel the same thing for me, you know, feel the

698
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: same slot.

699
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: And you got into trying to you got into like.

700
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 5: The story, trying to write those kind of things because

701
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 5: it's not easy.

702
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: No, and then you you uh doing dialogue within a song, yes,

703
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: which like well, people will tell you.

704
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people say, don't do dialogue, don't

705
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: quote any correct or bad songwriting.

706
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: Explain how cool it, Explain how dialogue would be in

707
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: a song. I do, like think of one of your

708
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: songs as dialogue in it. How do you how you delivered?

709
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 5: I mean Dan says hell of a shot or something

710
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 5: like that, like in The Bird Hunters. You're just trying

711
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: to sneak it in and change change the narrator quick

712
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: enough so it doesn't sound like an insane person is

713
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: the narrator.

714
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: It's like, and that's it never occurred to me. That's uh,

715
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: that's trick or frowned upon. But then I was trying

716
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: to think of my head, like you don't hear people

717
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: say that often someone They don't quote uh thing that often.

718
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm wondering what some other red flags and songwriting

719
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: are that would have never occurred to me.

720
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you have a list explains why my

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: act has never gone anywhere? There's not like a don't

722
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: do this list. You're keeping your wallet. I need to

723
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: I need one, probably, but no I don't.

724
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 7: There's got to be some famous songs that have dialogue.

725
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet by Mark.

726
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 5: I guess that there is plenty of like duets that

727
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 5: would have dialogue.

728
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: Right ninety nine Problems by.

729
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 8: Jay Z.

730
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: He said that, so just the dialogue.

731
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: But but well he's almost like she said, she said,

732
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: a song that has a.

733
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: He said she He said, he's talking to the officer.

734
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: The I mean, never mind, I think maybe.

735
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: Oh, you know what one for sure? You know what

736
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: the one I'm thinking of that really has a lot

737
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: of it. In one Bourbon, one Scotch, and one beer

738
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: by George Thorogood. There's a very detailed conversation uh that

739
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: occurs between him and his landlady.

740
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: It says like, I ain't got no rent money.

741
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah right, and she says, she says, uh a word

742
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean anything. But I've used it my entire

743
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: life because I've always been I've always liked one bourbon,

744
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: one Scotch and one beer as uh, he says. He

745
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: goes to explain that he does not have his rent

746
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: money and his best I can tell, and George Thurgood

747
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 3: is not one to enunciate its best I can tell.

748
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: She says that don't befront me. Yeah, as long as

749
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: I have my money by next Friday.

750
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: And growing up like I'm not gonn like in high school,

751
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: that was that became so interwoven.

752
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: It was like two words. There's a bunch of words,

753
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: but uh to say like it just doesn't befront me.

754
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: We just use that word and it was the only

755
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: attribution be that it came from third ago. There's another

756
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: like another word that came up as we would play

757
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: a lot of cards, even on the school bus. We

758
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: play cards, and when you're doing poker with wild cards,

759
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: you wind up with you know, you got like trips

760
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: three of a kind, quads four of a kind, but

761
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: once you introduce the wild card, it becomes possible to

762
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 3: get five of a kind and five of a kind.

763
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: I don't know who came up with this was puples,

764
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: So poops would be like five of something? How many

765
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: you got poops? But it don't befront me so anyways,

766
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: it's not as uncommon as some light.

767
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Thing to have dialogue, yeah exactly, But you do like

768
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: you do like the narratives, and the bird Hunter is

769
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: a great narrative song.

770
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I like those kind of kind of songs

771
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 5: that you're trying to flesh out of an actual story

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 5: that's bigger than what the song has to tell.

773
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: Maybe in sort of what you.

774
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 5: Don't that can do more than the time that you

775
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 5: have there, You know, what does that song to tell

776
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: a bigger story or to allude to some things that

777
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 5: might sort of underscore the narrative that's going on. That's because,

778
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: like in a song, you only have a finite amount

779
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: of words that you can say to tell.

780
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: A much larger story. Have you ever conned them up? No?

781
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: But it's not very many.

782
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: No, because you know it's it's shocking. I want to

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: you to continue what you're saying. But coming up in

784
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: the magazine world, you'd be contracted by word count, okay,

785
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: so be like give us eight hundred words on this,

786
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred words on this. If they come in it's

787
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: like three thousand words, and you're like, oh sweet, So

788
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: you'd sign a contract like two bucks a word, and

789
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: then you're kind of waiting and we're thinking like four

790
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: thousand words.

791
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: You're like king, you know.

792
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: But then sometimes you'll have there'll be a song that

793
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: is really moving, you know, and you feel like the

794
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: song unpacks a lot and does a lot, and you

795
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: look at the word kind of be.

796
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: Like, that's some bitch did that like sixty words, which

797
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: is not that much. It'd be interesting to count how

798
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: many words when the record of the Edamin Fitzgerald, Yeah,

799
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: there's a handful in there. Yeah. Well it doesn't have

800
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: a U. It doesn't have a chorus either. Does it

801
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: not have a chorus? I don't believe. So believe it's

802
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: all just verse rolls verse, verse, verse to verse.

803
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: So you're gonna get more word count just because he

804
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: must have been getting a high getting.

805
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: Getting three bucks a word and not giving a chorus

806
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: at all, like no course, oh yeah that song. Yeah,

807
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: you're right, there's no chorus in there.

808
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: But anyway, continue what you're saying about, like how to

809
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: get more done in brief periods of time.

810
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so you have a chorus that is

811
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 5: obviously sort of like underscoring your main idea. But you're

812
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: trying to tell a pretty like a lot of those songs,

813
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: I'm trying to tell a bigger story than I have.

814
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's two or three sentences really that the

815
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 5: verses wound up being. So yeah, that's the that's the

816
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 5: tricky part.

817
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: You know. You remember obviously Norm McDonald, Yes, well Nor

818
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 2: McDonald had a talk show, and it was a running

819
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: gag in Norm McDonald's talk show to ask comedians where

820
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: do you get your ideas? And then the comedian would

821
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: just immediately deflate the interview because it's like a sin

822
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: to say that to somebody.

823
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: So I'm trying not to say where do you get

824
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: your ideas? I'm recognizing that that's a sin, but I'm

825
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: trying to get at that. So I'm trying to offer

826
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: up like, Okay, cal our buddy Callahan is not here.

827
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: He's like the bird Hunters is the greatest. He thinks

828
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: it's better than Country Boy Can Survive and Fred Baer.

829
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: Now, Steve.

830
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 15: Evan, I heard you mentioned in an interview that a

831
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 15: lot of your ideas for songs come from this time

832
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 15: before you had cell phones.

833
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of technology time period when I was like, well,

834
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 5: I didn't get a cell pone until I was like nineteen,

835
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: so so.

836
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: Long you weren't allowed one or just didn't get one.

837
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: I just don't think I got one. I don't know.

838
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: It was another place like we were. We were behind

839
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 5: the times, pretty pretty bad where I grew up. But yeah,

840
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: I liked that, and I still try to like put

841
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 5: everything in that sort of that's a romantic time period

842
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 5: for me or whatever.

843
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh.

844
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, So you mean most of the stuff

845
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: you're doing is based off these interactions and experiences that occurred.

846
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and what would be pre cell phone simpler times? Yeah,

847
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: simpler times.

848
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: So what the burdenars? I'm not going to ask you

849
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: where the idea came from, but you know what I mean.

850
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 5: So there's a Hemingway short story called The Three Day

851
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 5: Blow that part of that comes from, and then parts

852
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 5: of it are from real life, and parts of it

853
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 5: are just the stuff I made up from my experiences.

854
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: But if you get a great deal, like if you

855
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: get a great deal, like you go to Hell and

856
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: I'm going home.

857
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: I would picture that. I would be sitting there and

858
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: I would overhear someone. I'd be like in a parking lot,

859
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: and I'd overhear someone say, you go to Hell, I'm

860
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: going home, And then like that would always live in

861
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: my head, and then I would start adding things.

862
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah, give me a thing

863
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: that's stewing in your head right now. Oh, I don't know.

864
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't do that. You don't have like

865
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: a burning thing stewing in your head right now. I

866
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: tell somebody, they'll steal it. Yeah, but they won't know

867
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: how to fly. Like, listen, if somebody will, if I

868
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: told you, just whisper it.

869
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: Don't you remember our conversation with the Isabel brothers and

870
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 7: uh Luke about how they just get together and then

871
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 7: just churn and churn like a machine pumping the music out.

872
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 7: That's all it takes.

873
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't think one of those. Yeah, if those guys

874
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: get a hold of this stuff, I think I'm gonna

875
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: get a piece of it. I actually got him. I

876
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: actually got him on here right now.

877
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 7: He's like, I imagine that cowboy in is ripe.

878
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's.

879
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: It can be definitely in Southeast Texas, there's a lot

880
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 5: of it's. It's easy to for it to be silly, though,

881
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 5: you know, you got to watch out like trying.

882
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 7: I don't want to sound like that right now. Current

883
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 7: Evans life just constantly giving.

884
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: You Oklahoma does not offer up a lot of ideas

885
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: all the time. No, it's not as man as you think.

886
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: You want me to give you a shipload of ideas

887
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: right now. Sure check this out. This is like you

888
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: don't know if you know Krin's a really good producer.

889
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: I don't doubt it at all. Listen to this.

890
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: So this is like so unfunny I had there's a

891
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: very unfunny thing that happened. I'm gonna give you a

892
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 3: bunch of song ideas in a minute.

893
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 15: Here.

894
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: What state are all these song ideas from the family

895
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: that has all the sayings? Okay, I was trying to

896
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: come up with an old time saying and I'll just

897
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: tell you it's it's so stupid. But I was observing

898
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: if you send your kids out to pick pole beans,

899
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, there'll be how many all of them?

900
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: And they'll come in and I got them all. Then

901
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: you go out and they definitely did not get them all.

902
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: Then you send your visiting friend out and she'll say

903
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: I got them all, and you go and be like,

904
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: she didn't get them all. And I came up with

905
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: this saying. It's an old saying, but I just invented.

906
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: It, and this is taking off like wildfire. A fresh

907
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: set of eyes will always find more beans.

908
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 8: Now.

909
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 3: A guy wrote in that Anna pod Dotton. There's a

910
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: word and atan is a rhetorical device in which a

911
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: thought is intentionally expressed, intentionally expressed incompletely because you know

912
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: that people know the other half. So when someone says

913
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: when in Rome, that is a yeah of a feather.

914
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're you're engaging somebody to fill in blanks. So

915
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 5: they're part of the storytelling.

916
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: What do you say? Different strokes? Those are all this

917
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: is good stuff. So this isn't the ship for your song,

918
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: Phil cut this out.

919
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: If Dan Reid isbel listens, somehow it can't come. They

920
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: can't come to their I P address. A guy's like,

921
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: you're because you're saying, is you know, he's pointing out

922
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: that it's kind of dorky, but a fresh set of eyes.

923
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that works, But it's also just so literal at

924
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: that point. Yeah it is, I guess mighty literal.

925
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 6: Beans like the beans is what makes it sort of

926
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 6: funny to apply it to a fresh situation. But if

927
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 6: you just find a deer that's been out there that

928
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 6: no one's seen, and he just say a fresh set

929
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 6: of eyes, there's nothing really to fill fit in.

930
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: People have written in dozens of variations. More eyes on

931
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: the vine, leaves less behind, more beans you will find

932
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: with the fresh set of eyes. It's these rhymes.

933
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing that so this guy rolling in

934
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: and he goes, I got a lot of old fashioned

935
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: sayings that don't are family invented, and these were the

936
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: songs are lying.

937
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: Let me know if anyone's heard he's before. That's a

938
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: damn thin shingle. Then ain't got two sides, man, a shingle.

939
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: Your shingles on your roof have gotten so thin, so thin,

940
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't even have two sides anymore.

941
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: It's your little red wagon. Sorry, it's your little red wagon.

942
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: You can push it or pull it.

943
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 7: I haven't heard it.

944
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I wear a nine, but a nine and

945
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: a half felt so good. I got a ten.

946
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Well, it's bigger than a butter bean, and you eat

947
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: those one at a time.

948
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 7: I think you.

949
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 8: Started with the better ones.

950
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Junior is fishing in the mud puddle with

951
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: a broomstick, don't call him stupid until you ask how

952
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: many he has caught. I like that one. I could

953
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: picture that being a song. It's kind of a long Yeah,

954
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: none of this is grabbing you. We need to get

955
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: instead of taking, instead of having, instead of having having Pelgram,

956
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: we should have got that. Damn guy read from the

957
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: news he'd have fifteen songs written.

958
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: I fear we might be setting your songwriting back a

959
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 6: few weeks with this.

960
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, he's pretty good. We're gunking up

961
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: the works here. It's like actually counterproductive.

962
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 5: Read got turning out stuff. It takes me a year

963
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 5: to do an album, six years, whatever.

964
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: Do you feel You guys done five albums we have

965
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: and you did an album that wasn't really an album.

966
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did one kind of in a garage and Duran, Oklahoma.

967
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 5: That didn't sound The sound quality was not.

968
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: Because you because you guys were touring but didn't have

969
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: anything to sell.

970
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were playing bars and stuff like right around,

971
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: like really crappy bars in Oklahoma Originals though, Yeah, we

972
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 5: were playing original songs. We were playing like songs off

973
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 5: that record and then whatever else they made us play, and.

974
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: You wanted to have a thing to Selsey made it

975
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: the album, and then later you had to be and

976
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: well not really.

977
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: That album exactly what happened to that? Is that album

978
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: still alter kind of maybe? I don't know, And what

979
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: form was it back then?

980
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 5: It was a c Yeah, it would just not No, it's.

981
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: Not want not really what year was that, five.

982
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 5: Two thousand and five? It could be, I'm not. It

983
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 5: just wasn't like most of the guys that play that

984
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 5: we or all the guys pretty much that we play

985
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: with now, weren't on it, Like Kyle wasn't in the

986
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: band back then, and it was a pretty like young

987
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: iteration of what we are now.

988
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever go back and fix any of

989
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: that stuff up and redo it? Yeah?

990
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 5: We did a few songs off of it on the

991
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: On the Turnpike Troubadour's record we did in California.

992
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: You guys have had. I mean such a long, long,

993
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: long run in years. Yeah, yes, it's crazy.

994
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: But then, uh, you're not worried about putting out an

995
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: album every year.

996
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: No, no pressure to do that.

997
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 5: There really isn't, honestly, I mean it. Uh, for a

998
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: while there we were touring so so much and then

999
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 5: stepped away from all of it for X amount of time,

1000
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 5: and it was still like five years and some change

1001
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: was the longest we've gone putting out a record, you

1002
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 5: know whatever. Two and a half three of it weren't

1003
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: weren't even playing or thinking about playing. Yeah, you know,

1004
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: but no, there's not any pressure.

1005
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: But I do.

1006
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 5: I do like, you know, having having songs, having something

1007
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: to promote, keeping things new, having new songs, you know,

1008
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 5: because without without a record, it's hard to play new

1009
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 5: originals in the shows too.

1010
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: So you become your own cover band. Yeah exactly.

1011
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys broke up for a while. I'll sick

1012
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 3: of talking, Like on a one to ten, how sick

1013
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 3: of are you talking about this?

1014
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 8: Not at all?

1015
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: Whatever? Yeah, I don't. I don't mind talking about it

1016
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: at all.

1017
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 13: You know.

1018
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: Yanni Yanni here texted me this morning and he's like, hey,

1019
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 3: can we talk about drinking on the show.

1020
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said, I imagine so he said, it's

1021
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: quin drinking. Yeah, quitn't drinking. He said, it's a lot

1022
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: in the album. There's a lot in the album.

1023
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 3: What were you thinking about Yanni's Yanni's periodically quits drinking.

1024
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: Really he did a whole year one time?

1025
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: Really?

1026
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 15: M hm?

1027
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 7: Well, I think the older I get, the more and

1028
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 7: more I think about it more and more. And you

1029
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 7: think about, you know, being present for people in your life,

1030
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 7: and if you're on the sauce, even just a little bit,

1031
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 7: you're not one hundred percent there, you know. And I

1032
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 7: see other people close in my life that battle with it, and.

1033
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 5: I see it all the time too, you know, And

1034
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 5: I'm it was the the best thing that ever happened

1035
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 5: to me was getting sober.

1036
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: I've been.

1037
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 5: I'll have four years or so in January, total sober,

1038
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 5: completely sober.

1039
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1040
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Do you even do you drink an a beer? I do.

1041
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: You're not supposed to talk about it, but Heineken zero

1042
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 5: zero is pretty good.

1043
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 7: Why were we I supposed to talk about it?

1044
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1045
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: It's just not a good example. You're not a good

1046
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: role model if you just hold home like a recovered.

1047
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: Like if you're like, if you quit drinking, yeah, it's

1048
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: bad form drink. It's not good form.

1049
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 5: To like if you're helping people quit drinking, to propose

1050
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 5: that slamming some a beers. You know, man, it's just

1051
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 5: not great. Dude, I cannot if you're going to work

1052
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 5: or something.

1053
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: Disagree. I so completely disagree with it.

1054
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 5: Actually has was a cool thing and like it's it's

1055
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 5: nice to be able to drink a beer, like after

1056
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 5: an entire life of you know, that being a sort

1057
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 5: of cornerstone.

1058
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: Of what what people did? You know, you guys all know,

1059
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: and like, man, cool subject. This is so off subject

1060
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: for us. We usually talk about outdoor stuff, but I'd

1061
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: talk about this kind of stuff all day long.

1062
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: There was a time like you had a quote and

1063
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: that in a I think you were in a Rolling

1064
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: Stone profile on you, uh, you know quote like if

1065
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 3: you didn't drink like that, you weren't our kind of people.

1066
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was in for a lot of.

1067
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: Years, I was suspicious of people me too.

1068
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: They made me uncomfortable. And I was joking before you

1069
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: came in. We were joking. I was joking if someone you.

1070
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 7: Know, specially the people that didn't drink.

1071
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like when I was in graduate school, and

1072
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: if someone was, you know, if someone like invited, like

1073
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: some folks you went to school with were getting together

1074
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: to play a board game or watch a movie or something,

1075
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: and you sounded got the sense that they weren't all

1076
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 3: gonna be totally wasted.

1077
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: And he'd be like, I don't know, it sounds uncalled,

1078
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: it sounds awkward.

1079
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was as you couldn't what are we going

1080
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 4: to talk about?

1081
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'd be like I'd either like to be

1082
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: if I if I was out in the mountains or

1083
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: out in the woods, I like that. And if I

1084
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: was in town, I was drinking. Hm, i'd write in

1085
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: the day and I was gonna drink at night. And

1086
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: if not, I've always knew that I was gonna go

1087
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 3: hunting your fishing. If I was hunting your fishing, I didn't.

1088
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: I didn't even like barely had a thirst, barely had

1089
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: a thirst. But I could not be in a social

1090
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: arena without having because it was just so it's just

1091
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: too intimate, you know, I see now. At the time,

1092
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 3: I just thought it was like we were just trying

1093
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: to have fun. It'd just be easier to go laugh

1094
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: about stuff with your buddies. Then it would be to engage,

1095
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, and Yannie, because I don't know if you

1096
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: know Yanni's well he's laughing, and they liked the pullet cork.

1097
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: Really they'll laugh you so Yan he would periodically check

1098
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: to make sure he didn't need to pull a cork.

1099
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: Did a month?

1100
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 7: Still do did a month?

1101
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1102
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 9: Did a month?

1103
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: Did a year? Where are you at now?

1104
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 7: Like, I don't know, five days, like specifically right now?

1105
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, five days.

1106
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: I haven't been drunk since the last time I got

1107
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: drunk was in well.

1108
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 7: No, that's a different story, since I last had a beer.

1109
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: Versus No, what was the last time he got drunk?

1110
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know.

1111
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: I've been drunken years and years months again, you got

1112
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: drunk couple months ago?

1113
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 7: Well, again, that depends on what the definition of that is,

1114
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 7: Like drunk enough to be like I'm not going to drive, Yeah,

1115
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 7: a couple of months ago. Yeah, but that doesn't take much.

1116
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: The last time I got drunk, we were at Shot

1117
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 2: show in Las Vegas and we were out with Kent

1118
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: and Karuf and I remember having like five six vocatonics

1119
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: vaka sodas hung over for forty eight hours.

1120
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: No thank you, and I I never ever again because

1121
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: the thing I say this all the time, the thing

1122
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: that got me, the thing that made me quit drinking,

1123
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 3: and I never like, like I didn't struggle to quit drink.

1124
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: When I have to talk about drinking, I talk about like

1125
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 3: drink drinking. It wound up not being hard because uh,

1126
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: I got too sick of the hangovers. But the thing

1127
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: that happened to me those most impactful was having young kids.

1128
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: And my oldest is thirteen. So I would find that

1129
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: you would, uh, I would find myself.

1130
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: Being annoyed at them in the morning, yeah, because they're

1131
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: up and ready to rock so early. Being hungover it

1132
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: doesn't help that.

1133
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you and so you're kind of like irritated

1134
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: or you'd hear them, you know, you hear them they're up,

1135
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: and you know they're up. You learn how to be

1136
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: a very light sleeper as a parent, and so you'd

1137
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: be like you hear Annoise, you know, and you're like.

1138
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: I just remember thinking like, seriously, you know, more minutes please.

1139
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and catch myself in that annoyance and then having

1140
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: the realization of being like these people did not ask

1141
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: to be born. Yeah, they did not like asked to

1142
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: come live in this house. You did this, you know,

1143
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: you created this scenario.

1144
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: You did this, And if anyone can learn anything from

1145
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: reading Corn McCarthy, once you do something, you should not

1146
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: pretend that you didn't do it. And that little bit

1147
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: of guilt about just not being ready to rock in

1148
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: the morning, it was the thing that like ultimately did

1149
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 2: it and I've gotten to the point now I just don't.

1150
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: But in terms of just a return to the NA

1151
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: beer thing, Yeah, you know, if you're out at an

1152
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: event and people around you are drinking and you just

1153
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: go up and get water or whatever you you're so

1154
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: you're aware, like something in your brain is aware that

1155
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: you're not. Yep.

1156
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: But I have found if you get an NA beer

1157
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: and put really spicy bloody mary mix in it, about

1158
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: it one to four ratio spicy bloody mary mixed one

1159
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: part three parts and a.

1160
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: Beer, you think because there's a burn.

1161
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 3: The spice, there's the fizz of the beer and the

1162
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 3: spice of the thing, and there's a burn in the

1163
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: back of your throat that makes your brain think that

1164
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: you're like social.

1165
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? If I'm doing that,

1166
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: I can look converse. Your brain's starting to tell you

1167
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: everything's gonna be okay. Yeah, you know, it shuts off

1168
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, there I am talking

1169
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: to some guy I don't know, and I'm like, well,

1170
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: actually I was born in Michigan. Ye oh, you're from Tulsa,

1171
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, Bob, you know all that kind of ship

1172
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: and us. There I am talking to some guy I

1173
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: don't know very well.

1174
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 7: It's funny, which you don't like doing, not.

1175
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: A ton I like talking to him. I don't know

1176
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: him heaving. But uh so, I just am surprised about

1177
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: it that that na thing is regarded as not positive.

1178
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 5: It depended on who you were talking to. But it's

1179
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 5: just so close to the line for some people that

1180
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 5: it would be easy to step over it.

1181
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean.

1182
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 5: For there's certain people at certain parts of their sobriety

1183
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 5: that it's not a very strong thing, you know, And

1184
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: so it's good to set a better example.

1185
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: So this is my buddy Jimmy Dorn's bar Radio Bars

1186
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 3: is messing with you that they got this bar shirt on.

1187
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: No, I don't care. You're like, You're like, where exactly

1188
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: is that bar?

1189
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1190
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: I got a plenty of bars. What how old were you?

1191
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: Did you start drinking really young? Yeah, pretty young, like

1192
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: probably fifteen or so. That's how it was.

1193
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't. Yeah, where I grew up, we didn't.

1194
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: There wasn't not that there wasn't drugs were not. Alcohol

1195
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: was the thing. Yeah, pretty much for us too, in

1196
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: high school and stuff. It was like, I'm sure there was.

1197
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, there's probably stuff I didn't know about.

1198
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 3: For the most part. Where I grew up, you had

1199
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: we we would develop in our community. We would develop

1200
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: very serious drinkers by seventeen eighteen years old. We would

1201
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: develop daily drinkers by seventeen eighteen years old. Of the

1202
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: guys I've graduated high school with, there were a number

1203
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 3: that were daily drinkers. Yeah, at that age. And then

1204
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: buddies of my now are like, man, it's just not

1205
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: that it's like it's edibles and stuff now.

1206
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: It's like a lot of weed now. But it's not

1207
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: like that in those rural areas anymore, you know. But

1208
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1209
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 5: Starting young, yeah, everybody drink and drink all day, like drink,

1210
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 5: like it was not uncommon for people that I know

1211
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 5: to drink beer all day and work and stuff like.

1212
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: It's I mean a lot of it.

1213
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 5: I guess it was probably their days off that I

1214
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 5: was around them. You know, probably my days off too,

1215
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 5: But it seems so much like a lot of day drinking.

1216
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: Would you probably not even gotten into music if it

1217
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: wasn't for drinking, nocuse they could go hand in hand, man.

1218
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, Probably not, maybe not.

1219
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't take for anything I've you know,

1220
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do it again, but you know I wouldn't.

1221
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take for it.

1222
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 5: I'm really happy with where I'm at. But yeah, I

1223
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 5: think that partying and stuff like that would have had

1224
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 5: a big impact on me playing.

1225
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I just because you would.

1226
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: Have never gotten you'd never gotten drawn into the you

1227
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't have gotten drawn into the nightlife, like like starting

1228
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: out in music, it's a nightlife.

1229
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 5: And then the nightlife would have been intolerable if you

1230
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: were just a straight, lace sober guy. You know, it's

1231
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 5: not for it's for other people.

1232
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: I don't mean the reference nor McDonald's twice, but Norm

1233
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 2: McDonald has a whole bit about going out to the

1234
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: bars after you quit drinking. Oh yeah, exactly, and.

1235
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 3: Then he like talks about hooking up and how awkward

1236
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 3: it is when you're not drinking. Well, man, I'll be

1237
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: putting on my trousers now. Just how hard it is

1238
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: the goal of life with all your drinker bodies. Did

1239
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: I when you got to where you didn't want to

1240
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: play anymore?

1241
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: What was going on?

1242
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 5: That was kind of so I was kind of trying

1243
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 5: to figure out life in general, and I mean I

1244
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 5: was burnt out on playing. That was all I had

1245
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 5: done from the time I was you know, from the

1246
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 5: time I was twenty four or so, until the time

1247
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: I was about thirty four, for about ten years. I

1248
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 5: mean that's all I thought about all I did and playing,

1249
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 5: not just performing, but just like on the road. Yeah right,

1250
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 5: So okay, so for you, playing is the road? Yeah correct,

1251
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 5: I got you. Yeah, And you know, part of it,

1252
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 5: there was a long sort of romantic period there where

1253
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 5: I rode a lot. I was very creative, you know.

1254
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: I mean alcohol had that effect on me at that

1255
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 5: point in time. And then and then it didn't, you know,

1256
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 5: and we were in the bars four or five nights

1257
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 5: a week and everything just was nuts. And so I thought, well,

1258
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 5: I get off the road. Problem will solve itself. You know,

1259
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 5: I changed my sort of my schedule. Yeah, then I

1260
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 5: can fix that. And plus I wanted to learn there's

1261
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 5: so much more to the life than being in the

1262
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 5: bars playing music and all this sort of base level stuff,

1263
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 5: So you know, I wanted to I went back. I

1264
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 5: went down there, and uh worked for Justin at the

1265
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 5: Rice form in whatever capacity I could. And then we

1266
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 5: started messing more with cattle and building fence and this

1267
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 5: and that.

1268
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: And so when you you.

1269
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: When you walked away and went down, you walked away

1270
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 3: and like literally went down and started working. Yeah, yeah,

1271
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: what was your what was your financial situation though you

1272
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 3: were set or not?

1273
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: Said?

1274
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 5: I was good enough. I didn't have a lot of bills,

1275
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 5: so yeah, I was good enough. I didn't have kids

1276
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 5: at that point in time, and so jesus, Yeah, and.

1277
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: You guys like deleted all your social media stuff and everything.

1278
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. I wasn't part of that

1279
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: you did. Yeah, So and then what happened down there.

1280
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 5: Then I realized that I wasn't drinking too much because

1281
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 5: I was on the road. I was drinking too much

1282
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 5: because you're drinking because I was an alcoholic.

1283
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: Oddly enough, God, Yeah, so it wasn't the bars after all.

1284
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 5: No, they certainly had their hand in it, but it

1285
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 5: was time to make another big change. And so so

1286
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 5: once I realized that I couldn't, you know, control that

1287
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 5: I went to. I had a buddy of mine, like

1288
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 5: a somebody that I look up to, a BRONC rider guy.

1289
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 5: And he was the first person that I'd ever known

1290
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 5: that actually went to like any kind of treatment and

1291
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 5: had success in that, and like his life just immediately

1292
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 5: got better and he was a happy dude and was

1293
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 5: better at everything that he did. And so he said, hey,

1294
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 5: I got a spot for you, like it's you'll just

1295
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 5: go to this place where I went, And I went

1296
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 5: and did it like a ninety day deal and changed

1297
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 5: my life.

1298
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: And was that ninety day deal just done? Like you

1299
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 2: walk in the door and you're not gonna drink yep, yep.

1300
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: You sit out the parking lot for a minute. No,

1301
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: he's walked right in yep yep. And uh and you

1302
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: stay there, m M, what do you do for ninety days?

1303
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: It's so fun.

1304
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 5: Uh, it's just a lot of classes and learning about

1305
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 5: addiction in general. And uh so they tell you what

1306
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 5: it is. Yeah, and for an kind of halfway analytical

1307
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 5: guy like me.

1308
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: That's what it took.

1309
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 5: You know, that helped me to understand sort of some

1310
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 5: physiology stuff and the understand what habits are and.

1311
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: What's going on. And uh yeah, so it was.

1312
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 5: It was pretty boring, but it's but it's also like

1313
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Speaker 5: you have to rewire your entire being because I'm like

1314
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 5: this maniac who's coming out of the bars and can

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Speaker 5: do ad for ten years, could do anything you wanted

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 5: to at any given time of any day. So I

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 5: have to learn responsibility. And I'm very lucky that I

1318
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Speaker 5: got to do that before I had kids, because now

1319
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 5: I got two little ones and they do annoy.

1320
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Speaker 2: Me in the mornings.

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Speaker 5: But it's but you know, at least I'm not hungover

1322
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 5: and Matt Adham, you know, so it's it's lucky.

1323
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Speaker 3: Are you familiar with that long running show Fresh Air

1324
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: with the host Terry Gross.

1325
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: I'm familiar. Have you ever done that show? I've never

1326
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: done it? Like to.

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Speaker 3: She had a neural she had a neuroscientist on or

1328
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: like a I don't know, does that mean a brain

1329
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 3: scientist Randall? Randall's got a PhD in history, that means

1330
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: a brain doctor?

1331
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Well a neurologyst A doctor would be a neurologist.

1332
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 6: A neuroscientist, I think would be like a researcher.

1333
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Speaker 2: That's what this person was.

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Speaker 3: They studied addictions, and they studied the effects of different

1335
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: chemicals on your brain. And she said that she was

1336
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: talking about the ways that things were what they do

1337
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: in you. And she talked about it like cocaine is

1338
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: has a like a laser intensity what it does, and

1339
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 3: the chemically is doing a very specific thing inside your head, right,

1340
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: like a very precise specific thing cocaine does. And then

1341
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: she said, so it's like a laser burning in there.

1342
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 2: And then.

1343
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 3: We she described it as spilling paint on something. And

1344
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: then she said, alcohol is someone in there with a hammer.

1345
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 2: How it's affecting a lot of a lot of parts.

1346
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the physiology part of it too, you

1347
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 5: know you see, Yeah, it's it's a and it's such

1348
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 5: an ubiquitous thing, like it's just everywhere and and so

1349
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 5: widely accepted that that being addicted to it has its

1350
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 5: own name, Like you're an addict, right, it's just a drug,

1351
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 5: but you're an alcoholic because it's more accepted sure culturally.

1352
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if someone says, someone's a drug addic. I hope

1353
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: you don't shoot me. Yeah, Oh, it's just an alcoholic.

1354
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1355
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 7: It's the world over. You can be in a small

1356
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 7: village in uh South America and guess what someone's brewing

1357
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 7: up some booze.

1358
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1359
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: I was talking to a woman there day we were camping,

1360
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 3: not the other day. I was talking to a woman

1361
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 3: a couple months ago, camping and she had.

1362
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: Done seven years in the Federal penitentiary and h she

1363
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 2: was on the laundry crew. So she was a laundress

1364
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: in prison. And they would get they would they would

1365
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: get fruit juice from the cafeteria and they were able

1366
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 2: to put they'd get these I don't know what they

1367
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 2: were using for containers, but they found out how to

1368
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: put that fruit juice by the dryer event because that

1369
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: dryer is running around the clock and it is real warm.

1370
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: A minute.

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was saying, man, we were able to from that,

1372
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: we were able to make booze into jail behind the dryer.

1373
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like you need some booze, bad dude. Evan,

1374
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: what was your drink of choice back then? I drank beer.

1375
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 5: I drink Mexican beer a lot of the time, but

1376
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 5: for years it was just cheap beer whatever, like keystone

1377
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 5: or whatever.

1378
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 2: Did you uh did you have to relearn how to

1379
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: come up with stuff? Oh?

1380
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything, I had to. I had to learn a

1381
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: lot because like so much, so much of your developmental

1382
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 5: life you were relying on alcohol. You think about drinking

1383
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 5: when from the time you're fifteen on and how much

1384
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 5: you actually developed physically and mentally with that chemical kicking

1385
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 5: around in your body.

1386
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: You know this person I'm talking about, this neuroscientist.

1387
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: Can you hold your thought?

1388
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 7: Yes.

1389
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 3: That's the other thing that really surprised me is when

1390
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 3: you if you start if you start really boozing hard before,

1391
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: if you start boozing before eighteen, your whole mental map

1392
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 3: is different because when you think of little kids, like

1393
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 3: you're still trying to establish not kids at whatever, hell

1394
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 3: high schoolers. Your brain is still trying to establish a baseline,

1395
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: right of all this hormonal activity and like how much

1396
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 3: of this to produce and how much of that to produce?

1397
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: And you're throwing that thing so out of whack at

1398
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 3: a developmental phase that you create an abnormal normal you're

1399
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 3: normal of like what it feels to be run at normal.

1400
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,520
Speaker 2: It's built on that pedestal.

1401
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: And so people if you look at like later you

1402
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: look at alcoholism rates. When you start drinking as a teenager,

1403
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 3: you're creating a much greater likelihood of being a drunk

1404
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 3: later in life because you've set your like you've set

1405
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: yourself up for she was about there are very few

1406
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: You can't find cases of people who don't drink and

1407
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 3: start drinking at forty and become an alcoholic.

1408
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it don't happen. Got you gotta develop it like

1409
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: a fine wine.

1410
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 13: It's a long journey.

1411
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 5: What's funny about that too, is that there was a

1412
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 5: period of time like after I quit drinking that I like,

1413
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 5: there's so much emotional maturity, like you you still develop,

1414
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: it's neat Like, so I spent these sort of very

1415
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 5: formative years in my thirties like learning sort of how

1416
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,440
Speaker 5: to be a man whatever, you know, like be trustworthy

1417
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: and do do these things correctly, and to sort of

1418
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 5: be the guy that you know that I want to

1419
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 5: be now around like those people in Southeast Texas that

1420
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 5: I sort of look up to. But but it was

1421
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 5: certainly you could feel it, like there were a couple

1422
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 5: of years where I felt like I grew up emotionally,

1423
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 5: you know, it became a different.

1424
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: Post became an adult post alcohol. Yeah, it's so strange.

1425
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: So you wait, you raided your trustworthiness and found it

1426
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: to be low.

1427
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 5: Oh sure, yeah, yeah I guess so. I mean I

1428
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 5: was a like now, if I say I'm going to

1429
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 5: do something, I typically unless something falls apart, I do it,

1430
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 5: even if it's hopefully, even if it's something small. But

1431
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: back then I didn't care. You know, when I might

1432
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 5: show up, I might not.

1433
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: What I was sa on earlier about being in grad school,

1434
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: it's like I was in writing school. So this is

1435
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 3: everybody just and everybody read drinkers, you know, like yeah,

1436
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 3: so you know everybody wants everybody's going to be an

1437
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 3: avant guarde writer.

1438
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 9: You know.

1439
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: I was that kind of like a like a high

1440
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 2: end writing program. And so everybody read like Raymond Carver

1441
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: and Charles Bikowski and you know, and all the drug

1442
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: addicts and right, and uh so it's super cool to drink.

1443
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: And you talk about like the trustworthiness. There used to

1444
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: be a running joke.

1445
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 3: Man at at one in the morning in the bar,

1446
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: everybody was going ice fishing in the morning at seven

1447
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 3: when you're supposed to meet at my house crickets except

1448
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 3: for a dude named Ben Block. If you're out there,

1449
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 3: Ben Ben Block would be.

1450
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 5: There him away line, It's like, oh, always do what

1451
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 5: you say you're gonna do drunk. It'll keep teach you

1452
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 5: to keep your mouth shut or whatever.

1453
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 3: This dude Ben, he was a painter and uh, he

1454
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 3: didn't grow up doing any kind of serious outdoor stuff.

1455
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: But I took him out of ice fishing. He was

1456
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: a he's a really good painter, and that took him

1457
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: out of fish and we pulled a big northern up

1458
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: through a hole in the ice and he said it

1459
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: was why it said it was like watching the lake

1460
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: give birth.

1461
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 15: Oh buddy, I like that guy.

1462
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: What uh on? Other eyes are vation?

1463
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 3: Because I want to get back into what it's like

1464
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 3: to write tunes when you gotta do it totally differently.

1465
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: But the thing I miss my wife talks about it too,

1466
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 3: is how funny everything was.

1467
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: Stuff is not funny like that anymore. Yeah, but there

1468
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: is funny stuff like that out there. You just have

1469
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: to pursue it. So it's like, oh, tell me, tell

1470
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: me where to find that.

1471
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 9: I can.

1472
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 5: But you know, like the average stuff is not as fun,

1473
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 5: but it's stuff that you don't need to be doing anyway,

1474
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 5: you know, like sitting around on tailgate bullshitting with people

1475
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 5: that you have know or whatever.

1476
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, like that's a lot funny.

1477
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 5: That's not good necessarily good to come but he and

1478
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 5: not good use of your time, right, But I do

1479
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 5: like like you, you've had some good billy left, like

1480
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 5: on these big like hunting trips that you go on

1481
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 5: with your buddies or whatever.

1482
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not as many. I get it. But so

1483
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 2: when you, uh, how did you get back into writing though?

1484
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 5: I set a deadline and I said I'd do it

1485
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 5: because I knew.

1486
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: Was not your trustworthy anyways. Yeah, I told him, I

1487
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: do it sadly, you said, I pay my bills on time,

1488
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: and uh now I So we.

1489
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 5: Decided we wanted to go back in the studio. We

1490
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 5: played some have we played some shows already Patty before

1491
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 5: we decided to do the record, or we decided to

1492
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 5: do the record before.

1493
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 12: Oh hey sorry this is uh yeah, this Patty, I'm

1494
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 12: Turnpike's manager. We we had set out that we were

1495
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 12: going to we were going to record, but we were

1496
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,799
Speaker 12: going to do some shows before we recorded.

1497
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: Got it and you had to do, like in the

1498
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: beginning of the Blues Brothers movie, you had to get the.

1499
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 2: Band back together. Yeah, it's exactly like that. You had

1500
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: to go around. I found them wherever they were assembled.

1501
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: My crew.

1502
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, we were all ready to We stayed pretty

1503
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 5: close and so we Yeah, we just set some dates

1504
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 5: and I just did what I could and just hammered

1505
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 5: and hammered and hammered at it until something felt good,

1506
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 5: felt like I could be proud of it.

1507
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: Maybe so you had like I gotta I gotta do

1508
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 2: twelve or whatever the hell it is.

1509
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just got as many as I could.

1510
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 5: But I'm in doing that kind of learned how to

1511
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 5: do it again and learned what I like and what

1512
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 5: I'm after.

1513
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 6: Was it something that you missed after a while of

1514
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 6: being away from it, Like it built up that you

1515
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 6: hadn't scratched this this creative itch. I mean, you're obviously

1516
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 6: focused on other things, but like after a certain period

1517
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 6: of time away from it, like you felt like you

1518
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 6: had to go back to it or what was that

1519
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 6: sort of relationship with the craft?

1520
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 5: Like like I think if I'd known it was off

1521
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 5: the table forever, I would have missed it. But No,

1522
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 5: it always felt like I'd come back to it. So

1523
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 5: and there's certain aspects of it that are really really neat,

1524
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 5: like that connection with a big audience like that and

1525
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 5: singing singing together with like that many people at once

1526
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 5: is very very interesting. I mean it's such a Yeah,

1527
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 5: it's such a neat moment to get to have.

1528
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: But you uh does it with that with those kind

1529
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 3: of numbers though it probably loses.

1530
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: Ah, it's not as.

1531
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 3: When when you're with a ton of people, the awkwardness

1532
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: probably goes away because there's nothing super like like if

1533
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 3: we made you sing a song and here, for instance,

1534
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: I'd be very scared, but.

1535
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be one. It's one of thousands of me.

1536
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: Not as much.

1537
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 5: No, it's not as And there are even like situations

1538
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 5: where the you know, the right people in the room

1539
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 5: with ten or fifteen people would be the scariest to do.

1540
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 5: If it's somebody wanted to impress or whatever, you know.

1541
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 2: Like all your musical heroes. Sure like kick us out

1542
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 2: a song Evan about yeah yeah. And when you when

1543
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 2: you went on hiatus, you had done you had done

1544
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: four albums, Yes, you.

1545
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 5: Had something like that for four and then Bosuer City

1546
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 5: I think yeah, first one.

1547
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 3: And then uh, I was reading too that you had,

1548
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 3: Uh when you got back into writing, you'd established like

1549
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 3: a with one of your bandmates. You were sharing writing prompts.

1550
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: Is this the thing?

1551
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 9: Oh?

1552
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 5: That was Jamie Wilson. So she had a book and

1553
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 5: it's really cool. It's called this Isn't that?

1554
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: Rolling Stone Interview?

1555
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, she pro talked about it and we Yeah, so

1556
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 5: it was a series of writing prompts and this and

1557
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 5: that and you just in a book. Yeah, And so

1558
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 5: we both got the book and we were both like

1559
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 5: going through.

1560
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 2: It together, just what we will be an example?

1561
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 5: Oh, man, i'd have to it's been a couple of years,

1562
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 5: but I think one of them was just like rite

1563
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 5: for ten seconds, or not wright for ten seconds, but

1564
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 5: like right for sixty seconds on this subject in whatever

1565
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 5: way you can.

1566
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: And it was just like cyclist and so.

1567
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 8: You d a story.

1568
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: So that's you guys, and that's where we were. That's

1569
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: one example. You know. When I read it, I.

1570
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 3: Took it to be that that you guys would send

1571
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: each other prompts that you'd come up with the.

1572
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: It was like a writing exercise. But that helped you

1573
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: get back into it. Yeah, it did.

1574
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's I want to go back and go back

1575
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 5: through that book.

1576
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: It's pretty neat.

1577
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 3: So where things at? Where things at now? I mean

1578
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 3: are you are you? Do you picture that you want

1579
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 3: to do music for twenty more years? Or I mean

1580
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 3: yeah you do, yeah, but you'll do it as long

1581
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 3: as you can do it.

1582
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it?

1583
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 4: I grew up, you know, listening to my dad's whaling

1584
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 4: records and then by the yeah, I came into the Shooter.

1585
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 4: Yeah era, how much did he? Like was the magic

1586
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 4: in this new LP?

1587
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 5: He's a he's just a really nice guy and like

1588
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: he's one of those people that music is it for him,

1589
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 5: Like he loves it, like he loves he knows every record,

1590
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 5: he knows who produced it, he knows who played on it,

1591
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 5: Like that's his like life, life makes sense.

1592
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,839
Speaker 2: Were about we're talking about Shooter and.

1593
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 5: So having somebody like that that that's just that's that,

1594
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 5: that passionate about it and that well versed and everything.

1595
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: Was it was amazing. How does the relationship like that

1596
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 2: come up?

1597
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: But how did that? How did that come to be?

1598
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: Had you guys always been bodies or.

1599
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 2: Something kind of Yeah?

1600
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 5: We were, we were acquaintances and we, I mean, we

1601
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 5: liked each other, and then the opportunity came up and

1602
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 5: he'd been doing you know, just Tanya Tuckers. Yeah, and

1603
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 5: you could just there's so much stuff just right there,

1604
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 5: Handy that you could listen to and say, hey, this

1605
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 5: is really really great quality. And he got really good

1606
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 5: performances out of these people, Like why why not work

1607
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 5: with him?

1608
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: You know? And uh, what's your like, what's your next

1609
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: project gonna be? I don't know, We'll just do another

1610
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: studio album probably, And now just are you baking on that? Yeah?

1611
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Trying to, but nothing major first of more beating would

1612
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 2: probably wind up in one of.

1613
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 7: Them down here in Oklahoma. Yeah, but I do have

1614
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 7: a question on that you mentioned earlier that, uh, you

1615
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,919
Speaker 7: kind of you'd be wary maybe of like the cowboy

1616
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 7: genre a little bit to be so easy to beat hokey,

1617
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 7: and I feel like throwing in some hunting stuff into

1618
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 7: your tunes could probably have some of those same pitfalls,

1619
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 7: like are you are you mindful that as you're writing.

1620
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 5: It could yeah, you have to be like, yeah, it

1621
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 5: could be. It could come across as silly or like

1622
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 5: I'm forcing something, but like bird hunting, such a thing

1623
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 5: for me, Like it's something something that i've I fell

1624
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 5: in love with, like pretty naturally, and I've I quit.

1625
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 5: So I coon hunted for a long time and I

1626
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 5: got tired of being out late, so I sort of

1627
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 5: just traded that for for a pointer.

1628
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: Did you train your own dogs? Yeah? You ever on

1629
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: in the woods? Running? You a guy named Clay Nukem.

1630
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 2: I don't know you guys? Are you guys are border mates?

1631
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: He was right across in the Arkansas oh really using

1632
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 2: the washtalls. You might have heard his hounds across state line.

1633
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 2: Probably probably.

1634
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 9: I had.

1635
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 5: I have both, and I think I want to say

1636
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 5: I had a red tick dog or two. I never

1637
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 5: had any real good ones ran. We ran a lot

1638
01:23:59,439 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 5: of deer.

1639
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: We were out late a lot, and we also drink

1640
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: a lot of beer. I was out. We're not quite

1641
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 2: sure whose place you round some of the times, probably,

1642
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: but you know most of it was was public, so okay,

1643
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 2: oh yeah, because the warehouse has had a lot of

1644
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: public Okay, I see, yeah, so we had plenty of

1645
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: places to go, but yeah, it was just Now would

1646
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: you ever throw in a coonhound reference? Probably subtle? I have,

1647
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: I did on this record.

1648
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I heard that about the place in the bottoms.

1649
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1650
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 3: We were always raised. We had the shotgun as you

1651
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 3: come from my mom's dad and.

1652
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: My dad.

1653
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 3: So my mom's dad had had it, but my dad

1654
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 3: wound up with it. And he had always told people

1655
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 3: it was Belgium. It was a Browning auto whatever that four.

1656
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 3: I don't think he always told everybody it.

1657
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: Was Belgium made. Yeah, because you guys have you have

1658
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: that reference and uh, when you die he looked up

1659
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: the serial number.

1660
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 11: Was not.

1661
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 2: That's a That's the thing man that I like is uh,

1662
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: it winds up being.

1663
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 3: We're talking to We talked to Luke Combs about this

1664
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: once and he's got a song you know, he talks

1665
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: about like a Johnson outboard.

1666
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 2: Right.

1667
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 3: He'd be like, well, you know, obviously it's not gonna

1668
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 3: be a right, it's not gonna be at not.

1669
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I own I own five Honda four strokes.

1670
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 2: I have four stroke jet which I adore and would

1671
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: like I'd rather give up my kid than my Yeahmaha jet. Right,

1672
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: But you have the right song. I thought it was.

1673
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a weird choice to throwing that it's

1674
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: a Belgium because it's like there's like about two people

1675
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 3: who'd be like, Oh, I get that.

1676
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's.

1677
01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 5: Just I don't know, that's just like a like what

1678
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 5: they'd say, what the guy would say or whatever.

1679
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I know. It's interesting when you have something

1680
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 2: that's like references that are not references that are that

1681
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: have the potential of being missed.

1682
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the thing it like hearkens back to like a

1683
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 4: time period, because like what that'd be something my grandfather

1684
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 4: or father would say.

1685
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 13: You wouldn't hear Belgium may as much now?

1686
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1687
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 6: I feel like there's sometimes when you hear hunting and

1688
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 6: fishing or outdoor references and songs, it's like something that.

1689
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: It's so superficial. It's like a T shirt or a.

1690
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 6: Bumper sticker slogan, and you're like, Oh, does that person

1691
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 6: hunter fish or did someone say add a hunting and

1692
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,480
Speaker 6: fishing line in there? Yeah, talk about a big buck

1693
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 6: or something like that.

1694
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 3: Do you tend to go out of your way to

1695
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 3: put more in or go out your way to take

1696
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 3: them out?

1697
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 2: What's that like? Hunting references?

1698
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 5: I typically write about hunting because I've I write about

1699
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 5: it as like a a background for a transitional thing,

1700
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 5: you know, for a story like it's just happens to

1701
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 5: be what they're doing because it's interesting and things are

1702
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 5: moving around on the album. Now you're talking about going

1703
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 5: to el hunting.

1704
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: With the with the booze and the saddle bags, right, remembering, Yeah,

1705
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: it's just kind of coming to a realization or a

1706
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: couple of an a's and the saddle bags.

1707
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, shake them up though, beer and saddlebags don't go

1708
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 5: where you get together.

1709
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 3: When I was asked about do you find taking them

1710
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 3: out or putting them in? I mean if you get

1711
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: where you got something where it's close to what you want,

1712
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 3: do you sometimes say to yourself, Man, I need to

1713
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 3: lighten up. You know, I'm gonna pull a couple of

1714
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 3: those out. I'm gonna pull some of that hunting fish

1715
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: and stuff out.

1716
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 2: Or do you look and be like I need to

1717
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: put more, I need to get heavier. Yeah, so you

1718
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: catch it. It needs to be a little more like Yeah,

1719
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: it needs to be a little more like clear.

1720
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 5: Well, it's like if what if the story is just

1721
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 5: kind of boring and then I just put it in

1722
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 5: a hunting backdrop and then it's there's more happening so

1723
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 5: it's more interesting.

1724
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, uh, we've talked a lot about you

1725
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 3: know how No Country for Old Men feels like, you know,

1726
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 3: it's like feels like a hunting book for only one reason.

1727
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: When he finds that massacre site, right, he's blood trailing,

1728
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 3: and he completely forgets about the blood trail.

1729
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 2: Yep, there's no reference to it.

1730
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: We actually hunt or Spenser new Heart did a little

1731
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: work on it, and he was almost certainly poaching.

1732
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: There's no way he would have drawn that tag.

1733
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: But either way, it's just like he's like he had

1734
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: to be doing a thing when he finds.

1735
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: The money, you know, and he's like, I'll have him.

1736
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: I guess what would make sense he was hunting, But

1737
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 2: it like burns in your head, like that first scene,

1738
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 2: and then for somehow they could carries with it that

1739
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 2: it's like this thing about hunting and you look at

1740
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: it and you're like, well, no, it's just it's just

1741
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 2: like you said, I needed to have them doing a thing.

1742
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: He blood trails himself.

1743
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 5: Into you know, the thelp, the murder. You know it's

1744
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 5: a or a massacre or whatever. But yeah, it's just

1745
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 5: brilliant stuff and he'd be doing it anyway, or like that.

1746
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 5: Lou Ellen characters. You know he's going to be out

1747
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 5: doing something, stayed away from the house, right, you know

1748
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 5: it's goods.

1749
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 6: This story would have felt very different if you found

1750
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 6: money on the way to work.

1751
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 2: Had a job that he really likes and he worked

1752
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: hard for. So what do you guys got? What's your

1753
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: what's your tour situation? Right now?

1754
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 5: It's we we play quite a bit. I mean, we're

1755
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 5: just staying steady throughout the year.

1756
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 11: Now.

1757
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 2: We some than specific.

1758
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 5: If you, oh, we have a show in Oklahoma in January,

1759
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 5: I think that we are. Yeah, is Bell's playing with

1760
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 5: us and Charles Wesley Godwin not un till January.

1761
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 2: That's in January? Is that? Is that a? Is that

1762
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: part of a big tour or what?

1763
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 15: Oh?

1764
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're playing Florida this weekend. Oh okay, So was that? Man?

1765
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 13: I don't know. You got Knoxville November sixteenth?

1766
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 15: I was.

1767
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 13: And you guys try to fire So you're not going now.

1768
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 13: I'm gonna try to get this meal here.

1769
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 3: So if you see an empty seat out there, that fella.

1770
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 3: So you're not you're not on a like a very

1771
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 3: you're not. You don't have upcoming right now or anything,

1772
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,719
Speaker 3: A very scheduled, like, you know, five night a week.

1773
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,719
Speaker 5: Now it'll be like three nights here, maybe a weekend off.

1774
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 5: It could be four or five knights. But it's all

1775
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 5: pretty haphazard.

1776
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 3: You know, how many will you want to, like if

1777
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 3: in the next calendar year, what would be your guess

1778
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 3: how many shows you'll do?

1779
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. Fifty five of course not.

1780
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 5: It's a lot, though, it's plenty. Yeah, it's cool to

1781
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 5: get to be home every week having little kids like that.

1782
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,879
Speaker 2: Sure. Do you bring your kids out on the road.

1783
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 5: Some sometimes now that we have too, it's been trickier so,

1784
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 5: but not like out on the road like sometimes Stacey

1785
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 5: brings them to Steve or whatever. Yeah, you bring your

1786
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 5: family on the bus. Now we're all we got a

1787
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 5: big crew. And yeah, you'd almost have to have your

1788
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 5: own setup for that.

1789
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 2: Mm hm. The Kren talking about playing something she maybe did,

1790
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I brought a guitar, So you don't

1791
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: mind doing it? No, I don't think so. But it's

1792
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: gonna be all it'll be awkward for you because it's

1793
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 2: so intimate in here. Probably intimate and warm, yeah and warm. Yeah,

1794
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 2: but a lot of them concert halls it is sometimes, Yeah,

1795
01:31:59,000 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: what are you gonna play?

1796
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1797
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 2: I thought I might play bird Hunters. Do that Okay?

1798
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: People like wonderful? Well cal would like it.

1799
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 7: Oh, he's gonna be bummed.

1800
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 3: Well, why don't we set us all up, Phil, Phil's

1801
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 3: probably want to do some little things.

1802
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, Hunter, if we can just get like a mic

1803
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 14: kind of relatively close to his guitar, and then he

1804
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 14: can sing into that one. If we can angle that

1805
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 14: one down. And while we're filling time, here is anyone,

1806
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 14: here's some Killers of the Flower Moon yet.

1807
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: No, But I feel like I feel like I'm just

1808
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 2: getting bombarded by Oklahoma because I was, Yeah.

1809
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 14: I saw it this weekend, and it's funny because Scorsese

1810
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 14: put a bunch of musicians in there, like Isabelle's in there,

1811
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 14: Surgel Simpson, Pete Jordan, like Jason isbel is incredible. If

1812
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 14: he didn't know he wasn't a musician, you'd be like, oh,

1813
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 14: who's this awesome character actor.

1814
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:39,919
Speaker 8: But I was just thinking because.

1815
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 2: He plays one of the victims husbands or something.

1816
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, and he's uh, he's got scenes with Leo and

1817
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 14: he like steals the scene. It's really he's greaty, But

1818
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 14: I was just thinking because Evan would have fit like

1819
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 14: right in there. He's just got that vibe that I

1820
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 14: think Scorsese was looking totally.

1821
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we had the author of that book

1822
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: sitting right where you sit. David Grant was in here,

1823
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,719
Speaker 2: really yeah, he sat right there. Man.

1824
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 15: Charlie Crockett wrote the theme song for it too, but he.

1825
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 3: Was David Grant was here promoting not He wasn't promoting

1826
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: Killers of the Flower Moon.

1827
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 2: He was promoting the wager. Oh man, I don't know

1828
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 2: if this thing's in tune? Is that okay?

1829
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 3: If I wouldn't know, don't you got that app on

1830
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 3: your phone? I thought I was gonna turn you onto

1831
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 3: that app.

1832
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 10: Covey to wing the shotguns, singing the pun Dog down

1833
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 10: the old log and road, and Danny got three and

1834
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 10: look back grinning, fumbled around and tried to reload. The

1835
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 10: country was old, where the sun and west were sinking.

1836
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 10: It's good to be back in.

1837
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:07,520
Speaker 9: This place.

1838
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 10: With my hands around the Belgian may brown and my

1839
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 10: mind on the lines.

1840
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:17,839
Speaker 9: Of her face.

1841
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 10: How good does it feel you belong in these heels.

1842
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 10: It's best that you let it all in. You to

1843
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 10: married that girl, you to married her family. When you

1844
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 10: Dard's day bullet, my friend, she said, go on back

1845
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 10: to chair Key County. Won't you crawl back with nothing

1846
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:58,440
Speaker 10: butter raiser and cone.

1847
01:34:58,880 --> 01:34:59,879
Speaker 9: He's a baby.

1848
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 10: If you need me, I'll be where you foundly.

1849
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 9: And go on the hell honey.

1850
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 10: I'm headed home, dancers. Look at old Jim, a dozen

1851
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 10: decembers behind.

1852
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 9: Him, No worse for the wear.

1853
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 10: Your time spinning Tosa did not help your shooting. Look

1854
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 10: at the gray in your hair. How good does it

1855
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 10: feel you belong in these heels. It's best that you

1856
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 10: let it all in. You to marry that girl, you

1857
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 10: to marry the family who you dodge a bullet? My friend,

1858
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 10: she said, go on back to Chaerkey can. Won't you

1859
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 10: crawl back with nothing but the razor and calm?

1860
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:16,919
Speaker 9: Sad baby?

1861
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 10: If you need me, I'll be where you found me,

1862
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 10: and go on the hell honey, I'm headed home. On

1863
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 10: hours beginning to deal with it in and the old

1864
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 10: dog upon it and card me died. Then a flutter

1865
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 10: of feathers, then a shotgun shoulder. I thought of the

1866
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 10: poor Jesi. She be home on the fourth July, but

1867
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 10: we dance on.

1868
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 9: The fourth July.

1869
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 10: Then says Hella, a shot, looks like you still got it.

1870
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 9: That's what we came here to do.

1871
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 10: Well, it's live enough still at the foot of the hill.

1872
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 10: You could kick up a single orch, she said. Co

1873
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 10: on back to Chairkee County, won't you crawl back with

1874
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 10: nothing but Raizor and Comb says baby.

1875
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 9: If you need me, I'll.

1876
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 10: Be where you found me and go on to hell Honey.

1877
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 9: I'm headed home, and go on to Hell honey. I'm

1878
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 9: heading home.

1879
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 2: All right. Man, beautiful bang got goosebumps, ladies and gentleman

1880
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 2: terrifight troubador. It sounds like you have fifty five opportunities

1881
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: to catch them in the next calendar year at least,

1882
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 2: and lots of albums to choose from. Uh, anywhere you

1883
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: listen to music, go on Spotify and listen to a

1884
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: bunch of you can go on YouTube and listen to

1885
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. You can buy the actual things.

1886
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 2: Come to show and buy CD, come to show and buy,

1887
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: Dig up that old CD from the old days and

1888
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:14,440
Speaker 2: sell it as a collector's item. I've considered it. And

1889
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: of course, uh, you know.

1890
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 3: If you're if you're tuning into your to your FM dial,

1891
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 3: you will likely pick up some tunes as well, but

1892
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: the best thing to do is go check them out

1893
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 3: live over the next over the next year, and throw

1894
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 3: some support.

1895
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for coming on man, I really

1896
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 2: appreciate it. That was great. Thanks a lot